PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Vinny Curry on Jim Schwartz and much more as the Philadelphia Eagles prepare for the Browns

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry has thoughts on Jim Schwartz, Robert Saleh, Deshaun Watson, Bryce Huff and much more as the Eagles turn the page from their bye to a Browns team with huge offensive problems. A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith and Lane Johnson should be back to play with Jalen Hurts. Can Vic Fangio turn things around?Join Vinny, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for a three-headed discussion of the important Eagles topics. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Tuesday afternoon. We are presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code. PHLY365 when you sign up, whatever the moment. It's never ordinary at Bet365. And it's a fun Tuesday here. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, joined in studio by our resident Super Bowl champion, Vinnie Curry. Vinnie, do you know what that picture is from that was on the bumper before the show started? of you celebrating at the link oh man hopefully was the nfc championship you're damn right it was

you're absolutely right zach how you doing i'm doing great throw the being here thrilled to be here with that minnie not just seeing them on the screen yeah person i want the audience no that's minnie i'm zack right we got to make that clear another creative heater from you after uh after your performance last night i have to yeah i have to keep rolling with it that's good and what a fun event it was last night for the sickos talking to you about uh this new book talking to us talking to us. Yeah, but you were the star. Rewarding to see the sense of community we have here, PHOI,

and hoping we have more of those events. All right. Well, Vinnie, what a timely day for you to be here with us, because big NFL news. And we're going to get to lots of other stuff. We're going to get to Jim Schwartz. We're going to get to Nick Siriani and maybe some conversation about, like,

the media NFL player locker room conversation that is happening right now. But Robert Sala, your last NFL coach as a player, You were with the Jets for two seasons. We were there for his first year. What was your reaction? How much was the phone blowing up? As the word came down that he had been fired after five games.

My phone was ringing off the hook and I'm like, you know, I'm like, why everybody keep calling? And then I happened to see it, man. I was just like, damn. You know, that's unfortunate. But listen, you know, the mishaps, you know, that's been going on up there. I know that fan base and their ownership want to win really badly. In the last couple of weeks, they kind of blew those games.

The word you keep hearing from the reports is that they're stunned inside the building. How accurate do you think that actually is? Do you think players, coaches, people in the building are surprised by this? Or do you think this is something that given the way they played in London, that it was kind of a possibility? Um, I think 50-50. I think some of the stun. And I also think, you know, just the way it played in London,

played a big part of some of the, I guess what you call it, decision-making, you know, that went on in London. It's just a real unfortunate situation, man. And maybe it might be stunned for a Tuesday. Okay, yeah. Yeah, you know, so it's crazy. Is that actually effective, like, you? You know, because we hear it and we'll talk about it in terms of when people are mad,

they say fire the coach, fire the coach, right? If you make an in-season firing, is that an effective thing? Like, is it just shuffling the deck chairs, or do you think it can change a team? I think it can go both ways. Like I said, obviously if you fire him during the season, that means that it must have been eyes on something. You know, I don't think it was just like, spare the moment, let him go. So the interned coach, I think, was Coach Brick. Yeah, the de-coordinator, yep.

Which, you know, you know, at the end of the season, Coach Brick was probably going to get a head coach your opportunity somewhere. Interesting, yeah. Elsewhere. So I just think just the way it happened, how fast it happened, I think that's the studying part about it. And it's unfortunate, you know, so I was a good dude.

But, you know, it's New York, you know. you know it's just that London that London the last outing was not good yeah we we have talked both on camera and off camera about how how different you found the culture with the Jets than with the Eagles where you were for so long explain that why what was so different when you when you got there uh you got to stand so we hope create that Eagles culture that you know kind of the culture that you everyone is used to um back in 2012 and carry that torch all the way so then, you know, when you look at the Jets, you're in the back end of your career, everything was like, you know, kind of different or it wasn't as,

and I'm glad you bring it up, because this is going to be like a, like a, we talk about such an urgency a lot. Right. You know. And this is, and this is Salas setting the culture because this is his first year. Right. So when we got there, it was just, everything was just totally different than what you used to. So as an older player, you know, you can't.

teach your old dog new tricks. You know what I mean? So it's just kind of like, wow, like things were really, really different. But you adapt to it and, you know, unfortunately I end up having surgery. Right. So that was crazy.

And what sense do you have of, I know we're an Eagles show, but the Jets are in the news, of whether the Jets will turn this around? Like, do you think there is talent there and they're underachieving? Oh, absolutely. Or do you think they're playing to what Salas level is? No, no, no, no. I think I think there's a lot of talent there.

They're underachieving. And I just think, you know, maybe a shake-up like this would probably light a fire, you know, under the, I don't want to curse, but you know. Yeah, yeah. Under their air ends. So, like, how do players find out? Because in 2012, your rookie year, I remember Jim Wasper, and your D-Line coach, he was fired.

You guys got off the plane coming back from New Orleans, and he got fired. but like, you know, it was a surprise then, right? How do players find this out when this happens? Now, that was a surprise. Yes. You see, you know, that's a stunt moment. Like, you know, you're on a plan. You're going over what could have been better or what went wrong.

But I remember that day, that was a crazy day in the Super Tour. Yeah. You know, that's what the whole. That was a bad loss. Yeah, yeah, that was a bad loss. We did a trick play on a kickoff. I remember that. Riley Cooper landed that.

You know, they was, now that was a stunning, you know. Like, are there texts, you know, typically, like, are there texts from the team? Is it the type of thing where, like, one person finds out, you find out on social media? How does that happen? A little bit of both. Think about it, we lost, what, two coaches that year. Yeah, Wonga Stia. Yeah, that was, like, that was crazy.

You know, especially with Walsh being a guy. that, you know, that had you at this standard. Yeah, yeah. Sure. You know, you're coming into practice at 7 o'clock in the morning, and you're just like, like this, where you go right now? It's just like, man, I ain't going to be the – I'm not going to be the last one. I'm not going to be the one of the fuck up today, you know what you right?

Right, right. And now that you see the way the ball is going, I don't really see a lot of people with that standard, you know what I mean? Because if you didn't meet his standard, he will let you have it. He didn't care who was around, your mom, your dad, who was. How about Juan? What was that like when he was fired? I want to say that. That was shocking as well.

That was when the buy, I think. I'm only, I only been in the, you know. Right. You don't even know any better. We would have been in leave for about eight weeks. Right. You know, so that was like, oh, yeah. What's next?

Yes. You know. Not me. You are right. It's quite a debut. As for, as for Sala, surprised or not, do you think there are guys in that building you are, who are happy? I will say

Listen, I will say this I would say You know, there's some guys It's like, damn Like I can't believe that happened I won't say some guys Are probably like, yo man, we need to get it together

You know what I'm saying? So I won't say happy I will say more so Fill in the heat That's what I would say I will say filling the heat Because listen If you don't start winning there

Every at one point in time You got to take accountability And you got to be held out a proper standard you know, at this professional sport that we love. Now, I think if you flip this to the Eagles, Zach, you think about Siriani and Salak hired that same cycle, right? And now only two of those seven guys are left,

Dan Campbell and Siriani. Obviously, Syriani is had a much better record than Salah has. But Seriani is sort of on the hot seat, and that means we can go to our ACE hardware temperature check, where Ace Hardware Home Services Online at www. W.Asehardware homeservices.com get you started on your next project because, you know, there's some, there's some fire on Nick. How aware are you as a player when there is conversation about the coach's job status? Oh, you remember even meaning that it's Philly.

Yeah. You, you're aware about a lot of things. You lie. Anything that's talked about, you hear it, you know, that's why they say ignore the noise. You can't ignore it, though, can you? Think about it. They don't say, we don't hear the noise. If you say, ignore the noise.

Sure. Good point. That's good distinction. Yeah. But I was, I will say that, you know, the Eagles players love Nick. You know, they love him. So, you know, if they feeling him, feeling the pressure, you know, think about it with a great team, with greatness period, comes pressure. You know, and that's just the standard and the culture that us, you know, has a Philadelphia fan base, has a culture, has a culture.

everything has created you know because we want to be great sure you know we want to be great but the same time players got to start taking accountability and taking actions how can they play better because when players mess up that's when they get bored down on Nick to follow up on both point there you know you it's by nature of being in the league for a long time you've been in these experiences four times in your career the coach was fired 2012 Andy Reid, 2015, Chip Kelly, Dirk Cutter, 2018, Doug Peterson, 2020.

So in those cases, in the locker room, you have annoying people like me coming up to you guys saying, you know, are you playing for the coach's job? Things like that. There was a situation with Eagles last year after the Tampa loss when Jalen Hertz has asked about, you know, do you want Nick back? And Jalen acted like, where's this question coming from?

If he had just watched our show, week 12, he would have known where it was coming from. But that's besides the point. when when this is coming up like our players talking about it is it the type of thing that it only you know you said ignore the noise right but you you also said you kind of know it's there does it actually come up in conversations no no no no no you don't want to be the guy spreading that okay you know what i mean you hear it you hear it on the way to work you know the guy's not sitting there gossiping about it you know um maybe when you get home to wife, you're like, I wonder what's going to happen here. It's really the family members that

that's listening to the show making sure you're saying something about their baby or saying something about your family member. And you know, they say this about you? Or you know what they say this about you? That's really what you heard that stuff from. But guys is not just having powwows inside the locker room now.

But I imagine like, you know, in anyone's line of work, if there's someone who hires you, like if you have a boss who hires you and that boss is fired, then you might be saying, oh, is the new boss going to be interested in me, right? Does the new boss want me? So in the NFL locker room, sometimes you have a coach who's an advocate for you.

You have a D-line coach, a coordinator. Sometimes it's the GM. Do players start worrying about their own job security in those cases? I would say they'll start worrying about if they fit that scheme or not. You know, I remember when they was bringing in when Coach Reed left and they was bringing in Chip. Yeah, yeah. And my phone was like, it was like seven, it's like seven three in the morning.

I might even get ready for a workout or something. And I'm like, damn, why my college coach is calling? So I asked the phone and it was like, hey, Vin, yeah, we're flying in the Philadelphia. I was like, for what? So you know, Chip Kelly taking a job. I was like. I wish you told me, man. Oh, all right.

Yo, the guy that called me, you know, Coach Menda was one of my favorites. Yeah, he was one of my favorites. one of my favorites, but I said, hey, Coach, who are you bringing? Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's how I knew that she was coming here, but then I, but when men are calling me, I know they're going, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I know that and that scheme going. I'm like, damn, here I am, my rookie season ain't going away.

You know what, you know what? Because, you know, at the time, we had, what, 11 active D-Ns on the thing. And now we're getting ready to go to this three, four, I already knew right away. So that's what you kind of, sort of the first person I called was Flesh. I said, yo, bro. See if it's real. Yeah. And then it was real.

Like, oh, wow. You know what I mean? Now, which of those firings was most surprising and which one was least surprising? Good question. I would say the most surprising was, I guess, obviously, Doug. Interesting. Yeah, okay. You know, the most least, least surprising is a toss-up.

It's a toss-up. would say between Chip and Dirk because when any that's like that's like when it's like Alarison in his prime if the Sixth's trade I'll obviously how you you can't get over that

I don't care how much winning you doing yeah you're not going to get over that Andre Mioran didn't not make you get over that I think this is going to be you traded shady for right Akego right it was probably the timing of it that was

yeah That's it happened. Yeah, I just think, I think, like, what that dude meant to the locker room at that time was like, wait, what if we're going to do now? You know what I mean? It's just crazy. I see how much energy he brings on TV. That's like, that's him for real. Like locker room, you know, you're dragging your day dragon.

He come in there. You know, you're going to get on it today because he ain't, we're going to make a fool of out of me with the moves. So it's just like, that right there was like, you can't get over there. So that's what I would say that was the least surprising because him, shady. And then when he didn't bring Mack back. Yeah. And he sent Mac to Kansas City. I was just like, oh, wow.

Yeah, but he got Miles Austin. I like Miles, man. Shout to Miles. You know, then I think he tried to refix it with the whole DeMarco. Yeah. Yeah. And I just did. It wasn't a good fit.

Yeah, yeah. But that was a weird year. You talk about culture, right? They get to see how this culture is. And it's like, now, everything ain't abrasive. Yeah. You know, everything not abrasive. Yeah.

You got to fit the criteria and you've got to fit this mold, you know? Like, and you see that that didn't really last long. I think that sort of leads to an interesting big picture question, which is who really sets the culture? Is it the coach or is it the guys in the locker room? That's a good question. I would say the order or the locker room, you know, the oral or the locker room, you know, the coaches set the scheme. So the scheme, this coach set the scheme of the culture and of the habits, you know, but let's be honest. This was a well-oil machine.

Yeah. You know, you're going to put your own influences to this culture and making little changes here and there and tweaks, obviously. But playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, this was a well-eering machine. Like, even the guys that came before us, the guys came before them, you know. our team is based off defensive line play, quarterback play, receiver and runnerback play. Yeah. And then you look about it. Within the last couple years, it's, you know, that officer line's been phenomenal, you know, and everything they've been doing.

So that was to bring everybody together, you know what I'm saying? And on my way up here, me and Trent was talking about, like, you know. Trent Cole. Yeah, yeah, yep. So Trent Cole, me and him was talking about it on our way up here, I'm like, Like, yo, man, damn, man. Like, birds got to get it together. And he was like, yeah, but I was like, yo, what you think they're missing?

You know? And that's what? You just got to show more love. Like, I got your back. You know what I mean? You got my back. I don't really see that on the defense. I think there have been some times when that you have seen it on the field.

Right? Interesting. Right? Where. How so? Well, like, there was week one, Jalen gets knocked after the play and nobody does anything about it. The Devante play, you know, I know that they're trying to knock at a penalty. but like nobody does anything about that.

I don't know. I feel like you've seen that a little bit on the field. I've always found Jordan Maillata always is typically the guy who's defending in those cases. Jason Peters used to do that too. I think about that. That's his teacher. See what I'm saying? Hey, look, well, oil.

Sure. That's the thing. I think you can look at each of those positions that you mentioned. The important positions in, you know, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie's eyes. And there are those connections, right? It's, you know, whoever taught Trent Cole, then Trent Cole teaches you and BG. And then it carries on, right? And it's the same thing with, like, Jason Peters to Jordan Milata.

And each of those, those, like, ten pole positions has that sort of, that similar DNA. And it's like I said, when we were young pups, we had some unsung heroes that don't really get a lot of flowers. Like who? Like Daryl Tatt? I like that. He's a good coach now. Think about Most of everybody that I'm getting ready to name are coaches Yeah

That's the wild part about it You know, they wasn't trying to Big homie you or big brother you But it was out of love, you know They made sure everybody Came over at least once a week Or once every two weeks in their house Yeah, it was a lot of family bonding

Or I would say team family bonding You know, which trickle down You know what I mean And that's why them dinners that they have going on today because that was started you know and who else I would say so yeah uh

obviously Vic obviously at the time Tatt Trent Cole Domingo Rines um shady

he was in a lot of that Jason Peters yes you know um which Todd Herman's yeah that's a good one you know I'm saying Ty Herman's, Evan Matthew, like that whole thing.

Think about how that whole officer line looked my first two years in the league, or first two years in the league, to how what it transpired to, going forward from, you know what I mean, from whatever to whatever, it just kept getting better, better, better, better, better. And it was doing the same things,

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I forgot to give Connor Baldwin his flowers too. He's on that list. Connor Barwin? That's good one too. Yeah. So it's not a surprise to you then some of these guys who've gone into these roles. D'Amico's the head coach. Daryl Tap, like we said, he was in San Francisco.

He's in Washington now. Connor Barwin, I can't tell you how many of these young players talk me about the developmental program that Needles have, which Connor oversees. So it's not a surprise for you to see. some of these guys doing that. I definitely can see Brandon Graham when he's done in that role too. You know, so. Yeah, I mean, I wonder what BG is going to do.

What do you think? I don't know. He'll be head coach. You see, he'd be. BG going to be like how Duce was. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was a favorite.

You know, yeah. Yeah, they won't let about the building. Man, what? And if you... I just hope he's not. And if you were stuck it up, the deuce would let you know. Come on, soldier.

bro. Yeah, he would say some stuff, bro. I just hope Jeffrey Lurie doesn't interview Brandon Graham for the head coaching job three times in the higher. Yeah, exactly. Like he did with dudes. Yeah.

Okay, well, speaking of guys who will tell you what they really think. Right. Let's take a minute to talk about your friend, Jim Schwartz, because the Cleveland Browns are coming to town, and we know what he did with the Eagles defense. You were there for that transition. What's it like to play for Jim Schwartz?

It's unbelievable We talk about that standard And we talk about, you know How you come into the building He can't He'll lie to fire under anybody You know As soon as you walk in

You know, he on that time in 24-7 I'm like damn, coach You have to take some time out for yourself He said, yeah, bro You know, on Fridays when y'all leave here I go home And I go fishing and I come right back I say you drive

You live far as hell He would do that, bro. He would do that. For two hours, go take a two hour drive, go fishing, come back and ready, yeah. Really? Yeah, no, but he's very, very fiery. When we talked about this, the last time I was here, he's going to be ready for this game. He's going to have those guys pumped up ready to go, you know, because there ain't no atmosphere like the link.

Right. And he is a guy who, I think, doesn't necessarily need extra motivation, but probably has a little bit of extra motivation going up. against this eagles team. Yeah, I mean, I'm absolutely. I'm pretty sure, you know, because he loves it here. You know, Jim loves the hair. And he's definitely going to try to, you know, pull out all the stops and, you know, had those guys ready to play.

But, Jim, you're going down. Ooh, I like that. By the way, Vin, do you know that I was looking at your, you know, your stats before? I think this is an important thing for you to just use as a nice piece of, you know, boosting yourself up. The only season that you got to start every single game win the Super Bowl. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. With Jim? Yeah, I mean, we should have been a start of the whole time. Win a couple of Super Bowl.

Yeah, you know, but you know, it's the Philadelphia rotation, you know, it's the Eagle rotation. You know, I was always one of it. I told you, I was the player that do dirty work and take the high roll with it, you know, I ain't, you know what I mean. Now, there were, there were two things that, you know, Malcolm Jenkins pointed out about Jim Schwartz in his book, which was that he said he treated like the bottom of the roster players and the top of the roster players the same. It didn't matter who you were. And then the other thing is he said he wanted everyone to get paid. And he brought up a scene in a meeting when he got hired when he said Fletcher Cox, Malcolm Jenkins, you guys just got paid. He could have mentioned

you. You got paid that year too. But, you know, that like that was something that came up in the meetings. What were some of the behind the scenes things from Jim Schwartz that distinguished him as a coach? It was always a lesson inside the lesson. Jim, what Jim meant to us, you know, it was really paying homage, you know, to the veteran players all the time. He really held veterans at a high-ass standard. I mean, high, you're like, damn.

You know, the amount of respect he had for guys, you know, with nine plus years. and their career was phenomenal and make you wonder like, oh, I can't wait till he called me up like that, you know, like stuff like that. And particularly I remember when I, even when I got my master's degree

and they did like a little, you know, I couldn't make graduation at the time because we getting ready for a game. It's a big flex to master's degree, by the way. Yeah, absolutely. You just slipped that in there. You're the only master's degree guy on the on set here. You know, there's a whole ceremony thing for me there.

That's great. That was dope. But it was always a lesson inside a lesson. And he respect the hell out of players and the way they play their game and what they put their bodies through. And that would make you want to go through a wall for him. You know, like he pointed out to be the starter, you know. Like, hey, V, you better get what you can get on this.

You know, and then that's, you know, we got Barnett. And I'm coming on third because you got to. So I try to be the most hitting this D-N to a quarterback on first or second down that we ever seen. And obviously that was a goal. And he would point that out in front of the whole entire organization. Like, yo, this kid had his goal. He hit this goal, achieved his goal.

And it was just dope. He found different ways to motivate every single person. Like, like Michael said, from the bottom of the roster to the top of the roster. And if you wore a number or you reminding him of one of his favorite players, he will make you do a report on it. Really? And you got to get that report in front of it. A report on back then.

No, they didn't. have to do with no one more 75? Younger guys. No, no. But, uh, um, coach Walsh now over at the Eagles,

he, he makes the guy still do it. Okay. Somebody had to do a report on me over there. Yeah. Really? Okay. Yeah, you touch a number.

I like that. I wonder. I'm not Terran Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was 75.

Okay. Yeah. He's a good player too. So, um, stuff like that is how things are created and understanding and holding yourself on a high standard.

So if I say you remind me of somebody and you want you to wear this, you're going to try everything to be better than that person. They remind you on because you want him to read. I'm better than him. So it's a motivational factor too. I like that. Always a lesson inside a lesson with you. And, you know, it's interesting you said that about the veteran players because he,

this was the first exposure I had to it. In 2016, you guys signed Stephen Tolok. And he made a point, Jim Schwartz made a point of mentioning the respect he had for 10 years. veterans in the league and like went out of his way to say like when you get the 10 years in this league how special that is and like he gave like a a five minutes you know soliloquy on 10 year veterans um now to spin it to this weekend though bow and i have i've talked about this i i really like jim schwartz's scheme um i've said i understand the vicangio schemes the the the like the fad in the nfl if you will um but the jim schwartz scheme i always liked because

And I'll defer to you on this, but the way players explain to me is that it's easy to learn, like, and it allows you to play fast and play with your instincts. Having played in that scheme, what makes it successful? Because it's been successful in Tennessee, in Detroit, in Buffalo, and Philly, now Cleveland. Jim, you used to always say, I don't know, I watch my mouth. It's okay. It's okay. My fucks always got something to say about my scheme. We go to man-and-man coverage.

I guess I much I respect my secretary and guess what division line I get motherfuckers pay yes yeah you know that's right

yeah you go down his list from the time the scheme was put in the scheme was put in I want to say the scheme was put in for Peyton Manning in Tennessee

is that right yeah because Tennessee in the division to play against paid man yeah the whole boot yeah he can boot was ass off, you know, and um,

yo, you go down from the, I mean, Cliff Averro, uh, Kyle Vannebos, uh, Albert Haynes were in, yeah,

you know, and you get to sue. Yeah, and it keeps, keep going. Vandenbos, yeah, yeah,

that whole, and it keep going. Marcel Darius. Yeah, then you come to our list, everybody a bit. Yeah, yeah.

Then he leaves, uh, to go to Buffalo. Oh, did he go to Buffalo in between. He, With the Buffalo. Yeah.

Even that whole entire, that whole Buffalo, Mario Williams, Marcel Darius, pay. Then he came here. Pay, pay, baby, me, me. Like, I said, damn. And players like that, I imagine. Oh, what? Yeah. But this when you ask me, you say how much of it is cultural, how much of it is

cultural, how much of it is a scheme? So when culture meets scheme, that's the fit. You see, thank God. Thank God. You know, but you also got to understand. understand with this, it ain't easy. It ain't easy. It's not easy because if you,

he's going to call you out in front of the whole building. Yo, what was this? So that's when I talk about sit your urgency. You know, the little-wish thing, because it was the attention to detail, but that's how much trust that we had in one another and everybody know, nobody, none of us wanted to be on there. So that's just all putting to do our jobs.

You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, that's what make it special. So why is the scheme so effective against the run? Because that's the thing that always jumped out to me. You think a four-man front with, you know, it's a wide front. Maybe it would be susceptible against the run. But Jim always emphasized that like stopping the run.

And statistically, his defenses typically are very good against the run. I want to say, shoot, within those years, we might have laid the league in tackle for loss. That sounds right, right? Yeah, especially those first two years. What happens is, Jim was, you ain't saying the edge, he would like, what the fuck? Like, it will go nuts. You can't get to use that right.

Yeah, but he will also go nuts on your coach. Interesting, okay. It will go. So Chris Wilson and your games. Phil. Phil Daniels. Oh, you know what I mean? We had Burke.

You know, we will go nuts on the coach because he's like, yo, what is going on? If I come down there, it's going to be a bigger problem. You know? So that's, that's what's the thing. Once again, it's like, you know, pay attention to the detail, watching film, watching the guys that came before you. But look at the list of guys that I gave you that got paid, that played in his scheme before you.

So if you're struggling, you could go back and see what fits your ability of those kinds of players because you're here for a reason. So obviously, one of those players is closer to you. So like me, I watch. Cliff Averill, Kyle Vannebos. Kyle Van der Boz play hard as, you know what? Cliff Aver will get off the ball, like to get off the ball. So you can watch that.

See, damn, what was successful for them? What did they see? You know, all of us that did like that. And then, you know, we were tried to outdo whatever the record was that he had. We would try to outdo that. We would try to shatter that. Yeah, it was crazy. Like, we took that personal.

What about from just a week by week's standpoint, how does Jim Schwartz put a game plan together? And how does he present that to the team? So, like, what might the Browns be going through this week as they prepare for the Eagles? So, you know, the Brownhill call, his defense to being in, but like, all right, the keys to victory. Okay. You know, here, put his bulletin. Three, five, what do we got?

Depends on what team you play. Okay. You know, number, so you hear me talk, do our show, throughout the weeks, I always say, single-digit miss tackles is how you win you. games that comes from gym. That's a gym thing. That's my priority on it. Interesting.

But he'll have these key, these keys to victories. They have these keys to victories, but then he'll make everybody get up. One by one, you have to sign it. Oh, interesting. It's like signing a contract.

No. It's like, it's like blood in, you know, back in the light, you know how it is. Oh, okay. We're one for all. Yeah, I like that. You sign it. And then whoever has the best game

on defense, he frames it. You put the score on there. I love that. That's awesome. You know, I got a couple of those in my house. Yeah, which games? Broncos one, maybe two Giants ones.

A Dallas one. I got a couple. Yeah. For you. And then, you know, prime time ones, you don't know the ones, you want for real, for real.

He's like, oh, I was out there. You go back to it. Yeah. So as he's meeting with the Browns this week. You say it depends on the team. You know the Eagles personnel. What's the, what's his top priority this week? Is he saying, is he

focusing on Sequan Barkley? Is he saying A.J. Brown, Devante Smith. Is the J.1. Hertz is running? What is his emphasis when he's sitting there with Miles Garrett and, you know, J.O.K. and those guys this week? There ain't going to be no walk in the park with this all of us a line. That's what you're telling them. Interesting.

I ain't going to be going to walk in the park. Listen, the Eagles is a physical team. So he's, he telling them we have to out physical them you know once once they show any type of weakness in the armor then then it's attack mode you know that's what he's telling them you know especially on that defensive side of the ball yeah so now he always downplayed publicly uh his like economics background and his emphasis on on on math and it would he present numbers to you guys would because he came up before analytics were a thing, really, in the NFL.

That was a background that he had with the Cleveland Browns. Does he present data to you guys? Is that just something that he's discussing with coaches? How did that come up? I mean, the data that he presented was just, you know, your regular team breakdown on what this guy's doing, what scheme here, what the look on here. You know, he really does. And, you know, what the Eagles day was getting.

them so much resources of, you know, I don't know, which will call on, say graduate assistants, but like in terms. Yeah, support they have quality control guys. So, and it will make it easier for the player to watch the film. Okay. Okay. So instead of like an empty template of like, go watch this, it's specific stuff. Oh, man, because he would chew you out for a reason because he knows damn well that you're

not prepared well enough because with the information that he's presenting, you should be able to watch it individually and know that what you got to do on what call that match. Oh, damn, okay, this calls for this. This is what they're about to do. So you already know, damn there, what they're about to do before they do it. And that's what made us real good. And then when you start saying, hey, yo, Michael, when Michael come down, you're like, you should you have to see me or, or.

or BG or even, you know, doing that run, Chris or somebody, to talk to him like, yo, bro, I'm about to take a chance. And, you know, and Michael will be there to save everybody because that was Jim's guy. Yeah. And, you know, if we messed up, you know, it was on his ass, you know what I mean. So that's what made us great, man. Now, specifically with the Browns, the other thing I wanted to ask you about is,

I mean, the way that Deshaun Watson is playing right now, he's playing like one of the worst quarterbacks in the league and has been for a while. So what is it like and what must it be like when you're on a team where the defense is pretty good. You know that last year you were a good team when Joe Flacco was in, right? And you know that the quarterback is just like you're drawn dead with the way that that guy's playing right now. That must sort of sap the energy in the building a little bit. The walk off.

Yeah. That walk off with a sap. Yeah, what was that? What was that? You know what I mean? The fact that nobody ain't checked. right in there I don't know if that was here so my damn show was like a veteran on the team and for those of you who didn't see it this was there was there was a play where they're trying to run a play at the end of the game when they're already losing and Deshaun Watson walks off right but but he thinks there were 12 men on the field and that's why he was walking off yeah well no so he called a time out and I think uh the frustration from stefansky is don't is don't burn the time out there is uh if you're not going to go for the fourth take the delay a game

save the timeout because then you're just going to kick the field goal. Like it was a timeout that didn't make any sense there. Yeah, but I think he thought they had 12 guys on the field. They were trying to go for the fourth. It didn't happen. And so they could have just taken the live game. The crazy part is when you look at their office and coach and staff, they have a lot of the Philadelphia tree there.

That's true. Andrew Barry. You swore. They got a lot of, I mean, so it's some DNA over there. Yeah. And I'm like, when that happened, I said, damn, I'm one of the, what's worse is saying it's it's just it's so hard to believe that the deshawn Watson stuff has anything to do with any of the decision makers other

than the owner like yeah he's the reason they signed him I would imagine he's the reason he's still playing well I look I mean I I want your perspective I don't want to pull you in an uncomfortable spot here I just feel like he's got his confidence back okay yeah I mean yeah I can see that he had that year away to that might have affected him But you were part of a situation here in 2020 when the quarterback was underperforming. The franchise quarterback was underperforming. Carson was benched, right?

It was very, you know, that's obvious that happened. So what's it like in the locker room? You know, and it's similar to what Bo just asked. Like, is there, do you guys get pissed off? Do you guys, you know, complain about the quarterback to each other? Is it when there's someone, it's not just that position, but the status in the organization. Everyone in that Browns locker room knows the Sean Watson's contract. They know it's fully

guaranteed. They know like Bo said the owner wanted this move, right? And so when you're clearly losing because of a player, and I thought in 2020 there were games you guys were losing in large part because Carson was underperforming. Like, how does that go over in there? Back to gym.

You only can control what we can control. That means get the damn ball. Strip it. That's get some turnover. You win a turnover battle. get more opportunity. And then he turns it over again. But, you know, that was like, even when you look at that 2020 season,

you know, when that was happening, Jailin was rising up. Yeah, here he come. You know, and if one drive in particular, let's talk about Jelley for a second. That year, this man, after practice, we'll go through the whole, whatever the script was out there.

It's waiting for it's time to come. We're going down in Green Bay. Remember that? Yep, yes. I don't know if something happened to Carson Helmand or whatever. Something happened. He had to come out. Yeah.

The man started driving and then scored. Yeah, yeah, that's what happened. He didn't get benched yet. Interesting. It was like, he had to come out for something. Okay. And then when he started driving, then that's when it was like the look start going around like that.

Well, that's the thing that we always like to say, is the players know. The players know before the coaches know sometimes. Yeah. Right? And so did you know 2020? Like, I think this guy's, this guy should be the quarterback. Look who's preparing.

Our defense was nice. Yeah. And I'm like, dang kind of fire. Yeah, we're going to make sure he can't fire us again because Jim will get pissed. Oh, got this motherfucker. You know what I mean? And just to see, that's what Jim is telling his team. Like, yo, this motherfucker's getting hot.

He, because Chillon feeds off energy from the fans, from his teammates, and he already a fiery guy, you know what I mean? So, you know, at practice, you can really, really see it. When things break down, they will, you know, start going. And he did a phenomenal, phenomenal job preparing us, you know, for the type of quarterbacks we had to face during that season. And that's what Jim was telling his guy.

But back to what I'm saying, that in Green Bay. When he drove down there and scored, then that's when it was like, whoa. Probably the year before, when we played Seattle in the playoffs and they knocked once out, it was like, damn.

And then Josh come in and he heard yourself like the freaking first snap or the second snap of what it was. And then he was like, with Jeline, go ahead and do what he'd do. He was like, Dan, can you imagine if we had it? True. We won the football again. You know, and just to see how things are getting played out

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Well, I do want to move on to our next point. I was just going to say that if you can answer this quickly, to combine the quarterback talk and the coach talking into one, you hear the term, lost the locker room, right? This coach lost the locker room, this quarterback lost the locker. What's that feel like when you're in a locker? What does that look like when a player or a coach loses the locker room? It's not good.

It's terrible. When you see a coach lose the locker room, that means he's not taking accountability, and he's pointing finger. You know, that's back to that term that we use, what is a player coach who's there for the guys who's not? Right. You know, it's two different things.

You could, you've got to take accountability because at the end of the day, you signed up for this job to be the head of the table and the head, you know, of a team and the leader of a team, rather they're playing good or bad. You've got to be able to stand on that. And then when to come to the quarterback play, the loss of the locker room. That means if you guys just lose all faith in you, that's what I mean, about maybe DeShon lost his confidence, you know what I mean? He's just got to find what made him great and remember why he played his game.

Interesting. We had a couple super chats to get to before we move on. Let's get to those. From Kyle V says, Vinnie, you popped into my store during your rookie byweek in Huntington. Thanks for the photo. Go herd, go birds. Let's go. Wow, what a shout out.

And then from Chase Daniel Plainview, he says, Jalen Hertz is known to go outside the building for advice. Do you think he will ask Aaron Rogers how to get a head coach fired? That's tough. But it's funny. I will agree with that. All right. The other thing we want to talk to you about, Vinny, is the conversation that's going on these days, and there's some movement on this from the NFLPA, about the presence of reporters in the locker room with cameras, the privacy of that. What's your perspective on having been in the league for as long as you were, you know, those times during the week when the media was in the locker room for 45 minutes? Um

it depends Like you know The tough questions That come through Through those doors Be like Like Zach If you're if you're playing bad

You come ask me Now you're gonna watch your words Because you know what I mean You're already in a bad movie Yeah yeah You know what I mean But he's my man So you're asking me about that

So now I'm getting it I mean Right And it's just like The chitter And they'd be like Yeah did you hear that You know

It might be the only answer And it's like You know, my man, why are you whispering? Like, you know, stuff like that. So, you know, but. That might be, yeah. From the time I first got in the league to about time I was leaving, it was like really not everybody doing their own.

The cell phone cameras, yeah, true. Everything. But now it was just like, you're getting out of hand because you say one word, it can't get deleted. Because every other blog site is picking it up, you know what I mean? So that can go 50-50. I mean, because then you could be bawling. And the more cell phone covers you get in,

it might be that one little company in the cut. Like, yeah, I like this guy. I want to check him out, you know? Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of angles to it, right? Zach, I know that you were dealing with it as the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the Pro Football Writers Association. I think there is like the privacy angle of it,

which, you know, when it used to be with Andy, when we were in the locker room twice. a day before and after practice, then like everybody's getting changed. That's that you is understandable. That's less the case now, but I would still imagine. I mean, it must feel a little bit intrusive to have people come into your workplace, but that's also part of the job, right? Oh, you meant doing like doing the changing part.

Well, that's part of the. Oh, yeah. That's one thing the NFLPA saying. Well, yeah, you got to understand. But that brings in the cameras as well. Okay, but you got to, well, here's another thing. there's so many reporters, like there's so many

reporters that feel like that come through that. Yeah. It's different than Tampa. You know? Yeah. You change it and they got you in the background. Right. And I don't think the world want to see, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? So it's like, I can understand that a little bit. Right. But maybe it needs to need to be a time period.

Oh, everybody needs to be dressed by this time. Right. You know what I mean? And maybe it just need to be a time slotted before they come in. Like on, like on, game day. Yeah. You know, when you go out and after the game, kind of cool off a little bit, I'm like, all right,

meter get ready to come in. Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. And I also think the, just as there are more cameras where everybody's in there with a camera, there is also, you know, a greater avenue now for players themselves to have their own social media personalities and share themselves a little bit more than maybe it used to be the case.

Right. Right. And it's crazy how even that's changing. I remember when was that Antonio Brown used to go on, it was going to live. This was a dude

now. It was like, the whole league on it. It's like, this dude was ahead of this time when they come to that. You know what I mean?

Are you kind of glad that you didn't have that back in the day? Yeah, I didn't really care about that. So like that long as, listen, all I care about is getting the dub. But like,

you get the dub the whole week was going to be good. You know what I mean? You take an L or a heart L that week was as long as hell. Like that week could get a long. Long, long. So what part of it do you think bothers players the most?

Is it the privacy aspect of it where, you know, it's a place for you're changing? Or is it the having to deal with the tough questions? Having, you know, having, I don't want to use the term of accountability here. But, you know, if you're not playing well, you're going to be asked about it. Or if there's a controversy with the team, you're going to be asked about it, things like that. I would say the privacy. just the privacy aspect of it. Listen, when you get drafted

to the National Football League, man, you should become a part of your job. You're going to answer all the type of questions. You know, this is what it is. It's why you get paid the big bucks. You know, it's not the reporter fault that you didn't take any media training classes. Like, you know what I mean?

You should be able to, you know, and know how to answer that question, you know, respectfully, you know what I mean? So that's, I will hopefully say that the privacy aspect of it is the biggest thing. So my pitch, and I always say that the media shouldn't go out and advocating for why they should do it, right? Because no one's going to be like siding with the media here.

I think it's important from our perspective for the accountability component is that so you Vinny Curry, when you're in there, you know that there's a certain group of beat reporters who are there every day. Like if you're playing well, if you're playing lousy, they're going to ask you questions. when you're in your second year and you're not starting. They're going to ask you questions in 2017 when you're starting every year, right? And like, and so there's an accountability from our perspective that you know that we're not just harping on, you know, either the really high moments or the really low moments, but all those times in between. Right.

And I think, I think there's value to that. And then just practically speaking, it's like most of, you know, that's when you guys are, that's your downtime in the day. Like you're not letting us in the in the meetings. I know from talking to players, they don't like during the Super Bowl when, you know, you have to like sit down for 45 minutes, three days a week and just wait for those questions. So when you're in the locker room, that's like your downtime. It's a chance to have those casual conversations.

Right. And those conversations with, like, it becomes pretty funny. You know, because you just with your guys, you know, and you really, it's like when you're at work and you're going to break. It's kind of like what it is, you know. But, you know, I think it would get kind of, what kind of gets, like, tricky and sticky, say if you reported six different bad stories and you coming in there, of course, nobody ain't going to want to talk to you. Sure.

And that's where it gets tricky. Yeah. You know, like, but if you, you know what I mean? If you do it 50-50 and you call it down the middle, if I play shitty or I play good and you report it both ways and not just saying, man, this guy got lucky this week or that, then we will have a conversation with you, you know what I mean? But that comes back to. ignore the noise and not hear the noise.

Like, how aware are you of who's writing what? You stay off Twitter. Stay off Twitter. You know, when you got 100 people retweet and something you put out and they add in you on it. You got no choice. Yeah, that's true. The first thing that pop up on your phone.

Like, hey, wait, what do you say? Yeah. Like, you know. And then, you know, let's be honest, you know, and I'm a part of that too. We take that type of personal, you know, like, damn, dog. man, wait till I see him on Tuesday, you know, stuff like that.

You know, so it's, I think that's the part that's kind of annoying. And then, let's be honest, when the birds is not playing the way we think they are playing, this is the type of energy you're going to get around there. And that's from the culture that came before us, we just took it on, you know, and now it's getting passed on. It's been like that. Now what happens when you just lost a tough game to Tom Brady and the New England Patriots, okay? And it's Wednesday that week and you come into the locker room and you got the short guy waiting by your locker saying,

I want to talk about all your Jordans. What happens then? I'm making fun of myself because I wrote that story on all your Jordans back. Right, right. So, yeah, that, you know, I just like, okay, maybe he, maybe he's really pissed off about us losing. And he's trying to tell the fans like some, some sense. a human. You know, that's what I was kind of, you know.

Well, he texts me for pictures of my shoe collection. Yeah, this guy, I need this guy to back off a little bit. You know, but it gets like that, though, you know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, like I said, this goes back to the beginning of the show. We talk about jam. Being at a high standard and accountability, you know, we, defense always wanted to be the reason that we won or, you know, put us in a great position because, you know, let's be honest, defense wins championships and that's you know he had to bend but don't break rule and you know you just

you just always not on edge on purposely or trying to be maliciously but you're on edge because that's how bad you want to perform or that's how bad as a unit you want to perform interesting we have one more super chat from threat level midnight on this topic he says vini how much do players pay attention to the media um i will say they they they try and not to, but it goes back to what I was saying. When you got a hundred retweets and they add your name, you got no choice. But the look, man, what's all these retweets? Let me see what he's talking about.

You know what I mean? So, but now do they believe the media or believe with what they think about you is on the person, you know, you got to have thick skin, especially I tell people all the time, Philadelphia is not for everybody. You got to have thick skin and you got to play hard as hell here and

be able and willing to lay it all on the line, you know, every Sunday. So if you ain't that, they're point your ass out and then they're going to let you know like yo you suck yeah trash you don't even go hard you know what I mean and I think that's what makes this place special yeah so I I remember hearing from you know some people around Andy Reid and some people around Doug Peterson when they got to Kansas City and they got the jacks mill respectively and they're like this is this is night and day right when you got down the Tampa um the first time there was open locker room what was your

reaction and you know I thought they said media was Where is everybody? I was like, no, the media is here. I was like, oh. Okay. You know? I was like, whoa, this is crazy, you know? But then it was crazy because that craziness happened, they fired up curler.

And it was like this. I said, man, I need to get chatted out. I didn't take my eyes back to feeling it. I was like, yo, you start feeling team sick. You missed us. You missed us. You missed us. You started feeling.

Team sick. I was like, oh, my God. And then when Tom Brady goes there, obviously they try to jack the media up as much as possible, but even to him, it wasn't that much. And we can save our opinion on Jets media and New York media for another day. We'll get that done. Good job bringing that full circle, Benny. Do you have an on-the-record prediction for Sunday? Yeah, I got an on-the-record prediction.

I got the score being 21-17 birds. All right, there we go. Jim Schwartz does a pretty good job, but the ego's got the W. There we go. That's a nice little ride the middle. All right. Make sure you become a diehard and all that good stuff. Like the video, subscribe.

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