PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Torched in Tampa: Philadelphia Eagles stumble in all phases in lopsided loss to Bucs

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Terrible defense against 11 personnel? Check. Jalen Huts turnovers? Check. Missed tackles, uncreative offense, dumb penalties, special teams miscues, etc. Checks across the board. The worst version of the Eagles showed up in Week 4 as Todd Bowles and the Bucs continued their ownership of Nick Sirianni’s Eagles. The bye arrives at a good time for the Eagles’ health, but bad for the narrative surrounding an uninspired team.Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf react to everything they saw before Zach Berman checks in from Tampa. Come commiserate. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary. At Bet365, use promo code P.H.L.Y. 365. When you sign up. And it was actually a very ordinary performance from the Eagles, if not subordinary. A 33 to 16 loss in Tampa Bay, a result that we have come accustomed to when the Eagles travel down to Tampa Bay. Todd Bowles continues. His ownership of Nick Siriani, Jalen Hertz, a pretty listless performance.

And yes, without A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, and Lane Johnson, you can make all kinds of kinds of excuses, but this was a big, fat nothing burger from the Eagles as they head to the buy two and two. We're here to talk about it. We're going to hear from Nick Siriani's press conference. We're going to hear from Zach Berman live at Raymond James Stadium. But before that, we hear from our panel here, Super Bowl champion Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch, Fran Duffy.

I don't know that Super Bowl champion is in the future for anybody on this team this year, Vinnie. That was bad. I lost my voice. You're one of us now. Yeah. Your voice run over like the Eagles defense in this game. From the time of the kickoff,

the whole game just seems so off. Like, it's just like we weren't even there. There was never a moment, never a moment. I mean, there was one fleeting minute when Kili Ringo returns, the Isaiah Rogers blocked extra point, and it cuts the lead to 14. And you're like, okay, maybe they got something going.

here and then, you know, they still, you know, filter way. I just going to begin in the second half on Sequin. Yeah, that run, I got a little kind of letting the pencil like, all right, let's make it a game here. And Seek Juan, you know, you're going to need them. He made another big explosive play for the Eagles to kind of get them back in the game. And then, I mean, look, you can say what you want about the defense. You had an opportunity to climb back into that game.

Like, to me, the turnovers just continue rearing their head. And I know 12 straight games. have lost the turnover battle. That is insane. That's a major problem. And you can say what you want. But like Jalen has to know, Seekwon never squared that one blitzer up. He's a free rusher behind them.

Like you have to know to like go there, right? You can't really play around in the pocket. I know Brady's given them a hard time. But like the only other option is to go. Like, you know, so like these these turnovers are just bad. And an interception that was that was dropped. So, you know, your interception, your turnover worthy plays stack. Keep that out of my business for today, friend.

I mean, that's going to go down to the books as a turnover where they play. Okay. If we are being hopeful, you can squint and say, like, okay, when the offense gets Lane Johnson and AJ Brown and Devante Smith back, they can still cook, right? The offense can still be okay. I think we can maybe lay to rest the idea that, like, Kellynne Moore is, you know, some kind of Kyle Shanahan offensive guru. Like, this offense goes as their stars go, like, their best.

play in this game came when Sequin Barclay busts it loose. Like, I don't know that they're getting too many huge schematic advantages on offense, but they've got good players. So as the season goes on, they're still going to have very good players. On defense, I mean, this is three out of four games now, Fran, where they have looked terrible. That was what I was going to lead it off with, honestly, for me, because, yeah, you don't have, you don't have, you don't have AJ Brown, you don't have Devonte Smith, you don't have

Lane Johnson. None of those three were going to be on the field, regardless when they gave up 450 yards and 33 points to an offense that looked hapless last week against Denver. They were terrible a week ago. They were not good two weeks ago, Tampa Bay on offense. And they gave up, I mean, from the jump. And that's why, I mean, from the moment the Bucks had the ball to start this game, this game, you were already playing from behind.

This was a really, really tough performance coming off. What we all felt could be a turning point for the defense a week ago to come back this week and have, I mean, double-digit mistackles. I know they flashed the one graphic. It was 11 at one point. but I'm sure they had another one or two after that. And so you're talking 12, 13, 14 mistackles on the afternoon. Just a really terrible outing from the Eagles defense.

Baker Mayfield 30 or 47 for 3.42, two touchdowns and interception. They scored touchdowns on three of their first four possessions. And like, I mean, there were like seven drops on offense for the bucks too. It was crazy how little, you know, effort. it seemed like they were playing with on defense. And I don't want to, you know, effort is a tough thing. But it was just so easy for that offense. It's like 80% success rate their first couple drives.

Like, I mean, what do they do well on that side of the ball? Right. Like, you know, Quinnyi Mitchell has some nice flashes. Zach Bonn makes some big hits. You know, Jalen Carter, after an absolute monster performance last week, pretty quiet today. Sweat was close a bunch. Yeah. I think we saw, actually, I think we actually saw, like, the first Bryce Huff pressure of the season in this game, which was, which was nice to see him.

And you said Jalen, like, to Jalen Carter experience is like a real mind deaf because sometimes you see him last week where he just dominates a game start to finish. And Vinny, you can expand on this about what my dumb eye is missing. And then it's just like there's no consistency to it. What's the hardest part about him becoming consistent week in and week out? Because this defense needs Jalen Carter to be a dominant player. we've got to see if they were sliding to them or not because as you can see, Josh was getting free. It was winning their one-on-ones.

And the ball was coming out quick. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, I'm pretty sure that he was getting a double team or something or a bounce around in that middle. But consider this it is the key. Yeah. You know, as we talked about last week, you've got to be consistent. You know, it's one thing, you know, to come out last week

and do what you do. And then this week, we just need consistent from the whole tight defense. You know, we can't, we can't go forward, especially coming out to buy, playing the way we're looking right now. It's just, it ain't going to work. I know, Vinny, you've been on the field at times when the quarterback drops back and he hits the top of his drop and the ball is out time after time, it's after time.

And it felt that that was what was going on in the first half of this game, especially this first couple drives. I wasn't sitting there saying, where is the rush? It was more than it just looked easy for Baker Mayfield. It's like they were playing with 13, 14 guys on offense. How frustrating is that when you're a judge? defensive line. It's very frustrating because therefore you got frustration that's sitting and then you got to think about the heat. It's like a monkey on your back. So it's like you're just dragging.

You know, and that's what we saw. You know, they strike first and then it kept striking. And then it was one of those got to stop the bleeding. Got to stop the bleeding. Got to stop the bleeding. But it was one thing after another, man. And like I said, going forward, we just, we can't look like that. Yeah. And to stop the bleeding, your point, Fran was charting it and, you know, talking out loud, there was on that after the Sequin, you know, big run, offense kind of gets you back in the game. There's a third and a seven and a third and 11

and the defense can't get off the field. I mean, those are just backbreaking to a defense. Eight to, yeah, I mean, all kinds of failures on third down. And usually they were getting first downs on first and second down. Yeah. Well, and that's the big thing is what if you're going to come back from three touchdowns down, you need both sides to be able to make those plays. And look, just last night,

I don't want to speak for you, but we all, Bo, I know you watch it, Jamie. The Georgia Alabama game, we saw Georgia come back in a football game where they're down three or four scores, and that's because you had that complimentary football. You had everybody on both sides making plays. And so the offense comes out exactly what we talked about at halftime. Hey, lean on the run game. It's a zero zero game.

If you go out and you score a touchdown in the opening drive, now all of a sudden it's a 10-point game and you're back in it. The defense gets to third and long twice on that drive and you can't get off the field. And then the next drive comes up, and the same thing happens. You have to be able to win on those downs. if you plan to come back from two, three, four scores down. Now, to our point of how quickly he was getting rid of the ball, just look this up on True Media.

This may change. Right after the game, there's a little bit of wiggle room. But according to True Media, Baker Mayfield's time to throw in this game, 1.95 seconds, which is the quickest in a single game for any quarterback this season. That's not a pass rush. That's the back seven, not doing enough to be able to contest those throws. I'm telling you, if they don't get this fix, man, they're going to start sponsing me with holes because I'm going to stop.

TV, man. I ain't got a voice. You heard that ad sales? Everybody hear that? So is Vic able to adjust to that in game? Like, is he able to just go, all right, we're press covering now?

Yeah, what is the adjustment? What is the adjustment? If they're getting the ball out that quick, what do you do in defense? So, you know, yeah, you just definitely comes in with the, you know, the back, you know, rather, you know, it's the lineback

that's tying some things in, rather than zone pressure, you know, dropping into your spots. because, you know, the ball coming out quick. So therefore, he's throwing to, he already knows where he's predetermined where the ball got to go, you know, when it's coming out that quick.

So there must be some leaks out of the week that he saw that he tried to attack. And that's the one thing I was saying is, when you come out, you kept striking and it was working, we was trying to stop the bleeding. But next thing you know, you look up, we were already playing way from way behind.

Yep. And that was a problem. Now, from just a circumstances of the game perspective, if we're trying to sort of make excuses for the Eagles, you played on the box, you were in that building, when teams were coming there in September, it was 100 degrees on the field, it felt like, right?

104, feel like. Is that like in the building, is that like we know we have the advantage here? Absolutely, they put the away team in the sun. Right. You see everybody over there, they had tent shades, all type of craziness. Like, yeah, they do that on purpose.

That's why you got a hydrate. You got a hydrate, whether, um, is it, yeah, he is. a couple guys in this game leaving cramps. Yeah, you got to do it even on Thursday or Friday, and then once you get down there, you know, the day before the game. Yeah, Juergens left with the cramp,

Carter left with the cramp, Blankenship was an illness. Goddard. Yeah, Goddard was out for a little bit. It definitely seemed like the heat affected the Eagles in a pretty major way. Yeah, I mean, right now on defense through four games, unless the opposing offense is playing

like Newt-Rockney-style 1950s heavy formation football, the Eagles defense has been terrible. It has been, I mean, they've been really, really bad. And I don't know what the hope is. Now, there's some potential things that they can, like, you know, maybe Sidney Brown comes back after the by week. He can start practice.

He can be involved somehow. Maybe Cooper DeGine replaces Avanti Maddox in the slot after that. But like, if this defensive line is not going to, I know this game is not the defensive line. We agree with that. But like, if you're hoping for the upside, long term, Jalen Carter, if he has these big flashes. I mean, they started this game with Milton Williams and Brandon Graham

on the outside, in order to stop to run. They don't trust those guys on the outside to wreak havoc right now. I'm saying we got to, you know, got to set those edges. But you know, like you said, they was getting that ball out so freaking fast. Do you think that's on, is that on like pre-snap disguise on Vic? Because like if he's able to get rid of the ball so quickly, like

you're saying, he's trusting what he sees pre-snap. He knows where it's going. Is there more that they need to be doing pre-snap? I have to because let's be honest. That number one thing is coming in this week, we talked about last week, Fred, correct me wrong,

how great the D-line looked, how, you know, as a unit, first thing they said is, well, we're going to take the D-line out of the game, and this is what we're going to do. One thing I'm interested to see,

and you mentioned what that front looked like. My guess is that that was not by design, like the Eagles didn't come out saying, all right, this is how we're going to start this football game. My guess, without watching the play, is that the Tampa Bay Bucks came out

in some kind of heavy personnel. and spread the Eagles out because they saw a decent amount of empty from Tampa Bay in this game. Spread the Eagles out. And that's how you end up with, I know there's screen grabs out there of like Nolan Smith one-on-one with Chris Godwin in the slot.

When you come out in 12 personnel and then you're going to always match it with base, if you spread them out, well, now you're going to have a defensive end outside linebacker having to walk out into your over number two or over number three. And my guess is that that's going to lead into some of the things where the ball's going to come out fast

because now if you're Baker Mayfield, that's the matchup you're taking all day. You're going to take the wide receiver going up against the edge rusher. And we praised Vic Fangio and the defensive staff for making that adjustment a week ago. But this is, I mean, there's pluses and minuses to everything. This is one of the downfalls to playing that way is that then you can get out formation by the by the opposing offense. And also, as you said, a bunch of mistackles in this game. Too many.

Bonté Maddox had a few. Nikopi Dean had a few. C.J. Garner Johnson had several. I mean, I don't know of any is that is that just. like is that want to? Is that just fundamentals? What are the coaches harp on in team meetings when you're struggling with tackling?

You know, you got to go back to the basics. You know, I'm pretty sure they've been preaching that because we've been talking about the missed tackles from the first game and the second game. You know, it can't continue to happen. You know, you got to buy week coming up. Let's try to get this thing fixed. Let's try to get back on track

because we need some type of consistency. see we need some type. Yeah. Yeah. Defensively, it's just not very inspiring right now. When you see 12 missed tackles out there on top of, you know, a third and seven let up, a third and a lot. Like, there was just nothing going their way defensively today. You didn't see like the heart and kind of hustle you wanted to see out there.

I know they were dropping like flies, but, you know, we talked about during the course of the game. The body language was not like excellent during this game by any means. Really just not much to be inspired about the. defensively after today. You kind of felt like they were saying, damn, how much time left? Yeah. Damn, let's get out of here.

You know? Yeah, it felt like they threw it in. I mean, you know, they took Seagwan off the field essentially in the fourth quarter. They were down to 17, right? And just giving the ball to Kenny Gainwell, which, I mean, big picture, probably the right decision. Yeah.

But, yeah, it did, it never felt like this team was ready to play today. No, not at all. Just from the jump. It was total opposite of last week. Like Jalen Carter last week, first play, boom, right through the long. impact play, pockets disrupted. You know, we talked about it. The Saints kind of marched down the field and death by a thousand paper cuts,

but you were happy with the way they look, the edges that were set, the stops in the run game. Today was the total opposite where he's just like, Baker Mayfield had his way with the Eagles defense. A big thing that we talked about over the course of the week, too, is, you know, the Eagles defense, we talk about the mistackles and it's just being about the run game. But when you have an offense that likes to get the ball out fast and it's going to be

a lot of underneath stuff. You've got to be able to make those tackles in the passing game as well. And I was just looking at the mistackle numbers. It's split right down the middle in terms of run game, past game. You had guys coming from depth, Nicoby Dean taking a bad angle or read blanket ship bouncing off guys. I mean, too many mistackles in the secondary. And some of them were on those critical second and third down plays where it should,

instead of it being fourth and three, well, now it's first and 10. Instead of it being third and five, well, now it's a first down. So, I mean, the tackling across the board, and it's not just a run defense thing, the tackling across the board. has to get better. On offense, we talked about the turnovers. I mean, how much of a concern is this for you with the way that Jilline Hertz is playing right now, friend?

I mean, it's too much of a, it's obviously, they've got to clean up. It's too much of a theme. To me, like, you look at the interception last week and you say, okay, well, that's not on Jaylon. That's more on Devante. And we talked about that here on the show and the film kind of backed that up. I think that when you look at it overall, though, I mean, as an operation, they have got to be they've got to cut them down uh you know and over at some point yeah we look at each one and said

this is not on jalen this is not on jalen this is not on jalen this is not on jalen but at the end of the day it's just like you know nick seriani will always say like you know the things are on me when you're talking about the the the past game and turnovers it it does fall on jalen at a certain point to be able to take better care of the football uh i'll look at the film and see exactly what happened on a couple of these obviously the uh you had the near pick six uh that was a near disaster are there in the fourth quarter as well on top of it. But yeah, I mean, you said 12 games in a row. They've lost the turnover battle.

That's not a winning formula. You're not going to win games doing that. And then it was like, like this is it. Those sex strips, I don't even think he saw those coming, you know. Yeah. You know, that's just something that, you know, we'll have fixed, you know, coming when we get Lane back and generally get his guys back. It's always seems to come.

like I hate the lack, you know, hero ball. But like it always seems to come when he's trying to extend the play. And sometimes, you know, great quarterbacking is just knowing when to eat it, knowing when to throw it away. Eli Manning for years got away with just, you know, the intentional grounding, just getting rid of it at people's feet. Yeah. Like it seems like Jalen gets himself in these turnover problems when he's trying to keep it alive, when he's trying to just not accept a defeat of the play. And certainly like the game flow of this game was kind of. unideal for what the Eagles need.

Sure. I mean, for them to fall down 14-0 when they've only had one possession, knowing that they don't have their weapons on offense, like they were going to have to be coming from behind. Like, obviously, that's not the way that they wanted this game to go. And still, you know, Sequin, 10 for 84 with a 59-yard carry. So other than that, you know, he's not getting the ball that much and it's not super productive.

Goddard 7 for 62 and nobody else more than 32 yards receiving. We've talked to it like, you know, you give up the third round pick for Jahan Dosson for exactly. situations like this. Who? Two catches. Outside of a mesh pick, I haven't seen the guy. Like, it's not ideal.

What did you make of the game plan today, friend, on offense? Honestly, it's tough to get, because when you start the first three drives going three and out, you almost, it's not like you throw it, throw the game plan out, but you couldn't get a sense of what their goals were coming in because right off the bat, they're down 21 nothing because they couldn't get into any kind of rhythm. I mean, you give up the first three drives end on, on two sacks, and then you had a three, in completions on the second three and out. So when you go three and out, three and out, three and out,

you don't get into any kind of rhythm as a play caller. You don't get any kind of sense of what they wanted to do coming in. And that's why it was so important. You know, we talked about, hey, if they come out of the third quarter and they score touchdown on that first drive, they're still very much in this football game. It was the turn, it was the turn of the third quarter into the fourth quarter, Jamie attorney, I said this is going to be the most important defensive possession of the football game.

If the Eagles can't get a stop here and they're down three scores early in the fourth quarter, they're not going to be able to catch up, given this in this offensive personnel, in this ecosystem, because if you take the run game out, if you take Sequin out and you take all the frills away, they just didn't have the horses to be able to compete. And so that's almost what you could point out early on in this football game and say, you were playing on the Bucks terms. I thought that Tom Brady put this perfectly at the end was right from the jump, they were playing the Bucs game. And that was not a winning formula for them without A.J. Brown, without Devante Smith, without Lane Johnson. And with no Lane Johnson, this was the first time

in a game this season we've seen the offensive line really struggle. It seems like Hertz was sacks six times in this game. Now, Cam Juergens missed some time. It was interesting that Landon Dickerson moved to center. And Tyler Steen came in at left guard as opposed to just Nick Gates stepping in at center. The opposite of what you would think that Jeff Stoutland likes to do, only move one thing. So that was interesting. But, you know, Maelada gets beat around the edge.

Dickerson gets beat on one of those sacks. Vita Vaya was dominating this game. Offensive line, not so great today. No, and I will say that it is, it's, harder to if you are if you're dealing with the heat as an offensive line. Yeah. It's it's harder to pass protect than it is to run around the football. You're going in resort and going in reverse. You're kind of especially if those guys are running the hoop on you time and time again. It is harder to pass protect in that environment. But yeah, I mean, the offensive line was not good

enough. Certainly in the yeah, you saw Jordan myelado on one of those last plays just get cooked around the edge. And I couldn't even I was just like yeah, dude's gas like you could just see it. He had nothing left. They went to him once on the sideline and like, the beard was sweating. Like there was just sweat coming out of sweat. And I think those dudes were just cooked at the end. And two of those guys on the Bucks defense, Vinny, guys you played with that I kind of want to ask you about.

I mean, Levanti David has killed the Eagles forever. I mean, that guy is so good. What was he like as a teammate? Oh, man, true leader. You know, he really thrives in the way they scheme him up. He's probably one of the best blitzing line inside middle linebackers in the game. maybe of all time in our game you know definitely a future

Hall of Famer in himself and then to see Vita you know He was a rookie when you were there That's what I said like to see him like The drive in the way he's been thriving You know he was going to be An elite player

He's just a strong human being Did you know it like immediately As soon as you saw him on the field Like damn this guy's got it Yeah yeah so you know my Quick little story Everybody had kids or whatever My son had to be like one

and he's like Maui And he's like Oh You know Noah with the singer He's like Oh that he got Oh that's so good

Does Vita lead into that? Oh you love it Yeah His part of it's like it's It's like it's caveter That like Oh that's right That is

It's thing man He doesn't get a tattoo today of just kicking the Eagles ass? That's great. What can I say? Except you're welcome. Got the whole, you know what I mean? From the islands over there? Oh, that's so good.

I can't go crazy. Bo, I threw this in the slack as I saw it just as the game started. You see this? Speaking of Levanti David, apparently Eagles linebacker Devin White retweeted a post mid-game about Levante David's forcing a fumble against his own old team. Yikes. Now, Devin White did not travel.

It was listed as out for this game for a part of, personal reasons. I hope that's not true. Because that's not... Yeah, I mean, it's certainly possible that this... Yes, it's not the most credible. It's an aggregator account that's putting it out there. But like, if that is true...

Well, Greg Alman, who covers the Bucks also... Oh, he originated with him. Okay. That's not a great look at kind of the culture here. Yeah, it's not ideal. But, I mean, Devin White hasn't played a game for the team yet, so... But he's... He's...

He doesn't have been here to watch the game with us. I mean, yeah, it made it. make the trip. All right. We will hopefully hear from Siriani soon and see what he has to say about what was a very ugly performance from the Eagles. What do you, I mean,

if you try to sort of take a step back and just think big picture through four games now, how do you feel about this team? Let's start with you, Fran. Like, I mean, it's a, they're two and two. It's a very mediocre team. Yeah,

that's what I mean. Like, it's the old, you are which record says you are. They look like a team. two and two football team. They look like an inconsistent team. And so you take the buy, you lick your wounds.

You try and get, obviously, they need to get healthy. The buy is, we're going to hear this a lot this week. The buy is coming at a great time for this team. Yeah, it's not coming at a good time for like Nick Siriani's ears. No, no, he's not. Because he's going to be a lot of Siriani talk over the last two weeks. But I think that for the players, this is an opportunity to, it's going to be uncomfortable. My guess, I mean, Vinny, tell me if I'm wrong, there's going to be uncomfortable conversations

in the plane ride home and probably. over the course the next few days before the guys go on the break. But it's time for this team to look in the mirror. Because it is going to be a big turning point when they come back from the buy. All eyes are going to be on this team to try and turn the corner. Yeah, I think the optimist in me says, all right, you kind of survived, you know, worst case scenario where Zach said in the pregame show, you know, three-fifths of their best players are Lane Johnson, Devanti Smith, and A.J. Brown, you're missing three-fifths of your best players. So part of me goes, all right well i can't really fairly judge them because their big horses aren't there for them

uh on the other hand i go wow this defense is a sieve and this is a problem and they suck so like it's kind of like you know the angel and the devil on my shoulder going all right bro there's still a chance you know you get a j back you get devonte back lane back you're gonna be all right and then i go the well the defense looks like trash and i don't know viny when you watch this team how do you feel you're one of us now getting to watch it on the couch with the blood pressure yeah you said You know what I'm saying? How do you guys do this? Yeah, man, it's just crazy.

But I'm not going to hit the panic button yet. You know, somebody needs to be an adult here. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not going to have the panic button yet. You know, I want to say this can't continue on. Sure. To October football. Right.

Because if it reached January and December football, we've got to take care of business. And now, you know, September is out the way. Now we'll just, you know, buckle down. and just, you know what I mean, do things simple, you know what I mean? You rather it's having that hard conversation, you might have to start, you might have to start Brandon Graham. Yeah, right. You might have to play more.

Yeah, yep. You know, and I know B-body pie, like, damn. But I have to play more, though. That's not true. You know, because at the same time, this you know, you know how the edge is going to be set. And I'm not saying that the guys can do. do it, but let him show them how we should look.

You know, there's some things that got to get cleaned up, you know. Defensively, they get their weapons back on offense, and let's just really put this thing together, so I'm not going to hit the penny. Hassan Redick for Bryce Huff, just let's call it even. Redo on the whole trade.

I think, I mean, maybe the Eagles eat some of the Huff money. I think the fans will go crazy. I think the fans will. I think Hassan would like it at this point. Right, man. You know, at all, It could be one of those things. You know, they might have the scheme.

Huff up a little different. Well, I don't want to ruin Bryce Huff Day. He did show up on the statue, guys. One tackle. So we have a non-guise. That's good. That's great. It's a big breakout day for him.

So after the buy, next four games for the Eagles, home against the Browns. They stink. Struggled. Good defense. At the Giants, one-player team. At the Bengals, and then home against the Jags. to play your boy Doug Peterson.

So three of those four are very winnable. Yeah. So let's talk about it. Coming after the buy, you think Jim not going to come in here and not want to win this game? Yeah. You're absolutely right about that.

I'm just saying, especially, you know, like, you know, we got to get this thing rolling. We got to get our SHRT together. Yep. No, I think that when you look at this team, obviously there's going to be a lot talked about over the next couple weeks. as a player, obviously everybody says they unplug,

you're not going to hear any of the outside noise. But during the buy, is that harder to do or is that easier to do? If you're, hey, this is family time or you're going to check out a little bit. Well, during the buy, you want to just get your body back right, reset the mind frame and understand the goal. The goal is to have a shot, you know, to have a shot at the, you know, the trophy. And we used to say, yo, the goal is to be in the tournament, which is the playoffs. So that's the goal.

You know, once you hit the reset button and understand, like, what you, why did you put your body through the sacrifice from the summer to now is up to this point. So now it's time for guys just to show up. It's just to show up. You know, we can see here and say, oh, you got to show up.

Everybody get paid to do a job. You got to do your job. We got to show up. And I think that part of the situation here, Vinny, and you have been on other teams as well. So I'm curious what you think. To me, the Eagles have always been a, a player-centric organization.

It is the players who sort of carry the weight, right? You know, Nick Siriani is not like the most like follow me into into battle kind of coach. Well, to your point, Reeb Blanketship and Jalen Hertz spoke to the locker room after last week. You know what I mean? Like Nick Siriani just went,

yep, you guys got right? And for so long there have been those, you know, the Jason Peters is, right? The Fletcher Coxes, the guys like you, who have sort of carried that torch. There are not quite as many of those guys on the team now, but there are are still some. The, the, uh, the player accountability of it and we are the guys who have to carry this team. Like, who does that fall on on this team? Jalen? Uh, Brandon Graham, Jalen, you know,

L.J. Lane. Because there's still some caliber guys here that actually played in the last Super Bowl. So they understand what the formula and what it takes to what. Yep. You know, well, when, when the accountability meets expectation is, we would like to call the, Philadelphia away. So, but if the accountability is not meeting the expectation, and that's what gives us problems like what we have right now. Yeah. I mean,

I think like the hope is they just have enough talent. Like, and when A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Lane Johnson get back, that they can still be a top five-ish offense. Like, I think that's the most realistic hope for this team. Sure.

And Jalen's best, you know, chance of pulling out of this is getting those two back because, you know, drops today. but the record with and without Lane Johnson is one of the most mind-blowing stats about the Eagles over the last decade. I mean, they're a, I think, seven or eight win below 500 team without Lane Johnson.

That just continues again today. So, you know, I think that's a huge deal. And A.J. Brown and Devante Smith change a lot. Now you just got to hope that outside of the turnovers, Jalen's look fairly good. Yeah. Today was not. Today was not.

Today was definitely It's worse. It's worse. It's part of the conversation of like, how do you evaluate him outside of the context of him having one of the most

quarterback friendly situations in the league? When that wasn't the case today, he looked bad. Yeah, I mean, the turnover is the other thing too about it. If you look at, you know, and we talk about, hey,

he leads the NFL in turnover since what, the start of last season, right? Second behind him is Josh Allen and third or fourth behind him is Patrick Mahomes. And I'm not saying that Jalen is Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen,

but there is a gray area, right? the other guy on that list is Sam Howell. He's not as bad as Sam Howell. So it's a matter of trying to find that spot in the middle of that where you've got to tow that line between being that playmaker and also being able to be judicious and take care of the football. And I think more often than not, some of those are good turnovers, right?

Like those are, you know what? That's a perfectly fine play or that's just a misthrow. The decision was fine and Devonti didn't run a great route, whatever it is in any individual play. But it goes back to what we said earlier. in the aggregate like they've got to cut these turnovers down or they also have to start getting some turnovers on defense because that's yeah that's the other part of it's a very good point you're losing you're losing the turnover battle because you're not getting takeaways on that on the other side of the football yeah today josh wet like came down on me i don't know how mayfield held on to that one but i thought sweat was going to get one And there are a couple of tipped balls that they were so close. I think that was BG with his hand on the one.

The one Jordan Davis hit and TV Garden of Johnson went right through his hands. I mean, they've, they got to make some place. Well, if you're feeling like more optimistic than maybe we are and you want to sort of rep the merch. We do have some new merch for you on the P.HO.I locker, including a little shout-out to a Vinnie inspired say, Kuh. Don't make a try and do it his voice right now. fire. Sequin.

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Isaiah Rogers shoves the guy into him. Then Keely Ringo trucks sticks him. And then the two of them combined to make a good play by blocking the punt and then returning it. That was a hell of a return from Kele Ringo. Yeah, I mean, great play, athletic play from Keely Ringo. And I thought Rogers was about to get that field goal too. Yeah, he was very, very close.

But the ones on punt return are boneheaded plays, both of them. You can't have those. The muffed punt is like one of the most game-tilting kind of plays because you get a stop on defense and you immediately give them 60 yards at another possession. It was the only stop. They had the whole first half. Yeah.

That's brutal to give that up. And I actually think that the Rogers one is worse than the Ringo one because I think the Ringo one might have been, you were speculating too, might have been on Dijin for not saying out loud where he was. Yeah. That was a miscommunication of some sort. Peter, Peter, Peter. Yeah.

Poys, poised or whatever it is. Yeah. Exactly. But, but, I mean, the Roger. one like what are you doing? Why are you showing that guy right there? Come on, man. Yeah, that was pretty disastrous.

That was tough. All right, we are still, oh, I think we've got Nick Seriani. So let's hear what the head coach has to say about his bad performance today. Not his, but the teams. Pretty early on there. How do you explain that kind of performance of the team? Yeah, we obviously didn't start good or start well. I mean, down 24 nothing to start things off.

Obviously, no, no excuse for that. We didn't come out. we didn't come out. We didn't coach well enough and we didn't play well enough. Why do you look so disorganized and discipline? I mean, your teams to this point have been, you know, no matter what the talent level, you've been pretty cohesive. Yeah.

You know, I felt like, again, as I say, we didn't coach well enough, we didn't play well enough, and that's always going to start with me. If we go out there and lay an egg and we're down 24-0, and that's going to start on me. I didn't have the guys ready to start. But our fundamentals, all right, we weren't what we needed it to be.

We'll make sure that we're working hard on that. And the by-week's coming at a good time. We've got to get our bodies right. And we've got to make some changes as far as what's going on fundamentally. You know, early on in the game, I thought we had some mistackles. I thought we had a couple drops. And those are going to stop drives and those are going to extend drives. And that's where we got to, that's going to have to start with fundamentals.

Then it's going to be looking at our, looking at where, you know, what kind of positions we're putting the guys in, but yeah, we didn't play well enough like you said, and coach well enough fundamentally penalty-wise, everything. Yeah, we had nine plays. I mean, you had nine plays, and three of them are third downs.

So now, you know, he had two carries on six place. I mean, that's the way for it. I mean, when you go three and, when you go three out that no one's going to have any touches. Nobody's going to have any, like, nobody's going to have any catches. We weren't sustained drives. It's another,

you know, we can say about the defense, but we weren't sustaining drives on offense. And so they were on the field a lot early on and a lot of plays. But I think if it's, I mean, I think if you see the flow of the game,

you understand why that happened. But I mean, obviously we want them to get the touches of the ball, but when you don't sustain drives, then you're not going to be able to. Obviously, on the one where we did, you know, get into it, I think it was at the fourth drive where we scored, or fifth, yeah, fourth, then you got a first down. You're able to go on the ball. You're able to get them a couple carries there. But again, and so, you know, and second in 12, I mean, you can run it there to try to get them another carry, but you're trying to get yourself a little bit back to make

sure you're in a third and manageable. Listen, we didn't, we didn't, uh, coach well enough. We didn't play well enough. And that, again, it's obviously, big tropes with yours, anything really good. You've lost turn of battle in every game. Mm-hmm. Minus six now. Mm-hmm. And, uh, what goes into that? And also more specifically, Jalen's pocket presence, is that a concern in how he picks that? No, you know, uh, strip sack fumbles, like, that, that Jalin's getting ready to throw. That's, that's not, when you look at those,

those are, there's, when the guys coming from behind on you and, and, and, and, and, it's the ball out. That's not, that's not, that's not, that's not jailing that, but jailing gets credited for that. And so, you know, again, I'll have to look at the tape and see what happens, but when you don't, again, this game is always going to come down to the details and fundamentals, like, did you tackle well enough? Did you, did you take care of the ball well enough? Did you come after the ball yourself well enough? Did you block well enough? And I just didn't think our details and fundamentals were, we're up to our par, up to our standard. And again, when that happens,

you've got to look at yourself in the mirror first. And I'm at myself in the mirror first. Are we doing the right things at practice? Are we doing the right drills? Are we doing it? So we'll do a deep dive into not only scheme this upcoming week, sending it two and two at the buy, but we'll also look at, you know,

how are we helping these guys become better fundamentally? So, again, with drills, with what we do at practice, with how we watch the tape, everything will be dissected, trying to get a win off the by. How did you think, Jayla, I mentioned that they didn't really know yet what the team's identity was, and something that you're going to maybe figure out coming out of the buy. Do you know yet what this team's? I think it's early, and I think there's a lot of teams' stories unwritten, right, right, yet.

I don't think, you know, again, you have some things that you have some base things that you think that you do well. but to say we know what our identity is yeah I mean I think that's just yeah I mean we're going to figure out what we do well we're going to continue try to continue to do that see what we don't do well try to get out of that and then try to match some of the things that

together I know you said the turnovers are our team you know stash in terms of the fumble in the pocket but are you working with Jalen maybe any differently during the week leading up the games because it has been a few weeks now where your turnovers are coming. Sure yeah I mean all the guys are working their butts off as far as the turn of it or go. Again, we'll have to

reorganize, re-look at ourselves as coaches to see if we're putting them in the, um, doing the right things with them because we're not winning a, at the end of the day, we're minus six. So we all got to own that. We all got to put our, we all put our name on that. So, you know, we'll, we'll reevaluate that. And obviously I haven't done enough, good enough job of that, uh, to date. Because, you know, we, we weren't, last year we weren't great at the turnover battle and this year we're not. So we'll like I said, everything will be

everything scheme fundamentals will all be evaluated because I said it last week you can't, it's not sustainable when you don't win the turnover battle and you're down minus six on it so everything will be evaluated.

The report suggested that when he expected to play last night, do you have clarity as far as his situation? Yeah, at the end of the day he didn't pass protocol. What was he a defensive game plan? Sorry? What was the defensive game plan? No, just to again, tackle well,

try to get them into, try to get after the quarterback. Listen, we didn't do a good enough job on that. But it's always going to start with fundamentals of how we get off blocks, how we defeat blocks, how we tackle, to tell you, I'm going to sit here, I'm going to say that here's what we were going to do on third down, here's what we're going to do on PN10, I'm not going to get into that. but we didn't play good enough either offensively or defensively.

And we didn't coach well enough on either side. And when the shift of time of possession is what it was in that first half, we didn't do a good enough job on offense of giving our defense a rest with the nine plays that we had early in the first three drives. So a lot contributed to that. Again, just that all starts with me. Isaiah Rogers said he was doing a veteran move to try and maybe get a flag on that punt return.

How much whenever you're working through fundamentals do you have leeway for guys who have Yeah, anytime you got to play by the rules of what you do. Again, we made a mistake there. Anytime you have a contact into them, they're going to pick that flag up every single time. So a couple things went into that. Again, we got to, again, we got to make sure that we're coaching it. better. It wasn't. If the guys make a mistake out there, we're going to look at ourselves

first, and we'll get that cleaned up. But, I mean, we've got to make sure we're catching the punt and fair catching in the right time. And then Isaiah can't do what he did in that particular case. They'll be the first ones to tell you guys that. Do you think, obviously, the defense was out there a lot more than the offense in the first half, but there were offensive players that cramped up. Do you feel like you guys were prepared for the conditions? Yeah, I mean, again, there was guys on both sides going down. as far as the cramping. And with the heat, you know, we did what we, we did what we normally do as far as the heat games with our hydration throughout the week.

I know this team's in good shape because they work their ass off to be in good shape with the way we practice and then also the extra conditioning that they're doing in the weight room. You know, that we knew that, I don't remember what, maybe it was in the broadcast. meeting. We knew with a hot game like this, it was going to take everybody all hands on deck, and we needed everybody. Again, it didn't work out, but we knew in this type of game there were going to be guys going in and out because of the heat, and it'd take a rotation by everybody to try to get the thing done, but, you know, obviously we didn't. You spoke about the strip set as like an isolated thing there, but if you think globally

here, it's been a batter in some of these forms situations. How do you know, how do you address that with you? Yeah, again, the only thing that you talk about there is, you know, when you are moving in the pocket, as far as just the ball security, when you are moving in the pocket to have two hands on the ball in the pocket. But when you're sitting here and you're about to throw it like this and somebody come hit you from behind, there's really not, again, you talk about the rhythm of the throw, things like that, trying to get it out in time. Guys have to win down the field when that happens. But, yeah, it's hard. The quarterback again, we'll get the sack if he's here like this.

And the guy can, but it's hard to, it's hard to, it's, there's many things that go into it. And I'm not saying, you know, it could be the call that we made. It could be the protection by a back or an offense line. It could be somebody didn't win down the field. It could be he held onto it too long. There's so many things that go into that. But he's going to get the, he's going to get that credited to him. At the end of the day, it's a team game and it's on all of us, right?

And to be minus six, we all own that. All of us are responsible, starting with me as the head football coach. Again, that stat is because minus six is on offense and defense. So if we're not taking the ball away enough, well enough, and we're not protecting it well enough, that looked no further than me. But, again, we'll look at every turnover that we have this upcoming week. We'll analyze it and figure out more of what's going on. I mean, we've got a good idea, but we've got to get better at that.

What's the first thing that you want to dive into the? Yeah, we're starting, we've been starting slow on offense. I, you know, obviously they came down and scored right away today on defense. So I think it's been both sides, but we haven't, we haven't scored on entering of our opening drive. So we got to start faster on offense. And we'll, like I said, we'll look into that. Sometimes, you know, we've, we've had different variations of how, of how drive. have started but that'll be one of the first things we look at how do we how do we go

down and go up seven nothing or how do we go down and you know go up seven three or whatever it is we got to do a better job starting fast and you know I'll look at everything I'll look at you know what we're calling how we're playing you know anything we can do in practice to simulate it I mean that's what you look at with if something's not going the way you want it to go whether it's red zone whether it's third down, you look as a coach of how can I simulate this. So, you know, maybe it's something like that. I haven't had to do that yet, but everything will be on the table.

Everything, all that matters is that these guys continue to get better and that us as coaches get better. And, I mean, that's all that matters. We're sitting at two and two going into our bye week, you know, and all we can do is improve. And that's all we're going to try to do this upcoming week. All right. Thanks.

Jay, we'll be. All right. So there you have Nick Siriani. We'll hear from Jalen Hertz as well. Vinny, you know, I'm looking at the comments a little bit. And there's, I think, understandably, a lot of frustration with Nick Siriani. There's a lot of people saying, like, get him out of here, hire Belichick, all this stuff, which sounds a little bit nuts. But as a player, how much do you hear that that your coach is under fire?

And, like, how does that make you feel? Oh, man. It's just, the thing go hand to hand. you know if you're not performing the way you're being coached or you know they bung you here to perform and they ain't going to follow you to a certain extent but it's also going to follow the coach you know um it's unfortunate you know i mean like he's right once you're in this by week that you heard him back to the fundamentals yep back to switching some things up he he know what's going on um and that's called that's Chris, I come from a great coaching staff that you.

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that has not scored a point in the first quarter this season. I'm glad you brought that up. What did you make it? Yeah, I mean, look, the whole goal... It's not good. No, it's obviously a small sample size, yada, yada, yada, but one of 32 teams to not do something. Four first quarters is a whole game.

Yes. Yes. And you're one of 32 teams to not do it. So clearly something not working well in the first quarter of games in terms of that opening script. You typically script out your first 15, 20-ish plays as an offense. And it's not going to go one, two, three. There's some down and distance context were provided. But you want to try and do things early on to get yourself into a rhythm, to set plays up for later,

to, you know, try and generate some early momentum. And it's been anything but that. obviously for the Seagull's offense. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you would think it's like your best plays of the ones you're most comfortable with, given the defensive matchups you're going against this week. So like to that point, it is kind of disheartening that they can't get it going. Like these first 15, you know, dating back to Andy Reed was always the ones you felt

most strongly about and all that. So to see it not be effective does make you question a little bit of Callan Moore and Nick Siriani, this offense in general. Yeah. I mean, you have Seekwon Barber. You know what I mean? How many cars do you think? Well, I have.

He had eight at half. He had 10 carries in a game. Yeah. 10 carries total for 84 yards. So you had one that went for 59. Yeah, I believe he was eight in the first half. Well, Nick was asked about it. He said, well, we're only had nine plays in the first three possessions.

And three of them were third down. I'm not going to run on the front of all then. But hear that. That was actually Vinny's jaw hitting the side of the table. He couldn't believe that. It is. I mean, I know that the game flow got. away from them and they're already down seven nothing and then the second possession they're

down 14 nothing but like entering this game you certainly would have thought like on offense this game has to go through sayquot listen we you got to find a way to get him involved on third down yeah he's obviously you know the best player that's out there you know what being that everybody's hurt i mean if i'm thinking of everybody on the team through four weeks of the He's the best player. Who has outperformed expectations entering the season? It's Sequin Barclay, probably Quinyon Mitchell, probably Zach Bond, like relative to expectations.

Brandon Graham, that's about it. Maybe Reed Blankenship. Yeah, yeah, Reed. But it's a small and a steady level. Like, you know, maybe Mackay Beckton if you want to make a case. I mean, Sequin, you can make the case has been the best player in the field. Yes. At least up until today.

the first three games and today you didn't really get a change there has to be a point when you're down seven or 14 other where you can still slow the game down and get your best player of the ball like screens yeah because the day do they do it got it got bad at away it looked like that one could have been a big play yeah I mean here's how the first three drives went so you had an incompletion to sayquan barkley on that scramble drill and jillet has got to make a better throw there yeah it was a bad throw land out touchdown yep bad throw lands out of bounds, but that was a, you know, out of structure play. So then you come back, you call a run play to Sequin Barclay that goes for no gain.

Levante, David, blows it up the line of scrimmage. That brings up third and ten. And now you're out. Second drive. First and ten, throw to Dallas Goddard incomplete. That was the drop. That was a nice ball from Jalen. He put it right on God of a chance.

That was a real nice throw. Probably the best throw the day. Yep. Second and 10, they call a run for Sequan. So second and long run, Seekwon goes for three. Brings up third and seven, Vidaevaea gets, gets in for a sack for minus 10. Third drive. you have a

incompletion to Grant Calcutara for nothing so that brings up second and 10 then you throw the play action screen to Barclay that goes for zero yardage and then third and 10 incomplete to Jahan Dots on a fade route down the left sideline so they tried to get

the ball is just man damn let's dip into Jillen Hertz and here on that side of the ball and I would get down like we did we got to help I have to help the defense out executing, communicating, you know, the things that I'm seeing on the field,

and just trying to really create the momentum that we need just to get in the end zone. It starts with me in terms of getting in the end zone and leading drives, and I didn't do good enough job with that, you know. I know you don't want to make excuses, but when you don't have Arvante and AJ, how much does it do you guys? I didn't play good enough. I didn't play good enough. That's what it comes down to, the opportunities.

You know, it's put a lot of time in this week to take advantage of this game and what we had and the guys that, you know, we had a lot of trust in. We took advantage of some and some we didn't. Ultimately, it starts for me. When you avoid a rusher, does your internal clock have to change knowing that he's still somewhere in the pocket? I'm sorry? When you avoid a rusher like he did on the strip set, does your internal clock have to change a bit knowing that there's at least one body in the area?

I think it's a matter of being decisive and knowing exactly what you're about to do. I think if we get that ball off, we have an opportunity to Grant Cockatire down the middle of the field. Just, you know, didn't end up having enough time in that situation. So we're going to score games now without a first quarter point. What needs to be done to start playing in these games? I got to start fast. I have to play better. Other common friends in these games that are.

problems that are stacking up that would be able to those. I know if I can pinpoint that. You were talking to a lot of different guys after this team on top of Greenwood. What is the message in your mind that needs to be expressed to this team right now? Just keep pushing. Keep pushing. You know, we've experienced different adversities. Just have to continue to learn from these moments. That's been the takeaway from every game that we've played.

We've got high aspirations. As a football team, we've grown together, and we'll have different adversities that are challenged us. It's got to continue to grow and learn from everything we experience. On the first play of the game, I recognize it's easy for me to ask this from this side of the podium, but did you think you had safe one there on that flip? I had the opportunity to him for sure. They didn't make it.

Throw it away. Dahl said that this team needs to find its identity during this week and the next week. He threw it away on purpose. Do you agree? Do you think this team has an identity, or do you think you need to define it? development stuff. I think there are a lot of teams in this point of the season that don't really have an identity.

I think we're still trying to figure that out. I think it's challenging when you've had different moving pieces throughout in that. And so given the opportunities you have, it's truly a so what now, what mentality. And that's the approach that I've had. You know, I just don't think I've been good enough in those areas. You know, there isn't a doubt of anyone who steps on that field in terms of. opportunity. We got to give guys opportunities and put guys in positions to be successful. And I have to have to play point out there and distribute it, really run the show and

lead it, lead to charge offensively. And as a team and I got to be better at that. How difficult is it like you mentioned all these new faces, you know, in the huddle pretty much for the last three weeks and everything. Just kind of trusting and dealing with all what kind of varsity? Yeah, I don't look at it as a difficulty. It's something that's different. It's something that you adjust to. And I had a ton of confidence in the guys who had going out there today.

I just, you know, I don't think I did enough. I clearly didn't do enough. You can point fingers wherever, but, you know, I own all of that. I trust the ball every play, and I take pride in that. I know you guys didn't have a lot of... What is your process when it comes to correcting and turnover? I know immediately after a play, you're penalizing, but how soon do you return to it after a game?

How do you, how and why? There are a ton of different things that go into it. You know, ultimately, the goal is to protect the ball. Yeah, that's the goal. You know, I think there have been a ton of different situations where different things have come up, and then they've all kind of been different in a sense. But you just have to learn from my mom.

This is an early by-week. What do you, will you approach this differently? How will you approach it in the next, however may day? Where do you get back to practice? I just assess these first four games. Obviously, everyone will get healthy and continue to press on and move forward. With the turnover, you're among the leaders this year and last year, which is different from the earlier parts of your career.

How do you kind of process that and what will be the operation this week to help get the best? Yeah, I got to be better. That's the only thing I can say. I got to be better. I think things will be better once we establish identity for ourselves. And we're trying to figure that out. Did you take time to talk with the players as a team after the game like you did after the Falcon's loss?

BG, BG actually took took the throne and had great words. And everybody, everybody, he led that charge. Everybody says something in between time. But, you know, everybody understands that we're going to do this together. You know, we went out there and we didn't do good. enough as a team and that's led by me. I didn't do good enough for me. I'm in my position and so we just have to learn from it. How's the game plan affected or changed when you're down 24-0-0 row? It's just a matter of responding really reacted to what's going on. You have

different things in the flow of a game when you go in and say I'm going to attack a team like this but ultimately you got to go out there and play ball, have a feel for the game and then what they're doing and we just all have to be better with that. Start with me. You have to play better. What's at the top of your list right now to improve? Production. I think production. Taking care of the ball.

Taking care of the ball. And, you know, just the efficiency. We have to put points on the board. That starts with me. We'll do a couple more. Jay. You and Nick are obviously big voices on the team as the head coach and the quarterback. As you enter the buy and you want to find an identity.

Do you two talk about maybe, you know, what you want the message to be to the team or how you kind of want to handle, you know, as you guys go into the second part of you? We have our moments. What's your plan to buy with? I don't know yet. I don't know yet. All right. Thanks, guys.

Good, Colson. All right. Well, we will hear from Zach Berman shortly. I think Zach was in that press conference. Hustling up to get to us now, I'm sure, out of breath. Tough bachelor party yesterday. Belly full of bananas Foster. Belly full of bananas Foster, yeah.

Worry that Vinny's going to get mad at him again for not keeping him in the book. 100 degrees in Tampa he's wearing a bomber jacket he's kind of cool he's a cool guy I mean it's a cool looking jacket but it's hot out there what are you doing Jalen

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fewer calories and carbs than a regular premium beer. All right, friend, here's my question for you. Okay. over the course of the first four games, the Eagles defense is 27th in EPA per drive and 18th in success rate. So let's say that there's something like the 24th, 25th best defense in the league,

something like that, a bottom quartile defense. The offense, 11th in offensive EPA per drive, and 13th in success rate. So like the 12th best offense in the league, now they've been missing some players. Which of those two is it more important for the Eagles to get right, to get better. It's more important to get the offense up to elite level. Because if you have an elite

offense, that's going to certainly raise your floor and your ceiling in terms of your standing in the division and your ability to win the NFCE. So that is the most important. That said, you also don't want it to be a bottom quartile of the league defense either. So both are important. And I think that it's just a matter of knowing, like, you have elite talent on the office side of the football. So you need elite production. And right now, if you're the 11th best offense, that's not elite production. And so you're not getting what you're what you're paying for there. Defensively, you've got youth, you've got some turnover, you've got some new additions. Obviously, it's new schemes on both sides of the football, but you want your offense to be elite.

And right now it's not operating like an elite level. And what I am kind of worried about is intellectually, I know that when you have two new coordinators on both sides of the ball, it's going to take some time, right? Like, you can't expect it to be good right away. And yet, being in it right now, four games into the same. season. I'm a little bit disappointed in like the, uh, the edge that the Eagles seem to be getting by these new coordinators. Vic had one awesome game against the Saints. Packers game was fine, right? These last two games, or the week two and week four have not been very good. And aside from week one on offense, we have not seen anything super

interesting from from Kellyn Moore. This week was an opportunity to maybe see something like that. And I've been a little bit disappointed by the, the edge that they seem to have gotten on both sides there. Yeah, you were, you were hoping for for a little bit more, certainly. And now you, you do anticipate that you're going to get a little bit of improvement with a new, with it being a new, a new system on both sides. The guys get a little bit more comfortable, certainly offensively, getting AJ back, getting Devante back. That will help things. But yeah, right now, it's not what they need in order to be one of the best in the NFC. Do you have memories, Vinny, of like, scheme changes and how long it, it felt?

like it took for guys to get comfortable? Yeah. Yeah. In 2012, we went from 4-3 to 3-4. Yep. And then in 2015, 2016, we went from 3-4-4-4-3. Yeah.

And then anybody remember that first couple weeks, we went from a 3-4-4-3, we were struggling. Mm-hmm. But then once it clicked, it clicked. And then the next year, once it went. then the second year you get to the Super Bowl, right? So, I don't know. And had one of the best seasons in the league.

Yeah. Yeah. What's the hardest part about, obviously, you made the switch to and from, so I'm sure it was probably a little bit different, but what's the hardest part when you do make that scheme change? Is it terminology stuff? Is it the execution on the field? I would say, I would say for us is just understanding what you do best and how does it fit in

within this scheme without freestyle, and doing your own thing. And I imagine also that goes both ways, right? The coordinator understanding what his players do best and how to put them in those positions, right? And that's why I'm not hitting a panic button yet

because they're going to go into the biweek. We need you to be the voice of the president. They're going to go into the biweek and then they're going to get things right and they're going to put guys in the right position and they're going to scheme up some of the players and we're going to be bringing some heat and it's going to get his right.

Vinny, we looked at each other. Eagles fans ears, go ahead. Me and you kind of looked at each other when Jalen said it, BG addresses the team after the locker room. He's, you know, Mr. Leader, Mr. veteran. We sure losers. Hmm. We saw losers. So what is, what does BG speaking today tell you that somebody needs,

the veteran in the room needs to take control of this? Oh, man. Tell guys what they need to hear. We saw losers. At the end of the day, when the expectation is here, and, you know, the, the, The accountability is here. Yeah.

The other will make you elite. But if the accountability is not here and the expectation is still here, you're fooling yourself. So we know BG is Mr. Affable, always smiling, puts everybody in a good mood. What's he like now when he addresses a locker room after a game like this? Damn, V, he died. No, he's a sore loser as well. He's like the rest of us. And I know he's pissed.

And this is why I said There's something It's very fixable If he's talking, it's very fixable You know what I'm saying It's just doing your job better That's it For a little longer

Doing your job A little longer Doing your job better And more effort That's it Everything was to take care of something Why do you say That if he's talking

It's fixable Because he knows that they're close And he says hold on Just give me the mic I got this Yeah Yes And let me say

And let me tell Brandon Graham is One of the most guys on a team that could get you out of a dark place. You know, influential, you know, and inspiring, you know what I'm saying? So he got that in him. So when he talks, people, like, they're on notice. Has he done that for you?

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you know, we came in this thing. Like, we're part of the culture change. Sure. You know, that was, when Philly was going through that coach of change and, you know, the whole hottest team is this.

I remember my, during my rookie year, guys was out there with the bags on their face. I'm like, oh, like, that was crazy. Yep. But then now look at the run from 2012 to right now. The expectation is here, you know? And it's a reason why it should be there. So why not have that leader that was part of this new result? and the new coach of change talks at the locker room.

So I'm not hitting a panic by it. With you all right. There you go. Big positive. BG addresses the locker. I love it. Speaking of adults, let's bring on our friend,

Zach Berman live from Raymond James Stadium. Zach, how you doing? How sweaty are you? It's hot, not as sweaty as the players on the field or in the locker room, but I did try to hustle up here, so I got a little sweat on the brow, but it's worth it to get on the show and see Vinny.

All right. Give us the, what was the pulse of the locker room? So we hear that, BG spoke to the team in the locker room afterwards. They just got it handed to them. They've got a biweek coming up. Was this a dejected bunch? Was this a, you know, a sanguine bunch? We know what we need to do to get a fixed.

What was the pulse? Long to change, quick to exit. That's why I would explain it. A lot of guys kind of lingering before they got into the showers, whether it was conversations about what happened or, just just kind of figuring out you know um i i don't want to say wallowing in the result but a lot of guys sitting around not quick to the showers but then once they got shower quit getting out of there right so you know this well as a big reporter bow is in that like you are waiting for the guys to change

and then and usually there's like um you know different uh there's different times when you get different guys everything was kind of happening at the same time here today so um but Overall, the mood was exhausted to use what one player, what Avanti Maddox said. It was hot as F out there. And there was so... Good self-censoring. Good job.

Yeah. They were exhausted. But then the explanation was like there was understanding that they just got, you know, their rear ends beat. some it wasn't shrinking responsibility if you will but it was an acknowledgement

that the buy could be coming at a good time there's things they need to fix a big talking point was that they need to find their identity and kind of hone in on their offensive identity defensively I obviously did not hear the start of your show

but I did hear or start of our show I should say but I saw a tweet up that you you had the amount of time Baker and Mayfield got rid of the ball. That was one thing you heard from the defense is that he was getting rid of the ball quick. So I did ask what was part of the game plan playing off coverage. And they said they got to go back and watch the film on that. But clearly, I would say this wasn't like the most dejected locker I've ever been in,

but I think this was an exhausted locker room. You know, just to give you some color on the way down, I saw CJ Gardner Johnson in an ice tub getting in a, IV from trainers, right? You saw him exit the field. He was, he was in an ice tub getting an IV. Like, that's how it was, these, these, these guys were exhausted. And I understand Tampa played in the same heat that they do, but as like Paris, I was talking to Paris Campbell about this. And he said, you know, Tampa might be more used to it, right? It's, it's not like this in Philly. They, they really felt it out there. I don't know, Vinny, do you feel like that's like, they weren't

prepared enough for that? I mean, you talked about like, some of the secrets you learned along the way. Listen, you can't never prepare for no damn heat. Okay. When that thing is, it had to be over 100 degrees out there. You know, it's very rarely that you'll see the bucks put up their tent. That's how that gives you an example of how hot it was down there. Yeah.

Yeah, so, but you've got to take it upon yourself and, you know, and hydrate all throughout the week. Just keep hydrant, keep pushing the fluids down. Because you know where, what kind of? Kind of right, man, you get ready to go into. That's a personal. They made me lose my voice. I'm so damn mad.

I was watching that thing, man. Good ahead, Fran. I was going to say the hydration thing, that's a personal accountability thing, too, right? Because they can give you all the fluids outside of putting the IV in your arm. Those guys, to a man, have to take care of that on their own, right? Absolutely. Yeah.

Then you hydrate, then you go on a plane ride and you get right, going to this heat. Right. You know, airplanes, you know. They got to be doing what friend does. You've got to see the size of his water bottle. It's sitting out there. insane. It's a big water bottle.

It's like a town's well. It's nuts. Zc. would be proud. Zach, we do have a super chat that wants to know how the bananas foster was

and urging you to hydrate. So let's, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we're at that end of one. Yeah, especially in the spirit of the, of the show,

I did try the bananas foster. It was, it was actually, it was a tight call because I had to meet, uh, two listeners at half time to sign a book. And so I was kind of fighting the crowd to get down there,

the franchise out, wherever books are sold. So then I came up and I didn't want to miss any of the game. You know, Sequin had that big run to start the half, to start the second half. So I got kind of in between drives. So I didn't finish it, but I knew I had to have it for the show. It remains the best banana fosters I've ever had in the press box before. So, uh, wow. statement. But but but as you said at the half or at the kickoff show you've been having it in that in that press box for a long time has the level dropped. No you know maybe it was because I didn't do it at half time so there was no line. The

banana the ice cream ratio was actually very good this this time. So you know yeah she she hooked me up with with two scoops of the banana of like the fault part of it and I and I I wasn't going to finish it here, right? It was just kind of the taste test it for the show, but they did a good job. So, Zach, what was your impression? Once again, you know, defense might have been the biggest problem today, but Jalen Hertz and the turnover issue unfortunately continues.

And it's going to be a talking point amongst the Eagles fan base here going forward, probably in a pretty big way. What was your sense from Jalen about the turnovers today? He seemed to be kind of two-word Jalen in his press conference there. Yeah, Jalen was taking responsibility for the turnovers, which was interesting because Nick was not putting it on Jalen, right? You guys heard and heard Nick, I presume. Yes. And he was kind of going through the functions of the Strip Sack, how the quarterback gets assigned for it, but it's not on the quarterback.

And so you might have heard me follow up with Nick saying you can say that from an isolated perspective. If you look at it globally, there's been these untimely turnovers in situations. you know, I know they were unlikely to win the game at that point today, but it was a two-possession game and they were driving, right? I mean, they were in position to make it at least a 10-point game, maybe a seven-point game, right? And as Jaylon said, the ball's in his hands every play, he's got to take responsibility for it. I think, I understand Nick's point about the strip-stack component, but I also think there has to be a presence that the quarterback,

has in that situation. You know you're under duress, right? You, you can't be fumbling the ball in that spot. And if it's isolated, okay, but you, you look at it. They're minus, what, there are minus six this year in a turnover differential. Jaywin has, what, 27 inters, I'm sorry, 27 turnovers dating back to the beginning of last year. We talked about the Falcons game, the interception there, this is happening too frequently. So yeah, Jalen took responsibility. You know, there was one point, it was interesting when he said, we need to play better. And then he changed we to I. And I thought that was telling because nothing with Jalen is unintentional. And I thought it was intentional that he changed that from we to I because he, he, I do think he wanted to put

the target on his back, if you will, but he needs to fix this because they are not. And not a good enough team to be turning the ball over at the rate they are. And as Nick has been consistent with this all along, it's unsustainable to expect them to be in the red in turnovers and win the game. And it starts with Jaylin because he touched the ball every play. And I understand Nick's point about that's a defensive stat too, and the defense isn't taking the ball away enough, but the offense is turning the ball over too often. So let's stick on the offense, Zach. the jailing of it, a little bit aside, are you comfortable just writing this off as

they didn't have AJ Brown, they didn't have Devante Smith, they didn't have Lane Johnson, they're going to get those guys back after the buy, the offense will be okay, or do you think there are deeper issues at route here? I think there are deeper issues in terms of the way they're starting games. They're the only team in the NFL that hasn't scored a point in the first quarter of a game this year.

They were three and out, three and out, three and out. By the time they scored a point today was 24-0, right? that affects your offensive game plan. A big talking point among, you know, reporters asking questions today was Saquan not really getting much involvement early in the game. And you heard Nick's answer to that, that it was really only six plays, you know,

that you're talking about, two touches and six plays, because they were in these third and longs. But if you look at kind of the rhythm of it, he was not getting, you know, they weren't handing the ball off on first down. They weren't getting in the third. and manageable. So I

think that yeah, clearly this offense is much better without A.J. Brown is much better with A.J. Brown and with DeVante Smith and with Lane Johnson. That said, when you go into a game, when you come off the bus knowing you don't have those guys and knowing your wide receivers

are Jahan Dotson, Paris Campbell, John Ross, Johnny Wilson, then you need to call the game accordingly. Right? And I think part of that is is leaning on Sequin, leaning on Dallas Goddard. Fran Duffy had in his opponent notes the keys to the game.

Former temple coach? Yeah, one of the keys to the game that Fran had, and I thought this hit it on the head, was not getting in third and longs, right? Because of what Todd Bowles can do in those blitzing situations. Also, let's face it, when you don't have your best players,

your best pass catchers, it's hard to convert third and nine and third and ten, right? I mean, the odds are already, against you there. So I thought that there could have, there should have, there could have and should have been things they, they, uh, could do on those early downs. Now that said, you can kind of go play by play. And I know if I was having this conversation with Nick, he would do that. The first play of the game, first offensive play of the game, that could have been a touchdown Saquan. And I asked Jalen about that. And Jalen said there was a play there to be made.

So I, you know, the, that's not right. You're, you're right. That should have been a touch shot. Yeah. The, uh, the second, um, first down of the game. Dallas Goddard needs them you know, that's a ball Goddard can catch. So the counter to me can be these first down plays could have and should have worked,

but I still think that coming off the bus there were things they could have done with Sequin to get into more second and third and manageable situations. And also, Zach, to that point, too, let's not act like Seekoine Barkley is just unusable in third and seven and third and eight situations. There is a world where he can catch

the ball and be a part of your offense when it's not an obvious rushing down. And we haven't seen that. There really has been no like kind of outside the box offensive thinking, no ingenuity, no creativity. I know they're down, but like kind of pisses me off to hear that, you know, oh, well, you know, two of those downs. You can't really count on Sequa. Yes, you can.

Get them involved in the game. Yeah. Although I would say that, you know, there were a lot of our listeners were probably ready to drive Brian Johnson down to Washington because of third down money plays, right? But I hear you there. And yeah, I mean, there's ways you can get him in the screen game like we've talked about. Like Sequant Barclay and Dallas God, were there two offensive weapons today going into the game? You need to maximize the amount of touches they have.

Yeah, I don't like that answer at all. Oh, well, two of the downs, we can't use Seekwon. What are you talking about? That's literally your job. He's the best player on the field almost every second. he's been on the field this year. Figure it out. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, Nick was addressing more of the run. I know. I'm just pitching. Yeah, I hear your point there. And I think it is like that's where.

Vinny's not his head. He agrees with me. So I got on. I know the origin of this question. The origin of this question was playing without AJ and Devante. And that's where I think you can look at this game from an isolated perspective and from a global perspective. From a global perspective, they, they have a problem. coming out of games and the they have a or they have a problem starting games I should I should

say so the way historically you know when when Vinny was there and when the Eagles have been best they get on you early okay they they take early leads uh then they can control the game with their offensive line okay and can pin the ears back uh yeah people are uh hacking up around me um but they are consistently they are consistently playing from behind and to me that is the biggest problem on offense right now. I get the turnovers but I think the fact that they're consistently

playing from behind and they're not able to kind of create that offensive identity early in games has been a problem. And what would you say is their biggest problem on defense right now? The lack of a pass rush without a doubt. Now look, Brandon Graham and Josh

sweat both had sacks today. It shouldn't take until week four for an edge rusher to get a sack. But overall, I don't think this pass rush is imposing. When you look at the matchups they had going into the game, you could have identified two or three spots on that Bucs offensive line where you say, all right, the Eagles can take advantage of this. And they did not. And you can say Baker is getting rid of the ball quickly. And I understand rush and cover needs to kind of work together. But the reality is the investments on this team on defense by and large are made on the defensive line, right? And I understand you can point to the first and second round pick this year and corner and they're paying sleigh. And I get that. There's more invested in corner than

maybe in the past. But still, where the money and the picks are invested is on the defensive line. And we've been talking about this since the offseason. And if they are mediocre as a pass rush group. And, you know, my, my radar was up when I was speaking to Jeremiah Washburn back during the summer. And we were talking about where the past rush is coming from. And he said, you know, who's, who's going to be the big sack guy for you? And the answer is it kind of needs to be a the sum of the parts, you know, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts type of thing, right? And I think that is, that's concerning because what you want is you want blue chip guys. You want the guy you're paying $17 million a year to, if he's in a one-on-one situation against

a backup tackle to get to the quarterback. You know, you want your first-round pick from last year. I'm talking about Nolan Smith here, but I'll include John Carter in that. You want your first-round pick from two years ago. You want these guys to be in the backfield, to use the phrasing that Nick Siriani said, playing on the other side of the line of scrimmage. And the Eagles don't play on the other side at the line of the scrimmage nearly enough. They did it against New Orleans. They had an outstanding game against New Orleans. They haven't done it since.

And that's been a problem. So, Zach, if you are a young man scheduled to wed and you have your nice bachelor party weekend in Tampa Bay with your brothers, you have a good time, you have a great dinner. But the Sunday is spent watching your favorite team get shellacked. and you're sitting there in 100 degrees. How does that go over? What kind of experience is that like? You know what? I haven't spoke to my brothers yet.

I do have an article to write, but I will meet them for dinner just because they're down here. And so I will get the lowdown from them. I got to imagine they had a lot to sweat off. So maybe the heat was good in that regard. But no, I think, look, this is a memory nonetheless. but the game itself is probably not a good memory for them. Oh, well.

Exactly. At this point, do you play Devin White? I'm curious if Devin White's on the team when I get in that locker room next, you know. So he did address the Twitter thing. He said he meant to just heart the post, not retweet it. Yeah. Human error, I guess. This could be one of those Friday at 4 o'clock during the bye week.

See you later. tried to do that news dump. Look, I mean, Bowes made fun of me going back to the summer. I like Devin White. And I thought Devin White could be a factor on this team. Clearly, the coaches don't think so. He's not going to help you on special teams. But given the fact, and I don't know the personal nature for which he was absent today.

But I do think it would, at this point, I'm surprised if Devin White plays it down for the Eagles this year. Yeah, what do you think is the status of the group text thread with him and Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown? Probably dormant right now. But, hey, there's a lot of room for motivational sayings, for sure. There you go. All right, Zach. Any final thoughts?

Any final color to give us from Tampa Bay? Yeah, so I look forward to being on the show tomorrow. I do think I need to vacate this room any minute here. But I will say that a big sentiment was, like I mentioned, that the bye is coming at a good time. You know, this team's been on the road three of the past four weeks. I know the first week was a home game. But between, you know, and I'll defer to Vinny on this, but I have lived this now.

Traveling every weekend for, you know, or for traveling three or four weekends, that does wear on these guys. It certainly wears on me. So I think there's an eagerness from the group to even though it's an early buy. There's a sentiment that is coming at a good time for them. Jelen Hertz wouldn't tell me what he was doing during the buy, but I got to imagine that there's a part of this where the coaches are, you know, Nick said they're going to look at every turnover, they're going to figure out the slow starts.

But I think for the players, this is a chance to kind of rest, regroup and then, you know, try to go into that October portion of the schedule where it, I don't want to say it's a little softer because I thought the NFC South portion was going to be a soft portion for them. But I think that even though they won't say this. I think if you told them that they'd be two and two after four weeks and you didn't have AJ Brown for three of those games, you didn't have Devante Smith and Lane Johnson for a game and a half, it's like, all right, take that and then try to get some momentum going into October and

November. So that's kind of the big picture. And then, oh, and then I'll say this. I spoke to Isaiah Rogers about that, you know, about the pun situation. He said that he was trying to push, you know, he he he he didn't realize the rule there that um that i have to listen back specifically but he thought i guess it's a you know it's a once it's a fair catch and then you get pushed into it could be a dead ball like it's not a live ball there um uh cooper the jean didn't he was just trying to mess up he was just trying to get cooper de jean hit like he thought it was like he thought he was doing a veteran move i i believe where like he could try to force a penalty in that situation. Well, let's not do that anymore.

Yeah. What is that? But he would, I think he thought that he, I think he, he thought it would be a penalty on the receiving team, I'm sorry, on the punting team in that situation,

right? That is so funny. Because even so, you're getting five yards and you're getting Cooper to Jean crushed. Yeah, Nick Set, he'll learn from that. You think that's for that? Gene got crushed twice. I asked over the Gene how he came out. Yeah, he said he's fine.

You know, he was a little frustrated after that second one there. But I spoke to those guys. And yeah, I mean, I think as Avanti Maddoch said, it was hot as F out there. And that was a sentiment that a few of those guys shared in similar type of terms in my conversations with them. And what does that stand for? Foe, I'm trying to keep a job when I land tomorrow. Foster. Yeah.

Foster. All right. Thank you, Zach Berman. Make sure that everybody picks up the franchise, Philadelphia Eagles, a curated history of the birds, wherever books are sold. We're going to talk about that a little bit more this week on Wednesday show. We look forward to that. But Zach, otherwise, you and I will be in studio tomorrow at 2 o'clock flights dependent. Yeah, I truly, as a friend, as a friend, I appreciate the plug for the book. But I do want to say, I hope everyone reads, all p.hly.com. I have a column that I'll be working on that kind of gives you some of the different, similar to the last week, it'll be flavor of some of the different things that I heard.

It'll address a few different points. And then I have a fun story coming up a little later this week. Maybe at this point I'll have it early next week during the buy. And then, yeah, looking forward to some of the things we have coming up on all pHly.com. So make sure you're in diehard. Thank you very much, Zach. Thank you. All right, let's run through our super chats before we get going here.

That I say, Roger's thing is wild. Wild, right? Yeah, that's not a good look. At all. No, that's not a good look. In the National Football League, bro. That's quit doing that. I don't think you should have said that part out loud.

I wouldn't have said that. Just say you made a mistake or he tripped or something. Yeah, yeah. I didn't want to get him hurt. All right. Richard Fitzwell, our friend, is an owner with a spine lets Nick go tonight. There is no objective reason to keep him around.

and game plan is on the head coach regardless. I imagine that he is not the only one of these superchats, potentially calling for Nick's ouster. Cole B says, I've had enough of Jalen Hertz. He stinks. 2022 was a fluke. What's Carson Wentz up to?

At least he drug a sorry cast of receivers to a division title. Finney, how does it feel like Bia on the other side of this? How people talk about the players sometimes. I thought Ashon Jeffrey was a beast. Oh, he's talking about 2018 or 19. He's talking about when they went the,

but when they were not a good team. Yes. Yes, Alshan, absolutely was a big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just, you know, the biggest thing is to be on the opposite side, I ain't got no voice. So I'm going to feel like,

now I see where a lot of the frustration was coming from and everything like, God, damn. Then you're hearing, you're hearing people don't know some of the rules and stuff like, yo, come on, man. Yeah, I agree with that. Claude Debussy says, hard to feel good about the future. When you know the GM will face no accountability

for this roster shortcomings, he'll get to pick another head coach and quarterback. This is perfect. We have three, the first three comments, get rid of the coach, get rid of the quarterback, get rid of the GM.

The trifecta. Yeah. Teams two and two. I can't agree. I can't agree. Yeah. No, Howie's a maid man. He's safe for a long long time.

I think Howie does bear a lot of responses. for the state of the team right now. I also think he's pissed off too. Yeah, I would imagine so. I would imagine Mr. Lurie going down to Tampa and getting embarrassed by Todd Bowles over and over. Yeah, it's quite embarrassed. It won't surprise me if something gets shirking up by 4 o'clock,

you know, going into the by week, one of those days. Yeah, I think that's certainly possible. But, I mean, we can talk about Howie, but like, I mean, it's not a fantastic job in the aggregate, but, you know, the Bryce Huff signing is not looking to do that. Sure, that's a third round pick for John Dotson. Johnson's not looking too good. Like Kevin Byard last year.

He's not playing up to his, you know. Yeah. Rory says Brady calling out Hertz's inability to read defense in a skull emoji that, you know, Brady, he was willing to be a little bit tough. What did you guys think of the Brady experience today? It was fine. Yeah. It was okay.

Yeah, he's a little rough around the edge of still as a color guy. But I thought the funniest thing was him like actually being mad at Baker Mayfield. Oh, that was outstanding. You see the country club became too, Baker. Yeah. No, I love that. Take care. Yeah, I like that.

That's not a take care because Brady doesn't hang out with kids. Roe Heat says, I just hope they can get the seventh seed. Realistic expectation. Joe Sox says, so the Eagles do not run in the first half now, QB2? And that is along the lines of what Chase Daniel Plainview says, I don't believe the offensive production today would have been any different with Tanner McKee at quarterback. That can't happen with the franchise QB.

I mean, I do think they win the game if Chanter McKee is the quarterback. You know, looking back at last week now, looking back at last week now, I really believe if they didn't pull that game off. I know it's not Lori's way. It's not his thing. If they're one and three going into a buy and Todd Bowles just spanked your head coach again, I think that's a real conversation they're having during the bye week of can Kellan Moore just step in for the rest of the year?

because you know he would have considered it I really do I do too I don't think that he would have pulled the trigger but I think if they were one in three and there was the you know the the falcons loss which is very much sort of on Nick oh yeah I think he would have I think he would have thought about it I think that's a real possibility and I think Nick's reaction I mean the man was crying after a week three win you're so hung up on the crying well because I think it tells you he feels like he knows his days are limited he is a bad week away at any given moment from losing his job. And, you know, to your point about the player's locker room, like,

they got to bail Nick out here because my man is on the griddle. Well, I thought, I thought DeNiz made a really good point on Friday that, you know, for all of the hand rigging we can do over the game management stuff, last week after having a very, like a crushing last second loss, they came out to play. Everybody was ready to play against the Saints. And that is the coach deserves credit for that, right? like the thing that he said in the press conference on Friday about we focus so much on the X's and O's,

but I think the relationships matter probably a little bit more. Nick Siriani is here to get these guys to play hard. But if you're giving him credit for that for last week, you have to say that this week, they go down and lay a complete egg, the entire team, all three phases. And so that does fall on him a little bit. And so, you know, I think he's going to be the coach for the rest of the season. I think that probably makes sense. It would be a little bit nuts to cut bait now,

but he has to prove that these guys are willing to play for him right now. I think, like I said, going into the by week, I think he's going to veervaluate some things and how things have been going on. And I think that he will be, he's going to be more hands-all with some stuff. What do you think the most obvious changes, BG starting and playing more? Maybe doing that dirty work and being a pinner and sending an edge.

Can BG be the third receiver? He might be able to. I would say, just, you know, like I say, on defensively, just scheming things up a little bit. You know, like, you know, just putting guys in different type of positions now that you got something to play with. And I think on the offense, you get your weapons back, I think it's a different conversation. Yeah, I mean, AJ Brown is one of the great Cologne's in this league. You know, there's... Even if you had Smitty out there today.

Sure. You know, it's a different day. I mean, you went from one of the best wide receiver rooms in the entire NFL to Jahan Dotson. John Ross and Paris Campbell today. I mean, that is a massive, massive downgrade. There's absolutely a scenario in which we look back at this game. Sure. In two months,

they're like, oh, man, remember that game they had to play without AJ and Devontaine Lane and they got smoked? Well, like, you know, that wasn't that such a big of a deal. Like, those guys are all healthy. The offense looks good. But, I mean, the defense needs to take a step forward. And I think the quarterback right now needs to take a bit of a step forward. So at least protect the ball more.

Yeah. Because they're just not good enough to overcome turnovers. anything that you think, Fran, is like a big buy week must do? I mean, going back, I do want to watch the defense of all 22 and just get a sense of exactly what happened from things. Things looked so easy for the bucks in the first half of this game. And they clearly made some adjustments because then things became not so easy. But I do want to see exactly what buttons Tampa Bay was able to push to make things look that way in the first few drives. it may have been as simple as,

hey, they came out in heavy personnel and were able to get the Eagles in base defense and spread them out and create easy completions that way. My gut says that that wasn't the whole story. But look, when you have things like the mistackles, because that's not scheme. Like Vic Fangio is not fixing mistackles. That's not on Vic Fangio.

Those guys in the locker room are adults. Those guys have been playing football their whole lives. Like, they know how to tackle, but you got to go tackle. And so there are things you can do in terms of getting back to basics and they'll drill stuff and things like that. But at the end of the day, this was not an offense that was, you know, Rashad White was not the hardest running back to tackle in football. No. Bucky Irving is a fourth round rookie, not the hardest back to tackle in football. You know, so to me, you know, going back, I think there are things that they can tweak. You know, look, we talk about the press coverage thing.

And, you know, they were last in league in press coverage coming into this game defensively. That's just the way that Vic Fangio plays. They typically play with their corners from depth, but they were in the top five in terms of contested throw rate. Those guys are always around the football. In this game, guys were too often wide open. Those guys did make some tough catches for the bucks, but overall, again, things looked so easy.

So what are the things they get to? Yeah, there are some minor things, but I almost want to kind of wait until I watch tomorrow to really get a good sense. Do they have the personnel to play good enough press, you think? Or is that something with Vic that's just a staple of his and it's not going to change regardless of the personnel? You know, I think it goes hand in hand with like the amount of man coverage he typically plays.

You know, you go back over the years. He typically doesn't play as much man. But then the year when they had Patrick Sartan and they were like, oh, yeah, like, oh, shit, our secondary is pretty good. Yeah, we're going to play a lot of man. And we're going to be able to blitz. We can do some things. I do think that the Eagles have a pretty good starting corner duo. They have a talented duo in terms of Slay and Quinyon, but not to, you know, not to the point where you're going to play a ton of press man and feel like you're going to be okay.

All right. Well, a lot to work on for the. Eagles over the course of the next couple weeks and I'm sure we'll be talking about it all week long on the PHLY Eagles podcast 2 o'clock every day this week and the week after. That'll do it. The Eagles go to the buy two and two after an ugly loss in Tampa for Vinnie Curry and Jimmy Lynch and Fran Duffy and Andrew behind the scenes. We thank everybody for watching and listening and for Zach as well.

We will talk to you tomorrow and as always. We love you. Y'all silly like the mayor.