PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - That’s a wrap on Eagles training camp! Plus, Mina Kimes on Jalen Hurts’ MVP chances

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

The Eagles wrapped up training camp in the rain Wednesday as they prepare for the final preseason game of the summer as Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, Dallas Goedert, DeVonta Smith and Jalen Carter begin to turn their attention to the season opener against the Dallas Cowboys. ESPN’s Mina Kimes also joins EJ Smith and Bo Wulf to discuss Tanner McKee, Cooper DeJean, Jalen Hurts’ MVP chances and more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by DoDat Dental and True Mark Financial Credit Union along with Xfinity. It's Bo Wolf. It's E.J. Smith. And we are here. Happy end of camp, E.J. How you doing? I'm doing well. The end of training camp is always a little bit bittersweet. You know, obviously, I still think now I'm getting like graduation goggles about it because it's over. I still think it might be my favorite time of the year. You know, it's just you're watching football practice or something special about that to me. It feels like one of the few times in our jobs and I'm like wax and poetic, like, oh, so great that we get to do this. Sure. And it's, you know, you get to watch the game, but the fans get to watch the game too. It's the one time, aside from being in the locker room, which is also very important. But you are football-wise, the eyes and ears of the fans. And you get to watch a full practice, which is something that we don't get to do very often.

So I'm sad to see it go, but I also am excited for both the routine and just like, I think it's time for us to start watching some games. I agree. It's time for us to get to the main course here. So I am excited, but also a little bit sad to see training camp behind us now. Now, I do have to begin today's show, EJ, with a Moa Culpa. This is on me. I got to apologize to the audience. I did make a pretty big mistake yesterday on the show.

And that is, I forgot to check my calendar. I forgot that it was Harrison Bryant Day. So let's take a minute now to appreciate Harrison Bryant. E.J., how did he look at practice to you today? He was not at practice, so therefore I couldn't tell you how he looked at practice. You'd have to ask the Houston Texans, that question. All right. Well, that wraps up Harrison Bryant Day on the PHY Eagles podcast.

Very exciting stuff. Okay. Today's practice, E.J., relatively light, mostly shells for this team. getting ready for the preseason finale on Friday, but we will still talk about it. We're going to get into some of the AFC, the NFC potential trades we can imagine Howie Roseman making later in the show, and then in the middle of the show,

we're going to talk to Mina Kimes about a bunch of different Eagles-related topics. But let's start with today's practice, EJ. What were your takeaways? It definitely was an anticlimactic end to Eagles training camp. You could tell pretty much from the minute you got out to the field. It was a dreary day. You noticed the pads weren't on. It kind of felt like it was going to be a glorified walkthrough, I would say.

And I mean, practice did start with a walkthrough. It was a very slow start to practice. I actually fell for the okey-doke with Jahan Dotson because he was hanging out with A.J. Brown and DeMonte Smith off to the side during the beginning of practice, only to then find his helmet and rejoin practice for the actual practice. A lot of people commenting that this was another case of E.J.'s letting him down. No, it wasn't my eyes letting me down. He didn't have his helmet.

He was hanging out with the injured guys. And I said, it doesn't look like he's going to practice. It didn't look like he was going to practice. But still, you know, I owned up to the mistake. Accountability is important. Sure. Especially in this field. So I issued a correct.

Where does it rank on the important abilities, do you think? Accountability. Yeah. Honestly, I might say accountability is more important than availability. For this job or all jobs? In life, I would say. showing up is like half the battle but like being accountable for your mistakes might be more than half that battle yeah but what if what if you are late to work every single day but you

always come in and apologize for it oh well that's not accountability then I hate that I hate like a weaponized sorry like you apologize for something and you have no intention of not doing it again okay that's that's not accountability that's fake accountability okay so so so So accountability in this sense is actually improving the things that you can around. Yeah, accountability is like owning up to your mistakes and trying to fix them. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, John Dotson did practice.

How about adaptability? Adaptability, it's probably like, you asked me who the sixth most important person in my life was yesterday. I think adaptability is probably around that six spot. Okay. Yeah, it's important, but I mean, you're talking to a guy. I guess right now it feels like it's important for me, you know, job, new situations all the time. But yeah, I don't think adaptability is as important as accountability, especially in this

field. Okay. Back to practice. Although I did have the temptation to completely derail us from the onset here. I asked you right before we went on, do I look like somebody who would be a second screen guy? Not do I look like somebody who's a second screen guy? Do I seem like a second screen person?

I don't have a strong opinion on this. that may surprise you I could see you using it going second screen I am like a chronic second screen user like you're fully watching two things at once yeah yeah usually there's like an idol sporting event on the TV yeah and I am watching something on my phone

yeah I don't think I find when I do that I'm not happy with myself that I'm doing that I don't care but yeah I mean if the if the TV if the game on the background is like that is the background you're not attempting to actually watch the game I don't think that's that that's not that bad. When I was young, like, I used to, like, play Madden on the computer and watch something on TV at the same time.

And the old, older people in my life would be, like, appalled. They'd be like, what is this? But would you ever do this with, like, a movie? A movie I've seen before. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Not a new movie. I wouldn't, like, this is kind of like the audiobook conversation we had last week, where it's like I wouldn't say I watched a movie if I was on my phone the whole time.

I would hope not. Yeah, because I didn't watch it. That would not be a. accountable. Exactly. I have a new opinion on the audiobook thing, by the way.

Here's the thing I've decided. Okay. I think if it's nonfiction, you can say you read it. I think if it's fiction, you didn't read it. You listened to it.

I feel like the more I've thought about it. If you're just getting the facts, I don't think that... I think it's okay. I don't think it really matters. The more I think about it, the more I feel like

if you listen to the audiobook, you can say you read the book, but like only in a setting where you're just trying to get move on with that like you wouldn't be like i read this book and then go on and on about how great it was to read that book like i think it's an it's an admissible miss miss speaking yeah it's an it's an omission yeah yeah someone's like oh did you read this you say oh yeah i right yeah i think that's fine just keep it moving you know you don't want to derail a whole conversation

about yeah because i did listen to some of the a song of ice and fire series on audio book but it was like a hybrid situation i read and listened how did you keep it your place. Oh, it's not that hard. You just, like, I've read that, read that, read that, it's not that hard. All right. That's the end of the Eagles training camp. Good stuff. All right. What was important, what was interesting to you from today's practice? That, you know, it was, it was very light. Okay. And actually, you know what? Let's start with, let's start with the injury situation. Okay. We had a little bit of information on the two guys who left practice yesterday. Yeah, so I would say our guesses for both of them were relatively close. So, uh,

Andrew McCuba, we thought it was a left hamstring injury. It was a, he was listed on the injury report with a hamstring injury. Johnny Wilson was listed with a knee slash ankle injury, which does not bode well for him. Sounds like one is in the place of the other. His knees where his ankle was and his ankles where his knee is. Well, it's funny because I was wondering if it would be knee or ankle based off of the way that he came off. But yeah, the fact that it's both, that's pretty ominous. It's like, is it a sprain for both?

Is it something more serious? So I don't know the severity of it. He's got nankles. Nankles? Knee slash ankle. I'm aware of cancels, but not. Yeah, these go higher. Nacles is even more, more extreme.

Built like a, built like a Lego. Straight line down. I don't know what to tell you about this. Nankle. Oh my goodness. this has been a really incredible 10 minutes for us. I don't know the severity of Johnny Wilson's injury here. Johnny Wilson,

the same again. Built like a Lego. He's got an ankle. What exactly would build like a Lego even? I don't know. They're like straight. Like, you know, that there's no definition between the knee and the calf and the ankle.

It's just all in one cylinder. Imagine if you're Johnny Wilson here. Right, poor guy. Maybe his season's over. Well, again, we don't know the severity of it. But this feels like it's headed toward an IR stash for Johnny Wilson. Even if it is not the most, even if it's not like a season ending thing, even if it is, you know, multiple weeks. Why he kind of felt like he was inching toward that roster bubble anyway?

Why not? Anaya Smith had a similar situation last summer. They put him on IR at the start of the season. and I feel like, again, with how crowded that room is, I think it would make sense to have Johnny Wilson as the IR stash this year. I think that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. As for what happened in practice, one thing that was interesting, if we're just, we're tracking who's probably going to play in this game and who's not. I can see, like, the actual tears coming in like from that. You've had to white from your eyes here.

Renezy, cry. All right. Do you find it interesting that, Matt Pryor is not going to play in this game based on the way that they were doing things in practice. I mean for... And Kendall Lamb is. For all intents and purposes, Matt Pryor feels like the, you know, name it, whatever, Fred Johnson from last year. He feels like the sixth offensive lineman.

Now, it's funny you mention that because it is something that is one of my big picture takeaways from training camp. And today was sort of, it sort of underscored this takeaway for me. Like I went into training camp wondering if the Eagles linebacker depth would be good enough and not overly concerned about the offensive line depth. And coming out of training camp on the complete inverse where I'm watching, you know, Matt Pryor and Brett Tooth on the left side of the Eagles offensive line with the starters. And I'm watching guys come through unblocked. I'm watching, you know, a lot of plays that end up with Jalen Hertz needing to leave the pocket. And it is just, it's, we talked about it yesterday, but it is so rare that the Eagles have. have had those situations where you don't feel good about number six, number seven,

number eight on that depth chart, the way that you really, I don't have a lot of confidence in those guys going into this season. Like, I don't think, if you told me that Matt Pryor was like the first guy up at guard, I probably would say, okay, like you could talk me into that. I do think there's a difference with him at Guard and Tackler. Yeah, I think especially, you know, the last few days that left tackle, he has just not looked confidence inspiring and they don't really have another answer. So, yes, it does surprise me.

I thought Kendall Lamb looked good during the early portion of training camp. You know, I actually was kind of talking myself into Kendall Lamb being that first tackle off the bench for a pretty good, for a pretty good duration during the summer. But yeah, he's kind of tailed off. I think both of those guys have tailed off. I don't think they have a good answer at tackle. I think, you know, we're going to talk about the 53 men roster a lot in the next week. I feel like the way that the veterans have played this summer makes me more confident that they're going to go young with the guys on the 53. And I guess you could call it risky.

these brisk the other guys, realistically bring the other guys back on the practice squad or after week one. So again, it's it's becoming like a yellow flag for me, the way that the offensive line depth has looked this summer. And conversely, like in my notes, I've got, you know, John Campbell comes through unblocked, get a sack, Smile Mondin gets a sack. Jeremiah Trotter has consistently looked good throughout the summer too. So I don't know. I feel like these things have flipped, not just from like what I expected going into training camp, but also realistically, like, just the way that the Eagles build their roster, it is a lot different this summer

compared to the recent memory. Well, it was interesting. We talked to Bobby King after practice today. And, you know, he is, he is gassing up everybody. Not any, you know, Bobby King is like very football guy. Yeah, he really. Right, you know, he's talking about Chad Campbell and he's like, well, you know,

I didn't know if he had arms. Like, typically guys come to me from college and it's like they don't have arms. Like, I got to teach him by to use their hands, like, you know, and destroy blocks. And like, oh, I don't know, I've been very impressed with the way he's used his hands. He's, you know, Smile Monton has flashed every day.

He loves Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Like, that's, that is a football player right there. That's great. You know, Zach Bond is amazing, but he can even still get better. All this stuff. And I'm like, so Bobby, like, in Philadelphia, we are not used to having good linebackers like this. Like, is it like that to you? Or do you feel like you have a stacked room?

He's like, well, don't say stacked. Don't put that on me. But, you know, it's clear. And then he's also talking up to Kobe Dean that, like, like this linebacking group is very good. Yeah. We'll see if they need that, right? You really only need two or three guys, knock on wood.

The flip side to that is when you've got an offensive line and there are five guys and it just takes one of them to get hurt and Layton Dickerson has had injury issues and Jordan Milata usually misses a little bit of time and the same goes for Lane Johnson. Those guys are going to need to play. I think they probably would like to feel better about that group than they do. Yeah, and it's funny hearing you describe what Bobby King said about that room, it's like, could they afford to borrow from that room with the trade?

But they really don't have like, your smile mind isn't going to have much trade value. Right. They're kind of like. Somebody going to be in love with Jeremiah Charter. Yeah, exactly. Like the interior evaluation of these guys is going to, they're going to be bullish on these guys in the Eagles building. But other NFL teams are not going to value them that way.

I mean, like maybe Nicoby Dean if, if and when he's healthy, but it's not something that's going to help you in the next week. So, yeah, no, it's interesting. I wonder, because the Jeremiah Trader Jr. thing, you know, I wasn't in on Bobby King today, but hearing him, you know, be effusive about Jeremiah Trader Jr. I mean, he has had a very good summer. And it's like, okay, I don't really know what that means for him in terms of, you know, fitting into the first team defense come week one. So yeah, I mean, I think there's a logic for why the Eagles have usually built it this way, but their offensive line depth is just not, it's not,

it's not up to what we expect for. Well, and I go back and forth. Like, yes, that is a, that is a real champagne problem, right? Most teams in the NFL do not have good offensive line depth. Most teams in the NFL are worried about their starting guards, right, or whatever it is. But it is different than the way we usually feel about this group, I think. I think that's fair. And what I would say is that you are totally correct. Most teams, like I was flipping through 31 other offensive line depth charts to try and find another Kenyon Green type, another guy with draft pedigree. Maybe you get him with Stoughton and he can work something, you know, kind of help somebody re-return their career around. But the thing is,

is like the Eagles do have probably better offensive line depth than most teams. They also build their offense around the offensive line in ways that other teams probably build their offense around your, you know, in spite of not having that level of offensive line talent. So it's really structural to like the way the Eagles operate. You know, you think about the passing game and how often they put those guys, the offensive tackles on islands. You think about the run game and just the fact that they are multiple in the run game.

It's not just zone runs. It's not just gap scheme runs. I feel like how much they put on those offensive linemen. Like it is important that they, you know, need that depth because you are going to be missing guys. And, again, I always think about Howie Roseman talking about the fact that the years that they, the bad years for the in Eagles history, usually come down to either not having a good offensive line or not having really the operative line depth, the guys you can lean on in week 10 and week 14. So again, it wasn't necessarily something that I went into training camp with big question marks about. but I'm leaving the summer with that on my list as things to, I guess, again, it's a talented team. You shouldn't really be waking up in the middle of the night and a cold sweat thinking about very much.

But I think on the list of things that you're already up, maybe you're going to the bathroom or something and you're thinking about the Eagles, that's something that you consider at this point. Just to say it specifically, the group that lined up like they're going to start the game on Friday was left to right, Kendall Lamb, Brett Tooth, Drew Kendall, Trevor Keegan, Daryon, So you get Kinard playing right tackle there. Maybe they want to see him get more reps there. But notably no, Nomad Prior. I think Kinard could be the one that makes us, you know,

never resurface these clips in a few months. Yes, I think that is hopefully what Stout is doing. I mean, they kept him around last year in order to, in theory, develop him to replace Fred Johnson. And he's played all over the line this summer. It's possible that he's the guy who answers these things. Yeah, but it is interesting.

Maybe they're playing him because they want him to get the snaps because he needs to get ready. But to me, like, I do think that Kinnard has probably the highest, maybe not the highest ceiling because of the rookies. But he is the one that, again, like I said, if you told me like, okay, like Lane Johnson is going to miss two weeks and Dary and Kinnard's starting at right tackle, I wouldn't feel great about it. But I could see a world where he looks competent in that. I think that's fair. Yeah. All right. What else from practice today?

No surprise. Another good Darius Cooper day. Yeah, like before the show, like, we're like, are we really going to keep gazing up Darius Cooper? But honestly, yeah, he looked really good again today. With the ones. Yeah, but say he's been getting a lot of snaps of the starters with DeVante Smith and A.J. Brown out.

You mentioned something a few days ago about how he gets more snaps of the ones purely because he has a versatility to play multiple spots now. Like he can play as an ex-receiver. Even though he's not the biggest guy, he has a profile that fits that ex-receiver role. I asked Jalen Hertz about Darius Cooper.

By the way, you know what we're going to say when we talk about What Jailen Hertz said about Darius Cooper? Oh, man. This is our bright smiles presented by Doudat Dental Group. The bright smile, of course. Goes to the star of the summer, Darius Cooper. I mean, how many of these has he gotten?

I feel like he's got a lot of sponsored segments, yeah. Yeah, Jalen Hertz mentioned the fact that Darius Cooper has really strong hands and that he's learning to trust those hands. There was a throw in traffic today over the middle of the field that Cooper plucked cleanly with Quinyon Mitchell, like draped over him at the catch point. and afterwards, like, Jill and Hertz came up over to Darius Cooper, and they were clearly talking about, like, you know, that was kind of nice, huh? Yeah, it was, it was an interesting, the Eagles had a couple of interesting routes today,

and I was standing, this is a veteran move by me, I'm going to give myself a little gas here. I was standing, like, next to the replay screen. Yeah, that's good. So I could watch the play as it unfolded, but then turn around and go, what kind of route was that? And it was like, I mean, Fran can help us with this when he's back, like, what to actually call this route? It's kind of like 10 yards vertical, and you round it off. to the middle of the field and then you snap it off

and come back to the ball. Okay. I don't know what. I mean, I wouldn't call like a spot route. I don't, it doesn't matter. Oh, the Cooper. Honestly, the way you ran it. Maybe you could name it after him. So yeah, he had a like a leaping catch. Again, like you mentioned, Quinion Mitchell was right there in good coverage. And Jihad Campbell was underneath. It actually kind of looked like Jahad Campbell was a little late getting to his assignment there.

But nonetheless, a nice catch from Darius Cooper. And he caught, he also come to touchdown pass against the Dory Jackson today on an out route. Yep. also with the ones so i yeah we've talked about it a lot he is on the team at this point like what are we doing um if and i really think it just comes down to i know we've had a little bit of a difference of opinion i haven't been quite as um as just like 100% about it i've kind of left room for him to not make it no room but see to me it's just like you can't have this guy making plays every single day in camp and then look at the rest of the roster and be like

he does not deserve to be on the roster. You know, like, I don't even like. I mean, I agree with you, and I've said that about other positions as well. And we talked about it with Darius Cooper. I just don't think like reality is catching up to people who, like, he's, he is on the team. He is a top four receiver on the team. And I think he is pushing Johan Dotson. Yeah.

I mean, he's a very good player. In terms of how he has played the summer, I agree with you. And I thought it was very interesting. You asked Dallas Goddard about, am I allowed to put the- Yeah, sure. Why not? He asked out, you asked Dallas Goddard about,

you know, if he could pick, if he had to pick one player to have a big season this year. And he mentioned Darius. Capadia. He mentioned Darius Cooper. Like,

I'll tell you what. And he's not the only one who's mentioned Darius Cooper. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Interesting. That'll be a good piece.

You have to become a diehard. $36 a year. Now is the time to do it. That story's coming over the next, um, over the next week, I would say. No,

I asked somebody on your behalf today. And I think I did a bad job asking. Who did you ask? it was Ty Robinson Okay I think I had already asked Ty Robinson after the game maybe Okay maybe well did he give you a good answer Uh

I don't remember Okay I think my mistake was I said if you could Pick one player And he didn't pick one Let me see if you had to If you had to pick one yeah Okay Got to do better job accountability

But yeah no Darius Cooper Another nice day And Anay Smith had a good day today too Yes that was the other thing I was going to mention Is that I feel like Anaya Smith has been putting up a fight in this, you know, if there is only one spot for the two of them, he had the two-point conversion on Darius Cooper's touchdown catch against Adory Jackson

on like, I mean, it was an out route from the slot. And it was actually against Cooper to Gene. Now, tough assignment for Cooper to Gene there. I don't think it was like he cooked him or anything like that. But he did, you know, he had the catch in the end zone. And then, yeah, he just, I thought he had a generally solid day. He had one play, though, where it did seem like he kind of fought the ball as he was catching it on a, it was near the sideline.

and he was falling as he caught it. And it just like, you just want to see him like catch it a little bit more cleanly sometimes, I feel like. Metschie had a similar one. Yeah, he had a drop today, did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, all right, keep Cooper DeGine in your mind because we're going to take a break to hear from some sponsors. And on the other side, we're going to talk to Mina Kimes about Tanner McKee, Cooper DeGine, maybe Dylan McMahon.

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All right. So here's where I want to start. Your latest podcast, you're going over all the quarterback battles, as most of them have been decided and you're canvassing the league for these like mid quarterbacks. Do you have a Tanner McKee opinion? I think that he would be the starter on three of the quarterback battle teams I talked about. I would see him winning in Indianapolis.

I think he would win in New Orleans. I think he would win in Cleveland. So does that qualify as a Tanner McKee opinion? I think so. Yeah. I mean, do you think that he would, you know, we've been debating the, like what the trade value would be. The egos are not going to trade him right now before the season.

And this would be more of an off-season discussion. But like, yeah, do you think he'd be worth a one or two? Not a one. Calm, calm down. It's interesting because of the timing aspect. Right now, I would, the three teams I mentioned, he would absolutely be worth a two. But as you said, they're not going to do it during the season because the Eagles are on a very different timeline from those teams. They have very different priorities, right?

They are in this to win the Super Bowl again. So he is arguably more valuable to the Eagles than he would be to most teams in the NFL because backup quarterback is more valuable, more important to them. However, if you wait until next off season, we'll see where those teams' records land. A lot of them are going to be in a position to draft a quarterback. So his value proposition goes down. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of, yes, somebody would trade for him.

Yes, certainly at least a mid-round pick. But I think the ability to get that much moving forward is going to be really dependent on what position those teams are in. I think my favorite potential fit is one that you would be kind of close to. And I think I got to give Nate Tice a shout out here because I think he's the one who mentioned it. Maybe in the offseason, the Rams, because if you're thinking this team is going to be good enough, they're not going to have a high pick, but they need a succession plan. You know, if they fell in love with Tanner McKee, maybe that could be a fit. Yeah, it's a fun idea. I've seen the Rams brought up as like a place for a developmental quarterback like an Anthony Richardson type.

But I think that the logic you just laid out makes a lot more sense to me. This is not a rebuilding team, right? Like they, the time for the Rams to draft a developmental quarterback was two years ago now. And yeah, the Rams, though, you said they don't have a pick. They do have the Falcons pick. Oh, I forgot about that. Oh, that actually adds. I know, right?

But that adds a lot of intrigue to they're playing on Monday night football, I think in week 17. I think it's the last Monday night game. And I was looking at it because we're, NFLI, we're on site for the Monday night game. So I'm looking at the schedule trying to figure out, you know, where I'm going to be at the end of the year when it's cold. And I first saw the first when I saw that game, I was like, oh, you know, like. Right. How much is this going to matter? But that certainly adds an extra layer of intrigue to it and really incentivizes the Rams to go out and win it,

even if perhaps they have the division locked up because. you know, depending on how things shake out with the Falcons, that could be a decently valuable pick. No doubt about it. All right. Go ahead, E.J. All right. Shifting from the Tanner McKee chat. Yeah, we got enough to. Somebody who we might see on the field a little bit more than Tanner McKee this season is Cooper to Jean.

Meena, I want to ask you about the second cornerback spot opposite Quinion Mitchell on the outside. We've seen Cooper to Gene start to get some snaps there in the Eagles base defense. Vic Fangio did mention that that does not mean that he is necessarily going to be a full-time outside cornerback for them. I think some things would have to happen, both at nickel and on the outside. I'm curious, though, what your, I guess, projection for Cooper to Gene playing on the outside would be based off the tape he saw from him in college and what we saw from him in the nickel last season?

He, based on what we saw in college, can absolutely play outside. I think the problem for Philadelphia is he is already one of the best nickels in the NFL, right? So do you want to shake up a good thing just to compensate for? maybe the only hole in this entire roster. You know, the Eagles are primarily going to be a nickel, so it's not going to be like a massive number of snaps we're talking about. So I guess I don't have an issue with it situationally,

but for the most part, I think Cooper should be a nickel first and foremost. Nichols also just so important in today's NFL, and you really saw that at the end, right, particularly against a team like Kansas City in the Super Bowl. But, you know, to have a versatile, smart nickel who's outstanding, at defending the run, who's a great tackler, who you can also blitz. It's so valuable. It's so important.

So I wouldn't be thrilled if it was a huge part of how he plays. But, you know, CB2 remains the question. It's a big question. And they're trying to solve it. And yeah, I mean, it has been bad enough this summer that now they have to flirt with the possibility of Cooper DeGine on the outside. But I don't think they have anybody they trust enough in the next. to do that full time.

Do you have a sense of like long term where you would like Cooper to be? Because there are some people in the building who think like safety, he'll be an all pro safety. You can also be, you know, an all pro caliber nickel. But eventually you would imagine,

you know, his agents are going to want him to be on the outside. That's where he can make the most money. It is, but should it be? I mean, nickel is based now. Right. Like so I think, you know, I think Trent McDuffie's contract might be

up. That's one to watch, although he's been playing. He was another one, though. I mean, I feel like I'm speaking both sides of my mouth. I thought he should stay in nickel. I think he is the best in nickel, but he was really good playing outside. They're pretty similar players in my mind. I think similar caliber as well. I think Dejean could be similar to McDuffie.

But, yeah, Devin Witherspoon in Seattle is the other one. There's a lot of guys who play inside, outside. And when you see the way cornerback contracts have gone, And really in the last just year now, they stagnated forever. And then we had the Stingley contract, the J.C. Horn contract, suddenly they're going up again. I wouldn't blame them. But if I'm their agents, I'm making a case that that position is just as valuable. It really, I believe it's just as valuable.

And again, think about like where offensive football is going with all the condensed formations, right? It's just, I don't know. I do not believe that there's a good football reason why a all-pro nickel should make less than an all-pro quarter. I really don't. I can also see that being attractive to the Eagles because they're going to pay Cooper-Degene what Cooper-Degine is worth no matter what. And if they pay him that as a nickel, they are also, they're raising the floor for the rest of the league for this position. They're resetting that market. And they don't have to deal with that because they've already got the best one.

Yeah, it's a problem that we don't have to worry about right now. He is in his second year. But yeah, that's going to be an interesting decision for him. The other thing I think is possible is that the Eagles find a corner solution long before Cooper Dachene's contract is out. I would hope so, right? Because, yeah, that would mean you have two or three years of substandard CB2 play, which I know they don't want.

Do you have a Jacorian Bennett opinion after his year with the Raiders last year? Yeah, you know, I was actually a little bit surprised by that from the Raiders standpoint, just because they're so thin in their secondary. And I think he's given you enough, and I liked him enough as a prospect to where they're, again, given the status of their secondary, it felt odd to me that they were going to move on from him. I know that they obviously also need help on the defensive line. But I would say with him, and again, it's all. relative. We're not comparing him to Queenie Mitchell. You're comparing him to Kili Ringo, right? And I guess Adori. Yeah.

Good in coverage. I think he can, he has good speed and athleticism and he is smart. I don't think he's complete in the way that maybe Vic Fangio would like his perimeter corners to be in terms of as a tackler and maybe we'll see it a little bit too much underneath. but I think he has probably a higher ceiling than those other two corners on the roster. I think that tracks. Yeah, I think that that's fair. I do wonder, from your perspective, Mina, like,

is there very many ways to insulate that outside cornerback spot that maybe, you know, a layman might not be aware of? Because it does feel like it's going to be hard if this, because again, this battle has been uninspiring for most of training camp. Nobody has really separated themselves. Is there a way to kind of compensate for the fact

that you might not be overly confident in that spot. Well, you guys know, obviously, they'll cloud safety over. They'll give whoever it is help. Teams will largely avoid Quinn and Mitchell. From a coverage standpoint, you can at least stop the bleeding. But teams are going to attack it. I think about Denver, right? And Patrick Sertan and, you know, last year when Riley Moss came back from the injury,

before he was injured, he was actually playing really well. But when he came back, I mean, that was just, and when he was out it's just the teams attacked it mercilessly there is some benefit to the predictability of it this is why and I know I'm kind of like contradicting what I said earlier

but why having a true shutdown corner on the outside is so valuable and I do believe that the Eagles have that in Quigin Mitchell you know what offenses are going to do it's going to be pretty obvious right but they're to me it just comes down to like who is the matchup if you're facing a team that really can put a 1A 1B type and you know the eagles don't travel with their quarters on the opposite side of the field that's going to be another interesting decision that they're going to

big fan geo if it gets so bad do you consider changing the way you utilize your corners more so that you can't get picked on that's going to be an interesting decision we have seen that this summer quignon has been following and and switching sides so my expectation is when when they play teams where that makes sense. We probably will see that with Quinyan this year. All right. I mean, I have a,

I have a stork rank for you. This is a, I'm going to ask you to rank these four things from least likely to most likely. Okay, you ready? Okay. Jalen Hertz finishes top three in MVP voting.

Okay. A.J. Brown leads the league in receiving. Okay. Jalen Carter wins defensive player of the year. Okay. And the Eagles miss the playoffs. Okay, least likely, hmm, oh boy. Okay, Jalen top three, A.J. Brown leads the league in receiving, you said.

Yeah, it's got it's very specific, yeah. Okay, Carter, DPOY, and then the Eagles missing the playoffs. Wow, Mina is predicting the Eagles are going to miss the playoffs. I wasn't ranking them. I was just repeating you. Oh, sorry, I was just, that was not my ranking. I was just, I wanted to like take, I mean, you could make, I think that's not unrealistic that that is the most likely in a couple injuries. Okay, so, all right, let's do this.

I don't think it's the most likely. I'm going to go so hard to win DPOI as a defensive tackle. Yes, yeah. He's so clearly the best player in that, or the guy. Okay, I'm going to go most to least because that's just easier for my brain. Yeah, yeah. I actually think Hertz MVP is the most likely of the three. I can see that, yeah.

I mean, if the team is really good and it's not the best team and he takes another leap year, yeah. Then I'm going to go, man, AJ doesn't get that much volume though. I'll go Jalen next, then AJ, then the Eagles miss playoffs. Wow. Okay. So you have no way they're going to miss the playoffs. Mina Kimes says the Eagles are not going to miss a play. Well, my God.

I know. I guess like if Jalen Hurts got hurt and I still think they would make the playoffs. They got Tanner McKee. They got Tanner McKee. Let me swap. Let me swap that one with I don't think AJ is going to lead the receipt. It's just not how it's hard. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that's fair. But else you got AJ. Um, Mina, we've spent a lot of time in training camp looking at the bottom of the depth chart wide receivers. And there is a cult hero that is starting to emerge.

I'm not going to ask you about the cult hero because, you know, that's pretty in the week. Yeah. Let's get me. his thoughts on Darius Cooper, here we go. But I do want to know if you had to build like a wide receiver four for this Eagles offense into the in a lap, a guy who can compliment the players that they already have and the system that they run. What would you be envisioning for that player?

I mean, I would really love, it's a great question because between, because A.J. Brown and Devante compliment each other so well. Part of me actually, which it wishes that, you could have more of like a really super twitched up slot guy so that you can just have Devante as the flanker to stretch the field and then the Eagles, you're just somebody who can just be a checkdown guy who can constantly get you like eight or nine yards underneath. But Devante could do that as well.

But I think that if, like, you know, like an Edelman type would be in my mind because I would just love what that would do for Devante Smith. Yeah, it's interesting. And I don't like Devonte like getting a lot of contact over the middle of the field. He's so efficient when he's in the slot. It's like that's like their superpower sometimes is putting him in there.

But yeah, I agree. You don't want him in there all the time. Yeah, I think just someone who can do like a lot of the dirty work. A blocker would be really nice. Somebody who's a good blocker. Okay. You know, Metchy brings to the table a little bit. Metschi, right?

That sounds like Darius Cooper to me. Yeah, I think Darius Cooper might be a household name at some point this season. Household name. I like that. Okay, two more quick things, Mina. I want to, we've been talking like fanciful trades. I kind of want to just make a Seahawks trade with you. Okay.

So what do the Seahawks need? Because I'm hoping we can borrow like a depth edge rusher from you. Oh, interesting. Seahawks have an interesting edge rush group, which is a Cheninuosu, it was just activated because they're like, they have a lot of really good players but no great ones at edge. Could we pry Derek Hall? Is that too crazy? Yeah, like that type.

No, it's not too crazy. They're pretty deep there too. I would say the Seahawks need I mean another receiver I know everybody's really excited about Tori Horton who's a CX fifth round traffic who's looked really good in the preseason

Derek call for Johan Dotson will do it I don't think that would be a guard a guard I mean I know Anthony Bradford's looked pretty good in the season the preseason for Seattle but You never feel good about the guard depth there, although, you know,

guard depth, I don't think that's something that Philadelphia. No, no, yeah. We're wanting over here as well. Yeah, it's a weird year. Yeah, I mean, I don't think Matt Pryor is going to move the needle for you there. Problem with Philly is like you, no team has a surplus of cornerbacks right now. Right. What we could do, you know, if you, if you liked Keeley Ringo coming out of the draft, maybe.

Not my player. Okay. All right, we'll have to get, we'll have to get back to the drawing board. Um, okay, last thing, I have to do this for, uh, our buddy Fran because he spent so much time, uh, in the draft process, talking about his favorite player in the draft. Our all city NFL, uh, analyst, Fran Duffy. How has Willie Lamkin looked? Oh, I got heard the last game. We did? I didn't know that. I, yeah. I was, okay, this is a funny one because, um, I, like, Rams preseason, which I call, I, I, I truly didn't know that they picked him up in free.

agency, right? I'm not keeping track of the UDFA signings around the league. Then you're looking at the depth chart for the first preseason game and I see him and I get really excited comes into the game and I'm like gassing him up to the point where everyone's like, are you really like this is the, you know, we're in the third quarter. This is an undrafted center. He's tied. Are you making fun of him? Yeah. Yeah. I was like no. Like I'm telling you guys. And I got a little grief for it. People were like, you weren't grinding with it. It's like, yeah, I wasn't. I was watching Omari in Hampton. like Drake May like all of us who do the draft have just watched a lot of UNC over the last couple of years because of those first rounders but watching o'marian hampton I thought I was I was like this kid looks unbelievable like I was so impressed by him and it's also just like so physically unique I mean when he's on the field it's just it's crazy really yeah and like centers are short obviously Philly is no stranger to that with Kelsey but like he is short right and he played so well in week one then a week two he got injured pretty quickly which was such a bummer so we'll see what happens

The Rams are in a unique spot because they actually have a ton of center depths. They brought back Coleman Shelton from Chicago and Bo Limmer, who started for them. Jalen Carter knows Bo Limer, by the way. And Dylan McMahon, my guy, Dylan McMahon. Dylan McMahon, yeah. So they have a lot of center depth. So I'm not sure what's going to happen with Lampkin, but I feel like he's going to get picked up somewhere. Okay.

Like that. We'll take that. All right, Mina, thank you so much. We're going to talk to you in a couple weeks. The great Mina Kimes of ESPN. Thank you so much. I guys hopefully know who's CB2 by then. Hopefully.

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And if that guy gets excited about something, then you know it's true football guy, just in the weeds. I feel like I haven't heard from Sean in a while. I don't know if there's anything behind that. Maybe we should have Sean and Cliff. Come on by sometime. You know, just bring the whole family back together, minus. By the way, I went to the lovely event. I didn't know if you wanted to talk about this last night.

Bookish notions in media to watch the great Tom McAllister talk about his book with Sheel. And I was persona non grata with the Capadia family. I'll tell you what. I mean, Nye was mean mugging me all night long. It's like that meme of like, you know, the meanest person. is like a teenager. I mean, she was just giving it to me.

It was like, felt like I was eating beans in the movie theater. I've never heard that expression. But let me just say, and I'm going to look into the camera again, Naya, this has nothing to do with you.

This has got nothing to do with the Capadio women. I told she'll, if she was using your words against me. I didn't say what you said. Listen, Naya is, she has,

her biggest fans might be in my family. My mother-in-law, is like single-handedly trying to get an eye to go to business camp. Like this, this. Listen, I'm a huge fan of the Capoddy girls. This cannot spill into the Capadia family. If this, if my feeling,

I told Sheel, if the Capadio women get involved in this, I will crumble. The pushover millennial will come out in full force, and I will never speak about it. It's good for, for Sheel though. I mean,

you've got, you like, he's got some great bodyguards. Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, they're part of team content already too,

aren't they? They know what's up. I'm not, I'm too afraid I'm gonna get beat up Yeah I think I think this is this might be the end of the beef I think no I mean cliff still we want you Yeah cliff and Sean for sure yeah So uh johan dotson today got by Zach Bonn in the red zone

For a touchdown catch and the route that he ran Again I was watching the screen so I got a second look at this The route that he ran raised my eyebrows more than a little bit Jahan Dotson's running a shallow crosser. And sometimes when you're running a shallow crosser, you can settle up in the middle of his own. It's called I. I think you call it a spot or sit, whatever.

He didn't settle up. He cut it upfield, got vertical. And it was clearly something that him and Jalen Hertz were on the same page about because the ball was out, Jehan Dotson wide open

in the back of the end zone for a touchdown catch. This to me, again, it's been a good summer for Jahan Dotson in terms of chemistry developing with Jalen Hertz. Just in general, he's had some nice.

moments, but this was more than just a Jahan Dotson reflection. This is like the Eagles offense showing me something that I haven't really seen from them in the past. And it got me excited. So I got to text in Sean, trying to figure out what do we call this. He didn't really have a good answer for me. He did send me like a picture of a play sheet, some obscure play sheet. But again, we were just making up words for what you would call this. But again, I would call it like a two-way go on a shallow crosser, like to snap it off. I mean, if you think about it, it makes sense, right? If this is the area of the field where they might completely vacate the middle of the field, and yeah, you do have a little, you have a little spot there. Yeah, I really like that.

I like, I like the wrinkle. We've seen some different things from the Eagles offense. We talked about some of the handoff variation that we've seen in the backfield, but this was something kind of emboldening a player to read the situation in front of him, find the open space, and yet resulted resulted in a touchdown in practice today. All right, I like that. That's cool. Yeah, no, I mean, happy to see you excited. I said it got Charm-Saiet. I'm excited. I mean, this guy... He was probably excited because you've seen it all. No, I asked him what his excitement level was, and he was excited.

Okay. Would you like to hear the rest of the trades from the NFC? I have 15 NFC trades. I would love to hear some of these. Where should we start? Let's start in division, some spiciness. Ah, okay. Dallas, the Eagles are sending Avery Williams and a fifth for Cavante Turbin and a seventh.

They need a good returner. What does that mean for our boy Darius Cooper? Nothing. He's still on the team. So this is just an airplane's just taking over as the, yeah, exactly. Okay. I mean, yeah, I like it. Some value there.

The Giants, we have found our developmental offensive linemen. Evan Neal is a backup for them, persona non grata. I like this one. Got the Alabama connection. The Eagles know all about them. They're sending Trevor Kagan in a sixth. Oh, I will, do you think that the giants? The Giants might do that just because of the Giants, right?

Like incompetence. probably be too scared to trade him to the Eagles. Yeah, if they trade Evan Neal to the Eagles, I liked Evan Neal. But he's a backup for them. I think Evan Neal is like a perfect reclamation project. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I like that one. Should I grade these? Should it be more, should it be more than a sixth? Probably. Yeah, I think you might need to bump that to like a fifth or a fourth. Not a fourth, no way. All right, a fifth. A fifth for Evan Neal.

Fine. I don't think the Giants would do it, but the Eagles would, and I would like that a lot. I think Evan Neal, there might still be a player there. commanders were tough but they drafted my guy Ben Sinit in the second round last year he could play a little fullback too

so this is this is some you get your tight end on a rookie deal and maybe he can do the Ben Van Sumer and stuff he trade Colin Granson in a fifth I'm not moved by that I feel like you're not upgrading commanders were tough yeah I think that's an upgrade I have another

I mean this one's very exciting Bears, Eagles are getting Devin Duverne for a sixth round pick. I'm looking for a returner. Texas guy. I like that guy. Lions, big one. We're sending Jeremiah Trada Jr. Ooh.

To the Detroit Lions to shore up the offensive line. We bring Coyote, I wish you go home. This is so on brand for you. I love the guy so much he named a drill after him. I don't think that's a good trade for the Eagles. They need help. Yeah, but come on. Jeremiah and Turner,

I mean, we just talked about him. Like, he's not going to have that much value from external evaluation. But no, that's too rich. Green Bay. Keeley Ringo in a fifth round pick for Christian Watson. Down their depth chart, but like the exact kind of theoretical Kwez Watkins player to stretch the field for the Eagles. Yeah, he's like a best case scenario on what you want to do in Kwez.

And stay healthy, but. I like that one. I don't think Green Bay does that one. Okay. This is a big one. I'm solving the fullback issue. Oh, God. There's no issue.

Leave Ben Van Sumer in alone. Lance Dixon and Ben Van Sumeran to the Vikings for C.J. Ham. I don't, I don't, what did Ben Van Sumeran ever do to you? They just don't use him. Yeah, but he's got special teams value. And he is like still a fullback. I don't know. It's not like them like upgrading that position is going to make them use it.

more? Maybe. They don't even line up under center most of the time. This is the one everybody's been waiting for. Oh, God. Atlanta Falcons, bring the local guy home. They want to. Kyle Pitts for Johan Dotson and Grand Calcutera. I feel like for my predecessor, I should pound the table for this one. I think I think that Kyle Pitts is an interesting player, though. I have to be honest. I feel like there's something there. I mean, the ego is definitely interested to some degree, just knowing Howie. I have another tie-down for you. Carolina Panthers.

Jatavian Sanders is coming here straight up for Keeley-Ringo. Another Texas guy. I can sign up for that one. I'm in. New Orleans Saints. Former day-two offensive lineman Dylan Radens for Trevor Kagan and Johnny Wilson.

I made this one before Johnny Wilson got those Nankles. The way that you laughed at Nankles is like, I thought it was like a mid-tier joke. You know, it's fine. But like the way that you, and you don't laugh at most of your jokes, the way that you laughed at that joke. Well, I'm imagining an ankle, you know.

I don't like that trade that much, but I mean, honest. And especially like, who are you putting in there except for Johnny Wilson? I don't know. Like, Metchy. You're not trading Metchy. Oh, can't trade Metchie. I mean, literally just got traded. They did that before.

I'm cooler on that one. Tampa Bay Bucks, just like we sent away, Sydney, Brown to play with his twin. We're bringing in Zion McCollum. Oh. And we're trading Adory Jackson and a sixth round pick. I like that one. I'm not sure that the bucks do that.

But. Yeah, I don't know why they would. Exactly. I still, like, Adori Jackson, to pull the listeners behind the curtain here, I have to collect the 53 man rosters soon, which means I've started really thinking about mine. Adori Jackson's going to be the player that ruins it for him. One way or the other year, I'm going to have him on and he's going to get cut. or I'm going to have him cut and he's going to start week one and I'm going to look like an idiot.

I just, it's been a tough, a tough read this training camp. I agree. Like, he has had like the Devin White summer where it's like he's been with the ones. Except that his reps have increased at the end here. Yeah, but he's like, it's like, okay, he's been with the ones a lot. Hasn't looked great at all. Yeah. Like, it's not like he's been confidence inspiring.

It's just the volume of reps with the starters are starting to become hard to ignore. Arizona Cardinals Jay G Need a tight end Elijah Higgins for A.J. Dillon straight up I feel like A.J. Dillon is like a Cardinals type running back

right? Yeah, I think so. James Connor vibe. Does A.J. Dillon really have any trade value? No. Yeah, it's like my cut guy for your cut guy. Yeah. Jonathan Gannon. They got the connection. The Rams? I don't know why I have What do I have here?

Trevor Kegan for something? for the 90th. I can't read my writing. Trevor Kagan, trade it to the Rams. For nothing. Seahawks. I'm going, I'm going, Derek Hall for Keelearingo in a fifth round pick.

Because of me, she didn't seem into that one. Yeah, she didn't sell that one for it. And then finally, the San Francisco 49ers, the Eagles are swinging a big deal here. For another failed 49th in draft pick? No. Oh.

Listen. We need, we need edge help. We need to reunite the Georgia defense. We are trading for Mikel Williams. Hmm. I don't know. And the newly signed Michael Dunn to

fortify the Eagles offensive line. Michael Williams and Michael Dunn and a first round pick for Jalen Hertz. For Jalen Hertz. I was wondering where you were going with Michael Williams being part of this deal. It's like they talked to that guy, what, three months ago? Yeah. But Jalen Hertz? Just

eat the dead cap hit. Start Tamer McKee? Yeah. Yeah, whatever. All right, sure. Sounds reasonable. Beautiful. What do we think? I mean, you get Michael Dunn.

That makes it worth it. I would say Michael Dunn is like the perfect, the perfect value in this trade. Yeah, that's what tips the scale. I mean, if anything, it makes it too rich for the Eagles. That's all we have for the regular portion of the show, but there's a little bit more to tune in in Bover Time. Second day in a row, Ethan got it.

And this time he got it right away. The Bover Time graphic, nicely done. What else you got in EJ? Um, I don't, oh, you know what, Moro Jummo had a really nice rep

against Kenyon Green. I know it's Kenyan Green, but still, it was just, the reason I'm mentioning it is because the technique on it was what stood out, not just the fact that he was,

you know, okay, able to beat Kenyon Green. He, like, lifted Kenyon Green's hand up and then just, like,

got underneath him and got right by him. And, you know, again, Kenyon Green matchup, not really a challenge for him, but he has been matchup agnion green matchup

agnostic most of the summer. He has been able to win against Lana Dickerson. Obviously, Tyler Steen, and Tyler Steen's looked good in other matchups. So I just, you know, speaking to Sean Syed,

one of his things he was talking to me about is like, well, is there a world where like Milton Williams, or sorry, where Moro Ojammo can kind of compensate for this expected regression from the Eagles defense by being better than Milton Williams, like by mid-season.

And I said, I think we might already be there. I think that he could be that good this season based off the training camp he's at. Even if Moro Ojima is somehow better than Milton Williams which that is still a stretch is it still a stretch. He's looked really better than... Sure.

He's looked awesome. To say he's going to be better is fine. Even if he is better to some marginal degree, that doesn't make up for the secondary being definitely worse. No, I agree. I think overall the Eagles defense is due for some regression. But I do think

specifically if you're looking at that, like situational can you be the one-on-one pass rush winner because you were playing opposite jalen Carter i think moro jomo has proven that he can do that and i yeah i do think that he can like whatever milton williams production was not just the production but his impact i think moro joanow can outdo that this season who would you say had the if i'm doing the ranking of based on their expectations coming into camp who moved the needle the most who you think of the worst summer? The worst summer.

I mean, like, some of the offensive linemen come to mind pretty quickly. Like, I think Trevor Keegan and Kenyon Green both. Like, we went into the summer wondering if Tyler's team was going to win the job, and nobody ever challenged him for it. So those two come to mind, I'm sure I'm missing somebody obvious here. But those two are- Well, you can argue given the stakes, Keely Ringo. And, you know, again, this is not he was the worst player on the field.

Keeley Ringo had some good moments. He looked about the same that he did last year, but the stakes of, okay, you have a chance to win a starting job versus now you're just sort of a special teamer.

You know, watching his tape toward the end of last season, I thought there's a lot to work with here. You know, there is a guy who, yes, needs some technical refinement needs to improve some areas of his game,

but I don't, like watching him last summer, he, like last season, there wasn't chaos. There wasn't big plays given up. If you told me two years ago, like, you know, that Seahawks game stands out as like a time

where there was maybe some chaotic moments. But I actually would go so far as saying he took a step back this summer. So I think that's a good one relative to expectations where we felt the Eagles wanted him to win this job. We're setting it up for him to win this job. And Adori Jackson was kind of just like the necessary like push for him to take it. I mean, the fact that like Mac Mac Mac Mac Williams and Jacori and Bennett have seemingly left above him on the depth chart.

No, I definitely think that he is a candidate for, you know, the biggest disappointment relative to expectations coming into the training camp. We have a super chat from Fresh Prince who says, how would you react if they cut Darius Cooper? I don't think they will, he says, and someone claims him. Would that evoke Dylan McMahon levels of frustration?

Yeah. Yeah. It would be worse. They're not going to do it. It's like, how would I react if they cut? cut, I don't know, Devante Smith. I'm not saying he's as good. I'm just saying both of those guys are 100% on the team.

Who is the actual equivalent, like inexplicable decision? Something they've done in the past or on this? No, on this roster. Give me a defensive equivalent. I mean, Smile Mondin. I was going to say, Drew McCuba. And I don't even think, yeah, I mean, that's it. Yeah.

Yeah, Smile Mondin's a good one. Like, I think he maybe even is hurt. Like, you know, he's good up in the team. I think like it's somewhere between Smile Mondin and Dream of Cuba because like Darius Cooper could play like a reasonable amount of snaps with the first team offense this year. Yeah. If they cut him, it's going to be another ISO bow. I mean. Yeah.

Is there a part of me that's rooting for that? Yes. It would be fun. As they then watch him go to the Pro Bowl. Who would pick him up? Whoever's who has the number one who has the number one way reclaim? Fair. Which is who?

Tennessee. Yeah, we should know that. Yeah. He goes to Tennessee. He's the starting wide receiver day one. He's the trail on Berks that they never. He's like, well,

who they want a trail on. Yeah. And he and Camel word waltz to Canton together. Have you noticed how much, I mean, we are really hammering the Darius Cooper thing. Have you noticed how much like A.J. Brown coaches up Darius Cooper.

Yes. It's like his little brother or something. He's not doing that for nobody. No, I mean, he literally isn't. Although he had the Anayas moment on YouTube. That's true. But he's not watching Anayas right now. He's watching Darius Cooper.

What does that tell you? It's hard to believe. I understand. I understand we sound ridiculous. Watch every practice. I guess I missed one practice. So is Keely Ringo your pick? I think probably given the state,

Keele Ringer or Kenyon Green, I think, are the two. Trevor Keegan belongs in there, too. I don't think he's been as bad. I mean, I don't think, I think, I think some people are being a little harsh on Trevor's. It's compounded. He's been pretty bad. And he also has not been able to show any positional versatility. The fact that he hasn't been able to figure out how to snap it. His snaps this year have not been that bad. Oh, he's had a couple days. Yeah, he's had some really bad days.

Well, then he, I guess, you know, he wasn't playing a ton of it. It's better today when he had to do it. You know, Brett Tooth did that a couple summers ago and he's still around. Yeah, but he's been cut a few times. And he also doesn't have the draft pedigree the same way. Or at least the draft investment. So.

Okay. I think he's in there. Thanks for joining us today, everybody. Tomorrow we will, what are we going to do tomorrow? I think we're just going to do more of this, the stock up, stock down. We're kind of teasing it right now. Okay. Yeah.

It's all pointing towards Tuesday's cut down day. We got the preseason finale on Friday night. In fact, we're going to talk to Ross Tucker on tomorrow's show since he's calling the game, get his thoughts on some of these bubble guys on the roster, and all kinds of good stuff. Thank you to Mina Kimes for joining us on this episode. Thanks for being there in the chat. Thank you, Ethan and Julia, for making it happen.

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