PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Were Eagles ahead of the new curve in the NFL, the rushing trend? Saquon Barkley & offense examined

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Saquon Barkley is taking the NFL by storm with his new Philadelphia Eagles team. The Eagles are just behind Lamar Jackson & Derrick Henry as the 2nd most effective running team in the league this seas...on. Both were big time off-season acquisitions. The PHLY Eagles show will examine if running the ball is now the new hot trend in the NFL this season.Zach Berman joins from the Novacare Complex after head coach Nick Sirianni had a press conference earlier today. Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry joins the show to talk about the emerging defense & how big of an impact rookies Quinyon Mitchell & Cooper DeJean are having. Does “Uncle” Vic Fangio have this defense turning a corner, we’ll explore. Plus, Jerry Jones & the Dallas Cowboys have some unpleasant things said about them by former players! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, everyone. Welcome in to the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast presented by our friends at Bet365. Find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Use the code P.HLY. 365 at sign up. And boom, get yourself into $200 bonus bets. And Rich had people had that free money last weekend from Bet365. They could have turned into some nice winnings with some alternate lines on the Eagles, some Sequin Barkley touchdowns and overunders. The Eagles dominated since we last saw each other on Sunday. It was great, man. It was awesome. Well, and it was also just normal, too. It felt good. It feels good to be here on a Wednesday and not have to psychoanalyze. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Right? Like, we can just, like, look back at the last game, which was fun. And we can look forward to the next game, which we hope is going to be fun. At least on paper, it should be a nice little matchup, nice little test to see if this defense has taken the strides that we think we've seen over the past few weeks. Yeah. Well, there is the issue of horrible quarterback play in Daniel Jones and Sean Watson. Yes, Joe Burrow is a much different test. But Nick Siriani did speak earlier today.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Zach Berman's going to be joining us shortly from the Nova Care Complex. And then Vinnie Curry is going to be joining us at 240 to talk about that Joe Burrow and, you know, what he poses for the defensive line. But one of the themes we're going to get into today was actually the first question of Nick Siriani's press conference. So why don't we bring them in holding the big. shield of journalism down at the Novacare complex. Zach Berman joins the show. Zach, what's up, buddy? Hey, doing great. Good to see you guys.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Look at this. No audio issues right off the bat. And Zach, we will get into Nick Siriani and kind of this new trend of the Eagles. But first, I have to ask the most pressing question. How was Larry David last night? It's always good to see Larry David, right? I mean, you know, you have to keep your expectations in check. It's not like I'm seeing a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. But whenever you're in the presence of Larry David, it's awesome.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It's cool being at the Met. I saw some listeners. I saw some friends. So, yeah, it was a cool experience. Now, it wasn't, you know, I didn't have some of the laughs that I had like a curb episode, but he was authentically Larry, so it was awesome. Yeah, I think they called it an evening with Larry David, which always kind of sets the bar a little lower of the LOLs you're going to get.
Starting point is 00:02:25 But, Zach, before watching Nick Siriani, I set up the show today in our sheet. and the theme I wanted to talk about was, is running the ball in the NFL the new trend? And was Howie Roseman and the Baltimore Ravens a little bit ahead of this curve, or are they lucking into this because of who they brought in? But there's a lot of talk this week about Sequin Barclay's kind of open market value
Starting point is 00:02:47 compared to some wide receivers in the NFL and basically the output you're getting. Sequan joined some rare company for six weeks with a team. Nick Siriani was asked about it right off the bat. What did you think? Yeah, so it's a good question. And I think the succinct answer to your question is Sequin Barclay and Derek Henry are really good players, right? And so I would rather have Seqaun Barclay at the price that the Eagles have him than Gabe Davis at the price the Jags have in.
Starting point is 00:03:13 So I understand the Eagles rationale and they thought that the running back market was maybe a bit depressed, if you will, and that they could get value. So Nick kind of talked about how you need to be able to, how you need to be able to do what it takes to win that game. And last week, it certainly made sense for the Eagles to run the ball, given the fact that they're playing with the backup left tackle, the Giants led the league in Sacks. Seekwon had this return game. But I'm not one of these people, and I understand this is a popular conversation this week. I'm not one of these people who say, this is the Eagles formula. And I've said this on the PHI Eagles show, and I said this on Anthony's show, and I'll say this on Anthony's show. stick to it, is that if you want to know what a team values, look at how they spend their money.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Eagle spent $200 million this past off season, roughly $200 million on A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith. And they have a $250 million quarterback, right? This team, for it to be what it needs to be or what it's going to be, it's with Janwin Hurts, AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, and Dowell Scott will put him in there. Sure, but that's 22nd in the NFL in passing. There's some clear holes there. So it's like, it becomes the issue of, do you do what you do? do best or do you try and force something that isn't the best? It's an interesting pivot point
Starting point is 00:04:28 in the season here. No, you're right. And look, the passing game needs to improve. They need to be better on third downs. I don't think the 2024 Eagles are going to turn into the 2021 Eagles, if that makes sense. The 2021 Eagles basically determined that their way of winning games was by running the ball with Joan and with Miles Sanders and with that offensive line, I should say. If the Eagles pivot to that going forward here, then I think Jeffrey Lurie is going to be really disappointed. And I don't think Seyquan Berkeley was brought in here to be the offense. He was brought in here to bolster the offense, not to be the offense. So Rich, hold on I just want to continue this for one second. It's something interesting you said there. Jeffrey Lurie would be upset, but what if the
Starting point is 00:05:12 results are positive? Like who gives you to death if you're made success on the field, right? He loves passing. I know he loves passing and Lane. And this happened in Green Bay a couple years where signaling to the sideline, let's run the ball, let's run the ball. I know he wants what he wants, but if it's not what you do best, like, I know this seems to come up every year. Shouldn't you just be happy with wins at the end of the day? Yeah, but I think there's difference between winning on a Sunday and winning during the season. And I don't think the Eagles are going to be the team that I don't think they go deep in January,
Starting point is 00:05:48 February, without AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, Gail and her. leading the offense. I think they're going to need to run the ball, and they're going to run the ball, and you know they can run the ball. But I think this is going to be a team that does need to, that needs to pass the ball effectively and well and often to be what they're capable of being. Sure. And Rashad Bateman and Zay Flowers and, you know, Baltimore has a passing attack.
Starting point is 00:06:12 It's not like they neglected, but they do something better than everyone in the NFL right now. And they look like they're prime to go on a Super Bowl run. Why can't that be us? Well, it can be the Eagles. It certainly can't be the Eagles. And I think Sequin is going to be a big part of that. But you watch that Ravens game the other night. It was not just Derek Henry running the ball.
Starting point is 00:06:35 It was like you mentioned, Sey Flowers. I mean, Lamar Jackson was outstanding. So, yeah, so I think when this team is at its best, when his offense is that's best, think about week one. Week one, Seekon went over 100 yards. Sequin was a force in the running game, but AJ was also over 100 yards. Devante Smith scored and had, what, 70, 80 yards in that game. I think that it needs to be all the above.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Like, the offense played well against the Giants. I don't think that they're a 40-point offense throwing the ball, you know, 14 to 20 times a game. They need jailing to be a 250, 300-yard quarterback every week. Zach, I'm wondering because I think. what's been stunning to me about the running game is just like the big plays they're hitting it's what you mentioned the other day the 40 plus yard plays like I believe they lead
Starting point is 00:07:28 the league in 40 plus yard runs like you don't usually think of yeah you know when you think of those those monster explosive plays like you think of AJ Brown you know getting behind the defense or something like that but Sequin is really I mean with the better blocking of this line it feels like he is really
Starting point is 00:07:44 taking advantage and the theory of the signing that if you put him in running behind the Eagles offensive line versus the Giants line, then he might be able to make the guys of the second level miss. I guess my question is, do you think, and this might make them a slightly more pass heavy team, do you think teams are going to start to adjust to that a little bit and say, like, man, we really got to do the Jim Schwartz thing where we just say, this guy is not beating us, because like if we let him get to the second level, he's going to rip off at least one of those 50-yard runs.
Starting point is 00:08:14 You propose a good point. And yeah, I do think if, if J-Wen is inconsistent throwing the ball, you will see teams. teams take the approach that Cleveland did, which was bottom up the run, stop the run. But then in that game, like you saw AJ one-on-one, and the Eagles are going to try to take advantage of it. And I, you know, it's a good question, what defenses do. And this whole conversation makes a lot of sense, given how good Eagles are running the ball. I don't think it's being a past first team or run first team.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Like, I don't think that's the conversation. I think it's both. And I think what Nick says, you have to do what. it takes to win that week is accurate. But I also think that the best offenses, those things work off each other. For the reason you just asked, Rich, if a team's bottling up the run, then that means you have typically A.J. Brown and Dan Devante Smith in one-on-one situations, maybe the safety's in the box.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Cleveland played a lot of single high safety, right? And you can take advantage of that for the air. If teams are saying, we're not going to let you beat us deep, you know, we're going to we're going to play two deep safety here. We're going to not let AJ get behind the corners. Then that gives more space for Sequin to operate. The reason why Sequan's here is to bring the offense to a different level. Eagles looked at their running game the past two seasons, past three seasons, really.
Starting point is 00:09:37 But I isolate the past two seasons because they had 1,000-yard rushers both years. They had Pro Bowl running backs both years. And the Eagles thought there was more meat on the bone. And what you're seeing is that's absolutely the case. Sequan's doing things that Miles Sanders and DeAndre Swift didn't do. But for this offense to look like it did in 2022, J. Owen Hertz needs to look like he did in 2022. AJ needs to look like, well, AJ is looking like he did then.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Devante Smith needs to play like he did then as well. Yeah, I think that's why it's, you know, an interesting time in the season to have this discussion because, you know, I'm pretty dumb and I like to keep things. No, you're not. And if I do something really well and better than most, I like to lean on that. And we kind of talked a little bit after the game on Sunday. Like it's not meaning you abandon the passing game because obviously as you point, you know, you're not going to neglect A.J. Brown.
Starting point is 00:10:26 The guy's a freak. Devante Smith is incredible. But like should they be a run first past second team? Should they lull teams to kind of sleep a little bit with Sequin and then hammer them? You know, we've seen a lot of these first quarter woes like just throwing four vertical routes in a row and throwing it up and Hoban AJ comes down with it. I just, I almost wish their identity was to kill teams with Sequin and then boom, counter it and kill them with AJ and Devante secondly.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I don't think the past should set up the run. I think the run should set up the pass with this offense from what I've seen with Jalen Hertz this year. And I guess that's why I think it's an interesting discussion. And I think we, Lori said this conversation was too hot, cut the Wi-Fi at the NovaCare. We'll see if we can get Zach back there. but like look
Starting point is 00:11:15 some people might think this is still two sports radioe but like the whole idea of Jeffrey Lori caring about well there was the one game where I think they won in Green Bay it was Green Bay and Lane Johnson and Kelsey were going
Starting point is 00:11:28 run the ball literally going to the sideline like let's run it let's run it it was a great win and he got a test and I think it was Zach and Bose reporting in the athletic probably was that said that Jeffrey Larry was just not happy and he brought Doug back in his office
Starting point is 00:11:43 office after that one. So that's not how we win. See, that is wild to me, right? Like, who cares how you win? We all know how winning is hard in the NFL. And trends are cyclical. You know what I mean? Like, they go in and out.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And one of the things I'm looking at right now is just team success in the W's column and how it compares to their running attack. And there's a correlation there this year through now what's approaching 40% of an NFL season. You know what I mean? So, like, if I was an owner, I just simply wouldn't care. as long as the team won. No, Jamie, I think you have to be good at both.
Starting point is 00:12:18 But I think... Yeah, absolutely. And I'm not saying abandon the past. Like, that's crazy. The thing that Zach said that stood out to me because I had a ton of fun at the end of that 2021 season. They were just pound on the rock. Jalen was a better runner back then to, like,
Starting point is 00:12:32 he was just a more dynamic player. He had that one run against New Orleans where he put his foot in the ground. Just completely jute that guy out. I don't really think he's capable of that. Now, maybe if he gets going just straight down, Hill. But anyway, that was a really fun team in part because they're doing what we hope this team does this year. They improved, right? And the first part of the year, they were terrible, right? Yeah. And Siriani, he gets off the sticks. He lets Shane Steichen call a bunch of runs and they get
Starting point is 00:12:58 better. Yeah. So that was a lot of fun. But to Zach's point, once they got to the playoffs and they played that Tampa team, the passing attack was not sophisticated enough. They just, like, like Todd Bulls threw all those blitzes at June. I believe he was trying to make him throw to his left a lot in that game and it did make me think like okay that was a lot of fun but there's a lot of work that needs to be done here now it's funny the next year they uh they were a championship caliber team i know they did not win but they were as close to winning as possible is that yeah and zack's back with us you know i do think it's a fascinating discussion point because yeah look you're going to need to win the division zack so like i i know jalen needs to improve there's a lot that fran and you
Starting point is 00:13:37 and beau have covered about why uh he's struggling in certain areas but for the time being like Like, you kind of need to stack wins a little bit here and worry about the commanders and the NFC East because the NFC East North is loaded. And maybe you have a shot at one of those extra spots. Maybe you don't. So, like, to me, it's like, start stacking those Ws. Who cares philosophically right now what you are. Do what you do best. I don't think it's a, I hear, yeah, it's a great conversation because I don't think it's as much like past the ball because they're
Starting point is 00:14:13 philosophically inclined to do it. It's it's passed the ball because in theory, but I think you can think in in practice, it's easier to put up points and chunks and get yards and chunks when you pass the ball. Then when you run the ball, right? You know, Rich brought it up. Well, like, I, I don't think Sequant's going to be going for 50 yards of runs every single week. Impressive. Yeah. So, so I, so I so, but the conversation like I would frame, I, I don't like when it's framed either or. It's kind of like if it's either or yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:47 It's like, you know, it's like when you look at the, like the early 2000 Lakers, right? You can say, why don't you just throw the ball into Shaq every time in the post? It's a good philosophy. Well, yeah. But then when Shaq's doubles, right, you also need Kobe to score on the perimeter. So it's, it's, or we can talk about the Sixers now, right? Like, yeah, there are going to be games. when it's just throw the ball into Embed and let Embed put up 50 when Embed plays, right?
Starting point is 00:15:17 But it needs to be more than that. And I think that the same way when you say, all right, to win in the NBA, if I keep using that reference is you need three-point shooters because three points is more than two. In the NFL, it's not just like conventional wisdom. It's, it's, you know, passing is more effective than running because 10 yards is more than five, right? But to that conversation, Zach, real quick, the part that gets left out of that is when you have an effect of rushing attack, maybe you're keeping the other team's offense off of the field less. You know what I mean? Like maybe your defense isn't set up to be a quick attack scoring offense.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Like sometimes there has to be a symmetry there between offense and defense. And like, to me, like if the Eagles defense struggled, now look, they've looked great the last two weeks, maybe you want to keep a Cincinnati offense off the field more. And maybe this should be a rushing attack a game again to keep Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow off the field. You know, like that's the other part of it. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I think it's a bad sign. I disagree with you. I think it's a bad sign. I think it's a bad sign if your plan with the offensive weapons you have, if you're saying let's try to limit possessions, right? And the thing with that too is by. running you naturally do that it's not like you know a forced effort too is my point yeah but i'm saying
Starting point is 00:16:46 i'm trying to get around that anthony but yeah like you know did anthony say the quarterback he said he said you need a quarterback and i said yeah that's what i'm trying to get around here yeah he is he is he is absolutely right you know if if like your game plan is to hide your quarterback which by the way that's that's what it was in 2021 in 2021 they looked at it and they're like the way to win games to your point Jamie it's like it's not about what this looks like at the end of the season it's like how can you win that Sunday and away from the win each game was to run the ball effectively and consistently control the game at the line of scrimmage but that team was not nearly as talented as this team so yeah I mean I'm not I'm not saying like they're paying
Starting point is 00:17:32 200 million dollars to AJ Brown and Devante Smith sure because like because Jeffrey Laurie wants to pass the ball it's because those guys are really good wide receivers like the way you're discussing the way you're discussing jemar chase and t higgins should be the way teams are discussing the fell off eagles it should be yeah so so when when if if an opponent is going into the eagles game and they're not worried enough about 11 and 6 then that is a problem if it's like like to me sequas should be able to get his yards because teams don't want a j brown devontes smith and jow and hirks to beat them if teams are inviting jay one hurts to beat them, then that says more about,
Starting point is 00:18:12 then I'll put it this way. I don't care how good Sequin is, they're not a Super Bowl team. If J-Lan's not good enough, they are not a Super Bowl team. That's been the point we've been dancing around, I would say, here the whole time. Yeah, kind of. You know, look, I'm talking about winning this week's game. And I think Sequin Barkley right now with how the Eagles offense is performing gives you the best chance to do so as the
Starting point is 00:18:33 primary feature. And look, it's the NFL. It's 60-40. It's never 50-50. But he's saying that, you know, okay, you might be able to win this week's game, but when you get deeper into the season, you know, every game. That's assuming he can turn a corner. And I'm getting to a point where I hope you can. I'm seeing enough to, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:50 inefficiencies in this offense in the throwing game where I'm starting to question it. Can he rebound and be the jailing we saw two years ago? So like that's kind of what I'm getting at is the concerns are starting to speak louder in my brain. Well, yeah, there are no questions about that. He needs to play better. without a doubt. And I think the way, if, look, if Kellmore and Nick Siriani asked me and
Starting point is 00:19:15 Kellamore and Nick Siriani are not asking me, I would say get that, get jail in layups, right? Like, it can't just be. So, yeah, you have Devonte Smith, you have AJ Brown. When I was, I was at training camp every single day. What jumped out to me at training camp? Short efficient passing. Jail was getting rid of the ball quickly. Okay. It wasn't, they were. weren't going deep as often. But the reason why Gelen wasn't throwing interceptions then is it was like quick timing passes across the middle and quick timing passes to the back shoulder. You know, it was like timing, precision, you're leaning on these outstanding wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:20:00 I haven't seen enough of that. I've seen, frankly, too often where you're stretching the field. And I get there are times when the coverage dictates it. And AJ Brown might be playing better than any wide receiver in the NFL right now. But I think the way for Jowen to, I don't want to say get out of this funk, because that might be overstating it. But for Jalen to be more efficient is by getting him layups and him hitting the layups. So you be one last one, because I'm going to end this discussion here. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:30 I'm enjoying this. I'm enjoying this. One last one for you. just because you have the inside the locker room perspective on this. And I'm just hoping, like, look, they played two really crappy quarterbacks the last two weeks. Yeah. But they played really well against them. And I'm wondering, just because of kind of the young nature of the defense, all the Georgia guys in the front seven, you got Quinyan Mitchell and Cooper DeGine in the secondary, do you sense that these guys have started to gain a little bit of confidence just from your interactions with them?
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah, good question. Yes, number one and two. And Vic Fangio said that, you know, speaking to Vic Fangio, he said this yesterday. Like, it would make sense in a new scheme that as a season goes on, you're better at it, right? And especially for a lot of these guys who are unfamiliar at it, who are just, you know, when it's their first time in a lot of these cases playing like this volume of snaps, that it would make sense that you would be better week seven than you were week one. And it's going to. continue that way. Now, you hit it on the head, too. The defense is going to look different against, I would imagine, Joe Burrow than it looks against, uh, against Sean Watson and Daniel Jones. Now, now that said, I should also say Joe Burrow went to the Super Bowl a few years ago, the fewest points he scored that season was against Vic Fangio's defense. Bengals won 1510. Um, so Vic Fangio is going to have something up his sleeve here. But, uh, yeah, to answer the question succinctly, the defense is getting more confident. Number one, they know how to play with each other.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Just if you want anecdote, like if you watch the film and you see the way Cooper the Gene is passing off routes, that is probably something he wasn't doing during practice in week one. So I do think that they are gaining more confidence as this goes. Zach, last one for you. You're heading to practice here shortly. Anything where your eyes going today and practice, what are you looking for? Is it Sydney Brown integration? Is it where are you going to be looking? Yeah, so, I mean, first off, I want to see how Dallas Doddard's progressing, because I am curious, genuinely, how the Eagles are going to use that third roster spot.
Starting point is 00:22:42 My guess is Ania Smith is going to go on 53. We all saw the Eagles release Paris Campbell yesterday. The past two weeks, a big emphasis early in practice, was the ball security drills. I want to see, by the way, the offensive line. I mean, Mackay Beckett might be back Sunday, but he, I guess. I can't imagine it's back today. So I imagine it's going to be Steen at a right guard. It's going to be Fred Johnson at left tackle.
Starting point is 00:23:11 So I'm real curious, the personnel groupings earlier in practice too. But I think the Goddard angle here because we know Jordan Milit is out four weeks. Beatles didn't put Dallas Goddard on IR for a reason. They expect them back within this four week frame. I don't know if it's going to be the end of that period or the beginning of it, but you're looking at two weeks post-injury now. I'm curious if Goddard's out there at all. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Well, we'll be following you on Twitter and reading all your stories on all p.hly.com. And by the way, we have a new discounted offer, an introductory rate for anybody that if you wanted to see Zach's excellent writing and friends, excellent film reviews and both shenanigans in the Wolfden. It's a great time to hop in for you. So you can read Zach there on all p.hly.com. And Zach, we appreciate it as always, my friend. have a great practice, and we'll see you soon. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you.
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Starting point is 00:27:04 and continue the conversation and hijack, hijack Zach there. But I guess what basically you said, what I'm getting at, I do have some quarterback concerns here. You know, the reason Sunday was great was, mostly because AJ Brown is awesome and Saquan Barkley was unstoppable.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Jalen, you know, I thought Fran did a great job in his film review, showed, you know, he didn't have his best day. But the team crushed and won. And it's been like a year, I feel like, since we've had the Jalen we kind of hoped for on a more consistent basis. So that's kind of maybe I'm seeing teams that are running the ball well have a good win-loss record. Maybe I'm in pairing the two. And my Jalen concerns are meeting running the ball.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And I'm like, I really kind of think that the Eagles new identity is a running team. And, you know, look, I know, Jeff. I know you're never going to abandoning. Jay Brown and Devante Smith. But I guess what we're getting at there is a little bit of Jalen Hertz concern. And is this Eagles team best kind of not embracing that role a little bit? I definitely think the passing offense is clunky, right? Like I think the-second in the NFL and yards per game.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I think when you see that Saquan Barkley run on the 50-yarder where Fred Johnson, he pins down. That was nasty. AJ Brown, nice block on the safety coming down. And then you get Cam Juergens doing the baby Kelsey thing on the outside. throwing a corner just outside of the screen basically great block there that feels like they're all on the same page yeah and as fran has talked about it's a diverse run game they have different schemes they have different ways to beat you it seems like the read option stuff is getting like a tiny bit better yes i actually uh remarked to roy during the game i think this was after you left
Starting point is 00:28:44 from uh from state street in media i'm man they're really treating jalen like he's 2021 jaylin on some of these read options i don't know if that's a giant centric thing or whatever. But the passing offense, Jamie, is clunky. And it's funny that we're having this conversation. I think it's good, though, because like, this is, this is what smarter fans do and kind of a market that wants excellence. Like, Jalen Hertz, if you just look at his box score, 10 of 14, 114 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions. And, you know, it's funny. And clean is probably the most important thing there. That's two games in a row where he's been clean, no turnovers. But it's, but as France said, like, there were, there were some issues. I mean, some of those sacks,
Starting point is 00:29:24 Again, like that doesn't factor in the four sacks that he took, right? And some of those were just straight up his fault. Yeah. And I know the past protection wasn't great. You know, and it's like, look, he went 10 to 14. He missed Sequin Barclay for a walk-in touchdown. He missed Devante Smith on a wide open crosser. It's just like when I see that throw to A.J. Brown on Fort Down,
Starting point is 00:29:46 beautiful ball. Yeah. Absolutely. But there's an element of that that just feels, it's like the same thing as the week before. It just feels a little bit unsustainable. Yes. And I think that, in fairness, that is what Zach's main point is, is that he says, when he says layups, he means like, this passing offense, there's got to be easier buttons. Well, it always feels to me, like, without watching the all 22, you know, right? I'm not, I'm not a film grinder like Fran and all that. But like live in the moment, it always feels like he's holding the ball a half a second too long or a second too long. And now, granted, I can't see the routes that the wide receivers are running and who's open and who's not. But I find it very hard to believe that a Devante Smith. who goes around the NFL lauded for his footwork,
Starting point is 00:30:27 might be the best route runner in the NFL. He certainly does those ladder drills the best. He grushes ladder drills. That's pretty sick. AJ Brown, you can't really stop the guy. He's in the top five wide receiver discussion every year. Dallas Goddert, who... Is he better than T.O., by the way?
Starting point is 00:30:44 As an eagle or a career? As an eagle. As an eagle, yes. Because T.O. was too short, and I'm projecting like two more years still of A.J. Yeah, I think that's good. T.O. took you to a Super Bowl, so that's tough to be, but AJ was a part of that too. Yeah, I say AJ's better.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I find it really hard to believe that you can't scheme these guys open. So that just tells me he's missing them. And it's hard. Look, there's progressions and reads and every play's different. And that Sequin play, I saw somebody doing film saying he was on the right side of the field and his progressions were both on the right
Starting point is 00:31:17 side of the field, so we missed the Seekon on the backside. You can make excuses for whatever you want. The reality is, those guys are not covered every single second of every single play. So I do have concerns about this passing offense. I don't really see it getting corrected. So, you know, lean into Sequin a little bit more is kind of where I'm coming to. And that's not to say you're neglecting A.J. Brown because that would be foolish.
Starting point is 00:31:41 But like maybe lean into it a little bit more because I do have some Jalen concerns. And it's it doesn't seem to be improving with Kellan Moore and Nick Siriani's offense. I honestly think that's going to be the story of the second half. of the season is that, you know, regardless of how much they throw the ball, they got to be more efficient. And they, it's got to be, it's just, it cannot be like pulling teeth, uh, to get these great receivers, like you said, open. So that, that's going to be a big thing. I mean, I think ultimately like what, what's the right answer here? Uh, you know, should they lean into the run more? Should they lean in the past more? Honestly, they should do both, right?
Starting point is 00:32:14 Yeah, I think it's always a 60-40 split. I'm not even saying do 50-50, but like, I don't know. Maybe just like the first quarter, you got to get something going here. You can't play like this season long. I mean, that was an outlier game, right? Because that wasn't 60-40. That was like, oh, that was probably, and I mean 60 past. I know. That was probably what, 75, 25? Yeah. I mean, what was the total snap count in that for the Eagles? It was like 48 or something. I could not believe the Stapbo gave the other day that that on first and second down, because obviously on third down, that's, you know, the distance is going to dictate what you're going to do, that that was the most run heavy game of the entire Nick Siriani era. So all those 20-21 games, what it just felt like they were,
Starting point is 00:32:53 They were grounded pound for all of November and December and winning games and doing so. It's, uh, it was great. Look, man, it was great. And it gave us a normal win. I, I do understand, uh, Zach's concerns a little bit and that like, I just, I worry about that 20, 21 bucks playoff game where it's. Oh, he can't read a defense was a quote. It wasn't Todd Bowles that said it, but it was like the linebackers coach or somebody said it on the sideline. It just felt like, but in Jalen's defense, that was new for him, right?
Starting point is 00:33:21 Like, that was the first NFL. playoff game, whole new big stage. So he was still young. So finding the balance where it feels like they're not prepared for a, you know, a blitz heavy team. And God, I mean, Todd Bowles is going to blitz you a couple years later and then and then in this regular season as well. Just just so they're not prepared for that. Because I do like agree with what Zach said. Like they spent $200 million on. Shemante Smith and AJ Brown. Like there should be a way to utilize them a bit better. And like, again, like I just think. So is that on Kellan Moore? is that on Jalen Hertz?
Starting point is 00:33:54 Is that, is Kelly Moore even have, like, how much say does he actually have? You know, this offense they say, Zach said it in his piece like two weeks ago. This is Jalen Hertz's offense. Yeah. And whoever is it full or whoever is responsible here, I hope that they even after these wins say,
Starting point is 00:34:10 okay, our offense cannot be throw a go ball up to A.J. And Hope he Moss is the cornerback, right? Four straight go routes and just throw it up to AJ and hope he's Superman. He's unbelievable, but at some point that's not going to work. No. Yeah, and it just goes hand in hand. I pulled up the top rushing offenses in the league and tell me if these teams are good. The Baltimore Ravens, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Washington commanders, the Detroit Lions, the Green Bay Packers,
Starting point is 00:34:34 the San Francisco 49ers, Tampa Bay Bucks, Pittsburgh, Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs, and then, you know, Vikings, who are one of the better teams are in the middle of the pack. But most of the teams that are top seven or eight in the NFL right now are your rushing leaders. And look, the conversation, somebody said I had a Shataki mushroom take in there. I don't know why running the football has to be bastardized in this conversation like this. So that's all. You know, I see a lot of my dumb brain sees good teams at the top, rushing yards per game. And I just wonder, is this the new trend in the NFL?
Starting point is 00:35:06 And if it is, you have a pretty damn good toy to be. And that's almost giving how we, you know, credit. Look, Derek Henry and Sequin Barkley are obviously great. The Sequin Barclay are signing. Look, look, he might have messed a lot of things up this offseason. He was way ahead of the trend on that. that. If you have a good offensive line, if you have a quarterback that at least has to be accounted for in the running game, like paying that running back a couple extra million dollars, that top
Starting point is 00:35:31 of the line running back. I mean, this has been spectacular. Like the exact theory that we talked about the entire summer is, okay, he's going to have better blocking now, right? Like those sure. Those numbers in New York were not that impressive. But, you know, if you put him behind a better line and DeAndre Swift, like, I think his yards to contact last year. Who's funny is having the inverse is receiving the ball more in Chicago this. year that we always weren't like why aren't you throwing the Swift? That might be a quarterback thing too. It could be. Yeah. Well then yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:58 But it's worked out spectacularly. Like I think whatever the theory of the case for paying him, you know, what is it, $12 million, $13 million a year or whatever, it's turned into a steel. And I think as you mentioned, I think it was Ross Tucker who brought up. Yeah, I have the tweet right here. This is
Starting point is 00:36:13 Darnell Mooney money. It's like, I would rather, Darnel Mooney's having a okay season too. But I'd rather have Sequin Barkley. You can do a lot more stuff with Ross Tucker tweeted yesterday. Saquan Barkley makes 53% of what Colts wide receiver Michael Pittman makes. He makes $10 million less than Calvin Ridley and over $7 million less than Brandon Cooks. Howie Rosemans saw an inefficient market and pounced.
Starting point is 00:36:36 And, you know, that's part of bringing this up was the kind of law at Howie for that move. There was plenty of that didn't work. Devin White just signed with the Texans. But we got Vinnie Curry coming up here momentarily. And just to round off the Saquan Bow, this was courtesy of John Gnode. down at the Eagles PR. Eagles running back, Saquine Barkley,
Starting point is 00:36:56 has joined Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Terrell Davis, OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, two times, and Jim Taylor, to be guys that have
Starting point is 00:37:05 650 plus yards, five plus touchdowns, average of six yards or more per carry through the first six games of a team season. I mean, you're dealing with something special here,
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Starting point is 00:40:08 PHLY365 at sign up. Get yourself $200 after you make a $5 bet and a $10 deposit. All right, he is waiting in the wings. Let's bring him in. You can catch them every eagle's, game day here with us and most Wednesdays. Vinnie Curry.
Starting point is 00:40:24 What's up, Vinnie? Well, momentarily, we have a technical burp. We're just going to get that out of the way. And then we'll bring in Vinny Curry again. But Vinny was at a wrestling event last night with his son, Noah. And they were right there, you know, prime access, never been a wrestling guy,
Starting point is 00:40:41 but it was really cool to see Vinny and his son going nuts at one of Vinny's favorite things. Vinny loves wrestling, football, and sneakers are three of his stuff, too. He's got a cool, cool wine cellar too as well. Yeah, not bad. As we've also learned. And, you know, look, the defense is kind of turning a corner a little bit. Where are you at on the Philly dogs now? Because I wonder if we're building them up too much because they just played a couple of bad quarterbacks. That's how you have to look at this defense right now. It's like, all right, well,
Starting point is 00:41:08 things are improving. Cooper DeGines's in. Maybe he changed some things. They're getting sacks. Oh, wait. Deshaun Watson sucks and Daniel Jones sucks. I was, I was about to write off Nolan Smith. And then, you know, you watch him last week. And I was like, is this just Danny Dimes and that bad offensive line. That's what I'm going to ask Vinny about. Like, how do you determine? I mean, obviously as a defense, you take whatever wins you can get. Let's bring him in. Vinnie Curry here. Vinnie, what up, man? What's up, fellas? What's up, fellas? Not much. How was your, so you're talking to two wrestling nobs here, Vinny, but I saw you and Noah having a blast last night. Why don't you tell the people where you are? Oh, man, Monday Night Raw, man. We enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:41:45 It was down there at the West Fargo Center. I got to put a little smile on my son face, man. He was going nuts. It was going crazy, man. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. Yeah. So Vinnie, Vinny,
Starting point is 00:41:58 did you go to WrestleMania last year? Yeah, yeah, we was there. Yep. And great Jason Kelsey's performance. Bro, that was crazy. That was a,
Starting point is 00:42:08 Him and the Lama. Yeah, I know they had me excited. Yeah. So I am a little bit of a newbie, but the Royal Rumble was in Philly twice. I think in like a four-year span.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I think it was like, 2015, 2018. Anyway, the story that I always remember was, again, I'm a little bit of a newbie. My friends brought me, because they're big fans. The Rock came out, and people didn't like it because he was helping Roman Raines. But I was like,
Starting point is 00:42:34 oh, man, the Rock came out. This is awesome. Or whatever. So, anyway. It goes to show you how crazy. It is not the people who love the Rock and Roman Rainey story. I know. Crazy. So that's the best part. Because I don't follow it, and my friend sent me a video about
Starting point is 00:42:50 eight months later of Roman Reins getting completely cheered. And I was like, what do you mean? They were booing them like crazy when we were at the Royal Rumble. Anyway, I had a blast. If anybody wants to attend a Royal Rumble, I would highly, highly recommend that. It's a lot of fun. Vinny, how many events have you been to, by the way? I don't know, probably like over 100.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Over 100. Wow. That's awesome. I was like when I was my son age to now, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, why not? All right. So Vinnie, obviously the defense, two weeks in a row, no touchdowns allowed. Fenomenal. You in the defensive room don't really care who the other team's quarterback is, but there is a reality where you did beat up on two bad quarterbacks in the NFL. You're not having a bad quarterback this weekend in Joe Burrow. Obviously, you keep doing what you're doing, but how much more concerned are you watching this defense turn a corner here now that you're getting like, you know, one of the operational line quarterbacks in the league. The biggest thing we talked about, you know, from week one to right now is consistency. What you're seeing now from the Eagles defense is dumb being consistent, you know, Vic is really, really downed in to his guys, putting them in the proper places, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:10 letting the guys play fast. And, you know, that's all you can ask as a defensive player is the coaching staff to believe in you to be able to play fast and perform at a high level. So I think going into Cincinnati, man, I think we just seen the beginning of it. Vinnie, I love that clip that we posted of you talking about how Nolan Smith, he goes wide, makes Daniel Jones step up in the pocket, and then Jalen Carter cleans up the sack there or whatever.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Do you think, you know, even having a couple of games against, let's say, below average quarterbacks and offensive lines, but getting all of those sacks, getting those eight sacks last game, do you think that can kind of build confidence for these guys moving forward now that they are going to face Joe Burrow and these tougher offenses. Absolutely, because when the season, though, is anybody going to say what quarterback they face or who is out there? No, there's going to look at the stack out.
Starting point is 00:45:01 They don't care down about that. And then, you know, has, you know, reports have been coming out all day today, is O'Ley Brown playing? Is he not playing? You know, Joe Burrow holds the ball. Yeah, the biggest key matchup here for the D-line as well is not only to play with their hair on fire, but I cannot wait to see. Quayon Mitchell and Jemar Chase.
Starting point is 00:45:21 I just cannot wait to see that. So, Vinnie, I'm starting to get a little rational about Quinyon and Cooper DeGine here. Now, it's only been two weeks with the both of them out there. Quinyon's been doing it going toe to toe with Hall of Famers and talking smack right in their face and backing it up. How special do you think these two kids are and how much did they actually change the defense? Oh, a ton. Well, you know, you know, if you like, Look at the overall scheme of things.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Secondary play goes with defensive line play. It's all married to each other. You know, if a guy not running wide open or running free down the field, you know, you have more time to rush the passer. So I just feel like, you know, Coach Rick got these guys playing, you know, Eagle Football. And it's just one thing about us, Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:46:15 is we love to see this type of football. We're excited, but at the same time, we're like, like, ah, because, you know, two weeks in a row, we want to see like four weeks in a row. You know, one game at a time. You know, like one game at a time. And I think this Cincinnati game is really going to put the defense on the map. Seems like some of the ways they're having success are those simulated pressures,
Starting point is 00:46:34 and it feels like Nikobe Dean is pretty good at the blitzing part of that. What have you seen from him? Yo, bro, he brings toughness, man. He's tough. He's fast, you know, and he's precise when he comes up when he's blitzing. You know, when he's coming up the gut or whether he's rapping around. When they send him, man, he's coming and he's coming with some vinges, some steam behind him. So, Vinnie, I know you say consistency, you know, you want to do your job, but I'm curious when you, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:02 and when you're facing like a Baker-Mayfield type that gets rid of the ball in like two seconds versus, say, a burrow who holds onto it three seconds, let's say. I'm just making up numbers right now for the sake of the argument. Is there anything that changes from the defensive line standpoint? Is that something where you tell like the detackles, like, hey, maybe give that extra. second of pressure where the plays, is there anything that changes on your, you know, let's say there's four of you. Is there anything change when the quarterback's holding on to the ball a little bit longer? Yeah, you know, you know, we used to have this saying, though, we got it from
Starting point is 00:47:34 real. Ray Ali always say, you know, damn, man, for shooters, night is off. What's you going to do? Keep shooting. So, you know, you know, so if you're getting ready to the ball, what you're going to do? You got to keep rushing, man. You got to keep rushing. And then, you know, hopefully, you know, those DBs to tighten up the coverage, you know, to kind of make it a little bit of hesitation. Because all you need, one little piece of hesitation. So much. Did I lose you guys? Yeah, we kind of Zots there.
Starting point is 00:48:11 Yeah, I hear you. There we go. We got you? Maybe. I think we got you. Can you hear me now? Bob had it, baby. It's a boy.
Starting point is 00:48:20 All right. We'll check back in with Vinny there. And we got a little Zots in the internet. The big internet's trying to keep us down today, Rich. Big internet. Jeez. We're struggling with it. So yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:31 So do you feel better about the Philly dogs right now? Yeah, because I saw Cousin Grace in the chat say obligatory Nolan Smith 15 sack comment. He's a guy the last two weeks that has kind of popped out a little bit more. He's made some good plays against the run, too. Yeah, he's like set the edge. Vinny was talking about one of the plays this weekend where he set the edge and funneled things back inside. Vinny, we were just talking about one of the plays this weekend where he set the edge and funneled things back inside. Vinny, we were just talking about Nolan Smith.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Is he one of the guys you're seeing a little bit more from week by week here? And do you feel like a bust out is kind of coming? Oh, absolutely. You know, we've been talking about that for weeks now. You know, what do you feel? Who do you feel, you know, is popping off the stream or playing, you know, with sense of urgency. And this game right here really showed it. And that's why I really had to give him his flowers and give him a lot of praise
Starting point is 00:49:18 because you can really see him figuring this thing out, you know. And the way he set their edge, the way he, you know, he was precise or rather it was running to the ball or, you know, putting pressure on the quarterback. He really is coming into his own and it's just good to see. And we just needed to see it, you know, kind of consecutive weeks. And it's been two consecutive weeks that the defense is playing great as a whole. But he's really popped out on the tape this past weekend. Vinny, we spent the whole show and Zach was on here earlier and Jamie and Zach were arguing about how much they should run versus how much they should throw. I guess, you know, obviously it's more complicated than that, right?
Starting point is 00:49:56 Like there's a marriage of the two of us. But just as somebody who's watched this offense and somebody who has the knowledge of like what it's like to stop professional offenses, what do you think this offense's identity should be, at least for the next few weeks here? Say, well. Man, yo, listen, right now he's just on another level. It's just on another level. you know, I would just feed them as much as possible, you know, and that's going to open up that past game that we so, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:30 used to seeing and we all came accustomed and falling in love with. Right now, I guess, within the last two years, you really haven't seen as much run from the Eagles the way it's going down right now. So a lot of us is like, oh, my God, this is great. Oh, we've got to keep doing this, but let's remember who's in the back field, Seikwa. And he's just, you know what I mean? He's one-on-one.
Starting point is 00:50:51 and we want to see more, see more where he got in that, and that Arsenal is. It feels like it just has to be so demoralizing for a defense to give up like 40 and 50-yard runs, right? Like, you can deal with, you know, maybe giving up a first down or two or whatever. But when he's basically putting the Eagles in the red zone by himself or scoring a touchdown even, it feels like just as a defender,
Starting point is 00:51:15 that has to be demoralizing. Oh, my God, it is, because then now you hesitate, if you are if you coming off the edge now you got a word about setting the edge which give you with a split second of a play action now you can chunk it down field you know to batman or you know smitty like those guys like the way that the offense is kind of set up when trying to marinate to get ready to go on on this you know November and December football run I'm excited for it and I'm here for it so Vinnie I'm curious we all hate the Dallas Cowboys the hate runs deep in our veins
Starting point is 00:51:49 there's nothing we can do about it. There's a great story out of Dallas today by an author I want to give her her due. You remember the name. It's Kalen Collars. Yes. She talked to about four or five recent, still in the league, Dallas Cowboys,
Starting point is 00:52:05 about their experiences in Dallas. And they did not have nice things to say, saying that their new homes were about football, X's and O's. One here is about football and winning championships. Wow, you've got really nice facilities here. And the bottom line was that Dallas is a bit of a circus, and players said you'd be walking to the wait room or the lunchroom, and you'd have to run into tour groups of 35 and 40 fans taking
Starting point is 00:52:30 tours of the facility. Is this a well-known thing that you just have to deal with shenanigans when you become a Dallas cowboy? Oh, man. Now, you know, that I only can imagine because, you know, I think they got a football field leading up to the stadium. That's just a fan. and craziness going on out there. So, um, I don't know. I know,
Starting point is 00:52:54 I know Philly not like that, you know, they're not having, you grab of people just walked in there. Why, why he's trying to, you know, take a shower and get in the weight room like that,
Starting point is 00:53:03 man, because, you know, at the end of the day, it's great, uh, the way they respect, you know, each player privacy,
Starting point is 00:53:08 you know, yeah, brand and Frank couldn't fart openly, that story sounds crazy. Yeah, I mean, what's BG going to do? He's going to start busing gas
Starting point is 00:53:15 in front of tour groups in the NovaCare? Like, come on. You look at those turrets That last. Great stuff, Vinny. Any more, Rich? Not.
Starting point is 00:53:27 All right, cool. Well, we're looking forward to Sunday. Flagstata prime time. And that might have blown up in NBC's faces. Jaden Daniels has a little bit of a rib issue. But looking forward to the game Sunday, Vinny. Any early feelings on this hump day? How they're going to fare versus the Bengals?
Starting point is 00:53:43 Man, I think we're, I think we're going to be really happy. I don't think we're going to have a shot-in match, you know, before we're going on air. But I think it's going to be great, man. All right. Good. Let's keep the good times rolling.
Starting point is 00:53:59 You can catch Vinny with us here Wednesdays. And, of course, on Eagles game days. We'll talk you soon, bud. Thanks for hopping on. All right. Thank you, guys. Take it easy. Later, Vinnie.
Starting point is 00:54:08 And cousin Gray says, I feel like that would not stop BG at all. Probably not. Did you catch his mic up this week that they released? This week? Or was it last week? The last week when he was trash talking every member of the Browns offensive line. But it was funny.
Starting point is 00:54:23 He was trash talking it. And if you're a member of the Brown's offensive line, you have to laugh. You have to laugh. You were laughing. Like, it wasn't that mean spirit. No, it's like good spirited fun. He's just calling Betonio as old as him. There is nothing funnier.
Starting point is 00:54:37 And Bo does this in his wolf stand. Yeah. I think Jimmy Kapski has done it before too. When a reporter quotes BG, but they also make sure to note that his cackle is in. there too, which is one of my favorite things in the world. Yeah, I mean, you should just Mike BG up every single week. It is the best comedy. The NFL is producing there.
Starting point is 00:54:58 One of my favorite, he was talking to Betonio, and he was like, you're going to see me all day, all day, even in your dreams. And he started doing, like, the dream stuff. Like, just pure comedy. Mike that man up every single game. And for those that don't know, apparently a notorious farder around the Noviare Center. That's the blind information.
Starting point is 00:55:16 The P.H.L.I. Eagle Show brings you. to the point where Jim Schwartz used to yell at him. Like, BG, knock it off back there, and then you just hear the cackle. I mean, look, that rises all spirits, right? You know? Wow. I mean, I don't want to spend too much time on this,
Starting point is 00:55:32 but he must have been pretty good at it if he was blowing up like a full conference room, basically. Like one of those auditoriums. Those guys are usually pretty spread out. Jim Schwartz is getting that from the moment. It might have been in the deeper, you know, the smaller breakout rooms. That's true.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That's true. Those are kind of more like classrooms. But I can see BG being a beefy fart guy, for sure. And how can you get mad at him? You know, he's just, he's so affable and fun and great. BG's the best. His laugh is so good. It's so good.
Starting point is 00:56:00 It's so good. So just mic that man up every week. But how are you feeling? We won't talk again until the Eagles, well, we may talk, but not here on the show. It's Bengals Week. It's a real deal test. I know they're not having the same success per se. You wrote about it today in the newsletter, some, but it is Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Chase. I'm with Vinnie. I know you are too. Quinyan Mitchell versus Jamar Chase. Let's go. I can't wait to see this. How you feel on Humph Day here? I think it's going to be a legit test for these guys, right? Because this is going to be, look, I think the offense should be able to like play ball control this
Starting point is 00:56:35 week. It's funny that, you know, I was kind of arguing against you all game. I think for this game, that's what I'm saying. Specifically, Chase off the field. Specifically because this offense is very good and it's played well so far this season. This defense, you know, I know they have Lou Anarumo still, but, you know, Fran has kind of talked
Starting point is 00:56:55 about it. They've had some really rough games so far this year. They just have not drafted well on that side of the ball. I mean, honestly, New England, even in week one, and I know week one can be, you know, kind of goofy results, you know, things you throw out for the rest of the year. Like, they were able to just run Ramon J. Stevenson all over these guys. And we know Jaden Daniels had the huge game against them as well. You know, it might be one of those games.
Starting point is 00:57:17 The offense is going to have to be more efficient than they were, even against the Giants, right? Because I know they had those four touchdown drives in the middle of the game. Like, we're probably going to need some first quarter points this week, right? Yeah, that's got to end. But I think it's very doable against the defense that the one worry. And it's all the diehards. Thank you. And the one worry that Fran brought up, Trey Hendrickson against whoever's playing left tackle this week.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Yeah. Fred Johnson, probably. I think there was some good. There was some bad. Overall, you take it. The past pro was bad. That's what I'm worried about. Yeah, Jordan Myelot is quite good.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I think he, when he left and got injured there, I think he was PFSF's, like third or fourth, highest graded offensive lineman. He's quietly just gotten continually better, George. Yeah. And are you with me and the PFF grading that you use it when it's good and beneficial to your guys and ignore it? Disregarded.
Starting point is 00:58:07 Yeah, completely throw it out. Yeah, who cares? The other thing I will say, too, that it has nothing to do with the game, is that I just, I don't like playing the Bengals. they've had a lot of bad results. I don't believe they've won there in Cincinnati. And even the home games recently, the game four years ago when Burrow was still a rookie, he was not really established at that point.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Eagles Owen 2 and Doug Peterson instead of taking the 60-yard field goal says, we'll punt it and take the tie. And I don't think he ever did it again. I think he was scarred by that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think everybody, including like, like Bo was throwing a, you know, what the hell are you doing? Throwing the fearless book right in his face.
Starting point is 00:58:45 You played a win. the game. Yeah. Well, it was not 2017, Doug in that regard. But then there's other games, right? When another tie, when McNabb didn't even know. Oh, the tie? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:56 He just didn't know. That was an embarrassing quote. Yeah, that was pretty rough. I would say so. And then there were just- Andy reads pretty good in teaching situational, like football and circumstances and stuff. You would think he would have glossed over the detail that you could tie the game. Maybe he did gloss over it.
Starting point is 00:59:14 Maybe. He just said, everybody assumes. You should know that. And maybe we'll talk about our play action rules now after that. But yeah, there's some other blowout losses, too. There was the game where Zach Ertz O' laid on a block. I think it was Carson Wentz's rookie year. That was the last time.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Anyway, I don't like playing the Bengals. The Eagles play them once every- Got bad vibes. Yeah, once every four years. It just hasn't gone well. It would be awesome to flip those vibes around. It would be. And it would be really awesome to sit here a week from today
Starting point is 00:59:42 and talk about Quinnian Mitchell shutting Jamar Chase down. Well, I think he has a chance to actually become part of the national conversation. I think if he shuts down Jamar Chase, he's going to be like forefront national defensive rookie of the year kind of talking point. He already should be there. The problem is he's just not catching these picks that are, and I will say, like the play over his shoulder last week, that's a tough point. That is a tough play.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Tracking the ball like that. But he was close on one. CJGJ stole him, one from him on another. It seemed like in preseason he was around the ball a bunch. So it does feel like it's close, but it would be nice to see. Unfortunately, he's going to have to catch the ball once to get people to start noticing. But if he just keeps doing what he does, like maybe he won't be part of the national conversation. But if he, you know, limits Jamar Chase to like 40 yards, something like that, I think everybody in Philadelphia will be continued to be.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I got real football horny when I saw him toss Malik neighbors to the ground in those first five yards last week. Yeah, that was great. He just had Malik neighbors in prison. And this kid is a real reason to get kind of irrationally excited that maybe this defensive turnaround is real here. and it's not just to Sean Watson and Daniel Jones. A lot of negativity about the team in the first seven weeks. But it looks like, you know, especially now that Coop has played the last couple weeks, looks like they have hit to varying degrees at least on their first two picks.
Starting point is 01:00:58 It looks like the quarterback can't prey on Avanti Maddox anymore. Yeah. And that's great. Yeah. That's going to be beneficial for the next five years. Absolutely. So Rich, Sunday, we were out at State Street Pub and media with our friends Miller Light. And that place was absolutely awesome.
Starting point is 01:01:15 And they have a great staff out there. And I wanted to let you know about something they got going on this weekend. And this Saturday, or excuse me, November 10th, not this Saturday. But coming up, November 10th, State Street Pub and Media is going to be having a parking lot tailgate party. There's a huge parking lot right there across the street from the front door. They're going to have live DJs and MCs, giveaways and prizes. They got the special big screen coming outside. So it's going to be great weather.
Starting point is 01:01:42 putting that out there and everybody in media and surrounding areas can go there for special raffles Miller Light specials all day. You get complimentary spiked C-Iall iced teas. You get wristbands. There's different tiers, food buffet, VIP tickets, all that and more. So kick off your Sunday, November 10th with a fun day at the best parking lot vibes in town. Catch all the big action on big screens and tons of Miller Light to drink to your heart's content responsibly, of course. And that's November 10th with our friends over at State Street Pub in media. That was an awesome place. The wet Japanese wings or whatever I got were like phenomenal. I always love the judge a place by its wings and that place passed in spades. All right, that's going to do it for us here
Starting point is 01:02:25 today. Thank you to Julia behind the scenes. Somebody in the comments said Jamie looks like he does the Dougie at weddings. No, sir, I just don't dance. You will never, hardly ever catch me on a dance floor. Certainly not Doug Ean. Are you a cut the rug guy? Not a cut the rug guy, but I can't say I've never danced before. What do you think is, yeah, I mean, I occasionally go out there. Zach Bow and Fran. What do we think dancing game? Oh, I think there's a legendary, I think Bo is the dancer. I was going to say, I bet he's got a little bit of that like Carlton kind of hip shake action going. I don't know exactly what it was. I could see him doing that. I believe I could be wrong. And I'm sure he's like an old Charleston man. I'm sure he'll be able to correct the record.
Starting point is 01:03:07 if not. And Fran, maybe just show those thighs out on the dance floor. But if you are thinking about supporting us here at PHLY, it's a great time to hop in on our limited time offer for an introductory new rate here at all PHLW. Everybody in the chat that hung out with us today, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to Vinnie Curry and Zach Berman. Always appreciate your time and conversation for Rich Hoffman. I'm Jamie Lynch. We'll be back on Wednesday. Zach, Bo, and Fran. We'll have you covered at 2 o'clock tomorrow. We'll see you. soon, everyone.

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