PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - What NFL circles think the Eagles could get in a potential A.J. Brown trade

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

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Deontay Lee, Ross Tucker, Diana Rossini, Clint Kubiak, Drew Locke, Christian Ellis. Stay with us. The PHLY Eagles podcast live from Radio Row coming your way. Hello everybody and welcome to the PHY Eagles podcast live from Radio Row in San Francisco and presented by Bet365 and Wawa. I'm Bo Wolf. Next to me is E.J. Smith. And we are joined from the top by the grand.

Great, Deonti Lee of the Ringer. An occasional sicko, I think it's fair to say. Absolutely. I'm in the chat. You know, I think your listeners and your watchers now. I'm in the chat from time to time. I think this is my first time I'm doing something with you, Bose, since that over under on birds with friends.

Yeah. I think I was right before, like the 2021 season. I feel like we've had you since then. Have I been back on? But you did get smoked. That is true. I got smoked that year, and I think that might be the reason why I didn't come back. No, I'm glad to be back.

It's great to see you. It is great to see. We're on your coast. Yes, absolutely. This is not my favorite location for a Super Bowl. All right. The logistics here are a little tricky. You don't like going 90 minutes in every direction?

If I could avoid a shuttle, you know, it's never good when you have to actually kind of gauge whether or not it's going to be longer on the shuttle than it would be on public transit to get to your location, you know. But I love the Bay Area in general. Obviously, it's great for me not to have to cross the Rocky Mountains to get to where I need to get to. That's a pretty rare thing in the NFL. Yeah. I'm glad to be with you guys. And for the people who don't know, you are an Eagles fan?

Yeah, yeah. Let's say you're typical. I mean, I'm not an native to the area, but I'd say, like, I have adopted the Negedelfian archetype, for sure. You were invested in this conversation, which we will get to. And we're going to talk a little bit about maybe what to expect from a Sean Mannion offense. And we're going to talk a lot about AJ Brown today, E.J. But let's start with Diana Rossini, who you spoke to last night at Media Night.

And we had a fun time last night. We'll talk a little bit about some of the other things we saw there. But we're going to do this as the Parks preview, Lindsay, And the Parks preview is going to be our conversation with Diana Rossini, who I think previews what could be to come this offseason for A.J. Brown and the Eagles. Do you have a message for Angry Eagles fans? We defend you on the show. But this is your chance to speak.

Better. Oh, of course. I listen. Come on. You know. You know, we defend it. I actually find Philly media to be really good with the truth. You guys want the truth.

Yes. Whereas sometimes I think there's a disconnect because fans are frustrated. I get it. I was talking to Cooper DeGine today and Jalen about, like, what are you going to do to make this, you know, and just the fact that they are thinking about it, because they know that that was not good. It was such a waste of a year. They seem to already be, like, aware of it, that stuff has to probably get reworked in order for them to find it again, you know? Yeah, yeah.

So I guess what is something about the team that people, don't know that maybe they don't understand that like you you feel like gets misconstrued with him here or her I think people think that you report on the Eagles to create the drama when sometimes it's actually happened and it may not be that dramatic or the locker room it's just the the messaging I think freaks the fans out a lot more than it freaks the players out like for example a.J. Brown being upset we all knew that so but the lock Karam knew it too, and they managed it and they dealt with him in their own ways, whether it was personal relationships,

conversations over the phone, text messages, however they did to try to make him feel better. But I think fans were bothered by that, that they were in denial that he was not happy, because how could you not be happy when you just won a Super Bowl? And there's an argument to be made. I still don't really have my own opinion yet on that whole situation. I don't know how I feel. On how it resolves or just in general? Oh, no, I have a feeling it's going to resolve itself by AJ no longer being in Philly.

That's why I think it's going to head. I don't know that for a fact yet. Sure, yeah. More likely than that. We're not going to be surprised if you see that they move up. And I wouldn't be surprised if they move them to a place like New England, a team that's playing the Super Bowl. Yeah. So we'll see if that actually happens.

Here's the other thing I learned later in the season. I think players are doing a better job of realizing that they were. They spent too much this time blaming. And they started to do a better job of going, all right, enough. Enough saying it's this one and that one. They started to put it on themselves, but it just was a little too late to do that. What did you make and what do you think the league made with Sean Manny and I? Well, I think the initial reaction to it was deflating because it was,

the whole cycle was difficult for Philadelphia. As much as we know on paper, it makes, why would you not. want to coach the Philadelphia Eagles. You win with them as the OC, you're getting a head coach shop. Like, that's just how we've seen it. But it's not an easy place, and you certainly have to be of a certain makeup to manage it, to handle it. I always think about, like, even I went to college in Virginia, and I didn't get along with some of my teammates because they were like these southern type personalities, and they didn't like East Coast energy. And if you don't like it, you don't like it and I think you have to like East Coast Energy if we're going to be in Philly.

Oh, absolutely. Because we are a special group. So I never like looked down on the coaches that passed up on it. And obviously we saw my think Daniel. We saw Brian Debel, the two top coaches, be like, man, I'm good. Because they've been through enough. They've seen it. They know what it takes.

So the fact that I think that they went with a younger guy, I think that's good is they can mold him and build him and get him ready. And look, there's going to be a learning curve. Sure. There's going to be some, I think, some moments. But I think his staff with this much experience can help them along. All right. Last one, I'm going to put you on the spot. All right.

If AJ gets traded, what do you think then you guys get in return? Oh, wow. You know, it's funny. I was poking around on it before the trade deadline. Just in case they did it. Sure, yeah. I think they get a second rounder. A second rounder?

Yeah, I think they get a second rounder. But I interest you in a pick swap with the chiefs. They'll go from 23 to 9. Oh, man. And my Holmes wants me to say, do it to it right now. He would love to have it. Josh Allen's like, begging. I was talking to James Cook today, and I was like,

build me the perfect offense. Like any of any players. And he was like Josh Allen, me, Dalton Conkitt. I go, no, no, no, don't give me bills players. Give me. He's like, no, no, it's the bills. We just need receivers.

You just put two receivers in it, and he was right. So I could see them. They've been trying again. But, yeah, I think his market's going to be pretty robust. All right. Interesting stuff there from Diana. Good conversation, E.J. Deonti, what do you make of the upshot there that A.J. Brown likely to be traded and maybe the expectation that a second is all the Eagles would get? I think I would have guessed the same, you know, even without having to go, you know, procure any information.

I think that I would guess that this ends with the A.J. Brown trade. I think the thing that I've been hung up on, I know you guys talked about it, I want to say a week or so ago in earnest, right? in detail about what a trade package could look like, whether or not it would be right for Philadelphia to trade them. I think I'm still hung up on the compensation being a second round pick. Now, there are a lot of factors that I think you have to consider there. Some of that is age, right? Whoever is acquiring AJ Brown, you are likely getting him maybe for the remainder of this contract at his best or close to his peak, right? And then you're kind of guessing on what his body is going to be like. For sure.

We've seen kind of battle through hamstring injuries, lower body injuries, a lot of soft tissue stuff over the last couple of seasons, so you have to be a little bit worried if you're an acquiring team, and that's what the second round pick makes sense. But if I'm Philadelphia, knowing what the window is, even if you are going to be turning over some talent on offense, even if you're going to have to hit, not a reset button, but you would say a little bit of a pivot, right, coming up with Lane Johnson's age, you might have to make some adjustments to your interior offensive line, right guard, I think is still going to be a conversation for this team. In the season to come, you're talking about a running back in St. Juan Barkley that has

800 touches over the last two years. There are a lot of conversations I think you're going to have about what the trajectory of this team is going to be. But that doesn't mean that you're not still trying to win right now, right? You can still count quite a few wins in this division alone, and you've got to feel like outside of the two best teams in NFC West, which played in the NFC championship, you've got to feel like you're right there with them, if not just maybe a half stride behind. To me, a second plus is the conversation for me.

And it doesn't necessarily have to be another pick as much as another contributor, right? You guys are talking about the contract implications as well with AJ making that deal. And I'm with you, Bo. I think that at the end of the day, Philadelphia has always kind of been on the cutting edge and have always been very kind of dynamic, very fluid when it comes to reworking their cap to be able to make small marginal improvements along this roster. And I wouldn't expect any less of them. I do think, though, once you make a deal like AJ, what is going to accelerate on your cap,

you have to get, I think, a plus contributor. Somebody you could count on in the postseason, and I would say, well, probably have to be on offense. to make that work. Yeah, I think a second is probably not enough for the Eagles to move AJ Brown. Now, history has shown us that the Eagles will value future picks enough that maybe it's a future first. Right. That is, you know, other teams would value closer to a second round pick than the Eagles would.

I almost wonder if there's maybe a trade-up opportunity in the first round. Yes. We talked about us on the show before. You know, the Chiefs at number nine. Eagles at 23. Is it AJ in 23 for number nine? I mean, that one is interesting to me. I'm not sure which side says no to that one.

I feel like, I don't know. Who says no? Who says no to that trade, Deontah? I think Philadelphia. I think the Eagles probably say no to that. I think Philadelphia says no. Why am I going to hand you and your quarterback another opportunity to win a championship before we do? For the number nine overall pick?

Yeah, but it's not just the number nine overall pick. You know, I think it could be maybe it's that swap and a third or and a player. And then the problem for me is that if you're Kansas City, you probably say, hey would you want to take Juan Taylor off our hands? Because that's a contract that we would like to not have to deal with. I don't think you're doing

like you're a bad contract for our contract we have a move on from. Because you do, you would want offense back. Exactly. But who is going to be in a position to need a wide receiver that badly but still have a surplus of offensive talent

at what? You're not trading an offensive line like an offensive lineman who matters. So what? It's like a number two tight end kind of deal? Like I don't know. That doesn't feel like.

I don't think that's enough of a little. I don't think that moves a needle enough, I think, to justify it for Philadelphia. And that is tricky. That doesn't mean that it's not the best idea overall, given what the vibes around this organization was for the last year, not to deal. AJ Brown, I think that this is going to be a continued conversation for this team all offseason when we're trying to prognosticate what is 2026 actually going to look like for this offense.

You know, new offensive coordinator, if you are making a move for AJ Brown, that severely, I think, shakes up the way that you distribute the touches on this team. your run-pass balance, how much usage you're going to get out of a guy like DeVanty Smith, what you're going to have to do at tight-in if you don't bring Dallas Goddard back, right? Like there's a lot in the air, and I think that maybe there is part of me that is anticipating the A.J. Brown deal more because that is one thing that I think would give us a lot of insight into what's to come for the rest of this offensive roster. But I just don't think a second round pick gets it done.

I think it's got to be a second plus a player, and then that opens up all you were saying. There is kind of like, I think, from an Eagles fan standpoint, From my point of view, I know we're probably not going to get what he's worth, but let's just get to the post-A.J. world. Because if we're going to just be living in this limbo, can't we just fast forward already and get to that restructuring, that reconstruction for us?

I don't know. Yeah, see, I want to address two things. I'm seeing the conversation in the chat. I know that Diana Rossini can be a polarizing figure among Eagles fans. AJ Brown can as well. So I understand that I understand the conversation that goes on, but I want to say two things about it.

First and foremost, like, I understand people don't want to hear about AJ Brown being traded. There are people who will say, there's no way they're trading him. How could you entertain this idea? It is a question that what is AJ one? Right. And we don't know the answer to that question, but I think being here talking to people around league circles, it is obvious that there's an expectation that the Eagles will want to move on from him

or that AJ will want to be, be elsewhere. You know, being here in the last 24 hours, that is something that stands out to me is how much of the conversation is around A.J. Brown trade speculation. That's not to say that it's a foregone conclusion, but I think we've been around 60, 40 on this show. I think that that's probably about fair from being here and having conversations about it. The second thing, I want to address Diana and, like, the, you know, the vitriol for Diana. Noxious conversation. She does, A, like, I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to get people to tell you these things in the fashion that she gets people to tell her stuff.

She's an excellent reporter, and she is not afraid to report things. The teams don't necessarily want out there, which is very admirable. Are you, in my estimation, the best national reporter? Yes, I would agree with that. I mean, again, the stuff that... Because she's not just repeating things that people want you to hear. Absolutely. Yes, she is actually telling you...

You're not going to get the agent's signature code at the bottom of a tweet or text message. She is actually telling you what's going on in league circles, going on with these teams. and I think that because that's not always the popular thing, it's not always what people want to hear, they take it out on her. But again, one of my favorite things, we say it on the show all the time now, if you don't think these conversations are happening,

like you have your head in the sand. Well, I understand the familial nature of, you know, I can say, I can talk smack about Nick Siriani because he's my coach, but as long as someone else is doing it, well, you know, F you. Like, I get that. Sure. But, you know, that's the thing that's going on here.

Diana would probably say she is one of the Eagles fans. You know, her husband is an Eagles fan. She's not, but she's not. But she hears it. Yeah, right. She wouldn't say she's an Eagles fan. But she's in, I think she actually, like, identifies with this community, which is why I'm always a little bit surprised with the Vitria.

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All right, Deonté, what other Eagles things would you like to discuss here? Let's see. He's like pretty much. Or just show things, you know, anything you want to talk about. I will say, I want to start up top. When I think about the Eagles for this past year, and I think this existed last season as well, right? Like there are two things that I am very exhausted with, and this is not to chastise the online fan base or the people who they are responding to.

But there are two things I'm really exhausted with. Number one is Jalen Hurts' quarterback rankings discourse. Oh, man. And number two is Nick Siriani Resumay Watch. Like, those are the two things I can absolutely do without. And I know that because of their nature and, you know, how important they've been to this organization, yours probably is no avoiding it. But I kind of fell victim to that last season, right?

You think about that first month, which was very up and down. And people are asking, you know, about what Nick Siriani's job security would be. And then people will throw in one direction. He's got this one percentage. And he's made an appearance at this level of the playoffs. and how could you possibly get rid of a coach in that sense? And in this past year, I think that, you know, and this is also, I think, evident with Jalen Hertz.

There's always just this swing way too hard in the other direction. And I think that both this fan base and the people that they are battling against always use whatever is most recent as retribution for whatever the argument point, the points of argument were the year before. Right? So those are two things I can probably do without. I do think, and this will probably tie into the conversation that I'm sure we'll have about Sean Mannion and Josh Grizzard

and just the state of this offense. Right. I am very fascinated in what the Jalen Hertz offense quote unquote actually means at this phase in his career, right? Because if you were to tell me, and this is funny because this goes back to like perspective and as you zoom out, you kind of get different appreciations for different things, if you tell the little bit of Eagles fan in me that the 2026 offense would actually look a lot like Brian Johnson's in 20203, and oh, you know, they modify the bootlegs to just be RPO's or he's moving the pocket and blah, blah, blah. and maybe they have a few weaknesses against the Blitz, but overall they're going to be more aggressive. They're going to throw the ball down the field.

They're going to get the ball to their best players. In those contested head situations more often than we saw this past year, I would be okay with that. Even if you were telling me on the other side of that, that they weren't actually contending for a Super Bowl, I think the Eagles fan of me would still be mostly happy. I think on the other hand, if you were to tell me that these hires of Grzard and Mannion

is actually an indication that both the organization and Nick Siriani specifically are opening their minds to different systems, even if that goes poorly, I think that that's good enough process for you ultimately to walk away feeling like the right decisions were being made, even if things don't play out the way that an Eagles fan might. The only way that this does not work, I think, is maybe the thing that probably inspires the most toxic discourse, which is we get to week eight, we get to week nine, you still see a bunch of hitch routes, you still see a bunch of stationary office, you still see a very

predictable run game on early down, you still see a lack of play action game. They're not working the ball in the middle of the field because then at that point, it is going to turn so directly into a Jalen Hertz thing. Yes. And that's what I think that if you're this organization, you probably want to avoid more than anything. If you're Jalen Hertz, you probably want to avoid that.

There's some people in the organization who wouldn't mind the fingers. I think it depends on who you have. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, we have had some private talks about that, right, to that effect as well. But I would say that that's kind of just where my mind is at right now is what exactly do these hires mean for the state of the offense?

We had a little bit of a chat about the roster. that has implications that I think we'll be talking about, no matter who was going to be calling this offense and what it was going to look like in 2026. But I am definitely kind of hung up on what it means to be Jalen Hertz going into 26 and what this season and whatever changes we may see is going to do for his trajectory as a quarterback. What do you want it to look like?

You know, if it was you walking into that offensive meeting room and, you're sitting there with Jalen Hertz, let's put you in the shoes of Sean Mannion. What are you showing, Jalen? What are you showing the offensive players to say this is what, I think it should look like. I'm going to sit down not just with Jayland, but with Sequin Barkley and I,

I am going to pull up those 2023 clips, right? Like, that was not the most complicated, most diverse offense, but I thought that Brian Johnson was able to capture one of the things that made the Shane Steichen iteration of this offense really good, which is that we run a simple offense lot when we have simple answers to complicated problems, right? Like, I think about...

When they were at their best, that's exactly what it was. It was like it doesn't have to be hard. I think a lot about that Sunday night game against the dolphins, right? And that's what I think that, that defense, they had great, they were getting great edge rush all year, right? It looked like they were kind of turning a corner. And you just saw, you saw them run the ball kind of at will after the first quarter. They were really just being, they were able to pound the ball.

To the big fan geo defense. Exactly. You know, they're taking advantage of those light boxes. You're able to run the ball in between the tackles. And then once you see that guys are walking up, now you get the ball quickly out to your tight ends in the flat. You get these easy one-on-one opportunities, you know, outside the numbers. Again, if that's what this ultimately turns into, I think that's fine, right?

I've seen Kevin O'Connell, who I would say for my money, is maybe no worse than the third best play caller in the NFL offensively. And he has been able to pare down his offense to match his quarterbacks, right? And I think that if you're saying the Sean Mannion can take this intricate, very complex versions of the Shanahan McVeigh tree and ultimately make it work for a Devante Smith, who you can use in a myriad of different ways. And for, you know, if you do keep a Dallas Goddard, you're able to kind of get him out into the flatter, or get him up the seam.

He may not be as dynamic anymore at this age in his career as Tucker Kraft is right at his best, but he can still go win balls up the scene. He can definitely go create for you after the catch. And then I guess you would have to really project out what the rest of this offense looks like after that. Because we did just talk about AJ Brown potentially not being on this roster anymore. I think there will be a funny conversation to have about whether or not Jahan Dotson is actually going to see the ball in a post-A. Brown world because he rarely does now. Maybe somewhere else.

Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? So, like, there's, I think that there's just so many layers that you can ultimately get to. But from a core philosophical standpoint, I think it's get back to a simple running game that can take advantage of light boxes. And then once you get that safety dropping down into the box, once you get heavier personnel, that's when you're able to take those chances down the field. You know, like, there are so many teams around the league that I think are able to manufacture that. I'd say the Rams were probably the best version of that. I wrote about that before the NFC championship game, where they were kind of forcing defenses to play their style of football by putting three, four tight-ins on the field, right?

Eventually, you just have to respond to that because we just have more mass on the field than you do, and then that's when they're able to take those shots down field. I think if Sean Manion can kind of manufacture that, and we saw a bit of that with Green Bay, especially before Tucker Kraft got hurt, if you bring some kind of version of that where there's a little bit of spread, but still those core kind of implementations of what makes McVeigh and Shanahan great, I think that that's the best thing you can lay out. I guess my question for you guys is, how do you think that actually plays out in the building? right like there are some personal dynamics there and some approaches some trend lines in terms of how

they've approached our offensive scheme that would suggest that some of those things are not always you know the most amenable to the people who make the final decisions there it is it's such a difficult question to answer and it's it's complicated because everything you hear about jillen hertz and like the myth making of jillen hurts and the things that we believe about jillen hurts that whatever takes to win he all he cares about is winning he's he's you know he's Dad is a coach. All of those things would lead you to believe. This guy is very coachable and is open to coaching.

And I think that that is true. I think there is also probably a BS meter that he has where it's not that he doesn't necessarily trust the coaching, but there are things that he knows works as far as he's concerned. I think if you can prove to him that these things are going to open up your game and take it to the next level, I think that's part of coaching is convincing the player to come along with you, right? And the thing that Nick Siriani says, which I think is a truism, is if you can show them the player, that is, that you can get them better, then they will follow you. Absolutely.

And so that is like that is the job for Sean Mannion and whoever is the quarterback's coach. Yeah, I was going to say, like, you know, you hear from some people, it's Jalen, it's, you know, his incapability of handling certain elements of the offense, you know, limited playbook. You know, you can only run so many different things with Jalen. And then you also hear from people who, you know, have a very solid understanding. of the offensive system that there are levers that the offensive coaches can pull. I think it's probably somewhere in the middle. And I do think that this year is going to be a real litmus test because to me, like we said it, like when they hired Josh Garzard, I actually was like, this is even more encouraging.

I feel even better about the Sean Mannion hire because it's a signal that there are going to be big changes this year. And if there's not big changes, then you have to then evaluate. Is it a Jalen Hertz thing? Is it a Nick Siriani thing? Well, I love the fact that you brought up that Nick Seriani quote because I think that he could probably benefit from adopting that same mentality, right? I think that for him, maybe in his approach, especially when it comes to game day management,

I think that he needs somebody in the room to say, try it this way. Yeah. We can be a little bit more aggressive. So I said, if I could have asked one question in the meetings, the interviews with offensive coordinators, it would have been, okay, you've got the ball, there's 35 seconds left in the first half. You're at your 25-yard line. What are you going to do? Right. Right.

You know, 1,000 percent. Go for, try to score points or take a knee? You know, and I think that that's going to be another piece of this. And I think it maybe gets underplayed because there is so much to talk about with Jalen Hertz, right, because he has had so many coordinators over his pro career, really over his football career, period. Right. I do think that there is a place where we have to talk a little bit more pointedly about Nick Siriani and whether or not he's going to be amenable to some of the changes that is going to be required,

I think, to run this style of offense to its maximum capacity. That does not mean that it's going to look like the 2017-2018 Rams, right? It does not have to be that extreme stylistically. Even the Rams don't really play like that anymore, right? Like, you know, Kyle Shanahan has evolved a bunch of times. And I'm not saying that Sean Manian has to clear either of those bars to be successful here in Philadelphia. But I am really fascinated, right? The first day, you know, the first game where outside zone is really not working,

or the first game where you're under center and you're not really able to, you know, trigger those play action passes, you're not able to access the middle of the field the way you might like. Are we going to have those whispers coming out of the building? again that like, oh, you know, Nick might be feeling a certain kind of way, or Nick is showing up more often in the offensive meetings and really putting his thumb on the scale. I think that to me, that's kind of the personal dynamic thing that influences this team, not exclusively.

I think every team has to deal with these interpersonal dynamics, but it definitely seems to play out a lot more dramatically when this team is involved than when it's up. They love drama. 100%. It's good. They like giving us content. I mean, it's great for me personally. It's great for me personally.

I could listen to Deonté talk about football all day. Well, I got to, like literally. It's not just to talk about football, the voice. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. What a voice on you. We're big Deante fans. I appreciate that, man.

It's very fun going around this week with E.J. And just him seeing another person who's like, oh, I love. They do such great work. I'm such a big fan of this. I said this to Ben. I am passionate about other people's work, man. Like, I don't know if I'm effusive about my own work, but guys like Deonté, oh, my God. I appreciate that.

It's great to see you, my friend. Always. Thank you for stopping by. Stay tuned. Much more to come on the PHOI Eagles podcast. We're going to talk to Drew Locke about Sean Mannion and what makes him such an interesting coaching candidate. Clint Kubiak as well.

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We are back on the PHAO Eagles podcast live from Radio Row in San Francisco. Just the two of us. Deante, I know. Deante is awesome. I love Deiante. Yeah, he is like, like he kind of alluded to it. Him and I will be in the DM. We have each other's number, but for some reason we DM each other on Twitter.

And like, we will just be in there just talking ball. I love that guy. I love Deante. Yeah. All right, let's talk a little about last night, E.J. Yeah. Media night out in San Jose. Actually, before we talk about last night, I want to talk about it this morning.

Oh, God. Are you going to bring this up on the show? I think I have to bring this up because we have an enemy in the city of San Francisco. We do. Somewhere out there is a huge. heathen. Okay. So E.J. and I, I did Anthony's show this morning.

E.J. waited for me to finish so then we could walk over here to the Moscoon Center. And I got a little breakfast sandwich from a place that I had read about. Very good breakfast sandwich. Got a nice coffee. And it's down an escalator. You got to go up an escalator. And on our way up the escalator, I'm at the top. You're right behind me.

And as we're just cresting the very top, some woman with a with a with a bad, A bag comes just like streaming up the left side, knocks my elbow. I save it. Like, you know, it didn't fall in my coffee. A real athlete. And we get to the top and you're like, I think I got to go back to the hotel. And I'm like, what, why would happen? And you're going, you're going white tea underneath the.

Yeah, I had a different flannel on today, actually. And a white tea and a blue flannel. And I went down and you've just got just straight coffee staying right on the white tea. Is that, I mean, first. First of all, is that tea going to be done now? Are you going to get that out? Honestly, it's going to... No apology from this woman.

Oh, it was awful. You know, like, listen. Like, you, I get... She might have been in a rush. And, like, I know that in certain cities, you do, like, walk up the left side. But you got to be mindful. I have a cup of coffee at my left hand. I...

I, you know, I'm not... I was honestly impressed. I could tell that you were suppressing some anger, for sure. It was probably good that I had, like, the 30-minute, like, walk back to the hotel then walk to here, like, to kind of just get myself back. Shout out to my sister. I called my sister and sort of just, like, let it out. And, like, you know, I was like, give me some positive energy.

I need to pick me up. Good to have something like that. Yeah, I turned it around. I turned it around. I would have called Julian shoes. That was brutal. Yeah, that was really tough. I think the shirt might be done.

Because it's like, I'm not going to be able to wash it with, like, a stain remover for, like, a week now. You can use it. You can use it as a true undershirt. Yeah, but it was a nice shirt. I like that shirt. Yeah. So, Escalator Lady, if you're watching.

Later lady, blonde hair. You are an enemy of the show. Medium build. Yeah, my goodness. It was terrible. At a skinny black bag that was heavier than it looked. That's what did the damage, I think. No apology or anything.

Brutal. Yeah. It was like... And they tell you people in Philadelphia are mean. Yeah, she was like the... San Franciscans. You went like in a superhero movie, like the superhero like, you know, push through the crowd and like knocked people over.

That's like what she was doing up the escalator. Yeah. It's like, come on. Get out of here. Yeah. Maybe you should go to the bathroom. Anyway. last night, we were at, we were meeting night, talked to the Patriots first and then the Seahawks.

And some, I think the most interesting thing for Eagles fans was the insight we got about Sean Mannion from a few players and coaches who have been with him. And let's start with Drew Locke, who was only with Sean Manion for like parts of one season. And yet, Sean Manion clearly made like a real tangible impact on Drew Locke, including in that game that Drew Locke beat the Eagles in in 2023. And so let's play that for you now. Drew Locke, whose eyes just light up when you ask him about Sean Mayne. So I know you didn't spend a ton of time in a quarterback room of Sean Nattian,

but what can you tell us about the time you did stay in? I will say this. Some of the stuff that he would do like after practice, I continue to do because of Danny. The way he'd studied throughout the week, I continue here because of Ben. I've been around a lot of really good quarterbacks that I take. things from I'd taken the most

for a truck really so what are some of the things that you kind of picked up on here you mentioned like the fash the print person things at the same time let's say this we would do third down drawings

and Shane Waldron would if this is the play call national air space museum he would say national air and Sean would already be drawing the play

he would write down every single play from our third down separate from the call sheet and draw it. I draw plays. I drew the plays before, but I would never write out the actual play call. Something about doing that helps astronaut.

And I got that for a shot. And now, can I replicate how fast he can memorize? And stat, I don't know, he's a specific character. But he's phenomenal in the board vector, and I would say, even on the sideline during the Eagles game when I was playing, he was so, I'm going to say the lack of a better term, he was so nice to come over to the sideline too. The things he would say, like I can only hope that I, that Sam feels the same way about me is how I did that do.

For you things? Things that would call me, just positives, saw this well, you're seeing the field well, you know, tighten your footwork up a little, just like the way he delivered it. Yeah, I think it was more important than anything. he's where he should. So did you think, like, in that moment or those, that year like this is a guy who's going to be a coach? Yes, absolutely. He had his own laptop. Cool, all this tape, but he somehow accumulated over his career.

He'd pull up plays, talk about him that weed, why we should run him. Yes. That's awesome. What kind of things are you think he's going to, what are some of the offensive philosophies, tendencies that you think he really harps off? He's definitely going to harbbs off. upon listening to your feet as we do here. He was with Coobes and Janoco in Minnesota. Time and footwork up with routes, specific plays, I think would be a big fielded end. It would be interesting to see what kind of offensive he decides the run, because I know he's

been around a couple different ones. I'll be anxious to see where he's kind of landing in this whole thing. But he's going to be great to be found. And is there something about him that people, you know, would be surprised to learn anything, any random facts at all? Yeah. Don't play catch him. Really? Okay. He has the heaviest football. Really? He has a lazy.

He's going to come off the mound and you could cut your hands. Yeah. Don't play catcher. Have you talked to him? I've got to him. I texted. But I haven't. No phone calls.

To tell him I was excited for him and we stay in touch here and there. It was cool. We got to go up Green Bay to do the kind of crossover practice or whatever you want to call him. And got to see him as there's a little. good. Sean's a good ran. You'd be good. All right.

Good stuff there from Drew Locke. I was a little bit smitten with Drewlock. Yeah, you know, I think it's like reporters bias here a little bit because it's always, there's such an unknown when you go up to a player and you're going to ask about somebody that they had a very scarce interaction with. Like I asked a couple of players, like Matt Collins, for example, like, oh, do you keep in touch with any players from the 2017 Eagles team? And like, when you ask that question, there's a chance that they go, oh, my goodness,

Yeah, like the best man of my wedding was, you know, the long snapper, whatever it would be. Or they go, no. Not really, yeah. So, like, the way that Drew Locke, like, his face lit up, he was excited to talk about Sean. Like, he was, like, refreshed that, like, we were talking about something different. Yeah, great energy, good storyteller. Yeah. I have, I have, there's one prediction that I've been meaning to get off my chest that I want to run by you.

But I have another prediction here. Drew Locke, future in media. Like, a very successful media career. That's my prediction for Drew Long. I could definitely see that. Do you think he's a color guy or do you think he's like in studio? Maybe I could see a color guy. Yeah, I could see him being very good at it.

Or like a very popular podcast or something like that. Yeah, I could see that. And it goes to the thing we've talked about before. Too normal to be an elite quarterback. Yeah. Too well adjusted. Doesn't. Too much of a normal human being to be an elite psychopath quarterback.

He might be religious, but like doesn't like, believe in God or think he's God, you know, that's always a thing. Think he's God, yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, I'm buying Drewlock media stock. Here's my Eagles prediction for you. At some point... He will be on the Eagles?

No, this has nothing to do with Drewlock. It's just something that I keep meaning to bring up on the podcast, and now I remember to do it. At some point within the next decade, Jordan Davis will appear on the masked singer. Oh, yeah, that's like the lock of the century. What do you mean the lock of the century? That's a pretty bold prediction.

Lindsay, that's not a bold prediction. What do you mean? It's not a bold prediction at all. What do you mean it's not a bold prediction? Wasn't it, Jordan Milana's already been on it? Yeah. Yeah. There's precedent.

In a decade, they're going to run out of people. Jordan Davis will 100% be on. I cannot believe you are down playing this prediction. That's like when, see, Ben's on our right here, he'll enjoy this. That's like when we ask the player's name of forgotten running back and they're like, I don't know, Adrian Peterson. No, it's not. This is outrageous.

I cannot believe you're no selling this. This is a very specific prediction. On the Masked Singer. That's not that bold of a prediction. Oh, my God. Not a bold prediction. I'm going to leave. This is ridiculous.

Terrible stuff. Leukewarm boldness, says SRG. All right. So we have more Sean Minion insight. At some point, check out, we're going to, you know, the stuff you're watching the shows is just a snippet of all the stuff that we are capturing this week here at Radio Row. So we've got some specific vods you'll be able to see.

including a conversation with Sean Main with Seahawks quarterback's coach, Andrew Janoko, who coached him for the season. That's not going to be on the show today, but we will play you Clint Kubiak, the new Raiders head coach, Seahawks offensive coordinator, who also has some crossover time with Sean Mannion. Let's listen to that now. It's from Philly? Yeah, we're from Philly.

I think you guys got a gym of a coach. Really excited for Sean. Not at all surprised that he's in this position. And to be in Philly of that organization, what a, It's a great, great opportunity for him. How would you describe the way that he is breaking down plays, trying to understand an offense and maybe explaining it? Yeah.

Well, I would say Sean's going to be a phenomenal teacher. The best coaches have been around are really good teachers. So Sean, Sean's brilliant mind. But he's able to communicate his message and able to relate to the players really well. Just a really phenomenal young man and going to be a really good coach for you, yes. Could you tell that he was going to go into coaching even during his playing courage? you knew if he did he'd be successful. I thought Sean was a really good player.

I loved having Sean. He was our backup in Minnesota for a while and just loved going to work every day with him. His attitude was always so great. He always supported our starter. You know, he actually talked to Kirk Cousins and asked him about Sean many. I think Sean made Kirk a better player.

And L-Tim went his first playoff game in 2020. So I wasn't surprised that Sean would be a coach if he chose that pen. Underrated arm strength, apparently, revert? No, he has a cannon. It was just trying to get him to build a checkdown, not as hard as he threw the go ball.

But, Sean, I know that you guys have some really good coaches in Philly, and it sounds like you guys are bringing another guy from Tampa, right, to be with Sean. And in that job, you don't do it by yourself. You got to have a strong staff with coaches that can support you because it's, you know, one guy gets the title, but you're calling a game with, you know, with five or six different coaches.

So having a great support staff is just going to help. Yeah, when you get that job for the first time, when it's your room and you're the play call, and what is the biggest to Justin? No, see, it's when it's your first, fourth and four, and everybody's lifting you to get the play in on time, and you've got to make a decision. It's just you find out about yourself,

like, how quick you know, you can make decisions and how aggressive you can be. And honestly, for me, speaking for me, you've got to fail a lot and learn from your mistakes. I've been really lucky to be a multiple team. They get to all plays for different teams and grow. A lot of times you get let go or you get fired and takes you a long time and get another chance in there. So it's a growing experience as with any job, especially that guy. Before you did it for the first time, how did you prepare for that?

Did you sort of go through like imaginary reps of what you would do in those situations? Yes, yeah. To me, like, yeah. You always kind of put yourself, at least not early, I've put myself in position to make sure I could call this entire play sheet, you know, that would be my answer in this situation because as an assistant coach, that's what you're trying to do for your play caller. If you're trying to see the future and say, hey, they're doing this. We've got to get to the, to be able to help them. call a good play and help you guys win the game.

He's really gratifying. So if you're doing it the right way and that way, then you kind of takes care of itself. All right. I appreciate Clint Kubiak's insight. Not the most dynamic personality. I did not expect you to say that. I think you're going to say something about KK.

You know what? I actually did mean to ask him about that. I probably should have. I don't think he would have taken it one. What's the story behind that? He struck me kind of like Shanahan style personality where it's like sort of like, I mean, mousy might be mean but sort of like kind of like a nerdy quiet guy yeah and like you know what's

interesting is they're both sons of coaches and i wonder if that makes your personality a little bit subdued well it makes you think it's cool to be to have no affect well yeah maybe i mean they seem like i don't know they seem like quiet guys both of yeah yeah all right we're gonna take a break because we're getting ready to bring on ross tucker the great ross tucker however enemy of the show Because of something he said, the sickos will know. We'll remember what he said in the week 18 regular season finale that obviously rankled me. And we're going to address that head on coming up next. Next, let's talk about Monarch.

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All right, we are back on Radio Row here, and San Francisco joined by Yaseem. The Great. Ross Tucker. Ross, how are you? I'm doing great. I have like a – this is like perfect timing on multiple levels. I just interviewed for the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, Josh Johnson. Good plug. There you. Thank you. Oh, I'm going to plug a lot of stuff.

Josh Johnson. And it was funny because I called the Week 18 game Eagles Commanders for CBS. Well, I'm going to bring that up in a second. Oh, okay. Oh, he's got a whole order. He's got a whole order. I do have a bone to pick with you, Ross. But let's hear the story.

Well, the story is I asked him what his perspective was like on what's become known as the Keely Ringo play. You know, where he rolls out and Keeley looks at him and then runs the other way. Yeah, brutal. Interestingly, he said he didn't think much of it because when he rolled out, he thought I'm hitting Chris Moore back line. He thought Keeley was going to come attacking. Right, yeah, right. And in his head, he was already going to buy some time and hit Chris Moore on the back end line like he did bates earlier in the quarter.

right end, okay? So when Keely turned around to go cover Chris Moore coming across, which he didn't need to do because there was somebody else covering him. Right, but yeah, he doesn't know that, yeah. But when he went to do that, okay, he thought, okay, Keely's like thinking what I'm thinking. Never wrong, just early. But then he also thought, okay, cool, I'll just score.

Of course, yeah, I mean, you can make the right read on the play, but make the wrong decision. You know? It's a tough. I think he did neither, but that's not the point. The point is that it didn't jump out that much initially to Josh because he was already thinking Keely was going to attack him, so he was thinking, oh, oh, shoot, Keely took away what was going to do. Oh, no, this is easier, actually.

No, this is better. Oh, poor Keyley. Here is my issue, Ross. In that game. Okay. Oh, I'm so nervous. During that game. nervous. I mean, you know how...

Do you go to the games or do you watch on TV? I used to go to the games, but now we do the postgame show from the studio. So we're watching. We're watching the games. Okay, okay. Thought you guys did a great job. Thank you. However, but...

You said a phrase during the broadcast that did... It hit me the wrong way. Okay. And that is, you said, you are probably the world's foremost expert on Eagles backups. Yeah. I mean, you're looking at it. You're going to say it's you and... Not Fran.

It could be Fran. I thought you would have went Fran. You could go Danes. But I, you know, I just, among the broadcasters, I'll give it to you. But the world's foremost expert, I feel like. Well, first of all, you know, let's have a, let's have. He welcomes you into our studio. Let's have a Jake Majors off.

Just do it. Well, so the first thing is. Let's talk Drew Kendall. Oh, I could kill you on Drew Kendall. The first thing is, is the Eagles had a couple injuries during the game. I can't remember what they were. and Melanie Collins on the sideline, and she reports, whoever got hurt, and it was like a receiver, do they have enough receivers,

and it was a safety, and blanket ship couldn't go in, so they were going to have to move Michael Carter's safety. Brandon Johnson got hurt, I can tell you, as the world's foremost backup expert. So, so. I had to move Michael Carter to safety. I could tell, I could tell Kevin Harlan was like, man, this is, the Eagles are going deep. And I said, I said, I got your back, Kevin.

I'm pretty much the world's foremost expert on the Eagles backups. By the way, how about me? Pretty much we'll give you. My first time maybe ever doing a game with Kevin Harlan, and it just so happens to be a Tanner McKee Eagles backup game. Like, you couldn't make it up if you tried. So, yeah, you know what? We should do at some point next August.

Okay. In like mid-August, E.J. When you're in your full-study mode, backup mode. Next mid-August, E.J., why don't I come on the show in between the first and second or second and third preseason game? Let's do it. And you do like a trivia show. I like this, yeah. And then it can be maybe just me and Bo or me, Bo, and Fran.

I think Fran's got to be a part of it. And we can see who is the best. We'll get a prize. I'll be the judge. Some kind of. Yeah, ask some questions. We'll get a belt or something like that. We'll make it like a game show.

I like that. That's a good idea, Ross. We should do that. All right. The challenge has been thrown down. Because I get some of my stuff from you guys. I read you guys and I read a lot of guys. And by the way, it's just crazy, just as an aside, how much better beat writers are now than like the 80s

when I was like an Eagles fan growing up. Like you guys actually like really dive in and really study and really know these guys and like Jimmy Kempski and Zach Berman. I'm not going to say all of them, but like it. I don't know that last guy, but to that. But there's a lot of value for me from you guys being as dedicated

and as good as you are. And I really appreciate that. I really do. Like it helps, because I got to follow it year round because of all the different Philadelphia media stuff I do. But then in particular, getting ready for those preseason games,

it's a lot. You know, because I really like, no matter who is out there, I want to really know them. And Eagles don't play their starters. For sure. I got to really know who's in in the second half,

and I got to talk to coaches about them. That's the thing. Like, there's a chance that you might know, like I've seen your stuff, Bo. You might know random facts, like their cat's name that I don't know. But I think I can, but I think I can break down those players probably a little bit better than you can. I saw Brandon Johnson two days of practice, and I knew that guy is going to stick around in the practice squad. He knows he sees things faster. You know balling it don't.

We're going to talk about my front page story in a second, Ross, but I want to ask you about a non-Eagles backup, and that is A.J. Brown, who has been sort of the focus of the show, the first part of the show today. Do you expect that the Eagles will move on from AJ Brown this off-season? I don't have a super strong feeling in one way or the other. I would lean move on from him. But I would say, like, 60-40?

Yeah, I think that's where I'm at, Ross. I think the money is significant. I think replacing that production is significant. And I think I wonder does the new coordinator placate him? Like, can they smooth things over for one more year, which would really help? Because then they could draft somebody, then the financial part of it, it would really help if they could say, hey, give Sean Mannion and Josh. Grysard to try. Josh Grizzard, you know, he was just in Tampa with Godwin and Mike Evans and, you know,

we know what Mannion can do with, look at how the Rams get guys open and the Vikings. Like, it would really help if they could keep him for one more year and get more out of him. Now, that said, he would get traded for even less next year. Sure. You know, from that standpoint. So that's part of it. And I do think if you're the organization, I don't know if they feel this way, but I felt like that really affected their season.

I felt like how he handled himself. And I'm like, I'm trying to understand the new school guys, you know, and I'm trying not to be the old guy back in my day and whatever. But like, I don't know. I've been around a lot of wide receivers that weren't happy. And I guess we didn't have social media, so maybe that's a bad example. But you don't have to go there. You don't have to make it public.

Look, I've had a receiver score a touchdown, and I went to high five, and he told me to get the bleep away from him because he was mad because the other receiver already had two touchdowns that game. You know, that stuff is real, but they didn't go publicly complaining about it or posting it out on social media.

To be fair, actually, we talked about this. I actually do give the Eagles credit for, like, sort of figuring it out halfway through the season that this still exists, but they navigated the waters well enough. But AJ's play, was impacted enough that I do think it had a significant impact on the way the season played out nonetheless. And I don't believe... I think the bottom line is he doesn't want to be here. That's right. That's right. And I think you're not going to win a lot of games having guys on your team that don't want to be there.

Yeah, I think that's right. All right. Tell us about my front page story.com, Ross, and the pH-L-Y bump that you've received in the past. Two things. One is you guys will both appreciate this as writers. But it's the best Valentine's Day gift I've ever heard of. My buddy, who's, who's, kind of a former sports writer. It's not the easiest career, as you guys know. He started my front page story.com, so I invested in it. And it's the best Valentine's Day gift ever because unlike flowers or whatever, a gift card to the Olive Garden, which is what Bo probably does.

You talk to a writer for 10 minutes about how amazing your significant other is. they write this incredible story about her. Look as it on the cover of the newspaper, like the Inquirer, whatever, framed beautiful pictures of you and her, the kids, if you have them. And here's the key. When you give it to her and she's opening it,

she won't really know what it is. Of course. And you'll be like, honey, I want to do something special for you. So I had a story written about you. That sounds like you paid Bow Wolf $5,000 to write a story about your wife.

You know the going right. Okay. I mean, and make sure you tell the writer, or in the email you fill out, say, I never thank her enough for all a little things she does for me and the kids or just me or whatever. They cry every time. She will cry, you will win, my front page story.com.

And the reason why I'm mentioning this is because I came on with you guys August or sometime, I think. And I was telling you about futurefans.com, which is another investment opportunity for me. And I think double-digit people bought them that day. Double-digit. So if you are an advertiser out there, and you were thinking about which shows to go on,

I have the data because when they went to FutureFans.com, they have to fill out how they heard about us, and a lot of people said, P-H-L-Y. So this is the show to advertise on, and my front-page story.com is the website to go to. You are a Renaissance man, Ross? How many investments do you have? How many, like...

Too many investments, too many jobs, I got too many a lot. You got so much going on. I need to go take a nap. I have a lot going on. This is a serious question. What is your like time management routine? Do you have like an app?

Oh, I need this. No, but it's like if you guys saw like what a typical. Are you just going on your Google Calendar? Is this just Google Calendar? But like, okay, this was last Tuesday, okay? Oh, geez. I did a podcast, Ross Tucker podcast, Houston Radio Hit, betting podcast

DC radio hit Dallas radio hit Dan Patrick show Wisconsin radio hit did an intern for one of my businesses a Zoom did a Vancouver radio hit

WIP radio hit another Zoom Wait hold on don't don't forget about what's there nap You gotta put that in I put the fact that you

block out the time for the nap And I did a Zoom for another business A podcast with the British guy, Will Gavin, who I'm calling the Super Bowl with. Oh, we're looking forward to that. Jim Rome.

Unreal. And then the last Zoom for the last business, my front page story.com. You ever heard of it? Buffalo Radio hit, and then took my daughter to volleyball practice. I love that you have the pictures for the stuff that you're going to enjoy.

That's very cool. When you type in the address, it pops up a lot. So anyway, Google Calendar. Love it. All right. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Rob. It's great.

It's an honor. and a pleasure to be on with the world's second foremost expert on the Eagles backups here. My Front Page Story.com. Back on the other side. All right, we are back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. We are officially in Bovertime. I mean, how does it feel? Good to hear from Ross.

You notice it's not E.J. Time because it's never E.J. Time sometimes. We've had E.J. Times in the past. Maybe once. So how do you think we landed on the backup quarterback, I mean the Eagles backup knowledge debate here? I mean, let's be fair. Let's be honest. I don't even know who Brandon Johnson was.

Come on. I mean, I don't know. He throws the Olive Garden gift card at me? I know that you're going to put your head on the pillow tonight, and you're going to be unpacking the day. No. And that Olive Garden gift card is just going to keep you up at night. No, no, you're wrong about that.

because something so preposterous is, like, that's water off a duck's back. Can I be honest? Yeah. I think the Olive Garden criticism has gone a little too far. I have no problem with an Olive Garden. It's like, fine. It's like if you know what you're getting into at an Olive Garden, I've had good meals at Olive Gardens.

Like, I've had enjoyable times at an Olive Garden. I mean, I haven't been to an Olive Garden in quite a long time. It's been a while. But, like, when I was younger, my dad and I would go, you get the pasta. I can't pronounce it something. I'm going to try. I don't even know what you're going for. The pasta.

Primavera. Pasta Vajouou. Okay, pasta vizul, yeah. Yeah, I think I did a... Yes, like a pasta Fazule, that's a moray. Breadsticks? Speaking of a moray.

It's okay. It's all right. The Olive Garden lovers out there. Speaking of that's Amoree, let's talk a little bit about the Patriots availability last night. Let's start with Big Milt. Big Milt.

Yeah, boy. Did you... You were camped out at Milton Williams. Did you ask him, Hey, Milton, why do you think Morojojo is better than you are? No. He was at the podium. If he was off podium, I probably would have been a little bit more willing to take.

Okay. I mean, not to ask him that specific line of questioning, but to talk to him more about Moro Gomo. But I did ask him why he calls Moro Jomo mean Moe, and that was a fun story. Oh, what did he say? He said that, you know, Moro Jomo had lost a rep in practice early in his rookie season, and that Tracy Rocker got in his face and was yelling, are you mean, are you mean? And Moro Jomo was trying to convince Tracy Rocker that he was mean. So a little bit of good color about what goes on in the Eagles practice field.

He said an interesting thing about how the philosophy in the Eagles D-Line room, which you tried to bring to New England, is you better not lose a one-on-one. Yeah. Like if you're doing one-on-ones, it doesn't matter if you're double. You better not lose. Otherwise, you're going to really hear about it. That is an interesting, like, historic, like, it's become historical for these Eagles defense attacks at this point. You know, or at least it's become habitual that it's like somebody's going to draw the double team.

You have to take advantage. So that's fair. No, it was good to hear from Milton. So I do think it was newsy that he said that he didn't get an offer from the Eagles going into free agency. I think that the important context there would be the Eagles probably knew they weren't going to be able to retain Milton Williams because of the market that he would command. And as a result, instead of giving him like an insulting offer of what they could afford, they let him explore his market.

I think it's probably along the lines of the agent lets the team know what the asking price is and the Eagles, and then, you know, Milton's not the one asking that. So there is a one-way line of communication, and the Eagles say, unfortunately, we can't match that. But it is interesting that they didn't even make an effort. Right, yeah, I think it speaks to the fact that they knew they wouldn't be able to afford it. It is newsworthy. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

I'm not trying to soften it. I mean, he's a great player that the Eagles would have loved to be able to keep. I do think that they had the succession planning in place to replace them, as we've talked about on the show in Morrow-Ojoma. But, yeah, no, I mean, like I said, it was good to see Milton. Milton, he is the only player with a chance to go back to back in the Super Bowl. That's true. No Darian Kennard this year.

No Darian Canard. And unfortunately, Patrick Johnson was not on the roster last year, but we did get to talk to Patrick Johnson. I love talking to Patrick Johnson. He's a nice guy. What a great guy. Really nice guy. Towards the top of my rank, I should have voted for him for the good guy in the media voting. Can I tell the audience about what you did?

Probably not. Okay. All right, never mind. We had a lovely conversation. Yeah, let's say Bow and Patrick Johnson had a really nice conversation. Like it just felt like they were friends by the end of it. We've been friends the whole time. Yeah, but really I could feel the friendliness between you too.

All right. And the other thing we've got to tell you about, of course, is the man. The person who, I would say arguably most responsible for the Patriots being in the Super Bowl. Given the play he made in the, I mean, what's, what are you laughing at? Most responsible. Yeah. The Patriots won that game 10 to 7. The only touchdown they scored was on a strip sack by,

Christian Ellis. Okay. If that play doesn't happen, we're doing the Broncos here. There was a long journey to that point, but I'm not here to stop on your mind. They got to that point, thanks to everybody. They don't get to the final stage without the most important play having been made. Okay. All right.

You convince me. And longtime listeners know that Christian Ellis, of course, was on the Eagles before they made the preposterous decision on its face at the time. to wave Christian Ellis, which then led to a nice impassioned sermon on the show. So we wanted to catch up with Christian to see if he had heard about this, if he recognized this in any way, if he's aware of the love that I have been foisting upon him for some time. Of course, a former Bowulf Camp Crush, I believe the only two-time Bowulf Camp Crush, I believe the only two-time

Bowulf Camp Crush Two-time. And I was a little bit too nervous. Let's see how it goes. All right, we are here at Super Bowl Media Night.

This is my fifth Super Bowl. I don't really get Starstruck at these things. You know, probably my own problem. But tonight, I'm a little bit nervous. I think Christian Ellis is going to be here. I had your bat.

When Howie waived you, I let everybody know that he was making a mistake. Okay, so we believed in you. We did a whole thing, and we just want you to know that you had support along the way. I appreciate it. Congratulations on all your success. Yeah, no, thank you. So this week, I did a whole sermon about the mistake that he was making. Oh, after I got released.

It was the next day. Praise the Lord. I'm excited to watch it. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, that's a little bit of a snippet of it. Yeah. Unfortunately, there was, he'd already been talking about his Eagles past in that interview, so he didn't want to fully go back to get back down that road.

I understand that. But it had to feel good to see him. I mean, one waiver decision that was farcical on its face at the time, did somehow lead to both teams then going to the Super Bowl. because, you know, if the Eagles have Christian Ellis, they don't sign Zach Bonn. They don't sign Zach Bonn. Now, maybe they still go because the level of play at linebacker is still good enough.

Christian Ellis is the Zach Bonn. But if you have Christian Ellis, you don't need Zachon. You certainly don't draft Jahad Campbell. I'm sorry, my brain is... They viewed him, as he said in that interview. They viewed him as just special teams. They didn't think that he had the ability to stay on defense. Boy, were they wrong!

What was the name? Is it Casey Tooh? Nicholas Morrow. Casey Toohill? Casey Tohill, another egregious mistake. If Casey Two Hill ever makes it to the Super Bowl, like, will you like, will that, I mean, that will only embolden you? The Casey 201 one was really, really, really bad, but the Christian Ellis one was worse. Hmm.

Okay. I mean, I defer to you on incorrect bottom of the roster decisions. I think that is one of your strong suits. One of the many strong suits. It will, it truly will require another Super Bowl for the Eagles for how. Roseman to make up for that mistake. I mean, especially if Christian Ellis wins one. All right.

Anything else you want to get off your chest here? No, I think that, I mean, listen, we have a lot of good stuff on the show today. So, no, I think I'm good. I'm excited for our discussion tomorrow, you know, to kind of tease that for the listeners. Talk a little bit more about Jalen Hertz tomorrow. We're going to talk a lot about Jalen Hertz tomorrow, and I think it's going to be good. I think we've got some good minds joining the show tomorrow. Nate Tice.

Nate Tice. Ben Solac. Benny Souls. AJ Brown. Maybe. Maybe you'll ask AJ Brown what he thinks of Shio Koppati? I guess. And Brandon Graham is going to be with us tomorrow.

So we're looking forward to all of that. Tomorrow, different time for us. 4.30 Eastern. Stay with us. And tomorrow is a big day. Big brothers, big sisters. Tomorrow is the day that we are raising money for the good folks at Big Brothers, big sisters.

So do stay tuned. Should be a jam-pack show. Hopefully we're making a difference here while we're out here. in San Francisco. And then we'll be live on Thursday at 4 o'clock and on Friday as well. So thanks to everybody for staying with us and watching the show today.

Thank you to Deontay. Thank you to Clint Kubiak. Thank you to Ross Tucker. Thank you to Drew Locke. Thank you most importantly to Christian Ellis. We will talk to you tomorrow. Thank you, Lindsay and Ben, for doing all the work behind the scenes.

And as always, we love you.