PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - What will Zach Berman learn at the NFL Combine from Philadelphia Eagles GM Howie Roseman?

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Pack your bags, Bermanoid, it’s time to fly to Indianapolis and boy will your arms be tired. Is Howie Roseman going to spill the beans on his intentions with Zack Baun, Mekhi Becton, Milton Williams and Josh Sweat? Who is going to be the Eagles’ new quarterbacks coach? What’s Howie’s forehead looking like these days?Join Zach and Bo as Combine week gets started in Philadelphia before the Berm man sets sail. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.HLY Eagles podcast on an actually beautiful Monday afternoon. Bon Wolf, Zach Berman here in studio as he prepares to head off to Indianapolis for the Combine later tonight. How you doing? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm going to be here with you and Julia and excited for the week ahead. Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani will speak tomorrow, right? Tomorrow afternoon?

Tomorrow afternoon it sounds like. Got a lot of questions that you want to ask. You haven't talked to him since he got hit in the face with a loaded beer. That's true. Do you think that's going to come up? Well, I'm actually curious to see the state of the forehead, aren't you? Like, I will make sure I get a photo. It has been, what, two weeks?

A week and a half, a week and a half. A week and a half. Given the rawness of it when we last saw it, I don't know. What are you expecting? A scab? I think it's going to be mostly healed. You think it's going to be mostly healed? I feel like there will be some remnant, don't you?

I saw some photos of him yesterday. Okay, could be creepy. Let's find out how creepy. He appeared. He had an autograph signing at the Oxford Valley Mall. I was not able to attend. Oh, interesting. But the inquirer was there.

And... Oh, interesting. Looks pretty good, right? Yeah, I see no remnant of it, actually. Fishing. You get an inside job here? I don't know. I feel like, given how gnarly it looked the day up,

I wouldn't have expected it to be completely healed in a week. Maybe how he's a wolverine, yeah. Maybe he heals quickly. Maybe that's the explanation for all of his success. I mean, he might have been out of town last week. Maybe he had that in a bandage with some... I thought you're suggesting that he had like a quick surgery to fix it or something like that. Some neosporn and get that thing, get that thing healed pretty quickly.

In a week, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, chat. Would you expect the whole full thing to be gone in a week? Well, we'll find out tomorrow. I mean, it could also just be some makeup. It could be. Do you think he put makeup on for the signing? I don't know, potentially, if he knew that you were going to be sending surreptitious paparazzi

to be taking pictures of him. I got a text on Friday from someone saying, hey, Howie's going to be appearing at the Oxford Valley Mall. But it wasn't the talk to Hallie. You got sparrows everywhere, man. I wanted to go. But we had the birthday party circuit we had to go to, you know, Sloan and Rita birthday parties at the same time.

So we split it up. Feels like these kids continue to get in the way of the work that you want to do. They do. But it's for good reason, right? But anyways, yeah, so Howie, looking forward to speaking to Howie, looking forward to speaking to Nick. It's been too long since I had the chance to speak with them. And this is the combine is the transition from the end of the season to the off season, right? When they speak at the combine, it's officially offseason.

in time. It's not, you know, it's not typically wrapping things up from the season. I'll always remember at the 2018 combine Doug Peterson showing up wearing the like Super Bowl champion jacket. Oh, yes. That was just like very much like flex it out while you got it baby. Yeah, I remember that year too, Howie's saying

that he's going around. Everyone's kind of complimenting him. It just makes him more motivated. Do you think that Nick Siriani will be wearing any Super Bowl merch? Good question. I think Nick is a top of the drawer guy, right?

So whatever. Like, I don't think Nick puts as much thought into what he's packing. You know, he typically has like the Sixers thing or the Phillies thing at the Combine. I think Howie spends more time thinking about packing than Nick does. But do you think that Nick spends more or less time

than Doug did? I think Nick spends less time than Doug did too. Okay. Yes. So my guess... So you don't think so. A Super Bowl merch? Maybe not.

Okay. Yeah, I'm guessing no. Okay. I'm guessing no. We'll see. We will see. What about Howie? No.

No, no, no, no. He's done so. He's like Jalen. He's done celebrating that. He's got work to do. I don't know if he's done celebrating it, but at least publicly, yes. Yeah, so I want to get into the things that you want to learn from Howie. Maybe we'll do a little bit of a role playing later on in the episode.

I know your favorite thing. And then you want to know if we think the combine is overrated. I want to know if you think the combine is overrated. Okay. Well, we can have that discussion. Yes. You think, well, you know what? Let's start with the injuries, Zach.

Because there have been some updates since we last spoke and since you and Fran spoke on Friday. What is the news? So as Mike Garofo, as Mike Garifola reported, Nolan Smith, horn triceps. Wild. Should be good for the start of training camp, it sounds like. But that's a long recovery here. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, you know, it's obviously in the context of knowing that Brayson's,

and Graham just had this expedited recovery, but to know that it occurred in the beginning of February and it might keep him all the way out until like, you know, the preseason, that's a long. That is a long one. Now, as we all saw, and you saw firsthand in that postgame locker room, he had some good pain, I want to say medication, good pain relief, I would put it.

Because he was spraying that champagne and then at the, parade, Nolan Smith really seemed to be enjoying himself. But now he suffered the torn triceps. And yeah, expect to be ready for the start of the season. So we'll see. I mean, it explains why he was playing like the lowest percentage of snaps he had played basically since the second half of the season in that game. And why Josh Sweat snaps rose up so much, right?

You were wondering, we were wondering why that was. This explains it. That explains it. Do you think that this injury changes anything? for the way that the eagles approach the offseason at that position? Not at that position, but I am curious to see, and this is something I wanted to ask, ask you, is that there are a handful of players coming off injuries that we know of, and there's probably more, right?

You know, we know Cam Jerkins is having surgery. Atlanta Dickerson said clean out day, he's having surgery. I imagine there's other players who might be cleaning stuff up. Do you think the way Nick approaches the offseason program changes? because a big thing last year was that they worked more during the spring than they did the year before when they were coming off the Super Bowl

and one of the things they said is it was a longer off season. Do you think now maybe they pull back a little bit more in the spring? I would imagine so, especially if part of the reason was that their season ended earlier last off season. I would think so.

I also think, you know, the Eagles have earned the benefit of the doubt in terms of like a workload in the off season, whether that's the spring or the, the summer given how well things turned out over the course of this season only one week one starter not available in the Super Bowl right so yeah as much as as much as some of us might want to complain that they're not hitting no you know the second week of

training camp like I think they've deserved the benefit of the doubt here but there was a major emphasis last off season on conditioning right and so you just wonder I wonder what training camp's going to be like yeah that's I think the conditioning will be a thing because I mean you know don't tell Vic Fangio that you just because the team went to the Super Bowl last year, that he's not going to be able to play his guy's 75% of the snaps, right? Like, that's not going to fly? No, J. Alex Hunt had that nugget.

Yes. Was it on Pat Gallen show or a different show? I apologize that I'm not crediting it correctly. But that after the parade preparation meeting, Vangelo met with the defense and told them the 22 points in the second half or whatever it was was unacceptable. Yes. Did you think that that was in jest or you think that was fully serious?

I don't think it was fully... Maybe that's the beauty of Vic Vigandio. I don't think it was fully ingest. Yeah, I think that's part of what makes Vic Fangio, Vic Fangio. Okay, there you go. Anything else? From the injury front, Newsy.

Newsie, so since we spoke, Brandon Staley, officially going to the New Orleans Saints, so Christian Parker remains, as Rich Hoffman put it in the newsletter today, and make sure you're subscribing to Rich's newsletter. The best newsletter, the best newsletter in the city. He said that,

Cal Moore is recreating the 23 Chargers. without Justin Herbert, right? Yes. So I, yeah. Well, you really got you with that line. I thought that was a good line. I didn't think of it that. You're going to break just off that line.

But Brandstale, he wasn't a good defense coordinator with the Rams. I don't know if he was as good as it might have been framed nationally, but. What's how you framed it a week ago? No, so if you saw some of the reports, he'd seen like he was the architect of the Bears defense. He was a part of too. Right, and that was more, I would imagine, a fancio creation than a Brandon Stoey creation. Nonetheless, I do think it was a good coordinator higher and he has the head coaching experience. So Nicopi Dean, Cam Juergens, Nolan Smith, Lennon Dickerson are four players that we know are getting offseason surgeries.

Okay. Let's talk about what the egos want to accomplish this week while they're in Indianapolis. Zach, you have, you believe there are three things they need to leave Indianapolis knowing. Yeah, well, there's more than three, but there's three that I'm going to give you here. Okay. Start with number one. It's a fun topic of conversation. Okay.

Number one, Zach Bond's market. I think it's essential that they come back from the combine, knowing what it's going to cost to keep Zach Bond. Explain to the uninitiated how they will go about doing that. What is this week like for Howie Roseman? So you speak to agents of all the players. So you're allowed to legally speak to the players, the agents of the players on your team. right what will take to keep him you're not supposed to be able to talk to the agents of other players but everyone does right and so typically zach bond's agent are always ways around it

jack bond's agent has a sense of what the marketplace is going to be for his client uh come for agency the eagles will know what zach bond's asking price is they'll also as we talked about with a walkaway number they'll know how close their walkaway number is probably to zach bond's market But I think it's imperative. If Howie said to me, Zach, I'm heading to Indy, what's one thing I need to accomplish when I'm there? I would tell him, you need to know what it's going to cost to keep Zach Bond. Because I think the Zach Bond market influences the rest of the offseason. For this reason, too, for like Milton Williams is important.

I would say Josh Sweat's obviously important. Obviously, Mackay Beckton's important. But I think that if those players left, they know what they're like they could play with the roster that they have. They have more internal replacements. If Zach Bonn leaves a linebacker, it changes the entire complexion of the defense. Like we said, we don't know about Nicopa Dean status. They don't have, I mean, Zach Bonn was a defensive player of the year candidate. There's a major delta between him and anyone else on the roster there.

And I frankly think anyone you would sign in the free agent market. So it changes your defense. So it's imperative that you know what it will cost to keep Zach Bond. Yeah, so a couple things. First of all, yeah, like, you know, Howie's going to be having dinner this week with all different agents, right? He's going to be meeting with different teams. Like this is, this is information gathering. He is someone who wants to be like the most informed person in the NFL information market. That's what this week is about. He will get to the bottom of that. And I think you're right about the bond trickle down because it's not as if like let's say they're willing to spend, $17 million on Zach Bonn. If they're not able to sign Zach Bonn for that, they're not spending $17 million on a different linebacker. Yes.

They're not spending $9 million on a different linebacker. They're going to reallocate that money in a much different way, right? Whether that is maybe they find a different premium position or whatever it is. I don't think that they're going to change the way that they approach the linebacker position if they can't get Zach Bond. But then if they are able to get Zach Bond, then all of a sudden you've got $7. million dollars that you are not going to spend at whether it's like let's say safety right

like if they don't sign Zach Bonn maybe you're thinking okay trev trevin merrig is a possibility because we're going to sign an ascending player at a at a position where we're not loaded to backfill for a linebacker the trickle down there is is much more interesting and i like i think i think howie will leave this week having a pretty good sense of the way that the zach bonn thing is going to go, don't you? I would. Now, things always develop during that week and a half in between, right? Like a year ago, do you think that Howie left Indy thinking I'm going to get Seiqua? I think he left Indy, knowing what it would take to get Sequin, is my guess. Now, I mean, it took him two hours, right? His, his phone got checked. I don't think he was telling

Sequin about the Penn State part. No, of course not. No, no, I, I, I, I, I, I, No, but if Howe is watching. He knows the deal. He knows the rules. Exactly. Yeah. As you framed it well, like the last person is going to violate those rules is how. I think, yeah.

But no, like, for instance, James Bradbury a few years ago, the Eagles went into free agency thinking James Bradbury's market was going to be different. They went into free agency expecting C.J. Garner's market to Frank would be what it was. C.J. Garner Johnson had aspirations. It would be different. But for instance, you think back to our time covering the team. I think the Eagles were hopeful. that they'd be able to sign Byron Jones back in 2020 when they left the combine.

But then they saw that that price was going to be too high. So they had to go to Plan B, which was J. Vaughn Hargrave. But the reason you're able to pivot, like when you're on the clock and free agency, is because you know what these prices are. We've done that work, right? Exactly. So you're very seldom kind of caught on day three, like how the Eagles were in 2015, where they had all this extra money.

And it's like, let's go sign to Marco Murray, right? A couple of things. First of all, let's say, you know, some of the top free agency rankings are out today. Yes. You know, Milton Williams's top five, Zach Bonn and Josh Sweat are sort of consensus also in the top 10. Between Zach Bond, Milton Williams, Josh Swet, Mackay Beckton, which of those four do you think is most likely to have a different market than expected? Great question. So if we are expecting Milton Williams to be one of the five highest paid players in free agency,

non-quarterback or whatever, sweat and bond to both get significant money, and Mackay Beckton to be getting like starting guard caliber money, I mean, $10 million or so, which of those four do you think, whether it's much higher or much lower, which is most likely to surprise us or the Eagles? I think surprise, well, I'll speak for myself here. I think Zach Bond's market's most likely to surprise me in terms of being lower than I think. I think that's possible. Yeah, because I think the league could look at it and say it's a perfect situation, right?

He's in his age 28 season that he's not getting $20 million that Roquant Smith got or even maybe it's closer to Patrick Queen last year in free agency than Tremaine Edmonds, right? Yeah. And I think, as I've been saying, I think the Milton Williams won. if you said to me that a milt is the highest paid unrestrict free agent this year it wouldn't like i i don't want to say surprise me but like i think that's within the range of possibilities here yeah okay what about you i think that that's probably right i agree with that i also think it's possible that mackay beckton has less of a market than expected okay yeah you've i don't want to say you've been

fading i don't want to say you've been fading uh beckton but but you've been more in the camp of of Like maybe Philly's overrating what Bechton was this year. It's not even what he was this year, just how replaceable that was. Like, I think the lesson of signing Mackay Bechtin the week of the draft for $5 million and him turning into a Pro Bowl caliber player is not, it's different than the Zach Bond lesson. I don't think that that lesson is, oh, well, we need to keep Mackay Bechton. I think to me the lesson is we can turn talented players in this system into a starting caliber guard like you know jedrick wills is a free agent this offseason it's a very similar

profile he's not as physically imposing as macaibectin is but i think the the the template of let's bring in a first or second round caliber player who was a tackle move him to guard with stoutland i think that that's replicable yeah whereas i don't think you can expect well you know vick found this guy who's uh not really an inside linebacker and turned him into a defensive player of the year candidate. I think you can expect Vic is going to get more out of a guy at that position. It's his specialty, right? But I don't think you can expect that level of play.

Agreed. So that's one thing. The other thing I was going to ask is just about Bonn. I don't remember what the question was. I'm trying to find it. Hmm. Well, I'm lost.

Do you think that worst host in the city? No, best host in the city. Do you think there's a better chance that Zach Bond makes 18 plus or 13 and fewer? I think there's a better chance he makes 18 plus. Okay. What about you? Yeah, but again, like I, again, as, and I always say this, my soft spot, or I shouldn't say

soft spot, my blind spot is because I cover the Eagles, okay, I tend to maybe overrate how good the good players are and then like I have a good beat on like how bad like oh that guy significantly like when when Hala Pula Vati Vita got that contract again like I like Big V

but I was like that's a major over overspend like he's a replacement level player I felt like right and then like Zach Bonn I viewed Zach Bonn I'm like I haven't seen a linebacker play like this in 13 years covering the team

and I just wonder if I'm overrating that. But to me, Zach Bonn was a top five linebacker in the NFL. He's hitting the open market. He should be paid like a top five linebacker in the NFL. We mentioned Big V. Who is the last player who left the Eagles in free agency

who like made them regret it? Regret what the way they played or that they regretted letting go. Regretted letting go. I think well, they regretted letting go C.J. Garner Johnson, but not based on the way he played in Detroit. I think they just, they saw the way that. Who left the Eagles and looked like a good deal? Who do they make a bad decision about?

Who do they make a bad decision about? It's good question. Yeah, I mean. I mean, as a veteran in free agency, it's hard to think of them. I don't think Sayamalu. I think they had a good beat on who Sayamalu was. I don't think Hargrave. Probably honestly, some of them, it's like Russell Douglas.

I know. I was thinking of that too, but that's not the same thing. That's roster cut downs. Exactly. In the unrestricted market, maybe Nelson Agilore, but his days were done. I mean, I don't think so. I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's a good point. I don't think there's anyone. Now, listen, most free agent contracts turn out to be bad bets. Yes. And the Eagles have actually, like, I think, you know, we talk a lot about their draft track record the last couple years over Howard Roseman's tenure. Their free agency track record relative to the rest of the league is much better than their draft track record. now the Bryce Huff one sort of stands out as a sore thumb there but you know their their free agency track record is really remarkable actually

I remembered my other question yes so if the trickle down of if they don't sign bond do you think that this means that we have talked about if you know with Bonn and Milton and sweat in particular they're going to be thinking about racking up compics It's going to be part of the process. Do you think if they don't sign Zach Bond that they will sign a high-level free agent or do you think that they will reallocate that money with trades?

Yeah, I think they released free agents. Well, like, as we spoke about on Friday show, I do think the Eagles are going to explore Miles Garrett. I think that, and we discussed that at the Super Bowl, you and I think that's going to be something. I'm not saying they're going to acquire him. I don't think Howie will just not call Andrew Berry about Miles Garrett.

I expect that to happen. But, yeah, if they don't sign Zach Bonn, I think they look for the next Zach Bonn. I think you'll hear me talk about Baron Browning a lot next week in our free agency discussions. I think Baron Browning is the profile player that they would look at. Sir Baron von Browning. Yeah, I don't see it that way.

I'm aware of that. Okay. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll get back and find out what the second thing. Zach thinks the Eagles need to leave Indianapolis knowing here on the PHLA Eagles show. Whatever the moment, it's

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No. No. We can keep persisting. He might not make that roster. I think we could keep the watch open. Well, Kell and Moore's not here anymore. That was part of the connection. That was part of the connection.

The ham. Yeah, I think Donald Parham, look. Parham, part human. The Eagles are in the tight end market. That actually brings me to my second thing, in part, perhaps because they didn't bring in Donald Parham. But I liked them coming out of Stetson. I bet you did.

Actually, that doesn't sound like a kind of probably you would have liked. I like them coming out of Stetson. Okay. Yeah. In my mock draft today, I had all players from, I had like six SEC, guys and and one big 10 guy and I felt bad about that I actually my original mock draft I had a different first rounder from the ACC and then but it conflicted so much with franz grade that

I wanted to respect franz grade but um but yeah I mean I I do lean toward the big school players it would have burned me last year with quinyon okay what's number two number two is have a sense of what you're going to do with Dallas Goddard. And I say this, I respect the, I've received a few notes saying like the Dallas Goddard thing is a P-HL-Y creation. Like this isn't being speculated elsewhere. We've talked about it.

I saw a response to when Denise put up the flu world order. Like you guys have got it way lower than it is. I mean, I had him pretty high. But this is the thing with Dallas Goddard. I'm not saying he's not going to be here next year, but he has no guaranteed money left on his contract, right? So one would presume that they're going to do something, whether it's restructing, maybe they give him an extension.

Maybe they bring down, you know, they try to bring down his cap number this year. Maybe they seek to trade him. I don't think they're going to release him. If they released him, he would be by far the top tight end on the open market. But I bring this up because, similar to the Zach Bond thing, those other players we discussed, Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Mackay Beckton. If those players left, I think the Eagles have internal placements ready.

They don't have that with Dallas Goddard. If Dallas Goddard's back, you're bringing back every starting skill player. You're basically bringing back your entire starting offense, right? Because you're assuming even if Becht and goes, Tyler Steen has the chance to step in. There's a chance all 11 players are back, or all 11 starters were on the team last year. Goddard's the big question. If Goddard goes, that's a major hole at tight end. So I think they need to know what they're doing with Goddard.

Either restructure the deal. if there's a trade market for him, I don't think Goddard is back at the number that he's on now. I think he's going to want guaranteed money, and I think it's, look, it's similar to Hassan Redick last year, right? Hassan Reddick didn't have that guaranteed money beyond the season. Yeah, the reason that I, of the three of us, who am more convinced he's going to be back,

is just that given their window, like this is a Super Bowl caliber team, I don't think they're going to be in the business of letting a good player go for nothing. Yeah. Now, maybe there's a trade market that develops, but, you know, barring, trading for your boy, Kyle Pitts, like, I think it's just there's a, the status quo is more likely. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm expecting. I do think that there's probably a restructure coming. Yeah, so a restructure coming and a restructure would be done, presumably, before the start of free agency.

So you're leaving the combine with a sense of what you're doing with Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard's like, look, I want to be paid like a top five tight end in the league. When I signed the contract extension, he signed that deal in 2021, right? It's 2025 now. He's at a different stage in his career. The tight end market hasn't changed like the guard market has, for instance, but Goddard's not where he once was in that market. So I think that there must be a decision made about Dallas Goddard.

And the other thing, look, you should all be subscribing the Franz draft guide by now. Franz doing an awesome job. He'll be in Indy for the full week. And we'll have a lot of updates on that draft guide once you get the standardized testing. Unlike some previous years, this is a really good tight end draft class. And, you know, not to say the Eagles are going to draft a starting tight end this year, but there have been years in the past where it's like, ooh, the tight ends aren't particularly good. This year, you know, I was listening to the draft show that you,

that you and Fran did, he likes Arroyo from Miami, right? You know, Tyler Warren and Colton Loveland are considered first-round picks. You know, Howard, I'm sorry, Harold Fanon from Bowling Green, Mason Taylor from LSU. There's going to be, you know, six, seven tight ends taken in the first three rounds this year. Yeah, which is why, like, they have, to your point about figuring out what Goddard wants, you know, I think the easiest solution is a one-year-old. your deal essentially where he gets guaranteed money.

They bring the number down a little bit and they're able to approach the offseason as if they're trying to find his replacement long term. Exactly. So that, and I think that's the best outcome, frankly, for both sides, unless Goddard views it like, this is his chance to get paid. Exactly.

All right, what's number three? It was your last one. Yeah. And then, and the number three, I wanted something more draft related. And that is the standardized testing for the edge rushers, right?

Like, I think, so the edge rushers perform on Thursday. And I think that's one where we'll have, this is, it's considered the strength of this draft class, the edge rushers and defensive linemen. But, you know, the athletic testing for those guys can jump out. So if you're looking at it, like there's, you know, seven, eight guys who athletically are marvels, right? Maybe that affects the way you view this offseason. Maybe you're saying like you're going to get a contributing edge rusher at 32. You don't know if that's going to be the case. But I think the testing, because edge rusher is a position where athletic testing really does matter.

And teams do view that, you know, armline, things like that too, not just the athletic testing, the standardized testing. Yeah, I think as actually we talked about with Fran the other day, it's probably the position where you would mostly lean towards traits over production, potentially. I don't think though that at 32 they're going to change their entire off-season plan based on the testing results of one position because as you said there's no guarantee they're going to enter the draft having every spot filled in their mind. Yes but you want to like is this

so I picked edge rushers for the reason you mentioned it is a combined position it is considered the strength of this class and it is a need for the Eagles so you'll have more information about this edge rushing class coming out of Indianapolis than you have going in England. Well, maybe one of the trickle-down effects of that

is what I'm, you mentioned it before, but I'm surprised that this wasn't one of your three and that was. Brandon Graham? No. What's the, what's the Miles Garrett market? What's the asking price?

That's a good point. That probably should be. I mean, that should be number one, frankly. And I think to this was the one part of the discussion you guys had on Friday that, that I would expand on is that what makes it, what makes like the Miles Garrett situation a little bit different is there aren't going to be 32 31 bidders right it's not like he's on

the open market exactly if they trade him he is going to have a say in where he goes 100% and so you know this is where uh you know whether it's how we putting uh the whisper in his agency or finding out that this is one of four places he's willing to go like that's going to change it and so like the winner's curse of free agency doesn't all the way apply here because you're It is probably a shallower pool that you're waiting in. And if like this is really where he wants to go, he can force his way here. You're absolutely right. And then it's just like, okay, what's equal value?

Do you put anything into AJ Brown's comments? Oh, I didn't see that. E.J. Brown's comments. Yeah, AJ was, he was asked about the offseason. I should credit the show that it was on. I forget the show that it was on. But he said the guy, he wants him to get his Miles Garrett, right? like outspoken about it.

And I don't think he's going to be the last one to say that. I think there's going to be like open recruitment from the Eagles about my, I mean, Miles Garrett might be the best defensive player in football. The Browns are saying they're not going to trade him. Miles Garrett has been pretty clear. He's not going to play for the Browns. Like you said, there's a limited market here because he has to, he's going to want to sign an extension.

Right. It's somewhere that he's going to be able to sign. Like, he's going to have to be willing to sign. Exactly. And it's also, frankly, a team. that their time frame corresponds with trading for an age 29 player. Because, you know, if you're the, I don't know, like a team here, the New England Patriots, you're probably not trading for Miles Garrett.

Sure. Right? That's a team that has a lot of caps. Nor does he want to go there. Yeah. So that factors into it too. And when I speak to Halley, one of the things I want to get a sense of is when they've done these trades in the past.

And I talked about this on Friday show. Jason Peters, AJ Brown, they made a big offer forge, George Allen Ramsey, where there are certain parameters that need to be hit from an age profile perspective, right?

From a position profile perspective because Miles Garrett would check off every box except the age profile. So let me ask you this. Would you rather have your boy James Pierce Jr.? Yeah. And Zach Bond,

you re-signed Zach Bonn at 18 million. or you trade 32 for Miles Garrett and you sign, you know, Tyrol Dodson or Kaiser White. Miles Garrett, without a doubt. I mean, I think, without a doubt. Now, this is the thing. I think it's going to require next year's first. But this goes to what you were saying about who are you bidding against, right? And that's where him having to say in the market is different.

And that's where also, and we talked about this at the Super Bowl, the Killeel Mac market, the Kaleel Mac market, or that's not necessarily precedent because he was three years younger at the time. Yeah. When you say you think it will require an extra first, you mean in addition to this year's? Yes, exactly. You think it'll take two firsts?

Well, that's, there was talk of that because that's what it costs for Khalil. Yeah, I don't think it's going to take two firsts. And I said on the show, I wouldn't do it because I get worried about trading a future first. Without no. Yeah.

I mean, obviously that's the gamble you take, but I would much rather trade the first this year when you know, you know, where it is, who's available, then, like, if J-1 Hertz goes down in week one, right? You could be looking at a top 10 pick. I mean, or you win the Super Bowl. Yeah, or that, yes.

Oh, because of Tanner McKay. I see what you said. Okay. I don't think it's going to take two first. Yeah. I could be wrong. I mean, if it does it. It could also be, you know, 32 and a second next year.

Second next year. Second next year. You know, I would trade, win the Super Bowl. I would trade 32 this year and a second next year. I would do that. I just wouldn't trade the first next year. Would you do a second this year in the first next year?

I'm less inclined to do that. I mean, Andrew Barry is a good negotiator, but I'm less inclined to do that. Would you do a second this year, a second next year, and Adam Barry? I like Adam. But yes. I think. Adam's a very nice man

I think Miles Garrett provides a more more value to the franchise than Adam if you're watching no disrespect I assume Adam would agree but in any respect

let me ask and now all joking aside if it's a first if it's a second and Tanner McKee a first a second and Tanner McKee yeah no no okay because because Tanner McKee's too valuable?

Yeah, first and a second and Tanner McKay. Yeah, I think that's too much. Okay. Although that's interesting. I mean, look, they're going to, they're supposedly in the market for all it takes. You think what? McKee's straight up. McKee's straight up. Could you imagine?

But yeah, that should have been my number one. I was thinking more stuff with the Eagles roster, but yeah, you're absolutely right. The Miles Garrett market, I'm not dismissing it because I think it's a real. thing for the Eagles. We will talk about this next week, but early on, are there any other players who you are attuned to as potential trade acquisitions? I'm not there yet. I mean, I'll hear more stuff this week.

Give us a little behind the scenes on a ZB over the next 48 hours. What kind of, how we're going to get our ear to the grindstone? Yeah, so actually, I was doing this math with my wife. I've spent over two months of my life in Indianapolis for the combine. Okay. We're having this conversation with my friend Joe the other day, who was, he was really upset about the fact that like you're supposed to brush your teeth for 90 seconds every time,

morning and night. He's like adding it up. He's like that's like, you know, it's like two weeks of the whole year you're brushing your teeth. Isn't that too much? No. No, not really.

It's 90 seconds at a time. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah, I agree. So, yeah, I mean, the two months in Indy, that's a lot. But, like, I don't know. Did you? No, actually, honestly, I do, I would, it is often too much time in Indianapolis. I like the combine, although it's, you know, as one job, turned to another job, turned to another job, right?

The role of it changed, like, the way I need to do a change. When I was at the Inquirer, I had to write two stories from the combine every day. So I was there for six, seven days. You're picking out a prospect that day and writing about it. That's not necessarily what the job is here. But so, so tomorrow is a, is the coaches and the GMs.

That's what Tuesday is. And I'll talk to Howie. I'll talk to Nick. I'll talk to some other coaches. Now, Kellan Moore is not going to be talking to media outside of New Orleans. He's not going to be on a, on a podium tomorrow.

But I'll catch up with Jonathan Gannon. I'll catch up with Shane Steichen. you're going to be right about that okay I'll catch up yeah I might write about Gannon and then I'll catch up with Andy Reid and then you see you know

honestly I'm actually curious what Jonathan Gannon's reaction to the Eagles Super Bowl defensive performances I wonder if I should ask I mean I'm trying to tailor my questions more to Phoenix but I know but I think that's kind of interesting to me

and then so that's That's Tuesday and as, look, the past five years, outside of 2021 because of COVID, I was at the combine with Bo and, and Bo knows how to work the nighttime circuit. You're, oh, yeah. Look, you're, you're good at the bar. Please. Yeah.

But that's, that's, I think he'll be fine without me this week. That's part of the combine. And, you know, I'll be meeting up with different people from, whether Philly, elsewhere, around the country, and then you run into people, you know, who work for four different teams, and there's chatting there. Try to get those, try to get those 45 seconds of FaceTime

at Barclay Prime, make it all worse than at 245 in the morning. Not Berkeley Prime, Prime, 47, yeah. Oh, yeah, whatever is. And then, typically I'm there for a few more meals than I'm at this year. I have a few things scheduled this year that will be keeping me from Cafe Padetoo for instance.

I'm not there as long as this is the shortest I've ever been at the combine in 12 years. So I'm a little self-conscious about that. Why? Why? Why are you self-conscious about it? I mean, if we want to open up a vein here. Yeah. Because a lot of it's, you know, playing defense and you never know what, you know, it's,

you never know what you're going to hear. You never know who you're going to talk to. I was walking down the street last year and chat with Kevin Stefanski for, you know, 10, 15 minutes. And like, you never know when these interact. So the less time you're there, the fewer of these interactions you have are. But, you know, we have a daily show. You got a life to live?

You got other stuff to do? It's mainly, we have a daily show. And I'm trying to make sure our shows are strong. It is true. We have a shorter period of time this year in between the end of the season and start a free agency. And so I feel like there aren't as bad, not to say they're, throwaway shows in the past, but like every show is really valuable. I thought these were the shows you liked. I thought this season went to throwaway shows to you.

No, no. Look, every show is an opportunity. I haven't had a good show since Brandon Brooks was here. That's not sure the draft. The draft is good shows. Okay. All right, let's take a quick break to hear from our sponsors. And on the other side, maybe we'll do a little bit of role play. Boy, is it time for me to tell you about glad hair restoration? If you have have noticed your hair is thinning or falling out or considered a hair replacement or hair loss prevention procedures, glad hair restoration is the place to do it. Their board certified experts have performed thousands of hair and plastic surgery procedures. Each patient receives a complementary one-on-one consultation to pinpoint the best course of treatment.

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you know these guys, you know their families, you see all they invest in the organization. And it's hard. It's the hardest part of my job is that I admit I do grow too emotional to it. But I think we're all byproduct of our experiences. And I think when I look at the years after we've made the Super Bowl in the past,

one of the mistakes we've had is maybe we clung a little too much to thinking that the group that was so special, the year before was going to be special the following year. So it's the hardest part of this job for me, but if I learn from my experiences, I realize some of the things that I could do better is not be so emotionally attached to the players that invest so much in this organization.

Howie, Olivia Reiner from The Inquirer. With Zach Bonn, I imagine it's difficult to unpack, you know, Vic being able to get that out of him versus what he was able to give. What kind of market do you expect for Zach Bond? Olivia, you wrote about three or four stories this year that were just outstanding. Now, all your stories are good, but you had, I think back to your C.J. Gartney's compliment.

How dare you, Howie's. I think back to your CJ Carter Johnson story during the Super Bowl week. That was really well done. Your dairy sleigh pieces as well. So you, you know, and you asked about Zach Bonn. I read a really good Zach Bond piece by you back in September. I remember when you spoke to his high school coach. So the Zach Bonn market, look, you have to grow in this job,

and you're not the same as you were five years ago. And I understand that linebacker is a hot button position in this city. And some of the criticism we've gotten for has been fair, and some of it might be overstated. But I think you have to look at each case individually. Zach Bonn is a special player. And so we can't necessarily look at it based on how we traditionally invested in that position.

I know Zach Berman, you Matick, you obsessively, weirdly keep track of everything I've ever said and you keep repeating how, you know, there's some positions where you need to trust your player development. Well, I think when you have a special player like Zach Bond, it requires special circumstances. So we'll have a walkway price. We always do. But I want to tell not just you, Olivia,

but every Eagles fan out there who is listening to this and watching this, we are going to do everything we can to make sure that Zach Bond stays with Philadelphia for the foreseeable future. Howie, Jeff McLean from The Inquirer, did you fake getting hit in the head with a beer can? Oh, I knew you were going to ask me that, Jeff. No, Jeff, look, did I fake it? What kind of question is that? I mean, is that what people are saying out there that I faked it?

man that that hurt but i'll tell you what i believe for the city i believe for the city um you know i put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this you know this jeff i mean well look you've been covering my entire time here uh but uh no that that thing hurt but it was worth it i'll tell you this jeff if if if uh if the price for having a parade up broad street is getting hit in the head sign me up for that every year how we do you do that's that you know Dave Zangero. Last offseason, there was a lot of work done to change the coaching staff. How did you feel about the way that the process went replacing Kellan Moore this time around?

Yeah, Dave, you know, I think our process was sound. There's a lot that happens behind the scenes that I don't think always comes to the public. And, you know, we did have a search and we spoke. I can tell you this. There's a lot of really good candidates out there. But also in this case, look, with Kevin Patoa, it's kind of like when you sign your own free agent, you know, you've lived with them.

You've, you've married them, right? I mean, it's like being set up on a date compared to, you know, uncompaired to marrying someone who you've been dating for a few years. And Kevin Patole's job interview, frankly, has not been, it was not what happened the week after the Super Bowl. Kevin Petowal's job interview is the past four years here. And we've gotten to know Kevin well, and we are confident that Kevin can do. But I also want to emphasize that that's Coach Sireani's decision.

That's not mine. I know people say that's me. And look, I have input, but that's Coach Sireani's decision. And Coach Sireani trusted Kevin implicitly. Howie, John McMullen, when you have so many players on your team who helped you win a Super Bowl, is it difficult to sort of guard against sentimentality when you're trying to resign, deciding whether to resign them or not? Yeah, John, I answered that.

I think Zach asked me that question. So I would just tell you to revert to the transcript on that one. Jimmy Kempski from Philly Voice. Where is the draft strong this year? So Jimmy, look, I want to be careful about saying this because, you know, if you look in your archives, I said 2017 was a historic running back draft class and it didn't necessarily. work out like that for us. And in 2020, oh, I'm sorry, 2019.

I said it was a historic defensive tackle draft class. I'm not going to say anything's historic anymore. You know, it's similar to that line I used about the quarterbacks. You know, you have to learn from your experience. I think there's good players at a lot of positions, but clearly, you know, we, we love watching the line of scrimmage. We watch it every year. And I think there's a lot of really good players on the line of scrimmage this year.

You know me. I mean, I always watch my gators. And man, every week those gators were playing. They saw a top edge rusher seemingly every week in the SEC. There's actually there's a guy on Ole Miss who the gators didn't get to keep. You know, that's the NIL world that we live in now. Howie, Zach Berman from all philhy.com. On Wednesday, September 29, you said that my.

Mackay Beckton, I don't know. I got nothing. And seen. Yeah, well, so Zach, I mean, I got nothing. You might be wrong from time to time. September 29th was a Sunday. We played against Tampa Bay that day. That's a game I like to forget.

It's a game you probably won't forget, Zach. I mean, you'll remind me of that for the next few years. Zach, do you, seriously, does your, How have you felt that winning a Super Bowl a second time has changed your, like, competitive zeal? You know, is it, have you found the second to be different than the first? Yeah, Zach, you know, look, this isn't the time for reflection, right? I mean, there's something that I, that I always say is, is that if you, you know,

if you stop and you're impressed with yourself, you're going to get kicked in the ass. And we're not going to be caught doing that, you know, I know, I know that. I know that, you know, you're always, you're always thinking about these books, right? There's, there's a lot of chapters left in my book, Zach. So, no, you know, there's going to be a day when I'll sit back and I'll reflect, but that time is not now. What I will tell you is that when you feel that confetti and you taste that cigar, man, you want that again. And you'll do anything to get that again. And so if anything, this football has made me more motivated.

And the problem with that is we're, we're six weeks behind. Like the Indianapolis Coles and Chris Bauer, they didn't make the playoffs, right? You know, they've had six weeks to prepare for this, right? So, yeah, we have a lot of catching up to do. All right, good stuff. That's it. All right, that was fun. That was fun.

What's a... You're very good at playing Howie. Yeah, I... It's all up here. I've, look, I will tell Howie this. I think I've told him this before. It's probably freaked them out. But I've spent more time thinking about Howie than I care to admit.

I don't know if I agree with that. I think you're proud. I think you're proud of how much you've spent thinking, how much time you spend thinking about Howie. No, because I'll put it this way. For as, as much as the audience thinks I think about them, like multiply that by 10. I don't know if that's true.

I mean, I can only, well, there are sometimes I don't hope you're not thinking about them but other than that all right let me ask you this combine is it overrated

it's it's become I mean even in our in this sense right wait why are you getting so low no I thought that was a height joke no no no it's because it started to drop okay then it was a funny vision so

so some of these coaches you know Kyle Shanahan's in the Sean McVeigh of the world they stopped going to the combine right and they think it's become, you know, too much of a, of a circus. And then, you know, a lot of the data you can find actually now with GPS tracking. I always say interviews and health aren't important, but there's different ways to do it. And that it's kind of, it's turned into this television event.

You know, Wright Thompson did a great piece in 2019 where he was talking to, like, coaches and GMs. and I think one said that like we all realize that we're just you know characters in the NFL's TV show when we're here right um so the actual utility of the combine has it has it passed us or do you still think you know Fran Duffy the best draft analyst in the business like they're not your favorite that's not true um that there's so much that can be but but friend and I've had some healthy disagreements on prospects this year um that there's there's some stuff you can glean um there's there's some stuff you can glean um there or there's so much you can glean that it is of significant value. I think it depends entirely on what you're, on first of all, who you are if you're in the media or if you're a team. But yeah, I think you take everything with a grand assault. I don't, I don't, I think the days of thinking that, you know,

Darius Hayward Bay's 40 time shoot him up to the top 10. I think the market has corrected itself on that front. But would Jordan Davis have been the Eagles pick in 14 if the combine didn't exist? Like if, if. Yeah, I mean, Probably not. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but I think all of that context matters.

I think if your question is, do the results matter? Yeah, of course they do. I think it's still very important to contextualize all of these guys athletically. I mean, like the conversation you guys had on Friday about Jalen Walker, where he sort of like skipped over what Fran said, that he didn't think that he was, he didn't look special athletically, and you just said, well, you think he's special athletically? Like, now you can actually get some results on that front.

And, you know, as Fran would tell you, the standardized medical results matter a lot. And I, you know, I think from like a GM standpoint, being where all the agents are and from the information perspective, all of that stuff matters, having everybody in the same place. So, yeah, I don't know that I think it's overrated.

I just think it's, the market has made it what it is. So I was thinking about this recently. the Eagles. Thanks for watching on Fast, by the way. Check out the rest of this episode on all p.hly.com. The Eagles best draft probably in the past five years, okay? Was 2021 when it was Devante Smith, the first round,

landed Dicker's second round, Milton Williams, third round. Now, granted, it's easier to hit on your first and second round pick when you're drafting at the top of those rounds than is later on. But that's a year when the Combine didn't exist that year, right? And the Eagles didn't have the, But they had the test results. From the pro days, yeah.

Right. So if the league didn't descend on Indianapolis, would it have a material effect on the way teams do their business? Yes, it would have an effect, but I don't think... Would have a negative effect. I think it makes things easier. I mean, you're standardizing everything. Yeah, you have better data.

I don't know. You trying to abolish it? No, no, no, no. Look, I want more. I want more events. I want more opportunities to speak to these guys. I want more opportunities to see people. Yeah.

So definitely not about, I mean, look, February, my life is, is, as I know it, it revolves around the NFL calendar. You know, February, go to the Combine, March, I go to the owners meetings, right? April's the, like, if that didn't happen, like, I would, I would kind of feel like, what's the, what, like, like, like, like, like, Like, Pavlov's dog is, is, is. Is that the expression? What's Pavlov's dog?

What's the Pavlov's dog thing? The bell? Yeah, exactly. So it's exactly what I'm saying. If I wasn't going to the owners and meetings next month, like it would get to that week and I would feel like what's going on here. You know, I'd get like thirsty or something, right? What?

A tough way to live. I think it's a wonderful way to live. It's a matter of, you know, it's a matter of perspective. I think it's a wonderful way to live. Yeah, anyways. It's what I enjoy. Okay. What are you going to be doing on a flight tonight?

Writing. What are you going to be writing? Some notes for the combine for all-pH-ly.com and some other stuff if I get to it. Although I don't have an internet subscription and I don't want to buy the internet, so it makes it a little tough. We'll have to figure that out. It's a short flight, so I don't know, maybe I'll read it. instead, but then again, I'll get to the hotel and I'll do work today.

What are you reading these days? A few different books. No, look, I am reading Mike Sealski's Magic in the Air. Okay. That's a good one. But there's a few, like, I don't want to say, not self-help books, but like books of that ilk. Is it the A.J. Brown book? No, I read an Internet.

I already read an interaction, so it was good. Okay. It was good. No, some other stuff. Some stuff could help me for the show. Some stuff could help me in life, right? Why are you so scared to say what it is? I don't want to open up a can of worms.

So. I'm worried. I'm worried about what this book is. Yeah. No, we don't need to get into that. So, your review of Friday. What's it? No.

How did the deal? No. It's ridiculous. No. Your review of Friday show. My review of Friday show? It was fine. Thanks, Phil. Okay. I thought you were a little nasally. You sound better today. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, it was a mailbag show. It's fine.

Big creative lift for you guys. Okay. All right. Look, that's fine. Yeah, no, I thought the, I thought the Jalen Walker conversation was funny. Why, because you thought I glossed over because. Yeah, I thought you basically didn't listen to what he said. I listened to exactly what he said. I think Jeline Walker is like, I don't have to just. But I also do, I mean.

I think he doesn't have to have no one Smith athleticism, but I think Jalen Walker moves well. I think Jailen Walker is a versatile player. I think Jailen Walker can play in different spots. I think the, I think, we don't need to, we don't need to, We don't need to relitigate positionless players, but I do think like the lesson of Zach Bond is not get a positionless player.

It's find his right, find his correct position. Okay. I mean, I think that if there's someone who has a skill set who can help you in different ways, then it's like what, what Professor Sheldman talks about, how you can play in the five-man front.

Zach Bond can, sure. You know, he can do different things, right? I actually think that- I don't have a strong. Dylan Walker opinion yet.

Okay. I'm not willing to bag on you for him just yet. I'm sure you're on Fran's side on James Pierce. I don't have a strong opinion yet. I haven't developed strong opinions. Someone did remark to me. They're like, they watched the draft show on Thursday and then our show.

And they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, a character in two different movies. Seriously. It's a different show. The whole draft show like building up Fran.

Everything is like, Debrillian's a friend, and then you get to me, and it's like, yeah, the person was like, there are two different job assignments. I don't know about that, but the person's like, man. I'm a positionless host, you know, one, one, I'm a linebacker, one I'm a head rusher. I got a message, the person listened to both shows back to back, and it's like, man, it's like, it was like, he was like starring in two totally different TV shows. Listen, all of a sudden, I'm in on positionless players, I guess. Yeah. Some superchats. Fresh Prince says read the AJ Brown trade in 2022.

The Eagles traded the 18th pick and the 101st pick to the Titans. That value is almost exactly equivalent to the 16th pick. Two can you name the 16th pick in the 2022 draft? 22 draft. So Traylon Burks was not 16, right? Berks was 18. Perks was 18. Kyle Hamilton was 15.

So was it Kenyon Green? Was it John Dotson? Dotson or Kenyon Green, I would say. I'm guessing Dotson since he's asking the question. E. Roses, where are the combos on your snack rankings? Combos. Combos are like bad, way towards the bottom. Yeah, I actually, I know what they are.

I'm not angry to this, but I haven't had a combo. Yeah, those are, I mean, way towards the bottom. By the way, bad news, remember the new character, on the show, the pregnancy pillow. Unfortunately, pregnancy pillow, we left it at the hotel at the wedding this weekend. So Rachel had to order a new one. Sorry to hear it. How was the wedding?

It was nice. Good. Yeah. Nice family event. Oh, it was John Thompson. Thank you very much. Yeah, good work, well done. Grace.

Super chat. She's saying spill about the books, Z, B. You got to do it now. I don't, Grace. I appreciate it. Grace. It was so nice to meet you out in Los Angeles. I appreciate it.

Our correspondence, I'm not at a position yet to discuss this. When the time is right, I will be ready to share more information. I just don't have much for you at this moment. But I appreciate the country. Basically flipping her the bird. I'm not flipping her the bird. There's some things you can discuss or some things you can't. I'm not at a position to discuss that at the moment.

Is it the joy of sex? What? Super chat from Kirk Adkins, who says, where is your stance on taking a quarterback in the later rounds? Where do we rank Will Howard in this class? So actually, Bo's actually done a lot of data on late round quarterback. So I'll see the floor to you. Well, yeah.

I mean, I think if you have a surplus of picks, it's worth taking a shot. The surplus value, if you can draft a backup quarterback in a late rounds, is fantastic. But the hit rate is remarkably low. It is, you know, I think the list of quarterbacks, drafted in the fifth round and beyond who have gone on to starting quarterbacks to become starting quarterbacks in the last 10 years is like Tyrod Taylor and Brock Purdy. And there's maybe one more in there. But it's like it's extremely rare. Yeah. And regarding Will Howard, I actually think the lesson from Tanner McKee. Now, Will Howard's a little different. He played a

K-State for three years is that there has to be a reason why that quarterback's available late in the draft, right? I mean, and so to me, like if you're the starting quarterback on the national championship team and you're throwing to the number one, you know, you're throwing to the guy who might be the number one pick two years from now and, you know, another first round pick in a mecca. And then, you know, you have, you have, you have Juckins and Henderson as your running backs and you have, you know, your offensive lines full of draft picks. Like, why are you available late in the draft? In Tanner McKee's case, I think probably he was brought down in part because of the team that he played for. So,

You have to find, it's not, if it was easy, then everyone would do it, but you have to find some type of inefficiency. And I think that that's typically the case for any late round pick. And it's something that Joe Banner's talked about. Like, you're not going to outsmart the rest of the draft on like the starting linebacker from Georgia, right? So. Well, you say that, but Nicopa Dean. No, I'm talking about like sixth, seventh round.

Okay. Right. So I'm talking about late day three. So in the case of Jalen Mills, for instance, Jalen Mills was dealing with an injury. There was off the field issues. Sometimes, for instance, a player's knock because they're undersized, right? And so there are things you can typically find, like, you know, T.J. Edwards, he was undrafted because of his 40 times.

So you have to find, like, I'll put it this way. If there's a starter from a big program who plays a lot of snaps and he has great He's not just going to surprisingly be on the board. You have to find why that player is available. So sometimes it's a small school guy, but you have to find the reason why that guy's available. CDP says if you knew someone that had their marriage ruined by Steve Smith, would you recommend they take it public on Twitter with embarrassing evidence?

I'm actually not aware of this story. I am aware of this story. Yeah, I am aware of this story, actually. Yeah, no, I think some things are better left behind closed. stores and imagine this is one of them. Vince checking in says, I think Grace was asking about what book you are reading now. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I thought that, yeah, that's what she was doing. Oh, I thought you were still obfuscating about that. Oh, no, I thought. She's not asking about a book project. She's asking, she was paying the money. She wants to know about the book that you're reading. Spill the beans. Is it a paying customer?

I know. She wants that pizza. I don't think the juice is worth to squeeze on that one. We got to know. No, it's a book about like, you know, how to deal with. Wouldn't it be easier to just say the name of the book? No. No, because it would create a whole can of worms that's not necessary.

We're going to find out eventually. You might as well rip the band-aid off. It's 70 minutes into the show. Most people are making it this far. It's a book. I read this book called Let Them. Okay. I'll leave it at that.

That's it? Yes. And so what? This is a sequel to that? What? Or this is the book? No, yeah. The book's called Let Them.

Let Them. Let them. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, this is going to be a whole thing now? No. this could have just you could have just like let said this in passing and it never would have been a big deal

and then now now it's because you have tried to hide it the let them theory a life changing tool that millions of people are talking about um okay yeah yeah um yeah it's a good book it's good book all right last super chat from rob that's a good way to end the show show. What is the most enduring image of the 2024 Eagles? Oh, I mean, for me, it's, it's the locker room scene, right? It's being in the locker room, uh, for sure. It's definitely being in the locker room. Um, I think for fans, it's probably Cooper the Jeans, pick six, maybe the snow game, right? Or, like, something, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, I was, I was with my brothers yesterday and they it was the first time I'd seen them since the Super Bowl and

they had asked me like the most memorable part of the Super Bowl and I said for me it was definitely the locker room and the post game party like being you know getting that type of exposure yeah what about you uh well I think if we're talking a specific still image I think like sort of the the Howie with the cigar and the cut on his forehead okay is kind of like the image um I think Yeah, if you're talking play, it's probably the Cooper Dijian pick six. Although, actually, it might just be the shot of the Sequin backwards jump. Yeah, yeah.

That could be the answer. Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. Are you worried now about this whole thing? I just didn't see why I had to. What book are you reading now? I'm not reading a book at the moment.

I need to pick up a new one. You should always be reading something. Okay. Thanks, dad. I mean. Honestly, the books I'm reading are books with Casey. That's very nice. Okay.

So there you go. Okay. What book you're reading with Casey? We just finished a line the witch in the wardrobe, which was good. And he picked up this new book from the library at school. It's just not that good. It's like, it's like, it's just not that good. We got it.

We got to up our game a little bit. Well, please report back to us. I will. Okay. All right. I guess I'll do it for this episode. Yeah. So tomorrow...

I feel like you're on edge now. No. Tomorrow from... I will be an indie. We'll have stories on all-P-H-L-Y.com. It might be a story on go-P-H-N-X.com. But, yeah, but I would say we'll have updates. you know, throughout the day on social, on our YouTube channels.

And really, I'm not there for very long this year, but if I can amplify anything, I wanted to be Fran Duffy. Fran Duffy. Fran is on the scene Monday to Monday, full week, and who have all updates, insight, everything you need to know about the draft. We're so lucky to have them here at the All-City Network and at PHY in particular. So a step-by-step guide on how to stop letting other people's opinion, drama, and judgment impact your life will set you free from the

exhausting cycle of trying to manage everything and everyone around you. So you're basically this is how you can handle me better. I didn't say that. I did not say that. I did not say that at all. But that's why you were afraid to mention it.

It's a book that came recommended and so I read it. Yeah. Recommended by whom? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We're already way beyond where we're... I mean, frankly, I think this is a good thing for you to internalize.

Maybe you don't have to read every single comment. Okay, yeah. You're right. You're right. It wasn't suggested for that. But yeah, that is beneficial. Wouldn't that be the lesson? That is beneficial.

Sure. Okay. Yeah. Think about all the time you could get back. You're right. Just focusing on yourself. Well said. You're right.

You're right. All right. they'll do it for this episode of the P. H.O.I. Eagles show. We will be back tomorrow. 2 o'clock. Me and, yeah, Jamie and I will be here to start the show. We'll hopefully hear from,

from Zach after Howie Roseman. And Nick Siriani. And Nick Siriani. Yep. Yeah. And Fran Duffy. And now you better, you better come back with a scoop now.

Why? Well, you're going out to Indie. Let's get a scoop. I know. It's a lot of pressure. A scoopy scoop. I've two and a half fewer days than I'm used to. Well, that means you've got to go two and a half times it's hard. I will, but, oh, well, you know what?

I have something. I have a story I'm working on on Wednesday. I'm actually excited to report back to the listeners and viewers about and write about on all p.chly.com. I think it'll show a lens to an important part of the organization that I deserve some attention. Good tease. Yep.

All right, we'll look forward to that. Thanks, everybody for watching and listening. Thanks to Julia for making it happen. We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you. Like the mayor.