PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Training Camp Countdown: Who stands out in the secondary alongside last year’s rookies?

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

With just days remaining until the start of training camp, our last position preview focuses on the secondary. Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean and Reed Blankenship return as the incumbent starters, but who will step up to fill the void with Darius Slay and CJ Gardner-Johnson no longer in Philly? Which young players are ready to emerge? Fran Duffy and Rich Hoffman break it all down. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Happy almost football. My name is Rich Hoffman and welcome to the P. H.L.Y. Eagles podcast presented by DUDAT Dental Group. And I am here with my friend Fran Duffy. It looks like got a little sunburn, Fran over the, a little bit of color. Yeah, well, color.

Thankfully, no burn. I think it's just like the lighting in here. Thankfully, no burn. I've been trying to be, you know, judicious when it comes to the sunscreens, trying to set a good example for the little guy. But yeah, no,

I'm excited for football to be here, hopefully out in the field here in a few days. So I recently had a vacation fran where part of one of the days was spent walking just around a bunch of parks all day. And a couple of my friends, they got extremely sunburned. And they were surprised. Like they didn't, you know, we were kind of walking in very open spaces on a just brilliantly sunny day. And at the end of the day, they were like super sunburned. And I was like, guys, like, come on. Weren't you like, you know, we're in our 30s here.

Like you got, you got to put some sunscreen on, you know, you got to set an example, like you said, for the kids. I mean, I was one of the worst. When I was a kid, I got sunburned so bad. And I have been scarred for the rest of my life. So I made sure to get going. Okay, friend. First thing I wanted to ask, because I believe tonight is the Eagles ring ceremony. Their private ceremony, not the actual one, you know, before the first game.

you went to the first one, right? You went to the one in 2018, or at least we're a part of the organization. Do you have any memories from that night that you can share with us? Yeah. So funny story is I actually missed the ring ceremony last time. My wife and I were on vacation. It was the,

we would have had to come back from vacation early to make it to the ring ceremony. And a lot of people say, oh, like, what, yeah, cut the vacation short. Like, I valued my vacation time. I was like, you know, like time away. I was like, you know what? Like I'll get the ring when I get back. And so I missed the ceremony. But yeah, absolutely the, you know, the ability to everybody kind of open their rings at the same time.

My understanding was like, you know, they did like a three, two, one. Everybody opened the box and got to see it for the first time altogether. So I'm sure a lot of fun memories will be made tonight, certainly from a lot of the players and the staff. I'm totally with you. Don't cut your vacation short for that. it's fine. Just go on vacation, you know, you'll get your ring. Yeah, no, I think you made the right choice there. Okay. So today we're going to talk about the secondary. This is one of the last groups to talk about in our training camp countdown series. And Fran, I got to say, I actually think I lucked out.

Sometimes I don't get the good content days here. The secondary, I think as far as training camp is concerned, is the most interesting position group to watch. At least, you know, when I look at there are probably three and a half position battles in training camp if you include linebacker until Jehad Campbell gets healthy or figures out what position he's going to play. And two of them are in the secondary. So I don't know. I think this is probably the most interesting spot. So let me ask you, I have a million questions for you about this. In terms of training camp, let's start with this one. In terms of just strictly training camp, when it comes to all of the position groups and you're watching and you know,

you and Bo and Zach are write down your notes and, and you know, you're trying to observe as much as you can. Where does the secondary rank in terms of the position group where you could actually glean the most from practice and seven on sevens and everything that you get in training camp compared to the other position groups? It's a good question and it's honestly, it's a layered answer because when you're looking at it,

number one, it's a position. I love watching DBs. Like, you know, when I'm evaluating college players, like, Corner is one of my favorite positions to watch. And so I often find myself watching the DBs during training camp, just because it's a position I enjoy studying. So I do, I would definitely put it up there as one of the positions I most like to get eyes on when I'm on the practice field. But that said, it's also a position where it can be a little bit tricky to have, like, big takeaways on because when you're watching, everyone loves one-on-one drills.

So we, me and Zach and I did a piece a couple weeks ago where it was, you know, what are you? your favorite things about training camp. One of my favorite things about training camp is being able to watch position one-on-one drills, wide receiver DB one-on-ones. Well, that is a drill that is geared towards the offense winning. A wide receiver can do a crazy triple or quadruple move that's not applicable to actual football gameplay. And it might look good on Instagram or on TikTok, but all of a sudden, like, you know, now everybody's reporters right now, you know, this player lost, you know, the slot receiver carved them up when in actuality in a game, that's not how it would go. I also would be remiss if I didn't say one of the worst individual training camps I'd ever seen from

I think I know you're, I think I know what you're going to say. Yeah. I mean, you know, like Patrick Robinson in 2017 was, you know, he got beaten like a drum every single day and he's lined up on the outside. And, you know, they go and they make the trade for Ronald Darby. you're right before the eve of the season. And then, all right, Darby starts outside. Patrick Robinson slides inside.

All's well in the world. And he ends up being one of the heroes of the Super Bowl run once you get into the postseason. And it was rock solid inside all year long. So it is a position where, yeah, like, there are definitely things you can take away. But I wouldn't necessarily believe every single training camp report when it comes to like, oh, like this corner didn't look good on this drill. He lost on that drill. You just got to be a little bit judicious when it comes to.

understanding the recaps from those practices. I am so happy that you brought up the Patrick Robinson training camp because I was, I was doing some work and I was at a decent amount of those practices. And he was getting burnt every single practice. It's the drawings our friend Jimmy Kemsky would do of the rainbow of the receiver running past the quarterback. That was Patrick Robinson every single practice. Tori Smith, Alshon Jeffrey, Nelson Aguilar.

They were all beating him deep. And look, I think part of it was, there was excitement for Carson Wentz going into that year. And so, you know, you could take. So it's always the question. It's the same thing with Lane Johnson and Bryce Huff last year. It's like, well, you know, like Lane Johnson's also pretty good. You know, I think it's fair to say now. It was fair to be worried about Bryce Huff in retrospect.

But you're right. They bump Patrick Robinson inside and he's phenomenal the entire year. He makes the huge interception return against. against Minnesota. Yeah. So yeah, it was, I will always remember that just thinking like they're completely screwed at the cornerback position. And that guy actually was a huge part of winning them a Super Bowl.

Yeah, and I like your point too about the one-on-ones. The way I view one-on-ones whenever I watch them, whenever the DB gets a stop in a one-on-one drill, it's like, wow, that's amazing. Like, amazing play because you're right. The receivers, they're running routes and they have the type of freedom. and they just they just don't have on the field usually. So that that is. Because that's the thing is that honestly, the way you put it is exactly right,

where when you see a DB win in that drill, that weighs heavily. That weighs more heavily for me than a guy losing that rep. Because, again, those drills are geared towards that player losing. It's the same thing with O-line, D-Line, one-on-one. When an offensive lineman stops a defensive lineman in that setting, that is definitely, that carries a little bit more weight. Yeah. And like when it comes to this Eagles team too, I got to imagine.

Look, I can't wait for the training camp reports. I'm going to read R's and I'm probably going to read like three other ones to every single day. I thoroughly enjoy it. But I have to keep in mind like having to defend A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. Like that's not a lot of fun when the drill is also geared towards the offense, I imagine. So I don't want to overreact too much. So let's actually start with the entire secondary. And let's have a question.

you. Of the two departing players from that that core five that they had last year, which one in your estimation is going to be the tougher one to replace? Darius Slay or C.J. Gardner Johnson? It's a good question because I think that Slay was probably the, well, yeah, Slay was the better player last year in that defense. That said, I do think that safety is maybe you could make the argument a little bit more important in the defense. You could probably make it, you could convince me and twist my arm to make that argument. That said, I do think that it is, it's Slay just because of the overall talent. Look, he's not obviously the same player he was four years ago.

But I think when you're looking at what Darius Slay meant, you know, we talked about this on the show in recent weeks. I think one of the last episodes we did with Day Niz before he took off on his, on his jaunt around the world, when you're looking at the versatility that Vic Fangio had on a week to week basis where he could tilt the coverage any which way he wanted. Some weeks, they clouded a safety over Quignan Mitchell's side and gave him a lot of help and they left Darius Lay one-on-one. And then they might do that for three quarters. And then the entire fourth quarter, oh, it's going back the other way just because that's how the offense deployed itself.

Right? And it's like, all right, well, I know I've got equal amount of faith in either one of those guys to be able to hold up on an island where now I can shade a safety over to the other side. Now there's going to be a little bit more on Kili Ringo potentially or Doree Jackson, whoever that other starter is. and we can get into that. But whoever that second starter is on the outside, is Vic Fangio going to have that same level of faith? Or does that mean that you're going to have to move Quinyan Mitchell from side to side on certain downs?

And that to me is one of the more fascinating storylines to follow as we go through the summer. Probably played into, you know, having two corners who are as capable as Slay and Quinyon, too, on each side to. It probably plays into the whole philosophy of Vick's defense, too, right? where you're basically showing the same picture before every down, but you can be versatile and you can tilt the coverage one way or the other. So I think you're right about that. You also, in just reading you and talking to you,

like in the middle of the year, C.J.G.J., who, by the way, I am pro CJGJ. I think he definitely really helped his defense, like the intangible part, too, of just being an irritant. Like, I am convinced that that actually matters to. in the middle of the year, it felt like there were a few games where you were like, okay, this guy is the weak link back here. Like teams are targeting him in the red zone. So, you know, we'll see how that goes.

But they certainly are going to have to fill both of those spots to good players leaving. So would you, by the way, would you agree with me too? Do you think this is going to be the most watch position group during camp? I think so. You know, I think that between that, you know, Zach and I had the conversation about the defensive line yesterday. obviously you lose Milton Williams and Josh Sweat and Brandon Graham. I mean, they're there are big shoes to fill up front. But I think I would agree with you where this one, this is the position where a lot of eyes are going to be who is the second corner or the, you know,

or if you want to say the third corner opposite the two sophomores in Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper DeGine. And then who's the other safety? That's those are important positions in a Vic Fangio defense when you're talking about a group that's probably more important to be built from back to front. And so I think the yeah, these are more important position battles when you start talking about the, the overall state of the Seagull's defense in 2025. You convince me that Tyler Steen is going to be the most watched player just because he kind of stands out on the middle of that line. But yeah, I think especially because you have two spots to fill out of these five.

Like I think people are going to be paying a lot of attention to that spot. I mean, the rest of the team is just very good, right? And I think we have a lot of known quantities up and down the roster, which is a great place to be. But in terms of trying to find some training camp content, I do wonder if we will look a little bit in the secondary. Okay, let's start at the corner position, and let's start with the guy that we don't know of it, right? We'll save the known quantities for a few minutes down the line here.

Keely Ringo, I have to say, is still a full year younger than Quignan Mitchell about. Actually, Quigionan Mitchell's birthday today. Happy birthday to him. He, Keely started four games down the stretch of that 20-23 season where the entire, entire defense is falling apart. So, Fran, in terms of, this is a guy you studied in college, this is a guy that you had two years of film. I'm not really two years of film because he didn't really play a lot last year. So let's talk. What are the strengths of Keely Ringo? What are the weaknesses? And I guess from what little you have seen in the NFL, has he changed anything over

these first couple of years improved or just needs to show things from that pre-draft scouting report? Yeah, I think to answer the last part of your question first, that remains to be seen as if how much he has improved just because it's been such a small sample. And I am anxious to see what he looks like here this summer and see if some of the areas where he did need to improve if he had taken that next step. And time will tell with that one. But in terms of like the strengths and weaknesses with Keating Ringo, you start with the physical tools. And that's what attracted me most about his profile. We joke about how he's a full year younger than Quinnian Mitchell. that was a big part of the projection and the evaluation because he had outstanding height, weight speed,

he had all of the traits he were looking for. He could come down and deliver a big hit. He came through in crunch time in big moments for Georgia. We remember the defensive touchdown he had in the national title game. So this is a guy that consistently showed that ability that he could be that big play guy, a true shutdown corner without standing height and length. And, you know, he could turn and run as well as anybody. The big things that I wanted to see from him, number one, would be the incredible.

zone awareness. So, and that's very, very important in a Vic Fangio defense is just understanding, hey, you know what? In this coverage call, what are the different routes that the opposing offense is going to run to try and attack me specifically or this coverage scheme on my side of the field from this set, right? So you come out and it's a, it's a three by one set and you're just having that mental roll of, hey, you know what, these are the plays that this team likes to run and this down in distance. And now I've got to make sure that I'm in position to defend those type of routes. You see that time and time. That's one of the things I love. about Quignan Mitchell.

That's an area where you want to be able to see Keely Ringo continue to improve and excel. And then on top of that, that should then put you in position to be able to make more plays on the ball. And I go back to Keely's first training camp here in Philadelphia. There were a number of plays where he's playing an off coverage

and there's a short throw in front of him. And it's just like, Kili, like, go. Like green light, like go. Like make that use that speed to kind of trigger and make a play on the football. And he was just like a touch late or maybe he took his eye off the ball last night and couldn't finish. You want to be able to see him just be a little bit more opportunistic,

especially given the fact that if teams are going to be staying away from Quignon Mitchell, you know, in theory, like, all right, there's a potential top 10 corner in the league. We're going to stay away from his side. We're going to attack the inexperienced young player on the other side. You want him to be an opportunistic player. So even if he does have some mental lapses, he can almost be like the corner version of C.J. where, all right, he's going to give up some plays, but if he can take some away as well

and get the ball back to the offense, that can counterbalance that. You want to be able to see that from Keely Ringo because if he's not taking the ball away and he's giving up some of those big plays down the field, that's just that's, that's tough sledding. And that's where you probably are going to see you. You'd probably see the vet in Adoree Jackson there. So if he's able to make those mental strads, I'm excited about what he can be. I have no questions about him in the run game. I think he'll hold up fine there.

He's always been willing. He's big. He's strong. He's a physical competitive player. So I'm excited about him from that standpoint. But to me, it was the mental and the finishing ability. for Keely Ringo on the boundary. So that scares me a little bit because the mental ability is very important in this

Vic Fangio defense. Like I just even think back to Coup's pick six in the Super Bowl. That's just perfect. Like they just completely pass off the routes. He realizes that he's free and he can freelance just because he knows what like the four other guys around him are all doing and that they have the routes completely covered. So yeah, I'm a little worried about that. Now here's a question for you.

Because they might target that other cornerback a lot, because we'll get into Quignan Mitchell and Cooper de Jean in a little bit, like, is there, do you think there is a scenario where maybe Kili Ringo does have the better physical tools? Maybe he is better against the run and certainly, you know, his highlight plays or as highs are going to be higher than the other guy. Is there an argument to be made, though, considering how important the zone coverage and zone awareness is, that maybe you just want somebody who knows what they're doing in that spot. And Vic Fangio could maybe default to that. Like I would imagine Kili Ringo is the massive favorite for this job just because of where he was drafted because of his tools. But I think we do probably have to acknowledge that having somebody who knows what they're doing in that spot might,

it could be something that the coaches look at. Yeah. I mean, you've been around not just like football, but sports like your whole life and following coaching staffs and like following these like narratives behind the scene. that sometimes that stuff kind of rises to the surface in terms of their usage in practice. So to me, like, we will get a sense of the mental strides that Keely Ringo is made and if coaches trust them by what this rotation looks like early on. If it's Keely Ringo all the time working with the ones throughout the course of the early

stages of the summer, that to me shows that, okay, they've got faith that he's picking it up and he's improving and they're giving him every opportunity to earn this job. If it is more of a 50-50 split, to me that shows like at this stage of his career, that if Fedora Jackson is coming in and trying to take that job from Kili Ringo, that would not speak super well to what Ringo has been doing behind the scenes, in my opinion. So I think that if you're, to me, like that's an early sign for us. When we get to next week and even like the weeks after, that if Keeley Ringo is a true timeshare corner, then that's probably a little bit worse.

I would say that's a medium red flag from that standpoint. But I mean, the other side of it, too, is even if like, if Ringo does win that job, all right, let's say, all right, Ringo, we're going into the seas. We're going to hope he wins the job, right? I'd be fascinated to see, you know, we talked about how last year they tilted coverage either way. Like, sometimes they tilted it towards Slai and sometimes they tilted it towards Quignan, and they were able to give both guys help and also leave either guy on an island. There is something to be said.

And I wonder if they go about it this way as well. In certain situations, you go back to that, like, Bill Belichick would do this all the time where, hey, you know what, we're going to give help to the number two corner. But the number two corner is actually going to be over the number one receiver, right? So you take Coney Ringo and you use his height, weight speed. Let's say they're going up against, you know, Justin Jefferson. All right, Ringo, you're going to go over Jefferson and you're going to use that physical. Use those traits.

You're going to press. They're going to play up in the line, be aggressive because you've got safety help over the top. And now that's your essential double team on Jefferson. And now we're going to leave Quinnian Mitchell one-on-one with Addison. and completely erase him from the progression, right? And so I think that there, that could be something that we see here from Vic Fangio as well. And that's, I, I am fascinated to see how he treats that cornerback situation here as the season unfolds.

It's a big part of, of the conversation when it comes to this defense to where it's just like, yeah, in past years and in past stops for Vic Fangio, the, the second year, usually his defenses take off. Now with the Eagles, it took off after week five last year. And, you know, they really reached just an incredible. incredibly high level that I think even, you know, as somebody who like knows and understands how well they played, sometimes I don't even like completely appreciate how well they were playing really for four months last year. So where do they go from here? And we can talk about that

in a little bit after the break. But one more thing before the break. Can you tell us what type of player is Adori Jackson? What can you expect for him at this point in his career? Because he is an older player at this point. And you know, what has he been up to? too with the giants over the past few years. Yeah, at his peak, you know, he was probably one of the better, like, pure, like smaller matchup man-to-man corners in football. You know, he had the ability to travel, you know, play inside and outside, primarily off coverage, but, you know, had that ability to get up and press against certain types of receivers as well. Obviously, you weren't going to put him up, you know, face-to-face with Calvin Johnson, right, in terms of that

physical mismatches because he is a little bit on the undersized side of things. But I think when you're looking at him now, he's going to be getting by more on the mental side of the game. He hasn't lost a huge step, but he's certainly not the athlete that he was when the Giants initially signed him away from the Tennessee Titans a few years back. And so, yeah, at this stage, you'd probably want him more to be your fourth corner just from a physical tool standpoint. But if pressed into action, could he be a replacement level number two guy, potentially? And I think that that's the way that the Eagles would probably look at that going in. Yeah. Look, I am very much hoping that Keeley-Ringo,

just wins this job. I feel like the Eagles learned a lesson last year where they, they decided, even before the season started, hey, we got to start, like, trusting young guys, we got to start trying to lean into the whole player development idea. Now, they had, I would say, like an outlier amazing season in terms of, you know, how that went. You know, they hit on a bunch of draft picks, but they also got incredible coaching and they got better. I would hope that they learned that lesson in same. Like, look, Kili Ringo is the younger player here. He has a lot of tools. We can probably deal with, a few growing pains the first couple of weeks because at the end of the year will be a better

defense. So I hope that is the case, but hopefully Adori Jackson can provide like a level of competency to make Kelea Ringo win that job where it's not, you know, if it's handed to him, like we can talk about the little semantics there, like are they handing it to them? Do they want them to win the job? Whatever it is. But hopefully Kili Ringo shows well in training camp and does that. Okay.

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overcare complex. We will have football back in our lives. Sure, Fran is very excited about that. I know I certainly am. Okay, Fran, we talked about the big position battle at the other cornerback. Now, let's get to the guys who we know are going to be on the field and that we know are pretty darn good players. Quinyon Mitchell, we've been talking a lot about the Jeremy Fowler ESPN series of, you know, the best players around the NFL at their position groups. There had been a lot of Eagles who have been featured. The one I was most curious about actually, Fran, was the last one that was featured. I was like, where is Quinion Mitchell going to rank in this piece? And basically, it's not just Jeremy, you know, I'm sure everybody has heard us talk about this, but it's not

Jeremy Fowler who's doing rankings. He's polling people from around the league and averaging up their thoughts together. Anyway, Quinyon Mitchell did crack the top 10 in year one. He was the number nine ranked quarterback and, you know, some of the coaches and scouts in there were talking about what a confident player he is, you know, how he proved that he was able to handle top receivers last year. And one thing that I remember, you talked about from back when he was at the senior bowl, you know, it was like, can he play press coverage? That was not a big part of the college experience for Quinyon Mitchell. And he proved that, you know, he can do it. You know, he's very good at off coverage and very good at, like we said, passing people off in his zone coverages. But, but he can

do that as well. So good to see Quinyan make that list. I believe Cooper de Gene was on the also receiving votes. I'm pretty sure if they were ranking this not in alphabetical order, he was ranked 16th or so. So that's a pretty good start for him, I would say, especially when you mostly play the nickel corner. I feel like pretty much everyone in front of him was not a nickel cornerback. Okay, friend. So let's talk about Quignon Mitchell. Year one has established himself as already a very good outside corner, somebody who looks like he's going to be a building black player on this defense for years to come.

Year two, what are you looking for him to take that next step to maybe the elite of the elite? And how can he start doing that in training camp? Yeah, I think the big topic, I think, surrounding Quinyan here in year two is going to be just the takeaways. You know, just being able to capitalize

on some of those opportunities last year. We kind of joked about it, but didn't get that interception in the regular season, got the first one in the Super Bowl in the end zone. But when you're looking at Quinyan, you know, the big thing, you mentioned like the confidence that was cited in that piece, that absolutely stands out with him. And to me, that's something that I always value at the cornerback position. But he's got that ability to win from press, win from off, win in man, win in zone.

Like, all right, too, you're just checking all the boxes with him. He's got all the physical traits to be able to hold up in every coverage. The big thing will be, all right, like, can you take the ball away? I'm going to be honest. I was a little surprised that he did crack the top 10 because that is a that's a position where you know, sometimes like your name kind of carries carries a lot of weight, maybe maybe longer than it should, right? And so I was I was a little surprised that he was able to get that love. I don't think it's undeserved, but I thought that I was, I was a little surprised that he was

able to get into that list so early on in his career. So I think when you're looking at Quinion Mitchell, the big thing here this summer, my guess is he's going to be matched up with with A.J. Brown more often than not. You know, typically A.J. Brown, when they start doing like one-on-one drills in practice, and usually those guys are married up together. So in terms of like, all right, every day, the same receiver and corner are going to match up. You have the same matchups day after day. Typically, A.J. Brown will get first crack and will be on the far right side of the formation. And Devante Smith will be the far left of the formation when they start doing the one-on-ones. If Quionioniongichel is the left corner, which he was for the spring, he was the right corner.

all last year. He was a left corner all spring. If he continues to be in the left corner, he's going to be seeing A.J. Brown. How does that go? Like, you know what I mean? Like, does he make some plays on A.J. Brown in these one-on-ones? Or is going to be A.J. all day? That is going to be fascinating. But the big storyline for me, Rich, I think will be just creating more turnovers, finishing on balls a little bit more consistently than what he did as a rookie. Yeah, that was frustrating for, I would say, like, the first, I mean, not honestly all the year, right? Like, I think, you know, he didn't get that interception until late and that was even late in the game that was kind of like a you know a funny moment but yeah I mean

he was in position really like all the time it was like at some point like you got to you got to finish on on some of these plays so yeah I mean I think that's that's definitely a fair way to look at it do you expect him to travel more this year I know you mentioned that he did see some time at the other spot you know he basically just played on one side all of last year across from darius lay we saw him at the other spot during the spring practices, do you expect him to be a guy who maybe travels a little bit this year, especially considering what you have at the other cornerback position, that's a little more unsettled. Yeah, I think that that will depend on their faith in Kili Ringo and whoever that second corner spot is.

And again, it could basically there are a lot of different ways this can go. This could be a situation. We're okay, yeah, we're going to travel Darius, or we're going to travel Quinnion Mitchell across the field against the number one receiver. and even if they're not playing man-to-man coverage, he will always play over top of that number one receiver. A lot of teams have done that. The Eagles did that at times with Darius Slay throughout the course of his career

in different defensive schemes, you know, under different defense coordinators. So that could be something we see. Or it could be that he is going to always be the left corner. You know, last year, Slay was the left corner, Quinnian was the right corner, set it and forget it. And that was that. It could be that, you know, because there are like numbers that say,

all right, well, most quarterbacks are right-handed. Most throws are happening to the right- side so you want your left corner to be the better corner. And the ball is going to get there a little bit faster because Cubies are typically rolling right or they're trending to the right. So the ball get that a little faster. You want the more reactive player to be there on your, you know, on that left side, on that side of the field. And so it could be that, yeah, like Cunyan's going to be that left corner the whole time or they could be switching it up. That'll be, again, that's what that is one of the things that makes this cornerback position so fun to watch here as we go, not just through camp,

but through the preseason and then once we get to week one as well. Fran, if I remember correctly, you probably remember this better. Didn't Q was playing all over the place last year during training camp. Like it wasn't, it wasn't obvious in watching the training camp practices that he was just going to be the left corner. Yeah, the right corner of the entire time. Yeah, well, because Cooper Degine was hurt. And so it was, right, who's going to be the nickel corner? And it was very, it was pretty early.

It was within, I think it was towards the end of the first. week, Quigion Mitchell just showed up one day and was like, yeah, you're playing nickel today. And he jumped right in. And so, Bo was spot on at that point. I remember listening to a show at that point and Bo saying, yeah, like, to me, this means Quine Mitchell's going to be the starter on day. You don't do that to the rookie and then he comes out and he looks pretty good in practice doing it. If you don't think that he can't just come in and be the starter, even on the outside of corner, the fact that they showed that level of faith in him and he responded well, I think that was a good sign for his immediate future.

Yeah. And I think it also goes to show, too, that sometimes coaches are trying guys out of different positions for different reasons, right? Sometimes maybe they don't have confidence that they're at the position that we thought they were going to stick at. And sometimes in the Quignon Mitchell case, they have a lot of confidence that he's going to be fine on the outside and they want to see what else he can do. So, yeah, I mean, I do remember, though, watching that first game against Green Bay and be like, okay, yeah, like he's just going to be set at this spot. And he took that position and was great the entire year. Okay, now let's talk about Cooper DeGine, who did not play in training camp last year, got off to a slow start because of an injury.

You know, some of the buzz I remember in spring was like, you know, he's going to be maybe the outside corner in base. I think as we've talked about, that's cool. But it's also something that in week five we might not really care about. You might not really even notice during the flow of a game because base defense, I don't know why we still call it that anymore because it's not really used that often. So Cooper Dijin, in terms of what you want to see from him in year two, like I assume he's probably just going to be the nickel. He was amazing at it. It was

transformative for the Eagles defense when they put him at that spot last year. But what are you looking for him in year two? Yeah, I mean, I would expect that he's going to be the full-time nickel corner. And then my guess is, is that when they do play with four DPs on the field, you have that extra linebacker out there, that he is probably the second corner. He's probably going to be the right corner where Quinyan was last year. That would be my guess. And so I think when you're looking at it,

Dijin is going to continue to man up on the inside. I think that that is, again, we've talked about like the safety and how important that role is in a Vic Fangio defense. The nickel corner is right there. And you might argue is even more important just because of all the different ways that he's able to impact the game and all the deposition groups that he works with. Remember, there were times last year where, Teams would come out in 12 personnel with extra tight ends out in the field,

and the Eagles would stay in their nickel package and bring Cooper to Jean down to play as like an extra linebacker down on the line of scrimmage, you know, next to a defensive end, next to Nolan Smith. And it's like, yeah, like they feel confident in his ability to play down in the muck, you know, in the trenches, close to those guys. But then also he could play man to man flexed out into the slot as well against the receiver. And so that versatility I think is extremely important. His communication with linebackers, with safeties, and with outside corners.

that makes him one of the best nickel corners in the game already. And so I think when you're looking at Cooper Eugene, I would just expect more of the same. You want both of these guys, he and Quignon, come out of the summer healthy, hit the ground running here in year two. It's almost a little boring just because they really proved so much last year, right? And they could even take a small step back and still be playing at an extremely high level. They were just part of an amazing defense and they were both awesome last year. Okay, for the sickos, let's talk a little bit about. the depth. I think one guy that stands out just looking at this depth chart that I'm curious to

watch both, you know, if I'm down there at training camp, but also in the preseason when he gets on the field, Mac McWilliams, their fifth round pick, one of the cornerbacks. What can you expect? What, you know, what are you looking for from him? And then are there any other guys that you're looking for in that, in that cornerback depth group? Yeah, I mean, I would, Mac McWilliams is certainly a player that I'll have my eye on, a fifth round pick, a rookie you would think is going to be on the 53-man roster. That would be the hope. This is a guy that has the ability to play inside or outside.

I made some comparisons after the draft that he is like an Avanti Maddox-ish level player where, you know, maybe ideally he's a nickel corner in the future, but I don't think that he is like prohibited from playing on the outside, even though he has a lack of size because of his competitiveness and because of his instincts, his ability to find the ball. That's the same thing you would say about Avanti Maddox when he was coming out of pit. And so I think when you're looking at Mick Williams, I'm excited to see him. him honestly like you go into one-on-one drills. We talk about how that's tilted towards the receiver winning.

That's where he first popped to me, Rich, was watching one-on-one drills down at the senior ball. I thought he was one of the best in those drills over the course of the week of practice down in Mobile. And so I'm excited to see what Mac McWilliams looks like. But then it's a lot of familiar faces as well. I mean, Eli Ricks still here. You know, he's in his third year now coming out of the out of LSU and in Alabama.

When you're looking at Eli Ricks, what does he look like in the second? year under Vic Fangio. You look at, uh, yeah, at, uh, good, three Castro Fields. Another guy was they got off the street, former Penn State corner. He's built kind of like Mac McWilliams has been primarily an outside corner, but he's on the undersized side of things. Parry Nickerson, the same deal.

He was a former draft pick of the New York Jets, uh, explosive athlete, smaller, probably more of your nickel, but, uh, all these guys, you kind of throw him in a bucket, shake it up and see like, all right, like out of this crew, who stands out to be the, the fifth corner behind Adore Jackson. or Kitty Ringo, whoever is not the starter here once we get to August. That will certainly be something to watch and we'll probably get to see all those guys compete in the actual preseason games. You know, not a lot of the big names play in those games anymore.

I assume we will see a decent amount of those guys when the Eagles play in the preseason. Okay, Fran, next we are going to talk about what I think is the most interesting position battle on the Eagles roster because just because I don't really know what's going to happen there. and I think it's very unsettled unlike Kili Ringo. I think I know how that one's going to go, but this next one, we'll see. But first, we will hear from a couple of our friends. And guys, DoDat Dental Group, our presenting sponsor,

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the battle at safety and like look it's uh it's going to be an interesting one i think the first question is we're assuming drew macuba is going to sign uh here because there has been uh quite and this is not just a Drew McCuba issue. There has been a delay with a lot of the second rounders around the NFL because, and I don't know who the first couple players, apparently the first couple players in the round got guarantees that usually are reserved for first round players. And that is sort of backed up the entire second round in terms of when they are going assigned. It does feel like, you know, you've seen in the news that some of the players have signed over the past couple weeks. I mean, Drew McCuba, I have seen the videos. He's working out hard with Jehobob, so I imagine he's

probably going to sign, but I guess we should have mentioned that part. Okay, so let's talk about it. Drew McCuba, Sidney Brown. I think Vig Fangio also threw McCollum in there as well in terms of another player in there. Before we get into the individual players, Fran, I guess, why don't you handicap what this competition is going to look like heading into training camp? Yeah, I mean, look, first off, as far as like the McCuba contract situation, my, if I were to handicap, that I would say report day is Tuesday my bet my gut tells me that like all right Tuesday afternoon you'll get a tweet out eagles break the news that with a graphic at a picture of him signing the contract they will get that done now that we're starting to see like that cascading news with those second

round picks my gut tells me that that that'll happen uh with macuba and the eagles here in the coming days so once that started uh it felt better about that situation now as far as the safety room in general. You know, it's going to be really interesting, man. How again, it goes back to like the Quignon Mitchell from last year where they kind of threw him in and said like, all right, like, you know, sink or swim and he was able to swim? Do we see that here with McCuba early on in training camp? Do they cut to we come out and we see him working with the ones faster than we expect? And if he does well, my guess it'll be his job. You know, I think when you're looking at it, you know, Sydney Brown obviously was coming off the injury last year. And even though it was,

McCollum was ahead of them. There were other guys that were ahead of them, you know, on the depth chart and in that pecking order. You almost want to give him a little bit of a pass. You know, I was never like the biggest, you know, believer in terms of Sidney Brown's upside. I really liked the floor.

I thought that he could be a really good backup player, a third or fourth safety, but not a guy that I had like high, high expectations for in terms of being a starter. So I do think that he can come in and he can play a role. But my guess is that McCuba, he's probably the front runner to be able to win that job. You want him to throw in Andre Sam as well.

I would say McCollum is going to be in the mix, too. So all those guys, I would expect to get a fair shake. Does it look like linebacker did a year ago where, you know, it was constantly like different combinations cycling in with the first team time and time and time again? And then at the end of the day, like, oh, it turns out Zach Bond is going to be a starter. And Devin White's not going to be a little team. And then Zach Bond turns into an all pro. We didn't necessarily envision that a year ago at this time.

But I think when you're looking at it, my guess is blanket ship will be in there with the ones every single rep. And then probably next week, I would, maybe in the following days after, it's kind of like a hodgepodge rotation. And then we start to get into, all right, this is going to be the Drew McCuba day. And this is going to be the Sydney Brown day or the McCollum day or the Andre Sam day. They kind of narrow it down as you get further into training camp. And so that's my guess on how that plays out early on. Okay. So Drew McCuba is the favorite.

And we'll talk about him a little more in a second. But something that you said about Sidney Brown was interesting. I didn't necessarily notice. I didn't, you know, really understand that. Sidney Brown, you mentioned that you thought he was more of a high floor player. And you've watched him 10,000 times more than I have. So to me, though, Sydney Brown, maybe I'm just over-indexing a little bit too much on his special team's work, where he's just like his hair's on fire and he's getting in fights like every other game.

Why do you think he is mostly a higher floor player but lower ceiling player? So like the way I would describe it is because he is such a volatile player, I don't like his ceiling as a starter. I see where you're saying. But I feel good about his role as a special teamer and like backup safety. So I like his role in terms of projecting him forward and making the team. And so I guess that's kind of how I look at it is I feel great. He should be a special team's ace and backup safety. And I think that he'll be great in that role.

He should be like one of the best in the league in that role. I don't know that I can quite trust. again, especially in a safety or in a defensive scheme like Vic Fangios. To me, like that was a weak spot of his game at Illinois. And even going back to, you know, his rookie year playing in that defense, you know, I don't know that his eyes and, you know, his mental processing, all that is what you would want. Again, I played a lot of football in Illinois.

It's not like this is a one-year starter. A guy didn't play a ton. He was a four-year starter for the Illini. So this guy that's played a ton of football. It just never, like, clicked for him mentally. And so I kind of wonder, right, does he just need to be like, that heat-seeking missile, a specialty player on defense, best-case scenario, and then he can be your special team's aes. I feel good about that projection.

Okay, that's, now that you explained it, yeah, that's the vibe I got where, yeah, like, you know, some of the bad plays for him would be pretty rough, and that that does limit his, his ceiling. Okay, Drew McCuba, so that's a guy that, you know, unless you were watching a lot of Texas that a lot of Eagles fans are going to get their eyes on for the first time in training camp and I assume in the preseason had five interceptions last year from the safety position. Okay, so tell us what is he good at? What does he need to work on? Yeah, I think when you're looking at McCuba, the big thing was his ability to kind of take the football away last year. You mentioned the five interceptions. He was definitely more productive last year than he had been

the previous couple of years. He was at Clemson before that, started three years. going back to his freshman year with the Clemson Tigers. And so this guy also has played a lot of football. To me, though, the instincts, the play recognition, the zone awareness, that was a strength of McCuba's game. And that's why I felt good projecting him as a starter coming out, as opposed to Sidney Brown. So this guy's played a lot of ball.

Some of the interceptions he made, you know, we did that film breakdown, the film room session in the studio with tie hearts shortly after the draft. That was one of my favorite individual plays we watched, was an interception he made last year where, you know, it was a play, you know, not exactly like what we saw from DeGene in the Super Bowl, but akin to that where it was like, you know, he was able to overlap and, you know, jump into another area. He read the quarterback's eyes, understood where the, where they were trying to attack,

was able to get into the passing lane and then finish and then make a play on top of that. I don't think that he's got, I think, you know, there's been some talk about like his nickel flexibility. I don't necessarily see that as something that would be, you know, a, a definite transition for him moving into the NFL. there'd be a little concern on my end about him playing in the slot on an every down basis. But you know, you want to play him deep and let him patrol in that split safety scheme next to to Reed Blanketship.

I think he could be awesome. Like Sidney Brown, there is a little bit of volatility with him as a tackler. He will come down a little bit too hot, a little bit too fast and, you know, and kind of fail to break down and finish one-on-one. So there's a little bit of that with Maccuba. But again, I think that's an area where you can, you know, in theory, clean that up. It's not because he's not like a tough player or a physical player. You'd rather say like, hey, like tone it down a little bit, be a little bit more

tempered and disciplined as you go down a lot of scrimmage and then you'll make more of those tackles. You'd rather that than the other way. So, yeah, I'm excited about what Makuba can bring here this summer. Well, you got me excited just hearing that. Like if he's a smart player that kind of understands coverages and can read quarterback's eyes and knows how to work with his teammates, that seems like a perfect fit here. I guess, Fran, we haven't seen too many Eagle safety.

rookie players. I guess was Nate Allen starting his rookie year? I'm trying to think back to the last time we had like a rookie starting safety year. Sydney Brown got some starts that year. He got some at the end. Outside of that yeah, that might be

I don't think Kirk Coleman was before Nate Allen. So Kirk Coleman might be another one in that boat or no, he was the same draft as Nate, right? Yeah, I think those would be the those would be the guys. Well, the good news is that unlike those guys, they are being dropped into, I think, a better, more stable

situation, especially with the coaching and the defense. So that is good. Yeah, as far as Drew McCuba, I mean, he's a smaller player, but, you know, it seems like he had some pretty cool highlights. Like he had some pretty hard hits. So that'll be, that'll be fun to watch him play. Okay. As for the other guys, we have Trista McCollum. We have Andre Sam, like you said. we have lewisine who was you know he's part of the the philly dogs but he doesn't seem to get mentioned a lot either if that's by vicangio or some other people but you know those are other guys who could potentially be in the mix if if both sidney and macuba both falter yeah i think when you're looking at it i i mean i was i should have mentioned louis seen i'm glad you brought

him up because uh you know he certainly has the name he's got the draft pedigree um i do think it was notable that he would it seemed like he was a little bit further down the devil the chart in the spring compared to some of these other guys. You know, I know that Beau were brought up that Andre Sam was getting a look with the, you know, the first and second team. It might have just been the second team. But I think that when you're looking at all these guys, you know, Andre Sam played a lot of football, played at a couple different schools in college.

He was a six-year senior coming out, an older player, but, you know, had some corner background. So he's got some coverage flexibility. When you're looking at McCollum, a column is like, trying to think of a comparison there. it's similar to Sidney Brown and that he's got great traits. The body tips are a little different. You know, Sidney Brown is like your short,

compact, rocked up safety, whereas McCollum is like your taller, longer, range of your guy. But both guys have the physical traits you're looking for. It's more just like the mental side of it.

Now, that said, like McCollum was ahead of Sydney Brown last year. You know, they had the, Vic Fangio had the ability to play either guy and he put McCollum in.

And so I would expect that he's got the pole position on Brown as we enter camp. And so those would be the other one. I mean, I think when you're looking at scene, the big thing is like, what does he look like? You know, we're a couple of years removed now from that serious injury that basically caused his career to come to a standstill in Minnesota, former first round pick out of Georgia, you know, all the intangibles were, you know, were really, really strong when he was coming out.

What does he look like a couple of years without playing? I think that's going to be an interesting storyline. It's a little footnote to watch here as we go through the summer. Yeah. And I'm very excited to watch this secondary group. Another nice thing is that they have a lot of continuity with the coaching stamp. We mentioned this a few times during the offseason. But I think now that we get closer to the season, it feels like more and more of a win.

And that usually when you are as good as the Eagles were last year, there's a lot of brain drain, right? Where sometimes the defensive coordinator, they get plucked that happened a couple of years ago when they, when they fared well. And they frankly weren't as good of a defense back then. luckily for the Eagles, they have an old guy who nobody really wants to hire as a head coach, who's the man. But they also have young position coaches who could get, you know, a defensive coordinator job or maybe even a head coaching job at some point. And like one of the guys is Christian Parker seems like one of the more impressive guys really around the league. Like I think if there was, you know, a poll of some of the, you know, the up and coming position coaches in the league, he would certainly factor in there. But they were able to keep them.

And I'm sure that'll help with a lot of these. young players in the secondary. Yeah, Christian Parker did an outstanding job with those corners last year, getting those guys up to speed. And then you also want to give love to Joe Casper as well, the safeties coach. Yeah, who Vic Fangio brought with him. He was in Philadelphia in 22, working with Jonathan Ganon with that scheme, and then went to Miami because he was like a lower level assistant, you know, when he first got here in Philadelphia, went to Miami, worked under Fangio, was a safety's coach there, and then Fangio bought him back here. And he's coach the safeties last year and did an outstanding job of getting blanket ship and CJGJ up to speed as well in the new scheme.

So I think with both guys, two potential coordinators, you know, down the line here with both Christian Parker and with Joe Casper. It feels like Parker is probably, you know, in the driver seat there to get that kind of an interview earlier on. But, yeah, I mean, this defense, this whole defensive staff was outstanding last year and a big reason for their success. Yeah, I mean, look, the theme of, I think a lot of these defensive training camp, countdowns is they're pretty good. You know, there are going to be some question marks, right? They're going to have to figure out a couple of the positions and we talked about them today. But the base, the infrastructure, both from the talent level and the young players on this team, but also the high level of coaching and the continuity that they have with the coaching staff,

they should be pretty good. You know, year to year, we always talk about how defenses seem to be a little bit more volatile, like, and for good reason, right? Like, they don't, you know, the quarterback back position tends to be the spot where you can have success, year over year, sustained level of success. So yeah, I think they're going to be going to be fine in this spot. All right. So the, I guess this is the last weekend until we have real ball, Brent. I guess you should, you should relax. I don't know what you have, what you have planned for this weekend, but enjoy it because I think starting next week is the first practice Wednesday. First practice is Wednesday. First practice is Wednesday. You know, we've got the practice schedule. So we'll go, you kind of forget like,

oh, yeah, practices on the weekends and stuff. So it'll be, it'll be good to get back into the swing of things. Again, I'm hoping to be out there. We know Bo and Zach will be out there every single day. So I think when you're looking, you know, stay tuned right here on the channel. We'll be live every single day, bringing those practice recaps and going through exactly what everybody saw out on the practice field. So it'll be fun to get back into the rhythm, man. Like, I don't know about you. Like, I talked about this with Zach last week. I'm a creature of habit. And so while it is fun to break up like that routine,

once we get into like post draft and it's like May and June and in the early stages of July, but I love getting back into the routine. And so I am welcoming the start of training camp from that standpoint. Although I do prefer the routine of the regular season to the routine of training camp where it's a little groundhogs dayish. I do like the rhythm and the cadence of like the Monday through Sunday, the NFL season a little bit more.

Well, and especially with what we do now too, right? Like, we just need, we need new stuff to happen, regardless of if the team, like, I think the Eagles have generally become, as far as the off season is concerned, like they've become boring in all the good ways because they just have like an amazing foundation and they're going to be a good team. And there's not really a lot of volatility. We mentioned that they're just bringing their whole defensive staff back, which is crazy.

But it'll be nice to have some new stuff happen to get some practice observations, see who's some of the depth players are. Okay, so I think that about wraps it up. I believe we're getting Bo back next week. Is that what I heard? We get him back Monday. It sounds like we will, yeah, I think we're, I'm pretty sure he's back in Monday, back in the saddle.

So it will be great to get Bo back in. I don't know that he's aware of like the cult following that the Pico ad has developed because knowing Bo, like Bo has not been watching and listening to every single show. he certainly has not been like watching live and in the chat because I feel like he would make his presence known in that scenario. So yeah, I don't know that he understands like the following that has generated around the Pico ad. I'm excited to get his thoughts on the filming of the Ospreys teaser, you know, out on site there. So I'm excited to get his thoughts there. Make sure you, by the way, you can buy tickets to the Ospreys this year. It's in a couple weeks in August.

So you check out our social channels. Check out all phtly.com. You can get the date there for the Ospreys. That's going to be a blast. I will be there in attendance that night. You do not want to miss that show for certain. Right in the middle of camp. No practice that day as well.

So there's good. We're going to be nice and fresh, ready to roll for the Ospreys. So, yeah, we've got a lot to catch up with once Bo is back in here next week. Yeah, I mean, that Pico, I mean, well, talk about bang for your buck for an advertiser. I mean, wow. Honestly, like, it makes me smile every single time we run it. I told, I told Zach that what we did three takes. First take was like, all right, let's just get our, let's get our feet wet.

Let's just understand. Like, all right, here are our talking points. The second one we did. And it had like one of the best bloopers that we possibly could have had. And I've never seen Julia laugh louder than what, then, uh, than one. Wow. It was, it was a really strong one. And then, uh, so we had to throw that one away.

And then we did the final, the final cut. So, yeah, three takes, got it done. Claire in the chat is asking. Claire, you're not the first to ask if you can see the blooper. Fran, Fran, real quick. We're going to go to overtime. Over time. Yeah, I don't know that we're ever going to see that blooper.

We'll see. I mean, yeah, maybe for the Ospreys. We'll talk to Julia and see if that can get whipped together for the, for the attendants for the Ospreys. I could see the sicko community that becoming a major cause, you know. I could see like the release the Julia cut, you know, I think that could, we could see that. Maybe it does get played at the Ospreys too. Like there's a, there's always some curve balls that Bo and Julia will have for you during those

ceremony. So yeah, that'll be a lot of fun. I believe it's, it's August 6th at the Hard Rock Cafe in, in Philadelphia, taking it back. Let me ask you a question. I've been doing some of these blind rankings, surprising people. I feel like this is a good overtime discussion. Okay.

So you're aware of the, the blind. line ranking videos, right? Yes. Okay. All right. So I polished off just today. we got like a thing of spinach artichoke dip, right? And so I grabbed a few crackers.

Had it with lunch. I had a little sandwich. Did the spinach artichoke dip. I'm thinking like I like spinach and artichoke dip more than I did when I was a kid. Like for sure. That's like one of my favorite dips. So I want to do a blind ranking on you. Okay.

Dips. Are you a dip guy, number one? I'm not like a huge dip guy. but I'll dip. Let's go. Let's go. Let's do it. All right.

All right. First one thrown at you. We're going to do five. So you don't know what comes next. And you've got, the first one is guacamole. So guac. Where's guac rank for you in the dip scale? Ooh.

It's pretty high. I'm going to say two. Okay. That's a good one. Hummus. I also like that. Three. All right.

So here's my take on the first two. I can't stay. Chick-pee flavor. like anything like i am so out on garbanzo beans on uh on chickies like hummus like is it easy five for me you had you said you put it at three yep all right and guaca too i like guac i feel like guacca is like high floor capable of high ceiling uh but i feel like good for that one that would be like a rock solid three for me all right number three on this list uh ranch i'm not a big ranch guy i probably put that five yeah yeah i love ranch that's just those are my weird taste i know that that most

people probably would have ranch one i mean i know people that put ranch on everything but it's five for me all right spinach and artichoke dip so you have you have one and four you have one and four left i like spinach artichoke dip uh i guess i got to put it one mm nice all right yeah uh polar jam blue cheese my jam i'm out on blue cheese too i don't i don't like the blue dye yeah that would be low for me too as a dressing like on a salad like maybe uh but i'm not i'm not a blue cheese guy uh last one now that this is number this is going to be number four for you no matter what let's see if i chose right or wrong case so yeah i like spinach and artich choke dip better than case so yeah interesting here you go yeah i um i think okay about that yeah so you want you went spinach spinach

artichoke one guac two hummus three casso four ranch five i'd probably flip guac and and spinach and artichoke dip but i think the rest of it would be my actual good so yeah there go. All right. Well, appreciate it. Well, let's everybody, you can tune back in on Monday. I'm sure we'll talk more about dip. We'll talk more about football and we'll actually have some real training camp. So, Fran, thank you for carrying me during the show and telling me about all of these depth safety, these depth secondary players and safeties. Everybody, I hope you have a great weekend, the last weekend of no Eagles football until mid-February. Check out the

P.H.O.I. Eagle Show next week. I believe Bo is back. 2 p.m. And I will end it the way he always ends it by saying, we love you.