PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Thrift Shop: Philadelphia Eagles GM Howie Roseman shopping for discounts as FA continues

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Howie’s gonna pop some tags, as he continues to add low-cost options to fill out the Eagles’ depth chart, with Kenyon Green and Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the fold, AJ Dillon added for cheap insurance and now Josh Uche added to the defensive edge group. What could come next? Is there any chance of Jeffrey Lurie opening up the pocketbook again?Zach Berman and Bo Wulf continue the frenzy of free agency from the friendly confines of Studio B. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast, Free Agency Frenzy presented by TrueMark Financial. Visit TrueMark.com for rates and to learn more. TrueMark financial, federally insured by the NCUA Equal Opportunity lender. Rates are subject to change. But Wolf Zach Berman here, the Thursday of Free Agency Frenzay. Zach, how you doing? Doing well. Excited for the show. Got to hear from Dorian Thompson Robinson and Kenyon Green just a few minutes ago. What did you think? Always enjoy speaking the guys for the first time or first time as Eagles. I think at the Combine, I might have, I think at the Combine, I might have spoken to both of them. I'm trying to think here. Do you think it's interesting that both of these guys who they've acquired via trade also came to Philadelphia on pre-draft 30 visits?

Yeah, no, I don't think it's coincidence. I think that's part of, they always talk about when they have these interviews before the draft. It's not just for the guys you're drafting. It's for down the line. It's because internally they have an internal database where they have all the different touch points of the player, including the combine meeting when they have it,

the top 30 visit. So no, that part of it does not surprise me. But to answer the question, it was interesting speaking to both of them. Kenyon Green was all business. He says he doesn't have much to say. He's ready to get to work. You ask him a good question about what he can work on.

I'll let you answer that. Dorian Thompson Robinson spoke about how much he enjoyed his visit to Philadelphia. They put him through a mock press conference. He said that he has familiarity, obviously, with Tanner McKee from playing in the Pack 12 with him. And then from Jay Allen Hertz, because they share the same chess instructor or chess coach, chess master, whatever the right frame. I don't think it's chess master, but go ahead. Is that not the okay, chess coach, chess, whatever the correct. Term for chess.

Isn't a chess master a term? Well, like master, grandmaster as a term, yeah. Yeah, okay, that's what I was referring to. I had nothing to do with them. But that they work with the same person with chess and how chess. Quite an outfit on DTR in that Zoom. It's your suitcase. It's your suitcase.

Ha-ha. Don't you remember that? Yeah, I remember it. That's not my suitcase. Am I not mistaken that you said you would love a Louis Vuitton suitcase? case? You are mistaken. The question was if it was given to you, would you keep it? And the answer was yes, I would keep it if it was gifted to me. Okay. I think I said I would give it to somebody else. Yeah. How generous of you? I just meant that you're more of a Louis guy than I am in that respect.

I don't think that that's right. It's a weird thing for you to pin on me, but that's fine. But yeah, he had a nice outfit on. That's, that's, that's, I've been thinking about the draft on those pre-draft 30 visits. And, the way, if you are also thinking about the draft, go to all p.chel.wide.com today and check out Fran Duffy's big board. And by the way, big offer. Still on the line this week. Limited time, $36 for the year. You're not going to get a better deal than that. That is $3 a month, 75 cents a week. Call it, like 12 cents a day. Pretty reasonable for Fran. and Duffy's expert analysis, I would say.

So check that out on all-PHLY.com today, become a diehard. I was thinking about the pre-draft 30 visits. And just as we think about the Eagles, the way that they have operated in recent years, it has been the case that all of those visits do seem intentional. There's not a lot of subterfuge going on. Like, these are the guys they want to learn more about. And I've been thinking that I think that this is sort of like a maturity that comes with being a general manager for a long time

that Howie Roseman has, that in the draft, especially, where there are so many unknowns about the projection of the player and how they're going to fit in your building that the throwing teams off the scent and like trying to play that subterfuge game becomes so much less important

and is so secondary to just having the most information you can possibly have when you're making those decisions. And I don't think that that's how Howie Roseman operated early in his career. I think that has been a growth over the course of his time. So when they had Ezekiel Elliott in for a 30 visit, you think that was more subterfuge? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't pointing to that one specifically. No, but I'm just thinking of it. Yeah, like they weren't going to take him in the first round. Yeah, it's, at some point, it becomes not worth it to spend your time that way when you could be

getting more information. And like, I think the Eagles drafts of in recent years have been. unpredictable because of that and that's that's probably fine it would stand the reason right you you have a finite amount of time leading into the draft um coaches executives scouts whoever they meet in the building like they're not just sitting there hanging right there's there's things for them to do so if you're going to devote time to meet with a player there there needs to be some intentionality behind it now it could be because there's some health questions and you sure it could be there's some character stuff it could be you want to get them on the board you just want to get more exposure to them but yeah it would it would bother me if uh if i

allocated x amount of time plus you know you have to fly the guys in put them up there's there's there's a there's a cost associated and it was it was just for vanity purposes right that that that wouldn't make sense it so i agree there's intentionality behind it and there should be intentionality behind it if you're not using that as a resource and shame on you all right so big news of the day so far for the Eagles, the addition of Josh Ushay to the edge group. We think the edge group. There's a possibility he may dabble in the middle, but I think it's most likely on the edge. We have some numbers, courtesy of Mike Garofalo, which we did not have earlier.

And please do check out the emergency pod from earlier today. We get Fran Duffy's expertise as well as myself and Zach. 750,000 guaranteed about a million and a half, I believe. it's not a guarantee he's going to make the roster, but I guess it's it's not nothing. No, it's, it's not nothing. It's probably comparable to some of the flyers that they've given out in the past, right?

It's certainly not nothing, but it's, it doesn't ensure he's on the roster. Right. Yeah. How do you feel about, and you've had this marinate now for a couple hours? Do you feel any differently than you did two hours ago when we spoke, three hours ago?

No, I think that it's a, it's a shot at a player who's had production, whose sock has, has fallen. And that very well might be the theme of their signings this offseason, right? Is some, you know, there's some years where they sign aging veterans, right? There's some years, like last year was first round picks, right? This year, it might be. This year, it's still first and second round picks. No, but it might be guys who, who have produced.

in the NFL and had more of a market or there might have been more interest in them a year ago their stock went down and so the Eagles are buying low on a player who still has the age profile and has some demonstrated ability. Look, if your demonstrated ability is getting to the quarterback, which he hasn't done consistently, but you don't luck your way into 11 and a half sacks, right? The Eagles went from 2015 to 2000 and, to 2020, I would have to look at it without like a double-digit sack play

or 2014 with Connor Barwin. Then the next one was Fletcher Cox in what year? I'd have to look that up. 2019, maybe. Yeah, like you don't luck into that, right? You don't luck into it to 11.5 sacks. So he can get to the quarterback. Now he hasn't been able to do it consistently

in these past three seasons. Certainly last year, he signed that that one year kind of reset my market deal in New England didn't reset his market but he still has the age profile I imagine there's athletic trades that the Eagles like and they'll see it's I mean 750,000 guaranteed is not insuring you a roster spot but it's more than an undrafted free agent yeah I don't think we should focus on the double-digit sack season he had two years ago just because he's signing for $750,000 he was traded for a sixth round pick a couple months ago when he was inactive in the Super Bowl.

Like that's the expectation. But it happened. Like it's not, you know, it might be the exception, but it did occur, right? It is part of his resume. Sure. Yeah. But it's not, it shouldn't really be that much of the projection. Oh, I'm not projecting double digit sacks, but it's baked.

That's baked into the price. Like the fact that he hasn't done that's baked into the price. What you're paying is for someone who could theoretically, who has the talent in his body to do that. The same way, A.J. Dillon, you're not counting on A.J. Dillon getting 800 rushing yards, but you're signing someone who, theoretically, he's the talent in his, who has done that already and is of an age profile that it's not so far in the past. Sure. Yeah, I think, I mean, the expectation is he's here to compete for a roster spot. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So here's my question.

Now that we have seen most of the players go off the board, the Eagles have not. you know, played in the market of anybody making significant money. They've got a little bit over $20 million in the cap. But there's not really a lot of room. This is not like past years where they can restructure Lane Johnson's contract or whoever and just create an extra $20 million, right? This is pretty much what they are locked into. And so do you think they're going to use that space on somebody else soon, like an Aziz O'Jalari,

who we've talked about? Or do you think that this is being earmarked for, Let's see how the roster is come July and August, and maybe we need to save space for a trade acquisition. It's a fair question. It's one I've wondered and I've explored, and it's kind of, I don't want to play both sides of this, but I think the plan would be the latter, okay,

to kind of wait it out to see who becomes available, but to have some degree of flexibility to pounce on the former. So if the, let's say, Aziz O'Jolari, if that's the player at hand we're discussing, they have an internal value for him, right? If it gets to that value, that's when you pounce. So you let the market come to you. But I don't think they are earmarking right now

to make a big splash in free agency in the short term. But I think they'll try to be nimble enough that if the market comes to them, they can act. It's not like, you know, they put their hands in their pocket and there's no money. is some money, there's just done a lot of money. And there's, and there's, to what we were saying, there's less flexibility. So it's like, if we're going to use this money, this is what we're using it for, for the rest of the year.

Yes, exactly. They probably want to keep something around for a rainy day. Yeah, but like if, if 2021 is a guy, I'm sorry, 2022 is an example of a year when they tried getting Alan Robinson, right? They couldn't sign Alan Robinson. They didn't just turn around and pay money to that next wide receiver on the market. You're waiting for that next opportunity to strike. It turned out AJ Brown, and that was a budget beyond, you know, Alan Robinson,

but I use that as an example of they don't just, if, if that they'll have an internal value for a player that they're willing to sign on. And it's not just like, all right, if let's say that number's six million a year. If you can't get player X for six million a year, you don't turn around and pay the next guy six million a year. you use that $6 million creatively or you wait on it, like you said, for trade opportunities, for a player that could get cut later on. There's a handful of things. And one thing that I imagine, you know, we'll speak to Howie in two weeks at the owners meetings or three weeks at the owner's meetings.

And I can only imagine one thing, Howie is really going to emphasize is that the offseason is, does not end right now, right? and that there's, he might reference the fact that James Bradbury signed after the draft, that LaGarrett Blunt signed after the draft, that they traded for C.J. Garner Johnson before the season. They traded for Ronald Darby before the season. There are multiple opportunities between now and September 4th when the Eagles kick off to make acquisitions. So does that mean that you don't expect really much more action the next few days,

or can we still plan on some emergency pots? I think we can plan on emergency pods of the variety of the AJ Dillon, Josh Ushay, emergency pods. Okay. I don't think at this point to be planning on the Azizos-Gilari emergency pods, and I think, I don't know if we'll do an emergency pod of Mackay Beckton signs elsewhere, but I think there might be more guys who will leave. Okay. Let's take a quick break. On the other side, we're going to get into it.

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Yeah. I knew you were in a rush. You did not want to really have that conversation at the time. No, no, no, no. It's the same. I think you put it well. I don't think you tell anyone how to parent their kids, right? You have to do what's right for you.

If you haven't yet watched the Josh Ushay emergency pod, here's the situation. Casey varying of his Pokemon cards, you know, brings his binder to school with his cards, takes it to aftercare, and, you know, they're often doing trades or just looking at each other's cards. And there was a fishy situation with the kid a couple weeks ago where, like, they made a trade, but then the kid asked for the card back and didn't, and then didn't return the first card. Casey was totally fine with it. He was like, oh, he needed it, no big deal. and then I pick him up the other day

and I see this kid literally take a card from Casey's binder and put it in his without just like just stealing it as Casey was getting his backpack so I'm like oh hey what is that yours or his he's like oh that's his I'm sorry you know and that's it I left it there but then I told Casey what I saw

I just want him to be aware of it but I don't want to go too heavy I don't want him to like be mean to the kid yeah or or or and Casey was like oh I'm shocked like like he must have been a mistake. He's making excuses for the kid. That's my friend. But I also don't want him to just get to get railroaded.

It's a tough. No. Tough one to get the waiting. Right. Yeah, 100%. It's something. It's a tough situation. You can talk to him about it. I think standing up for yourself is important. I was also, you know, but you had to learn when to push and when not. I would say there's a, there's a good

book called Let Them. They can read a night. It can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it can, it's, but, um, but yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a tough one. Uh, uh, I would say that, you know, you kind of express the him right and wrong and, and, and, and, but it's, yeah, I mean, again, like, you, you, you, you, you, you wanted to happen organically on his part, but far be it for me to give in sight how to do with that stuff. So I would say that that you handled it well.

The chat wants to know what card it was. It was a Kwokwa Vol X. It's a good card. You know, grabbing it. Yeah, what's so I never got into Pokemon. Well, here's the other thing that I, this is difficult for me because

you know, they make trades all the time and and there are some places they go where like there are Pokemon experts and so like they approve the trades to make sure that they're fair but when they're just doing it that's that's like wheelhouse or uh just on the playground like there's there's no rules they're just making deals yeah and i have to fight myself from being like from asking him like you know like was it a good trade like you know uh you know was it a fair trade because that doesn't really matter it's like he's having fun just doing the trading process and if it's the card that he wanted even if it's the worst card like that's that's fine that's the negotiation yeah exactly um but that that one's a little that one's a little tough yeah i disagree

with with uh fran's position on on this if i'm being candid um i like the parent the parent thing yeah i i say that because i imagine that's what emmy would want to do is like let's call their parents up and i'll say you know reed has to handle this or sloan has to handle what did friend Wait, Fran said to call it to tell their parents? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I actually didn't hear him say that. Yeah, Fran said on the show, he said this might be a situation where you call the other person's parents. And that's, I understand that because I love Emily and that's, I think, how she would tackle it.

But I would say, like, read, this is happening. You know, you have to determine how you're going to handle this, right? But the trading process is part of the fun of, I remember at that age. Yeah, of course. You know, and it's, it's, now, stealing's different, but trading. Yeah, of course. Well, yeah, you know, if we're trying to, if we're trying to build a grass type, you know, he's going to, maybe he'll give a little to get, to get a turtle that he needs.

I don't know what that means, but it's, put that on, on, like, baseball card terms or, or, or football card terms. Maybe, maybe later. Okay. Okay. Are you ready for a makeshift 32-man bargain basement quacketology? Sure. All right.

Brandon Shirf or Jedrick Wills? Jeddrick Wills. I think the more Jeddrich Wills hangs around. And then I also like the Jeddrich Wills, the tackle part of it. Brendan Shirf, you're looking as a guard. Sure. Right?

I think that... Yeah, I don't think... I do think that with Kenyon Green, I don't think he's definitely the right guard, but I think it takes away the need to pay for a guard only. Nate Herbig or Liam Eichenberg? Liam Eichenberg. No more size.

Last offensive lineman, Dylan Radons. Yes. Or your boy Harrison Bryant, tight end. I can go Harrison Bryant because they haven't added a tight end yet. And Jack Stoll is now off the market. Yeah. Kellyn Moore have really enjoyed his time with Jack Stoll. Yeah, so far the Saints have just like re-signed their own guys and Jack Stoll.

Jack Stoll. And Justin Reed, yeah. Justin Reed, that's right. Okay, two more tight ends for you. Ian Thomas, or someone who I would imagine you were high on coming out of the draft, Irv Smith Jr. I was high on Irv Smith Jr. But Irv Smith Jr. hasn't really done much in the NFL.

He's basically washed out of the league. Yeah, and Ian Thomas is known to be a really strong blocking tight end. That's like his role. So I could see if they were looking to fill what that Jack Stole role was, Ian Thomas would be the guy. So I'll go Ian Thomas. All right. Elijah Moore.

Or here's one who, you know what, when I saw Sam, it's like, oh, that would sort of make sense. Devin Duvernay. Can return? Give a little return value. And Duvone fits in, you know, because I identified some free agents and I was going on the theme of guys we liked for the Eagles last year.

And Devin Duvonne would fit that profile. So let's go Devin Duverne. Now, is, I always get this wrong. Is Devin Duverne related to Law and Duvon and then Tal Diffa? No. Oh. No.

Got it. Tylin Wallace, sticking with X. Ravens wide receivers, or now we go to the defensive side of the ball, Kalaun Chase on. Well, respectfully, I think by default, this is going to be Chasoning. Oh, has he?

That's what I saw. I knew we were going to be one or two in here. It hadn't been reported on over the cap yet, but I might be said it. Yeah, reports to bring them back on a one year deal. Congratulations to Calavon Chase. making it to the second round here. Azizzo Jalari or Cleland Farrell.

Azizzo Jolari. You still think if they're going to add a guy, it'll be him. Yeah. He is someone that I heard they liked in the pre-draft process. I'm sorry, in the free agency process. The pickings are very slim at linebacker now. Joe Batchie, who the Eagles once had on the roster.

Michigan State, right? Yes. And there's also a Bowulf Shadowdraft selected player. Or Kaliki Hudson. Well, of those two, I would go Kaliki Hudson. But there's a linebacker who I had earmarked. We'll see if... Oh, okay.

Yeah. I'll go with him next. Willie Gaye, Jr. or Jerome Baker? Yeah, two guys who we talked about last year. I'm going to go Jerome Baker because of the background with Vic Fangio. That didn't help last year. But he got paid last year, and then he got traded, right? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Defensive tackles. Tavon Brian or Tierre Tart? Tart, Philly guy. Bring him home. Interesting. Actually, no, I think Tart might have resigned.

Let me see here. Let me see real quick. If there is. Yeah, he's returning to the Chargers for one year 5.5 million. Congratulations to Tavon Brian. Yep. Benito Jones or Callais Campbell. Ooh, I can see Callais Campbell as a ring chasing candidate.

What's a thing? you. You're going to Benito? Yeah, I feel like the Calais Campbell thing has been like five off seasons in a row. True. Like either ego is going to finally at Calais Campbell. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we'll go Benito. Okay. Benito Applebaum.

Julian Blackman or Justin Simmons? Justin Simmons. Okay. Would you go Julian Blackman there? I think I would. Okay. But I'm okay. Not for a strong reason.

Something very odd going on with the, most of the available safeties all start with Jay. Yeah. including one I like them curious that's the next name you're going on. Jordan Whitehead or Jalen Hawkins? Ooh. Hawkins from the Patriots was their third safety this year? He's kicked around the league a little bit. Jordan Whitehead, a former winner of Quacketology.

Yes, let's go Jordan Whitehead. Quackatology lives on. Okay, now a guy who I know you're going to like. Jordan Fuller, I think you've been banging that for a while. Or Marcus Epps. Jordan Forler, and respect to Marcus Eps's gym, but Marcus Eps is coming off a major injury. Jordan Ford, he's like 26, 27 years old,

went to Carolina last year, signed a one-year deal. I liked him in free agency a year ago. I think there are qualities there that I would jump on. Rasul Douglas or Eric Stokes. Back to corner. I think Eric Stokes might have signed somewhere, but regardless, let's go, yeah, Raiders brought him. All right.

Rasul Douglas or Jeff Okuda? Rasul Douglas. C.J. Henderson or Asante Samuel Jr. Asante Samuel Jr. Would you go C.J. Henderson? I feel like they've had a few cracks at the C.J. Henderson apple so far. Yeah. I guess something's going on with Asante Samu, Jr. Maybe people are worried about the shoulder.

Maybe. Okay. Jedrick Wills or Liam Eichenberg? Jettrick Wills. Ian Thomas or Harrison Bryant? Harrison Bryant. Devin DuVernay or Kalevon Chase-on? Devin DuVernay. Aziz O'Jolari or Kaliki Hudson.

Azizzo Jolari. Jerome Baker or Justin Simmons. Jerome Baker. Taven Brian or Benito Jones. Well, you like Benito, and that's a fun name, so let's go Benito. I don't like Benito. Jordan Whitehead or Jordan Fuller? Jordan Four.

Rasul Douglas or Asante Samuel Jr. What do you think here? Two guys, one former eagle, one son of an eagle. What's your gut tell you? I think I would say Asante. Okay. I don't think that Rasul wants to come back to the Eagles. No.

I could be wrong. Yeah. I would love for Rasul Douglas to come back. I love talking to Russell Douglas. It's one of my favorite guys that talk to. Speak the truth guy. Yeah. I like that.

Fantastic. Not a lot of fluff with Russell Douglas. We'll go with Asante. Jedrick Wills or Ian Thomas? Jeddrich Wills. Devin DuVernet or Aziz O'Jolari? Aziz O'Jolari. Jerome Baker?

or Benito Jones. I mean, I would lean toward Jerome Baker, but I'm not into. Stop making me a Benito guy. Jordan Fuller or Asante Samuel Jr. Asante Samuel Jr. Jendrick Wills or Aziz O'Jolari. This is interesting because, look, I'm compelled to say Aziz O'Jolari, but if we want to flesh this out. Oh, we made a mistake.

We made a mistake because we've just delivered. the player who the Eagles are signing. Ian Rappaport, the Eagles are signing former Raiders and Brown's tight end, Harrison Bryant on a one-year deal worth up to $2 million. The worth up to is probably doing a lot of work there.

We talked about Harrison Bryant as a fit for the Eagles in the summer. I talked about it at the joint practices with the Patriots. He was like cooking the Eagles guys. They saw him up close. Wasn't he there? And then he got cut by them

and then signed with the Raiders? Am I wrong about that? He didn't play a game, but I think he was there in the summer. Let's see here. No. No? Who am I thinking of? Anthony Nelson.

Who am I thinking of it was with the Patriots? I was like, go get him. I'm not sure. I've got to look that up. Harrison Bryant was... Whoa! What was that? I'm just mad at myself.

Harrison Bryant was someone that we spoke about last week. as like a tight end who would make sense for the Eagles, was productive with the Browns and went to the Raiders last year. And, you know, former fourth round pick out of Florida, Atlantic, good pass catching tight end. Who do we eliminate him against just now? Ian Thomas? No, no, no.

Irv Smith Jr. What's that? Irv Smith Jr.? No, he was eliminated. No, he was eliminated against. Oh, Jeddrick Wills? Yeah, yeah. He was eliminated against Jeddrick.

Will's. Were you talking about Austin Hooper, maybe? No, not Austin Hooper. This is going to... Okay. I'm so mad at myself. Maybe it was Mitchell Wilcox? So a few things with this Harrison Bryant's time.

Kick me off the show. Definitely don't kick you off the show. Best host in the city. Harrison Bryant is a past catching tight end. There is a little bit of duplication here with Grand Calcutera. Similar skill set that Grand Calcutera. Former John McEckyterra. Former John Mackey Award winner, actually, at Florida Atlantic.

So that could suggest two things. It could suggest that they're close to a Dallas-Scotter decision here, right? And they're kind of, I'm going to say, yeah, they're draft-proofing this. Like Harrison Bryant has starting experience in the league. If you have Harrison, Brian and Grant Calcuttaire compete to play tight end, that makes sense. That would make sense to me. But you're not getting a lot from a blocking perspective from Harrison Bryant. All right.

Harrison Bryant, five years in the NFL, four years with the Browns. His rookie year was his best year, 24 catches for 238 yards. And he was at that level, basically, exactly between 230 and 240 receiving yards, each of his first three seasons in the NFL with the Browns, then fell off in 2023. and then did not do much for the Raiders last year. Nine catches for just 86 yards. I think we can say this. I think we have some inside information.

I think we can share. Yeah. The sickos will like this. Word from Marissa Dunn. Big Harrison Bryant fans in the Dunhouse. And she sends a picture of Harrison Bryant holding. Yeah. Addie.

So. Yeah. So he. Fantastic. I'm in. That's all I needed to know. He was someone who I, and that's great intel from Marissa, Marissa, hope you're feeling well. Harrison Bryant was kind of blocked, if you will, with the Browns.

I mean, they had David Injoku. They had Austin Hooper there for a period of time, right? And he was someone with Upside who was filling in, but he showed promise as a pass catcher. that that was kind of always the direction they were going in but i i thought that the eagles would look at a tight end this offseason um so bryant was uh was someone i i thought made sense from a past catching perspective but there is like i said some duplication with grant calcutara skill set but this isn't someone who you who you would say he definitely starts over at grant calcutera right and if you have harrison bryant if you have grand calcutera and a

rookie tight end. That rookie tight end is not a good blocker. You might want more of a blocking presence, but that's a room to kind of build around here. Um, yeah, I, this sonny makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, this is a position where they needed a capable body. Yes. Um, it makes a lot of sense. I think it's, you know, you got up again, he probably was on the top 100 last year. Uh, this is another one to your point of the guys who they might have been interested in last season and it's coming off a down year. I mean, you know, he did not do much this season. So you would think that he is a player in decline,

but he's only going to be 27 next month. So totally makes sense. And another one where you are just draft-proofing your roster a little bit, so you don't have to force a tight-end pick before one where value fits need. Exactly. Exactly. This is, I think, of the remaining tight ends, I thought he was, I thought he was most intriguing.

I'm trying to go through this when I did my favorite free agents by position outside of the top guys. Earlier this week, Harrison Bryant was the tight end that I had earmarked there. So it would be hypocritical of me to... Trying to get my numbers on how often he was asked to block. It'll be hypocritical of me to push against this. But of the Vegas tight ends last year, I would prefer Michael Mayer. Michael Mayer is a trade candidate more than this. but I would think Harrison Bryant, yeah, good age profile, good size, can run.

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about this or anything there was yeah it wasn't it was a pH OI edict yeah when was this out of curiosity last week is when last week is when an officially moved over yep uh okay my bad uh okay I'm gonna read you Fran Duffy's yeah scouting report on Harrison Bryant coming out he had him as the number four tight end in that draft interestingly one spot ahead of Albert O Kweigbunab. The bottom line from the Duffman on Harrison Bryant. Could be a weapon in an NFL passing game and is a potential three-down player at the position. Likely will never be a dominant blocker, but good enough that I think he will be able to be on the field on all three downs.

Really want to see him improve as a route runner, ideally is just a complementary role player in year one who can turn into a potential three-down starter by year two or three. there you go. So now that you've had about 10 minutes to process this, how do you feel about Harrison Brown? I still think he's Mitchell Wilcox. Okay. Which would have been a cheaper signing

and would have saved Jeffrey Lurie some sweet, sweet cash. But absent that, listen, I'm not going to tell you Harrison Bryant's going to come here and be a Pro Bowl tight end, but this is exactly the kind of player who would make sense for the Eagles to add to that room. Yeah.

I got to tell you, Eagles fans, you've been calling for moves, three moves in 20 hours, right? So they went after that first wave, then you get A.J. Dillon. You get Harrison Bryant. You get Josh Ushay. Okay. So as we said, they're going with these low-cost one-year deals. Yeah. Makes sense.

So I think that Harrison Bryant is probably going to beat Jerome Baker. This is the downside of AI. Oh, this is the downside of AI. Yes, we have a DFOP who sent us a screenshot of the AI chat summary of this episode. It says viewers are discussing a picture of Harrison Bryant and his grandfather at Hooters and a possible incident during a live podcast involving Bo and an anti-Roma slur. They are also reacting to the latest episode of the podcast. When did you...

That's... This is your technology, baby. Sell me on this great technology. Well, clearly, AI needs to improve, right? And we talk about this. I don't think we discussed Hooters on this show. Yet. I mean, but, you know, they are smart.

Artificial intelligence is smart. So this could be... Artificial intelligence is not a sentient thing. So this could be what I am. going with here, okay? Florida Atlantic, where he went to college. Sure. Yeah, the owls.

The owls. Yeah. You think that's what it is? It's got to be. That's the only way that I can put together how one could go from. Is it possible that there's a, there's a hooters. I have it for you, actually. Yes.

Talking about your grandfather going to bed parks and bed parks is close to everything. And so there must be a hooters nearby where your grandfather is going to bed parks. Yeah. Well, maybe not for long. because I saw the Hooters is in trouble. I saw that as well, yeah. But, you know, my grandfather does go to Parks Casino and brings back Chickies and Peets for me.

I love Chickies and Peets. So. Hmm. We've got to feel like America's definitely going downhill if we can't even keep Hooters afloat. I mean, John Dewey, he's a big Hooters fan. Good insight. Have you ever been to a hooters?

Yes. I don't know if I've ever been there. Oh, what's a hooters? I don't think I've never even heard of hooters. Actually, I don't know that I think about it. They're known for their wings, right? I've seen it in the office where he said it was his birthday. And he got the birthday song, Michael Scott.

I recall that. But we used to go to Florida for our high school baseball trips. There was a hooters near the hotel where we were staying and it was like of course all the high school kids wanted to go to yeah. Yeah, it's headquartered down in Tampa so that would make sense

that there's a hooters. I didn't say we're getting to Tampa. I actually was I'm trying to think. I did go to Hooters when I was in college at the Carousel Mall. There's one and I saw the movie what's the movie about Brandon Lang's life about the sports gambler?

Al Pacino was in it, Matthew McConaughey was in it, two for the money or one for the money. And I think that, yeah, right out, I think I went to, I had wings at Hooters, or I think I had a chicken sandwich, and then I went to see the movie. Two for the money, yep.

And where do you think this anti-Roma slur comes from? Yeah, I don't know where that comes from. Well, thank God for technology. Oh yeah, I mean, I am thankful for technology, but we don't need to go there. I think you're right about that. Some super chats. Fresh Prince says, can we get more details of how the improbable game-winning shot Zeeb made against not Greg Paulus happened?

What made it so difficult? Also, he's live from Winston-Salem, but go heels. Got you go to hell. Fresh Prince, did you know that there are more North Carolina alums in Mecklenburg County than there are Wake Forest Alums in the world? Yeah. I always found that stat to be rivening. Wow.

We should have loved the show with it. Back when I covered the ACC, I used to talk about that because, and then Frank Hath, who was the coach of Miami at the time, did a great job recruiting Mecklenburg County. Anyways, it was not a game winning shot. It was just my last shot of the game. And what made it improbable is that it was a three-pointer that I hit in a college pickup game, right? I mean, you're not really getting open looks in college pickup games. So I was able to knock that down, felt good off the hand,

and that's all I needed at that point. Siriani's Buzzcut says, favorite starter Pokemon, favorite non-starter? Oh, good question. You know what, we are, we build these decks at home, but it's more about getting as many Pokemon into the deck as possible and less about, like, overloading it with, you know, three guard of Wari X's. It's just, we have fun.

Okay. But I'd love to learn more. If we have some real Pokemon sickos, I'd love to have a conversation. It's fun. I have a lot of fun playing with Casey. Yeah, my kids had one summer in, like when they were really into Pokemon,

everyone at the summer camp was playing it. I didn't quite understand it, but I know how popular they are because when I go to Wheelhouse, I see everyone's trading Pokemon cards. All right. It is Harrison Bryant, right? It is Harrison Bryant.

He has officially announced they have agreed to terms with Joshua Ushay. Okay. No word from them yet on the Harrison Bryant front. And they announced earlier the A.J. Dillon signing, which we didn't discuss on the show yesterday. That happened after the show. Yes, but we did have an emergency podcast. We did have an emergency podcast. Anything else that you want to say about A.J. Dillon?

No, AJ Dillon, I'm just real curious from a health perspective where he's, stands and I'm looking forward to speaking with him. I've heard impressive things about him. What? I've heard some less impressive things about him, but that's okay. Okay. What else you want to talk about? So of the free agents that, yeah, so the guys that I kind of earmarked for the Eagles, actually one of them was Harrison Bryant, but Jordan Four was the safety that I like, although

I did want to ask you, Marcus Williams. Yeah, we never finished. Jerome Baker or Asante Samuel Jr. Asante Samuel Jr. or Jeddrich Wills. Oh, so yes, so this happened as we're talking about. So I was in the middle of discussing this. The Eagles are going to need a swing tackle. That's an important spot. Hallie Roseman.

Go to go to the grocery store and turn that pineapple upside down. Swing tackle. Turn that pineapple upside. What am I missing with the joke? I know I'm not tall. This is way over my head. What? That's okay.

What am I missing? Don't worry about it. a swing tackle turn the pineapple upside down audience audience can you help me out oh my goodness is this true in the chat

what what happened they say John Finstein passed away is that really wow yeah that is true um yeah that's very sad

um John uh and just learning this now John is a great man, or John, I worked with him for two years. He was very helpful to me. Spent, this is happening in the ACC tournament. I remember going to dinner with him after the ACC tournament, the first round of the ACC tournament in 2009.

And I was in all of him. And he knew everybody. And he introduced, I remember that tournament. That was my first year covering the ACC. And John, the, the first year. referee came over before the game and John said, do you know Zach? And different coaches he introduced me to. And watching basketball next to him was incredible. And I've kept in touch with him from time to time throughout the past 15 years. I'm thinking of John and his family. That's very sad.

That's very sad. Yeah. Prolific. Yeah, prolific. Yeah, prolific. Great writer, great book writer. Yeah. Anyways, back to the Eagles. There's no natural transition for this. Swing tackles an important spot to monitor for them. Howie Roseman has said that they're going to need offensive, that they can never have enough offensive linemen. They obviously added green,

but Fred Johnson's a free agent. Fred Johnson was important, and we spoke about the importance of, we spoke about how Lane Johnson's getting older and Jordan Mila out of missed time last year. Who's playing offensive tackle for the Eagles if that were to happen? One thing I did wonder, off air, is that if the Eagles might look at Tyler Steen as an offensive tackle. Tyler Steen was a left tackle in college. He's played right tackle in the NFL.

Some. Eagles have obviously moved him to guard. But if Kenyon Green is the starting guard, I wonder if they would move him to offensive tackle. Yeah, I think the stuff that we have seen from Tyler Steen might suggest that he's better suited there. You know, he's more athletic than powerful, and he's probably better in pass pro than he is as a run blocker.

So I think that's possible, but I don't think they're ruling out him still winning that right card job. But I think it's a thing for them to keep in mind. I also think this is probably a good example of Howie Rosemans at some point we got to trust the young guys and let them play. Like, they probably do have to let their young backups handle these situations. Who has a better chance of returning to the Eagles?

Mackay Beckton or Fred Johnson? I think I would say Fred Johnson. Me too. Yeah, I think that's still on the table. Yeah. The Bechtin thing is, it is weird, the longer that he lingers. Yeah. And then I should also ask you, too,

the Harrison Bryant News. Do you think this is just adding to the roster, or can you deduce anything about Dallas Goddard from this move? I don't, I mean, I don't think that they're making their Dallas Goddard decision based on, now that they have Harrison Bryant. But I think it's some kind of internal band-aid in case they trade Goddard. I still, I still am going to be shocked if they release him. I feel like that will be cutting your nose to spite your face a little bit.

But I don't think, I think they would make this move even if Dallas-Codder was coming back. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. I agree. Do you think we're going to get resolution on that front this week? I thought, but like you said, financially, it does not benefit them doing anything before June 1st here. So they could play this out. What numbers did you get from run blocking for Harrison Bryant?

You were looking that up at one point. Yeah, but then we got way laid on Hooters and we haven't gotten that yet. But before we learned about the tragic passing of John Feinstein, I did want to ask. What was I missing with the swing tackle? You don't have to go back to this. Okay. I always get worried about my ignorance with something. Let's see.

Pass blocks. You know what? I did a whole search for this and it's not showing up. All right. Harrison Bryant. I mean, a lot of run blocking snaps. Not a lot of pass blocking snaps. Which would make sense.

Yeah, which would make sense. Yeah. I mean, he is a better blocker than, Brock Bowers, I think that's fair to say. Sure. And probably Grand Calcutera. And I should say, by the way, I was probably angered to the to the pre-draft

report on him. Like, pre-draft, he was known as a past catching tight end coming out of Florida. Yeah. So he's very well. He's continued, like, you know, when he was in Cleveland, he was playing next to Njoko. He was the blocking tight end. Yeah. So the, so he's probably improved as a blocker since then. Sure. Yeah.

Thanks for watching on Fast. Make sure you check out the rest of this episode on p.h.o.com. All p.h.oI.com. We're going to nover time. Yes, as the people in the chat, I've told you, the upside down pineapple is like an advertisement that you're a swinger. Oh, okay. I did not know that.

And it's probably good that I did not know that. Yeah. This is without me playing ignorant. Like, I literally did not know that. Yeah. I think Jamie Lynch is the one I told me that. Jamie here?

Shout to Jamie. What else you got? Not much else. Okay. But I feel like we got to give the people something for overtime. Any super chats? I think we're out of super chats. Any questions?

Any questions? Yeah. Ask us a question. Maybe I'll give you a, maybe I'll give you one of those blind rankings again. Kalee says, confirm Zach plays ignorant. Yeah, I already told you that. The Cisco thing. You know what?

There are times when you're playing ignorant. There are times when you just don't know. This was one where you just don't know. Yeah, the Cisco thing, I was playing ignorant. I didn't want to have a drop. So I just said I didn't know. They didn't want to have a drop. We don't do drops.

Yeah, but the audience could. There's a cottage industry on, on a Discord channel of screenshots of us in funny moments. so yeah certainly if i i would imagine if i said that song that there there could be a very technologically savvy viewer who cuts that up and then there's me talking about um that article of clothing and so and what would be and then what what's the fear then what so it's not a fear but but but one of the things that I'm working on, okay, because there's a lot that I've tried,

I'm in the process of working on with the show. One of the things that I'm working on is that I need to be in control of what comes out of my mouth, okay? That you can lead me to water, but it's my decision to drink it or not. This has been, this has been something that has been reinforced to me

by people who watch the show. And they say sometimes you, you know, bring it upon yourself because you're playing along. And so the side when you play along, and the side when you don't. Okay. Yeah. Are you guys watching Deli Boys?

I hear it's a cool fill. This is from Rob Milner. Thank you for your contribution. No, I would like to. I haven't gotten there yet. I've heard good things about it. I have so many TV shows I want to get to. Emily loves paradise.

But that's a post-draft endeavor. The only thing I'm watching right now is one hour, week on Sundays. I watch White Lotus. Okay. We also have a super chat from Y Tube who says, what were your favorite dishes at the Novacare cafeteria? Well, you were there longer than I was, so what's your answer? Great cookies. Okay. Breakfast was really the thing that was the biggest, the biggest hook for me. Great breakfast. I would, I would walk in and I would say to Tim. Tim, what do you recommend today? Of course. And Tim would make me what he recommended that day. Oh, you know what? We talk about the Eagles also made an addition to the coaching staff.

Yeah, according to Matt Zennis, a friend of mine used to cover the Ravens does a great job covering college sports. And the assistant quarterback's coach, the Eagles are hiring as an offensive assistant, the assistant quarterback's coach from Georgia, Montgomery, Van Gordor.

He played quarterback at Notre Dame and Youngstown State. You might remember, I believe, his father, as the defensive coordinator at one point for the Atlanta Falcons. Also, he was the defensive a coordinator at one point for Notre Dame. And like a great mullet mustache combination for his dad. Van Gorder's been at Georgia since 2019.

So he's worked with a number of different quarterbacks there. And he becomes the 45,000 coach in the NFL, whose dad was also a coached the NFL. So my guess is that he takes over the Kyle Valero role. Kyle Valero was an offensive assistant last year, mainly worked with quarterbacks, but he went with Kellan Moore and Doug Nussmeier to New Orleans. I think we have one more super chat, right? Dinkleberg, the Dingleberg is back.

Rank these players in order of the confidence you have in them starting. So now are we saying, you know, it's Steen, Ajima, Hunt, Trotter, Ringo, and Sidney Brown, but are we doing, if they start our confidence level in them playing well? or our confidence level in the likelihood that they will be starting. Yeah. So as day one starters of healthy, I am going. But which one are we doing? The latter, confidence in.

So confidence in that they will be the starter? Yes, confidence that they will be the starter. So I will go with Ojima 1, ring O2, hunt three. Now, Trotter could be a day one starter because Nukobo Dean's injured. but when the COVID Dean's back. Oh, yeah, but that's... Okay, yeah. So then Trotter 4, although I probably have Trotter higher based on that.

Steen 5, Brown 6. I still think that they add a safety over Brown. Interesting. Okay. I would go... Now, I mean, we can play semantics like Jordan Davis. We'll start over Ajima, but if we're talking about third down, who's going to be on the field, yes, I think it will be Ajima.

I'm not... I think J.L.X.O. I think Jail Exunt might start on the edge. I'm going to go Ringo 3, Steney Brown, four, Steen 5, Trotter 6. There you go. Khalif says, is Nolan Smith qualified for a fifth year option? That's not until they don't make that decision until next year. This offseason is when they have to make the Jordan Davis decision.

What do you think they're going to do there? I don't think they're going to pick it up. Yeah. Yeah, but as I wrote my 25-step guide to the offseason, as you can read on all p.g.l.com. Please be a diehard, $36 a month. I'm sorry, $36 a year, $3 a month, I said that they could not give him the option,

but extend him at a lower number than what the option would be, which is something I could see occurring. Yeah, I mean, I think, frankly, Jordan Davis is sort of the perfect example of, as the cap, cash crunch looms, and you want to only pay the A plus players or the A players and not the B, B plus players at the top of the market, that's not a big long-term extension you would do.

Yeah. But if they can get a team-friendly deal, then it makes sense. He's also, he's, he is a leader behind the scenes. He's someone who, I remember Fletcher Cox talking about him becoming the leader in the defensive line room. Yeah. So there you go. All right, good stuff.

We'll do better tomorrow. I mean, it was stuff. It's not our best show. I will know where to find the ad reads tomorrow. That blew my mind, man. 18 months. Has it been 18 months? Something like that? Yeah. Yeah, we started in September. So. I'm surprised this is the first time that there was a discrepancy. Yeah. Well, if we just moved over this week, then it was last week. Last week was the first week.

Last week was the first week. Okay, yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to rehash when I might have missed that. where I might have missed that. We should put that in writing, though. Well, it is just a place you didn't notice, probably. No, I mean, if I read something, I know it. So, yeah, it should be just as a reminder. Every ad read will be on Notion this week,

as opposed to the place you've been doing it for the last 18 months. I mean, I think that was communicated. You said it was communicated in the all hands. The All Hands was Which day? Which day was the All Hands Last week. It was two weeks ago, right?

Was it Friday? Friday, I would need to Look that up. But in any event, yeah, the show was not our finest show, but the good thing is we've done what, three emergency shows this week or four emergency shows this week? plus a show at every

two o'clock every day so I think everyone's getting their their money's worth I'm trying to see if it's in if I can find it here I totally missed I totally missed that another super chat

Shay But were you saying Nolan Smith is a first round pick Yes of course I never debated that Nolan Smith was a first round pick Just not the first round pick The first of two first round picks We don't need to really to get this

Well no no because I only predicted one first round pick that year So I didn't predict two first round picks. We're not really getting this. I'm not asking the relitigate. I mean, you can't relitigate facts. You can really. So, yeah, we don't need to relitigate facts.

You lose so much credibility when you make this argument. Well, once again, just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You predicted he would be the. The Eagles first round pick, and he was the Eagles first round pick. I mean, I didn't predict. This makes you so. Much of a liar. Well, all right.

Well, that's, that's, um, it's, it's not, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous, but okay. All right, we don't need to go down that,

that whole. The good news is I, I'm the one who correctly predicted last year's first round pick. Yep. And that's, as, uh, as sincere.

Equally accurate. It's equally fact. As sincere as, as one could be right there. Yes, it's equally fact. You're not entitled to your own facts. All right.

Uh, well, uh, For all of our favorite Hooters patrons, we thank you for listening and watching the show today. I think tomorrow's show will be better. Hopefully we have our ad reads buttoned up a little bit more. And I don't know, maybe more nudity. For Zach, I'm Bo.

We thank you for watching and listening. Thanks to Julia for making it happen. Thanks for joining us in overtime. And we will talk to you tomorrow. As always, we love you. We all silly like the mayor.