PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Todd Monken, Mike McDaniel, Brian Daboll & the 25 candidates for Eagles offensive coordinator

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

With Kevin Patullo out as Eagles OC, we turn our focus to the possible replacements to lead Jalen Hurts, DeVonta Smith, Saquon Barkley and (maybe?) A.J. Brown in a new direction. From former head coaches like Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski and Brian Daboll to proven offensive coordinators like Todd Monken, we’re running down all the options. Join EJ Smith and Bo Wulf for the full list. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.L.Y. Eagles show on Wednesday afternoon, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, live from the Xfinity Studio, and presented by Bet365 and Ashley, as we turn our attention to the search for a new offensive coordinator. E.J., how you doing? I think at the end of the show, I want to really grill you on your first night as a professor. But how did it go last night? It went well. I was excited. My class was more engaged than I thought they were going to be. They had a lot of questions about Kevin Petullo, actually. So we had a good discussion about that. And yeah, no, after class, I dug in. I got into some. I really was digging out some of these offensive coordinator candidates, you know, really making sure. What a busy night. I showed up, prepared.

I was up until the wee hours of the morning doing this. Impressive refractory period. And I've noticed that you have been really grinding the offensive coordinator research here, literally until seconds before the show. So, no, I'm excited. It's going to be a good discussion. I got some takes. Let me ask you, before we get into the names themselves, do you think that this is a case of the Eagles trying to big name hunt

and chase a, you know, a sexy big name? Or is it looking for somebody who maybe can be here for a while? I don't know. How do you think they're going to approach it? They're not mutually. Yeah, they're not mutually exclusive. Yeah, they're not mutually exclusive. And they should have some kind of, they should be looking.

into both buckets, of course, find the best candidate, but I don't know. Do you think they have someone they want for sure? I mean, there's probably a clear top tier of candidates, and I'm sure that they're interested in some of those guys, like, you know, the Mike McDaniels of the world. I do think that they're going to try and make a splashy hire, because this is really what we've, this is their track record is that they like to make forward-thinking splashy hires. It's not always like the biggest name, but it usually is one of the more impressive people in the field. So I'm sure that they'll probably do their due diligence on a lot of guys. But no, I do.

I think this is an attractive job. We can talk about that. You can kind of, we can expand on that later in the show. But I think it's an attractive job. I think it's a job that will, you know, entice really high-level names and high-level, you know, well-thought of people across the league. And, yeah, no, I think the Eagles will definitely try to make a splash with this one. Yeah, what do you make of the relative attractiveness of this job?

Yeah, you know, me and Anthony debated this on the show this morning. And I think this is an attractive job. Now, I think if you look, like, obviously there's a lot of head coaching opportunities, but a lot of them you're not going to walk into a situation with as much established talent. And as whatever the discussion is around Jalen Hertz, like he is a franchise quarterback, and you're not going to have that in a lot of the situations that you'll step into. So the Lions offensive coordinator job, you can make an argument that that's more enticing. Yeah.

I think that, you know, Anthony, I were talking about the Bucks OC job, but really, I think that the Eagles' OC job is probably one of the more attractive openings. I think the Chargers, like maybe you talk yourself into the Chargers. I mean, obviously, commanders, you can work with Jaden Daniels. Well, that guy, they've already filled that job. Oh, okay, right. David Blow, of course. They couldn't pass that up.

I apologize for that. Ravens, to me, I actually, I would prefer the Eagles job over the Ravens job. How come? I think that Lamar is in a little bit more of a shaky spot. going into next season than Jalen. And I just think the Eagles, the offense outside of the quarterback position is a little bit more established.

We also, you don't know who the head coach is. Sure, but even still, I think the Eagles job is going to be one of the most. Like, there are few jobs in the NFL where you have very tangible evidence that if you go there and you succeed and you are an up-and-coming coordinator, you will get head coaching looks at the following season.

And you're going to be compared to a really bad offensive season. True. Yeah. Like you have a chance to look. I mean, if you come in and the Seagull's offense is out of like 12th in the league, it will be as if you have worked wonders, right? Yeah. Listen, the spotlight of having this job and the arrows that come with it, of course,

that's a big deal. And I'm sure that it's not easy. Yeah, it's a tough needle to threat. We've talked about that on the show. I don't know. Like if you're a coach and you believe in yourself, like this is a place, this is absolutely a star-making opportunity. See, that's exactly it.

Like, from a pragmatic point of view, like, you look at it, from like a cold, calculated point of view, we look at this and we're like, you know, Jalen Hertz has a way it wants, that he wants it to look, that he wants it to look. It's not like you walk into this job and you have total unilateral control over what it looks like. Here's how I feel. Go ahead, we'll finish your point. But a lot of these guys, especially a lot of them are former quarterbacks, they've got egos. Some of them will have God complexes.

Well, that's what I'm saying. They'll walk into this job and say, I can fix this. The candidate who is too skittish and too downside motivated to not want this job shouldn't get the job anyway. Sure. I want someone who's going to come in here and run this offense like they're a badass. And that's the person who's going to want this job. Yeah. No, you want someone who's going to let them hang as Dylan Hertz would say?

Because that's what they didn't do all season long. I apologize for the lewd reference. You've been all over the place today. But, you know, the essence of what I was. just alluding to them. Yeah. I want someone here who's going to knock down the door. Yeah.

No, you want someone that's going to say, this is what we're doing. And Fran talked about it yesterday. You want someone with a clear identity. And I like the framing of it's going to be a litmus test. If you hire the right candidate, it will be a litmus test next season. This is the offense that they've run in the past.

If it looks different, you then know it's Nick Siriani or Jalen Hertz, and then you can investigate which one is really pulling the strings and making the offense look different. And especially if we get into some of these guys, I think that there is a chance that that's what we'll be talking about next year. All right, a couple super chats before we get to the candidates. Let's start.

I think we missed a couple of yesterday, by the way. So apologies on that front. How my hair look, Mike. Great line. Says, to hear more with a dry jerry curl. Hashtag E.J. lookalike. Hashtag mild offensive on behalf of Bo. To hear more?

I don't know to hear more. Oh, yeah. I mean, black with freckles. I don't know who is that His hairline and mine are actually pretty close Yeah maybe we can do some lookalikes later in the show I still haven't heard one that's really hurt my feelings Moosa 86

Won't a new OC want to bring in his own staff Four out of six offensive assistant coach positions Are basically tenured and likely not going anywhere Is that your understanding EJ? I wouldn't say I wouldn't go so far as saying that it's It would be a guess for me at this point but I would guess that a lot of the assistants are up in the air. We also don't know, yeah.

I mean, like, we don't know what their contract situations are. It's possible that several of them are on expiring contracts. Yeah, there are some guys on that staff that are on expiring contracts. So that will definitely be a big factor. But I think even like separating for what we talked about yesterday, like the succession planning, you're right. If you hire a big name candidate, they will want to bring in their own staff. Now, I would say any candidate that you want to hire, like, With the Kingsbury thing from last year, our friend Zeeby, the guy who did that interview with David Baker,

about Kingsbury's reservations with working with Jeff Stoughtland and how that would work with his scheme, like to me, your ideal candidate does not challenge Jeff Stoutland's position at all. Like, he sees the value there. Ideally, yeah. I would be surprised if stats going anywhere. Oh, yeah. I don't want to get into the specifics of the guys on the staff. Yeah, I don't want to like name the names, but I do think.

There are highly regarded position coaches on that staff, but I do think that when you hire a new person, you probably need to bring in some of their people. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, these guys spend most of their time with their position coaches. They need to understand the scheme, and they need to be able to teach it. Okay. And then there's also the succession planning part of it, which we talked about yesterday.

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11 a.m. Now, the big deal here, we are looking at E.J. what have you prepared for us? Thanks to Danez. You've got some charts that are including, what do we got here? Sort of the big five, is that right? Cliff Kingsbury, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefansky.

See how, yeah, you're doing well. Todd Munkin. Todd Munkin and who? Brian Daibol. Brian Daibol. Okay. So if you look at historically these offensive coordinators, this is their EPA. We're going to go with the EPA per drive and success rate graph here, Lindsay.

It really illustrates the different years that you would see, like I guess the highest level years that these guys have had. So you'll see Brian Dayball with the bills at the top there. That was the highest success rate offense of the group. You've got Todd Munkin with the Ravens on the right side. offensive EPA per drive, he was at the top in that category. What stood out to me is that Cliff Kingsbury's season with the commanders in 2024 came in third here, like, you know, on the chart. And then you have Mike McDaniels, Miami Dolphins,

and then Brian Dayball's Buffalo Bills again in finishing out that top five. Any surprises there for you? Are you surprised by Kingsbury's inclusion in there? No, I mean, I know that he was very successful in the last two years. I'm actually, I'm even more impressed by the commander's, numbers this year than I am. Yeah, that's fair. Last year, I mean, this year they were 13th in success rate and 15th in EPA per drive with mostly not Jaden Daniels.

Yeah. That to me is an impressive coaching job. Do you want me to get into this now? Sure. So I did a lot of research yesterday. Well, hold on. What are the other charts that you want to show us? Let's get through the charts. Okay.

All right. Big deal here. And then we'll get into how you feel. All right. So, Lindsay, let's do the play action and middle of field target rates here. Okay, so this is like this is doing things that maybe the Eagles don't do. You can see the Eagles in the bottom-up corner there. They really do not utilize either elements of this in their office very much. They get play action on the X-axis and middle-of-the-field targets on the Y-axis. And to me, what I wanted to see on this chart is who would be high in play-action percentage,

but low enough. Yeah. Yeah, low enough in middle-field target percentage that you could talk yourself into Jalen Hertz thriving in this office. That's not to say that Jalen Hertz can't throw over the middle of the field. Maybe with the right in the right system that opens it up enough for him to throw it with conviction and confidence and anticipation. Maybe that is possible. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I just think it's less of a projection if you're dealing in the bottom part of that graph, the bottom right. And what's said out to me is Brian Dayball's down there.

Brian Dayball utilizes a lot of play action. You know, he's got like a scheme that marries up the run with the pass, as they say. but it does not rely on middle field targets from a heavy amount of middle field targets. I just, it's hard to, like, it's one thing to say, like, you can get Jaylen Hertz to access that part of the field more. You can manufacture those throws. It's another thing entirely to say, we're going to build the whole offense. Sure, I agree with that.

And if you want to flash that up one more time. Stephansky's in there as well, in a reasonable rate. Yeah, Stefansky's in there. McDaniel is, like, in the danger zone for me. And then obviously that 49er season with McDaniel at the top there, that, is the one where it's like, I just don't know if you're going to get 60 plus percent targets from Jalen Hertz. But that tells you a little bit that he's able to build different kinds of offenses.

Yeah, but still, it would be a departure from what he's done. So I was tempted to do like a bunch of memes when I was going through these offensive coordinators. Have you seen the meme where it's like there's one person will be it's only 10 p.m. and then the other person will be, it's already 10 p.m. Right. Or it's, you know, whatever it is. It's, yeah, it's already 10 p.m.

And then it's only 10 p.m. And those two people marry each other. That kind of feels like Mike McDaniel and Jalen Hertz, where it's like, all I want to do is throw over the middle of the field. And Jalen hurts is like, I never want to throw over the middle of the field. I think it could be fine. I don't know. Yeah, he can fix me.

You're just talking about marriages. And now, like. I don't know. It just, it kind of makes me nervous. It's like, I don't know. The one that I have is. vacations. Like, when I go on vacation, I just want to sit around.

I don't want to do anything. Right. And my wife is like, I want to do every single thing I can possibly do on this trip to make the most out of it. And then you marry, like, you marry each other. And then every vacation, there's always that third day where you're both, I mean, I don't want to say miserable, but, you know, you're both like, oh, man, like we are not compatible sometimes on these vacations.

You have to be able to do both. That's got, well, yeah, you got to, well, marriage is about a balance. Maybe that's your argument. But I don't know. If it's week four. And Mike McDaniel's like, Jalen, look how open I got this guy. And Jalen's like, I just want to relax. I just want to sit by the pool.

I don't know. Makes me nervous. All right. Who's your last one? Not to pour cold water on McDen. He's everyone's boy here. This one is a dayness special. And let me say, shout out to Danes for the charts, but I have to apologize to Danes because I sent the wrong ones.

He sent them with the years on them. It's been a hectic day, in my defense. But yeah, this is the early down under center and 11 personnel rates. Professor on. I'm going to let you explain this one. Danes was really excited about it. All right, so you got early down under center percentage on the X axis and 11 personnel rates on the Y axis.

And so Danes wants to know who's going heavy. And I'm assuming that means he doesn't want the heavy. But you see that those are, those are Stefansky ten poles. Yeah. Look at all those browns. The other thing that stood out on us. Don't. No, nobody took it that way.

I'm not an ice agent. Jesus. The thing that stood out was that looking through Stefansky's advanced metrics over the years, he's very aggressive on neutral downs. He was a little bit less aggressive and neutral downs for those listening. Basically, early downs when the game is still in hand

and you're not in like an unfavorable situation where you need to pass or you would be maybe more predisposed to run historically. And Stephansky's, pretty aggressive in those scenarios, which I take as a positive. I think it's probably something Jeffrey Lorry would like to see. I don't know if Nick Siriani likes to see that. Let's close the big deal here on Wawa, and thank you to Wawa, our dear friends here. Let's start here with Kevin Stafansky before we go to break. Let's do the first one here.

This is, I think, second in our order, Lindsay. I just, I find it really difficult to imagine Kevin Stefanski taking this job. I agree. Because there are nine openings. Presumably he's going to get a head coaching job. And even if not, I don't think that, like I could see, as we talked about before, I could see Kevin Stefanski coming here as offensive consultant, like senior offensive consultant.

He's part of the staff. He's not the offensive coordinator. And he's doing like the Vrabel thing. He knows that this is his one year to prepare for a job next off season. I don't know that I would expect Nick Siriani to welcome in Kevin Stefansky as the offensive coordinator that relationship is odd to me

I just I find the idea of him as O.C. very unlikely. I agree with you but for different reasons. I actually think Stefanski's personality would probably be about as ideal as you'd like to have in the building in the meeting rooms. Yeah.

He's got experience and equity. I'm going to use the word equity a lot today. morning you know. He's got the equity to walk into an Eagles offensive meeting and say this is how we're going to do it and he will command the respect because of his track record that he will have the latitude to do that

right. So I think he'd be a good fit even like being around him in a limited amount of time with joint practices and just you know I've been to a couple of events in the area and he does have like a cool like demeanor. I agree. I think he

would he'd mesh well between Nick and Jalen, he kind of would sit in between them. Don't make that weird. And yeah, no, so I think personality-wise, I think he would fit well. I think he does some interesting things schematically. I hadn't thought about it. Like, Nick wouldn't be comfortable with Stefansky. And listen, it might not be his decision.

But I also... I just think it's a move point because he's probably going to get a head coaching job. I think he probably gets a job. And I also, I mean, obviously you're solving for this season alone. That's the thing that matters, trying to get this team back to the Super Bowl. but I do think that hiring Stefansky is

unless we win the Super Bowl okay we have a pretty good year he probably goes somewhere else we're replacing him again and you're back to ground zero schematically right unless you know unless you're bringing in him and you know Tommy Reese or whoever

and now it's you have the plan that it's going to be Tommy Reese next year Tommy Reese take that job you think past game coordinator maybe we'll talk about him later I guess yeah And I do want to say, I do think that Stefancy would be a good offensive quarterback. Oh, absolutely. But we do, I mean, we have to say it again.

Dead last in offense this year, offensive EPA per drive and success rate. Dead last year. 28th in both the year before. I know he's had nothing but bad quarterbacks for the most part. But he hasn't, he hasn't coordinated an above average offense since he was in Minnesota when only then they were, you know, they were 17. in success rate, 10th in EPA per drive, 16th in success rate,

ninth in EPA per drive. They were good, but I just, it's not, it's not a home run. Yeah, I mean. It's not a guaranteed home run. I think, I think if you were able to have Stavanski's offensive coordinator, I think that would be a great hire.

Yeah, and I, we've said a million times, like, I think the quarterbacks are a big factor in the efficiency metrics. And it cuts both ways. Like, I was showing, like, the EPA per drive success rate graphs. Like, Brian Dable did really nice things. I actually do think his offensive scheme is really interesting, but he had Josh Allen.

Like, that's why his offense was so efficient. Yeah. All right. Let's take our first break here. Come back with more on the other side. We got 24 names more to bring your way. So the other morning, getting the three kids to school, jumble as always. Then I got to come in do the Brandon Graham show.

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Why not just run your offense and teach Jalen how to operate in it? It seems simple. How was class, E.J.? I start with you first. You already said how class was. And we'll get to it. I got some good stories about class. Yeah.

Hold tight, Fresh Prince. I appreciate the Super Chat. We got too much offensive coordinator stuff to get into. Thank you for the kind of words. Fresh Prince. I don't, you know, I want to reiterate that that's not saying that it's all the coaching staff's fault either. It's the marriage

of Nick and Kevin and Jalen this season obviously didn't work for whatever reason, whoever's fault it is. It's obviously a combination of all of their faults. It's reasonable to move on. Well said. Okay. Matthew Greenwood.

Balancing personality. Leffler for OC and bring in Foles for quarterbacks coach. Left has scheme and accountability. Foles laid back but can help QB growth. Leffler's interesting. I mean, I wouldn't totally, like, hand-wave the idea.

I think they probably will try to do something a little bit more. I mean... Yeah. I don't want to say, like, ambitious, because that sounds like... No, but I think that there's... I think that's probably the right word. Yeah. That's more of a reflection of the candidates out there.

I think the only way that they would hire Leffler is if the truth behind the scenes was that he was responsible for the red zone. Yeah, yeah. even if he wasn't I could see him just saying it I could see that I could totally see that I mean as someone who deals with these messaging

messaging all the time you can totally see that I mean I think that there yeah there is a way you could sell it I think you probably would just make him past game coordinator and like waiting on the wings yeah I think this is a bigger picture take as I went through these guys I

I oh no I did that one to myself. As I went through the information about the candidates, I came away just thinking, like, I really feel like they need someone with extensive NFL play calling experience. Like, I... Why?

Because we've seen the variance that this offense with the characters at play, especially with the characters at play, we've seen what it looks like when there's a first-time play caller that maybe needs to find their way. I think you just, I think you want the floor to be high with this next hire. I'd not say you can't also find someone who has coached a high, high level offense and elite offense, but there are enough candidates that also can give you at least the, I know how to call a game. You know, I just think it's a variable that I wouldn't want to invite if I were the Eagles.

Not to say that, like, there aren't a lot of interesting candidates that don't have that. I would lean toward either having someone with extensive play calling experience or hiring somebody without it, but having a backup plan that is someone with extensive play calling experience. Like that is the... I think that's what I expect them to do.

Really? You think it's going to be like a hot up-and-comer? No, no, I expect them to have someone with extensive play-call-clay. You could talk me into... Well, I'll... Okay, let's get to somebody's... We've got a lot of names to go through. All right, let's start at the top. Let's get to Mike McDaniel here.

Mike McDaniel, you know that he comes from the Shanahan Tree, all about motion and being very precisely on time, a lot of middle of the field. We got to mention that it sounds like it was a pretty acrimonious split with Vic Fangio after the one year they worked together in Miami. My understanding is that that is true, but I don't know how that doesn't necessarily mean they can't work together now. Maybe that makes practice really fun,

one side of the ball going up against the other. This year, 24th in success rate, 25th in EPA per drive for that Dolphins offense playing with Bad Tua, a bunch of guys injured. Last year, 15th in success rate, 24th in APA per drive. 2003, their best year offensively, top 10 in both. The first year he got there, they were 21st and success rate, 13th in EPA per drive, and the one year that he was the coordinator for the Niners, they were 13th in success rate, and 11th in EPA per drive, which were both big jumps from the Niners performance the year before. How would you feel about a potential Mike McDaniel, Jalen Hertz, marriage?

That's not the marriage I'm excited about when I was going through the numbers on Mike McDaniel. Okay. I'm going to give you the number. Don't look at my screen and let's see if the chat gets it too. The number's 24.7. Why do you think that number excites me? 24.7? Mm-hmm.

This number ranked number two in the NFL. It's a percentage. I'll give you that. I don't know. motion rate? 21 personnel, baby. I think it actually is illustrative of something, though, which is that

he has a fun offense. Like, he does a lot of creative things. What are you about to do? He's got... Trying to get my freaking Wi-Fi to work. A lot of two back sets, a lot of 22 personnel, even. So, yeah, no, I think that Mike McDaniel

would be... I think the run game would be really fun with Mike McDaniel. I think if you're bringing him in, you are selling a dominant run game. Like the thing you hear Nick and Howie talking about at the podium is, you know, we've seen so we saw, we really like what he does in the run game. You know, we've been at our best when we have a dominant run game. We think he can help us get back there.

And then from there, I think it's play action game. I am still, like I said, worried about the marriage between Mike McDaniel and Jalen Hertz from the perspective of he does build his offense around a lot of middle field. targets, something we just haven't seen Jalen Hertz comfortable doing at a high volume. I think, I think that Mike McDaniel is not married to a scheme. I mean, I think he has his predilections. I think that he is someone who can be a problem solver. Okay.

In different ways. I mean, he's coming from Shanahan. So he's running Shanahan's thing in San Francisco. He comes to Miami and he changed the offense a little bit from the Shanahan version. He assessed what they had. You have these super fast guys. You've got a quarterback who needs to get rid of the ball quickly and is talented at the time, you know, anticipating.

Throwing the spots. Yeah. I think that Mike McDaniel, the case for him is that this is a guy who really understands offensive football and would be able to build something from scratch based on the strengths of the guys here. Yeah. I think that he is the home run swing.

of the hires. Again, he might also get another job. Yeah. And I could, him I could see, the Vick stuff aside, however that relationship is, I could see him looking at this job as I can go there. We can be awesome and I'll get a head coaching job next year. I tend to agree. I think, I see the upside. I totally see the upside. I think it's the biggest upside. I also think it's a big variance. I think it could go wrong. So again, you're going to see with these, I think I'm just risk-averse.

with this higher. I don't think the Eagles need to have a top five offense to be a Super Bowl contender next year and that maybe is why I am more risk averse than you when we're going through these but yeah I just there's a little bit of projection

that I don't feel super confident. I think you're right there's a chance that he builds it and like Tua is also a limited quarterback you know there are things that Tua cannot do he found ways to build an offense around what were his strength. To allude to something I'm going to get into later, there's a candidate on this list that I am like

Googly-eyed at the fact that they got a quarterback that I perceive as limited to do something that I didn't think they could do. So, to a throwing over the middle of the field, maybe he should get a lot of credit for that. You're right. But it's still a projection, still makes me just a little nervous. I think, again, I think the real selling point with him is that you'll have a creative, dynamic run game that has the tacticalos circling things every day. Oh, man, Mike McDaniel, look at what he did here. So, no, I think it would be really fun. I'm a little bit worried about what the past game would look like. I think if you, if you, if they interview him,

I kind of think they should hire him if that makes sense. Okay. If it even gets to an interview. I don't know if it would. He's going to have options. He's going to have options. He can, he can, if he doesn't, if Land a Head Coaching job, he probably does have his pick of offensive coordinator jobs.

But if the Eagles are willing to, if the Vick stuff doesn't matter, and Nick is on board with it, I mean, I want to see it. This is the most interesting to me. It'd be great for me. I mean, he's great with the media, so I'm in. Good for you. Content.

All right, let's get to the next one. We've got like 23 of these. We sure do. Let's go Brian Dable. Brian Dable, through the first 10 games this season, as you see there. They were 21st and success rate and 16th in EPA per drive when he got fired.

Last year, they were 30th and 29th. The year before that, 31st and 29th. but that first year with the Giants, 16th and 9th. And that was coming off of the Giants the year before, having the worst offense in football. So that was a significant jump. We know they had an easy schedule. We know that Daible has experience with Nick Siriani.

We know that he has experience with Jalen Hertz. Those Bill's teams were very good. Top five offenses in his last two years in Buffalo. Obviously, Josh Allen gets the bulk of the credit for that. But he is an experienced play caller. He does not have super strong tendencies in any one way.

I think he's proven. He also was coordinators in other places before the bills has proven that he can have different kinds of offenses. Now the personality dynamics are very interesting because the idea of him

going nuts on the sideline with Nick also going nuts on the sideline. They're going to be yelling at each other. Someone's going to power bomb somebody else. But I don't know. Maybe you want to be messy. Let's go.

Like, I don't, yeah. I think I could, I could get on board with Dable. So to cross-promote a little bit here, I did, I went through the 11 candidates that, most of who we'll talk about at the top here. And I wrote, you know, about the advanced metrics. It's on all p.h-o-i.com. And yeah, no, I just, I went through these guys. Like I said, I got to stop saying that. I went through the information on these guys.

And I gave a confidence meter for, or a confidence. rating for all these how likely it is how much it makes sense for the Eagles Brian Dayball tied for first on my confidence meter so I like this one he has a like you said he has a track record of coaching elite offenses he has some versatility and some flexibility in his system I really liked how again how play action heavy he was I like the quarterback run game stuff I like that he's got connections to the two main characters that will help shape the Eagles offense next season obviously Jaylon Hurts didn't have the greatest season with Brian Daibald but they have a good relationship.

I think that if they hire Brian Dayball, they need to put a clause in the contract that he's going to call games from the coach's box. Oh, that's a good idea. Get him off the sideline. Is that he did? Well, he switched midway through his tenure in Buffalo. Get him in that box, detach from everything. That's a good idea.

Him and Nick can lose it on the headset, but Jalen can be separate from it. I think that if you, I think, I like that idea. If there's a clause in that contract or he's in the coach's box, I'm totally in. And for the record, credit to Deonté League. because he made this point on social media about their personalities being combustible. Love a Deonté. Yeah, he's great.

But yeah, no, I think, schematically, he's a good fit in pretty much every way. I was texting with someone in the league who knows. Wow. These guys, well, it's fine. And they were like, Daveo would be a home run. Now, that's one person.

But just because of the varied experience that he has done a bunch of different things. And I also, this is a case of, you can let him just be the head coach of the offense. Yeah. Right. Presumably he would have a couple

lieutenants to bring with him, hopefully not my Kafka. And like he can just, you can set it and forget it, let him, let him do that. And I also think that there is a case to be made that some of the guys

were talking about, you know, Stefanski's offense, stable to, that if they're coming off of having been a head coach to be able to silo their focus on just the offense

and not all the other distractions that come with being a head coach, there's some real upside. Yeah, that boosts. I mean, some guys are, just overqualified offensive coordinators

that aren't actually head coach material. It's kind of, you see, you see that across the NFL. Maybe the mass. That's fine. The other nice thing, the other nice thing about Dayball is he probably doesn't get a head coaching job immediately if it goes well. I think if it goes well enough, I think he probably does. I think, but maybe not. The crash outs on the sideline, I feel like some organizations

are like, we're good on that. Did you see what CDP said? He said that Nick's going to run up to the booth. I could honestly see that. You start flipping the boothing the bird. The broadcast is like, Nick Siriani, we've seen running down the tunnel. All right, we've got to go to break.

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Last year with the Ravens, eighth in success rate, 11th in EPA per drive. The year before that, arguably the best offense in football. The first year he got there, sixth in success rate, eighth in EPA per drive after they had had a middling season. on offense before that. But you go further back. Cleveland, 23rd and 21st, despite, and that was only a meager improvement, the one year in Tampa Bay,

11th in success rate, 10th in EPA per drive, which was just about where they were the year before. With Todd Munkin, you are getting someone who has done this job for a long time. I'm not quite as excited about Todd Munkin as some people seem to be.

Okay. I actually, I think it would make sense. I think Nick Siriani would be very intrigued to know that Todd Monkins, Baltimore Ravens, the 2024 season, they ranked number, they have, sorry, let me say this the right way. They had the most explosive offense that we've seen in a three-year sample. Yeah.

So explosive plays, vertical passing game, a really good run game that's tied to it, some fun, like, quarterback run game, screen game off of that. He ties a lot of stuff together. I don't know. It was fun to, like, see some of the cutups of a Todd Monk in offense. Obviously, like, I've always really loved watching Lomkin. I mean, that's not a hot take. Everybody does.

But yeah, I think it would be a fun offense. I just don't think Todd Munkin will actually land with the Eagles. Like, if he doesn't get a head coaching job, why wouldn't he follow John Harbaugh wherever he goes? Because he had better players here. Why would he want? I mean, so do the Giants? To me, that is where, like, I just, there's still some, I think it's a good job, but there's variance. I don't know.

Yeah. It just feels like a- And then, Harbaugh was like, you know, standing on the, for him, right? And so maybe they're linked in that way. Yeah, I just, I don't know. If the Eagles could hire Todd Munkin, I would be excited about it. Oh, Ranger Suarez signing with their Boston Red Sox. Oh, I like a Ranger Suarez.

That team, man. That team. Yeah, I think we know how you feel. That's all I said what I said. And I'm not saying anymore. Yeah, no, I think Todd Munkin would be a great hire. They're like the Stefansky on the plot. I think it would be an inter-

I think it'd be a good hire. I just, I will believe in when I see it. I'm kind of the same way with a lot of the top guys. I actually feel like if I was Todd Munkin, this might be the job I would want. Interesting. Because of the talent. Because of the talent.

Maybe if you don't get the head coaching opportunity you want, you think, okay, I'll be there for a year or two. Yeah. I don't know. why anyone would hire him as a head coach, but... I think he's just going to follow a hardball. Maybe I could be wrong. And if he is available,

I actually, you're not going to like this, I would take him over Mike McDaniel. I would. Why? Because I think... You think he could stay longer or... It's less of a projection. Okay.

I think that the floor for Todd Munkin is a little higher. Just a... The ceiling probably isn't quite as high. I don't know. I don't know. I think Todd Munkin... And, Todd Munkin, especially the under-center stuff that he showed with Lamar this year, I think is encouraging, as we discuss the possibility that that is going to be the next phase for Jalen.

So I think he's got some versatility there. Like, it doesn't have to be quarterback run game. It can be. Obviously, we've seen him do a lot of really good stuff with that, but it can also be under-center run game. So there's creativity, there's flexibility in the scheme. I actually think he's really well-suited for Jalen Hertz as an offensive coordinator. I think if you hire Todd Munkin, the thing Nick and Hallier are saying is that we wanted to hire a play caller that would really get the most out of Jalen.

I think, yeah, it's someone with real experience, play-calling experience. Yeah, I could be sold. All right, next up, the last of the big five, we'll call it. Cliff Kingsbury. You know what you're getting with Cliff in terms of the style, and I think it's probably the easiest transition in terms of like a new kind of scheme for

Jalen. You're living in shotgun. The quarterback run game is going to be a part of. of it. You're playing in the spread. Obviously, the red flag of having a first and last name, both starting with K. I am impressed with what he was able to do with the commanders this season, as we said before, 13th and success rate, 15th in EPPer Drive. Last year, they were fifth and fourth. Now, in Arizona, not so good. 23rd and 28th, they only got worse as his career went on, although that first year he was there, he turned them from the worst offense in football

to a middle-of-the-road offense, which was an impressive turn. We know that they're The Eagles were interested in Cliff Kingsbury when they hired Kellan Moore. Reportedly some, as you said, disconnect on Jeff Statland. I would imagine that this time if he comes, he's just going to live with Jeff Statland. I could be sold. I could be sold on Cliff. You could be. But he would not be my top choice.

I went through the exercise yesterday. The biggest surprise was how I came away from this exercise feeling about Cliff Kingsbury. I talked myself all the way in on it. Big ego. You're all, like, this is going to be. You want the big ego. You want them to walk into the room and say, this is what I do. I would argue that this is going to be messier than Dable.

No. Oh, come on. That's ridiculous. That is utterly ridiculous. Dables is a hot head. This guy crashes out every week on the sideline. And the other guy, has Cliff Kingsbury ever crashed out on the sideline? You saw the photos of him sitting in his house in Arizona.

Oh, so he's handsome. He's handsome. No, he's got those. He's handsome. He's handsome. expensive lovers on. Oh, give me a break. Get out of here.

He's ready to take Nick's job. He's, he's like winking at Howie any time Nick says something funny. Cliff is a, is a fox in the henhouse. Oh, my God. You just, that is such a like, whatever, man, whatever. I don't even know, like, what to say. You're just, like, basing it off the fact that he's tall and, like, has fancy hair. No, I'm talking about his reputation.

And the fact that he thinks very highly of himself. You just said you want a guy who comes into that meeting room and is like, this is my show. I know. I know. If you, again, you put. I was willing to go for him fourth down. That's good.

McDaniel, Munkins, Tafansky, Dayball, and Kingsbury's best offensive seasons up against each other. Kingsbury's got two of the top seven. The 2024 commanders and the, what year from the Cardinals? 21, 2021 Arizona Cardinals. He got Kyler Murray, over 50% middle field target.

percentage. Kyler Murray. He has authored different types of offensive schemes. He has been creative in quarterback run game. He has been creative in the play action game. I think he would be an ideal fit for Jalen Hertz. I think he would be an ideal fit in the, from a standpoint of he has extensive play calling experience, extensive experience building different schemes with flexibility.

And when he gets it right, the upside is as high as any of these guys. There's no disputing it. You see it. And especially, like, I look at this chart, right? It's Lamar Jackson. It's Josh Allen. And then Tua Tunga Vailo, which is impressive. But Jaden Daniels, he had a great rookie season.

How much of that is Kingsbury? And then Kyler Murray is in here. Like, when you look at this, he has elevated some quarterbacks that aren't really in the same conversation as some of these top guys that we are talking about. So to me, I walked away from it. Like, I actually came in very skeptical of Cliff Kingsbury. Like the reputation that he has falling apart at the end of seasons

And you know just generally the fact that he's bounced around a little bit more I just when I when I really look through the numbers I talked myself more and more into it I think you can I am open to the case that Cliff gives them the best chance to win the Super Bowl in 2026 Yeah I think the upside like I said is as high as anybody on this list I it is not something that's gonna lead to stability You don't think of all his office Offenses do typically get worse the longer he's there in the season, the longer in the season.

I can sell you on this too. As the Kingsbury bump goes away, that Jalen Hertz postseason bump shows up. You're the one we saw this year? No, you know what I mean. Like that Jalen Hertz in big time games, just when Kingsbury scheme goes down the toilet, Jalen Hertz emerges from the ashes. I think it doesn't solve the schematic home base that Jalen has talked about because I do think that it leads to him going somewhere else eventually.

If they're good enough, he gets a job. And who is his past game coordinator? Obviously, it was Brian Johnson and Washington. Who does he bring with him? I don't know. I don't know. I have somebody. You probably have them on your list for later.

Go ahead. It's not going to work. Just say it. Lincoln Riley? I wasn't going to put Lincoln Riley on the list. He's not going to come with Cliff Kingsbury. No, he won't. I just said it's not going to work.

You can come to me leave like an $8 million job to be a past game coordinator? No, I think Lincoln Riley has like a dark horse OC candidate. It's kind of fun. I think that's more possible. Even then, I think he gets paid to much money. I said it wasn't going to work before I said. I thought you were saying with Cliff. No.

Well, that's what I'm saying. With Cliff, it's not going to work. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I was way more convinced on Cliff. And I actually disagree with you. I'm not sure if he like sprints into another head coaching.

I tell you what though I love from the Eagles perspective is this is a guy who's motivated to beat the crap out of the commanders. Sure. And he's going to give me dirt on Adam Peters. That sounds fun. The only, the last thing we'll say about Kingsbury, just again to harp on this. If Stoutland is a deal breaker, then the deal is broken. Yeah.

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It's been great discussion, though. This has been fun. I'm energized. I'm not apologizing. Yeah. You can't apologize for being yourself. I mean, I'm apologizing to Lindsay a little bit, but. Oh, we'll get.

These ones will be quicker. We'll get quick fire, yeah. All right. Next up, one name who I haven't seen, link to the Eagles just yet. Drew Petzing, the offensive coordinator from the Arizona Cardinals who worked with Gannon for the last three years.

One of the guys who like, you know, each of the last couple off seasons, you know, the scheme lords are like, Drew Petsing does some really interesting stuff out there in Arizona. Didn't really necessarily pan out. obviously working with Gannon is a bit of a red flag for some people came up with Stefanski and then we have good at drawing animals there because pet he drew pets

great last year 20th in success rate 20th in EPA per drive with mostly Jacoby Preset the year before that last year they were top 10 offense seventh in a success rate eighth in EPA per drive 22nd and 21st the year before that which was an improvement from the Cardinals the year before, you're talking a little bit, it is similar schematically to Stefansky a few little differences,

but someone who has at least done run an offense for three years, called plays, not in any games that mattered necessarily, but it would be an interesting possibility. Yeah, I know that being on Gannonstaff to me is the ultimate, like, you are tactical gays, like the tacticos love you.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, Gannon, if he wants to hire you, it's because, like, he thinks that you are, like, sharp. So I'm sure that he's well thought of across the league. I kind of think Jacoby Percette is kind of, like, a litmus test for offensive schemers. Because I actually think Jacoby Perciet, you can get him playing pretty well if you're in the right system.

So his numbers this year don't jump out to me. I know that that Cardinals offense isn't great, but, yeah, I don't know. Doesn't move me as much. If you hear the Eagles are interviewing him, you are. You feel how? Whelmed, I would say. Welmed, okay.

I mean, I think it's fine, but I don't think it's. like a home run. All right, we'll move on. That was quick. Former head coach. Arthur Smith. Tactical gaze.

19th in success rate this year. Now see. Lindsay messed this up. This is the actual graphic that it's supposed to be. 19th and success rate, 21st, EPA per drive. 27th and 23rd last year with the Steelers, so not very good.

Obviously, we know he looks like E.J. in his three years as the head coach of the Falcons. 24th in success, right, in 26th in EPA-per-Drive in 2023, sixth and 12th. So one good year in Atlanta, and then the year he got there, they were 28th and 27th, and everyone still thought that he was awesome.

Had one good year as the coordinator in Tennessee, you're getting a guy with no chin, you're getting a guy with no color in his body, You're getting a guy who would drive me crazy, which might be an upside for people. Shout out to Lindsay. For the listeners out there,

Lindsay put Bowulf up with the picture of Arthur Smith. I mean, I think it was Arthur Smith. Who can really tell? I hope for your sake it doesn't happen. Again, I'd be mildly underwhelmed with Arthur Smith. Yeah, I would be pretty underwhelmed. Yeah. I just don't think that...

Here's a guy who must have... We must have, you know, good texting relationships with people because, you know, people around the league love him. He's had one, two good years. Yeah. I don't like what I... Those Justin Fields years, I don't like what he would do with Jalen Harris.

It seems like it would be repressive. Yeah. This is not a home run swing. Yeah. This is a, you're trying to lock in mediocrity. You know what? Maybe we could call it like the Scott Leffler line.

Like I think that they'd be better off promoting Scott Leffler. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. All right, here's an interesting name that we, I haven't seen in any kind of coaching rumors at all. And that's because he got whacked halfway through this year after on just his second year.

But Brian Callahan, who did coordinate some good Bengals offenses. Now you can say that that was all Joe Burrow. But, you know, they were very bad offense in the first seven games of this season when he got fired. Last year they were, in his first year, they were 25th in success rate and 30th in EPA per drive. The five years in Cincinnati, the last three years, they were pretty good. And obviously the year in 2022 when they go to the Super Bowl, I'm not really advocating for Brian Callahan as the higher. And I don't know that he has a specific, you know, dog.

schematic scheme, but I think if you were looking for a guy who you could come in with head coach experience, not very good experience, but a guy who has been a play caller and is not going to get a head coaching job. Brian Callahan for a couple of years, I actually feel like that in terms of the narrative of it works pretty well. I agree. I just schematically, I don't see a great fit. if he were like a senior offensive consultant with a new first time play caller you could talk me into that

I think that sounds pretty good I think like if he's an option for you if you hired a high volatility candidate I think that makes more sense okay next up we'll go with someone who was sort of bandied about as a possibility for the Eagles that's Clay Kubiak

the past game or the offensive coordinator this year for the San Francisco 49ers now I guess Yes, you could make a run at him because he doesn't have play-calling responsibilities there. But it feels like that would be a weird one. And then, you know, obviously you've got the lineage of KK. Red Flags with the Kubiaks. It's tough red flag to look past there. Just like with McDaniel, the Shanahan tree guys, the McVeigh-Shanan tree guys,

especially the Shanahan tree guys. I'm just, it's just not an offense that we've seen Jalen Hertz run. I also think I think we know that Nick feels a certain kind of way about that tree Yeah absolutely You know the scheme war designation For the McVeigh and Shanhands

And so I wonder if he would even be I mean it's not it's not up to him Probably And of course he would be open to it If he thought that it would lead to a better team But maybe mildly dismissive He does yeah he's not as high on not as like Obsessed with getting that scheme

Yeah Input in the meeting rooms I would say I would guess that all things being equal, he would prefer it not be someone from that tree. Yeah, I just guess. Maybe that's a McDaniel's thing, but McDaniel. That's very philly of you. Yeah.

Yeah, with McDaniel, you've seen him, like you said, adjust from that Shanahan outside zone play action world. At least he's had something a little bit different. I'd be a little nervous if you hired somebody without that. Okay. I don't see that one happening. Neither do I. Okay.

Next up is. is another hot young guy who apparently is going to interview for the Steelers head coaching job. Yeah, I saw. That is Nate Sheelhaus from the Rams, the past game coordinator,

interviewed with the Eagles in 2003 when they ended up hiring Brian Johnson. My thought here is he has no play-calling experience. Yeah, it's tough to get past that. I feel like this is a, nothing against him in particular

for any job, but I feel like this job would be an odd fit. I agree completely. I think, like, he will probably, he will be calling plays somewhere next year. He is obviously very well thought of throughout the league. And the Eagles identified him when he was an assistant on Iowa State staff. Obviously, Nick Siriani and Matt Campbell have a good relationship. They were college roommates. So Nick Siriani knows a lot about Nathan Shieldhouse.

But to me, the only way it makes sense is if you're hiring, again, like a senior offensive consultant that is the break glass in case of emergency. They just can't lose another year to like a first year play caller trying to find their way. But he is very impressive. And like all the tacticos love him. But what do they love? They don't know.

That is, you know what? I'm glad you said that. He's never been in charge of an offense. I'm glad you said that. He's well thought of an NFL circles and those guys know more than me. But it is a little bit like he's the past game coordinator for Sean McVeigh. Right. Like you think he's like laying it down for McVeigh? It's like, do it my way?

There is some unknown. in there. I think the fact that he's been hired by McVeigh and is well thought of it suggests that he will be good. But again, you don't know. I think that that's just like a high volatility. There's a great ceiling but there's also a pretty low floor. All right, we are through 10.

That means it's time for Lindsay Ty. All right. Most of the all of these really are much quicker discussions I think. Let's go to number 11 here. We've got another someone who has never called plays in the NFL but has Eagles ties and that's

former practice squad quarterback for the Eagles in 2020, even though he wasn't in Philadelphia. Josh McCown, who is the quarterback's coach for the Vikings, has been for the last two years, also had a year in Carolina. No play calling experience, but I don't know. What do you think about Josh McCown?

The thing that I wrote about Josh McCown, I mean, I had a very limited amount of exposure with him. Like he was, you know, 2019, he was there. In 2020, he was back virtually. So he does have experience working with Jalen virtually. Yeah. when he was like the Zoom practice squad emergency quarterback. One of the funniest things that's ever happened.

But in that limited experience, I think I can say with relative confidence, he does seem like a really good coach for a quarterback that needs confidence. Like I think he is, I think quarterback whisper, not in scheme, but in actual, like, you are like positive self-talk and getting a quarterback, like helping the mental side of it. So in that regard, I think he makes sense.

No play calling experience is tough. And yeah, I don't really know I mean obviously like Kevin O'Connell is a great offensive mind But I just I don't know I'm like I have a little bit of pause about Handing the keys to Josh McCown I can kind of see it

I And I don't think that they should Approach it this way In the way of Okay if this guy does too well He's gonna get hired away I do think that is probably the case with him Not to say that he deserves a job

But if he comes here and it's awesome He probably will get a job He probably will get a job. It's actually ironic. Like if he had just waited it out, he might have gotten a head coaching job. Like, so no, I think he will get a lot of buzz if it goes well. And it also could go really poorly. I could kind of, I could kind of see this one.

I mean, he seems incredibly bright from what we've, what we have seen from him. He seems incredibly bright. He's been in a lot of different systems. Maybe. I mean, if they hired him, he passes to Scott Leffler line for me. Like, if they hired him, I would say, yeah, I mean, I could see it going really well. I just, again, not to keep sounding like, a broken record. I'd just be worried about the risk that comes with that.

Responsible for, I believe, the second most red story that I did at the Athletic. Really? Hmm. How do I not know the story? It was just me asking him about all the touchdown passes he'd thrown. Oh, yeah, I do remember this. That's not my favorite story of yours. Which spawned like 50 different people trying to do what I did.

Hmm. No, flex. Just so, yeah. Where I'm not getting any credit for those subs. Let me make sure. That doesn't go in my review. Oh, so you're saying. You're telling everybody in the newsroom to do exactly what he did,

but I don't get any credit for that? Just saying. You feel better? You get it off your chest? What if somebody's watching that? You want them to see it? I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it. They were told to do it.

No, I'm saying the overlords. What if they're watching? The overlords at the athletic? Yeah, I put it in my own review that I didn't get credit for that. Oh, so they already know. They should know, yeah. Okay. I thought some of your Jason Kelsey coverage was...

I actually was thinking about including this in my class. I might go back and do it. I have to figure out how to get them all behind the paywall. Can't be telling these kids to subscribe to the athletic. I can't tell them to spend money on something like that. There might be student discounts. Yeah, but I can't tell them to spend money on that. I think McCown...

I would be interested in McCown. I would be interested in talking to McCown. Yeah, yeah. You know, okay, so that's what Nick and Howie would say. He just crushed the interview process. We were floored. You should have seen some of the stuff. He wrote up on that whiteboard.

He's got a great vision for this. Yeah, I can see it. All right. Next up is an interesting one. And this is, I do want to remind people that, you know, we look back so fondly at Shane Steichen. Well, Shane Steichen's track record before he came here was not so great. But he did have play-calling experience.

You know, Kellyn Moore was a guy who at one point was the hot name. and then was viewed not so positively. This is a guy who, I would find it a tough sell, but is a little bit like that. And that's Bobby Sloick, who got fired after two years as the offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans. That first year, everybody was talking about

they loved Bobby Sloick. He almost got a head coaching job after that first year. Now, this is Shanahan Tree, spent this season as the past game coordinator with Mike McDaniel. I kind of do like the idea of buying a dip on somebody who has experience and you're thinking that the next time around it's going to go well and then you also probably get a few more years.

Especially like that Texan's offense last year was just hampered so much by the offensive line. So it's like you know that that issue won't become a problem for him. I like that one. I want to talk to him, I think. That's one of your best outside the box ones right there. If they could have hired him two years ago, they would love that. Me personally, if he's not good enough for D'Amico, he's not good. I'm taking that as signal.

DeMico says not good enough. He's probably right. But I think it would be worth a conversation. Maybe it was like a something. Texans had to change. Bobby Sloke. Really? Okay. All right. Next up is someone who I think the Eagles will be linked to in some degree, whether that is as an offensive coordinator or for some other position.

That's Tommy Reese, who is the offensive coordinator for the Browns this year, working under Kevin Stefanski. Nick Siriani and he are close. He's talked about him in years past. Of course, earned the nickname Turnover Tommy during his time at Notre Dame. But wasn't the primary play caller? I don't know about this one.

Yeah. I would be underwhelmed if it was Tommy Reese. Agreed. This to me would be more like, oh, this is just Nick's offense. Yeah, there's a couple guys like that for me. If he were coming with Kevin Sofansky, awesome. Sure.

But that's probably not going to happen. All right. I have two more who we have cards for. and then 10 more after that. Okay. Two more of the way of cards for it. Now this is a fun one. You want to talk about swinging for the fences.

You want to talk. He's in your article too. Okay. You want to talk about taking the big swing. Go find a young hot shot play caller with a tie to the Eagles. G.J. Kitty, baby. Texas State head coach since 2003 was somewhere else before that. Has been in the Eagles building, knows it well.

And he chases points, man. They score points. their numbers are very good, especially given what you would expect their talent level to be. The downside is Brandon League out might die from blood flow loss if the Eagles hire G.J. Kinney as the offensive coordinator. I really like G.J. Kinney. I think it's a fun outside the box option. I mean, he's got play calling experience.

Not NFL play calling experience. Do it. Do it. It would be fun. Can I derail us totally? Yeah. Texas State has a special place in my heart because two years ago I played in an online college football dynasty mode with a bunch of my friends. and I took over Texas State and like we build these teams up into juggernauts and I'm sitting here on Bobcats.

So I've got Texas State like shirts in my house because my friends sent them to me. So I love Texas State. Again, go Bobcats. I'm in on G.J. Let's bring him in. It's a little bit too much. It feels honestly it feels to me like the Eagles sent G.J. Kinney out to the world.

They put their sent them out alone. His skills and at some point they're going to snap their fingers and call him back when the time is right. It's like when that. I don't know if the time is right just yet, but at some point they're going to bring him home. Just going to keep making weird analogies. It's like when you send a young player out on loan as a soccer team, it's like, go play in the lower league, you know, really just dominate this lower league.

And then you're going to come back here and you're going to score goals and, like, you know, the top level. So it's fun. It's a little bit too much dip on the chip, in my opinion. It's a little bit too much like, like, guys, you just had one of the worst offensive seasons we've seen in a long time. Like, I don't know if this is the right moment for you to go. Yeah, G. I don't know. I think it would be fun. It'd be very fun.

I don't know. Does he have enough of the weight to say, this is my offense, this is what we're going to do? Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe we can overstate that because we said it like an hour ago. No, I know, but in terms of, in terms of, I don't mean that the personality to do that matters. I mean that the experience to do that matters. I think if DJ Kinney at, you know, 35 years old or whatever he is carries himself well enough, to be like, Jalen, this is what you need to do.

it doesn't matter that he hasn't done it before. Problem also is if he does really well in that job, he's not last alone. Probably so. Yeah, I mean, because Eagles, a well-regarded organization. If they hire him, he's on everybody's radar. He's already on people's radar.

I'm saying that if they made him the O.C. And they rank, they have a top-10 offense. Hey, he's going to get snatched up. Yeah. All right. Here's my last card, and this is very funny. This is why I think of it is? No, this is the most off-the-wall one that I have.

Is it my years? It's only half joking. This is mine. Now you want to talk about finding the Vic Fangio. I am talking 60-year-old Gus Malz-on because we're going no huddle. We're not going to be late to the line anymore. Let's get freaky.

Plus, this allows them to lean into your theory, E.J., of turning Jalin Hertz into Cam Newton. I do like that theory. You want a guy who has his own, You're bringing his own style. He's going to bring people with him. Why not? Get on the Gus bus.

Yeah. I mean, it was fun. He's not going anywhere. I appreciate that you included him in there. It was a great photo, too. Nice job, Lindsay. Thank you. All right, ten more.

And some of these are just names that we should mention. One of them is Davis Webb, who is kind of like the, the white Neal Nate Sheelhaus, where it's like, everybody's like, oh, this is the next, this is the next big guy. He's under Sean Payton right now. Yeah. No play calling experience.

This to me is like, you're taking the risk of no play calling experience. Yeah. And then you're also taking on the downside of it. If it goes really well, he is going to get hired. Yeah, I agree. My Kafka. Talked about it a little bit. I'll clear the floor for you.

Fran yesterday, but that's a pass for me. We'll move on. I don't know how he would fit with Jalen either, honestly. Yeah. Ryan Grubb, who had one year with the Seahawks and was summarily fired by Mike McDonald and obviously knew what he wanted because then he brings in Kubiak, went back to Alabama. But he is a guy, you know, I remember Coach Flynn being very excited about the, you know, the past game scheme that he has that he draws up.

And so if you think you're trying to pair Stouts run game acumen with someone else's, advanced passing game. Yeah. I think that could be an interesting one. Yeah, it's fun. I might want to talk to. Yeah, I like the idea. I like how you framed it right there,

where it's, we're going to give Jeff Stoughtlin more, more power in the run game. He's going to have a bigger say. We just wanted someone to marry a pass game to that. It's kind of weird though, but. Yes. Not terrible.

Okay. Next up is another one, no play calling experience, no offensive coordinator experience. And it's, It's Gerard Johnson, the quarterback's coach for the Texans. The Eagles have interviewed him in the past. I'd say he's another one that, like if he got him two years ago,

you probably would have felt good. Right. Yeah. I think that's unlikely. The no play calling experience is tough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you want to talk about a guy who you're buying at the nadier of his value?

Mm-hmm. You're going to talk to Eric B. Enemy? Mm. I, from what we know about, thought Eric Bied to me? Yeah, absolutely. Something about that. Something weird.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something about that seems like it's going to be enough. Zach Robinson, the Falcons, one year offensive coordinator, or two years of offensive coordinator. Eagles interviewed him in the past at one point.

The things you heard about that offense, like, you know, nobody was in Michael Pennix's year. And see, that's, like, not to derail you here, but like Nate Shieldhouse. It's like, how do we know that's not what it's going to look like? Yeah, yeah. I would be pretty disappointed by Zach Robinson. Thomas Brown, we should mention,

the past game coordinator for the Patriots. I don't know why it would be who of him to leave that shot for this job. Yeah. Right? Yeah, just wait out. I mean, you know, he's not a play caller. Still, yeah. Let's talk Frank Reich.

Yeah, Cuzz asked me about Frank Reich this morning. Here's my Frank Reich piece. If the Eagles had ranked like 10th and most of the offensive efficiency metrics, I guess Kevin Petula wouldn't have been fired. They would be winning the Super Bowl. If they ranked, what were they, 14th in EPA per drive and they were like 25th?

This year? No, they were lower than that. No, they were better than you think in EPA per drive. No, they weren't. I'll find it. They were, I think 17th maybe? They were below, they were the bottom half of the league. Okay, now you were correct.

They were 19th. 19. Okay. So, okay, if the Eagles were 14th or no, let's say 12th in both of those metrics, or maybe 15th or whatever the number is, and they were just average this year, and it wasn't enough and Kevin Patillo got fired. Frank Reich, marginal upgrade at play caller, you're rolling. You think you have a top 10 offense.

I think they need more of a change than that. And I just, I know Frank Reich is a great play caller, but, is he going to overhaul the system from what Nick Siriani wants to do? I think if you were looking for like a slight up increase in production, you could totally talk yourself into it. I just think that they need a change. I think what we saw from the Eagles offense is they need more of a change. Now with that said, he, I think he passes the Scott Leflare line for me.

Because I could, you could totally see a world where he gets tired and the improvement in play calling and the Eagles offense looks similar to how. has the last few seasons and they are just a top 10 offense because the offensive line is better and they are just slightly less chaotic than they were this year. It would be a very funny dynamic with Nick. Do you think Nick would feel less emboldened to act like a crazy person on the sideline in front of his mentor? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that is true. Like if my dad were sitting right there, like I wouldn't be acting exactly the same way. So maybe a little bit. I mean, I don't think you could do work. worse than Frank Reich. I just think you could also, the upside's not nearly as high as some of the other guys. Yeah, I think that's right. It's not a home run swing. My last two are guys that I know nothing about. This is me just looking at offensive efficiency rankings in college football over the past couple years. Let me just call them up on the phone and see if they want to come in and

talk. I don't know anything about them. If they're problematic, let me know. One of them is SMU head coach, Rhett Lashley. The SMU offense has been highly ranked the past few years. He's got a quarterback's experience. He's been a head coach for four years. I don't know. You want to leave the crazy world of you know

transfers and stuff like that and just come work in the NFL? I don't know. Okay. Call plays. Don't know anything about them. Sure. I get get through this. We've got something that I got something I want to show you. Okay. And the other one is also, know nothing about him. This is the new Michigan offensive coordinator,

Jason Beck, who was with Kyle Whittingham, or who was with Kyle Whittingham at Utah, and was an efficient play caller there. And then also at New Mexico the year before that, there's a friend we have who will appreciate that he was at Syracuse as well. Yeah. Now, let's be real. This is you throwing this out there. So if they hire them, we're the only ones that named them.

No, that's not me, because they're not going to hire these guys. That's me. I would want to talk to them. But this is me just looking at how these offenses have done. Do they seem like interesting people to talk to? I can't read who it was, but somebody said, that certainly sounds like a guy. Now, here's a guy.

All right, Diana Rossini, the athletics, Diana Rossini, reports that the Eagles have begun reaching out to offensive coordinator candidates today. Do you want to guess the two coaches that she named at the top of a their list. Have they been in our 25? Yeah. They have. Absolutely. I'm going to guess I'm going to guess the most obvious

ones that they have reached out to are Todd Munkin and No. Dayball. Dayball? You're one for two. Is Daiball? Dayball is one.

Is it McDaniel? It's McDaniel. Really? Yeah. Mike McDaniel and Brian Dayball are at the top of their list sources say, according to, again, Diana Rossini. Our friend? Our friend Diana Rossini? Absolutely.

Yeah, about to say. I wanted to make sure I wasn't, I didn't want to speak for you. Diana's, she's one of those, like, reporters where when you meet her, like, well, when you meet reporters like this, you're like, oh, yeah, I see how you're so good at this. I agree with that. Just like big personality, very warm, very friendly, can talk to anybody. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

That's interesting. All right. write it down who do you think the egos are going to hire I think they're going to hire Brian Dayball I would hire Cliff Kingsbury

really yeah I would I told you gross who all right you do the same exercise and then I have a question for you man I think if they're interviewing

Mike McDaniel I kind of think they can hire Mike McDaniel I think he's going to get a head coaching job you think if he knew he was getting a head coaching job would an interview. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Maybe he's surveying the scene.

McDaniel, Nick and Jalen, I would watch... I would watch a movie every week about those guys together in a room together. I think that Daible is the chalk choice. Yeah. So who's your like,

splashy? Who would you hire? I don't know, man. I kind of like the home run swing. Give me McDaniel. If McDaniel wants the job, No, I'm still not there. No?

I just, I don't know how Jalen would look in that offense. But it's not, I think, I really think that he's not just that offense. No, I agree, but I think he would come in, evaluate what they have, and figure out what it is that he can put together. He's just like he hasn't, I agree that it will look different. It'll probably look the way Jalen Hurts wants it to look, and McDaniel's creative enough to figure that out. It's just more of a projection than I think they have to make

with the other candidates available. I guess that's the best way I could describe it. I still think it's the biggest upside. Oh, it's, it's, I think Kingsbury's upside is just as high, but I think the upside is absolutely there. Just, I've, I've been, like, scared by, I also think if you just think about the staff dynamics here, he's, he's, staff's been fired.

So he can bring with him whoever. Sure. And then if he leaves, he can't bring them all with him. So you do have some potential in-house replacements in place. Yeah. Now, maybe the Eagles lesson is that they can't just hire in-house, but if you're talking about having the home base, maybe that works. I don't know.

I mean, listen, he is the consensus pick for Eagles fans for a reason. It would be really fun. More Cam Latu. I wouldn't be complaining. I could see it. Him and Vic at practice would be fun. I think they could work together. I think that they would be fine, like personality dynamic-wise.

But, yeah, it would be definitely a fun storyline during training camp. Yeah. Okay. I have a question for you. You can't end the show yet. You were supposed to ask you on our class. And we're going to be getting out of here. I was going to get to the Super Chats.

Oh, no, let me ask you this first. If you had to pick someone without play calling experience, who would you pick? Of the names that we talked about? Without NFL play calling experience. I think my guy would be McCown. Really? Yeah. Wow, that surprises me.

Or if you're saying NFL, then give me G. J. Kinney. I kind of thought, yeah, I think G. J. Kinney would be fun. I don't know that much about G. can any scheme like I'll have to go watch some Texas State cutups or honestly what I'll probably do is just no I'll watch the cutups I'll watch the cutups I was going to say just look up their playbook on college football but no watch the cutups if there's enough fun stuff in there I could

see myself getting there I will tell you well go go ahead I'm still thinking well I was just going let everybody know on the nudity front. Oh. There's a big rip in my jeans that I didn't realize until I got in the car today. So, you know,

frontal access. There's a big rip. Dot, dot, dot. That can be the supporters club. Yeah. The supporters club is. You're getting up from the desk. Yeah, exactly.

Super chat from CDP, who says, will Jalen's friendship with Deshawn Watson make a Stefansky partnership difficult. I think that's overstated. I mean, they had the same quarterbacks coach, but I don't think that would matter. L8-808. Any reaction to Petulow complaining to Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Bad look. I think that's also probably something that was a little bit lost in translation. I don't know that Richard Sherman is the most reliable narrator there. But that's fair. This is LB. You always say L.

but it's L.B. 9.0. I'll call it L.8. Okay. Kyle Rem. E.J. looks like a young Stephen McKinley Henderson. Should I be knowing who these people are?

I don't know who that is. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guy from Dune. Yeah, he's like the math, the computer guy. What's your Dune thing? What do we do?

I mean, I also do the, like, I'm not doing it on the show, but the Sardukar, like the gutterol. Why don't you do it on the show? It's a little, it's a little one. serious to do on the show. Maybe the next Tuesday. Maybe next Tuesday.

SRG, do the OCDC really need to get along? It's not like they are in the same room having, hashing out a game plan. I think that's fair. Yeah. I think that's less about what the team needs and more about if Mike McDaniel has a lot of choices

would he choose to come somewhere where he doesn't get along with the guy. I think it's overstated though. It's probably right. CDP, instead of resting on his last name, This guy used his unbounded creativity to forge his own path. Am I talking about Bo Wolf or Arthur Smith? How is class? Tell us the stories.

Wait, I have one more OC. Oh. Lindsay's got her own. Yeah, I submitted one. Oh, it's going to be Fran. Yeah. Oh, Fran Duffie. Premium gas here for Fran.

For example to present. Draft expert, parentheses, love doing guys. Grabby, Grabmaster, experience with Apple iPad and Microsoft tablets. I texted Fran this morning because again I wrote the offensive coordinator thing until like 2 a.m. And I felt confident about most of it but I mean especially the college guys

like Fran actually knows like what they run and how they translate to the NFL. Interested to hear what he hears about my two made up my two guys that I may or may not have made up. You didn't make them up. I may or may not have. Rhett Lashley? That's not a made up person.

I know. Oh, I was going to say. As far, if you had told me that name yesterday I would have thought that he was made up. No, you knew that. You should have made up a name and see if E.J. just went along and was like, yeah, I don't know too much about him. The last guy I was a little distracted by Diana's report.

I was setting that up. I didn't make anybody up, but I may as well have. As far as I'm concerned, I know nothing about it. Oh, you know what? I'm disappointed in you, actually, because there was somebody in my list that didn't make your list. Ooh, Avarian Hertz Sr.? Avriand Hertz Sr. Channel View High School head coach.

Jailen Hurts says. his line was open, Jalen's line was open. If they asked Jalen who he wants, maybe he wants his dad to coach the offense. How about your dad? My dad was a defense guy. I mean, he knows offense too. Sometimes my dad, he does these two things that, like, just constants when we talk about the Eagles. The first one is that he will like start like explaining things in the calls that he had for like his high school offenses. He'll be like, yeah, that was 22 strong. And I'm just like, I okay like yeah great um oh come on no it's just like he's all like he really he'll get in like such detail like and then the mic it's supposed to be here um and then the other thing that he does tell him that he can tell me those stories i'm happy to listen yeah honestly you call him on like a friday night great he'll be on the phone for a half hour and he'll be doing that football guy's stuff right there's yeah not whiskey yeah but yeah he the other thing he will do is um he'll say to me all the time when he's talking about like a j brown he'll be like i I know it because I lived it.

Oh, that's funny. So, yeah, shout out to my dad. If he were here, I would not be, I would probably be more buttoned up. Okay. Oh, yeah, Averyan Hart Sr. Class last night. How to go? How does it feel to be a professor?

It feels good to be a professor. It was a little chaotic, which, if you know me, is not all that surprising. It was mostly because of the Kevin Petulow News. I will throw the Eagles under the bus. I didn't get to class quite as early as I would have liked to get there But like I just had to remind myself like the kids are like I was getting set up at the start of class Anybody said they wanted to be president of the pro football Hall of Fame? No, they didn't

We'll get there, we'll get there But no, it was a really engaged group I was excited about that they laughed at my jokes What were the jokes? Were they lewd? No, they were not lewd They were not lewd jokes Sounds like an HR violation.

get me in trouble my first day. I don't remember what my jokes were. And then, like, I pull up the syllabus, and it's John DeCardle of syllabus. You made his class. You did no work here. Yeah, so, like, he left comments in there. When I pulled it up on the projector, the comments were still there, and they got a kick out of that.

That's funny. But, no, like I said, they were really engaged class. I was really excited. I asked them all about what their dream jobs were and what they wanted to get out of the class, and they had great answers. Like there's a real range of goals in that class, which is exciting. Somebody wants to be a profile writer. One of them wants to be a comms director.

There was some play-by-play aspirations. There were some sideline reporters. You know, well, I'm saying people who want to be sideline reporters. So, yeah, no. I was like, and, you know, the thing, so this is where I had to gas myself up a little bit, right? I say, I'm going to start thinking about some guest speakers for the class. And I said, what would you, what kind of people would you like me to bring in for the class? What do you think you get the most out of?

So I said, the first one I said is a professional beat reporter. And they all raise their hand. And I'm like, you're talking to one right now. Like, you already got that. But I take them at their word. I didn't say it like that. I kind of said it like laughing. I was like, other than me, of course.

And then the other ones, not to put anybody on the spot, but head of production. was one that was excited that they were excited about. Yeah, a couple others. So I got some texts to send out. I got to take like one home run swing though. Like I want to have one big guest like on Zoom. You want it to be you?

It's got to be like a name, you know? Not to say you're not a name, but you know what I mean. Like I want to get one person that like every... Go get Arthur Smith. The whole... I already have Arthur Smith. The whole, like, I went the whole faculty in there taking pictures. Like, I can't believe he got this person.

So, need to brainstorm. Maybe David Baker. I bet you could get David Baker. Kevin Petula. I bet David Bigger would love the opportunity to talk to classroom of students. Scare him out of their mind. No, you know what you want to say at the end of that? Land the joke.

There's no joke. So he could eat them. On that note. People are calling you a bully. I agree. I'm not a bully. Oh my God. Bo berates everybody on the show.

Everybody. I do not. And we mess with Bo once and everybody defends you. I am, that is my love language. This is hate speak out of me. Wait, your love language is berating people? I don't berate.

I playfully tease. Yeah. You got to, you know, the old adage, if you're going to dish it, I understand, but it doesn't mean you've got to start calling me unfathomable things. What did I even call you?

Arthur Smith. You've probably been called worse things. I promise you I have never been called anything worse. That is the worst that it gets. All right. Good stuff. This was fun. This was fun.

Now I can finally send Ben my list of my top five outs of the coordinator candidates that I have actually done the work. We will be back with you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Barring any big news, hopefully we're going to have our fun exercise with Fran of nothing leaves this room. I'm so nervous about that. Offseason proposal ideas. It's going to be fun, but also make sure that you check out

unblocked with Brandon Graham live tomorrow at 11 o'clock. So that means hot mics, anything can happen. to be very interesting to get his perspective on the end of the season and what the future holds. Okay. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Julia, for being in the chat. Thank you, Fran. Look forward to finding out what it is in the future, you think, of the two made-up guys that I brought up here.

Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. We will talk to you. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you, Bo for hosting the show today and doing all the work to get 25 candidates to talk about. All the work. And we will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock for all of us here. As always, we love you.