PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Vic Fangio says Eagles need more FOCUS from superstar DT Jalen Carter

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

No one wanted to see Jalen Carter leave the game before playing a defensive snap in the season opener, least of all Vic Fangio, who spoke Tuesday about Jordan Davis’ impressive performance, Adoree�� Jackson role, Za’Darius Smith’s introduction, Cooper DeJean’s place in the defense and more. Plus, Kevin Patullo explains why the Eagles went away from A.J. Brown. Plus, an appearance from our newest PHLY employee, the one and only Brandon Graham. Join EJ Smith and Bo Wulf for a Tuesday full of fun. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Does A.J. Brown need the ball? Is J.L. Carter going to play on Sunday in the Super Bowl rematch? And will E.J. Smith pull this knife out of my back? We'll find out next on the P. H.L.I. Eagles podcast coming at you. Welcome to the H.O.I. Eagles podcast, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, and we are presented by the good folks. The handsome, generous folks at Bet365 and Ashley. Lots of talk about on this beautiful Tuesday. A big day?

Heard from the coordinators, EJ. We are waiting word on a potential fine or suspension for Jalen Carter from the NFL. What will they do? And coming up in the middle of this show, we're going to have a little interview with our friend Brandon Graham who is launching his unblocked podcast

tomorrow at 11 o'clock. Make sure that you go to the BG unblocked YouTube page. Subscribe to that bad boy every Wednesday. Those episodes are coming. coming to you. Very excited to have BG as a co-worker of RSIJ. Yeah, but to say that's, I was waiting for you to ask me how I'm doing. I'm doing great, by the way, and mostly because I'm excited to listen to that podcast. I mean, BG, one of my favorite players I've ever covered, one of the best personalities.

You're really ever going to see in an NFL locker room. And I think he's really going to take to this podcasting post-retirement life. I think he is really kind of built for it. So I'm excited to hear for the first episode for sure. Good conversation about what happened in week one and also just like life as a newly retired guy, a father of similarly aged kids. Good, good conversation. Unblocked is such a great name, by the way. You know, I was, I made here out into an argument about how great the name is with somebody from the media court today.

Interesting. I'm not going to name names, but I feel like it's too late now. You got to give us the story. It was Elliott Shore Parks. Okay. Another initial E. Okay. And what's his objection?

He thought I oversold the name to him before it came out. I was going to love the name. The name is very good. It actually feels like the kind of name that would be up his alley. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, very true. Yeah. But I was explaining to everybody, like, it's got like a triple meaning, you know, unblocked,

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And we congratulations are also in order. Happy anniversary, EJ. Thank you. The big seven. Yeah, seven years. It really does. Like, it's everyone says like time flies, but it really does not feel like seven years. But no, you know, shout it to Julia.

What's the, what's the seven year anniversary? Do you look those out? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. So, but we don't. Water a sheep. She probably would have loved that, actually.

But yeah, I, we don't really go like, hard and fast on the on the rules i also got her like a running jacket that she was really hinting hard that she wanted she already opened it yeah yeah i would not have broadcast i was gonna say yeah you're giving it away but no seven years it's been great feel very fortunate to uh here's the seven more here's to 70 more if i make it that far i mean 70 let's do that math everything you know about me do i look like somebody who would be able to kind of navigate an everyday scenario my life without julia like hard no yeah Yeah, exactly.

So shout out to Julia. Yeah, but you take it seven out of time, you know. I'm going to take it like 40 at a time. Wow. What happened to a day at a time? Yeah, we just got to take it one day at a time. Control what we could control. All right, we will explain a little bit later how you stab me in the back on this front.

But let's get into the Eagles news here at the top, EJ. Give me your number one takeaway from speaking to Michael Clay, Vic Fin, Joe and Kevin Petulow earlier today. Yeah, I would say hearing Vic Fangio talk about the secondary was something I really wanted to hear how he felt about it. You know, Fran did a good job of maybe talking us down on Adory Jackson after the game explaining that, you know, while it didn't look great against the Cowboys, maybe some of the coverage calls weren't super helpful for Adory Jackson and that maybe the performance wasn't

as bad as we first thought that it was. So I thought we had good context about that going into this week, but hearing Vic Fangio talk about the fact that he does he he he said that he expects adory Jackson to start against the chiefs he there's not like an imminent change at that position he talked about cooper did you think he would have been do you think he would have been honest if they were going to make a change um i actually do i think that or at the very least he wouldn't have been emphatic about it he said you know the question was will adory jackson start and he said i expect him to okay um and when he talked about adory jackson's performance he really focused on the technique he said he wants him to be a

master technician and that he needs to when you said when you're not perfecting your technique against a wide receiving core like the cowboys have it can get ugly but again this stud this didn't sound like a coach that what i'm just thinking about i don't i don't think that c's get degrees squares with master technician yeah and maybe yeah those two things definitely don't if you're not much up midnight oil in the library to get that a i'm not so sure that you're going to be making sure you're a master technician a proponent of seize get degrees and a living by breathing embodiment of C's get degrees in a lot of areas. I have to say,

I understand where Adori Jackson is coming. Yeah, listen, I mean, there's a, there's a, uh, a real life balance case to be made from O'Dori Jackson's perspective for C's get degrees. I mean, he's,

he's, he's made a fine living. Uh, he's still starting, yeah, from a CTC standpoint. Think of the, um,

the amount of hours that he's been able to get back in his life by not going for that A and becoming a master technician. That's a, that's a long time to, spend however you want yeah well and honestly we'll get into this throughout the week like this isn't necessary this is not the same type of matchup for him coming into this week as last week so true yeah i'm interested to see how it plays out uh he was asked about gecori and bennett really just said he didn't have a big enough sample size to really evaluate uh and then again on cooper to gene he

does not it does not sound like he wants to move cooper to gene outside that is and again we've i just feel like that is it makes so much sense to not move him outside i think the vic fangio feels the same way. We spent a lot of time, probably too much time on yesterday's show talking about the Mike Hilton possibility.

Obviously the Eagles did not sign him or have not signed him yet. They brought in a host of veterans yesterday. So that was maybe a little bit of cart before the horse. It was also interesting. It felt like Vic was was harsher in his press conference on Drew McCuba than he was on Adori Jackson. Yes, yeah, for sure.

I actually asked him how Andrew McCuba played because... Well, because he said that the... Big J. journal over here. The plan, I mean, this isn't a hard-hitting question. You want to flex on it. Go ahead. Well, the reason I asked it was because he said that the plan, which we saw was Sydney Brown was going to be the safety in base and that Andrew McCuba was going to be the safety in nickel. He said that they played more nickel than they anticipated, which I found interesting, probably because the Cowboys. He said it turned into a three-receiver game from the Cowboys. They were in 11 personnel a lot of

the time. So that means that Drew McCuba played more of the game. And yeah, I don't. This is one where I am going to call BS. Oh, you think that they knew that it was going to be an 11 game? I mean, yeah. Yeah. What in the history of the Cowboys recently and given their personnel would possibly make you think that they're not going to lean into having, you know, C.D. Lame in the slop. Maybe they thought they could lean into base more against whatever they were running though, you know, because there is that. Maybe it's not just the personnel groupings, but the way that they, the plays that they're running out of those personnel groupings. I don't buy it. Again, Vic isn't the guy who like BS is. Well, I know, but it might, this might be a matter of degrees. I don't, I don't, I don't,

believe that he thought it was going to be close to 50-50 base nickel. Maybe not 50-50. At no point last season did we ever see that, except maybe the Saints game. I think it's fair to, I think it's fair to take him at his word that they did not expect Truman Kuba to play as much as he did. I think that's fair.

We didn't expect him to play as much as he did. Well, some of us didn't expect him to play as much as he did. Nobody expected him to be the starter, really. We argued about this last week. Yeah, but okay, but we all agreed that we thought he was Sidney Brown. Only because the injury, I think it was set to start. Vic Fangio had a real no cell. It was no ball.

You know, okay, okay. Settle down. Yeah, so he had a real no cell with Drew McCuba. He was kind of one of those like, yeah, he did fine. Yeah. And then he mentioned that he had a couple major busted coverages. So, yeah, he said he's hoping to see him improve next week. I just, I think it was interesting more because, like, we, I think most from an outside

perspective, I thought we thought Mukub was pretty solid, but it definitely sounds like they want more out of him. Which is probably reasonable and what you would expect from a guy, especially at that position making his first start. Yeah. The other big thing to come out of Vick's comments, I thought, is what did he say about the spitter? The spitter.

So he said regarding Jalen Carter, and it was Jeff McLean who wrote a story, right story last week about how Jalen Carter is kind of a tone setter for this defense and how he has to tow the line as like a nasty football player. This was before all this happened and it really has kind of come to the fore now because of what happened in the game. So Jeff followed up this week about what he had asked and Vic Fangio said like, yeah, we talked about it last week because Vic didn't agree with that that sentiment last week. Right.

He said that he doesn't really think, I don't remember the player he referenced. It's a little bit before my time, but he referenced like he doesn't think he needs to be a dirty player necessarily. Jack Lambert? No, it wasn't Jack Lambert. It's like an old-timey name, too. I'm sure somebody knows. I know.

I can't help you there. Was it Andrew Sendejo? No, I said it was before my time. Sondahe was my time. I don't know when your time is. Oh, I covered Sondayho, unfortunately, everybody. Did he also take you out at some point?

He didn't take me out, but he wasn't the most pleasant interview. I think most people would agree. You didn't think so? I thought he was a more pleasant interview than he would have been as a teammate because he just kept running into his guys. He would kill you as a teammate and he would just be snarky with you as a reporter. Yeah. Yeah. As like a rookie to the beat someday, it was kind of tough.

Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. But yeah, so anyway, Vic said regarding Carter, two things that I thought were interesting. The first one was he's got to be focused at the job at hand. All the extracurricular stuff needs to not have any importance. And then the more important thing that I thought that I took away from it, he was, later asked about Jalen Carter, like, stepping into more of a leadership role and how he, and it was kind of set up in a way that was like, can you talk about how he is embraced leadership

or, you know, kind of taken to it? And he said to be considered a leader, actions speak louder than words, and he has to speak with his actions. So, which I mean, listen, that is totally fair. Oh, it's totally fair, but it is. If you are, if you are the leader of the defense, he can't get kicked out six seconds into the game. It's just a lot different of a tenor than what we've heard from Nick Siriani when asked about Jalen Carter in any way, shape, or form where it is. Yeah, because one guy's being honest and one guy's protecting his players. Yeah.

That's just the interesting difference. Oh, for sure. And I mean, I think it is, you know, whereas Nick in his press conference yesterday was talking about all conversations with players are behind closed doors, which is totally fair. And like, I don't think that he needs to tell us exactly what his conversations were with Jalen Carter. But yeah, I mean, let's not pretend like he did the kinds of thing that like you would want your leader to do.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But to me, it speaks to like as we try to figure out how this is going to play out, whether it's league discipline or team discipline. I don't think, and Vic Fangio mentioned that this is something that goes up to Howie Roseman when it comes to team discipline. I just think it is noteworthy how Vic handled this today. Yeah. So I think that's fair.

Yeah. All right. Anything else from Vic that you want to get to? It was Conrad Doubler. Shout out to Zach Perman in the chat. Dirty player? I can't remember him. Conrad Doubler or the other guy.

Neither one. Conrad Doubler is definitely before my time, but probably an incidentally... I think both of them are dirty player. In a way that that's true. will concede that to you. That is very true there, but before my time here. All right, you want to go here? Yeah, let's just do it. Yeah, let's just get this out of the way. Listen, it's your anniversary.

And this starts, by the way, with a text like, hey, just so you know, I can't afford to hang around after the show tomorrow. I didn't say it. I'm going to dinner. Like, oh, don't let me hold you up with a casual conversation when the show is over, I meant more like work stuff. Like, if we had something after today, this is the one day I can't make that work. okay like I've got dinner oh big big big got friends guy over here and he said oh no it's it's my anniversary

it's like oh where you going and you said where you're going and then you said it was a recommendation from someone else someone who doesn't even live in the city I like where why don't you come to me with this recommendation request because this was for the listeners who maybe aren't clear why Bo is not referencing it this was Zach Berman and Zach Berman please is 100% of all I don't know who we're talking about

so why would you ask a total stranger and second of all you then inform me that this person doesn't even live in Philadelphia well ZB is 100% on restaurant recommendations and I think he takes some like personal in a way that's very helpful for someone I don't know he like I think he really like internalizes like I got to find the right spot so

as if I wouldn't try to give you a good recommendation okay okay I'm sure you would have been great I just I got a history with this guy whatever speaking of litigating things here i do have one more note from vik fancio okay well zedaria smith he didn't say very much that that's not really what i'm here for he had a quote about one forced fumble from jihad gamble he says i don't know who and who they ended up giving that to campbell if i if i think if it was a sack they would have had it but they did not have it bow half it

they gave that to Jihad Campbell and it is time well come on to crown me no no no no Swipper champion of the week you don't know that you're you're totally getting the beats of the week wrong

we gotta we're gonna get to this when we do super on Thursday we got to give the league two more days to be able to change that oh give it all the time you just now you're just stalling I'm not stalling that's when we do we review it when we when we do

the next super Some people are familiar with the show Others just need to go ask other people Where do I get to? You know, like where should I go to dinner? I will listen again, I bet you this place tonight is great And it's going to kill you that he gave me a good recommendation It's not going to kill me

It's a very down-the-middle recommendation From somebody who probably doesn't know Cool new spots This is an old hat recommendation If I didn't want a cool new spot I wanted somewhere for the occasion And there are better places for that too Oh, no, come on, come on

Now you're just hating And you guys said, oh, we gotta wait till Monday To talk about Sluper because Oh, Byron Young was in there too They usually change that on Monday Still Jod Campbell We'll see. We'll see when we get to Swoper

I mean, Fran is not here to defend himself Don't be don't be fair Fran is here to defend himself Fran is actually here in the chat Oh, hang on He says, you said let's wait until Monday and fantasy providers typically post final staff corrections for the previous week's games on Thursday morning

while most corrections happen by the end of Wednesday or early Thursday. I feel like you guys are moving the goalposts on me here. There's no goalposts to be moved. It's just, I'm here. It's just that's how it works. We'll see. Feeling pretty good about it. How nice for you.

Oh, man. He did have. have an interesting note about Jordan Davis, McFan Gio. He said that he does not think that he could have played that many snaps this time last year or last year at any point. And then he said as well, at least, meaning like, you know, if I needed to, if I needed this corpse on the field,

I could put it out there, but yeah, probably not as well. Yeah, I thought it's fair. Do you do you think the the lightning delay, like he gets, he should get credit for that or like, we should take away credit because he had a breather? It certainly helped, but I don't know,

to France's point, like he played well throughout the games. So even before the lighting delay, playing well. Maybe if he had worn down in that fourth quarter, like if we see him wear down in fourth quarters in the future, that will be instructive. But they're not really going to ask him to play probably that many snaps because of Jalen Carter's. I mean, you presume that he won't be absent.

We'll see what happens here. Yeah, what do you think? I mean, I feel like it's weird that we haven't gotten word yet. And also, I feel like if they were going to suspend him, suspend him, it would have had to happen sooner. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you, if you were going to suspend him, you would get it done early so that the appeal can get done early. Like, you'd want to get it out there as quickly as possible. I mean, I still, I've maintained this whole time.

I'd be surprised if he got suspended. I think a hefty fine makes a lot of sense at this point. I think. How hefty? I mean, I don't really know what a hefty fine looks like. Hefty. Like, 500? I don't know the precedent for the fine.

Yeah, I don't have a good. I have a good feel for it. I think it'll be fine, no pun intended, from whatever it is, if it is financial. And then we were having a conversation at the media house about like the team side of things. And if they would have a punishment for him, maybe like, I mean, we saw, you know, miss a series last year. I don't remember which game. I should have looked that up. But they, he missed a series last year.

That's right. For being late to a meeting. Maybe something like that. But I'd be surprised if it was anything that had a. significant impact on their ability to win the game. I feel like at some point the, like the importance of the game takes precedent over like the importance of sending a message to Jalen Carter. Yeah, I think I agree.

I could see the team finding him. Sure. Yeah, adding on top of the league fine. But yeah, for that, like, what are they going to do, sit him for a series or something like that? I think that's the most we'd be talking about. I'd be really surprised if it was like, oh, he's not playing the first half. Like it's just you don't see that stuff in the NFL That's like a college thing and I don't know if you saw

Nick Seriani's comments on WIP earlier this morning where he talked about like His it's his I don't have the direct quote but it's like he basically said it's my job to win football games But also my job to like help these young men grow into you know Like adults or something like that to that extent and it's like that feels more like a college Yeah, I actually don't love that Yeah So I don't know I'll be interested to see how they handle it I'd be surprised if the team said the least

league didn't suspend you, but we aren't playing you for a half. Yeah, I don't think there's any chance. I feel like, you know, it'll be funny if he plays like 90% of the snaps. And then on the 10% that he's not, like Nick walks over, is like, this is why you're not off the field. Like, just in the middle of the game. Yeah, I just, I'm surprised that we haven't gotten anything yet. Yeah, it is weird.

I really thought. And I'm like talking myself in circles because now I feel like if it, if it hasn't come in, maybe it's because they know it's going to be a big deal. and there's a back and forth with the league and the team. Now, if they do announce like a one game suspension, I would imagine that Jalen Carter

can just appeal that to play this week and you would rather him play this week if it's too late in the week, you probably do let it drag into the weekend. So that's why if it were a suspension, you feel like it would have happened sooner. And I get, I mean, again, we've talked about this, but I do feel like the, the DAC part of it

kind of lets Jayley- off the suspension hook. I think it softens it. Yeah. I don't know if like we're talking about the difference between a suspension and not a suspension, but I do think like the, the leverage that the league had to really make an example out of him.

I think that the fact that Dax spit in his direction, listen, we're not excusing like the spit. Like I think we've been pretty clear that that is something that stands on its own is an unacceptable thing. I'm not excusing the spit, but I do think, but here we go.

Well, I just, I do think that like, the idea that like he, shot a gun at him or something like oh my god you can't do that at least you'd be kicked out of the league like calm down yeah i i thought i found like i was i was thinking about i'm ever watched a football game before yeah i was thinking about this over the weekend like miles garrett swung a helmet at a guy's head's way worse and domicant sue has stomped on people before and none of these things are acceptable but we have seen things like this on a football field like to pretend that we haven't seen

things like this on a football field is my wife said this is one of my favorite expressions intellectually dishonest. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Now, then again, this is coming from, you know, the guy who's in charge of the league who, like, doesn't think we can mention the fact that wet dreams exist in front of women, like, God forbid.

Give me a break. These prudes in the league office, these Puritans, like, this is football we're talking about. You're going to play the song? I'm going to direct everybody to the song. I dreamed wet dreams. Google it on YouTube. The greatest vocal performance of my lifetime. It was a very good vocal performance.

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no targets for AJ Brown until the final two minutes of the game in Week one, what did Kevin Petulow, the offensive coordinator, say about the Eagles need to get the ball into A.J. Brown's hands. Yep, yeah, I've got two quotes from Kevin Petulow on this topic. He says, when you game plan, obviously the number one guy going in is going to be A.J. Devonte in Dallas, which three number one guys. Come on. The number one guy is going to be three guys. I listen.

I transcribe this verbatim. I promise this isn't my favorite. I'm going to lose 16 games in a row. in the past game those guys are going to get the targets going in we had a fair share of things that were going to go to him as the primary sometimes games play out like that and that's kind of how it was we don't want to ever force it he said later it's one of those games where you're trying not to force it and you're staying productive and staying on track those guys understand so essentially my read on what kevin petulow said today is that they did have the section on the call sheet that has 11 on it and there are plays that they draw up for eight and AJ and the Cowboys did a good job taking those away. And it does seem like they kind of got away from trying to run those plays because they of the way the Cowboys were playing them defensively. I also think what is underrated here is, you know, he says those three guys, Devante

Smith had three targets. Yeah. Three catches for 16 yards. So it's not like, you know, it would be a different story if AJ didn't have any targets, but Devante had this monster game. This was a, you know, this was a game in which the Eagles only threw. for 152 yards for all the reasons that you're talking about but it was mostly goddard and then the big play to dotson so listen i think there is a difference at this point between it is hard after week

one this is all we've ever seen from this team this season there's a difference between okay this is maybe what they're going to be like this year versus this is one game out of 17 and we got to just remember that like you know if we were analyzing the week 10 game like it was the only game of the season things would you would feel silly yeah i completely I completely agree. I feel like if you're giving me like a something or nothing, like nothing is zero, something is 10. I'm at like a three with this. There are things that we saw from the Eagles offense that I actually am more. And there are concerns. They had a really good game. I think that we sort of lose side of that. Especially you think about the limited possessions. Sure. The way that Jalen Hertz looked like the scheme itself, I think that there, it's fair to say that there are some, there are some things that are left to be desired. But if you just look at the way that the game played out and the results from the game, I don't think that. we need to spend too much time being overly concerned about most of these aspects. And the AJ target the side of this, I think, like, I completely agree with you. This is, if you're telling me this is what it looks like three weeks from now, then we can have a

conversation. Sure. I do think that there, I actually do agree with the argument, though. At some point, you manufacture a touch for AJ Brown, even if it is just like a bubble screen. He's a type of player that you make those exceptions for, or not even an exception. He's a type of player that you just want the ball in his hands. And I think... And Petulah sort of bristled at that notion, right?

Yeah, he definitely said, like, that was when he said, he was asked about that when he said, we don't want to, we don't ever want to force it. And I think the sentiment from Petulow today was that the offense was efficient and that there really wasn't a need to go away from what was keeping them efficient. So it was definitely a limited scope in terms of, like,

the passing chart from Jalen Hertz that has kind of been weaponized on social media and the lack of targets for AJ Brown and DeVante Smith. But I do, I understand the push-pulling nature of it and that is where we only have the one game to go off of. We spend so much time analyzing this very limited sample set. Like, we can overstate some of these things because if AJ and Devante each have 10 targets against the Chiefs, now this conversation doesn't feel the same way. So I think it's a limited sample size. It's something that I think there are fair

criticisms to take from it, but I also think we can overstate it because it is just the one game. And I, but I also think, I mean, we talked about it afterwards watching the tape. Like, I don't, I don't think that AJ looked 100%. Yeah, no, and I mean, and again, I... It's not like there were turn downs there were turn downs there. Now, this goes to your point about... I think there was a fair criticism of the Eagles offense. That is, we just lean into the fact that we have better talent than you,

and we're going to win these one-on-one matchups, and there are not always enough easy buttons. Yeah, it's simple to its own detriment and also to its own benefit. It's like there's, it's a double-edged sword how simplified the Eagles offense can be at times and we can get into why it is that way. It's been that way for a while. But when you have players like that, you can afford to be simple most of the time. You can be as simple as like we talk about easy buttons.

The easy button for the Eagles offense has often been AJ Brown's slant route on third and five. Like that is just the play that you know it's always there. It's, you know, it's the, the benefit of having a player like AJ Brown afford you that. But you do see other offenses across the NFL that have to make, uh, what's the expression? that it's a lewd expression, chicken stuff out of chicken salad. Oh, okay. Like, or chicken salad out of chicken stuff? You think it's lewd?

I mean, it's, well, lewd, yeah, it's crude. I feel like lewd. Crude is better, yeah. Yeah, crude versus lewd. Yeah, I mean, listen. Yeah, I think lewd is more sexual. Yeah, I would agree with that. Lude is the I dream what dream song.

Crude is just like simple and inappropriate, which that expression is. So, but again, let us know in the comments. Are you team crude or team? lewd what do you prefer crude or lewd hashtag crude or lewd i hope that hashtag catches on that's pretty good uh but you do see offenses across the nuffles lewd nichols that don't have as much talent as the eagles offense that have to get more creative seven the floor crude they have to get more i'm trying to stay on track there they have to get more creative than the eagles have to get um so for that reason maybe they aren't as there aren't as many levers to pull when it comes to

need to get the ball to AJ in space as an offense that does have maybe one of those guys that they have to figure out ways. So I think it is a fair observation to make from the first game. But again, let's revisit this in a couple weeks. There are things about the Eagles offense I do feel more strongly about, like not concerns, but again, things that I would like to see more of, this isn't necessarily one of them as crazy as that might sound. Well, what is it?

Good tease. Or you want to save this. You want to tease this. No, let's do it. Let's do it. So the use of heavy personnel packages and condensed sets against the Cowboys, I thought it was interesting that Kevin Petullo said that the opening drive was not scripted. Like it seemed to us that he had it.

He'd come out with a plan. Like we're going to do these heavy condensed sets, two tight ends, three tight ends. We're going to get fullbacks on the field. We're going to load up the box. We're going to run at them. And then we're going to take shots. It felt like a real, like it felt like a very organized plan. It looked like an opening script.

I feel like when he says it's not scripted. I feel like there's an in-between here where it's like we weren't going necessarily sequentially in this order. Yeah, I think we had a package of plays that we wanted to get to because, you know, there are some plays where like very clearly one play is working off the other. Yeah, well, he mentioned that they were trying to challenge the Cowboys into doing some things defensively. I think Fran would probably have some good, some good insight onto what they might have been

challenging the Cowboys defense to do. It did seem like they were, again, it seemed like they were. again, it seemed like they were daring them to do something with those heavy condensed sets. I want to see the Eagles lean into those. I want to see the Eagles. We've talked about like the adding the six offensive linemen having a dirty work tight end. I feel like those things. Yeah, I knew we were going to get to this.

Jack Stoll signed to the Saints active roster today. Feels to me like somebody was trying to post that bad boy. I mean, it would have made a lot of sense. Yeah. So I want to see them lean into this. And I like I just, there's been a lot of discourse about like the loaded box, you know, the loaded boxes that the Eagles have run into. Yeah.

And I do think that that lacks some context about if you're going to come out in heavy sets, you're going to come out in condensed sets. You have more players in the box. So the other, the defense is also going to have more players into the box. This is something that Professor Salman has talked to a lot of us about. So, you know, not to say that we are the only enlightened ones, but, you know, he has made that point. And it's a good one to remember when you think about, okay, like, why did the Eagles run into so many loaded boxes?

It's because they were in heavy sets. And Kevin Matillo was asked about that. And he said that they ran into heavy. they didn't run into as many heavy boxes as that stat might indicate, but they also didn't block well when they did have to run against heavy boxes, which speaks to the second and third tight end being Kylan Granson and Grant-Ca-Kla-Kle-Tara. It speaks to the fact that they aren't really getting the traction they need out of those sets. I think those sets are a good idea for the team the Eagles want to be.

I just think they have to figure out how to actually lean into that, because I think it is something that they can major in. Can I push back? Sure. Why do they need to do that? Because it plays a- Why can't they just run out of 11? That's fair.

Yeah, especially with the wide receivers that they have and the willingness that they show to block. I think it is an interesting... Don't want to spread the defense out and then run at them? If it comes at the expense of... So you're basically like saying,

swing the other way, where it's like you play... You basically want to run out of 11. You want to be the best team running out of 11. That's what they did in 22. And dare teams to have... Dare teams to play their base defense or at least drop a safety into the box

against 11. I think you can reverse engineer it the other way where you have a condensed heavy set with two tight ends, one of which is going to be an absolute demon in the run game. And then teams have to match up with their base defense. Teams have to drop a safety into the box. And I guess like the counterpoint to what I'm arguing for is we haven't seen the Eagles past game really leverage that. We haven't seen them be able to go, okay, we got you in 12. We got you in 13 or we're in 12 or 13. We got you into your base defense. Now we're going to take shots over the top. We're going to take shots downfield.

We haven't seen that as much. But I do. Do think that, like, you could make, and I would make a real argument that the best version of the Seagulls offense could be that, especially because if they ever do unlock running into those looks, like, you can see the upside there. I just think I would rather have Jahan Dots on the field than Grand Calcutera probably. And versus another, you know, a nickel on the field. I don't disagree that their personnel doesn't match up with this right now. I would agree with that. I'm an old head. I've been around longer than you.

I've seen the 12 personnel fascination come and go, the cycle. I just, I don't, unless it didn't do it perfectly fits. I just, I don't need it. I mean, yeah, it has to be an ideal fit. You've got Jalen Hertz. So spreading the field in theory is opening things up for him to scramble to. I mean, run game is still there in a, in a heavy, in those heavy and condensed looks. I am, I am, I am very bored by 12 and 13 personnel.

What do you mean? I mean, I feel like 11 is the popularized thing at this point. Yeah, that's, that's football to me right now. I don't know. I just, there's a concussion uncle part of me, sure. You know. Yeah, I mean, there was some like fascination of like, what if you could get Jalen Carter in the backfield and Fred Johnson at tight end?

I just, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that's, I don't think they need that for Sequin Barka to have a great season. And I don't, I don't think it's giving them that much of an edge. Yeah, I think, well, it didn't give them an edge against the Cowboys. But I think it's because they haven't truly leaned into it. And I guess that. no matter which side of the argument you come down on, like doing the half measure isn't really ideal.

Like we saw that the run game didn't work with these, with the looks that they, some of those heavy and condensed looks, it didn't really work the way that they anticipated it too. Yeah, no doubt. And I do agree with what you and Fran especially have been pounding, which is if we're going to do that, let's just bring that the sixth offensive line on the field.

I think that maybe... Let's throw Fred Johnson the ball, please. Maybe it's just like a football nerd side of me, but I think that there is like a way that this could look that would be very fun and very effective. Okay. But I concede to your point that like their best players aren't, it's not a 13 personnel offense.

If you want to get AJ Devante and Jahan Dotson on the field, then yeah, and I think at that point the onus does fall on Dallas Goddard being the run blocker that he has been at times in his career. Oh, shout out to Danes. Vailed shot. And then on the loaded box thing, I'm with you. And it, you know,

the loaded box, in theory is shorthand for when you have a numbers disadvantage, when the whole point is when you have a numbers. So I kind of feel like the advanced services should be able to just count the people in the box. Yeah, I think that would be the ideal way of, you know, yeah, that would be the ideal way of that. Instead of saying when you're loading into a percentage of times running into a loaded box, how about just percentage of times running into a negative numbers advantage? Right.

Yeah. And I think the Eagles would, I think that that game specifically, would not have been as staggering if that were the case, but there would be a lot of times where it is staggering because of the fact that Seekwant's got that gravity. All right. Time to take our next commercial break. And on the other side,

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I don't think I found that. If you have an itch back there yet, you got to take care of that. But do you ever use like a, you know, a handheld back scratcher? No. I've always thought that those are really like hokey. Like, come on. You can't scratch your own back. I've got bad mobility too, but you can get all.

You can get all of your back. You can cover that whole thing. Well, I got it. let's just say this. I've got really bad mobility. Like, it's like actually I'm like worried about how tight my shoulders are at this point in my life. Okay.

So I'm trying to run it. Rub it up against a wall if you have a scratch. What animal does that? Is that an elephant that does the bear? There's a lot of animals. Bear for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, if I ever needed that, but. Yeah, you just deal with it. Suck it up. A tough guy over there. No, it's last forever. Now, will you give a back scratch? Oh, it's my anniversary, so I probably shouldn't lie on the podcast. I'm not really one to like do a lot of that type of stuff.

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You're trying to figure out how to make this terrible. You're like, you're like, no. You're like, I'm actually trying to figure out how to drive me into the gutter. Because there are a lot of natural follow-ups. I'm actually trying not to go there. Is Julia more touchy-feeling? Yes, very much so. Okay.

It's something, yeah. You got to match her love language. I try. Yeah, I'm not. That's not my love language. What do you just pounding out a news style article about how happy you are to see here every day? No, that's not it. What's that acts of service?

I don't know. I'm a quality time guy. I'm a quality time is the love language in my opinion. Okay. God like spending time with the person. Well, sure. But that's, I feel like that's table stakes.

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we do like the mundane stuff that you don't have to do together. We just do it together. Okay. And like, you've ridiculed me before. Meanwhile, she's just waiting there, waiting for somebody to,

like, scratch her head. Yeah. But no, like you've made fun of me before. But if we go on a road trip, we're driving six hours, we don't turn the radio on. That is impressive. Yeah. Quality time. Okay.

All right. Speaking of quality time, I had a lot of quality time earlier today with Brandon Graham as we went through the Brandon Graham unblocked podcast here on PHOI. And afterwards, we had an extended conversation about the game to come on Sunday with the Kansas City Chiefs and also just a little. taste of what is to come tomorrow. The show premieres 11 o'clock on the unblocked YouTube channel. Make sure that you subscribe to that so you know when it comes out. Comment and all that good stuff. We need that algorithm boosted people, okay?

But until then, here's a little snippet of Brandon Graham joining our show, the P.H. Y. Eagles podcast. All right, we're back on the P.H.O.I. Eagle Show, live from the set of Brandon Graham's unblocked podcast, B.G. We just wrapped the first episode. How are you feeling? Man, I'm feeling good. I feel like we did a really good job, man.

Looking forward to everybody getting to watch that and listen to it. It's going to debut Wednesday at 11 o'clock. Make sure that you are subscribing to the YouTube channel. Make sure that you are following the social medias at BG unblocked. But let's go a little bit beyond what we talked about on the show today. I want to ask you about, obviously, we got the Super Bowl rematch on Sunday with the Chiefs, BG. What is, when Vic is game planning and putting the game plan in, What does he like?

Oh, he liked keeping it simple. Okay. On top of just knowing the more concepts that they run as far as, okay, he want to get this person to ball, but they got similar plays out of different, out of similar formations. Okay. Different formations, but they run similar plays. And, you know, it's all about confusion with some teams. And with this one, it's a good one right here with Coach Reed,

because he's definitely going to try to establish a run. and I can hear Vic talking about that, then making sure that he making everything almost look the same, but then run different things out of it. That Super Bowl game plan, as you guys went through that, was that a simpler game plan than a usual week, or was it a more complicated one? I think we can, it wasn't complicated,

it was more about you knew how he's trying to, how they're trying to call the game. Okay. And when you can hear, and when you know how they're trying to call the game and then you know certain things, like, because they like RPO, a lot where they fake in the run.

He got two options. He either give it on the run or throw it out to the receiver. And you can see from the first play when they did it, we ended up batting it down, but everybody has to do their job. You can't get your eyes seeing everything. And so I think that coach definitely do a great job putting up the game plan. Of course, he's going to have some bad cause in there sometimes, but for the most part, he's all about.

the X and knows and about the scheme. Some different pieces. Obviously, you're not there. But, you know, there's the cornerback rotation that we've got on the other side. Yeah. They're probably not going to have Xavier worthy, but do you expect it to be kind of a similar game plan for the Eagles? I think, I think it's more about stopping Pacheco because it'll be, it'll be.

He's healthier. Yeah, he's healthier. And we didn't see him. We didn't see him much in a Super Bowl game. It was more about passing. I think they was trying to pass more in that game. But, uh, Well, because you were, you guys were up a lot of points.

We was ready for that one, but I know this time around there probably try to establish the run. We got to make sure that we're stopping them. And they have a bunch of good gap schemes. They have a gap running scheme. So I think Vic will have those, have it down and make some good cause, but we got to make the place. Another thing I want to ask you about, which we did not talk about on this week's podcast, was Jordan Davis's performance in week one. first of all, I mean, played a lot of snaps, which, like, people didn't know that he could do.

And, you know, Fran Duffy broke it down. He thinks that was probably the best game of JD's career. Did it look like that to you? It did. It did. He was everywhere. I mean, I wish he could have got that sacked at one. He was running after him on.

But, Doc was a little slippery. I know all about it. Dak is a really good quarterback, man. We got much respect for him. But Jordan definitely put on the show this game. If he was just looking at his film and how he was handling blocks and all that stuff. So I just, I can't wait to see him get better and better.

Why do you think it is that defensive tackle in particular is a position that often takes a long time to develop? Well, I think you got a guy like who came in right away, like Aaron Donald just shot, shine right off the rip. Sometimes it takes, it's a hallfamer. Yeah, yeah. It's a big adjustment. It's a big adjustment from what you used to doing,

especially if you're in a different scheme than what you used to doing because he was a two-gap player. Now you ask him to go, go, go. And now I think that he's got a little bit of both now. And it's just from reps after reps and learning the new scheme and learning how coaches wanted to look on film. And then still play within your game.

And I really feel like JD has adjusted well and I'm glad he had time to do it. The fitness stuff, the stamina stuff, is that something that you feel like? like you have seen him take pride in improving? I think he has. I think he has. He came in right away looking good,

and you want to make sure when you do lose that type of weight that you're not losing strength. And I don't see that at all. And if anything, I feel like he's able to go a lot longer because of not having all the extra weight. I know all about it when I don't have the extra weight, but it ain't always easy. When you watch this game,

I'm sure it's funny because most of the guys on defense, like you played with your teammates with what is it like for you watching like jihad Campbell play his first game or drew macuba play his first game these guys who you haven't been through the battle with it just bring back those memories of me just trying to let the guys know that they can trust me

and they can uh that i can be accountable that i'm gonna be I'm gonna hold myself accountable but I'm gonna help this team uh helped this team win in a big way and by making my plays when they come to me and that's what I see Jihad did when he came out there

uh both both for the brookies had a play where they both tackled the guy at the same time. I was like, man, it's for years to come. You always can kind of see that. And them boys just got an act to get into the ball, and I'm excited for them. Eagles made an addition

on the edge in Zadariah Smith. What do you know about him? And do you think that they need an extra guy there to just sort of take some snaps away from Nolan and Jalick? Yeah, yeah. You definitely need to take something away right now, only because it's a long season. 50-some snaps in the game.

that's going to hurt you a little bit if you keep it up after a while. But I think that Zadarius has definitely come in as a leader, somebody that they can still probably get a bunch of snaps out of. And I'm sure he's trying to get his sacks up this year, trying to get to the Pro Bowl, trying to have some personal things. And I feel like he'll do a great job with this group. Now, you got to be in the stadium for the first game.

I imagine you're not going to Kansas City, right? Oh, yeah. We ain't doing nothing. What are you going to, like, what's your game day setup going to be like? My game day setup is probably some nice, nice food trays, probably some, some good, some good hoagies or some, some, some, what's your go-to? Chicken color. Oh, yeah, yeah. I got to get you to Farina DeVita.

That's my favorite chicken color in the city. Okay. Farina DeVita, okay. No free advertising, but ain't, I got to tell the truth. Yeah, I like it. Hey, I understand that. Hey, I know. I've heard of it, but I'm glad now I know.

Okay. Well, I feel like that's good. I'm excited. We've got a long way to go. Yep. On the BG show, but we are very excited to have you here in our PHLY Studios doing this all season long. I think everybody's going to have a lot of fun getting to know, I mean, everybody knows you, but getting to know you a little bit more and getting your perspective on the season on a team that you know so well. Yes.

I appreciate y'all, man, because this has been going to ride so far and can't wait to see what you. to future hope. All right. Well, we got much more to come with BG throughout the year, not only on the Brandon Graham show, but also on the PHLY Eagles podcast. So, stay tuned for more on this episode of the pHL by Eagles podcast, back with more on the other side. I like the shot. Yeah. The shot of BG. It's a little different in that studio. I love that shot. Yeah, honestly, it was a great conversation. I'm really excited to hear this first episode in full, but I don't know. I can tell that you guys, you've been around each other a long time, you have got a comfortability around each other.

But that's the thing. He's comfortable with everybody. Yeah, but no, don't tell yourself short. I think you can tell that he is a little bit more laid back with you. I know, like, I don't know. I just, he didn't feel like, oh, like, you know, I didn't feel stiff. Yeah. You know, and I feel like I've seen him in those settings before.

It'd be that way. Funny, I remember being there the day that he was drafted. I was still an intern at Philadelphia Eagles.com. Rachel, my wife, then girlfriend, was watching, like, the Philadelphia Eagles live stream from Japan. We've all come a long way since then. I'd say flex. Why is that a flex?

Being in Japan. She was teaching English. It's even more of flex. It's a cool job. It's a cool flex. I agree with that. One of the best trips I've ever had is going to visit. Brian Graham,

let you around his wife. That's like, that's how you know that he trusts you. Man, that was another fun day. Yeah. No, you've, I mean, a few people can say they've covered his career the way that you have. And now I'm excited to see where this podcast goes. Yeah. should be a lot of fun I look forward to it so remember 11 o'clock tomorrow that bad

boy drops on the Brandon Graham unblocked YouTube channel and also follow BG underscore unblocked on all the social medias we'll have plenty of clips coming your way on Instagram and stuff like that you see the comment in the chat about you making millionaires and billionaires comfortable shout out to Chase Daniel Plainview I am not making any billionaires comfortable at CDP how dare you oh is he CDP I mean that CDP Chase Daniel I'm playing with you. Yeah, you've referenced CDP before.

I'm still learning the names in the chat. Give me some time. I'll be, I'll get there. Okay. Be better tomorrow. What else did you want to talk about? I wanted to ask you,

we've talked a lot about the Zegals Cowboys game. And BJ Ask you, what's bringing fullbacks back in? Is that before your time? No, that one, that is definitely before my time. I'm not familiar.

But, you know, I have been kind of the concussion uncle today. Yeah. Let's get these condensed sets. Three tight ends. Let's run it down their throats. But no, I wanted to ask you, I want to turn it to the Chiefs at the end of the show.

I want to start to think about this matchup. Did you see really quick side note? Did you see that the Chief's social media team put out like a, we meet again, picture of Patrick Mahomes and Janet Hertz? No. After the Super Bowl. I do think like, I mean, I think the Chiefs fans have probably been talking about this one a lot the last few days. So it's about time we get around to actually talking about the matchup. What is one thing that you want to see from the Eagles?

in this rematch against the Chiefs. I can go first if you want some time. I mean, aside from the obvious of like get the ball to AJ Brown and Devante Smith. Yeah, no, don't take mine. Maybe I should go first. Okay, go ahead. I would like to see some pressure or some meaningful pressure, some sack production. You think about that Super Bowl matchup,

you think about how dominant the defensive line was in that game, and then you think about, you know, Brandon Graham mentioned it, that DAC was a little slippery, wasn't easy to get down. Yeah. And just like the visual of Patrick Mahomes, like trucking people on the sideline, like, you know, playing with that attitude and kind of of taking advantage of the rules of the game a little bit.

I think the Eagles defensive line needs to show up in this game. We, and I think it will be instructive also. Obviously, like, there is just like the entertainment value of like seeing the pass rush get home against Patrick Mahomes in particular. But there is also just like, again, it will be instructive in against quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes. You need to be able to generate pressure with your defensive front without borrowing. from the coverage.

You need to be able to have Zach Bond chasing guys, Travis Kelsey, in the middle of the field. You need to be able to let Jehad Campbell drop. Being able to get pressure with those guys up front, it will be really interesting to see how they are able to do that, if they are able to do that. And really, especially if Zadaria Smith factors into that. You think Zadiris Smith will have a big role,

week one? Vic Fangio didn't say very much about it. He said, like, they need to see him. So I don't think so. I feel like the play usually is to slow play these guys, get them a couple snaps, get them integrated into the scheme. So I think it will be a lot of Nolan Smith and Jalick's hunt.

But again, I think that those guys, they had good games against them a couple months ago. And yeah, where do you, where do you think, where do you hope that the pressure comes from? It's got to be the interior guys, right? If Jalen Carter plays in this game like we expect them to, I think he's going to obviously be a big story coming into this game. And I could see him having a good game, you know, especially like you think about the chief's offensive line. You only have like two or three spots that you feel really good about. Like I think Carter can be the person to draw that attention Create a one-on-ones for other people

But at the same time, I think that Carter needs to be able to win Even through some of those matchups. So yeah, I think it'll be a really interesting Like a chest game on the interior there. The question heading to the Super Bowl was do the chiefs go, Okay, we've got Trey Smith. Yeah, we're going to just let him try to handle Jalen Carter one-on-one

And then double team the other guy Or do we really roll attention to Jalen Carter and let somebody else try to handle the second defensive tackle. They went the former. It didn't work out. Like, Jaylen Carter just won that matchup.

Right. We'll see how it goes this time. Yeah. What I would like to see is Jalen Carter waiting until the last play of the game to spit on Patrick Mahomes instead of doing it on the first play. I don't think the Eagles want to see that at all. And also T. Dutton, I mean, I didn't say OJMO was going to have 10 plus sats.

I never said that. No, you said 15. No, I said that Milton Williams had five in the regular season. said the bar is probal. And you said that the Cowboys were in the NFC Championship game. If we're going to play that game, then we could play that game. I said over seven and a half.

I said over five sacks for Morrow Jomo. And I feel fine about that. I'm not worried in the slightest, but you said a bad year for Morrow Ojimo would be an improvement on Milton Williams from last year. I did not say that. And I'm learning this reframing game. And I just got to tell you,

like, you, you might create a monster here. Oh, man. So what do you want to see? I'll tell you what I want to see in overtime. Honestly, I want to see something creative in the passing game. Yeah. That's what I want to see.

I want to see a couple things schemed up to get Devante Smith or AJ Brown open. And that feels like a very low bar. But I don't know. I'm a little bit like, keep holding your breath. like yeah yeah but i'm not asking for every play give me like three plays or i'm like oh okay that was nice if they ran the double post with a j in that spot that jahan dotson was in against the cowboys is that does that count for you i don't know i would have to see it well just imagine that it was a jane dotson would that have felt like okay they you know what that that's that's a fair point because

there there should be credit to like running that play to john dotson was a bit against type and probably and probably helped not bring quite so much attention to it. This is like, I mean, we've had a nuanced conversation about it, but this has to be a very nuanced conversation about the way the offense looks like they played well. It's not like we said they didn't play well, but there just feels like there's another level. I guess that's the best way to describe it. It's like the amount of talent they have, it does feel like there is more for them to do.

I see Zero in the chat saying that he would like to see Jalen Carter coming out in some kind of Hannibal Lecter mask. and I do I do think it would be fun for Jalen Carter to lean into it a little bit Of course he's not going to And the Eagles would be furious at him

But I think it would be funny If he like You know Had like duct tape over his mouth Or something like that I think that would be funny I mean yeah I think everybody's taking this whole thing

A little bit too seriously Yeah I think we've done a good job On the show Like not Blowing this out of proportion It's a thing that deserve To get him kicked out of the game Probably a fine

And that's it he didn't stomp on the guy you know there like there are way worse things that he could have done yeah like I said I feel like we've seen worse things on a football field but yeah they are all deservedly ejectable offenses but yeah there have been elements to the story that have surprised me like how furious the league is that this happened on a national stage and I mean it is it is very funny that it was the first thing

that happened in the entire NFL season well Ben van Sumer and being injured is really the first thing tough Yeah. What do you expect a roster-wise move for the Eagles to clear space for your boy, bang Tigsby? I think you nailed it yesterday. I think Will Shipley on IR makes sense. So, yeah. But that doesn't like, then why are them going through so much effort to say,

he is a kick returner. Yeah. And I'm not even, we don't even think he's a running back. I'm glad you brought this up because I did want to clarify something. Like, I wasn't saying that my opinion was that he has, like, chooses a kick return yesterday.

This is like, I'm just conveying to you, like, the messaging I'm hearing. what I'm hearing. Yeah. So yeah, and even Michael Clay talked about that today. Like it is a limited sample size.

It sounds like they watched the very limited sample size that he had and thought that he had upside because of it. And I think that does factor into it. But yeah, I agree. It's like what they gave up for him and then the Will Shipley injury factoring in as well. I do think that he, I mean,

obviously they view him as more than just a kick returner. So, yeah. I mean, it's also, it's an investment in the contract and the player. And yeah, I mean, and we all agree.

Like we like the player coming out of college. college. Yeah. So. Okay. All right. You got a birthday, I mean, an anniversary to celebrate. A wedding birthday. Oh, yeah. I know. I mean, you're going to need, you're going to need to solicit more advice from people who aren't from here about how to handle, you know, presents and cards and things of that nature. But yeah, maybe I'll ask CB for some tips on how to write the card. He's not going to like this. I mean, I don't know who you're talking about, but it sounds to me like the kind of person who is actually not the opposite of who you should be going to for advice on that front. Speaking of cards, I still have a thank you card for Shield Capadia that I have not given him. It's just sitting in my desk and the house.

Well, you're waiting for him to to apologize for the wrong to write the wrongs. I mean, no, I need to get that card to Sheal. It's like a nice card too. I wrote all the all in the back of it. like I really but I wrote it like a month ago I meant to give it to him during training camp but then him and I don't talk I'm I am I am absolutely guilty of this as well like I will do the thing the nice thing and then just let that thing linger yes it's like oh man well now I'm just an ahole yeah no he'll get it eventually but it has not happened yet I need I just need to mail what would

be the funniest time for you to deliver it to him probably like on the one year anniversary of me writing it at this point but you know he's not he's like me he's not very like a little touchy feeling not in that way like he's not like mushy very anti-sentimental yeah so I don't even know if he would appreciate the card really but I wrote it I did though like you said I did the hard part I just need to get it in the mail last thing

did you read one to Cliffy too as well no I should have though now you make me feel that now you can't you should have said yes and then just also done that I should have written one for Cliff I mean the reason I wrote it for Sheila is because like he was the one who asked me to do the podcast in the first place

but Cliff also does deserve a thank you card we love you we love listen I cliff I thank you I'm saying thank you I mean yeah Cliff was hanging out with my sister at the tailgate before the game yeah he's getting juice on you he's he literally actually did get did I tell you that that he got dirt on me yeah yeah he's got like said it was about your first name but I thought is it does it go beyond no it's just about my name okay I'm not sharing this on the bottom really we can address it at some point but now I'm not sharing this oh this seems like something to get to the bottom of.

It doesn't happen right now, but it's not happening right now. Yeah. We're going to get there eventually. Yeah, eventually. We'll tease it. The last thing, I need to make sure the listeners are aware. I had just an awesome pico de gallo yesterday made with tomatoes from my garden and jalapeno's from my father-in-law's garden.

So it was really good. That sounds great. Yeah. So did you make it or did Julia make it? I mean, she like was the one who chopped it all up. Yeah. I was making the chicken. Okay.

I cook outside. That's like my thing. I don't like cooking inside. Never? If I can avoid it, I do. So Julie just does all the winter cooking? Well, um,

we honestly, I grill in the winter. So no. Okay. Yeah. I do. I don't like, I think it's the anxiety of the smoke alarm.

I don't like to cook inside. We was very, just take that thing on. We like tape a Tupper. I shouldn't say this. It's probably like insurance fraud or something. Like, we tape like a Tupperware over the,

I just pull the battery out. Ours are hardwired. So that's tough. It is very annoying. The things we do just to make sure that it's not blaring in our faces. Tough life. All right.

That'll do it for the P.H.L.I. Eagles podcast. Back tomorrow, two o'clock. Jamie and Rich in the saddle, we're also going to hear from the All-City NFL expert. Adam Hogue joining us plenty to talk about as the Eagles week rolls on. And remember, please, tomorrow at 11 o'clock, the debut of all.

unblocked with Brandon Graham. Looking forward to that. That's it. That's all we got. Andrew, thank you for shepherding us through the show today. Comment below. Let us know, team lewd or team crude. And as always, we love you.