PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Washington Commanders-Philadelphia Eagles: All hands on deck for Jayden Daniels’ LINC debut

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

We’ve assembled the only group of Avengers Martin Scorcese will find more objectionable. Deniz Selman, Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf are together to preview the biggest game of the season to date. Jayden Daniels vs. Jalen Hurts. Jordan Mailata returns? Kliff Kingsbury revenge game. Dan Quinn and the power of a backwards hat vs. Nick Sirianni and the power of a shaved head. Terry McLaurin, A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert, Zach Ertz, etc. On and on it goes.Get comfortable and buckle up for the only preview of Eagles-Commanders you’ll need. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHAY Eagles podcast on a Wednesday afternoon, a full deck that we have here in studio ahead of the big game tomorrow night between the Eagles and the commanders, the biggest game of the season to date and to talk about it all we have from your right to left, my left to right. Zach Berman, our Eagles insider, Dana is Selman, who was lighting the internet on fire with why you should always go for it on fourth down. Fran Duffy, the man, the myth, the legend,

and myself who the only thing I bring to the table for this episode is an occasional Josh Harris face. How's everybody doing? Better now, now I've seen the Josh Harris face in the opening minute of the show. Danes, you have been waiting, biding the time for you to finally have to be on the show with Fran. I know that you cannot contain your excitement.

It's awesome. We got to do it once before the season. August, yeah. Yeah, but this is the first time that we have actual film to discuss and a game to discuss. It's great. Every time Fran is on, I make sure that I'm, I have my film notes out and I'm checking, I'm like proofreading, basically, to see if I caught everything, to see what else I can learn from what he's saying. And so it'll be great to be able to, you know, say the things live that I'm saying by myself in a room when I'm listening. Okay, well, we have a lot to get to. We're going to preview this matchup from both sides of the ball,

maybe some other important things to think about and know about this matchup. And then, of course, we will end with Super. This is going to be a long show. Buckle in, is my guess. But we've got to start. Zach Berman, Nick Siriani spoke today. What is the latest from the NovaCare Complex? Yeah, Nick is not saying much about Jordan Milata status.

And I spoke to Jordan Maillata yesterday, and he's not saying much about his status either. That said, if you just read the tea leaves, Jordan's going to play. And I say that because we spoke about the Eagles decision on Monday to open the window during a week when they only have walkthroughs. They don't have practices. So it's not as if there's like an acclimation process for him. Walkthroughs by nature are game plan specific. So if you're opening the window for him to do walkthroughs, he's involved in the game plan. That's number one.

Probably more tell. Well, then these next two things are more telling. He would have been a full participant in practice the past two days. had there been practiced. So that shows you that health-wise, he's where he needs to be in terms of practicing fully. And then probably the most telling one of all was the Eagles' decision to wave Jack Stoll, thus opening a roster spot. You wouldn't open a roster spot the week of a Thursday game to sign someone off the street. You wouldn't do it to elevate someone or to sign someone off the practice squad unless that player, of course, was out of elevations. You would do it to bring someone

on IR to the 53. That person obviously is Jordan Highlight. Now, Jordan said that the staff, the training staff has, has like this daily checklist for him to get ready for Thursday, that he needs to shake the rust off. But it certainly sounds like he's going to play elsewhere. I saw him playing ping pong in the locker room yesterday. It feels like he's ready to go. Yeah. And, you know, behind the scenes, just conversations.

This was kind of the week that had been targeted. was now when I asked him that specifically he didn't want to say this was the target he said whether it's this week or next week against the Rams um that one thing that had me concerned was he mentioned the next week against the Rams multiple times yeah I think he was doing that more because he was told for the gamesmanship exactly did you surprised it was stole I was a little surprised because it seemed like stole had some value I know Fran talks a lot about how stole's a better blocker than calcutera is and um you know just because got her I know he's not like the best in the league or head it or anything,

but I was a little surprised. I mean, I think they'd want to continue to dress three tight ends. I know Stoll still has two elevations. So if he comes back on the practice squad, he can be elevated twice. But it does show you that Stoll might not be like a long term. They might not think that it's that important if it's Stole or E.J. Jenkins or whoever else they have to bring about.

They use Bose because EJ. Jenkins is out of elevations, by the way. Yes. Bose really good at the roster gymnastics. and the league has already shown what they've thought about Jack Stoll, right? He's cleared waivers before. Now, there is more film during the past 10 weeks of him, but he was available for everyone to sign this offseason. He was available for everyone to sign when the Giants cut him,

the Eagles brought him to the practice squad. He was available to sign when he's on the Eagles practice squad. If you were to cut Eli Ricks or Tristan McCollum, you don't know if that guy would clear waivers down. They could cut Nick Gates, which we've talked about. But I think McCollum, they're probably safe to do it if they need to. But he might be the next one up. Do you guys think it'll be Driscoll dressed and Gates inactive tomorrow?

Because Fred Johnson will be the swing tackle. And then you've got Steen. So there will be one more offensive lineman dressed. And I know Driscoll was taking snaps at center. Before. Or maybe they would just slide Dickerson into center anyway. So it wouldn't matter. Yeah, that's a good question.

It'll be, that'll be. Well, that'll tell you the pecking. That'll refer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It will seem. And then just real quickly, just to get through some of the other notes from NovaCare,

everyone else would have been limited. All the other injured players would have been limited yesterday. I don't think anyone is really in risk of missing this game with injury. If Jordan plays, I think Devonte Smith, Dallas God, or Darius Lay are going to play. So the Eagles could have all 22 starters healthy for a week 11 game, which is a good accomplishment. And then some of the other notes will mix in throughout the week in terms of J.O.X. tons playing time, you know, a comment Vic Fangio made that we found interesting yesterday. But I think really the headliner today, and there's a video up on Instagram about it.

There's going to be a story up later today on all PHLY is Jordan Myelada status. By the way, did you guys know that this show is presented by the good folks at Bet365? Now we do. The best five app and use code PHY365 when you sign up, whatever the moment. It's never ordinary at Bet365. We all know that, right? That's just common knowledge. You don't need to.

I mean, it's to say the obvious. Jack Stoll talk has to come before that. Exactly. Now we can really start the show. And I think we got to start with what is the juiciest matchup here and probably one of their juicier matchups in the league this season, certainly for the Eagles this season so far. And that is the commander's offense against the Eagles defense.

Fran, I will start with you. And Zach, I actually want to ask you about Cliff Kingsbury in a minute here. But what does this offense look like? Does it look like what in our mind the classic Clip Kingsbury offense is? No, it's a little more different. It's a little bit more vertical in terms of how they deploy the receivers. I pulled some numbers for that, just looking at Kyler's last year under Cliff Kingsbury. Kyle Murray, the Arizona Cardinals quarterback.

And I posted that in my notes, which you can find at all p.hly.com right now for the diehards. But when you look at the difference between Daniels and Kyler, a lot of more vertical attempts, the screen passes are still there. There's a little bit more wide receiver screen usage in this offense. But I think when you look at it in terms of the concepts down the field in Arizona, it was a lot of mesh and shallow crosses, get the ball into the receiver's hands, Hollywood Brown and the, the Rondell Moore, trying to get the ball to those guys fast.

Greg Dorch. And Greg Dorch, go Deeks. But then when you look here at the way that these guys are used in Washington, a lot more double posts and deep digs. And look, that's the way that Jaden Daniels was used at LSU, a lot more vertical throws. But in this offense, watching them for the first time last week and really kind of studying them,

I was kind of taken aback by how vertical they were. And they look, Jane Daniels can make every throw. He could put a lot of stress on you in that way. And then I think just too, like schematically, they throw a lot at you. I mean, they're number two in screens. They're number one in RPO.

They're number six in bunch. They're number one by a wide, wide margin and no huddle. They're number four and empty. So they do so much in terms of their run game is very good. do a lot of different things in the run game. And so when you look at this offense, they put a lot of stress on you as a defense. So how difficult does that make things for Vic Fangio from a game planning perspective

this week, especially that tempo stuff? What is like your expectation for what they're, their number one coaching point there? I think the big thing that will help the Eagles in this instance is that they, over the last like two, three weeks, I mean,

they've been a heavy, heavy priority nickel defense almost exclusively the last few weeks anyway. And that's just full conference. and send Cooper dejean, why take him off the field? Probably. I think because of that hybrid skill set, the fact that he is a bigger nickel and can match up on tight ends and do some of the dirty work in the run game, you know, if this was, if he was a smaller nickel,

if you were trying to get into your penny package and you were trying to mix and match the way that the Eagles did last year and even that way that they did earlier this season, I think that you probably would have a little bit more cause for concern in this one, but the fact that they have been so, you know, so heavy, heavily leaned towards just the regular nickel package, the hurry up becomes less of a fact in that instance.

Now, I want to get to just the overall strength of these two units, Dana's. But while we're on Kingsbury, Fran, I mean, Zach, we do have to remember there's an alternate universe where Cliff Kingsbury is the Eagles offensive coordinator. He's one of only two guys we know they interviewed. Yeah, of course. The Eagles were interesting in Kingsbury. And there's a clear connection there. You know, J. Allen Hertz was recruited by Kingsbury out of college.

You know, when Kingsbury was the coach at Texas Tech. Kingsbury is from that Lincoln Riley tree, which is an offense that J. John Harts thrived in. It's an offense that Hallie Roseman's been in and admirer of. Cliff Kingsbury went on record with the Washington Post saying that the Eagles jobs, one he was interested in it, and would have accepted. And I think he said Eagles and Bears were two teams that he didn't get offered.

How the Bears do? Yeah, seriously. Seriously, the Bears. And that would have been more of a natural connection, considering he worked with Caleb Williams last year. So there's a lot kind of behind the scenes here. I know the Eagles like Kellen Moore. They obviously interviewed him.

I think Kellen Moore was more of the style that they were interested in. And one of the things they considered here is the Eagles have been really successful as a run offense under Jeff Stoutland, under Nick Sieriani. Cliff Kingsbury's running concepts, run game concepts are quite different than what the Eagles have run under Stoutland. And you do wonder if there would have been, you know, a different offensive approach. approach and how that would have affected the coaching staff, the way they kind of work with the offensive line. Kellyn Moore did bring in changes schematically, but I think it was, there was more of of a integration, if you will, with what the Eagles already had in place.

And that was a big talking point during the offseason was bringing Kellynne Moore's concepts, working with Kevin Ptoll, working with Nick Siriani, working with Jeff Stoutland. And I don't know if it would have been more radically different had Cliff Kingsford come like Statland is the key there, right? like nobody nobody's messing with Jeff Stoutland's dominance over the run game right? Yeah, I mean you had the note when he signed the contract extension about like

I think you said the highest paid position coach in the league is that and just the reverence in that building for Jeff Stoughtlin. Now I don't know how it would have looked under Cliff Kingsbury but I do know that there's been much more of a seamless transition with Jeff Stoutland and the Kellanmore offense. It's funny you mentioned Stoutland because Chip Kelly is who brought Stout here. And one of the reasons I didn't won Kingsbury as a fan was I didn't want to have like trauma back to the Chip Kelly years.

Like there are so many Chip Kelly-esque things about the way he does things. Fran mentioned that Washington is by far the number one no huddle team. If you just look at the first three quarters, there's 64% no huddle. It's crazy. The league average is 10%. Really? And the second highest team is Chicago at 29%. Right.

The Eagles are actually third at 28, but then it's like, you know, most teams in the league are like single digit. That's only the Eagles in the games when they don't want to run motion. Right. That's right. That's right. But the, you know, the playing fast, always having guys lining up on the same side. Like I went back to my 2014 Eagles depth chart and it says Riley Cooper left wide receiver. Jeremy Macklin, right wide receiver, which seems like a ridiculous thing to write. But that's where they lined up on every play. and Terry McLaurin lines up on the left on 77% of the snaps and he lines up in the slots on too

so like he almost never lines up on the right and that makes them a little more predictable in terms of how you know how you can match up with them and it does seem silly I think it's very silly and I know Fran can speak to maybe some of the advantages of doing it that way but one thing we know from you know like watching the game perspective on Thursday is that Quinnian Mitchell always plays on that side

so we're going to see Terry McLaurin against Quinnion Mitchell over and over and over again on Thursday, and I think it'll be obviously a great test for Quinyan and a fun thing to watch. Well, let's just talk about the strengths of these two units, Dinas. I mean, we're talking in DVOA. This is the number two offense against the number seven defense. EPA per drive, it's the number two offense against the number five defense.

You want to do success rate. It's number three versus number six. And obviously the Eagles, all of those numbers are rising because since the buy, they have been perhaps the best defense in football. Yeah. So since the buy, so these are, these are, this is, it's going to be good versus good. You know, I always tweet the, the, the thing I see you have in front of you right now, which is like the advanced metrics for both teams and I color code it.

And there's a lot of green in the Washington offense against Philadelphia defense, part of the, of the spreadsheet, meaning that these are the, you know, two very good units at basically everything. And one thing that is a good sign, I think, for the Eagles is that if you look at it since the buy, the Eagles defense is on an upward trend. whereas the Washington offense is on a downward trend. Now, there was no other place for Washington's offense to go. I mean, they were historically good over the first four weeks, but they were first in EPA per drive by a mile over the first month.

And if you look just since then, they are seventh in EPA per drive. So they've kind of come back down to the pack. Meanwhile, the Eagles defense was 26th going into the Eagle's by, which coincides with exactly when Washington started falling off. and are best in the whole league by ATA for Drive since, best in series conversion rate, which I love to talk about, it's the rate at which the opponents convert first downs

when they have first in 10. I love the considerable margin. Oh yeah, and that's a good, yeah, actually, yeah, we were talking about this off the air. The league average for series conversion rate is about 70.1%. So that equates to like a, you know, if you look at it from the defense's perspective,

getting a stop on a series of downs, the average in the league is like batting 290 in baseball. Right. And so you can think of like where are you over a certain span as being kind of like what a baseball hitter would be. And the Eagles since the by have been allowing 58.3% conversion. So that's like batting 417 over the course of like five games, six games. Like Ted Williams-esque.

Yeah. And when you look at like, you know, I'll do the shield thing where I do like the distance to the second team and all that, like the distance between the Eagles and the second place lions is the same as the distance between the lions and the 15th place dolphins. So, they're just like off the charts. And since I like to tease Zach about how important third down is, I'll talk about. We won't go down that rabbit hole. We'll talk about not third down, the first two downs. The Eagles have only been allowing first downs on early down since the by 33% of the time. And the league average on that is 48%. And the distance between the Eagles and the fifth place team is the same as the

distance between the fifth place team and the 30th place team. So any way you look at it, the Eagles defense been off the charts good, uh, since the by. Whereas Washington's offense has gone a little bit back to normal. And for the tape munchers, not just good, but fun. Oh, so fun. I mean, you know, like Fran talked a little bit about the film on Monday. Uh, there were so many Fangio classics in this game, uh, just kind of working to perfection. I mean, started the game with, uh, what's known as a slug pressure with Cooper DeGine blitzing from one side and the, the edge dropping off on the other. And then, safety rotation down and CJGJ like violently hits the running back as he rotates down to set the tone really for the whole game we saw whip a lot of times with one of the linebackers blitzing the B gap

opposite the side of the edge dropping Eagles are really low in blitz rate rankings if you just look at the services but that's because those don't count as blitzes right those are those are pressures that are playing with the quarterback and the offensive lines production but they don't have more than four rushers and so it doesn't appear as a blitz, but it's just been so fun to watch. Now, the person who's leading this commander's offense, we have not yet really talked about, and that is Jaden Daniels. Zach, what did Jalen Hertz say about Jain Daniels? Not much. He said he's always like Jaden Daniels. He won the Heisman Trophy, and he's doing a good job there. Then there was a question about Brian Johnson and how Brian Johnson's affected Jaden Daniels. He says he keeps in touch with Brian Johnson, but he can't

answer how he's affected jaden Daniels it's interesting how so many little connections in this game yeah many connections in this game um jaden Daniels the success is is incredible I heard Ron Jarwhorsky Ron Jarwhorsky say this week

on WIP that he's like the best rookie quarterback he's ever seen what stood out to Vic Fangio was the lack of interceptions that he has and then Vic Fangio also noted he said he's a good player but that coaching staffs done a really good job with him as as well But I'll just give one other like reporting nugget here. This is, this is interesting.

A good question from Tim McManus today when he asked Nick Siriani if he's showing the team the clip of Jalen Carter with Jaden Daniels, which I'm sure Fran saw quite a bit in the scouting circles of Jailen Carter literally lifted Jaden Daniels up with like one hand, basically, in that Georgia LSU game. And Nick said, Nick was like trying to stay far away. He's like, we have a lot of respect for Jaden Daniels. he's a really good player there's a lot of film on with of him since that game that we're focusing on but he's like you guys can't show that clip i like that and so that clip is can go around brand what is so impressive about jane daniels to you yeah i mean everything he looked he knows where his answers are within this offense and with this past game really really decisive and even when he takes off as a

runner i mean he's decisive in doing so and he's been so so good as a scrambler over the course of the season. No quarterback has gained more EPA as a scrambler this year. Zach talked about the turnovers. Fewest turnovers by a rookie quarterback in his first 10 games since 1991. Put the ball on the ground three times against Tampa and week one hasn't done it since. The lack of interceptions there and he's only had to feel like that's like due for regression or you would think so. He's playing that clean. He's playing he's playing. He's only I was I went and just watched through true media just his the dropped interceptions. There's only one. He had a bad overthrow on the run against Baltimore that went right through his safety's hands.

But other than that, he's leading the league in Bo's favorite stat, PFF's turnover worthy play percentage. Yeah, I know Sheal said that on his pod this week as well. I think when you look at at Daniels, the one thing I didn't mention about the verticality in this offense and how it feels a little different than from the Cliff Kingsbury offense we've seen in the past, the offense that actually kind of reminds me of

is Brian Johnson's offense in Florida when he was the officer coordinator down there and got Kyle Pitch drafted in the top five. I think that his impact is being felt down. there in terms of what the way that they're trying to stress defenses first of all great subtle dig at the quality of the offense being so good that it even got Kyle Pitts after the number five love that do you think that means that this is like we're getting this is really Brian Johnson's offense not Cliff Kingsbury well it's it goes to the thing of like everybody's involved and so you get it you get obviously look I don't think Brian Johnson if it was

if it was his offense would have Terry McLaren as the left receiver 80% of the time and things like that but now I do think that his influences felt and some of that you're leaning into what Jaden Daniels does well also. So, you know, I think the big thing with Jaden Daniels, you know, if you're the Eagles, if you're Vic Fangio going into this game, the big thing is you want to be able to pressure him, but you also have to contain him, right? So you have to like kind of tow that line. And I think Pittsburgh this week did an excellent job of doing that, of creating pressure,

a lot more man blitzes than I would have expected coming in. Like I would have thought, all right, you don't want to play a ton of man coverage. You're going to your back, right? Like Pittsburgh played man to man, and they went with five man pressures. And what they did was that that fifth guy that went. was typically Patrick Queen and he kind of just slow played his rush and just stayed. It was almost like quasi QB spy, but was also like going to insert as a pressure player late as well. And so, you know, I don't know something you can see this defense doing.

Potentially. You know, could Zach Bond be what Patrick Queen is? The other guy, I was thinking about this in the drive in. If you wanted to get like crazy in this game. Go full Keene and Clayton against Peyton Manning level game plan. No, you know what I was thinking though, though? was third downs you go to dime sydney brown sydney brown is that guy and i wonder if that would that would that be something that you know so it's not avante maddox in this game it's sydney brown is the 60b

i've been waiting for that anyway i've been surprised that it's still alante maddox yeah i think think that that could be an answer for them you know potentially the guy who athletically would make sense yes i you know because you might not you certainly don't want nicobie being that guy against jane daniels and i think that even bond i think could get out leveraged in those situations but Sydney's got that kind of explosiveness that he could do that. Now, they haven't done it at all in so far this season, but they also haven't played up, gone up against a player like Jaden Daniels.

The big thing with with Daniels, when he breaks the pocket, he is breaking the pocket to run. He, it's like a, I know going into this past game against Pittsburgh. I was looking at NextGen. When he broke the pocket,

it was like a, uh, in terms of next gen, it was like a record run rate when he scrambled. So it wasn't like that he was taking off to throw. Uh, he is running at a high, high rate. Now, this past week against Pittsburgh, they did such a great job of containing him.

It was the first time he did not scramble and run for and pick up positive yardage as a runner was this past week against Pittsburgh. But every other game, we've seen him do that. And again, it gained more EPA than anybody in the league, like well more than even. I think Jalen Hertz was number two and he was way out in front of Jalen. If I can just buttress the point about the lack of interceptions, this was him in college too. He had, I think, seven interceptions and 750 attempts at LSU. When he came on the map at Arizona State, I think it was like 17 touchdowns to two interceptions. This is kind of the way he's, he's been playing.

As far as the Steelers game, that was asked specifically to Vic Fangio, what they did to limit the running. And he mentioned, and this is also to Franz point, the way T.J. Watt and Alex Highsmith played as pass rushers, keeping him in the pocket. It's different, right? Because the strength of that pass rush is on the edge. The strength of the Eagles pass rushes is up the middle.

Yeah. So to follow up on all of this, about the Pittsburgh game, I watched the film of that last night, and I was surprised at how much man they played. And it was just very notable how much the Washington tackles did struggle. Now, both of those tackles will be different in this game, right? So to talk about, I just watched Dan Quinn's press conference,

and he pretty much made it clear that Cornelius Lucas and Andrew. Is it Cornelius or Lucas Cornelius? This is a good question. I think it's Cornelius Lucas. And Andrew Wiley, who we remember from the Chiefs. Now, Wiley, Andrew, that would be a cool name. That would be good. We'll both be starting in this game instead of the rookie Brandon Coleman and Trent Scott,

who started against Pittsburgh. I do wonder if it'll be Coleman still, though, because they were kind of platooning those two guys at left tackle. It was a left tackle rotation to start the year. The Coleman, they drafted in the third round. They had high hopes for him. And he started the last two games. I kind of think it might be Coleman, but obviously, you called.

You called. I noticed you mentioned that you think Lucas is kind of like a Fred Johnson. In terms of like skill set, yes. So the upside for Coleman is higher. No question. Yeah. I kind of like Coleman as a potential starter. I was surprised he fell as far as he did in the draft.

I was texting someone down in Washington who knows a team quite well and said, Flex. The Andrew Riley return would be a real big one for that offensive line. About the scrambling, now, we mentioned Daniel scrambles a lot. He scrambles once out of every seven or so times he drops back, which is the most in the league. And that's, you know, like the Eagles haven't played a quarterback like that this year. The Eagles have played maybe one or two snaps the whole year of actually having someone be a spy. So I don't think that would happen.

And like Fran was saying, Pittsburgh wasn't exactly spying him. Zach was there yesterday when Quinnion Mitchell was talking about how Daniels will take off if he sees a lane, whether it's against man or zone coverage and that the coaches have been emphasizing that they need to, quote unquote, play two downs against him, like one to stop the initial play and one to stop the second play when he starts scrambling. And it was really funny that Dan Quinn used exactly the same expression when talking about. talking about defending Jalen Hertz. Really? And in his presser on Monday.

So I thought that was funny. The one thing that I'll be looking at, like more carefully than maybe the rest of the defensive line when the game starts tomorrow night is Josh Sweat. He is often nosy and spikes inside and will let the play get outside of him, whether it's a run or a scrambling quarterback. So when Sweets in the game and he's going to be up against, whether it's Coleman or Lucas, like he's going to be up against somebody who he thinks he can beat, right? So he's going to want to use his whole arsenal of moves.

And sometimes that means that he gets caught inside. So that's something that he'll probably told to focus on not doing too often. It's a great point, especially regarding sweat because he does typically do that. And Pittsburgh was so good, just keeping everything inside of them. The discipline in the rush lands was really, really good. And just going back to like the want to pressure him, I mean, he's getting blitzed more than any quarterback in football right now. Number one in terms of how often he's been blitzed. And one thing that I noticed is just looking at his pressure numbers, he's a, he's fifth worst in the league,

an adjusted completion percentage, which takes an account like it removes the the drops and throwaways and spikes and all that. He's fifth worst and adjusted completion percentage when he's pressured. He's third best when he's clean. It's nearly a 30 percentage point drop under pressure, which I didn't like do all the numbers, but just kind of eyeballing it. That was the worst of all the starting quarterbacks in football, huge drop in that production. 32 scrambles when he's under pressure. That's 10 more than the next next quarterback. So I think that's where you can kind of invite the variance there is if you're able to pressure him. But again, you need to make sure you contain him while doing it. All right. I'm a follow up for that, but first we're going to take a word from our sponsors.

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I thought you were really banging on that. specific brand. Oh, no, no, no. I'm brand agnostic in that regard. I had a gift card and I used it on the Logalus hat. It's just... Well, then you had a gift card to a specific brand. Yeah, I didn't buy the gift card for myself. Someone gave me the gift card, Bo. And then I'm like, I went to the store and I was like, I want a black... I've been hearing all about these popular... Yes, I want a black mogulist hat. I want a black Logaless hat. This is a good one. I'd like the How could you tell them apart? Excuse me?

How did I tell that? Do they all a whole array of different black logoless hats? Well, they have some hats with logos on it, some hats without logos on it. I got them on without logo. It's deductive, deductive selection. Yeah. Okay. Before we take a look at the Superstatch, Dana is Julia has let me know that you have not

centered your swooper submissions ahead of time. Oh, that's correct, because I am here, Julia. Yeah, but she needs to get the graphics ready. Oh. Go ahead and shoot those over while I check out the superchats that we have here. Tyler says, Zach, any plans on ditching the techno-fascist propaganda machine that is X

for our new social oasis, Bluski? Isn't it blue sky? That's blue sky. Yeah, I'm on Blue Sky. Of course I'm on Blue Sky. Are you? Boe trying to make Blue Sky sound more communist for some reason. I like Bluski.

Yeah, I signed up for Blue Sky. I have accounts. I have accounts on blue sky, on threads, on X. Reasonably, if I'm being honest with you, I just have more followers on X right now. So if I'm trying to reach a broader audience, putting it on X, if there were 78,000 people following me on, or 86,000, I think it is, following me on, on blue sky, then I would put all my stuff on blue sky. But if, you know, this was when I tried converting the threads at one point or tried posting. stuff the threads. If you're posting it to like 500 people, it's not reaching the same audience. So that's, yeah, I will, trust me, I believe fundamentally you should go,

you need to meet the audience where they are. That's, that's partly why I'm here doing this show because I saw the demand for podcasts for video shows and we're meeting the audience where they are. It's hard. I've been trying to double post just so everybody knows if you want to follow me on Blue Sky. I am on there and I've been trying to post everything I post on Twitter over there as well and hoping that people follow. We also have another super chat from CDP who says

with Amazon broadcasting this game should Bezos instruct link management to ban fans cheering in an effort to avoid a perception of bias. Who are they asking you, Zach? Oh, they're asking me? No, no, I don't think

that I don't think fans you know, fans in this sense are the customers. And yeah, no, I think they want as many customers as they can. All right. Let's stick with this matchup because we'll stretch this one. Yeah. There's plenty more meat on this bone. Very, the passing game, very McLaurin heavy, right?

Yep. And then Zach Ertz is the number two receiver. Correct. Now, I do feel very validated by Noah Brown's performance there. absent. He's the right wide receiver. He's the right wide receiver. If it is that, you know, we're going to get so much Quinyon Mitchell against Terry McLaurin, what is like, what is facing the rest of the Eagles defense? I mean, Jaden Daniels explained it recently in a press conference to say that's wide receiver by committee. And they basically

just use those other guys and kind of grab back fashion. Noah Brown they use for, you know, his size. Alameda Zakias, former Eagle, they use for his toughness and his ability to kind of get open underneath. Diami Brown, who's been there for a couple years now, he's their vertical threat. And so they basically just kind of mix and match. Luke McCaffrey working down the seam, working the middle of the field. They use all these guys, you know, and they just kind of mix and match based off matchups. But McLaren definitely is the, he is the lead dog in that passing attack over the last, I think since week three. Yeah, he's since week three, he's had at least 90 yards and a touchdown and a touchdown in every single game since week three. So, I mean,

just very consistently feeding him the football. Dana is touched on the, the match up between him and Quignan Mitchell. Yeah, we're going to see a ton of that. What's really interesting, and this is from next-gen stats. So McLaren has been pressed at a really high rate, just because he typically is the ISO receiver and is always out on the boundary on the left side. So he's been pressed at a really high rate, and he's recorded a, I have the routes here.

So against an NFL high plus 4.1 completions over expected versus press coverage. Quinnian Mitchell, since the buy, I actually didn't realize this. So there was that, there was the game against Tampa. Yes. All right. And they go to the bye week. By that point, going into the buy, Quinyan Mitchell was pressing on 2.1% of snaps,

like basically nothing. Since that point, 34%. Wow. Like a huge astronomical jump. And so we will see a lot of press, a lot of press man, one-on-one single coverage in this game between those two guys. It'll be a really fun matchup to watch.

A good test for Quinyon. In that first stretch that you mentioned, Fran, you'll remember the Eagles as a team led the league in highest percentage of snaps where both corners were playing off. Yep. And that really manifested itself in that Tampa game where it just seemed like they were giving them the flats and also not tackling the guy. Right. And that has looked different.

Like, aesthetically looked really different since then. Yeah. Basically, essentially, I wasn't always like, oh, they need to press and that's the answer. I think it's more like, all right, like, if you feel comfortable pressing, like go up and press, you, you can feel free to be a little bit more aggressive that way. But the big thing is just not allowing all of that space that they did give up and then tackling them. the catch and they're doing a much better job at that. Number one in the NFL right now in yards after the catch per reception. I should say number one in that category since the by week, to your point.

With games against Jamar Chase, neighbors, CD land. Right, right. Yeah. We excel after the catch. And it's funny because as you made sure to point out in your write-up this week, this was like the big question about Queen on Mitchell coming in. Yep. Can this guy press?

And he's shown over the past a few weeks that he can. What about Zach told us about, you know, the Kingsbury running game? it's different. They have been very successful as, you know, per, per Danes' numbers. Third in the league in rush success rate, or sorry, second in the league in rush success rate. Fourth in EPA per rush. What kind of challenge is that going to be? Well, Brian Robinson real quick is hoping to play.

Yeah, I look, looks optimistic that he's going to play. He's missed the last two weeks and he missed a game earlier this season as well. So he was dealing with it. I think that's a hamstring, right? Yes, it's a hamstring. So I think when you're looking at this run game, honestly, it's pretty similar to when teams have to prepare for the Eagles. There are a lot of different layers to it. Obviously, there's the scrambles, and you have to take that into account. That certainly adds to a lot of

their EPA in terms of a rushing offense. So you've got the scramble outside of structure from Jaden Daniels. Then you get into the design QB element. You've got the regular zone read. You've got the counter read. You've got the quarterback counter read. You've got the quarterback counter read. You got the quarterback sweeps. All of those are plays that are in the playbook. Jaden Daniels said after the game this past week against Pittsburgh. He said, yeah, they shut the quarterback run game down. Like that was not available to us in this football game. So that, all right, that's a layer you take away. So you just have to be really, you know, gaps down.

The way that we've seen that the gap exchanges and things like that, all right. Well, if he's reading the defensive end, the defense event takes the back, then you need to have a linebacker or a second level defender scrape over the top of that and be present to be there to stop and corral Jaden Daniels. And so that's something that the Eagles will have to have buttoned up, certainly in this game. And then you have your, you're just typical run game. They're running at the fifth highest rate between the tackles. of downhill run schemes.

When they run their zone concepts, they are typically on a downhill track. When you look at Brian Robinson, that's his bread and butter. He's a high cut guy, runs through contact well. He's able to force miss tackles at a high rate. Austin Echler is doing a nice job so far this year for them.

More of a change of pace guy, obviously, but they got creative early on in the season. They don't have a ton of receiver talent. So they got creative with a lot of the different pony personnel sets with both he and Brian Robinson on the field at the same time. If Robinson's healthy, I would expect we'll still see that. and their screen game is really good.

So it's a lot where it's all right. You're going to run play action with Brian Robinson to the left and you throw a screen to Echler to the right. And those kind of plays will be in their toolbox in this game. So I guess the question, and I'll start with you, Danez, is given all of that and given how good the Eagles defense has been, you brought up to Sidney Brown possibility. Is this the kind of game where we see Vic do something different

in anticipation of a different challenge? We haven't seen them play a quarterback this dynamic this season. Or do you think he'll sort of stick with what has worked like you know if they're if they're very run heavy we're going to see more jordan davis than we have what do you what do you expect on that front yeah well this is a very timely question bow because last year big fan geo happened to have a game against jalen hurts and in that game i thought he had a brilliant plan to deal with some of the zone reads and the rpo's including one that led to a pick six in the second half i'm looking at my notes of that now

it was a it was a uh rpo zone read rpo with a pass and they had a blitz from the nickel right into Jalen's face, if you remember, and he threw the ball anyway, and then the guy, like, tipped it, and the linebacker caught it and ran it back for touchdown. That play and a couple of other plays in that game made it very clear that Fangio had studied the Eagles Zone Reed game very well

and have people in the right position to handle it. So the game that's making me feel the best about how he's going to handle Jada Daniels is the way that he handled Jalen Hertz last year. Now, the Eagles did win that game pretty easily in the end, but in that's also their best defense. defensive game plan. The defense was awesome.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was like Sean to size moment. Yes. But the, with like everybody out and everything. But, but no, it's on that side of the ball and, you know, the Eagles offense overall, like, had a good game that game. But against the zone read stuff in particular on that pick six and also on a couple of other plays, it was clear that Fangio had stuff called that exactly was there to take away those RPO's and those zone reads. And I noticed watching the film of Washington, they have some really creatives.

play action and RPO stuff off of the run game. They had like a trap RPO. I don't even know if it was an RPO or play action, Fran, maybe you have a better idea, but they threw like a bubble screen on the backside of a trap run, which you rarely see. I mean, like normally those like, you know, the run concept is not normally like a complicated double trap type gap scheme thing

when you're running those backside bubble screens. And they had stuff like that going on. So it's going to be a challenge like mentally, especially on a short week. Yeah, to your point, I actually, I put in my notes for this game about the getting into the pressure and containing Jaden Daniels. If the Eagles do decide that they want to blitz in this game or if, you know,

just using those exchange pressures that we've seen from Vic Fangio, I think it'll be less Bonn and Nacobie Dean up the middle and more Cooper to Jean or safety off the edge. I think you're going to see more of those in this game just because with when you face a quarterback like Jaden Daniels, you don't want the pressure to be coming up the middle to force him outside. You want everything to keep him in. And so that's what you saw from Pittsburgh is typically the rush came from the outside in. even with the tj watt they were lining t j watt inside and looping him outside because you want to try and make sure you you kind of contain him in that way so i'd imagine we'd see more cooper djean rushes than nicoby dean rushes in so much brann and graham just because he's so good at keeping that edge potentially doesn't get picky like you know what like whereas huff does no one has been pretty good at that too no i think nolan will be important in this game for that reason yeah well no go ahead i was just going to say this was a big storyline for fangio last year going into the raven's game and uh And it was kind of discussed when he coached against Lamar Jackson when he was with Denver as well.

Those two games, Lamar Jackson was limited on the ground, both those games. It was one of his worst rushing performances of the season last year, was one of his worst rushing performances of the season when Fangio played against him with Denver. The flip side is Lamar Jackson killed him through the air, killed him. In against Denver, he was, Lamar was 22 of 37 for 300. 16 yards. Last year was even worse. 18 of 21, 321 yards, five touchdowns. So there was a lot of attention paid to limiting him as a runner and Lamar Jackson killed him through the air. Interesting. They didn't have Cooper to Gene and Quignon Mitchell. Yeah. Anything else from Vic this week that's

worth hitting on. Well, I want to mention the Zach Bond thing. Is that deviating from? No, go ahead. Yeah. So this was interesting because we've spent a lot of time on the show talking about the evaluation of Zach Bond and saying was just the pro scouts. The founding staff was this Vic Fangio. And Vic Fangio laid it all out yesterday when he said, Howard Roseman identified Zach Bond, brought it to him as a backup edge rusher and special teams player. And by the way, when the Eagles signed Zach Bond, this was kind of how it was pitched behind

the scenes was this is a guy who can be, you know, an edge rusher for you. Now, they didn't meant the Van Ginkle reference did come up, but it was never like you're starting inside backer. So Vic Vanjur said he watched the tape and said, no, this is an inside linebacker. And he said, it's good that one worked out. What a call. What a call. Exactly.

Yeah. And then he also said that the improvement from on tackling is because they've emphasized it. And he had a coach one time who told him. Because they got to practice. I'm surprised. That's what he said. If you emphasize something, you should be able to do it. And they've emphasized tackling.

He said, Jim Moore told him that a long time ago. It's crazy that Fangio arrived at that conclusion. based on like a couple of plays where the running back motioned and so bond was on the end but then he like ended up being off ball for like the play or whatever and from those like three plays he was like this guy is going to be my number one inside line. And he said it from the beginning. He was the first guy he mentioned. Could also have been off the college eval too. Might be like, hey, I viewed this guy as a off ballbacker from the from jump back to Wisconsin. And you know, Vic Fangenture did say and I'm going to have a story in two weeks on this about, you know, he said he's best at evaluating inside linebackers.

And he talked about the guys he's evaluated. And he does have a really good track record with inside backers. This is a good writing tip that you do is you're publicly giving yourself a deadline on these stories. So you have to hold to it. It's good. Well, sometimes I create like artificial pegs. Like, you know, I wrote the story last week that I'd been working on on, you know, Sequin Barclay. And is he changing the way, you know, teams, the league views running backs?

We talked about it on the show. And I was like, there'd be a really good peg against the Cowboys, because the Cowboys didn't do this. I don't think people bought that peg too much. I'm thinking the Ravens, because the Ravens have Rokon Smith. That was one of the guys. That's one of the prototypes for Vic Fangio. The story could probably run whenever.

But, yeah, I always like finding pigs. That's probably the old newspaper guy in me where the Sunday Inquirer would be like a picture of, you know, Eli Manning versus Michael Vic. And it's like right about these two quarterbacks. Yeah. It's also why he buys himself gift cards. So we can buy the hat I thought you were going to talk about

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Okay. Anything else on this side of the matchup? Can we move on to the other side? Real quick thing about you guys mentioned Brandon Graham playing and Nickel and bass. Washington does play a lot of weird personnel groupings. Like they, 20% of their snaps are in groupings other than 11 and 12. They play 21, 13, 22, 10, 02, 03.

They have a lot of six offensive linemen stuff. So if Angio is going to have some sort of plan ready of how to match against all these different personnel grouping, some of which are heavy, Eagles have played base on double-digit snaps once this year. And that was against the Saints. That Saints came, right? Yeah, that was it. And 27 snaps of base in that game, no more than nine in any other game. The one thing they've done since then is that I call it the contained nickel package.

I don't know what you would call it, Fran. The three defensive tackles, one defensive end, and then it's just normal nickel behind it. Yep. they'll do that, but even that, they've only done six snaps in the last five games. So they did it 12 times against Tampa Bay. But since then, they haven't really used that either. I would expect to see a lot of that in this game. Could see that in this game, yeah.

Right, as a way to kind of both have Cooper deGene on the field and still have run-stopping type defensive linemen. And you mentioned Brandon Graham earlier. When they play the 3D tackle one defensive end package, it's almost always Brandon Graham with his hand on the ground as the one defense end. The only thing about it would be if they would be worried about getting to too much mixing and matching if they are going to go hurry up and play hurry up as much. Because just in case they catch you in a look that you don't want with that personnel group. That's true.

But the one thing to remember about NFL rules is that if they substitute, you can substitute. So if it's a matter of matching personnel, you can match it. But absolutely, if it's just a down and distance thing, you don't want to get caught in a in a bad grouping. The last nugget I had, Beau, just this was something that Sheel brought up over on the Philly Special pod. but Cliff Kingsbury and his offenses and his teams, how they have kind of been more first half oriented out of the season. I went back and just looked at those numbers. So in weeks one through nine,

he's got a winning percentage as a head coach and an offensive coordinator of just over 600, 600, 602. From weeks 10 on, it drops down to 281. Last year at USC, they did the same thing. During his time as the head coach of Texas Tech, it was the same thing. He was seven and 14. Weeks 10 and on at Texas Tech.

He had a better record than that in the first 10 weeks, or the first nine weeks. So just something to watch. Well, we're starting to see their regression. They went from Best in the League to 7th already from the first quarter to the second. This past week against Pittsburgh, they had season low 242 yards. They had five, three and outs. They had six punts. All were season highs.

Jaden and Daniels season low completion percentage this past week against Pittsburgh. Fewest rushing yards of his career. There you go. All right. Some optimism for the Eagles on that side. of the ball. All right. Now, Danes, as you said, the book on this commander's team early was best offense in the league, worst defense in the league. And by a mile on both sides of the ball, right? The EPA per drive chart that I tweet out every week, like they were resetting the scale

on both axes. Their offense was so much better than everybody else that the graph looked ridiculous and their defense was so much worse than everybody else that they were just in one corner and all the other teams were kind of in the middle. And since then, since then, Max boy, Dan Quinn. He's up turning around, just like his hat. He does always wear the backwards hat, like always, in all situations. I'm guessing he wears it to bed. Like, I mean, that's just his look.

They were dead last, like I said, over the first four games on defense by APA per drive. If you just look at the six games since, they're the eighth best defense in the league. Like the offense and the defense are performing at the same level since week five for Washington. They have the seventh best offense and the eighth best defense. And so they've just been kind of solidly good on both sides of the ball. And I think a lot of the narrative about their offense is awesome and their defense isn't that good is coming from that first month. The overall metrics still look like that because it was so stark that first month.

But if you have, if you want to use it when Clint Kubiak was laying the world on fire. That's right. That's right. And that's a good point, actually, is that like I know you want the larger sample normally, like because otherwise you get a lot of noise. But sometimes there's just like a very stark trend of improvement. Like I think for the Eagles defense, it makes sense to think that they're going to play more like the last six games than before the buy. And same thing here with the Washington defense.

They seem to have fixed a bunch of things. And Fran can get into the film like reasons why. But they're not the terrible defense that started the season. So we shouldn't think that this is just going to be like, you know, an easy game for the Eagles offense. Now it does seem like the one place where they are weak, or I guess weakest, Fran, is on the outside. and there's going to be no Marshawn Lattimore coming for them in this game, right? And so you would think, just looking at it, A.J. Brown and Devante Smith against these Garbonza Bean's corners is a big opportunity.

Here's what I would say. Yeah. Well, here's what I would say about, look, the Eagles are better. The Eagles are better. You know, I would take A.J. Brown and Devante Smith over their corners, no question. But what I would go, the word of caution I would use would be, it's the same thing about what we would say about those corners in Dallas, where it's like, oh, like Trayvon Diggs gives up all these yards.

The way that they play, I mean, it's tough to play that much man to man and be able to hold up consistently. And when you're not taking the ball away on the back end, like Trayvon Diggs and Duran Blan and the rest of those Dallas corners have, that's where it's like, all right, you don't get the positives on top of what we've seen from a negative standpoint. Benjamin St. Juice is a talented cover corner. He's putting a lot of tough situations. And yeah, like he's not a top five, not a top 10 corner in football. But he's a talented man to man guy. Mike, Mike Santer still is the other starter on the outside. side now.

Zach favorite. Well, Sanders still, he, he is going to be long term. He's their Jordan Lewis in this scheme, right? He's going to be their nickel corner,

especially once Latimore steps in, Latimore and St. Chus will be the outside corners and then they'll put those slides Santa still in. I mean, he's 5'10 and change, if that, and he's playing on the outside right now. They're taking a former first round pick and Noah Igbenogany,

and he's the starting nickel corner right now. So I think when you look at this group, the big thing, you talk about how much has changed for them from the beginning of season to now they really shuffled that group up I mean they were playing Emmanuel Forbes early in the season he's played eight snaps in the last like five weeks he essentially is a non-factor they were trying to cycle in a couple different corners Michael Davis they were trying to play him they really wasn't

until they said you know what we're gonna take Santa still we're gonna put him outside we're gonna bring in Ig Vonogne who was with Dan Quinn last year in Dallas as a reserve they've said you know what we'll bring him in as a flyer and now he's been their nickel corner and he's given them some good reps and so that's their third trio there at corner the biggest thing really is it's very, very similar to the Eagles. They have the third highest pressure rate since week five after posting the sixth lowest pressure rate in weeks one through four.

And in that span, it's been a huge jump and blitz rate over that span. When you look at Dan Quinn and Dallas, basically the idea was they're going to play a lot of light bodies in the field, heavy, heavy sub package. They're going to blitz a ton and they're going to play a ton of man coverage. And early on in the season, as they were kind of figuring out their personnel, I talk about the rotation of corner and what they were trying to do there. They were playing a lot of zone.

They were playing a lot more cover two. And then they said, all right, we're going to blitz more. Here's what our corner trio is going to be. And we're going to play more man-to-man coverage. So they're embracing that identity a little bit more there on the back end. But we thank everybody who is watching on TV. But you better get over to all p.hobite.com because we are like halfway through. We've got a long way to go.

Inside the Eagles locker room and even from from Joe and Hertz, a lot of compliments were going toward the linebackers in particular. What Bobby Wagner has brought that defense. And Sam 40 here from the Washington. Post actually had a piece that is right up Bo's alley. Bo would have enjoyed it. He, this is a compliment.

We'll see how I take it. Okay. He talked about the biggest jersey achievement gap by a number in like NFL history. Basically 54 on the commanders last year was a struggling long snapper. And now it's Bobby Wagner. So he looked at historically like the biggest jump from one number to the to someone else who wore that number.

you know whether it's pretty good actually yeah it was actually i was getting ready to not like it yeah it's a creative piece it was it was one that you did so shout out to sam there but i bring that up because bobby wagner has really stabilized that group and what now stabilized in relative term because they haven't been a great defense but what he's he's brought a level of um you know toughness intensity and just like uh wherewithal in there that i i think has been beneficial you know because when i've asked people about that group.

They say there's not a lot of talent there, but like they, they know what they're doing. They don't, you know, the mistakes are more personnel related than like these guys don't know where to be. They play really hard. Yeah. It's a tenacious group. That's probably a better way to frame it. The only team with multiple offball backers with 10 plus pressures.

So you look at Bobby Wagner blitzed off and Frankie Louvo has blitzed more than any linebacker in football and they'll line them up on the edge and they'll also blitz them from depth. I went back and just watched all of their pressures this morning in preparation for the show just to kind of get a sense of all right what are the some of the things they lean into and yeah you'll you'll see some double mug looks and so but they really i mean honestly they line up in just like a four two nickel and they'll just blitz one of those guys you know from depth uh it's not anything too too creative now with what the eagles face this past week and having some trouble against some of those double a gap looks it wouldn't shock me if dan quinn used some of that in this game with both louvue

and wagner on over top of the center uh just to see like how are they going to react um but that would be something to watch in this game but either way the linebackers are going to be involved in the pass rush. What do you worry about? Yeah, if I can just follow up on some of the things Fran saying in terms of the scheme and the tactics, I was, you know, I charted some of their game against Pittsburgh and looked at the stats as well. There are a lot of a lot of zone on early downs and heavier man on late downs. And Fran was talking about how heavy blitz they are. They're seventh highest in the league in Blitz now. And like Fran said, it went up in the last few weeks. Similar on early and late downs, 30% on both. But they do go from a lot of

cover three and cover two on early downs to playing a lot of man on late downs. And that cover two is often disguised, half inverted, where the nickel ends up being one of the safeties and things like that. And we saw Dan Quinn do a bunch of that disguised cover two stuff when he was in Dallas the last few years after getting his reputation as like the Seattle cover three all the time defensive coordinator. Just so people know, this team ranks 26th in the league in cover three usage on dropback. So it is not like your standard Seattle, Dan Quinn, cover three all the time as well. They'll play two-man. Hopefully we see some two-buster at some point.

A little buster. And then a couple of personnel matching things. Eagles have been playing a lot of 12 personnel, most 12 personnel of any team in the league. Against Pittsburgh, they were matching that with Big Nickel, with Jeremy Chin basically becoming the slot corner. He's one of the starting safeties. He will play the slot corner in those situations.

Percy Butler comes on into Chin's role as the boundary safety. and then Kwan Martin plays as the field safety. And in terms of matching up with the corners, they play boundary field with the corners. So St. Juse plays to the boundary, and the rookie center still plays to the field. And so if you want to get, like, AJ Brown matched up against one of them,

it's going to be kind of like it was last year where Forbes was playing, I think he was playing to the boundary last year, and AJ just, like, destroyed him that one game. So it's not going to be like the Eagles where they play left and right. Now, the defensive line, they do play left and right pretty much.

The one guy who plays on both sides really is Dante Fowler. The starters, Armstrong and Farrell will stay to one side. And so it'll be Armstrong going up against Lane Johnson and Farrell going up against presumably Jordan Milato. Now they are 27th in EPA per Rush allowed, 26th in rush success rate allowed. Are we thinking? Run the ball, give the ball to Sequin in this game? You know me.

I love Sequin. I think this is a game where you can do. I think this is a game where you probably do want to try and see if you can play some bully ball against this defense front. I mean, the amount of nickel that they play, I think when you look at their personnel, they are largely a smaller front. They've got a rookie now. Johnny Newton, who was one of the goats of last week's game against Pittsburgh jumping off. Yeah, I was not. I was a little low on Johnny Newton.

I mean, his pressure rate so far. I'm sorry. Why does he go by Johnny when his actually is so cool? Yeah, it's awesome. He's got a brother coming in the next year's draft too. I play wide receiver at Toledo. So, we'll be another one. Man, if my name was Djerjohn with like an apostrophe, I would not go by Johnny.

Well, yeah. So, but either way, Newton is a guy that I think he could move. I'm a big Duran pain guy. I think that he's got, he's the highest upside of their, of any of their defensive players. Still kind of feeling his way. I think through, I don't think he's having a great year. But I think traits wise is certainly there. Double teams have been getting the best of him, really for the last couple of years.

And I think that's an area where the Eagles can certainly lean into this defense is just kind of just pushing them off the ball, vertical displacement, those double. teams I think will really work in their favor. Just looking at a lot of their explosive runs that they've allowed, they've really struggled against duo this year. And that's been a scheme that we've seen. Because they're in the middle of the play texting you, is this duo? Yeah, right.

Is this duo or inside zone? No, I think when you look at the way that the Eagles can attack this defense, I think going right at them, I think will be a good way to go. I also think from the check. No duo last week. No doing a lot of duo in the earlier weeks. I thought that was interesting. I think from a chess match perspective, the Kohn Moore,

worth the Dallas thing last year. I'm sorry, last week was a bit overstated. It was more of a narrative than something that would affect the game because it was a different defensive scheme, right? I actually think it's more applicable this week. And what I mean by that is Dan Quinn and Joe Witt Jr. Joe Witt Jr. is the defense coordinator, Dan Quinn, is the head coach and it's his kind of defensive philosophy.

They work together with Cowan for a long time. That's a good point. They know each other well. So Kellyn, in theory, should know the soft. the holes in that defense, where they might be vulnerable, and vice versa. Now, this isn't Kellyn Moore's scheme. You know, it's a combination. But if there's anyone who would have a sense of Kellyn as a play caller, as a schemer,

it would be Dan Aquin and Joe and Joe Wood Jr. And then vice versa. That's a good point. Now, on the Jalen Hertz front, Zach, what do you make of, we talked about it. Now, you speculated that after that the game, two games ago, that maybe was in part because the cameras were there. but we continue to see this where Jill Hertz is now a little bit more willing to like talk ball. Yeah, I love it.

It's been great. It's like the anti-Doug Peterson, right? Yeah. Peterson won't explain it because you probably won't understand it. Yeah, no, I don't know what accounts for this, but I mean, maybe, you know, I've always thought Jalen, you know, is smart really knows his stuff. I mean, he's, he's, he's, he studies, like he's, he's, he's not out there on a whim, you know. And I think that he's really breaking down what he sees on certain plays. We did great back and forth with you yesterday about that Grand Calcutera play.

Or not I shouldn't say about the Goddard. The Goddard touched. Yeah. We, I was just, I was curious about, you know, because he said it in the game. Yeah. like the, when you're calling the protections, even if you're wrong, you're right, because you know where the weaknesses are. But I mean, in just the Jalen Hertz experience, what a, what a tool it is that he can just beat that guy and extend the play. It's, it's unbelievable. I liked his,

his answer to you too, where he's saying, you don't want to be thinking about it out there, right? You just have to sit and do it. Like, thinking will slow you down. So it's the, it's the kind of thing where, where you know the play, you know the look, and you just got to react based on it. said that he told de in well he could be wider on that play as as as as well right I thought that I think that was cockatara on the interception yeah he said the check down to Kenny would have probably gotten broken off yeah okay but you didn't say anything about where Kenny should be but yeah I thought it was interesting that like McLean asked him about the interception and his first instinct was like

why are we still talking about yeah and then even on that play he gave right some amount of insight like you're asking about a touchdown like that's a little right you know like but yeah I thought I thought it was really good that that He's been giving those couple of nuggets like here and there. And those two players related because as we talked about earlier this week, the Eagles finally willing to throw the ball from that area of the field. Yeah. So looking at the Eagles ranking in overall red zone percentage,

they are now up to 10th at 60%, which is above league average. For most of the season, they were in the low 50s and below league average at scoring in the red zone, despite being off the charts like over 93% at score. in goal to go situations. So, like, they were at one point, they were second in goal to go. Is that touchdowns in goal to go situations? Okay. Wow.

Yeah. Like 93% or something. The league average is 72%. So they've been awesome once they get goal to go. And not every goal to go is from the three. You know what I mean? Like, I checked that actually. They hope that they, like, are all their goal to go is from the wand or whatever.

And like a bunch of them actually are. But that's not, they haven't all been. And so it just shows that they've had trouble scoring from between the 10 and the 20. And then we could see that, right? We could see that with our eyes. We did a whole show last year about how the Eagles run the ball way too much in that part of the field. They don't throw it to the end zone. So I thought that was a good point.

Except against Washington last year. When they were guns blazing. Oh, yeah, sure. But I mean, but yeah, but just, just it was nice to see those, those. I did look up the numbers on just the designed run rate. And this season, just this season, so it's a small sample. But between the 10 and the 19, they're second in the league. in run rate, like 62%.

Last year they were 12th. The year before that, they were fourth. So if you just go all the way, the Siriani era, they're second in the league. So that is like, that is Nick's DNA there. If this weren't a short week, I would have actually kind of like redone the study from last year where I controlled for like yards to go

and things like that. And it was just crazy how much more they ran it in those situations where they were kind of almost clearly playing to get to the quarterback sneak. So, yeah, it's nice to see. And having got her back is probably a big part of that as well. Now, I know that you want to talk about just is Jalen Hurts good or not. Well, I said that I'm a little bit wary about this because I think that this is maybe just deflection for you to not want to be the guy who hates to take one parking anymore.

It's just ridiculous. And I'm not going to pull a bow. I know what it's like. I'm not going to pull a bow and claim that Fran hates Jalen Hertz. I don't think he does. Okay. I will say that the show on Monday started with like a X-ray and an MRI of every Jalen Hertz mental mistake. It was taking the request from the chat.

It was from the listeners. Listen, you can find a listener who can ask for anything. I mean, Bo's been finding the ones asking for nudity the whole time. So I mean, it's palpable. I think that that's what makes Fran so valuable. And plus he didn't have get to be so critical when he worked for the team. I think that that stuff is very good, and I love seeing it. I just think sometimes fans will nitpick on that stuff forgetting about the good.

And I know Fran doesn't do that, which is why I'm not going to say that he hates Jalen Hertz. I know he doesn't. Jalen Hertz is leading the league in success rates in Stabai, leading the league in completion percentage over-expected by a wide margin overall, has reduced the turnover significantly. I understand. Part of that. ever expected is the quality of the receivers. I think it's a little bit of everything,

but it's also understanding, like, who to trust and who to throw to in certain situations and all of that. I think the run heaviness has helped with the turnovers, but his MO has always been low turnover, so that's not something that I'm surprised by. He's been a clear threat in the run game. He's looked really good running. That's absolutely true.

Brilliant move by Siriani to mention the ankle last Friday. It seemed like Dallas was not paying much attention. He had 46, 46 yards on three scrambles. And a bunch of, you know, scored the touchdown on the on the bash counterplay he just didn't they didn't seem to be accounting for him very much normally teams will dedicate a scraper or something they didn't seem to be doing that uh throwing beautiful deep balls every week since the beginning of 2022 you can argue about whether quarterbacks or uh wins or a quarterback stat or not but people seem to be blaming him for the

collapse so i will say 34 and 11 people sitting one chair to my right the collapse 34 and 11 since the start of 2022. The only quarterback with a better record in that time is Patrick Mahomes. And Patrick Mahomes never had Matt Patricia or, you know, he had Steve Spagnolo running the defense on the other side of the ball that whole time. And again, that doesn't mean we shouldn't get upset when he makes a mistake or break it down or anything like that. But I do think that there's a little bit too much, you know, like, like the what's the problem with Siriani and Jalen stuff? Sometimes seems to forget that this is the, best stretch of winning in the in the team's entire history i mean they've won as many super bowls as

they did in every other year except for 2017 yeah i understand that that's all we're going to count no so the giants from oh seven to eleven were the better team greatest i'll say literally the same the same teams won the super bowl during that i think i think that part of the jalen discussion that you are underselling is is not just our opinion from the outside but the way that they treat him internally. And that is, you know, not even the stuff about like behind the scenes, dysfunction last season during the collapse.

I don't think that, I don't think that falls on Jalen's shoulders, but that there was a disconnect. But I think there are times when it seems like, and sometimes like the not throwing in the red zone is part of this, offensively, they feel like their best solution

is to treat him with a little bit of kid gloves sometimes. times. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that that's an organizational thing. I mean, they did that with Carson Wentz. You know, Jalen came in saying he likes being coached hard and all this kind of stuff. And it's almost like he's stopped thinking that way because of the way he's been being treated. I don't know if that's on him. I'm obviously not there in the meetings and things like that. But I don't know. I think some of the reason that both Siriani and Jalen get so much negative attention is the quarterback of the head coach. Yes, but they're also both kind of weird guys. Like they really are.

I mean, they're weird in very different ways. But like, you know, Jalen doesn't give you anything. He's very private. He doesn't say the things or act in a way that people want the quarterback to act in certain situations. And that's certainly true for Siriani as well. And I think that that's part of what gets in the way of their image, let's say. Fran, I'll let you defend yourself against these allegations. Well, look, at the end of the day, it goes back to there was the article that I wrote a few weeks ago.

And we did the whole episode about like what's going on with Jaylon and the past. past game and it was separating like Jalen Hertz is a bad quarterback versus Jalen Hertz is not playing well versus Jalen Hertz had a bad game or this is a bad play. Like there are all of those things are very different. And so, you know, just because you say like, all right, hey, he didn't, he didn't play well in the second quarter in this game. Doesn't mean I'm saying like, oh, he is, and I'm not saying you're saying this day is obviously I'm talking to the divisive side of the fan base that latches long.

Oh, now they're divisive. When they ask for a breakdown every Jalen Hertz mental mistake, it's like they asked for it. I like the comment in the chat that he's such a fan of your point. Stan is that he's going to apply to Penn State so he can take your class. Oh, that's good. That's good. But look, at the end of the day, I mean, this is an offense that is 14th in DVOA. They're 16th in turnover in like in terms of like the turnover stuff.

But their EPA per play, they're 10th in the 10th in the NFL right now. 10th, 15th in EPA per pass. 13th and past success rate, but then when you go to like the run game and that and those numbers are all much higher, like, to me, like he's, and that those aren't like terrible numbers. Obviously there could be, it could be a lot worse, but he's been a little bit up and down this season.

I've been one of the biggest defenders of Jayland. They even go back to when he was very inconsistent in college. I've always been a fan of his talent. I think that with given this supporting cast and where he's at in his career, I think it's fair to say like, and he would say like, yeah, like this is the standard I've set for myself. We've seen him play at such. at such a high level.

And that's why I get so disappointed when, in my opinion, like the scheme and the situation, like, it lets him down is that like we should be doing everything. We as in like an organization should be doing everything to prop him up and make things as successful as possible for him. So when they don't do that, that is disappointing because I think the ability is there that he should be performing as a top three, top five quarterback consistently in this offense. Well, to your point, I mean, this is this is a little bit simplistic, but break it down into the quarters, right?

Yeah. The run defense just, we'll do EPA per dropback and EPA per rush, right? The run defense on the team is ninth. The past defense is sixth. The rushing offense is seventh. The passing offense is 11th. Yeah. 11th is good.

It's insane given the way that this team is built that the passing offense is the worst of their four groups. And if you do the same exercise with DVOA, it's even more stark. I mean, the passing offense is 17th by DVOA, and that adjusts for opponents. So, and the others are seven. 11th, 11th, so yeah, no, you make a good point, and I agree that the passing offense should be better. Now, some of that is the games without A.J. Brown. Some of that some of that is the fact that for some reason, Kellan Moore didn't call a single play action pass

over like two weeks. I mean, like there's been like some weird things. I talked about like run outside zone, boot action, three level stretch more. Like run it. It works every time. They ran at once last game. And again, he hit the check down. And again, it got nine yards. You know, like, like, just call that stuff more. It will open up the other things. well and I know that's some of the stuff they're Fran's talking about and Fran talked a lot about Monday on how much ISO ball there was in this game. I haven't know and I can't ever tell why like it's like what about this defense made you think that this was the way to attack them when you attacked you know I don't know Cleveland with like so much so many more interesting Cleveland's not the best example but they they had games with more interesting route combinations the couple games before that why are you just having guys run hitches and seams like this this whole game against Dallas like I'm I don't have the answer to that either. And that's what I mean is like there's there's a lot to be, you know, there were there

times where I was watching the film on Monday from that game and I'm getting right. We got to break down this sack. And I sit in there like, I don't know what Jalen's supposed to do on this play. Right. And then there's, you go to the next sack and you're like, man, that's a bad turn down from Jalen. Well, why didn't he throw? All right.

So there's definitely both sides of the coin. And that's what makes it such a difficult thing to talk about. But I do think to, sorry, to Danes's point. It is a lot. it is easy to take for granted that he can throw those beautiful passes down the field like those are awesome throws like and that he can just make a guy miss and then throw a touchdown pass a dallas goddard like that stuff matters i just want to say regarding the passing game there there's always been this um like weird i shouldn't say weird just like fascination about like you know is

a j brown you know they need to keep a j brown happy and a j brown's it's like diva wide receiver kind of thing um when a j brown would say like devonte calls for the ball more than i do and i you know Because he doesn't get it enough. So that's what I'm going to say. I do think, like, I think behind the scenes, behind the scenes, one thing to just be cognizant of is Devante's involvement. And I bring that up, you know, there was a clip that was on one of those behind the scenes. You know, I'm miced up footages from a few weeks ago when when Jalen was saying we need to get Devante the ball here.

And DeVante was asked about that. And he said, quote, I was preaching the same message. Maybe he said, maybe he overheard me telling them. And he just wanted to let them know he was on the same page. That's very funny. Okay. And then he was at, he said, he was asked specifically about, like, not getting as many touches. And he said, yeah, it's tough, especially as someone who wants to ball and wants to be productive and wants to help the offense succeed. And he said that he can't complain about it, you know, when, you know, they have Superman back there running.

But he knows he needs to take advantage of the chances he gets. And then, you know, Nick didn't like deny that this is something that they need to be cognizant of. And then Nick's made a point, like even in his press conference today, he's. He's like, you know, we really need to recognize Devante when he has these great blocks when he's not getting the ball. I think this is something that their antenna's up that like they need to get Devante to ball more. I think you're right. I mean, it's kind of wild. He makes one of the, like, maybe the best catch I've ever seen to like win them that game and then it gets like two targets the next week.

Now there's there's game flow stuff involved. There are penalties involved there. Yeah. Sure. But it is like for a guy as talented as he is. Now, it's a good thing he's already gotten paid, right? Yeah. But yeah, I mean, of course he wants the ball.

Yeah. It's wild. He doesn't get it more, but it's also hard to argue that, you know, you should take targets away from AJ Brown. In that same scrum, I think he was asked, like, was it just before you caught that 46 yarder? Yes. And he said, like, oh, no, I was asking the whole game.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's also funny because when he's mind up, he's often, like, the cheerleader for run the ball. Like, we've got to be running the ball. So, yeah, he's like, say, well, because he knows he sets up the play action shots for him later. I also don't think, you know, the Eagles get to choose what,

what gets on there, the Eagles probably don't want to put him on there saying, give me the effing ball, right? Sure. Yeah, just set up that 46-yarder to Fran's point, the three first downs on that drive, the first first down was an under center play action, sorry, under center run that got 21 yards. The next first down was an under center run that got two yards. And then that 46-yarder was under-center play action. And so the way that you can set up that under-center play action on first down with earlier

first down runs the Eagles run the ball on first down more than any other team in the league and yet when they threw the ball on first down they run play action the sixth fewest of any team in the league that's within their passes oh interesting and it's not because they're not good at it they are by far the best at it in the league over 70% success rate when they run under not under center sorry just play action on first down the second best team is is Tampa bay and then the third best team is like all the way down to 60 So Eagles are by a mile the best first down play action team in the league when they do it, but they do it the sixth least. And when I tweeted this, people were like, well, aren't they good at it because they don't do it very much? Like because they run it so much. And I just want to be clear, this is not, this is just among the times they pass it. Right. They already pass it less than anyone else. And then when they pass it, they also don't use play action. So that's been, that's been frustrating. Like I'm like watching the game live. I'm often like play action now, play action now, play action now. And it's either like a drop back pass or just another run and it's just like this is the moment for play action and i actually thought like they should have used play action to get that last first down and put the game away

against jacksonville instead of uh running it three times and taking a long field goal and and leaving it to the defense can i grind this to a screeching halt sure you guys you guys okay to settle in for a little bit i had a wolfston idea that i tried to do at the locker room yesterday okay uh and this is another way of previewing this matchup really getting into the weeds of and the opponent. The command R's, right? Is who the Eagles are playing? So I was trying to talk to Tanner McKee about Apple commands,

like keyboard shortcuts, command R. Okay. Right? All right. You guys all work with your laptops a lot. I want to play a little game here. Right. Or just go around and then it has to be, it has to be command and only one letter.

And you can tell me, it has to be a letter. Okay. And we'll go until, until two people have lost. name any of anyone and what it does and well Zach I'll let you go for so it can't be command and like two other things that has no just one just the single letter commands so they're 26 Zach goes to Apple classes in his free time I know that I'm hoping to set him up for six to no I'm trying to think here um I mean yeah command C for copy okay nicely done that was one of the three the Tanderm Kee got it didn't turn out to be a good interview so it's not going to

okay but are we a lot to write down the ones that already happened I'm not going to yeah we're not allowed to cheat I'm not testing anything. I'm just writing down the ones that have been used. All right, you go next. Of all the people to accuse somebody of cheating on the show. Command W will close the window. Nicely done.

I mean, it's not that nicely done. Go ahead, Fran. Command X is cut. Okay. Command V is pasted, right? Everybody, you guys are all. Yeah, I'm trying, because I don't, I just memorize it. You can't use it.

Right, okay, Dan it. Z will go back. like undo yeah okay yeah this command this command R redo oh I think

it's not redo no no it's like it can refresh the page yeah I'm out I mean that's wrong guy doesn't know there's another one that's redo and it's not our

yeah I know he doesn't he doesn't know the opponent well enough he has not studied you are eliminated yeah I mean the only other one I know would be command shift four but that's not yeah That's screen shot. You know more than that, Zach?

I'm trying to think about in documents. I'm trying to think. When you're writing. Command V, I do. Already done V. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is tough. This is what you're doing in the locker room yesterday.

What is command A? Command A. What's Command A? Come on. Select all. You've lost. Yeah, no, I used to do Edit Selectal. Yeah, I can do a bunch more.

U is underlined I is italic Yeah Why is redo Yes Okay What else is that B? S is safe

Yes Okay Yeah O B is bold Oh command P is Brent Yes Okay Q

Oh quit Thank you I didn't even know that one Okay You didn't know Command Q I don't quit I don't quit

I don't quit I don't quit I don't quit I don't quit is fantastic Never command Q I could see that It's like your Twitter byline

my god, all of his apps. All of his apps. Yeah, we're not a Command Q family. Zog's next hot is going to be Command Q with like a red and 10th, yeah.

Okay. All right. So I win. Congratulations you won. All right. There's also E for eject. F for find. It's all good stuff.

Oh, fine. Yeah. Replace. Yeah. There's one for all of them. Tanner McKee. I mean, you barely beat Tanner McKee.

Stanford guy. All right. Anything else on the matchup besides for command Q? Command R. No, I've got nothing. I should say you should grind that to a halt. I told you.

Marshawn Lattimore's out that we mentioned that. We talked about that. Yeah. Their kicker is out as well so it's going to be Gonzalez again as the kicker. Mr. Gonzalez?

No, Zane. Zane. Mr. Gonzalez. Yeah, no, I think you, I think we've covered this. We should also mention too. I know we're more of like a film numbers show,

but from a narrative perspective, Zach Ertz is returning to Philadelphia here. Now, you and I have a show tomorrow We can talk about that. Yeah. Too much Ertz tomorrow. Yeah, Dallas Goddard said that, you know, and by the way, I don't think like Goddard

and Ertz had like the closest relationship. Right. So these aren't guys like talk about all the other times. Goddard was just like, when are you going to leave? Yeah. Zach Ertz from last year. That was their relationship. Like, you're still here.

Exactly. I literally think that's that. That's what it was. And I also think I asked Nick this today. Like one of Nick's early challenges was navigating the Yurt's situation because that was a weird situation that year. But Goddard was asked about what he thinks the reception is going to be. And he said he thinks people are going to be cheering. There's only, he's like there's not a lot of guys in franchise history who have caught a game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Right. So. Yeah. I wouldn't they cheer him. Yeah. All right. Let's get to Swo performance from Zach last week. he hit five out of the six things that he had.

The Eagles rush for more yards. Four and a half things. He had to have played him somehow. Eagles rush for more yard. No, it was still a full item. It was only worth a half point. The Eagles rush for more yards than the total yardage of Brandon Aubrey's

made field goals. You hit that. Jalick's Hunt plays at least one defensive snap in the first three quarters. You hit that. The Eagles defense plays at least one snap in dime and Avanti Medics does not play any defensive snaps in the game. Did not work.

A player is tackled on the star or a field goal is made from the star or there's a fight on the star. Not only did this happen very early on, and shout out to Julia for shouting it out in real time. The film then showed that Jalen Carter puked on the star. I think that would count it. And that definitely would have counted.

It's like Dave Spadero's biggest dream. There you go. Fran, sorry, Zach also had the silence of the lamb. C.D. Lamb catches fewer than 71% of his targets. That hit. And then, of course, the Eagles win the game. You got a half point for that. Four and a half points for Zach.

that puts you to 1.83 on the season. Trailing me, I'm at 2.83. Last week I had the Oceans 11. Micah Parsons records zero sacks. Didn't happen. And the Eagles win the game with garbage time to spare. That happened. I had one point.

Fran, you had Will Shipley outgains Kenny Gamewell from scrimmage. Didn't happen. The Eagles run at least six plays of under center play action. Didn't happen. They ran five. Josh Sweat records at least one sack.

Shippling was also nine yards away from outgating gainwell. The Eagles got a sack off a stunt. Didn't happen. Saquan Barkley reaches. thousand yards rushing for the season. Just missed that one too. And then you got a half point for the Eagles win the game. But you are winning at three and a half, three point three, three points, a half point ahead

of me, one and a half points ahead of Zach. If you have somehow made it through 90 minutes of the show and that recap and you still don't know what Super is, God bless you. Yeah. The three of us are going to nominate items to bid. And if those things come true, we get a. point. Whoever gets a point when the most points each week wins the week and gets a full point

for the week and it's a season long game. We all have 24 turkeys to start with. However, not always. Turkeys carry over. So I have 32 turkeys to start with this week and I will be nominating first. Fran goes second. He has 23 turkeys. Zach has 21.

And then we will get to the Danez items. Is everybody ready? I have 23. Zach has 21? Yes. Got it. Everybody. And I will be live.

meditating this in case anyone was curious what it looked like for me to type up Swooper. I'm sorry. I'm looking at my computer. I'm looking at my swooper. And then is you sent Julia yours. I did.

Okay. We will begin the bidding. The first item. This is a little tribute to our friend Vinnie Curry who is getting who's going to retire officially as an Eagle tomorrow night.

So I've got a bunch of items here. Zach loves a poo-poo platter. Any player in this game finishes the game with passing yards, rushing yards, or receiving yards ending in 75. Or there is a play in the game of exactly 75 yards. Or at any point during the game on the Amazon broadcast, Vinnie Curry is shown. And I will start the bidding at 1. 2.

3. 3. Now 75 yard plays are less common. this year right or it's got to be exactly exactly 75 yeah I don't think there's been a year in which those were come up oh yeah yeah that's all yeah on the first play from scrimmage that's a good that's a good point I always think of a Deshawn Jackson's 75-yard touchdown yeah all right three going once three going twice fran with a Vinnie poo-poop-platter I always enjoy a poop-platter yep

All right. Fran, you're next. All right. This one's cut and dry. Nice and simple. Jalen Hertz scores on a brotherly shove. Jalen Hertz leads the NFL in rush attempts, rushing yards,

EPA, and first downs on QB sneaks this season. He has recorded 17 touchdowns off of quarterback sneaks over the last two seasons, more touchdowns than any other quarterback, obviously, in the next-gen era. Or is the team calls that play, the Snoopy? The Snoopy. Ed Wren put a Kelly Green.

an eagle shirt that was his when he was two years old on his little Snoopy stuffed Snoopy. And now he says anytime there's a quarterback sneak, he's like, I'm meant to say this was a short week so I didn't get to work the locker room as much but listening to you or

but I was listening to this show of last Friday. I'm going to try to find out why it's called Snoopy for you. I'm guessing because of sneak Snoopy like most football things are like yeah, yeah. But yeah, I would love it if you asked. I think we need to clarify here. If they do do that little like move over a couple gaps does that count does he score if he scores yeah it's

good counts it's so any quarterback sneak any quarterback sneak yeah it's not just the the classic shove yeah if he goes if it's a fake play where it's like a they run like a sweep playing where he like runs outside that is not the sneak but if it's like the one from i for i forget he runs behind he runs behind tackle he just goes over my lot that's still that counts yeah that counts okay i can be the judge if you want yeah yeah I don't think we want that. I'll be the judge. I'll go four.

Definitely fair to make one of the players, the judge. It's not just they have to get to the one yard line. They have to get to like the eight yard line and then they're going to just set it up for that. This one you should definitely bid on. You at five or you're at five? I'll go six. Yeah.

Six going once. Six going twice. Seven. Seven going once. you're not bidding more on this book seven going twice sold to fran people in the chat are saying i didn't know the eagles called it snoopy so dallas goddard sleigh and lane johnson have all publicly referred to it as the snoopy that's how i know i mean but looking forward to zack's reporting on it all right zach your submission uh so this one here j one hertz has more rushing yards

than Jaden Daniels. And I will start the bidding at one. And this is based off of the fact that Jane and Daniels has not had as many rushing yards the past two weeks as we've documented. Three. And this doesn't have to be designed run. It includes strambles.

It's just rushing yards. Yeah. Four. Five. Jalen Hertz is going to be hurt by the three knees he takes at the end. Mm-hmm. And that broken ankle. And that brotherly shove touchdown.

I hope you help. by that. I'm going once. I'm going twice. Sold. To the handsome man in the middle. Danez. All right.

Danez, it's over to you. All right. Well, since I am here live today, there will be no normal auctions. Ah, true. Every single one of my auctions is going to be some sort of dynamic live thing. And I'm happy to be the auctioneer, Julia,

so you can have today off. The first... For the record, I have 27 turkeys, Fran has 13, Zach has 21. The first item is going to be an old swooper favorite, the increasing bid top two pay auction.

So someone will start the bid at one, and then you have to go up in increments of one. The last two people to have bid will both have to pay what they last six. said, but only the last remaining bidder will get the item. And the item is, the Eagles score a touchdown on their first offensive drive, keeping in mind that this has not yet happened all year. Juan, I understand this correctly, right? One going once. One going twice. Wait, is there

something here I don't understand? You have to, you end up having to pay 100 times what you bid. No, no, no. You, you, the last. The last two people who bid both pay. And only the last person to bid wins. Yeah. So right now, if no one else bids, you're going to get it for one. And if someone else bids two, well. And then no one else bids after that.

You pay one and you get nothing. Okay. Okay. Going once? Going twice? You guys are going to let them have for one? I think we're at sold. Sold to Zach for one turkey.

Wow. I think I did that well. Did I do that well? I mean, I. You ended up doing great because they're such cowards. Yeah. Yeah. I was.

The Eagles have recorded a league low, 26.8% success rate on opening drives this season, lowest rate by an offense in any season since 2019. Oh, continue to be the worst offense in the league on the first two drives by a mile. Yeah. I was afraid of, of, I never want to be in a situation where I'm paying for something I don't have. So I thought once I said one, then I am no longer in this game. So I was. You were willing to lose one for.

nothing but well no i just thought both of them would be bidding you they would just keep going on so i would be the third one and then i yeah so i was no i think it's fine but i think you're doing great for one yeah yeah okay all right all right mine uh relative to our discussion of the high red zone earlier jalen hurts throws a pass into the end zone from 10 to 19 yards away during this game and i'll start the bidding at two well okay throws a pass into the end zone yes okay Two. I already started with two. From how many to how many yards?

10 to 19. Three. Now, hold on. The ball has to... The line of scrimmages is the 10 to the 19. Right, but the ball, the ball has to end up in the end zone, whether it's caught or not.

Yes. Okay. Oh, can it be out of the end zone? Good question. No, a throwaway does not count. What about if it's through the end zone? Yeah, like if it's... If he over throw somewhere in the back of the end zone.

Does it have to just have an official target, or... Is it like, uh, yeah, I think if there's a target. I think it counts if there's a target. So like someone's out of bounds. Yeah. To a target. You overthrow someone. Yeah.

Yeah. So if the game book says it's to a player, then it counts. Yes. And that player is in the end zone. Right. Right. Got it. Okay.

You have three? No, I have three. Oh, you have three. I'll say four. Yeah. Um, I'll say five. Mm. Five going once.

Five going twice. sold to Fran right here's all right let's go to my next one here and that's the we talked about the reunion here

of Zach Ertz so let's talk about a matchup between two Super Bowl heroes Zach Ertz will be tasked with blocking Brandon Graham on an offensive play chip blocks will count

but if he's blocked if he is asked to block Brandon Graham on a play then it will hit we'll start to be just give them a little elbow they did they did run They did run split zone with Suck Earths. Yep.

Blocking at least once last week. Yep. They run all kinds of stuff. And he's just as good at it as used to be. We will start the bidding at three. Three. Does he have to make contact? Because he often doesn't when he's the split-s-foot.

No, that's why I said he's tasked with blocking Brandon Graham. So if he tries to block him, he misses. Okay. Yep. Four. I'll go five. Fran, you're doing very nasty work. You're doing a good job.

And now you're just gassing me up for no reason. I don't like it. I can't, I still can't get over the cowardice on my, on mine. Five going once. Five going twice. It's old. I'll take it. Okay, mine here.

Mine here is also a Zachert's item. And this is Zachertz has more receiving yards than Dallas got her. Oh, good one. Some context here, Zach Ertz is averaging 38.1 yards per game. Dallas Goddard is averaging 54.3 yards per game. Some further context here is that the Eagles quietly are among the best in the NFL against tight ends. So the only team in the NFL that has not allowed a tight end to catch a touchdown pass, even though they played against Kyle Pitts, okay?

And that they're among the top four in, you know, they've allowed the fourth fewest yards to tight ends, and they have allowed the sixth fewest receptions to tight ends this season. Also, just regarding this matchup, too, when we bought up, I forget who bought it up, Jeremy Chene and Zach looked like he swallowed three blue shoes. No. Jeremy, the one thing he does pretty well is defend the tight end one-on-on-on-one in man-to-man coverage, but any other facet of his game, I think you can go after him.

He does more than one thing pretty well, okay, but that is something he does. well. In the construct of that defense, what he does well. And then also, Zach Erich has already been announced a captain for this week's game. Even before garbage time last week, Dallas Goddard was not getting his regular share of the snaps. So two questions for you guys.

Do you think that's going to be different this week? And also, do you think the Eagles will dress a third tight end? Yes. I think Jack Stoll is going to be back. Do you think he'll be back and elevated? Yeah, I think he'll clear waivers today and they'll sign them, then they'll elevate him to practice squad.

Okay. Or they'll elevate him for friends. And if not Yuzama will be. For those of us who print tedious step charts and take them to the game, the annoying rule on this is that teams do not have to announce their moves until 4 p.m. tomorrow. There you go. So I start the bidding. I'll start bidding on one.

Three. Ooh. Four. Five. I thought I was going to get it for four. I got 20 turkeys left. You've spent one turkey. so far.

I'm going twice. Six. Dallas God has an angle injury. It's not going to keep him out. I spoke to him yesterday. He said he's fine. He said 100% injury rate in the NFL. He says if you're not hurt in this game,

he doesn't think you're playing it the right way. Speaking of injuries, you doubted the Bryce Huff injury. And now his, Vic Fangio said he doesn't have a thumb anymore. Yeah. He's got four figures. His fingers are dangling off of his wrist.

Yeah. I mean, he doesn't have a palm. I'll say this. If he doesn't understand what that means. If he's okay to play on a third down on the fourth drive of the game, he's okay to play on a third down on the first drive of the game. Okay, so. Wow.

He's sitting down too. Six going once. Six going twice. Sold. Is he being? So who got that one? It's weird when he can't rewind. How many do you have left about?

I have 27. That's what I thought. I was going to make sure my numbers, right? Okay. 14 left for Zach, 27 for Bo and 10 left for Fran. No, three left for Fran. Wait, what? 10, 17, 20.

Oh, yeah, three left for Fran. Sorry. All right. I tried, Fran. Sorry. By the way, so the commanders, the injury report is officially out. Nick Ballore,

Marshawn Latimore, Austin Seber are all out. Brandon, Coleman, Cornelius, Lucas, Andrew Wiley are all questionable. Okay. All right. So a little different. rules on this one.

This is a fixed price auction with increasing item value. So rather than the price changing, the item is going to change as we go. It is going to cost eight turkeys. No matter who wins it. Can we carry over? And what's going, yeah, you can borrow

for next week to bid on mine. And the item is the Eagles hold the commanders to X points or less scored in the game. So I'll begin at zero points. And I will keep going up until someone yells swooper. Nice.

The item is going to become more valuable as I go up, obviously, because it's that many points or less. And so whoever yells swooper first, we'll get the item for eight turkeys. Okay. Okay, it's going to be eight turkeys no matter what, but the number of points depends on when you yell swooper. All right, I will begin. I will begin at zero points. One, two, three, four, five, five, six. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 17, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22.

Swofer. Okay, Zach gets it at 22 points. Zach, I was going to do 23. So, good job. So 22 points? 20, yeah, 22 points or less. Yep. And it's eight turkeys.

Oh, he's inclusive? Yes. Okay. I don't know why I did 21 then. I thought it was fewer. Fewer. You got 22. No, so I did.

In this day and age of two-point conversions and everything. Yeah. Okay. 22 points or less scored in the game. All right. Go one, Dana. My last item is item number 12 will be the Eagles win the game. that's a good one

and I will start the bidding at three I can't bid three going once uh four five sack don't let them get it uh six seven okay thank you

I should have bid six yeah I wasted a turkey all right good job Jack you should let me have it at six because then you would have gotten these next two items what happened you got it for seven yeah yeah yeah I would rather have that one than the points one.

All right. So my last item, I was worried that you were going to step up my toes with this one, your first one, Beau. This is a Vinnie. I won't call it a poo-poo platter. We'll call it a woo-woo.

All right. I almost did the exact same dresser one. All right. So one of Vinnie's former teammates, Josh Sweat, Brandon Graham, Bryce Huff, Dariusleave, Yvante Maddox, get a sack in this game.

Half-sack count. Half-sack counts. Okay. Jack Driscoll who wears number 75. This is Rick Levato erasure. I mean, like, you can get a sock. Jack Driscoll, who wears number 75, plays at least one offensive snap.

Or a player does a wrestling-inspired celebration. Vinnie is the final judge on the celebration. We'll ask Vinnie in the post game. Okay, I need to. We will start the bidding at two. Three. Three going once. Three going twice.

So two. To me. Okay. Sorry. Very bad of follow. Wow. two separate Vinny Woo Woo-W planners. That's great.

And Wu-W is a wrestling term? Rick Flair. That's his, he's a woo. Yeah. All right. I know Vinny does that. I didn't know if he's, okay.

All right, Zach. So we've gone an hour and 50 minutes today, and we haven't spoken about the Jahan Dotson Revenge game. Right? Think about this. Nicely done. You might recall Jayhwin Hertz said that if it happens a third time,

it's precedent. So on players having big games against their former teams. Exactly. So this one here is Jahan Dotson sets a season high in receiving yards. Oh, good one. So he needs greater than 37 yards. So if he just ties it, it's not. Yeah, if he just ties it, it doesn't hit.

So he needs greater than 37, not equal to or greater. The Washington writers are like just glazing about this trade and about the lack of production from. I mean, they should be. I know. That is a huge talking point. Yeah. They're like, they basically traded Jahan Dodson from Rarshan Latimore.

Right. That's like the spin there. And Noah Brown. And we're going to start the bidding at three. Four. Five. I'll take it for six. I should have done six, my bad.

Okay. Yeah. 37? You need greater than 37. Yeah. That's a good one for you. I wish I had more turkeys. I wish I had more turkeys.

I planned on bidding on that one. I mean, Jalen's answer to your question about that, was not exactly encouraging for the same. How dare you? It was Zengaro. Yeah. I was Zengaro, sorry. Yeah.

Same height. We get confused. I would never confuse you to, but for some reason, the fact that you refer to it now, you know, mess me up. Okay. I wish I had gone more on an earlier one than that one, but. Okay. All right. Here we go.

Last one. All right. The last one, and this is also going to reveal whether Bo gets. Oh, gets a point. Do you want me? I'll just read it, Julia. Don't put it up yet. Ah, don't put it up.

The item is, the eagle. win the game by double digits. Oh, so does that count? No, it doesn't count. It doesn't count. I don't get that. Oh, interesting.

Okay. And this is going to be a reverse Dutch auction where you're going to say swooper out. So it's the one where I count up. And then you say swooper out when you're out.

Whoever says, whoever doesn't say swooper out gets the item and pays whatever the last number I said is. You guys remember the rules on this? Okay. So if you don't want it, at any point you can yell swooper out.

Eagles win the game by double digits going for one two three four you can borrow you can borrow from next week

and so if you say swooper out you're out okay five six seven swoop her out swoop her out okay so frame you get it for seven deal

I wish I had I think there was a path to the eagles blowing them out in this game I agree I do think there's a path happening. I don't think it's definitely going to happen. I think there's a path. What is that path? I think the Eagles run game going up against that defense. I think their offense potentially not having the teeth that it did a few weeks ago.

I mean, this Eagles defense is playing at a really high level. If they blow this team out, it's like, oh, it's the hype trains. It's all system. Yeah. It's a collision course with the Lions for the one season. Correct. Yeah. So if they win this game going away, it's good.

The hype train is going to be real. As it should be. Right. No question. Absolutely. As it should be. And, you know, one of the things that I've kind of been going back and forth with people about this week is that, like, this team is seven and two for the third year in a row. And like, seven and two are better for the third year in a row. And sometimes I think you can get desensitized to that and to start to expect it. And, I mean, to put that in perspective, I mean, Nick Siriani is the first Eagles head coach to start three different seasons, seven and two. or better. Period. Like, he did it three years in a row, but I'm not even

talking about that. Period. Greasy Neal did it twice. Digfer Meal did it twice. And that was it. It's a big greasy meal month on the show. Yeah, greasy Neil. I mean, well, that's who we're going to. But he brought his kids to the press conference. So, like, come on. Andy Reed started seven and two. That is so disingenuous.

One time in 14 years here. I mean, so it's just something to remember. If the Eagles win this game, they'll be eight and two for the tenth time, eight and two or better for the 10th time ever. That's going back to 1933, and three of them will have been the last three years. So it's an era of like just winning that's unlike any we've seen. And it can, and it's easy to sometimes to get desensitized to it and brace yourself for the collapse or, you know,

you know, things like that. And like Matt Patricia's not in the building. We have done a collapse. We have done such a good job keeping this show long that we have made it all the way to the breaking news that the Eagles have officially activated Jordan Milata from injured reserve. He will play tomorrow night. Nice job, everybody. Terrific. And now it's a good thing I didn't post that notebook that I've been working on all day because now I can actually update the.

Beautiful. Yeah, because if I had posted a few hours ago and then, so this is actually, this worked out well. Let me, a couple things to clean up before we end. Let me very quickly give you the full swooper rundown. Fran, in pole position, he has used all. He's borrowed four turkeys from next week, but he has five items. He has my initial Vinnie Curry poop-poo platter, which is things ending in 75-yard play or Vinny being shown on the broadcast. You have Jalen Hertz scores on a tush push.

Jalen Hertz throws the ball into the end zone from the line of scrimmage between the 10 and the 19-yard line. Zach Ertz is charged with blocking Brandon Graham on a play and the Eagles win the game by double digits. Zach has the eagle score a touchdown on the opening drive. Zach Ertz has more receiving guards than Dallas Goddert and the commanders score 22 or fewer points on offense and you have six turkeys left over. I have Jalen Hertz runs for more yards than Jaden Daniels. The item 12 is the Eagles win the game.

Big Garbonzo beans there. And I have Franz Vinny Wu-Wu Platter, which is one of his former teammates has at least a half of a sack or Jack Driscoll plays a snap on offense or somebody does a wrestling celebration. and Jehan Dodson has a season high in receiving yards of 37 or more, and I have 11 turkeys left over. We have some super chats.

Nicholas would like a quick recap of Windowgate from yesterday's show, which was a very funny episode. Now, Zach, are you familiar that there are big windows in this room? Yes, I'm familiar. So, familiar there are big windows. A few notes here, okay? This is not my, the, I work in, this in the media house media center at the eagles facility okay but where i do the show is a separate

room it's a studio i don't typically i go there if i need to be in if i'm taking a phone call or if i'm going on a podcast okay but it's not my room to control there's not i don't like touch the thermostat i don't touch anything in there i sit there that's why the backdrop is what it is is i think it's actually uh a network's room to use um typically the windows there is closed so I don't mess with it. I didn't notice last week it was open. By the way, this is the far one. Yeah.

Not the middle one, right? There's two. Right. Yeah. You're talking about the one that's against the building. Yes. In the corner of the building. Yes.

Not the one that has the monitor in it. Yes. Yeah. So. Yeah. This is the room where sheel and I used to do our birds of friends yes, exactly. Early on.

Which is. Exactly. And so I, I don't typically mess with what's in there. And I, I, yeah, so I didn't, like, it didn't occur to me that you would open or close the- Having been in there as much as you have. Yeah. I can understand not ever having lifted up the curtains for the natural light.

That seems reasonable. It's not your room. You're right. But to not even know that there was a window in there does strike me as bizarre. Yeah, I was probably overstayed. I mean, like, if, I'm. It wasn't like, oh my gosh, there's a window here. It was like, it was more the window was open, I guess, is that it never occurred to me.

So it's like blackout shades, right? It never occurred to me. They're not blackout shades. They're normal shades. Well, it's not like these shades here. We did acknowledge that there are windows in this room, but they're not blackout shades. There's something totally different. Sorry.

They're normal shades. It's not like a hotel blackout shades, but the room is very dark. I'll put it this way. If you don't put the lights on in the room, I wouldn't be able to do the show. Yeah. Okay. It's a really light.

No, that's not true. If the lights were off in this room, you'd be able to do the show because you would have. Yeah. Light coming. Yes. Okay. So that's,

that's what it was. And I did think it was relevant, given how much we were talking about sunlight yesterday to, to include it in the show at that time. But it's not like I was totally. oblivious to the to that to that by the way the injury report is out everyone is eligible to play devante smith would have been limited today but no one has an injury status so every player's healthy we have one other super chat from and true and by the way the chat has been uh from what i've seen

rocking and rolling today shout out to everybody who has been in the chat today for uh for this episode lots of good comments we appreciate all of you sickos uh this is for danis he says can we get a day in the life for you at home games. You bring your knox, your binoculars, a mole skin, air speed indicator, a barometer, hygrometer? What's a hygrometer? I have no idea. I do not bring one.

Two hours early. We know you bike. Yes. This could be, this honestly could make for a good piece of content would be, would be Chris just following you for a day. Do you want me to answer now or do you want to save it for a quiet day? Maybe give like one little tidbit of what your day is. I do get there as early as possible.

I am the first person through the gates when they open them up for warm-ups. When did that start? Well, so here's the problem. A hydrometer is an instrument that measures the humidity of air or some other gas. Day games, they open the inner gates at exactly the moment that they announce inactives. So it's 90 minutes before. Okay. Which I find a little bit annoying because I'm checking in actives like as I'm walking.

Now, and for the night games, they do it earlier than that. And so you're able to get in there, settle down, watch the kickers, kick their field goals, and things like that. The players are all out warming up without their jerseys on, which is kind of fun. But they've all got their headphones and things like that. So I watch that. In terms of things I take, I take my notes, my pens, three-color pens, all my depth charts and everything, my binoculars, my fancy, AM radio so that I can listen to Merrill and Mike on the AM station, which is actually live. They had no delay.

WIP has the delay to sync with the TV, and so it ends up being something like two plays behind. For a team like Washington that goes no huddle, it can be as much as three plays behind, so it's just annoying. And so I have the fancy AM radio. Now that means that I get caught up at security every single game. They have to check the radio. They have to check the binoculars.

They have to check the pens, like, make me walk back through and all of that. And at this point, I, like, know the people. I was going to say, you got to know the point. Yeah, yeah. At this point, it's gotten to the point where it's just like, they know the routine and whatever. But, like, I do have to take all that stuff out. So, yeah, so that gives you a little bit of insight. And, yeah, I always bike.

So it's easy to get in. Easy to park. Easy to get out. I don't know what's so funny here. I missed it, too, but I'm sure I don't want to know. I was cracking himself. It's the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the security guard. The guard just casually

Gave it away from the wand No, I have seen that one. I think that's what he's left There's no actual There's no actual pat-downs at the link I just have to keep walking through that The machine like over and over again Oh man

He's the Nicholas Morrow of the security guards My last question, Fran is I've been wondering He's really crying out of this. I didn't think it was that funny No, of course not my question is did you on purpose match the orange yes with the shoes yeah the orange flare on the I did hoodie with the orange shoes I was picking which shoes to wear and I thought you know what I'll wear the ones with the orange on that's drippy I like it look at that what did you say

that's a drippy yeah it's drippy that's my my son always says that's how do you do fellow kids yeah oh that's drippy yeah my son's I mean, I know that this happens a lot where we say we got to make that a drop. I do think we need to make that a drop. My son's, yeah, my son talks about people's drip. Yeah, your son's allowed to say it. All right. I can't say, okay.

So you got drip right now. How's your son's flag football end up? So they made the championship game. They lost the championship game. But he was real happy. And the next season started the following Friday. now. We're in the next season now, which is indoors. I'm not going to ask why I'm asking, but did they lose to the Panthers or to another team?

No, they lost to the commanders. Okay. Yeah, lost to the commanders. Okay. Command ours. Yeah. Um, I get, wait here. Command U is underlined. I will, I would love to give just one plug if I can. If you're still watching this, uh, the two hour, one minute mark. Mr. Pegg over here.

Yeah. Um, in an hour and 55 minutes, I will be at the Doylestown bookstore. Oh, man. Doylestown Bookshop. I will be speaking. To Pat Gallen? No, no, I don't think there's a moderator. I think I'm speaking for a half hour, 45 minutes.

I'll take your questions thereafter. And then signing books. So excited for that. Friend, do you have your book yet? No. Are we allowed to say? No, not the news about your book? No, not yet.

Okay. Thank you. Well, congratulations. Anyway. Claire in the chat says, my son says everything is suss. And I just want to point out that Claire's son and my son are

really close friends. They're in the same school, same grade. They were in the same class last year. And I think they broke them up on purpose this year. And a lot of times everyone will say something that Emily's never heard him say and she'll ask, like, where did you hear that? And he'll say that it was Claire's son

who taught it to him. So it's outstanding. Yeah, it's great. It's a lot of fun. All right. All right. Good stuff. It's trippy. So I was lit. Yeah, someone is, someone is going to have started listening to this episode who lives in Doyle's

town and they're going to start listening at about 415 and they're going to make it only to the very end to realize that they could have, they could have, they could have made it. By the way, I thought I was going to have all this time to write. I looked it up. It's going to take me an hour and 40 minutes to get there.

So I'll find a different way. All right. Well, that'll do it for this elongated episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. I think, Vince said he was going to set the overrunner for this podcast. I think we probably hit the over.

I'm guessing it was about two hours. So congratulations to all of us. Thank you, Dana, for spending your time your Wednesday with us. Thank you, Fran. Thank you, Zach. Thank you, Julia. Thank you, most of all, to the sickos in the chat. And, of course, to everybody listening and watching after the fact.

We've still got another show tomorrow before the game at 2 o'clock. That'll be Zach and me. And then, of course, the full game day experience, kickoff show beforehand. with Fran and Jamie. We've got to watch along. So you can watch the game, if you are not fortunate enough to ride on Dana's bike to the game.

You can watch the game alongside us here in the studio. And then there's a halftime show. And then there's a post-game show with Jamie, Fran, Vinny Curry, who is being honored tomorrow. What a big game it's going to be for NFC East supremacy.

We're going to find out if this Eagles team is for real, for real, if they've got that drip. So thank you for all. of you for watching and listening. We will talk to you plenty of times tomorrow. And as always, we love you.