PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - The Eagles 26: Super Bowl Highs From Jalen Hurts, Nick Foles, Top 2000s Eagles | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

We move to the offensive side of the ball, where the likes of Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce and Jason Peters built a foundation on offense, superstars like Terrell Owens, A.J. Brown, Saquon Barkley, LeSean McCoy and Zach Ertz made plays with the ball and quarterbacks like Donovan McNabb, Jalen Hurts and Nick Foles excelled at the most important position. Anthony Gargano, Fran Duffy, ESPN's Tim McManus and Bo Wulf discuss who makes the cut on the Eagles 26. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to round two. The PHAY Eagles podcast discussion of the top 26 Eagles of the century. We are here in the Xfinity Den, presented by our friends at Ashley. We've got Cush. We've got Fran Duffy. We've got the great Tim McManus of the SPN. I'm Bo Wolfe. We're going to talk today about the offensive side of the ball

after getting into the defense yesterday. As everybody feeling? I'm curious. Like, this is going to be. I'm curious about your thoughts on the quarterbacks goes, but we're going to get there. Go ahead, friend. I'm sure that all of the discourse around our discussion is going to be perfectly

reasonable and no one's going to be offended by any opinions whatsoever. I think quarterbacks are going to carry the day. Yeah, so much meat. No, it's going to really care about how we rank. You know what's crazy? The old lineman on it. Loaded, yeah. I mean,

and I think receiver too. Running back. Running back is a good conversation. Lots of good stuff to get. Let's start a quarterback. But before we get to the top guys, I want to know if anybody wants to make the case for either Michael Vic or Carson Wentz belonging in the top 26.

To me, they are not in the 26. And I think it's tough to put them in the top 26. But I am interested to see how many of you guys, like I have Wentz above Vic. Did you guys, how did you guys view that? I have Vic above Wentz. Why is Vic about Winz? I'm the only one here

is you have Vic above Wentz too, right? I think part of it is obviously colored by the divorce and the way and affects how you feel about it. Certainly, Wences, 2017 is one of the most important quarterback seasons there's been

in the franchise of this century. Vick's 2010 pretty special too. Yeah. I could make a, I think you could make a case for when you get to the very back end of this list,

maybe that is when position value comes in and does Vick's 2010 Eke him in? I don't have him in 26 but the Wence Vic thing is fascinating the problem with Wence is that he was

done after he scored that touchdown against the land that was the peak but that was really the end of him as a good quarterback you remember when he came back he was okay

he was fine yeah Yeah, right. Like, he didn't see guys in front of them. You were, you guys were all in London, right? Like, do you remember that? What, guys were in front of him? He didn't see.

He became a completely different quarterback. Yeah, he had one year where he, you know, he guided all of those practice squad players. You know, late rally in the season. But, you know, but to your general point, like, he peaked very early. Once the injury happened, he never was the same. And if we're being honest about it, like parts of the locker room rejected them. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's the big part of the story is that lasting impact, the ability to connect with teammates, things that. But I think there is something who said for the fact that Michael Vic had shady Deshawn, Jeremy Macklin. Shout out Big Bob Davis and like Paul Turner. I talk about the locker room. Who, I don't know that I have ever seen anybody in the locker room garner the same amount of, like, like respect from his peers the way that everybody looked at Michael Vicks. I mean, yeah. Here's the joystick, the human joystick.

They, I mean, they worship. Yeah. So that year, right? This is a fascinating time because it happened. Got announced during the preseason game. Yes, I remember. Yeah, right. Press box, I had to go.

I did interview, just grab Ike Reese for a quick interview because he played with him in Atlanta. It's like, we got to get stuff up right now. Right. Yeah. And it was like, wow, the world's stuff. Because Mike was such a big story coming out of prison. I will never forget that first press conference. It's absolutely jam-packed.

It was like the center of the world. Yeah. Unbelievable. He was so interesting. That time was so interesting. So because of his parole stipulations, you couldn't go out. so we used to take him Mr. Tony who still has a lot of eagles

go there with his restaurant for Roma he had the place on the on Delaware Avenue the restaurant right on the water and on the pier I'm sorry now come on my God Laveranda

Okay so Tony had Laveronda and Bochee and Big Dom we would all go to Tony's because he was able to hang out quiet, you know, you can have a place of wine, whatever, right? Like you hang out, I have a nice feel,

steak, you all. And so, we wound up doing that every week, and I got to know him pretty well, and I did a story, I went with him, he spoke to a bunch of, because part of this, the other stipulation was he had to do his public service.

So I spent a day with him going to these different schools and different community things and talk about the whole thing. And he was an interesting guy. And one of the things that he said was, I wish, and he said it over and over again, I wish I had Andy Reid as a coach because he taught me how to play quarterback.

I didn't know how to play quarterback until I came to Philadelphia and worked with Andy. He was actually the most approachable quarterback that I've ever covered. I agree. That's a great, I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I wouldn't have necessarily expected. I didn't know what to expect, but you could walk up to him any time, any place, and ask him about anything.

Like, yeah, I remember once I was like, hey, Mike, can you tell me about like your first night in prison? And he's like, yeah, you know, armor and like, whatever. Like, nothing was out of bounds. And he was so generous with his time. And to the general point of the way that his teammates felt about him, I still remember it was my first year on the beat was 2010. They had the miracle at the New Meadowlands. Shaw Jackson returns it. but when you got into that locker room,

it was all about Vic. It was the only time that I've ever seen a group of peers channing another player's name on the team. It was Michael, Vic. Michael, Vic, like, through the showers, through the lockers. And I was like, this is unbelievable. That they looked up to this guy.

I still remember, like, Sean McCoy, all those guys. That was their idol who came into play and they just couldn't believe that they were sharing the field. He was bigger in life. Yeah. He was, you know, obviously this cultural, being, like, shoot. And then what happened,

and the whole thing, he was such an, and what you're right. And not, yeah, not for nothing, the way that he played on the field as a quarterback that year. Yeah. As electric of a season as we've ever seen.

I mean, you guys may have swung me. I'm not gonna lie. You may have swung me. Yeah. I think I think you guys. I mean, I did my, my rough list.

He did in my top 26. Wow, really. Yeah, he makes it to like 24. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. I just, that impact.

That's the position too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And by the way, the first chip that game against Washington that Monday was, I don't, you guys, think about it. Did you ever see anything where life imitated a video game? Right.

53 plays. Yeah. In the first half, that was college-esque. It was big play and chunk play after chunk play. But then even I think the Washington Monday Night Football game, too, like the, yeah, play action. to DeJohn, where it hits Macklin down the right side line

in the same game. Yeah, yeah. He was an interesting player because he was a wrist thrower. Yeah, flick of that wrist. And it was beautiful.

Yes. It was catchable. He zip. It had everything, which is so, you know, I'm fascinated by how you deliver the ball. Some guys are leg throwers.

Some guys are armed guys. Yep. And he's a risk guy. Some guys get their power elsewhere. that's where Nick Foles come let's talk a bit about Nick Foles where do you rank a guy who delivers

on the biggest stage and gives the franchise its first Super Bowl by playing one of the best games in Super Bowl history also by the way has like just earlier in the year in his career

has an amazing season where he's first in the league and you know quarterback rating set the record to set the record right so he gets that just to sort of get conversation and then

is a hero forever. How do you rank a guy? You've got to be in the top 26. Kizel for sure. Yeah. Like when I look at quarterbacks, I have two.

You have him two. Oh, man. All right, let's get in this. It's going to get Jersey. I don't know how did not put it to. I don't know how Matt, because he was the opposite and five, right? Like, five didn't deliver. Who do you have one? Jalen? Okay.

Does anybody want to make the case for Donovan as one? My, I know you're going to. My gut when I first like, I was like, yeah, I made that one. But then as I sat with it, I was like, no, like Jalen, Jalen is one. But I couldn't get there. I'll go tell the time. I don't want to be like anti-Dolvin because Donovan. Yeah. was a very good player. But you want to go first? You want to go ahead. So what I did,

if you look at Donovan's career and his career art, he had 2000, he makes, again, this all preface is he didn't have a lot of weapons around him. Right?

We know the difference. But he had 2000, and you know, they got to have playoffs against Giants. Yep. Right? He got 01. you got O2

NACTA's terrific At the end of O2 Arizona we remember the fractured ankle finished the game right? Yep All thing

AJ Philly comes in and first Detmer on the Monday night San Francisco then A.J. Philly and you know like he had

success like Andy was Andy could win with backoffs right like so you know I lot you know Jeff Garcia had success right

and this isn't to take anything away from Donovan but man 04 he was sensational with Tio and even his Super Bowl he missed

he's got he missed throws he's got Westbrook on a wheel route wide open and he missed it and he comes off the field and he's like

and he's like what happened he's like while the wind took like and then after that moment what was his career

he had 08 where he was a slog the tie against Cincinnati. Gets benched. He gets benched. He comes back has a nice little run. Yeah.

Right. But after 04 to when they trade in the Washington, what did he do? That hurt a lot. So the big, the performances in big moments is obviously what holds him back from being like the all-timer, all-timer. But I don't think that there's any question that he's the best quarterback in Eagles

history if you're looking over the whole view of it. I mean, you had Nick Foles who had a great, over a great moment. And yeah, Jalen Hertz, you know, we can get into it, but he's been blessed by a magnificent roster, magnificent. And I think that if Donovan had a similar roster over the course of his career, you could certainly make the argument that he would have gone to even further heights. And his heights included five NFC championships. So I feel like he came in, and obviously Andy Reid is a huge part of this, but he came in and made Phil, Philadelphia Eagle football something different from what it had been in the previous generations. Agreed.

That's a good point. Yeah. And I think he's the best quarterback of all time. And this, I know that this is probably going to be unpopular based off of what you guys are saying, but I have him as number two on the list overall. Wow. I don't find that to be crazy.

I mean, I think I have an unfair distinction here where I think I agree that Donovan is the best quarterback and yet I find myself leaning towards Jalen on a ranking like this because you're giving value to two Super Bowls, a one-one, he's made the most

of those opportunities, lights out in the other one. It's impossible to not think and agree with you that if Donovan had this roster, he would have won a Super Bowl to. The only problem, the only problem, is that he was not a group.

How do I? You don't often think before you speak like this. Well, here's the problem. I lived this story. I was embedded with him. So I remember some of the conversations around him and about him as a quarterback. And when we talked about this yesterday when I said that one of the things that Andy said with the difference of the Super Bowl is they had 12 and we had five. and there was meaning behind that

because he did dial up that play and that was and he did not like he was late on he had a great arm great arm and he early in his career

when he ran he was incredible like big strong but he I still think he should be better I think he had a great offensive line and they set him up man

like they set him up and this is different he also comes to the time where this was the pre-quarterback is the OC on the field, like the pre-Patant Brady, like even though they're temporarily, Peyton comes a little bit afterwards, there's more on Manning, more responsibility on Manning, more responsibility on Brady as those guys kind of ascend. And he was not that type of quarterback.

I think you could make a case that he took the job a little bit less seriously than someone like Jalen Hertz, right? Yeah, I think that's part of it. But I also think if I'm thinking of those early 2000s for an eight-year stretch, Donovan was more often one of the five best quarterbacks in the league. It felt like than anybody else has been. But I looked at the numbers.

He's got two years in that span when he's a top five quarterback by quarterback rating. I thought it was going to be a little bit more than that. It's the same for Jalen. He's got two of those as well. I really like, I don't have to take. I could follow myself going either way on this one. He falls off the table after 04.

Yeah, but there was, when we're talking about what was surrounding him for a lot of, a lot of this, I still remember watching, like 01, 0203. Well, yeah, I mean, up until, up until 04, I still remember watching ESPN and Chris Berman will call the Eagles the Philadelphia McNabs. Yeah. Because there wasn't a whole lot around him. and he was still being effective on offense and taking these teams to the playoffs.

And then once you did get him some weapons, it elevated to that next point. So it was one year. It was one year that they got to the Super Bowl. Okay, but that was one year. But he did. His success was not one year. His success.

What happened after? His success spanned 2018. 2008 is good. Yeah. No, it wasn't good because he lost to get to the NFC championship game. Right. but along the way he got benched and there was the Cincinnati game

like he got bench for Kevin Cobb yeah like that was very real I'm not saying and I feel bad because I don't want to make this case like he wasn't good he was very good but this was pre you know where quarterbacks

were where they are to death Jayland's way more pressure on him today even though he's got a better team around them he's got way more pressure to go ahead. You remember what the city was like when McNab was here. The pressure was as high

as it got from the moment he got draft. I'm talking about. You're talking about on-field pressure? Off the field, you brought up great point. Let's talk about that. Yeah. I was I think that hurt him. I sure. I think like my heart goes out to him in this set.

The booing at the draft, he never got old. And I don't blame him. I don't blame him a little bit. and I put myself in his shoes because I was with him in there he lived in the suburb of Dalton, Illinois, Dick, Dickman Court. I was on Dickman Court in his house that June after he was drafted. We had breakfast, his mom made pancakes, and I loved him, like truly thought, what a special kid, man, just incredible. I covered, I was in New York and I covered the bowl game, Syracuse, Florida.

I was at the Carrier Dome when against Virginia Tech when he runs 55 yards, the end of the game, runs 55 yards, throws up on the sidelines. Right? What an omen. Comes back,

throws a 12-yard touchdown pass to a backup tight end by the name of Steve Brimitts. Right? By you. And like, I was like, wow, this kid, man. He's got a lot of stuff. Now, Florida had Lido at the time.

They did a too deep zone against him, and he struggled against, you know, picking it apart. He was a great dude, like a great kid. Like, in that moment, and I remember his mother saying, now they weren't booing you, and he goes, yeah, they were. And I heard the pain in his voice, and it was real. And this is what people could say, get over it, all that nonsense.

When you have a moment like that That is your crown joy It's a core memory And you get booed I don't care what anybody says about Toughing it up and everything It was wrong And I felt for him

And he carried that And then he Your point Tim Matt He became the poster child For the black quarterback Which was unfair Like they

Who was Rush Limbaugh Yeah And he's like Ah You know, like leave me alone. He didn't ask to be involved in that. He wasn't trying to be involved. He was a great dude.

He really was. He was very good, especially that time. When I was talking about pressure, I meant it wasn't a quarterback's league like it is now. Yeah, no, I get that. And you saw the underbelly when it came to McNabb, obviously closer than just about anybody. You know, but I've seen it also with Hertz.

Like he, there's, it's not perfection. with him behind the scenes either. And, you know, there is a conversation that happens even internally of, well, how much of it is it him or how much are we constructing things around him to maximize who he is and we're winning as a result of that, whereas you didn't see a flip necessarily with McNabb. It's like, you know what, we've got to make this a run-centric offense if we're going to succeed on the level that we did. Whereas that just factually, that's what happens in 2024. and it's obviously it's a it's a complicated conversation because Hertz has gotten to the highest of

and falls at number one. You're saying about Jalen. The dude's money. Like, yeah, the dude's been money in big games. Like he comes up a bit. Remember the Pittsburgh game where everybody goes,

ah, look, you can't, like, he can't get the ball out. And what does he do against the ball out? It's Pittsburgh. Remember that?

Sounds what you wanted to say. Yep. You know, like he had these big moments. And I hate to say this. Not always. You know, he didn't play very well in the playoff game last year. I agree.

I didn't have the champ again. Yeah. But he's got his moments of big game. For sure. The Super Bowls are, I mean, are his best games. I mean, you know, both of them. Whereas Donovan, that stretch, every game ended with an intersection. I think it's interesting that the guys who have been closest to the players we're talking about

are willing to put the person that they weren't closest to above. You know what I mean? Like, totally. You saw it behind the scenes. Donovan, you've seen it behind the scene with Jalen, and that makes you sort of be like, well, maybe the guy who I, who I didn't know quite as well, I'm more impressed from the outside than from the inside. That's good point.

And I, and I like Donovan. I think he's, you know, top 10 and the franchise, the whole thing. And he's had a huge impact. And he was so, you know, he was very, and he was a little polarizing like Jalen in the sense of the locker room, defense sometimes, you know. Yeah. was like serious, you know, because they all love T.O. So there were some sides taken there.

Sounds familiar. Some parallel. Yeah, right. Sounds familiar. Yeah. I will say real quick, 11 seasons for McNabb in the 2000s here in Philadelphia. Eight of those 11 seasons,

he finished in the top 10 in the league in passing yards. Five of those, he finished in the top 10 in pass rating. None of the other quarterbacks in this list come close to that level of production. Go back to his context there because it wasn't a quarterback's league. They weren't put up anywhere near than. number. But that's what he's finishing in the top 10 compared to the other guys in the league at that time. Like the quarterbacks, go back during the quarterbacks in the NFC on that period of time. Yeah, but it's the NFL, not the NFC. It's the, yeah, yeah, so it's the entire

league. That's why I didn't go pure raw numbers. I went like, how did he rank against this year in that season? Well, each of them have to, each of them have to play in their own league, right? So like it's, you know, Kurt has had one year in six where he's finishing the top 10 in passing yards. You know, where he's, Donovan has had eight. And,

you know, Donovan also nearly double the amount of game-winning drives that Jalen and Nick both had. Again, those just numbers. But I do have Hertz over McNap overall. All right,

a good place to put a bow on it. Let us know in the comments that you rank the five quarterbacks of the Eagles this century. On the other side, let's get into running backs. How do you rank, Westbrook,

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for any three of these guys at the top, any order you wanted. Sequin, the best season that any Eagles running back has ever had. The guy from a Super Bowl championship season. Shady. Equally like high heights for a couple seasons. one of the most electric players to watch. And then he got Brian Westbrook

who kind of changed the way that running backs are used in the NFL. He's going to be at the top of these rankings in terms of all-purpose yards and stuff like that. I could sort of be convinced anyway. Tim, let's start with you. How do you have these guys? Oh, man, you got to start with me.

This one is so hard. But I have B. West and then McCoy and then Sequin. I land the same way. Okay. Fran? I had both shiwomen. Shady and B. West inside my top 10. I had Shady at 9, B. West at 10,

Sequin just outside my top 15. So one, two, three. Does? Same. B. West was Marshall Falk before. If he got the amount of touches as a runner, yeah. That Marshall woke up.

Because remember, back then, they still fed deuce and Buckholth. Yep. So B. West was ridiculous. is greatest route runner. You know what to talk about ahead of his time as a route runner. Incredible route runner. Great returner, you know.

Yep. Was terrific at picking up a blitz. Yes. He was just awesome. He was a great football player. And you want to talk about a guy who put his body on the line? Yeah. What a warrior for sure.

Westbrook was, as it from a league standpoint, one of those underrated players to play in the NFL. I agree with you. Now, Shady. He didn't have the playoff highs. Yes. Or necessarily like the moments.

I would think we, I would think of the, the snow game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not quite the same highlight, but he was,

where he had highlights. He was awesome, man. And just like, aesthetically, one of my favorite running backs to watch. I think he could make you things like that, those jukes. I don't want to die, baby.

Honestly, like one of a kind, because it's, I will say, like, watching running backs, like coming out, in the drafts and so you know there's no one you watch you're like oh yeah this guy reminds me leon moccoy like you don't you can't make that comparison um even like there are guys to come out and you're like he's got a little bit brian westbrook to him like there's there's something

yeah you can't do that with lashan mccoy uh just the the amount of like lateral agility like that make you miss i mean there's a unique unique profile yeah and then the iconic moments is part of what you're looking for and the snow game was unbelievable i mean being in that stadium was so much fun. And it felt like there was like 21 people operating in one fashion and one guy just running in a completely different way. It was like, how is he doing that? You know, it was like he was walking on air. It was unreal.

Unbelievable. I asked one time about, because we do a show together. And I asked him about, so what do you see? Like, I show him highlights, but what do you see? When you're running, like, what's, what are you? I'm always looking at the second guy, because I know I beat the first. So I don't even think about him.

I'm looking and I'm looking at the second guy figuring which way I'm going to cut. Am I going to pull him here and then cut on a dime, which is his moniker? Yep. And do it. Like, it was funny about his instincts of the mind and his mind's eye. How he got into. He was just, he was incredible. You guys are so right.

Like, what a beautiful runner? I'll never forget. I never understood Chip Kelly wanted to run that offense, right? And the year before, it was like toward the end of the year, he's like, cause I'm not going to be here. And I go, what do you mean?

His chips going to get rid of him. He wouldn't be stupid. He goes, fit his offense. Exactly. There's not a back that fits better in his outfit. And sure enough, he jettisoned him, and you brought up to Marco Murray earlier. Yeah.

And DeMarco Murray was a stretch running bat. Yep. It was the worst kind of guy for his offense. Yep. Like if you're going to run with Chip on the run, you wanted the guy that could stand back here and see it and not have to worry about it running on a stretch. And yet I have to Marco at number 19 on my list.

Let's talk Sequin. He's done enough, you guys feel? Yeah. To make this list? I mean, not just like the best running back performance in team history. I mean, most scrimmage yards for any running back in NFL history in that season. So he's got to be in there just a little bit lower than these other two. What was so cool about Sequin is that usually it takes a while before a player coming in,

especially from an NFC East rival gets accepted and acclimates. And we have so many stories of guys that came from the Cowboys and Giants. DeMarco, where he just gets rejected and it always feels kind of like oil and water. And because of the person that he is and the efforts that he made, he got accepted almost immediately. And then you put him behind that offensive line. And it's just like magic. I mean, put the fact that, okay, he's feeling a certain kind of way because he didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to stay in New York his whole time.

So he's got that fuel. He's still in his prime. He's in this offense with that offensive line. and it was, you know, something that comes along, you know, that's a once-in-a-lifetime type thing. And you want to talk about moments? Boy, did he have some moments? I mean, did you ever think you would see a quick-strike run game?

Right. Yeah. A home-run run game. I mean, it's something we never saw before. We have six of? Yeah, 60-yarders became like, felt commonplace. Yeah. In the post-season, too.

I know. Well, that's the things. I mean, the leap against the Jags is where, like, that's the photo. But the first play of the game against the commanders in the NFC championship game is the one where I will be like, it didn't feel like it was possible for them to do it again. And the first play of the game, there he goes. Just unbelievable. When he was 275 against the Rams in that November game.

And then we got the watch this play against the Rams. What he did in the other snow game. Like just, yeah, to me, he's absolutely in the top 20. It's a question of how high do you push a guy? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. Even the last year he had his moments, even beside, I mean, it was bad, but like when he started going, you, you still thought, like, when he had the ball, he still thought, oh, man, he still could be dangerous.

Yeah. Did anybody else make your top 63, Fran? Yeah. And honestly, you could make an argument, Darren Sprouls. Yes. Yeah. Darren Sproul's made the all-decade team in the 2010s.

Like Malcolm, you don't think of it this way, but most of his best year, like all of his best years actually came in still. He was productive with the Saints. He was productive with the Chargers, but his most productive years were here with the Eagles. Obviously stayed on. It was an assistant. He's been a part of the organization afterwards.

But I think when you're looking at Darren Sproul's, his impact as a runner, as a receiver, as a returner, finished tied for first in team history. And punt return touchdown. but I mean, they did in all three phases, or in all three areas of the game. So Sproles was another guy.

He made my top 63. They got him for a fifth rounder. I think that's true. I remember the day we podcasted that day. It was an interview with U.S. soccer the next day. Oh, really? How well he arrived between the talk. Yeah.

So small that he was a, he was a great back. I agree with him. You know. Deuce, I think Deuce gets into the conversation of what's the well in the top 60. Obviously, he's one of those guys that's straddled. He's been healthy for the Super Bowl run. Yeah.

In 17, I think we would take up him differently. He's really a part of that team. Yeah. I'm glad you gave Deuce love. Yeah. Deuce was, uh, this was terrific. He was a terrific.

Awesome player. He really was, catch the ball in the back field. Yeah, the guy that would pick up a blitz for you. Yep. And look, he was an assistant coach on the, uh, on the Super Bowl team in 17. So, um, you know, was a assistant head coach, true. He was, yep. All right.

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I think there are two guys who are right on the bubble and one guy who's definitely going to make it. Do you have Dallas Goddard and or Brent Selleck on your list, Fran? Let's start with you. Goddard was on the outside looking in for the top 26. Seleck, not in contention for the top 26. Not in contention. Yeah, like he was outside my top 40. Okay.

I was surprised by that. Yeah. I mean, the longevity was there, but just to me, like, the credentials just not enough. Like a true eagle, no question. Yeah, played 100. His entire career here. I was a true, like, servant of the franchise. Yes.

This whole career puts his body on the line, plays a bunch of different roles. Really evolved. You know, it wasn't like a big time blocker, like coming out and developed into a really good blocker in the course of his career. But to me, like, just that level of impact, that that peak was not to that level of some of these other players. You thought it was in consideration for this 26, Tim? No, he didn't make it there for me either.

But, like, you appreciate the Iron Man. Obviously, a ton of respect, Selik, his career is, you know, fantastic, but just outside of the 26. Yeah. Agreed. Okay. Now, how about Dallas God or Cous? Would you have him in your top 26? I got to just throw, please close, but I don't have.

Yeah. I think he sees he's just there, but not. The injury and just. Yeah. If he was healthier, he'd be able to crack it, but I don't have him in. Number five, all time franchise history and catches. Number 14 in receiving yards. He's had some really productive seasons.

At his peak, like one of the best tight ends in football. He's about to be a better blocker than he's already big. He's actually like, he's got more starts than Zach Ertz in his career, which is crazy. but yeah to me Dallas got it just on the outside looking into the top 20s

just a funky career you know because he comes in as the number two it takes a while before he's able to assume number one then there's injuries

so he hasn't gotten like the big payday yes you know he's got to be kind of bummed in it yeah he's a shit

he's tremendously talented yeah when he's coming out if he's number one then he's right kind of numbers they put on right yeah I think Chad Lewis

deserves a mention I think so yeoman's work Dude, the worst injury in the history of injury. The Liz Frank. Worse than Osante Samuel's lacerated groin. Worst in his Liz Frank. You don't know what to say?

No, what was it? Uh-oh. The lacerated butt. It's thunk. Asante had a lacerated penis. All right. Atlanta. Falcons game.

Well, yeah. They called it groin, but let's call it. It's how it is. the tweet got caught in the hole right and it tore up what yeah towards you know whatever and i i i i i did his day rick was the traitor rick had to have to rate him over before they had yeah and they had to stitch him he's like dude i had to stitch it up like he had to stitch up that area. On the sidelines.

In the top, like, in the tunnel. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lerick, man.

Liz Frank's knees, hillies, all that stuff. The lacerated. I've never heard of that. Yes. That was the worst thing. When was that in his career? Toward the end.

You know, I mean, it was during that period, like, Rick was here. So, God, it's had to be, Louis Frank was the last.

Frank was the last time he played in 2004, yeah. So it was probably that year. How do you put that on the injury report? Yeah, good question. Tight end is fun because it is probably the one position where there has been the cleanest passing of the baton. Yeah. All the way along.

It went from Lewis, the Cellick, the Ertz, the Goddard, they would like for it. We had that break of L.J. Smith in the between. Yes, that's right. Who I always thought was going to be good instead of have. Let's get to Erds now. Yeah. How high do you have, Ertz? He makes your top 26.

I think we all agree. Yeah. Yes. Definitely. How high does he get for you, Fred? He's number 12 for me. I, yeah, I mean, I've always been, look, the numbers. I'm a big Zach Kurtz fan.

I think when you talk about like, like commitment to being an eagle, ambassador of the team, all that stuff, he checks all those boxes. A guy that really grew, like, I remember his first day after being drafted and like not comfortable. He really struggled. And like, I really grew into. to that and became one of the voices of the team publicly. But then you talk about just the production. I mean, number two in the team in receiving, number five and receiving yards,

number seven in touchdowns. He's looking at the Oafton and franchise history. Yeah, so you get the game winner in the Super Bowl. I mean, it was productive against his peers as well. Yeah, to me, he's number 12. A lot of growth there. And I mean, I think that's a great point. Not only with the public speaking,

but also about, remember, the play against the bangles. Yeah, the block is perfect. where EO lays it. Yeah. And, you know, that caused some consternation internally at that point. Oh, in a big way. Yeah. But he responded in a big way.

Yep. Yeah, that could have gone the way that you talked about the McNabb thing with the booze having gone. He could have turtled up after that and been like, well, you guys don't know what I'm going through. And, you know, he was very accountable about that. He was. Yeah.

And I was a, he was a great gentleman in that way. Like, great leader and all thing. And truly came to, I always remember his exit press conference. He wanted to, he made sure to have a press conference. That's right. And just talking about how much he grew to understand and love the city and how much, you know, he appreciated that what you put into it is what they gave back to you. I think he truly understood that at a level that a lot of guys maybe haven't yet.

Put his emotions out there. Yeah. That press conference you were talking about, just weeping. Yeah. Like, you know, a good portion of it. And I think we appreciate that. Where did he land for you? He was 17.

Okay. Yeah. I think he's somewhere in there. Sure. Yeah. Okay. You want to talk about receivers? Let's get to it.

Let's do it. We talked a lot about T.O. already. How high up are you going to put a guy who had that, like, shooting star of a season and then was gone? Yeah, that's why he's, to me, I had him. Are we talking like 20? Are we talking? No, I haven't been seen. Okay.

Because of his dramatic. Like, he just met. It's one of the most important seasons in franchises. Yeah. Like, he just met so much. And, you know, I did see him go through what he went through in the rehab and coming back. Like, you know, obviously the end was the end. But, man, for that one moment of time, we had, we had CO.

Do you have AJ at the top and then T.O. and then DeShan? How do you rank those three? So I have AJ. I mean, I have AJ. and then Deshawn and then Deshawn. That's my ranking as well. Because Deshawn,

dude, I mean, and to me, Deshawn and AJ are close. I mean, AJ's ridiculous, but I don't know what you guys think. Deshawn would run to recover two.

Like, Deshawn's speed was something we'd never seen. I did, in a previous life, I did a whole YouTube video, like 30 minutes long. where I made the case that he's the best deep threat in NFL history.

It should be a Hall of Famer. Yeah. So, yeah, like Deshaun Jackson, absolutely on this list. In the top 20, he's number two for me behind AJ. So he's number three for me. I have AJ. Tio at 15 and then Jackson at 18. So it's pretty close.

Deshawn, to me, coming to watch that team for the very beginning, starting in 2009 that training camp, I have never seen anything like that. And I don't think that I ever will again about just the speed. Yeah. In practice. Yeah.

How easy it was. Yeah. From the run by people. To just run by people, those long strides. He was awesome to watch and change the game in a way where like, everybody knows he's trying to get deep and he's still going to get past you. It was so fun to watch. I mean, they would roll their safety. They played a safe deep.

And it wouldn't matter. Right? It didn't matter. They gave him safety up over the top. He just run right by it. But you know, because you know what it is is that he not only did he have like truly unique speed, like, that easy speed you're talking about. Tracking.

The best ball skills I've ever seen. Like ball tracking I've ever seen. People like, say like, oh, former baseball player. Like the older. I mean, like, he is the apex of that. He is the best case of that skill set playing out.

And such a unique wiring you have to have. Right. To be that small and still be like so fearless. Yep. It was. Yeah, he was ridiculous. Yeah, his backstory is pretty fascinating too. And the way that his dad trained him from a very,

very young age to make him into what he became. And then he, you know, he is the author of, I don't know how many, like, it's got to be in the top five of, since,

since 2000, iconic moments, you know, and it's been filled up Eagles history. Yeah. Special one for me. It was the, uh,

the last great memory I have watching an Eagles game with my dad was the miracle of medal. Oh, that was, like, and what was, uh, cool about it was that was the season before I,

uh, uh, joined the Eagles. and on the anniversary of the play, I was in, I was in Derek Borko's office. And Deshawn came in. They were airing and all the, so I sat there with Deshawn a year to the day

to rewatch the play on NFL Network. It was a very cool memory. That's great. Remember doing the postgame show for Philadelphia, you guys stillcom with Ellis Hobbes. Wow. Oh, yeah. That game.

And we go live. It was fantastic. Great. Now, AJ, how do you unpack the divorce of this, you know, will we think differently about this in a few years if, you know, the way that things have ended makes it feel differently? But boy, I mean, that that 2022 season, unmasked, arguably the best wide receiver in franchise history at this point. I mean, second and fifth most receptions in a season in team history. Number two in terms of

total 100-yard gains. And he's the only eagle in history with four straight 1,000-yard season. That thing is it is, it's ending much shorter than it should have, right? But this is not T.O. Where it's one season and that's it. It was four seasons of truly high level play. And Tim could talk about this. His teammates fluff. Yes.

Yep. Like he's not. I live T.O. Yes. Yeah. He's not anywhere. That's not it. Nothing like, no comparison at all.

Yep. But you and I talked about this on my show the other day. about just this whole thing with him. And I don't deduct anything. It happened. It happened. And I don't think he's selfish. I don't think he's prideful.

And I do think he wants to be that guy. And the irony of the thing is Devante's going to wind up getting double-digit targets because he's gone. Yeah. And there's a duality to A.J. Brown where he is very much in my mind. a team first person and that he wants to have team success. The way that it was told to me is that he wanted the Eagles to be the same thing as the Patriots were as a dynasty. And so that is part of the wiring.

The other part of the wiring is he wants to be a Hall of Famer. And that's very important to him. And he knows how many precious years you get in the NFL and he knows what this offense was and he knows what the limitations were for Hertz. And that's really, I think, the way. but had pushed him essentially on his way out to probably New England. But there's no denying that his frustrations are also a lot of the team's frustrations. And that's why, and not only is he like a good dude and people relate to him within the locker room,

but also like he was saying a lot of things that other people felt. And that's why there wasn't that big rift like you could see in some other areas. Two 1,400 plus seasons, two Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl title. And in my opinion, the best wide receiver that ever played in Philadelphia. Agreed. Everything you say. All of those things in yet hard, I think it speaks to him that some of the times last season when he's not running full speed, that that didn't affect his standing in the locker room. You know what I mean?

Usually that is a death now. It's great point. Just like the Earth's thing. To see a guy on tape in front of the whole team not going 100% and still the guys love him, I don't know what to be. make of that, but it speaks to him a lot. And not only that, but then even like Nick Siriani, Howie Roseman, and Jeffrey Lurie

speaking last season, like in the middle of everything going on. And no one was like, oh, like, AJ's got to be better than that. It was all like, yeah, we're trying to work through this. And I think that speaks as well to his standing in the locker and in the building. He was, obviously, went over the line last year. I mean,

I think that most of his intentions are always good. And for the most part, I think it brought the best out of the offense. Like he would bring frustrations to light and you would get the proper reaction for that. I think last year was the first time we were sort of tilted over the line and now you saw that the body language

wasn't good enough and you could see it like the frustration seeping into the play. So it was unfortunate the way that last year went down. But yes, crazy that people still have that level of reverence. What goes back to what you were talking about with Jalen, right? Like, you know, at quarterback's spot when we

were kind of debating. And it's a fascinating, like brings me back to Jalen and Donovan because they were so, two of them, both so good, but they had these warts that came from the elite of the elite. And sort of the gossipy nature of like what happened between G&A.J., which we will probably never get to the bottom of.

It's one that's going to sort of linger. So who knows? Anybody want to make the case for Devante or Jeremy Macklin or anybody else? I think Devante is one we talked yesterday about Cooper de Gene and Quinean Mitchell and we kind of landed where it's like

hey like five years from now there's a good chance that those guys are locks I think a few it could be two three years from now we're sitting here saying like yeah Devante's a lock top 25 not year yet I think he's just on the outside

honestly like the numbers are probably better than we than we would imagine but it's still I mean he's just on the outside I have him just inside so I have him 24 production plus big moments. Yeah, Smitty has shined. The ability, I mean, he's absolutely worthy of a Beanie.

He's not playing with AJ. Right. He's, you know, no doubt, no doubt. Clearly, you know. I don't think you can get there with Macklin. I don't think the, the bona fides are there. Al-Shan, same deal. Alston is a very important player in Eagle's history.

Yes. Because without him, that offense never gets where it needs to be in 2017. and they needed a number one ride receiver really badly. And I think his numbers after that season are actually probably underrated. Right. But yeah, I don't think he can get to

top 20s. You also pulled the Super Bowl when he first got there. That's right. He's done it. Lois talker that I've ever covered. One of the best Super Bowl media week quotes.

I don't know why we're here kind of so good with the South. That's an phenomenal. Fantastic. With Todd Pixon. I think we're going to have to go a little longer. before we get to before we get to time.

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So many good offensive linemen. I don't even know where to start. Here's my first question for you. how do you parse how do you rank lane versus jason peters it's so hard i mean jason peters may be one of the greatest left tackles of the history of the game i agree right and lane is right there with them it's probably like this close jp lane i mean it's that it's like that it's like that uh here's where i land go ahead jp's got like one more combined Pro Bowl or all pro?

JP's got one more Pro Bowl. They both had the same amount of all pros. Both had two first team, both had two second team. Both were on the all 2010 teams. Now, Lane was first team. JP was second team. Then you go to like legacy with the team. Lane was a career eagle,

drafted by the team. Part of two Super Bowl wins. JP was hurt. Three Super Bowl appearances, two wins. JP was hurt for the, for the Super Bowl in 17. Lane has played more games to me. And also when I think of that Super Bowl team,

like the underdog masks and all that, like that you, that lasting image of Lane wearing one of those masks is one of the images of that team. I think Lane gets the nod. I think he, for me, he is number three.

JP is number five all time with Kelsey at number two. And it's tight. I got JP number three. Okay. And Johnson number four. I mean, they're right. He's just close.

The only thing is, I think you would agree, if you're just talking about the football player, left tackle. Yep. Right. You know. It's because JP was established as the left tackle when Lane got drafted. Exactly.

Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. Right. And I think Lane is also like singularly responsible for the league no longer thinking necessarily that left tackle has to be the most great point. Yeah.

That's a great point. I think that kind of land at the semantic difference that JP's a better player. but Lane's a better eagle. I think that's, yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. Lane is a better eagle, and JP is, and that's kind of what I was getting at. Yeah.

You know, so if you want to parcel them, yeah, I mean, it's either way. Picking nifts. Yeah, because you would ask me about like the scariest defender. I mean, JP. Yeah. On the offensive side of the ball. And he,

and his locker was in the far corner. Yeah. So if you wanted to go down there, you had to fully commit. You get your gumption up. Yeah, like, I'm going to have to walk, you know, the green mile to get down, like to the end. And it's like, you know, you almost wanted to be like, Mr. Peters.

So sorry, but I mean, you talk about the injury that Chad Lewis suffered. I would imagine that Jake Elliott had something similar happen to him when JP said no more misses story in 2017. And also a huge part of like the handing off of the legacy of what it's like to be an eagle. Nobody worked harder with like developing young. guys after practice behind the scenes and JP did was great with teaching guys like like Vinnie Curry and BG and shady

like what it means to be a pro like what you have to do with your money and stuff like that so JP deserves a lot of credit for that best beard I've ever seen great beard impeccable just an impeccable beard and yeah yeah I think I don't know I think you convince Jamie like man I had like team back I had it like that

I know both of them you wish to the injury is quite so much. Yeah. I think, I think, barring injury, we'd be talking about

these guys, maybe one, two. I mean, yes, and the problem is, if he doesn't, when he doesn't,

when lane that play, they lost. Yeah. Right. Right. It's almost good for his legacy that they've been bad with him. Yeah.

Yeah. Although when JP went down with the Achilles injury, I think that was in 12. That was the end of the Andy Reid area. You're right. You're right. You're right.

Put him in a position to draft lane. Yeah. Well, when the Super Bowl. Yeah. All right. How about Chelsea? what do we do with Kelsey

the longevity and I do think at the top of this list reliability dependability matters the fact that he was there every week so long I got Mr. Philly

Dawkins won Kelsey too I think so you've got him a little bit lower well I got McNabb too right I think he's got to go down he's five for me okay he's five for me which you know it's no disrespect to him. He obviously... He's been an employee

too. Oh, that's true. I might have to rethink that. But I mean, he obviously checks every single that you want. He's got the resume, the credentials, he's got the Philly thing going. He plays the position, one of the

positions that Philadelphia most clearly identifies with, he's got it all. I think the only thing, the case for having him at 5, a little bit lower, is the thing we said before, that was he ever the best player on the team. Probably not. Yeah. I mean, and I think he would say the same thing. Yeah, I've Lane and JP ahead of him. Right. I think that's to that point. It's like he's, he's a fantastic,

I mean, he's one of the all-time great centers, but I think I'd put Lane and JP at their respective spots higher. He also kind of changed it too, though. Like, you know, he got out, kicked like a guard, like downfield. I mean, hey, what a player. Future Hall of Famer. Yeah, no question. and one of the faces of the team, the voices of the team, number one in team history and consecutive starts, 156 straight games played, number two in total games played,

193. No one has more all pros, no one has more Pro Bowls during this century than Jason Kelsey on the Philadelphia Eagles. And the list doesn't stop there. There's a lot of other guys who are going to be in consideration here. Talk to me about Trey Thomas does.

And the early importance of the left tackle, the reason that they have to go trade for JP is because they need to replace Trey Thomas. How good was he? He was great. I mean, you know, we're talking about reliable. Yeah. And like, not flashy Trey, big Trey, right?

Big Trey. Long. Listen, yeah. Long. He would neutral. And that was left tackle, right? He was the left tackle in that spot during that era when that end was coming. And he was the guy.

Like, he was always account on him. And I can't talk about Trey without talking about John. Yeah. Because Runyon was, he, Runyon gave that line attitude. Runyon came in, running was great freaking fire, man. Tough as anything nasty. He gave that person, I gave that line personality. And Trey was cerebral and Trey was calm.

Right. And John was like, nasty. Smart. Nasty. Like, diabolical. Right. Where do you have them ranked? Are they in respect to one another?

Is it clearly Trey above her? That's how I have it too. Wow. I'm surprised by that. I have Trey ahead. I have Trey Head as well. Ackalade's wise, right, friend? Yes.

I think when you're looking at any, and honestly, like even thinking like, you know, I think there's so much too as like the Runyon Strayhand battles. Like I think I think of those in terms of like those rivalry games, the Giants were obviously like Big Brother going into that era. John Rennonning was the first big. free agent signing for Andy Reid and was the Iron Man throughout the course that entire era. And I think my memory of him going back was like, oh, like, yeah, he was, I mean, one of the best offensive tackles in the NFL.

It's like, oh, yeah, he had one Pro Bowl during his time. Yeah. Part of that was, yeah. They hated him. He hated. Which is so ironic given his current role. And that was a talking point. I remember doing, writing a story, writing a.

story about that, about how that whole thing was all popularity contest, and they hated them. Yep. Having lived through it, I saw what he added to that team. I'm willing to be swayed. Plus, to your earlier point about Lane, like he

helped redefine when the right tackle was. I mean, you know, Runyon was a right tackle on a time where maybe they weren't quite as popular. I think that maybe speaks to the accolades the lack there of there. How about a guy like Brandon Brooks? who was the best guard in football for a few years, several all pros. Maybe not quite the longevity you would want, but I think he is right on the bubble.

I had him at 30. I had him just there. I had Runyon just made it in my 26. And Brooks came in at 30. I think it's just the fact he played five seasons. He made three pro bowls. Obviously, it was a big part of the Super Bowl team. And I thought like everything you want off the field,

his I mean it was one of the best one of the best guards in football him and Zach Martin where there were like the pinnacle at that point I just outside looking at made a big social impact when he was here with mental health I have him 25 overall

yeah so just inside the bubble but I mean just a fantastic Jeff Stoutland described him as essentially like the prototypical guard that you're looking for and when he came in here just you know from the jump he just he made a huge impact one of the better three agent sightings

in Howie Roseman's career. Yeah. Jordan Milana and Laden Dickerson. It feels a little bit early. Very lot is a great story. Small story. Great story. I mean, great story.

Great plot. Like, he's turned into a wall. Like, he's turned into a guy that is as, what do you want? You want dependability? You know, I like, and to me, he's as dependable as you get. You're not enough to make the list? Yes. Really?

Okay. I like that. I would put him in the category of like five years from now. He could be in my top 26, just outside looking in. I have a weird biased word. You like this team a lot. I love Cooper and Quintan. I'm a male out of guy.

I don't know. I really put a lot of stock. This team, this era of Eagles football, I don't know last year was at this apartment, but I think this is the best. Yeah, yeah. It's the best for getting. I agree.

if both of their careers ended right now. Like this is the book is done with both Landon and Milata. Who do you have higher? I would have Milana higher. Yeah, Layton has more. I struggled. I struggled. Really?

It sounds like you have Landon on her. Yeah, but I don't feel great about it. I didn't feel great about it. Yeah, that's curious. I think Milada is more gifted. I think he's more versatile. And again, like plays more important position, which I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth because I said,

earlier that it's not a huge deciding factor for me, but I think when it's this close, I would take the tackle. And last year, I think, kind of influences how you feel, knowing that he's maybe the best is behind him. I mean, I think that's sort of color. Yes, yes. Now, you want to talk about a shooting star of being one of the best players in football, the prime Sean Andrews years.

Worth mentioning, I know we laugh about it because of how things ended. Yeah. But when he was good, he was the best guard in football. He was tough to place in the side. obviously he didn't make my 26 but even like knowing like what the talent was like at the peak

it's like all right like how is this guy not the top 50 he didn't finish in my 50 but I was like at the peak like yeah you could make the argument that if you were saying like all right

at the very very best of all these guys he's in the starting lineup yes I think that's right pretty point I know like ahead of landing like at his peak

I would take him ahead of and Dickerson, I would put him in Brooks together. I don't disagree. As far as the ability, but that's only, I know. Yes, we know. And that's why he's not in my 50. Right. And right, like, listen, I'll never forget.

I was on the air. I was talking about the draft. And I was complaining because I won Vince Wilful. Mm-hmm. Right? And we go to break. I get a call. And it's in.

He's like, I heard you don't like my pick. I'm like, I think he's, you know, I think whole thing, Arkansas, wrote grader. Let me tell you something. This kid is going on that day about, he's talking about what annihilating people. He's just a freaky physical. That's all I can think of.

And I was always like, you know, I think they, I thought they needed a defensive tackle and Wolf Fork was at Miami and I just really liked them and the whole thing, whatever. He was ridiculous. It was so good. So, like, do you point? I'm watching the film of that season and just seeing what that guy looked.

It was just like, like, they don't make a lot of guys like that. Yeah, it's a kid. Yeah. It's a shame. Just, you know, wasn't there. If you're just looking at the Pro Bowls, Evan Massis has two Pro Bowls. I was going to make this list. You know that.

That's, that's, they missed him. He left. Yeah. Anybody else, Fran, who is, who we've not yet talked about. This one would be a, like, he's, he's not touching 26. Yeah. But if we're talking like career eagle, Mr. Eagle, Todd Harriman's. Like, yeah, Todd Harriman's.

Absolutely. Yep, deserve mention in the sense. I agree. The Brent still at the offensive line. Yes, right. I love Todd. I thought, I'm like a dependable winner, great attitude. Yep.

I love the big hermit. I remember going to his locker and he's like showing me the shoe that had to be a very specific design because the bones in his ankle and foot at all just like totally dissolved and he's like yeah so I need like the support because all these things are fractured and he was you know and short enough he's out there playing the next day like he's he's one of those iron man type dudes absolutely the value of knowing that you i mean you could play them at any of the four positions yeah yeah and week to week too like yeah and he could just he would get it yeah he was awesome yeah player all right about john wellborn

Really, Jamal Jackson? Jamal Jackson. Let me say about Welbourne. Was a supertinely talented play. Yeah. Nuts. Psycho. In a good way, though, right?

Yeah. But he hurts career. Okay. John Welbourne was a nasty father. Like, he was nasty that dude. He could play. He injuries, and he was a little too nasty. I will say too in terms of lasting impact with the organization.

Now, this guy is similar. We talked yesterday about Troy Vincent, where his career is kind of straddled to that, Germain Mayberry around. Germain Mayberry, you talk about like the I-Mobile and like him being the face of that. You know, Jeremy Mayberry, I think,

belongs in the list. But because he was drafted in the mid-90s, that probably takes him off a little bit. I got one more question. Or are we done a lot? I think we're done. Unless you want to just sit here and name guys for another hour. I don't mind doing that.

Nicole, I'm not Steve Gillies, you know, like, Mike McGlynn, yeah. One guy I keep going back with that I, I struggle with ranking, you know, within the top 20s, that is Falsh. Yeah. Because, I mean,

Jalen Donovan, wherever you have one, two, one, whatever, it doesn't matter, right? And the argument's there. But Fals is such an outlier to everything. but what he did was the one of the most amazing ever like in those two days

he shattered the goal seal it was Minnesota and you want to call it and a quarter right right like the second half against the land he got better but like Minnesota in New England like I never saw anything like it he's the one who pulled the sword out of the stone he is the one who did the impossible thing

and what's interesting about it is I remember at the time like literally like February 2000 of 2018, it's like, oh, well, if you're, if you're making your Mount Rushmore of Eagles,

McNabb's not on there and Ful's is on there. And as time has gone past, like I feel like people, you know, I would say most people have gone away from that. And I think Jalen's presence, where it's like, all right,

you're getting that Super Bowl, uh, exposure plus like longevity, uh, has kind of brought people back to reality a little bit. Yeah. But the fact that he was the guy that got it done for the first time. And also,

was the architect of like the biggest play in franchise history of the most memorable play in franchise history of the Philly Special like can we do Philly Philly? Like the fact that he is that guy there's a statue of Mount at the building. Also other things from his career

here to sort of add to behind that. Seven touchdowns. A hall of fame for seven touchdowns, NFL record. Yes. Yeah. I mean, 27 touchdowns and two interceptions, the one year. And reached like this level of Zen in that postseason run. that was like unreal.

I remember watching him during media night and Super Bowl week. And I was like, this guy's on another level. Like, I don't know where he's like, he like transcended to some kind of mental space that allowed him to do things that were beyond his capacity. You remember the way 2018 does? Oh my Lord. Yeah. I mean, it was literally like, they might have to look at Sudfeld. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. They might have to take a look. And those are right. Yeah. Sudfeld. Unstoppable. All right.

I got one addender this whole thing. Okay. Yeah, me too. Go ahead. Coach. How do you rank? Well, before we get to coach, let's very quickly close, special teams. Oh, yeah, we actually did. We should talk about this.

You have Doranbos just in discussion. Akers and Elliott. I think Elliott deserves to be mentioned in this sense. Team captain and one of the only, him, Lane, and B.G are the only three guys part of all three Super Bowls. Yeah. Right. I'm an like Greece guy for special teams.

Ryan Mitchell. Yeah. Obviously you guys are right about it, but I mean, I was a war badge of honor. Yeah. At special teams. I'd make a case for Elliot.

Yeah. I mean, Acres too. Like the guy for a long time was, was nails. Now, yeah, I mean, that's, but Elliot has come up big in some big moments. And obviously, like, you know,

hits the field goal, a critical field goal after the BG fumble, sack fumble and the Super Bowl. Bowl. But then like Dorimboss as well. We talk about this with Kelsey where it's like, oh, the center and everyone knows like who he is. The fact that like everyone knows who the long snapper was for the Eagles, but he's in that Trent Cole category. The first part we talked about yesterday was Trent Cole. Doran Boss didn't get a Super Bowl appearance.

Played to play for the team for 11 seasons. But he was in the locker room when they won in 2017. Because that was right after he retired. Yep. Yeah, I can't do it with the kickers. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to Let's get the cousin's question

I'm going to let you go first. Ranked the coaches. Woo! That's so hard, man. Because that's one where, like, I know the Super Bowl. Oh, we'll start with Andy. I think.

I think you have to go in. Oh, he's close. I mean, having been around all of them. I think you have to. He's a great coach. I don't care he to win or whatever. There's so many different factors. He's a great coach.

And the way that you... He changed his franchise. This franchise was a mess. That's it. A complete mess. When he came in, it changed immediately. Like, it used to joke on road trips that you can hear the bottles go from one end to the plane to the other, a little bottles.

Yeah. Firstly, there was get rid of alcohol on the flight. But it was more of a statement as to why. Like, I want you to hold your guy, hold yourself up to a certain. status, right? Like, there is a, he had the play, all that stuff they do now with, you know,

having the player representatives and all that stuff, he started all that. Yeah. And even, even Howie Roseman's effect on building the best roster. It's on Howie football. It is all downstream of Andy.

I think I got to go Siriani too. It's tough, but look at his win-loss. look at, you know, what he's done in the postseason, you know, he's taking him to the, he's taking him to the dance twice, and he's, and he's got a chip. And I recognize I'm the person that asked Siriani, like, you know, what's your role going to be? But I do feel like he has a more complete role maybe than Doug in some respects. But Doug delivered the first, the first one,

you know, so that's. And it was a, the degree of difficulty for that one was certainly higher. Yeah, with all the injuries and the fact that, like, you know, he's the one calling the plays for that team. Yeah. And the first to do it. I think I would say Doug's 2017 is the best single coaching season.

Everything he came up. We rolled, he wrote Deges is saddens. But I do, it would probably be hard to make the case that Nick doesn't belong as number two. Yeah, you know, your points is right. I'll go Fangio. Yeah.

Now, do you have, Who do you have higher, Chip or interim Shermer? Right. I think I would go Chip. Big Dom. All right. It's a good way to cap an awesome conversation. Thank you guys so much for being.

I was a fun. Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks for having me, guys. That's all we got. But stay tuned all summer. We're going to unveil the actual ranking that we have, 26 to 1. Where does match Gene Gives? Gilly's rank. We'll find out.

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