PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Surprise! Eagles GM Howie Roseman escapes again, trades Bryce Huff to 49ers

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Bryce Huff gone! An organic discussion from Thursday’s show spills over into Friday as the Eagles’ hopes of repeating depend on their ability to replace a slew of departed starters, like Josh Sweat, Milton Williams, Darius Slay, Mekhi Becton and C.J. Gardner-Johnson. Which of those players will be the most difficult for the Eagles to replace, with the likes of Drew Mukuba, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Jalyx Hunt, Azeez Ojulari and Moro Ojomo involved, and which position will matter most to the Eagles’ 2025 success? Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf debate it as we head into the weekend. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bryce Huff is headed out of town to the San Francisco 49ers. We're unpacking it all next on the PHLY Eagles podcast. To the PHLY Eagles podcast presented by True Mark Financial, and we've got breaking news on a Friday. Grand Duffy in the middle, Bow Wolf over here. And over there are Eagles Insider, who is going to tell us all about the big trade

that is not being officially swung today, but will be once the calendar turns to June. Yes, the Eagles are working to finalize a deal. That's the terminology that I understand, and to send Bryce Huff to the 49ers for a mid-round pick. This is according to a league source. It was first reported by Adam Schaefter. The trade, as both said, will not go into effect until after June 1st.

Along with that, there are some contract restructuring before the trades made to help facilitate the deal and will actually be financially and, you know, sour cap-wise, beneficial for the Eagles. This is per field Yates from ESPN. The Eagles will save $7.95 million in cash. and create more than $15 million in cap space with a reworked deal. So essentially what they did is they converted a roster bonus into a base salary. Eagles are paying a portion of that base salary as a signing bonus, and then the 49ers will take on the remaining part of the base salary

and the remaining part of the deal. So we talked about how it could be financially prohibitive for the challenge financially for the Eagles to make a move, a restructured contract, facilitate that by doing it post-June 1st. You're able to spread the hit over two years. So the Eagles will open up short-term cap space this year, and then there will be financial cash savings thereafter. We'll get to the ramifications of the football team,

but Bryce Hoff hasn't been present, right? He was not there at practice this week. We discussed on the show the other day about how it seemed likely that there could be a change of scenery if they could find a trade partner post-June 1st would be the time to look and the 49ers coached on defense by Robert Sawa for whom Bryce Huff had his best uh or his most productive years with the Jets it seemed like an ideal match okay a lot of a lot of things to unpack here um let's start with the state of the position now that Bryce off is gone fran you've got obviously

Nolan smith jalex hunt at the top right now you're hoping that Azizzo jolari and Josh Ushay and maybe Antoine Powell Rylid Rylind can mix in there. Maybe Jihad Campbell is a part of that mix. How do you feel about the state of that position as we move forward now? Yeah, certainly some projection. You know, I think when that's just looking at the group, I think when you're looking at Nolan, I think we know what to expect.

He is coming off shoulder surgery. So that's certainly something to monitor as well. But Jalick's Hunt going into year two, is he going to be ready for a huge jump in snaps? I mean, what can you expect from Jalick Hunt, former third round pick? We know that the path that he has taken to this point. ended the season on a high note in the Super Bowl,

but still looked like a developing young player throughout the majority of last season, even as he got an uptick in Snap. So that will be something certainly to monitor as we go through the rest of the summer. You're hoping you can get one of those two vets that they signed on the free agent market, either Aziz O'Jolari or Josh Uche,

to really kind of become a player for them. You know, become an impact role player, potentially even a starter if Hunt is not ready for that expanded time share. So that is something that will be, now I think kind of right in the square, right in our target share now in terms of things to watch as we get into training camp and the pads come on. You mentioned Powell O'Reilly, but also Patrick Johnson, another guy that kind of opens the door maybe for Patrick Johnson. If the two vets that they brought in,

if Houshe and, you know, I know Jolari don't necessarily work out, I wonder if Patrick Johnson, there's another path for him to potentially make this 53. Looking through who else is still on the street, you know, it's the Darius Smith, Matt Judon, Preston Smith level of player, Judevian Clowny is still out there. Do you think that the Eagles are good to go here, Zach, or do you think they will maybe monitor

the veteran ring chasing market? No, I don't think they are good to go here. I said it yesterday. Eddresher is my biggest concern. Yeah, and we'll back to that. Yeah, I am not now. Clearly, I did not expect Bryce Huff to be like a solution at Eddresher,

but it's a roster spot number one. There are, there's money, to allocate to the position now. They have draft picked inventory. So we look at the free agent market. Yeah, you have more of those veteran ring chasers. Like you said, the Eagles have, haven't had as much success in recent years with your Robert Quinn type moves.

Now you're probably looking at it from like the third, the three, four as opposed to like higher up. I mean the third or fourth edge rusher as opposed to higher up. But Nolan Smith, JLX Hunt, Azizzo Jalari. yeah, I think you need more juice there. And it would not be surprised if the Eagles scour the trade market to try to find that option. Okay, let's talk about how the Eagles did here. We can sort of frame the Bryce-off signing as not a good one. You know, they still won the Super Bowl.

That's totally fine. But they paid what, like $26 million for him to do nothing and be an active in the Super Bowl and be gone in one year. but last year in the past, I mean, mid-round pick, we don't know what it is, but I'm actually a little bit pleasantly surprised at the return here. I think they did a great job considering. I would have thought that teams would have tried to wait this out a little bit. Obviously, Robert Sala being in San Francisco, as Zach pointed out, I think that kind of upped the comfort level for John Lynch and the 49ers there.

But to me, to come out of this with the amount of money that the 49ers took on from a salary standpoint, to get the amount of savings that you did. And then also get, I mean, the way that, so we don't know that the exact pick yet. Adam Schafter called it a mid-round pick. I can't imagine that would be a four. I think it would be, if it were a six,

I think you would call it a late round. You know, I think that's a pretty heavy, heavy lift there to say that's a mid-round pick if it's a sixth rounder. So I'm assuming it's a future fifth round pick, which to me, that's,

I think that's fine value for, you know, what you were expecting to get out of Huff at this point, is that worth it for the cap savings to just not have him in the building? Do you think that it had just, it had soured completely that it was untenable to have him here? Based off the reporting and the way you guys talked about yesterday,

I think so, right? Yeah, the fact that he was in the Super Bowl, I think speaks volumes there. And look, the signing didn't work out. The Eagle, it's clear that was the case. It was clear last year that was the case. One thing that Hallie Roseman's demonstrated, and I remember talking to Joe Banner about this is,

as an executive, you need to have the willingness to move on from a mistake as opposed to compounding it just to try to save face. And in recent years, the Eagles have been willing to do that. I look at it like, yeah, this isn't, this is the best possible return. I was curious what the value for Huff would be. I mean, we spoke about it with Professor Selman yesterday. Eagles weren't bidding against themselves last year when they signed him. So he has fans in the league.

That said, I'm curious who the 49ers were bidding against here, right? I mean, I imagine there had to be some urgency to adjust the contract, right? Take on the money on the deal and give up a draft pick. I still, I imagine Bryce Huff can play. I mean, full disclosure, and this is documented. You go back to our free agency shows last year. I like the signing for the Eagles. He was a player going into it in the free agency.

see quacketology. I was saying they should they should go after this player. They should go for this profile player. And so it will be hypocritical for me to say I saw this coming last year. But I think this offseason, I just thought the ship had sailed and the Eagles were going to try to move on and the Eagles weren't going to rely on him. I thought they might wait until training camp to see if there's an injury someplace else. But the fact that the 49ers seem motivated to do this, it's a good return for the Eagles all things considered. you like to say and frame things as and Jeffrey Lurie has talked about it

like the discussion of Howie Roseman's job security versus how willing he is to take risks. Yes. Some people frame it as well he can take risk because he knows his job security. You say and Jeffrey says that he has job security because he takes risks. If it's about moving on from your own mistakes,

is it because he has job security that he's willing to pull the plug? Or is that part of why he has job security because he's willing to do those things? Because he hasn't always been willing to do that. This has been more of an evolution. Sure. I mean, perhaps early on there were some hubris involved, right?

I think, too, what you learn is if you're trying to extract value, then it behooves you to act sooner rather than later. If you don't think that he's going to be a good player for you, then you, if you just throw him out there, he's not going to raise his his value now it becomes supply and demand like you you could wait for there to be more demand but like fran was saying and i agree i don't know if they would if they were going to get a better offer at any point than then this one so i don't know if it's a job security thing i think it's it's more just he has eyes he has i think he has more confidence in in his job now probably and um he's he's willing to say you know what this didn't work out let's cut our losses do you think that anything changed because during the Super Bowl week, talking to some people behind the scenes, it was sort of like, you know what, this was not a good year for Bryce off, but we still have hope for him here.

Yeah. Do you think anything changed this offseason? No. You think that was just a lie? Yeah. Yeah. I think that was, I mean, they don't want a story on Super Bowl week to be like the $17 million year guy that gave can't play. I mean, it's much better to kind of frame it like, well, this, this book hasn't been

written yet, but I think the book was written when he was enacted for the Super Bowl. I mean, I think I'll tell you what, this could be the path to a nice resolution for you and Emily next off season. You will write a book. It will just be the history of Bryce Huff with the Philadelphia Eagles,

and that will not take quite as much as your time. No, the book has been written. I don't know what the marketplace is for that book. Probably less than what the marketplace was for him on the trade market. I don't know. It'd be good. He does have I think two references in the book that's coming out

on September 23rd, leap year. Where could people buy that? Anywhere books are sold. You can pre-order it now on Amazon Barnes & Noble. Hopefully your local bookstores, but you typically go into those shops there. Maybe you can put a deposit down

if they would take it. I hope they would. But September 23rd. Just showing up and willing to put in deposits. I like that. Two references. Two references. Trying to think of when that would have happened.

I think you've got to mention him as part of the office. Eventually the all season. Yeah. And then I think you, and then I think like toward the Super Bowl. Yeah. You got to circle back. You got to circle back. You do have to close.

Or maybe it was, it was the injury. Actually, if I can actually do a little search here. Got it up. He's got a lot of reading to do this weekend. He's on five different pages here. Okay. Okay. That makes sense to me.

Yeah, but most of them are in the free agency part of it. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I mean, it's an, it's an interesting story. of the season. They won the Super Bowl. Sure. And this was arguably one of High Rosemans,

if not the worst free agent signing he's ever made. I mean, literally, they made a bigger investment in Bryce Hoff than Sequin Park. Now you can say that the position had something to do with it, but they're and internally they were very excited last year about the Bryce Hoff signing.

They viewed this as an ascending player. They were willing to move on from Hassan Reddick. Like they could have kept Asan Reddick if they want, you know, try to give Hassan Reddick 17-Mill. I don't know. that's not right. I would have stayed for 17 million. But they were excited about where Bryce Huff was going.

It clearly didn't work out. Well, this was also one where, you know, looking back, it seemed clear, at least to Vic Fangio, right away. Right. That this guy was not who they thought he was. What, you know, you were in the building at the time, friend, what is your understanding of like, you know, as how he likes to say, sometimes free agencies are like arranged marriages?

You know, sometimes they don't work out. Like, how soon do you think they knew that this was not necessarily? who they thought. Yeah, I mean, I think that there were, you know, even though, look, you had some people in the building that were clearly a fan of his, you know, fans of his game, right? And what he could be. There were some people, there were other people in the building that, you know, had reservations as well. I think when you had his profile, you know, in terms of trying to project his role moving forward, uh, there was reason for concern, you know, can this guy develop in a three-down player? You're paying him like one. Can he turn into one? And, you know,

obviously Vic Fangio voiced that publicly. But, um, yeah, I think that, uh, there was reason, certainly, to be a little bit worried about what he could be in that. So if the front office does a debrief this summer on this, right? What's their lesson from the signing? Like, do you stay away from situational rushers? Do you look for more of like the size speed, athletic profile to think it's an ascending player? And like there's the untapped potential. Or do you just say, all right, we're just going to sign big ticket guys.

Like we're going to. It's funny, Zach, because this is, we do the poking of the. fun at their kink for guys with first and second grade second round draft pedigree they paid a lot of money to a guy who was originally undrafted i would imagine that that this is a data point for howie in in how they approach those things not to mention too the the uh the cohabitation matrix yeah you know like having someone in the building that maybe had worked with him in the past which obviously like that's the case for san francisco um that might be able to give you more confidence we just got him back Joe Douglas is the one who let him go.

Yeah, right. But it would have been on one of those things where it's like, hey, like, do you think this guy can project forward? Will this guy be willing to play against the run as opposed to just trying to wishcast it? Yeah, what do you think? I think that they would be less inclined to go with that profile, the undrafted rookie situational pass rusher. And I think they'd be more inclined to kind of, no, I don't think,

I shouldn't say, I shouldn't say undrafted rookie. like how he looks fondly at the Ronnie McLeod signing. He was an undrafted rookie. He didn't come which which draft had a degree. But I think. But there was there was projection here. A lot of projection. You know,

he's going to have to play more snaps. Why hasn't he played that many snaps? And so, yeah, I think that's, I think that's part of it. I think too. Again, I don't know Vic Fangio well, right? And I wish I knew him better.

But you said, like Vic kind of identified this right away. And maybe if Vic seemed to put more stock, I think than how he did. I could be wrong in the dropping in the coverage. Like in camp, that was the first thing. And the run defense. Yeah, the first thing Vic said was like, he can't do this basically.

He can't drop, right? And so you're only going to have him on the field as a designated pass rush. I think Howie views it. I don't want to put words in Howie's mouth, but Howie's like, this guy can get to the quarterback. And that's a skill that's worth money. Do you think the Vic of this

means that if it were a different defensive coordinator, they might not have been so quick to move off of Bryce off. Whether that's a good point. Whether that is Vick's sway or just his rigidity and like, I know that this guy is not going to work for me. Like if Sean decides there, how he's like, tough luck, play this guy.

Right, right. Yeah, maybe so. Maybe so. I was rereading the transcripts from the post draft pressers this morning after the Jihad Campbell pick, after the McCuba pick and how he's talking about Vic Fangio and his influence over player evaluation and just how he kind of reiterated how Vic,

even just this offseason, was able to like further kind of like cement, this is what I'm looking for. This is my vision for players at this position. And so I think, you know, even just fast forwarding a year from what, you know, any conversations they had about Bryce Huff and the plan for Bryce Huff in March and February of 2024

to what those conversations look like now, it's probably a little bit different. Interesting. What a newsy Friday. Yeah, that's great. All right. Why don't we take a little break? Come back.

A few more Bryce have questions. We have your super chats. And we're going to do a little modified tick friend, Zach. Zach Franbo? Whatever it is. We'll figure it out in just a few minutes. All right. What we're going to talk about?

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Yeah. All right. A couple of super chats to get to. Yeah. On the Bryce Huff front. Wait to see this one. Frank. Z.B.

Franenbo, what is your favorite Bryce Huff memory? My favorite Bryce Huff memory was talking to him after the New England game. having a chance to sit down and speak with him and he played more that game.

I think he was one of the only defensive starters who played that game. And he was accountable by his locker. And there weren't a lot of reporters at that game. And he was very like, he was, he understood why the questions were being asked. He played ball with them. So I can't say I got to know him exceedingly well

during his time here. but I guess I guess that one jumps out. Yeah, I can't say that I got to know him exceedingly well either. But I would say the, I mean, there were some clips where he like turned the corner and he just didn't, he just didn't do anything to win it. It was a bewildering year just because like even the things where you would say like, oh, he did, he did this well in New York. He should be able to do it. He just, he just, it was just a bad season. It was an ugly season.

Do you remember a thing like that where, where even the thing that the guy, I used to be able to do well so quickly lost it and not not as a result of like you know aging or something like that it's almost as if like somebody else had taken over his body well that's what like to me sometimes you see that and it's like guys are thinking too much there's like the stress of it the the the the sports psychology part of it I think kind of coming to play and you mentioned it the other day about how like this had been a pretty rough year like off the field for brice up just to you know everything they had and dealt with um yeah that's that's a tough one I can't I'm trying to think I know I'm I know I've seen players come through I mean not even

just Eagles like you know Markle Fultz like completely forgetting how to shoot a free throw like uh you know we we've seen those kind of examples here in Philadelphia I think my favorite Bryce off memory was discovering him at the shrine game oh okay of course inventing him of course I'm inventing him um yeah it's it's what a weird what a weird year yeah I mean good for him though because he's he still gets that contract And he gets to go and play for a coach who, like, believed in him in a scheme that fits him. So no expectations. Yeah, it's one thing if, if, like, you get cut and that, but he's still on that, he's still on the same contract.

Right. So this is, this is a, this is a win for Bryce off. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm not, clearly, he didn't like it here. You think he'll be at the ring ceremony? No, I don't. I don't.

No, they'll send that ring out. Hmm. Okay. Super chef from Ross. as my son started T-ball last night and Zee-B was right, entirely too much clapping. What was this regarding? I think this was about you were saying that your, your, your, your, your, your, Reed's grandparents were, uh, oh, happy about his performances in T-ball.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's, I, now my father, got to be careful. My father-in-law watches and listens to the show. D.R. He's the man. Terrific person. But, yeah, I have told him that Reed makes contact. Let's listen. Let's not throw a parade and call him Major League Baseball Scouts, right? Let's let's, we got a, it's like the boy who cried wolf, right? You have to, no pun intended, you have to, you have to earn applause. You have to earn congratulations.

I think there's a happy meeting there. As I say, and I feel I tell him literally every time, I don't care how you do, I care how you do it. All right, I care the type of teammate you are, like cheering on the other guys. that's that's important. What is the benchmark for applause? Um, a fundamental sound play, right?

Like if he, if he gets the barrel on the ball, yeah, good work, right? He lines out, he lines out, but he gets a barrel on it.

Yeah, I'm not a clapper, like at the, at the games sometimes. Um, but yeah, I'll tell him. Um,

I try it. Well, no, as a, If I'm coaching, yeah, but if I'm a parent, try to keep like a lower profile. I don't know. I always remember the parents who were like overly. I do too.

And I guess I never wanted to be like that. I always want like, I feel like that could put too much pressure on your kid in the other direction too. So, yeah, I'm there and I try to be supportive, but like I don't overly clap. And I will say nice job more about like hustle or being a good teammate. And I always tell the players, like cheer on your teammates, cheer on your teammates. That's stuff that matters to me. Yep. Jake makes super chat says, how could there be so much summer football news?

You guys rule. Thanks for all the saved road rage on my morning commute. Jake, I appreciate that. Very generous. Yeah. Thank you very much. Oh, wow. Wow.

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Fantastic. Ross comes back in the fold. He says, any chance of getting a Brian Role, Tommy Gun, celebration merchandise, hashtag for the sickos. That would become my favorite church.

I mean, I would wear that every day. I got to say, I don't have any jurisdiction over the merch we sell here, but I've always thought we should lean more into like the unique esoteric merch. As opposed, yeah. Like, I, I think that some of the, well, I think sometimes I don't want to get myself in, in trouble.

It's like, you know, it's like Schill says about this business, Shil Kapadia from the ringer, that like, like, don't, you know, don't do the same thing everyone else does, right? Find your own lane. And I think if you're, if you're doing the same thing everyone else is doing, I don't know what your competitive advantage is. But like I think that we can lean into some of the esoteric brunch. I think it would be great. I mean, that's a great idea. Letting that, just letting that shirt drop out of nowhere.

Would you have one to play? Would you want any caption underneath that? I don't know. That's a good question. Maybe it's like, maybe it's like the line in the Home Alone movie. I believe you, but my Tommy gun don't. That's good.

But then, I don't know. Anyway, DJ AK Mr. Sandman, Huff couldn't drop into coverage, but Hassan Reddick refused to drop into coverage. Ultimately, Howie traded Reddick for a draft pick and cap relief. I didn't view the Howie as the Huff trade as like Hassan for Huff. I mean, I suppose in terms of the role. on the on the team but i i didn't necessarily view it like that i mean he was the direct replacement true but i didn't view it it's like they traded hasan for huff and a yeah yeah i never

yeah yeah that's your point all right i would still rather have i said last year i'd rather have hasan reddick than rice huff yeah i actually think i'm now hasan reddn't have a good year but i do think that came to bearer last year too yeah you didn't have a year last year you didn't play yeah And he wasn't at OTAs in Tampa. No. But you tell that guy to go after the quarterback, he'll sack the quarterback. Keep the change of filthy animal.

That's what it would be. Yeah, you do keep the change of filthy animal. And it's Brian or all going like this. That's pretty good. I like that. Okay. Do you want to do the, go back to the rubric, do a little Franzac bow?

We got time. We might as well. Yeah. Okay. We've each come up with three little prompts, three little questions. How about I'll start? I'm going to ask.

I'm going to give me your, give me your number one, Fran. My number one, got it. It is going to be now. So basically my trifecta here is woodpecker, they rather. So rather than Woodpecker, you rather. It's what would the team rather have happened?

So my first one, would they rather, would pecker they rather, Jahad Campbell evolve into a starting level edge rusher or any one of the day three tackles, so either Miles Hint or, Cameron Williams develop into a starting level tackle. Now, not a pro bowl lever, like a starting level.

So like solid starter off the edge. Like a colorful of Vati Vita. Sure. And then for same thing with Campbell. Not like a true like impact like, oh wow, pass rush. We're not talking. He turns into Michael Parsons, but it turns into like a solid edge rusher or like Josh sweat or worse than that.

Probably a little bit less than that. Or yeah. Hinton or Williams develop into a starting level tackle. Does that mean that that is all that Jihad Campbell does? You are signing, like you can sign the dotted line right now to guarantee that one of these two outcomes is going to happen. So I, but I, he could still be a premier linebacker. Correct.

I think they would take the tackle. Yeah. I think so too. I agree with you there. Yeah. It just allows you to plan a little bit better. Yeah. I agree with you there.

It's just the surplus value. I mean, if one of those guys turns. into Halapulavati Vaitai, that's a home run. Sure. If Jaha'i Campbell turns into Bryce Huff with the Jets, that's not a home run. Sure. Yeah. No, you might still get the linebacker stuff.

But yeah, I think you invite more of the upside variance. Yeah, you're happy with the variability of what Campbell could become. Okay. That's a good one. I like that one. All right. Your turn to ask one of us. So convince me.

And this, I, I, texted Bo Fran and Denise this this morning. I'm curious, Fran's perspective on the conversation that we, that the three of us had, when I say three of us, Professor Selman, a bow and me yesterday, as far as is replacing Josh Sweat more difficult than replacing Keelorringo. And this is one where I felt pretty, I felt pretty strongly when I left and I still feel strongly, but I was considering, and I was reading the YouTube comments, which were pretty good about this. And one person said that the Eagles always emphasized edge rushers and they had bad defenses or like not. And he said the year that they emphasized the year they had this great secondary,

they had they had the number one defense. And it, you know, I might be too swayed by a decade plus covering the Eagles and thinking like everything's on the line of scrimmage and you can get by with replacement level corners. But it showed like last year was the first time I covered a team and and 2022, to be fair, when they had really high-level corners. And I can see how it affects the entire defense when you have that. I'm still more of a pass-rush guy. But I'm curious to your perspective, who's harder to replace? Well, I was in thinking about this, I think that there's a couple of things, right?

If you're looking at replacing these guys right now on May 30th, 2025, I think the plan to replace Darius Slay is a little bit more, a little bit more, you feel a little bit better about that than the plan to replace Josh Sweat because I think, you know, Kili Ringgo has been in the building for two years, whereas Jaylex Hunt's only been in the building for one. I think there's probably a little, to me personally, I probably have a little bit more faith in the floor for Ringo than I do for Hunt at this point, given that. That said, I think I land more with Daynez with it, with his feeling on it yesterday, where when I look at this defensive scheme, I think it's more important for

the corner situation to be, you know, fixed or to be solidified as opposed to, like, they could figure it out in the aggregate with the, with the pass rush. That's kind of the way I'm viewing it right now, especially because for the majority of last season, you know, the past, it's not like the past rush was like, oh, man, like they are, they are just, they are unstoppable. Whereas with the secondary, we looked at that all season long and said, like, this is one of the best groups in the NFL. I think also, like, There's a much bigger difference between the 20th best corner in football and the 80th best corner in football than there is with the 20th best defensive end and the 80th best defense

end. Like you will still get a guy who is serviceable at defensive end who's going to get to the quarterback eventually, especially if the coverage is good enough. Yep. I mean, I agree with you from a team building standpoint. I would still overvalue the defensive line relative to the secondary. Part of that is because I think secondary play in itself is a little bit. bit unsticky. But with this team, the way they play, yeah, I would say if they're going to be

the best defense in football again, it's going to be more important that the secondary keeps up its level of play than the pass rush. Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think that I don't want to dive too deep into that last point because it's part of one of my next, one of my next prompts. But yeah, I think that's right. Now, I also think that the Jalen Carter part of this. is very interesting, right? We talked about it a little bit yesterday, but yeah, if you're, if you're expecting him to be one of the best defensive

tackles in football and the kind of like force multiplier, then you probably will be able to get by with some just solid defense events. Right. And I mean, the other big part of it too is that like in week two, is Jaylex Hunt going to look like Josh Sweat? Probably not, but by the time you get to week 15,

by the time you get to the divisional round of the playoffs, like what kind of impact is, is Jaylex Hunt having by that point after being a full-time player, a presumed full-time player for the majority of the year. Hopefully you're banking that he's getting closer and closer to his upside by that point. What about Nolan Smith's ability to stay healthy? Does that concern you? A little bit.

Yeah. I mean, I loved Nolan Smith coming out of Georgia. You know, he was, he did get banged up a little bit down there. I mean, just with his size and with his physicality, the way that he, you know, that he just kind of attacks the run. game with reckless abandon at times. I mean, we see how that can work in your favor. But obviously, that can be a double-edged sword. And so gets that surgery right after the season. He dealt, what was, what was it that early on, that his rookie year that he was dealing with? That was,

he had the shoulder. It was the shoulder. It was still a shoulder. So yeah, I mean, that's, a little concerning. Yeah. I'm definitely a little bit, it's in the back of my mind a little bit. Okay. Are you moved at all? Yeah, I mean, I think that's a concern. Yeah. But I don't know what they're going to do about it right now. No, I mean, you can't. Does that move the needle for you at all, Zach? Or you're still on defense event? I'm still on.

I mean, I've moved my position since yesterday a bit, but I'm still a tough to replace pass rusher. And Josh Sweat is a really good player who was probably underappreciated in Philly, not on this set, but among Eagles fans. Oh, but yeah, I don't think that this is a Josh Sweat thing. No, but I think that there's, going to, I do think they're going to miss sweat. I really do. And I think that there's this,

there's this idea that they were an effective pass rushing team last year without like a premier pass rusher. And Josh Sweat, the market showed you. He's an $18 million pass rusher. He's been two-time pro bowler. Yeah, but Zach. What? You're talking about this in the Bryce Huff episode. What did the market say about Bryce Huff? Well, that's, that's true. I, I get that. But, I think that the market's sometimes wrong and sometimes correct. And I think in this case, I think Josh Sweets can have a really good year with the Cardinals. I think,

I mean, what a match made in heaven. I think he's going to be the most productive edge rusher to leave Philadelphia since Derek Burgess. Actually, no, Chris Clemens. Chris Clemens was a good player when he left. What's the bar here, though? Chris Clemens and Derek Burgess.

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I believe all of Jalen Carter's sacks came with Huff on the field. Is that true? Oh, I don't know. Bryce Huff missed a lot of time. Yeah, I'd have to look at that. I don't know about all of them, but it's possible some of them did. I would say I'm usually someone who's like on the positivity. of things. Like I'm usually someone to look at things glass half full. And so when as everyone else is

talking about the negative with Bryce Huff, I'll, I'll usually like, all right. Yeah, it's not, it's not that bad. Um, it's pretty bad. It was pretty bad. Okay. David says, uh, Bo, baby Wolf's initials, L-E-W for Lou Nichols. Unfortunately, not the, the middle initial, but that would be very funny. It would have been a terrible way for Rachel to find out. Yeah. That's true. Um, all right, I'm going to give you mine. I want you guys to work together. here. By the way, I just want to just be clear here. Joe and Carter, he had two sacks in that Rams game in the playoffs. Bryce Huff wasn't active for that game.

And during the, without even looking at the on-field stats, the games when Bryce Huff was absent from week 11 to week 15, Carter had a sack in there as well. I wonder if he meant sweat. Yeah, because I don't know, sweat in the Super Bowl. He had two and a half sacks. Anyways, I don't mean the customers usually right. All right, I'm going to give you guys a blind ranking. Okay.

This game always causes me so much. You'll take turns. Okay, so go Fran, Zach, Frank. And what we are doing here is the worst free agent signings of Howie Roseman's career. Okay. Okay. So you're going to go first, Fran. I'm going to give you.

What's the, how many? How many? There are 10. 10. Wow. Okay. Goes to 10. So one being the worst signing.

Patrick Chung. 10 is the worst. 10 is the worst. No, no, no, one is the worst. One is the worst. All right. So then I'm trying to remember the extent of that deal. Obviously, he was only here for one year.

I think it was like three years, 12 million. Yeah, which is a great deal. We'll put it right in the middle at five. Okay. Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah. Zach, I'll give you someone from the same time period.

Bradley Fletcher. Eight. I mean, that, that wasn't. a horrible deal. He was a two-year starter. He wasn't very good, but low-cost contract for a two-year starter. Nice guy, Bradley Fletcher. Yes. Malik Jackson. The health was the big thing. Got hurt in his first game. It was a big, it was a big contract. Probably worse than Chong, right? Right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Three. Oh, okay. Four? Yeah. Three it is. Let's go three. Yeah, three. Bryce Huff.

Two. Two. You've got one ahead. Interesting. He's got one in his mind already. All right. I'm going to give you Chatevis Brown. Chathes Brown.

10? They didn't really hurt them too much. Zach Nicholas Morrow. Nine. Yeah. Okay. I beat him nothing. He started.

So. Fran. Andrew Sendejo. Jeez. Because you got a factor in. Not only, he's also injuring your own players. I was going to say, if I'm afraid if I put it too high, he's become flying in the glass here. You got one, four, six, and seven left.

Yeah, let's go, let's go seven. Okay. Zach? Orlando Scandrick. What's left? One, four, and six. That's six. I don't know.

It was pretty bad. It was bad. Poison the well. True, but the financial implications. Sure. We're in tough. All right. Fran,

Isaac Sopawaga. Okay. Yeah, I mean, what was it? It was one and four. It was, one and four as well.

Yeah. And I think you know who number one is that. Nambi Osama? Yeah. Yeah, that's one for me. So I, you think NOMD is a worse signing

than Bryce Huff? Yes. I don't. Yeah. Nomdy played. He, he struggled. He was the face of like a bad era for the Eagles.

Right. Well, that's not his fault. He prompted them to then trade Asante Samuel, who was a productive player for them. Also, and this actually helped long term with Howie Rosman, but Nomdi Oswald did not have offsetting language in his contract. And so they cut him and he still got every dollar he was owed, even when he went on and he signed. Was it with the 49ers he went and signed with? So, yeah, I think Namdi was the worst.

Also, they made him the highest paid corner in the NFL. Yeah, but he played for the team for two years. Yeah, but not well. Yeah. I mean, it's a more, it's certainly a more public. Right. So, but it's the thing. The Bryce.

I think in terms of pure ROI, I think the Bryce Huff signing is worse. But the Bryce Huff contract did not hurt the Eagles in that they won the Super Bowl. Of course. The nominee contract, like that. Well, yeah. But that's not because of the. contract because the team was bad. True, but he was a part of the team being bad.

And I personally like that. We have to disentangle the bird on a wire. I mean, I'm going to ride from my guy. You know that. Me too. Also, I'm not holding it. I always enjoyed conversations with Namdi.

It was the moment of the most embarrassing. It was the most embarrassing moment of my journalistic career. Really? I've told you this story. I know, but I'm surprised it's the most. Number one. The most embarrassing moment of my journalistic career. I'll tell the audience, I'll tell Franie.

Oh, yeah, I don't know if I've heard this. So my first summer on the beat, and he's wearing a t-shirt with four people crossing a street. And I'm trying to make conversation with him. This is going already. And I'm like, I'm like, what's the significance of your t-shirt? And he looked at me, and he's like, he's like, that's the Beatles. I was like, huh? He's like, oh, no, no, he said, he said, this is Abby Rote.

That's what he said. And I was like, so? What does that mean? He's like, it's the Beatles. I was like, like, like the band? He's like, yeah. And I was like, oh. And but everyone was like, I was new on the beat.

And, you know, you have a bunch of like, you know, middle-aged sports writers who all know the Beatles. And it's like who this, this guy is like, has this guy seen anything other than, has this guy seen anything other than the Ole Miss defense or something? Yeah. So embarrassing moments. It should be more culturally. A culturally. literate. The fact that's your worst,

that's your most embarrassing journalistic, but that's not bad at all. That's pretty embarrassing. Yeah. Okay. All right. Over to you, friend.

All right. My next one. Would, would pecker they rather, Jordan Davis gets five sacks this year or Keeley Ringo gets five interceptions? Ooh.

Key the Ringo gets five interceptions. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Well, first of all, you're guaranteeing turnovers. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

You're just on a baseline level. You take that. Right. And I think that means that he has earned the right to be on the field. You know, you're maybe discounting injuries. But yeah, I think it's more important for them that Keely Ringo is good enough to earn Vicks trust and be on the field enough to get five interceptions. Right. Then for Jordan Davis to get five sacks.

Do you disagree? No, I probably would have leaned. Because the past rest of juice. I probably would have leaned key the ringer there. I was interested to see if the Jordan Davis of it all was enough to kind of sway you. We're all three of us in the same page. So this is a fun convince me here. Eagles related.

So I changed this on the spot. Before this trade happened, it was going to be convinced me that Bryce Huff can have a role on this team, then the trade happened. So convince me who should go to Greg D's office on Monday and ask for zero? A coveted number.

Okay. I'll tell you what. Defop Dan McQuaid texting me during the show. He says he knew that Bryce was going to be a bust once he took swoop's number. Well, he took DeAndre Swift's number. Yeah. Well, actually, McQuaid.

Sorry, he took DeAndre Swift's number. Well, actually, I'll tell me the SWIFT's where to... It's how I sell. I mean, it's still swoops number originally, just because someone else had it in the interim, you know? Okay, all right. It took swoops number. There you go.

Who should take zero? Nobody. Nobody? Oh, there's going to be, they're going to be knocking on Greg's office. And Greg D. D. is Greg D. Lemitros, the outstanding vice president of equipment

with Eagles. Who should, I'm curious who the zero would be. I wonder if Jihad Campbell. I'm going to think less about zero and more who needs a new number. I wonder if Jihad Campbell goes in. and asks for zero.

He shouldn't do that. No? No, you can't, you don't want to. I mean, 30, zero, it's,

I got a, I kind of like, I kind of like, 30 for, for Campbell. All right, let's see, who,

who needs a new number? Chat, feel free to weigh in. If Mac McWilliams wasn't 22, because when it 22 is a, that's a coveted number, then I,

I think I like Mac McWilliams and a zero, but why? Yeah. I think that could fit him, but 22, he shouldn't move off. 22 so um let's see here no these not these guys are that they're that bad all right seven that's a yeah one yeah I think I got one Brett Tooth no it should be Avery

Williams oh he's a good one yeah he's 18 yeah free up 18 for somebody else yeah yeah sure Avery Williams is zero makes less sense that is a good one uh do we have another a super chat there. Did I miss one? No, we don't. Okay. All right. I'm going to give you one here. Let's say which assistant coach who is not a coordinator are you most convinced will become a head coach one day? You can go Christian Parker. Okay. And why? Now he's on the defensive side so it's a harder threshold, but he's young, right? ascending a coach. I expect him to be a coordinator in the next few years.

Really good communication skills. And I think that's important to be a head coach. And, yeah, I think that there are, I think there are qualities there that I, if I'm saying like non-coranity. I think also, he has a presence to him. Exactly. And I don't think that can be dismissed.

Like I saw an interesting tweet from our friend Greg Rosenthal who said that he's kind of stake. on like the nepotism, the anti-nepotism thing, or how he framed it, that Brian Schottenheimer will be a better head coach than coordinator, just like his father was, right? And I think that they're different jobs, not to say Christian Parker won't be a good coordinator,

but I think Christian Parker has a presence. He's young, players rave about him. So I'm going with him. He's the, I would say, next up in terms of getting a coordinator job. So I think it's a fair assumption to say. just in terms of the bet. Yeah, he's closer to the finish line than the rest of the. But he's a defensive coach.

Yeah. But also the offensive coaches are all a little bit further along in their careers. And you would think if they were ascending to that level that they might have already. Anyone offensively? You go out? Parks Frazier? Oh, Parks Frazier. Okay.

Yeah, I guess. But that's a complete shot in the dark. Yeah. He's just young, you know. Yeah. Maybe Leffler. Well, that's what I was going to ask is an NFL head coach. Yeah.

Like, you know, jump back to college. Air Force opened up like Jamal Singleton, head coached at Air Force. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Can you name North Carolina State's defensive coordinator? No. He's someone who worked for the Eagles for the last three years. Within the last three years.

Yes. No. Tracy Rocker. No. You want to give you it? No, give us initials. D.E. Denel Ellerby

No I'll just tell you DJ Elliot Really Yes I found a good landing spot Yeah He didn't coach last year

He was probably still under contracting Hanks out at home Crack you know You're cranking the film You're Uh Hanging out of home crank Apparently

Yeah The film You visit You visit You visit It's a good year off Bo, you visit Pro Football Focus for a day. You know, and now, and now he's, he's,

you know, he's positioned to be an ACCC defensive coordinator. So, yeah, DJ O. Yeah, DJ O'et. Okay. You're up last, or you're up first for your last round, Fran. Would Pecker they rather? Anaya Smith be the star of the preseason? or Sydney Brown be the star of the preseason.

Sydney Brown. If Sydney Brown is the star of the preseason. Yeah, I agree. He was a starter and then Maccuba is not a starter. True. I think I'd go in Ia Smith. Number three. Because to be the star of a preseason at safety defensively,

it's not necessarily indicative of you're going to be a good player, right? Yep. The defenses are relatively vanilla. Maybe you're having big hits that make highlights. but that doesn't necessarily portend you're going to be everywhere in the right place all the time. Whereas if like the thing that we have not seen from Anaya Smith is just juice. Yeah. Like to like look the part on the field.

And if he's doing that, then yeah, I think that that would be nice. The one factor in this that I didn't really take into account as I put it together was that if Sidney Brown is starring in the preseason, that means that Maccuba is clearly ahead of him and is sitting out. And so that means that, yeah. But I get the point. But I see where you're going. Yeah. Okay.

Mike convinced me is non-football related and this is something that's been on my mind I'm curious here this is a little she should save it for overtime no give it okay so tipping is something that like I I spent a lot of time thinking about tipping I care a lot

about tipping I think it's important to tip well yeah now or the tip well it's important to tip well okay but this is this is one that I kind of struggle with okay what's your view on

tipping takeout. And do you do the flat, if you do tip, do you believe in tipping the flat fee or the percentage? Because the percentage, I mean, I get kind of, you know,

because it comes up on the screen, right? And if you're doing takeout, like you've a big order for, for takeout, a percentage of that's pretty, it's like pretty substantial, but you're,

you're doing the takeout. I suppose like, what kind of takeout are we talking? you get what kind of thing out Vietnamese or Chinese thinking about like

in terms of the order how big the order let's say how much are you spending on the order let's dinner for two versus catering no

yeah let's let's go $70 okay $70 what's your tip and is it is this so it's Vietnamese

in this situation or pick any delusity you want well but I think it's like the labor put into it matters but the tips not going to the people doing the labor in that case

well the tips are pooled in theory yeah but it's pulled by the service not by the not by the kitchen staff right the kitchen staff's not getting the tip yeah but I don't think

you can, I don't think you can twist yourself into who is this tip going to go towards and I'm going to tip less because it's not going to the person who really deserves it. It's not a matter of deserving. It's just like, you're, in theory, you're spreading. But my point is, is that when you tip for the, for the meal, you're tipping for the service, right? In this case, there's not much of a service charge. I don't know, all the way I agree with that. Okay. I mean, I'm, I am, I am an overtipper. Yeah, but like, what's your tipping protocol for takeout? I would, Well, first of all, I do, I mean, I would rather give a... We should imagine where...

I would rather... Oh, yeah. Find out the answer in... Overtime! I would probably tip $10. $10? So does the price of the meal factor into what you're tipping? Of course.

Okay. Is it the same thing with delivery? Of course. Really? Yeah. Okay. But so... Okay, so let's workshop this a bit.

Because so the delivery drive. in this case is, is, they're not working for the restaurant, right? They're working for a service. So it's like the, you're tipping for their service in that case. So if they're driving 10 minutes to bring something over that's,

you know, a $15 pizza or they're driving 10 minutes that bring over a $60, whatever, their service is the same. Like shouldn't the, the tip should not reflect. I'm giving a generous tip on the first one because their services is just the same.

I think that's right. Yeah. I agree with that. Thank you, right? Yeah, I see Bo disagrees with me. I'm just, you know what? Like the world is so hard. Just spread the wealth, man.

That's how I feel. Wait, so I'm so, so you get the $15 pizza. You're tipping, you're only tip. I mean, what's your tip for that then? A $15 delivery pizza? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, not a ton, but. Oh, you see, but the service is the same as, like, their role,

they're doing the same thing in that case as if they were delivering $70 of Vietnamese food, okay? So, yeah, I tip, just like in the, in the, in the chat here, I deliver, I tip flat fee on delivery. What, um, yeah, I don't. You don't? Okay. I um interesting so I I feel like um the the people who are delivering you not like the 15 pizza they're probably pissed off at the tip in that case like they're they're driving

you're giving you're giving multiple tips is you're tipping the the place and then you're tipping the driver well delivery I'm not tipping the place so what do you mean they're going to be they're upset I mean there's in the example I gave they're going to on 10 minutes to your house. Right. And they're only getting tipped on the $15 pizza as opposed to for the service they're providing. But I'm not, I'm not giving them a dollar. Well, no, I said you're you're tipping the same.

So it behooves them. Like if they're DoorDash or Uber Eats or Grubhub, it behooves them to like only want to pick up from expensive places then. Right? So then by, so that's hurting the, are you following what I'm saying? I'm following what you're saying. I think part of the disconnect for me is, is I'm not often ordering. from like a door dash where it's where it's a complete third party okay as opposed to like this restaurant has its delivery driver all right admittedly most of mine a little bit more like

it's to the place itself fair okay but yeah that changes it yeah most of my deliveries admittedly from a delivery service like i mean one thing i will always try to do is is you know try to find out if the restaurant has its own ordering thing as opposed to going through the third party service because they're getting more of the money. Yeah. And you're not getting killed with fees either. But yeah. And then for takeout, are you delivering, you're tipping on the percentage as opposed to the

flat? Because I'm kind of with what the chat's saying here, which is like you have the standard, I'm tipping X amount for the flat or the flat order, like for the pickup. I think, I think takeout especially I would, I would, it would not just be the flat. I would mean how much I'm ordering is it is going to affect it for sure okay does the there's also like is this a place you frequent a lot um so yeah they don't you know you're not like uh mr two dollar tip who's coming around all the time uh you know there's like the repeated game aspect of it is the end I would imagine too it would change if it's like a you know one of

the pizza places we order from or if I go pick it up it's like oh they keep the food like up on top of the oven, it's keeping it warm, someone goes and grabs it and brings it over, as opposed to some of the chains where it's like, here's a shelf over there where you can go and pick it up, you can just grab it. Oh, sure. That's going to be a little bit different in terms of,

I don't know, how willing I am to go overboard with it. So this is a conversation I had with someone recently. Do you tip on drive-through? No. So how's that different than pickup? I just, I kind of object to like the trying to make sure that other people aren't getting. tipped.

Objective. Because it's also, it's to the establishment. It's to the workers. Like, I'm, I'm paying the establishment for the food. The, the food's going to the establishment. The tip's going to the workers. It's like, ideally, like, I want to create, and I suppose Venmo is like this,

but I would love an app where you can tip directly as opposed to putting it on, yeah, on like the credit card that goes to the, you know, or like, I don't carry cash. Yeah, and I want to carry cash more for tipping, situations that it's kind of like if I go to the barbershop I'll bring cash for that but um like I heard actually shout out the Philly special they had the conversation this this screws me up all the time at hotels okay front desks don't carry cash anymore like you you want to tip the housekeeping

service yeah right but I don't carry cash if I don't have cash in my bag I'm catching the flight I go to the front desk can you you know can you um break whatever yeah and yeah they don't carry cash And so then you're like, what do you do here? It's tough. It's tough. So there should be an app that could easily like just call it tip app. And it's just like cash app or VEMO. I or tap tip.

I feel like I was at a hotel relatively recently where there was something like that. Yes. QR code. Yeah, exactly. Which is great. Yeah. Which is great. How about tap tip?

I tap my phone against your phone. I don't think you want to go too far down the line with tap tip. How about just the tip? tip, Zach. Okay. So, yeah, Valley Parkers now, I,

I'll do like Venmo or cash app or, yeah. Yeah. But I'm, I'm fascinated by the, I get so thrown off at the, at the counter for takeout, even for,

you know, I know this is a thing, there's articles about this, but like when you buy a coffee and then you pay with your card. Yeah, you know, You know, it is a little bit much.

Because you hate clicking no tip. Right. But it's like you poured the black coffee into the cup, right? So. Well, yeah. And the presentation of it is very much like, are you a good person or a bad person? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So that's why I try to just do the standard like regard. Yeah. So anyways, the chat, please weigh in on the comments. I read every comment. So please, please weigh in. Tip tap. Yeah, weigh in with your ideas for the name of this app. I mean, it could just be cash app or, or, right.

I don't think you need a new app. We, we do need, make it accepted to use those things. We do need something universal, though. Like, the thing is so some people use Zell. Are you familiar with Zell? Zell's like, there's, we got work on this. You got to go into your, your bank account app, log on the Zelle that. Yeah, that's, that's, and then you have to type in the person's name and it becomes a whole thing.

It's way too personal at that point too, right? Better just tap their tip. Hold on just like phone number to phone number or like code or, you know, I mean, Venmo is the most effective, right? You have a code for the person. That's, that's the way to go or a QR code. But yeah, we need a universal money transfer app that we can all use. feels like a pitch for your startup well there's there's

there's there's too much diversification in this business right we need to win now we're against diversification yeah we need to monopolize this so yeah okay oh you have one more yeah but it's not a good one okay we don't have to do it we can save it for another time thank god for brice huff your birthday's coming up

Yeah, Monday. Give me, here's my, here's my question then. This will be my question. What's the, what was your favorite birthday as a kid? Birthday party? Favorite birthday party as a kid. As a kid, like as a little kid? I mean, it doesn't have to be.

I had good times going out, like going up and stuff. But as a kid, I remember going to put putt, putt golf. right across the street from Jardell Playground, our people from our viewers from Northeast Philadelphia. Yeah, there's a car dealership there now. But yeah, put foot golf. I think I was first grade. I like that.

Big group? Yeah, it was like my class, family, cousins. Yeah. How do you guys feel about the, like, do you invite the whole class? It's a tough one there. Yeah, it's become in vogue to do that. I don't like that. you don't like that no it's hard because the places if you so like if i think you got to i think

you either keep it very relatively small like we're like a handful of kids or you invite the whole class if you're doing it at at your house or like something you know at a park or sure that then you're like inviting the whole class yeah is doable but man like these parties are expensive parties are expensive i know but then to single to like single like five kids out or you're not going to invite that's tough yeah we We just went through this. You hope for some, you hope for some cancellation.

Yeah. No, we just cut. We just said that there's the, yeah. It's tough. Got five kids. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. So like, you know, you picked a select few and then don't talk about it in school. Yeah, we've been inviting the whole class.

And it's tough, man. It's been a conversation piece. And I lost that one. Money, big topic on this episode. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, listen, Emily. if you want to invite the whole class, I got to go to five below for that gift card for that. Yeah,

or Mother's Day present, yeah, or anniversary present. Or I got to raise no book next year. Yeah. Yeah, true. True.

Okay. Anything else we want to talk about? What's your favorite birthday? Yeah, I feel like you wanted to be. Oh, no, I didn't have one in mind.

Probably medieval times is what comes to mind. You did a birthday party at medieval times? Well, not the whole class. This was like, you know, probably four people,

maybe, four or five people? You've not me. I feel like you've, how many times are, Realistically, six or seven? Wow. Wow.

I've actually never done it. I love that garlic bread. I can't wait to. I'm going to maybe try to take Casey this summer. Nice. Yeah, fantastic. I did that last year. I told you.

I know. He did the party bus. He's hyping up the garlic bread. And yeah, my brother's for a lot. Yeah, it's just a very normal piece of Texas toast. I remember this garlic bread being like epic and the whole way up. I'm like, guys, guys, you're going to love it. I was like, don't eat a snack.

right now because this garlic bread is going to be awesome. And I don't know, maybe I, either it went downhill or I forgot, I overrated how good the garlic bread was. It was just, it was like, just microwaveable garlic bread, it seemed like. Yeah. So, yeah, that was a boss. Before we go, we should mention, you know, we've got the P. H.O.Y golf event coming up on June 14th, which you can sign up for.

There's a bit of an extra hook that you can sign up. up for. If you go and check it out, you can join Fran Duffy's Forsom. Ah, that's right. Yes. So if you want to play golf with Fran, talk about doing guys in the middle of a for some, it is there for you to buy. Very exciting. Very exciting. Yeah, that'll be, I mean, we're a couple weeks out. So that'll be, that'll be a lot of fun. Now, I'm going to be, I am also going to be playing. It's just, it's a closed, it's a closed for some. Who's in your for some? You got, you know,

like to know. You got a group? I got a group. Saturday, June 14th, Valleybrook Country Club, 2 o'clock shotgun start, the second annual PHLY Liberty Open. Come play with Fran. How's your game? Have you played? I haven't played at all. Me neither. I'm hoping to get a round in this weekend. So, okay. Yeah, the next couple days. I'll be out and I'll hopefully get one more round in before before the Liberty Open. So, okay. Yeah. If I can get like, I usually, I usually start. Yeah, beginner. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You haven't, you don't have any bad habits right away.

Start the summer on hot streets. So I'm like, all right, hopefully play a couple rounds, shake the rust off. And I'm playing pretty well by the time we get to Valleybrook. ZB looks the most comfortable. He's been in a while. Have I looked uncomfortable in the past? No, I don't know. I mean, it's been a, it's been a few weeks since I've been.

I think the Carolina Blue is new, right? No. Have you done the Carolina Blue? Yeah, a few times. Okay. All right. Yeah. Belich.

Yeah, a few times. Well, that's not for that. Maybe Jordan, which are drawn. Great story, by the way, by Zach Kiefer today on Pablo Tor. I'm sure you check that out. But,

no, I haven't been, I've been made fun of as much during the past few weeks, so I feel a little better about that. Could be that. I think you ever made fun of that much? Chat,

way in. So, made fun with. Ah, with, okay. Yes. How do you feel about tipsy is the name of the app? Tipsy?

Yeah. I was in the chat. I understand you that you guys have minds that lead you, that, you know, lead you into middle school, uh,

sex ed class, but like to me, um, tip tap is is, Andrew is losing it. I, I still think it is,

I didn't put together. any innuendo until you I made it seem that way to me that's like you just tap your phones and that's how you get the tip to tip tap but in any effect tipsy's gum I'm cool with tipsy

it's like there's a barbershop app called Booksy have you heard this yeah so Booksy I suppose that I think we have one other super chat that came in under the wire here before we get going Joe Rockhead. The chat did a guess on Franz.

There's a few here. Can you reveal? How much do you tip a haircut? Oh, we got a lot. Oh, yeah, we got a lot. Oh, yeah. Oh, geez. Okay, hold on. Joe.

Bo, you owe Zach an apology for the voice thingy. You have an underlying hurt there. You must get out. I feel like there was a line crossed there that we have not crossed him on the show. Really? Yeah. You never does a sound. Oh, please.

I do my own voice like that, too. You do. Yeah. I mean, it was that. That was not a Zach voice. That was a, well, actually, let me correct you voice. It was a Melvin. Yes.

I'm sorry, Zach. I love you. I will not apologize for that. Polar Jam. In theory, ZB, a fillet will garner a larger tip than a burger, but the server did the same thing, but you would tip more for the filet. Took the order. I guess Polar Jam is a couple things.

Yeah, so I actually thought about this polar jam. The go boxes and bags. Yeah, if I can respond to this, I thought about this, this poor jam. And my understanding is that like the, the hiring process, if you will, for let's say like a nice steakhouse is different than for like the neighborhood pizza shop. Right. And so I think like there's a at the restaurant where they have the fillet,

there's a certain expectation for what the service will be like. No, but at the same restaurant. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's say you order a $15. dollar burger or a $40 steak. Yeah. And look, this is something that I, I've thought about in the past because in Millie, I'm not a big drinker, right? And so, like, I say, like, waiters and waitresses must hate my table because, you know, we're not,

we're not racking up the alcohol tab the way some other people might, right? And that's, that's like the surest way for a bigger tip is because you get, you know, some of these cocktails are going to, you get like three of them. Boom. That's a huge tip. Yeah, I've thought about that because I am like a standard percentage tipper, right? I guess that's the luck of the draw, but it's a valid point forward, Jan. Okay.

And then my POV life, how much do you tip a haircut? Typically five books. Is that? Depends on the price. Yeah. They've gotten more expensive lately. Yeah. But I overtip my guy.

Okay. Now, should I tip more? I don't know how much you're paying for the haircut? What's your haircut tip? Like about 20% or the closest round number?

Okay. Does it matter if it's the owner of the shop or not? That's something I saw in the chat. What do you think, Andrew? I tip, I mean, I've had the same barber. Yeah.

I tip $20. You tip $20. On top of what I'm doing. On top of the... A $45 haircut, yeah. I want a $45er. Wow. Good for you, man.

You know, you get good service each time. Yeah, of course. I'm the same way. Yeah, you're paying for, you're paying for the repeated camaraderie. Yeah. Yeah. It's an investment.

Wow. Okay. I got to help my, my barber's the man. I got to tip them. I got to, more money coming out of that greeting card budget. Yeah.

And then, Fran, do you want to reveal your birthday? Um, did I say what day it is? I think you, I think, did I say it?

I don't know if I say. I said, I have it coming up. Yeah. I'll be close to 40. Team June. They're close to 40. Oh,

I thought they were guessing what day you're... They were, they were guessing which, they were guessing the age. Like what year, what I'm gonna be... Oh, okay. So...

35. Yeah, above that, north of that. Okay. Close to 40. I don't get bothered by, like, birthdays and age.

Yeah. A lot of people do. Me too. Yeah. I'm 39. Yep. Damn proud of it. I'm proud of it.

Not 39 yet. Got a few months left before I'm 50. A couple days. Before you're 50? 40. In theory, but yeah, I'm 40. Okay. All right.

Good stuff, everybody. That'll do it for the P.HolI Eagles podcast, the Bryce Huff episode. Figure out how the Eagles will move on without Bryce Huff in their lives. We will be back on Monday. We're going to be at the Brian Dawkins golf event. So that'll be a lot of fun. A little road show. and then Tuesday, I believe, we will get another chance to watch Eagles practice.

So we'll have he covered from all angles on that. For Fran and Zach and Andrew for making it all happen, we thank you for watching and listening. We'll talk to you on Monday. And as always, we love you. Like the mayor.