PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Where do Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense go from here?

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

After a shaky offensive performance against the Detroit Lions, Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss how Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, and the rest of the Eagles offense turn things around in time for a NFC East clash with the Dallas Cowboys. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody Live from the Xfinity Studio. This is the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Not to be confused with Liz Frank. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. How's everybody doing? E.J., how are you? I'm doing well. I'm excited for this loopy Tuesday. I'm a little bit worried about the The pre-show energy, and if it will carry into the show. But listen, you know, it's funny, my wife said to me this morning,

like, the Tuesday show is supposed to be, like, you're supposed to have fun. You know, it's supposed to be free-flowing. So, she was giving me like a pet-down. Does that mean you were, you were anxious about the Tuesday show? You were worried about? I usually try to bring structure to the Tuesday show. And I was, like, expressing that to her. And she's like, just, you know, it's supposed to be fun.

You know? Just a couple guys. The people know what the Loopy Tuesdays are about So I'm excited for the show It's gonna be fine I mean I'll tell you one thing I am

Running on fumes Yeah well I mean that's why it's a loopy Tuesday Everybody's got to check out BG unblocked You know Very exciting this week We have a guest Oh you have a guest We have a guest

You didn't even tell me that I just thought it was gonna be a great conversation I asked you how it went I got to tune in just like everybody else So I'll tell you who the guest is Well there's actually two guests but one of them. Brandon Graham's wife

joins the show. Oh, very interesting. Yes, very interesting. A lot of fun conversation. Find out who's better folding laundry. I already know the answer to that one. You think you do. Oh, you might not know the answer to that one.

A little tease. Okay. Teasey tease. And also some really, I think some really good insight from BG into, you know, balancing the noise with the job that needs to be done

and all of that stuff. Well, that's a great segue into what I want to discuss here. You know, I think because being at the NovaCare complex this morning, there's a significant, there's just a big, a real gulf between, like, the conversation you have with Vic Fangio when he's up at the podium and he's in a good mood, he's making jokes, he's talking about college football. And it's deserved his units playing incredibly well. I realized what I just did there. We're going to just plow right through it. And, you know, even Michael Clay, like, spends his time talking about, you know, the, the,

make punt, they snuffed out. Yeah, I love that. And then Kevin Petullo gets up to the podium and the mood shifts. Yeah, it's a lot different. Here, eat this steaming pile of crap. So I figured it would be good for us to kind of continue the conversation we finished yesterday's show with about, you know, as Fran put it, is this the rock bottom for the Eagles offense?

And where do, where does Jalen Hertz and the Eagles offense go from here? So I've got some comments from Kevin Petullo here. But I also think, honestly, I think that there is a larger conversation to have about, you know, what's next for this eagle's offense? It really has been, I said it yesterday. I feel like the by week came at a bad time for them, ironically. You know, it felt like they were finally making some progress. And I just don't really know what this offense is going,

what this offense needs to look like moving forward. So I'm hoping that we can get some answers by talking it through here. Okay. So do you want to start with what Kevin Petulow said today, or you want to start with the speculation of what comes next? Or do you want to start with, you know, the reports about the way that Jalen is viewed in the locker room. Yeah, so why don't we, why don't we,

why don't we go to Kevin Petulow on Jalen Hertz's performance here? Lo-foot to two-pooh. Because I did think he was a little bit more generous when evaluating Jalen Hertz's performance against the Lions and a lot of the... By Julia.

Goodbye. Oh, wow. She just completely no-selled us. I mean, she wasn't even a no-sell. She's like, who are you? Yeah. She's like, Bo-Wolf, who? Unbelievable.

Never heard of that guy. I think you know a person. I mean, she's also probably busy, to be fair. I'm just got to go home and work on that BG edit. It's excited. I'm excited to see it. So, yeah, so anyway.

Have you ever been in that women's bathroom? No, I have not been in for the first time this weekend. Should you be saying this on air? Is HR going to have an issue with this? There was no soap in the men's room. There is no soap in the men's room. I have a story about that, but go on. And so I announced loudly to Julia.

I said, heads up, I'm going into the ladies' room to get some soap because there was also no soap at the kitchen. Tell you what, no urinals in there. I almost cursed in the 8 o'clock of the show. No, duh. I can't tell you the last time I've been in a women's bathroom. Oh, you should try it more often. It's probably been decades.

I mean, I'm not saying I have never been in a women's bathroom, but probably when I was like four or five years old. It's like walking into a new world. Well, it's kind of exciting. Don't they sometimes have couches in them? Is that still a thing? it was a thing that one does not have a couch

okay yeah it's missing a lot of things then huh Lindsay do you also get very excited to walk into a woman's room okay my first day I don't think she was ready to wait into this one I was stuck

no I do not but I have a funny story okay my first day I didn't realize like I didn't see where the women's room was so I just like thought maybe it was like one right yeah it is hard to find

it looks like I mean the door here it looks like it's just an individual bathroom yeah so I was like then I was just like oh I guess I'll just use this nobody's here good for you so you have experienced this wrong bathroom here yeah see

you're the only one who's only stuck to one bathroom I know I'm very crude very close minded over here I also complained about the lack of soap in the bathroom I mean I was hitting the crap out of that thing trying to get something out of it And Jamie was in the bathroom as well. And I go, really low on soap, Jamie. And he's like, yeah, I sent it a message.

And I'm like, oh, no, I wasn't like holding you to account for the lack of soap. I just... Well, that's a whole different story because poor Jamie has had to do other bathroom cleanup. That is beyond the scope of his job. What a saint. Nanya says E.J. One bathroom. I've been called worse on this show recently, I would say. So I'll take one bathroom.

Anyway, do you want to talk about Kevin Petullo and Jalen Heitz? I guess. All right, so Lindsay, we could pull up the quote from Kevin Petulow on Jaylan Hertz's performance here. He said it was a different kind of game, the way that it played out. He took care of the ball, and that's a major priority for us, obviously, but he did a good job. The game kind of went the way it went. The field position was kind of different at times. We had two red zone opportunities.

I know those, the one, the short field. We came up with a field goal. We need to do a better job there. Those two drives right there. If you come away with touchdowns, they feel completely different. So there are two things that I find interesting in this one. I think the first one is talking about protecting the football. And that is the number one priority in, like, the way that he is evaluated.

And I do think that that is a window into how this team prioritizes playing on offense, especially, like, with the context that their defense is playing as well as it is. it kind of reminded me of the Chiefs game earlier in the season where they at least like in hindsight hearing from Kevin Petulow and reading between the lines I do think that there are times

where you know like that Chiefs game and again against the lines where they change the way they call the game as the game progresses because of the type of game it feels like it's going to become and I don't know how to feel about that especially I feel like that's a bit of a cop-out well I mean I think

it is how they approach the game I'm not saying I agree with it I think it is I think it's a dangerous way to play but I do think that is I don't think like are you saying it's a cop out for them play that way or for me to frame it that way no not for you to frame it okay because I think they do believe that there are two things though one is

that I they were playing that way where protecting the ball is the most important thing we can do on offense even when the defense wasn't playing at that level yeah right yeah I mean that's how that's how they've been they've been game planning and calling plays all season long and not to relitigate here but the defense has not

been this good most of the season Yeah, and it's like to play the time of possession game with the way that this team is built is just so, like, dissonant to the amount of talent that they have. Like, where did, how did we get here? Like, how did we get to a point where the Eagles offense with A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas got her, Jalen Hertz, one of the best offensive lines. Saquan Barkley, one of the best offensive lines in football. Like, how have they gotten? What's that? You forgot about a lot to, but go ahead.

Yeah, Cam Latu, the best blocking tight end in the NFL underutilized. We'll get to that later. how did they get to a point where like they're celebrating like we didn't turn the ball over and we kept hold of the we kept the defense off the field in key situations like how did we get here and I just I I totally disagree intellectually that if I know my defense is awesome to me that should emboldened you to be more aggressive yeah like because they can cover for you yeah as much as like Dan Campbell is kind of the butt of the joke this week because of how aggressive he was on fourth down there is like a little bit of like that is the other way to look at it

where it's like you trust your defense in a short field you trust your defense in difficult scenarios and obviously it paid off for the lines defensively it was just a matter of their offense couldn't get going but even that like I don't know and I wanted to ask you this as well like if you're the lions the conditions let's put the conditions aside for a second like how do you feel about if you had to come back to the link and play the Eagles again

because I do feel like it's a good question because like if you look If you think about it from their perspective, it's like they outgain the Eagles. Do you think like that fourth down variance plays out differently? Do we feel better about it? I think that once you put the conditions into it, it's a different conversation. I don't think, like I wouldn't feel good about Jared Goff coming back to the link. Right.

But if you take that aside for a second, like the way that the Lions played, they probably feel like their process was okay. You know what I mean? I think that's right. And that is a reflection of the way that the Eagles offense played the game, in my opinion. I agree. Yeah. I agree. and there's there's the do I agree with them which I don't but in terms of it explaining something

I mean if they keep saying it so much that you have to believe them it's disappointing but I don't expect them to change it because they're they're winning yeah I mean I think they're they are they can be that anecdotal it's hard to argue with the bottom line and I don't know I'm sort of with you where it's like it's like last week we spent so much time talking about like AJ Brown being right that they can't bandaid over you know the offensive issues with their defense but I don't know I am starting to change my mind a little bit on that it just is crazy to me that we have gotten to this point with the Eagles offense I think that that is it's separate a separate issue that like is still worth unpacking so I also do think it's worth talking about like

the scrutiny that has come for Jalen Hertz's leadership style and his role in the way the Eagles offense has looked the last couple of weeks and really the last few years and I don't know we've had conversations about this before and I do find it interesting that like whenever things start to get rocky it's always Jalen that's the first one to be you know whatever euphemism you want to use here like it's always him that ends up being the focal point of the issues and I don't know I do think that that that's a little bit more of a product of like media literacy and like the landscape, then it is the actual reality of the situation. I think that's very well said, and we will discuss it more on the other side of this break.

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I mean, I've never covered back-to-back champs anywhere else, well, really ever, just in general. I do think, like, I don't know, it's just kind of the nature of being at this level, you know? And I think that, like, this is an interesting thing that I've been thinking a lot about, which is that the Eagles, like, roster is so talented that it doesn't have to look perfect for them to win games. And it's like they are viewed on a different, they're viewed differently than most teams. And I think that that's fair. You know, I think it informs a lot of the discussions we have about a lot of these things. Like, you know, the record that they have is remarkable.

And I do think, like, the way that Nick Siriani coaches is probably reflective of the talent they have on the roster. But that does inform all of these other things that we spend so much time talking about. I think there is, think about it from a roster building standpoint. The kind of personality that you have to have to be. elite. The Eagles roster is filled with elite players, people who are among the best in the world at their positions. To get to that level, you have to have to have something a little bit off about your wiring. Yeah. Right. Howie Roseman has not filled his roster with the, the 53 guys who are going to have the most cohesive meeting, right? Yeah. And so you have all these alphas who are

awesome at what they do. Of course, they're going to butt heads at times. the flip side to that is it is Nick Siriani's job and it is it is the team's job to keep everything together and so yes I think it is very tiresome that at 8 and 2 nothing is ever good enough

I mean but I also think every team in the NFL has stuff going on yes all 32 of them and the Eagles deserve some credit for maybe it's because it's kind of like a it's like a Bain thing

like those teams like we were born in the dark like this team is built from mess and so they're able to win with mess it's very well said yeah how many people at the top of the eagles like brain trust here so like we're talking geoffrey nixiriani howie roseman and jalen hurts not in that order i just kind of threw him out there um how many of them watch that like that michael jordan clip from the last dance where he gets like choked up talking about how like not everybody always liked how he was and how competitive he was and everything else and you know if you don't want to play that way that don't play that way break you know, like, that, that clip that I, clearly I remember, because it was a great clip.

How many, like, of the people at the top of the Eagles Brain Trust watched that clip and they go, like, yeah, like, that's what they take the word. Well, yeah, but I think Nick probably as well. And honestly, I don't know, I mean, I don't know if Howie would, like, watch that specific clip and be like, that's great. Of all the Jordan stuff, I actually don't think that Jalen is, like, Jalen is not an A-hole to guys. Yeah, but.

Maybe in not paying attention to everybody. He doesn't have time for. you might hear, right? And so it's more ignorance, like actual ignoring people. It's like, indifference. I think indifference is the word.

Right. Yeah. It's like I've got too much to do to be bothered with checking in on the third string tight end to make sure he's having a good day. Yeah, he's like singularly focused in that way.

But it's not like going up to the left guard and saying you messed up that block, do better. Yeah. You know? Which I think leads into a lot of like the stuff you're starting to see reported about frustrations with his approach

and his demeanor and honestly like similar to the AJ thing I just I feel like we've been this has been a constant for the last few years and again when things aren't going well it's perceived differently and I'm not saying that like all of it's unfair but I do think that like the the admission that like this has been something that's happening this has been happening for years now speaks to the fact that they can win with him being like this like they have one with him having this approach so I just I don't know I don't think it's anything new I don't think it's anything different this year, if anything, like, you may hear things about him being, like, better in these types of situations, being more open with his teammates. So, I don't know.

I think that it, to say it's overblown is probably not the right way to express it, but I do think that, again, like, we talked about, like, the media literacy. I think the reason that this is the stuff that gets out is probably because Jalen doesn't, like, work those channels as much as other people. Right. Just to, yeah, to explain that, the thing that is overblown, I think, is that when the offense looks the way it does and there are a lot of people who have to, you know, avoid blame, those people are probably more likely

to seat out their side of the story than the quarterback is. Yes, especially because of this quarterback. Jalen Hertz is, I'm sure he is more aware of it than he lets on, but I do think, again, that singular focus, that indifference to a lot of elements that maybe would be more like, I would say like almost human nature

to care about. Yeah. I think he has shut a lot of those off. Yeah, I do. Like there are people who say oh, like, you know, I haven't, I haven't heard about this thing or like I'm only aware of this, but it doesn't matter to me. And you know that it actually matters a lot to them. I actually believe with Jalen that he is aware

but he really doesn't care that much. I think he does care about the fact that there seem to be people in the building who don't have his best interest in mind. Yeah, but I think. And are, and our you know, slinging arrows in his direction. Yeah.

But I think he cares in so much as it taking away from what they can accomplish as a group. I was going to say, like, the one thing, because we talked yesterday about the straight jacket comment and how sometimes you can't always take everything he says at the podium completely, you know, at his word because I think that there is some framing there from him. In that particular subject, I think there have been times where, I mean, you know, it looks how Jalen Hertz wants it to look. and then the straightjacket comment are at odds with each other.

So I think that there are examples of that. But I also think that like it is a blessing and maybe sometimes a curse in how the offense looks that like he truly does only care about winning. Like that is the,

like a lot of guys talk about it but like he lives it. And I think that this is an example of it where there is an indifference to like the notion that people are frustrated with him coming out because it is like

does this really affect anything? Does this affect the bottom line which is the wins and losses? And the thing that Brandon Graham and I discussed today is there is a difference between, you know, airing dirty laundry and having these discussions in service of finding solutions. Yes. My dad has an expression for this. Okay. You can be problems oriented or solutions oriented.

Right. Exactly. So, like, you know, maybe it's not the cleanest way to do it, but if it brings about a difficult conversation that needs to be had in order to change the offense for the good, okay. then there's the stuff that's like only drama for drama sick yeah yeah exactly being problems oriented bringing it being the guy in the bathroom that goes we don't have any soap in the bathroom and Jamie's like yeah I'm literally working on it and then you feel like a jerk because I wasn't I wasn't trying to make it seem like it was Jamie's job this is like this is a window into my mind by the way like anytime I have a social interaction like that I'm just

haunted by it for the rest of the day so if you're if you're watching, which you probably are, Jamie. I apologize. I didn't mean to make it seem like it was your job. Jamie, E.J., sorry. He's on the other side of the wall. He's not going to forgive me. He didn't knock back or anything.

Yeah, that's true. He's in a meeting. Probably. Doing important things. Big meeting guy. Big meeting guy. Okay. Now all of that said,

let's be solution-oriented. Yeah. For the offense. what do you think is a reasonable fix here? Because I don't, like, it is hard to square. I don't think Jalen is playing at the highest level he's played at, especially the last two weeks, obviously. I actually thought there have been times this season

when he was playing as well as he ever has. It feels like he is seeing things quicker. And so it is hard for me to disentangle the coaching stuff because even if you believe that, oh, they're playing on offense the way that Jalen wants them play he's the he's the constant all of that stuff well if it's not good enough it is the coach's job to get him to play a different way yeah right to design things differently and to convince him to do it that's part of the job i i i the more that this happens the more i become kind of on jalen's side

in the drama aspect of it yeah but i do need to see him play better yeah yeah it is tricky because it's like i was going to say that one of the things i think you know we talked with fran yesterday about how it felt like the Eagles really paired back the passing game against the Lions. It was like we were going to run the concepts that we know. There are basic concepts, but we are going to get them right. And like I think that left a lot to be desired. And I mean, we've all seen like the A.J. Brown Rout tree, you know, like in this game. And to me it's like that Fran broke down for us yesterday.

I mean, you know, Jalen is missing stuff. Yeah. And he's absolutely a part of the problem. Right. So I want to make sure that we qualify for that. But I still think, like if you're the Eagles coaching staff and you feel like when things aren't going well, we are going to simplify it to the point where, like, you kind of like are kneecapping the offense anyway. So to me, it's like, there needs to be a wider variety

and there needs to be, there needs to be like a more varied route concepts where you can access easy completions. You can access different parts of the playbook and not be so one-dimensional. But again, maybe the reason that they're not doing that is because the quarterback isn't in favor of that approach. So again, I want to leave that open to possibility there, but I do think what we saw the approach that we saw from them offensively against the Lions like that doesn't do anybody any good like the the way that they played the way the the the basic approach they took like we saw how that worked so I I don't think that that's the answer I don't I think like it's probably reductive like I mean you could

probably get away with that against the Cowboys well that's the bad defense okay they're playing a good defense like put a plan together I'm glad that you said that because I think that there is like an optimist view here like where they get it they figure it out in the next couple of weeks and then Jalen gets to have his so that's what y'all wanted to see ha moment and they figure it out um i think right now the biggest thing is that they need to figure out like what they are um and that i don't have a great answer for you that for you or for that i mean it's been 11 weeks 11 games and or 10 games 10 games 11 weeks and they still haven't figured this out at this point that means that it's a harder question to answer than you you

and me are going to figure out on this uh podcast studio Yeah, I mean, I feel like I don't, the under center play action stuff is nice. Yeah. It was a nice, it was a nice couple weeks. If you get to on the field. But it's not, it isn't really who they are. Like it's, they were better on early downs with the run game. Yeah.

So, and Petula mentioned that, like, that they, that they just, like, had the negative plays and that really mess them up offensively. I just, they have too much talent for that to be, like, to, for, that to hold weight for me, you know? I even, like, even the uninspiring versions of the offense that has been just okay this year, I think is fine. Like, a bunch of deep shots, protecting the ball,

sprinkle in a little bit over the middle of the field, but like do the stuff that you know that you can do? And I guess that's not a ton. Yeah. But like. I agree with you. I think that like if you became, I mean, I think the three and out thing, is sticky at this point.

Like, I don't think they're getting out of that. Which means they're bad. Yeah, but I think, like, if you're going to be that offense and you have a defense you trust as much as you do, maybe you do really lean into, like, we are just hunting explosives the whole game. But that invites risk, which is a big part of how they're... Doesn't have to?

I mean, yeah, if it's sideline shots... Downfield throws are not that... They're not that risky. Yeah, middle of... Middle field. Yeah, it's like a punt. I think that that would be a good approach. I think that being, like, the explosive, like, you know,

Don't be a success rate team. Like, they have not been a success rate team this year. Be the EPA team. Be the 20 plus plays. And if you can do that without inviting too much turnover variance, then you kind of get the best of both worlds, which is what Nick Siriani is always after. So I agree with you.

I think that that is what it needs to look like, and we can get to this. Like, if you're going to be that team, you need your receivers to, like, track the ball. I am sticking to, I am sticking to, I think that Devante Smith should be the featured player in the offense. I think that's fair. I think he should be the most important player in the game plan every week.

He's the one we can move around. He's the one who manipulates space better than anybody. You know what? So he's your on-schedule receiver. He's the guy who I am designing the game plan around. Yeah. I think we're there.

I think we are there. So we have a quote from Kevin Petullo on A.J. Brown. Do you want to do it before or after the break? Let's do it before. Okay. So on A.J. Brown, Kevin Petullo says, or specifically on the deep shot to AJ Brown

where it seemed like AJ slowed up. It was a very tough look. Kevin Petillo said it was a third and long and he got kind of tangled up with the defensive back. I'm not so sure he located the ball wholeheartedly. We've just got to continue to find ways to just connect on those things and work on them in practice and really throughout the history of it,

Jalen and AJ do an unbelievable job of connecting on those kind of things and will continue to throw them to him because he's going to do his job and get open and we usually hit them. So the wholeheartedly Yeah, I think that's just a mispeak I think it's

I think to give him a little bit of Like help here I think he was saying like He wasn't he didn't locate the ball like Entirely or like you know totally But it is interesting because I almost do wonder if it was Freudian Because when you watch the All 22

It is like yeah it wasn't a wholehearted Effort to locate the ball But yeah no I do think That if you're going to be that offense like those guys, it invites like that human element back into things where it's like you might go a quarter or two without a target or without a catch, but it's the possibility of getting one that you have to be running hard for the whole game. Yeah, especially if you're going to be asking for the ball all week long.

It was tough. I mean, again, I have been defending AJ all season. I came, you know, I sat in this, probably in this exact spot, pounded the table and said the year of A.J. Brown. I was correct about that, to be fair. I agree. As I said, yes. But yeah, I've been defensive of A.J. all year. But the Broncos, the missed shot against the Broncos was really bad. I think this one maybe was even worse because of the context of, like, he spent all week complaining about being a bigger, wanting to be a bigger part of the offense. And that was a big moment in the game on a third and 15. And you have press man coverage against

Rock Yassin. No offense to, you know, fellow Temple alum, Rock Yassin here. But If you get pressed man against a lion's backup cornerback, you have to win that route. And at the very least, you have to not give up on the route 15 yards down field because, you know, Kevin Betula did mention, like, the hand fighting aspect of things. But, like, you're A.J. Brown. Like, I've been on this podcast set talking about the fact that, like, he's not a separation receiver. He's, you know, he boxed you out.

He's a physical receiver. You can't, that none of these are, like, good enough excuses for the way that it looked on tape. It was, like, a jaw-dropping moment. When I was texting Fran about it, I did text Sean Cyanid about it. I know that that might be taboo, but yeah. You're a lot to text, Sean. Okay, I mean, maybe I should create a group chat with Fran and Sean.

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No, I understand that that's him taking a shot at me. Yeah, that was... I'm not a moron. I mean, with how much it really... Hold on, let me take the back. I am a moron. But even I can understand that. You're not a moron.

Best host of the city. We're all morons. No. But the ha-haz, I will still sometimes screenshot them and send them to one of the two Julias in my life, either Julia Hoff or my own Julia. Just like, this guy hates me. He just hates me.

Oh, Fran is not walking back. Oh, that is totally. Fran, just stand on business. What are we doing? It was a good shot. Just take the shot. I think it's time for me to put you in your place, if I can. Oh, God.

Let's play another round of the game that is sweeping the nation. I'm going to get destroyed on this. Lindsey for pulling this together once again. It's time for a guest to player. All right. Now, should we do it the name that tuneway, or should we do it just shout it out? what do you mean name that tune well it would be like we she tells us there are like five things and we say okay I can name this player in two let's yeah let's do that I mean you're gonna

you're gonna do that you're gonna beat me which really bothers me but I'm so bad at these games the other way to play it is you just see it all she shows it up and then we whoever yells it out first wins but once you yell it out first and you get it wrong then the other person can just wait until no I like going one by one I think that's more fun and honestly Lindsay, like, did the work so she could do it one by one. You got to give her credit for that. All right. All right.

So whoever shots at that first wins. Here we go. Somebody says to Marco Murray. I love that. Guess the player. So you want me to just slowly go through that? Yeah, let's go slow. Yeah, let's go one by one.

Okay. Tampa Bay Bucks. To the Patriots. To the Steelers. Back to the Patriots. Huh. Is there going to be an Eagles tie in here? Oh, okay.

Bucks first is interesting. Did they finish with the Eagles? To the Lions. Hmm. The silhouette might give you a clue. Oh, wait, hold on. Don't give us the silhouette. Yeah, no silhouette.

Yeah. So that's the end. That's all the teams. Oh, interesting. Okay. Bucks, Patriots, Steelers, Patriots, Eagles. Oh, I think the chat got it. I'm going to say it.

LeGareblood. Legerip one. It's LeGerman. that's a good one would you have gotten it if you had not seen the chat I wouldn't have gotten it I think it would have got there

eventually yeah I just had to Lizzie you saying the silhouette was going to like tip it off made me think it was going to be like an offensive lineman

it's just because you could see his hair like a little bit not everyone has like I could have stared at that all day that's a good one that is a really it's a good deep cut I believe that was

one somebody said I definitely forgot about blunt in Detroit that is I think that's what would have would have tripped me out. I don't think I knew that LaGarrette Blunt was drafted by the Bucs. Next time I'll move it.

I'll move the track out of the bucks. Undrafted by the bucks. Okay. Yeah. Good rookie year. How did he get, how was he seventh in the comeback player of the year voting as a rookie? Do you get hurt as rookie season?

Oh, it might have been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. It's fun fact about LaGarap one. Seventh and all AP comeback player of the year voting as a rookie. That's a really fun. fact, E.J. I mean, I think that is actually a fun fact. It's interesting. I guess. Why am I so... Well, that's it. Lindsay quit. So there she goes.

That's good. It's not good. It's funny. It's good. For those of you didn't hear, she said you had to use the men's room. I need somebody, somebody out there that listens to the show has to understand like brain chemistry and like psychology or psych what's the other one it's not psychiatry right whichever it is someone can can you please explain to me why i'm so bad at these games like i do cover the nfl but i cannot like immaculate grid i suck at it and dain is being bad at it made me feel better because he's one of the smartest people i know and he's also bad at the game so there must be an explanation for it it's not just that i'm stupid it's probably that everybody who plays in these sports is playing in search of a ring and so

Somewhere deep inside you, that offends the sensibilities and you try to forget them. You know, the Super Bowl rings, for whatever reason, don't bother me as much. Interesting. I would never wear one, to be clear, but... You would never wear one. Never. If you won the Super Bowl, you wouldn't even wear it once. I would not wear it.

I promise you. I barely wore a wedding ring. I did try. I did it for like a month. You wouldn't just put it on for a picture? I don't think I would hold it. What? I'm telling you, it's like a real thing.

What happens to you? I would just be like kind of grossed out. man yeah thank you brena thank you brena honestly no i can't say she's the mvp lindsay's the mvp see comeback player of the year p being the operative letter producer i understand yeah i don't know oh i just went to pee that's a bad joke boo pretty sure if you laughed shout out to my niece by the way because she says boo off the stage and she turned six today. Happy birthday.

Oh, man. I mean, you're a parent, so you get it more than I do. Well, you have a dog, so. Well, they grow up so fast, man. Like, I don't know. It's weird. The older I get, like, the young kids, like the, how quickly they become, like, little adults, it's crazy.

It's a trip. Amen. I mean, you would, again, you would know it better than me. I agree. Okay, all right, anything else on the offense that we, oh, you know what, let's get to a couple of super chats that we have. Go Birds says, how big of a factor do you think the weather has played the last two weeks? I feel like AJ Devonte and Jalen struggle in bad slash cold weather.

I wanted to get to this. Very good point. So I appreciate, yeah, I appreciate the super chat because I do think the weather played a bigger factor against the lines. I think this week more than Green Bay, yeah. I think that there will. I think wind is the most significant thing in a game. If you look at some of the drops from Dallas Goddard and even Devante, you know, your guy, let's give him some cover here.

I think that it was like, it seemed like it was hard to judge, like, how the wind was going to affect the throws. So, like, it was harder to gauge, like, you know, like you, again, you just saw the amount of drops on both sides of the ball. Like, I think Jared Gough, like, is notably usually, usually struggles in those elements. but I think the uncharacteristic drops and really the passing game in general

was affected by the win more than maybe we thought after the game. I think that's fair. Yeah. Do you think it changed the way they called the game? I think a little bit, yeah. I think, but I don't think it was like they were conservative because of the way

that the weather affected things. I think it maybe was like direction of the field that you're on, maybe some of the directions of the play calls. I think that stuff was impacted by the conditions. Yeah. Chase, Daniel, Plainview. Despite all the end,

Thanks, Hertz and Siriani's relationship seems as stable as ever. Do they enable each other's worst offensive instance? That's trenchant analysis. Yeah, it is. It's just a funny way. They do seem on much better terms than... Yeah, after the 2023 season, so much of the scrutiny was Hertz and Siriani's relationship, and now it really has shifted to Hertz and, like, other players and just like the perception

in the building. And yeah, I do think that that is reflective of the fact that they have kind of figured out their common thread, which is wins. and turnover avoidance. Do you think that that plays into, if there is Jalen Hertz perception within the locker room problem, that he is now viewed as the coach's boy?

I think, like, in lockstep with the approach that they want to have. I think that that's fair. But, you know, I think that's always been, like, like, when there's, like, the sentiment out there that the players are frustrated with Jalen, I think that the players would be frustrated with the approach. approach that's and I think to put it squarely on Jalen is a little like I think it is not it doesn't

include enough of the the coaches like decisions in how they play if that makes sense yeah like I think that if you're if you are putting like the Eagles offensive approach solely on Jalen I think that that's short-sighted I think that it is much more of the trio of Nick Siriani Kevin Patul and Jalen Hertz and yeah I do think that that is probably where like the most guys agree with A.J. Brown, but, like, did Jalen Hertz, Nick Siriani and Kevin Petullo agree with A.J. Brown? Yeah, I mean, listen, these are, um, these are high focus jobs. Uh, heavy as the head that wears the crown, right? And so the team is eight and two. Nick Siriani, everybody in the town thinks he's a moron. Kevin Petulow, like, you know, I'm sure like, uh, he's got young kids. I'm sure

they're at school the other kids are all being like oh everybody says we should fire your dad and jalen hurts you know he gets paid all the big money he's the quarterback and so anytime something's wrong people are just going to blame it on him yeah um that's that's the job that they've signed up for doesn't doesn't mean that it's always fun right but that is kind of the job yeah i completely agree um and at the end of the day they'll have the record to fall back on i mean yeah it's uh it's been a weird year yeah one of the weirder years yeah one of the weirder years I've covered. Even like 2023 wasn't even this weird in my opinion. Like at this point in the season in 2023 things were starting to unravel. But yeah, I think

this weird, this year has been more strange. I agree with that. You think it's just the nature of a Super Bowl hangover? Not all of it. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. I mean, so far this season has not actually been that dissimilar to last season. True. But it's, It is strange. It's more strange. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

I think it's also, and this is something that I don't think we've talked about it. I mean, one of the craziest things in the world when I saw on TV the other day, Stranger Things Season 5 is coming out to. Who's still watching that? My wife watches Stranger Things. I don't watch Stranger Things. This is a great. What a perfect encapsulation of my television thing.

This is a great deal. Stranger Things Season 5 is coming out. Great. I don't watch Stranger Things because I don't like spooky television. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. The rings involved, yeah. No, I just like, I always say, like, I can't watch, like, law and order, like, special victims unit. Like, that show is scary. Yeah. And that's the thing is, like, it's got to be, if it's real or if it's, like, paranormal, I can't, I can't do it. I can't watch black,

I can't watch black mirror. It's too scary. It's too real. So Stranger Things is on my no watch list, and it, yeah, it frustrates my wife because it's like, she's like, it's not scary. It's like, it seems just, like, kind of like unsettling. And that's scary for me. I don't want to watch it. I don't like spooky stuff. That's what I always say. Okay.

I think we have one more super chat. From, oh, we got two more. From Musa. What camps have the most interest in seeding these stories out? Any ideas? I mean, I'm not going to play the guest-the-source game. Yeah. It's tough.

That's pretty irresponsible. But, um... You know what, it's more like, if you track, if you track the reporters along enough, you can sort of, you can put some things together, I feel. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's tough to speculate on that type of stuff. Yeah. U.S. to Guam to U.S. It's flex.

Sure. Very generous super chat. Thank you very much. Says, off topic, what's it going to take to get guest visits of Ben Solac, Brandon Lee Gowton and Jimmy Kemsky. I miss Bleeding Green Nation. We've had Jimmy on before. Have you?

We've had BLG on before. Have you had Jimmy? I didn't know that. Actually, I think I've had, we've had Jimmy on in past iterations of this show. Oh, yeah. I believe that Jimmy might not be allowed to come on the show. I wasn't going to say it. I'm speculating.

BLG has been on several times We love a BLG Steps in for an emergency pot Which was like Yeah, I felt so bad about that I could kiss the guy I don't remember what that was for It was I think the John Metchy trade

Because I... The John Mety trade It's burned in my brain Because I couldn't make it And yeah, love of Solack Yeah He's welcome on anytime It was big shoes

Replacing Ben Solac on the other Philly I mean I'll name I'll say the name The Ringers Philly special podcast You have big shoes To fill in for Bill Although, to be fair, like Sean Syed was kind of the Ben Solek, like, like for like replacement. I was just kind of like, do you have any, uh, I know that you've been like itching to get some mailbag takes off?

Do you have anything that you'd like to weigh in on or is that irresponsible on unfair on this show? Let's start doing them on Fridays like we said we were going to. I need people to send me stuff though. Like you can just CC me at EJ at all p.g.com. Start CCing me on the ones you send a shield. I don't know. I got to tap into that audience. Nudes, except.

No, no. They are not accepted, actually. Noodles. Solac came on during Super Bowl Week. We have had Solac on. Thank you, Fran. Yeah, Ben's great. I love a Solac. Yeah, I'm just giving the guy's flowers. Absolutely. I know he's listening, so. He's got two kids.

And I got two dogs. And it's the exact same thing. Let's take a quick break. Come back and talk Vic Fangio. Getting a little potty mouth up on the podium. Michael Clay. Revenge of the student becoming the teacher. Very exciting stuff. I'll come up next on the P.HL.A. Eagles podcast.

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P-H-L-Y. That's M-A-C-W-E-L-D-O-N.com promo code P-H-L-Y. Back on the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast, a good point from Rad Frak in the chat who says he just, he or she just clicked as the 38th liker of the vid, 279 watch, and what are the rest of you lazy bums do and smash the like you catch more what is the expression you catch more flies with honey than vinegar you have to like coax them into liking the video you can't ridicule if you're not going to like the video get the hell out we would appreciate if you like the video you know it is like the type of thing where you whenever listening it's it's noise you hear this thing

you think uh it doesn't matter guess what we need it there's a certain video game streamer that i i we cannot get too into it because we just can't get to into it but But he has an expression that I like. I don't watch him anymore because of certain things that we are not going to get into. But he used to always say, if you like the video, like the video. And it's so simple. But it's like, yeah, need you to do it. Do not ask me why I don't watch him anymore.

Is this the one that I'm actually aware of? I don't think you're aware of him, no. Okay. Now I'm wondering, ask me who you are, who you think. There is some streamer at some point who had also done like, like scat videos or something like that's not that guy okay okay no this is honestly this the guesses are probably worse than who it is but we can't get into it i look forward to finding out the truth about this one after the show taking it to the grave

super chat from will madden who says the eagles are maybe so conservative they simplified the plan because of the wind more complicated plays going downwind not risking it going into the I don't think that's the case. I don't think it was an aggressiveness thing. I think it was more the, because I noticed it with the kickers pregame. Like the ball was kind of like diving, you know, low and to a certain direction. It was the far side from the press box, which would be, I'm so bad with directions. It's the south end.

Yeah. So it was like kind of like coming from that direction and pushing things toward, I think the lion's sideline. I'm sorry, that's the north end. Yeah, it was pushing things to the lion's sideline, I believe. so I think like it's certain past plays if you didn't want the ball to get pushed that way you wouldn't call those plays

the way to think about it I mean it's easy because it's aligned with Broad Street it's not going to help me it doesn't help you no the like that way stuff that my predecessor would do I do hopeless the guy that did the interview with David Baker it's ever been in the show before that

You can say his name, Zach Berman. I remember, I watched the episode, and he was, he was very insightful. I don't know why I, that's the first time ever. Why I dropped the predecessor, yeah, Zach Berman. Shout out to Zach. Shout out to Zach. Somebody messaged me asking me if you allow me to talk to him in the press box. And I said something like, I said something sincere, and then they replied like, well, no, like, I kind of enjoy the bit.

And I was like, sorry, I should have kept K-Fay. I guess they've been like absolutely not can't talk to that guy I don't control you you're your own man be your own man as Dana has told me that's right yeah what did Vic Fangio say should we play the clip of him cursing I mean we're almost a bovertime do you want to just save it for bovertime yeah let's play it let's be a little nasty let's be a little naughty all right we can play it uh let's play it Vic Fangio talking about college football had a had a fun a fun a fun very Vic Fangio thing to say at the end of his presser today The phone got screwed.

Who did? Rowan. I should be in the D3 place. Everybody's got a whine and a bitch. I didn't realize that that's what it was about. He was about college football. He was talking about Eastern University. I thought he was talking about like Philly Media or something like that.

No, and that will, you know, we are a truth-telling podcast here, so I think it's important. Like, people will probably spend that out of context, like, oh, he owned the Philly Media. He was just talking about college football. football, D3 college football. He's talking about Eastern University. And, yeah, it was Bob Brokover from NJ.com was complaining about Rowan getting bounced out of the playoffs. And yeah, Vic's got no time for those complaints.

That's very funny. Yeah. What else did Vic have to say? He had some interesting things to say about the improvement in the run game, Jalen Carter and Nacobie Dean. So I'll kind of do them rapid fire and you tell me what interests you here. On the improvement in the run game, he said, I think as a unit we're playing it better.

Obviously, Nacobi helps the last two weeks. Phillips helps. I think Jalen Carter has really kicked up his game here lately, so it's a combination of a bunch of things. And then on Jalen Carter specifically, he said he was nursing that shoulder injury and the thing that kept him out of the Giants game, which was a heel injury. He said, I think it's conditioning improving and health improving. He also said that Clint Hurt was the one who implemented the tip drill drills into practice last week because of something they saw from Jared Gough, his release point. It's funny because I talked to Rich Hoffman about this, handsome Rich, about this before. the game like Jared Goff does like have a big wind up yeah and I actually like let me go tinfoil

hat here a little bit like I think his wind up like this this is out there I think his windup makes like like like I think it it makes like Ben Johnson like more like popular because it's like he throws it with such conviction he knows it's coming open I think that like it's it's something like the tacticoes would pick up on like look at Jared Goff he rips this into this like open opening you before it's even there. Ben Johnson's such a good coach. I don't know. I think there's something there.

I'm not so sure I follow you. Explain this to me like I'm the moron that I am. Well, you're not a moron. I think that this is not a great take for me, but yeah, it's Loopy Tuesday. Why does his, or the length of his wind-up affect the opinion of Ben Johnson? Because, like, I think that there's the instances the tacticals will pick up on, look when he starts to throw this ball. Like, it's way before the, way before the receiver comes out of his break.

And it's like, oh, this is great coaching. And it's like, no, the guy just has a long windup. Like, he's got to get going before the guy's out of his break. So I don't know. I just, listen, Ben Johnson's a good coach. He's doing a good job in Chicago, obviously. But I do. I think that it's a little bit like, it makes it seem more like coordinated if the guy's

starting to throw it. I mean, I look for that with Jaylor Hurts all the time. I look all the time. I pause it at the top of his drop. And then sometimes I'll pause it right when he's about to throw to see what he sees. So if Jared Goff had Aaron Rogers's release, it would be. Ben Johnson would still be coaching the Lions.

No, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't. Maybe it's less about like Ben Johnson and more just about like, I don't know, I think that the scheme gets more appreciation of the quarterbacks getting the ball out with anticipation. No?

I don't mind this. I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, I workshopped it here. I've never said that to anybody out loud before. So I've just thought it. I like that. Because he has, he does, he throws, he's got that big wind up.

And it's like, man. He throws with conviction, but it's like, no, he just takes him a long time to throw the ball. Okay. All right, what about, what was the last thing for Vic? I thought it was, he mentioned, he was asked why they continue to rotate Jihad Campbell and Nukobi Dean because of how well Nkobi Dean's playing. And he said, just to keep Jihad ready to roll because he's the next guy up at ILB, but he's getting time to at OLB, it'll probably stay similar. So I did find that interesting. Other than that, I mean, I can just go through some of these quickly.

I thought it was funny. He said he was talking about Niko Bedeen covering Jemir Gibbs and James and Williams and he said, hopefully that doesn't happen too many more times. It was like, yeah. And he did mention or confirm that Nolan Smith is on a snap limitation. Okay. All right.

How about Michael Clay? Because I do want to know the keep the defense on the field. Yeah. So that is his call. That's Clay's call. Yep. Yeah. That's interesting.

Yeah, I ask a think about that. Maybe a true behest. Maybe you texted me a little request there. And yeah, Vic said that that's a Michael Clay decision that it's defense stay is what they call it. And that from there, I was interested too. I asked him like who makes, not the decision to keep the defense on, but who makes the call.

And it's Michael Clay. Well, what I love about that especially is Michael Clay came into the NFL as Dave Phipps Quality Control Coach. Yeah. So this is a really beautiful, full circle. The student has become the master. like you're going to test me and I am ready for everything that you are bringing

I love that that's fantastic So I did ask Michael Clay like Is the familiarity with Dave Phipp part of like Knowing that they're going to go for the fake punt He actually was quick to give somebody else credit So he said that Eagles director I have the title in front of me because I don't want to mess it up It's a long title director of football ops and pro scout

Amina Soleiman was actually doing advanced scouting And saw how frequently the lions run fake punts And the types of fake punts that they run and that she was the one that notified them to kind of work that into their game plan. So, yeah, he was very much quick to give her the credit for finding that scouting. Yeah, it's very cool. And listen, you talk to people around the building? Yeah, very impressive.

Everybody loves Amina, like rave reviews from everybody. Yes, that's awesome. Temple Grad, too. You know, Al's everywhere. There you go. Shout out to Amina. Lindsay. You can't be mad at her.

She's just doing her job. MVP. For those, we'll talk about it. In Bovertide. Those are jazz hands you gave it there. That's my impersonation of you. No. That's like me bringing the bow energy to the show.

Get out of town. MVP, most valuable producer. Okay. The graphics, the guest, the player, making sure you don't miss Bovertime. She did great for 59 minutes. Oh, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, welcome to Bovertime.

I think that's pretty much all my notes from coordinators here. Are you reading my notes? No. Vic Fangio was complimentary of Andrew McCuba. That was the other thing. What did he said? I think the question was about like if he's playing better and that's limiting the explosive plays.

He said, yeah, and that's a big part of us play. He was talking about Andrew McCuba playing better. And he said, Andrew McCuba playing better is a big part of them playing better too. Earlier in the year, he had some bad plays that led to big plays for the opponent, and we haven't had that lately. And then he said, it's game 11 coming up for Andrew McCuba. He's not a rookie anymore. And he did mention the Bud Grant quote again.

That got me ridiculed from some in the chat for not knowing who Bud Grant was. My dad also ridiculed me for that. Ooh, that's tough. I mean, listen. But you've got to come back and say, Dad, if I don't know Bud Grant, that's your fault. You didn't teach me about him. Yeah, he wouldn't have liked that argument He was disappointed

Because he's like I really loved the purple people eaters When I was a kid So you should know who they are And I was like well I knew that I mean one of the great nicknames Yeah I knew that I knew about that team I just didn't remember the coach's name

I'll be better I'll do better A little bit 1% better every day Did you watch the Cowboys last night I watched a little bit of it I'll be honest I didn't watch the whole game I was tired I was out early last night

Yeah Did you I was hoping to I watched a little bit and then Leah was having a tough night so I was just holding her for a while

trying to get a little little BG prep done that's all did Leah help with the prep I mean I was holding her while I was doing it yeah so she helped

Lindsay do you ever have the thing where you're in the shower and you hear like the fan you hear like a baby crying even though the baby is not crying yeah I hear fan him crying all the time

one time I was listening to a podcast and their guest had their baby crying. Oh my God. So I had like a heart attack. And then I was like, I looked at the monitor. I was like, what? And then in the podcast, they were like, oh, he was so sorry.

There was a TV. I think it might have been tasked the other night. We were catching up on tasks slowly, but surely. And I think there was a baby crying in the background. I'm like, I pause it and I'm like waiting to hear. But nothing. Yeah. So the other night or the other night, the shower thing happened.

I'm like, oh, okay, this is just the phantom thing. I opened up the window, the door just to check, nothing. and then I open it up again and I can hear Rachel like run it upstairs because it's just, it's nonstop. Well, when there's like two, you have to like get in there as quickly as possible

so the other ones don't wake up either. So then your heart's really racing. I don't have a dog parallel for this really. Your dogs don't like bark each other and wake each other up? No. I mean the baby crying equivalent would be like,

no, there's really not a good one actually. I was going to say like like if my dog if I like know my dogs are like laying in their beds and I go to take a shower if I hear like their nails clicking around it's like okay they're they're like they're getting into stuff but like it's not the same thing they're not distressed or they're allowed to yeah I mean they're allowed to like walk around the house until like nine o'clock and then it's like let's all just relax now how does the uh the the cleanliness like germophobia the germophobia track with dogs going outside and coming in the house

it's a good question um i mean i like just like don't like i don't touch their like paws very often okay and like they're not like hairy dogs like you know they got short hair they don't they shed that much i don't know but their paws are dirty like do they get on are they allowed on the furniture not no you know so that actually probably is that the how this how this works in our house okay they're not on the furniture unless we put a blanket down they have like a specific blanket that they can lay on um and it's invitation only that's what we call it okay and they're a good way to handle it yeah they're very they're very good about that my dogs i think it was julia told me that i should bring like our julia oj um told me i should bring one of our our like both of my dogs in and only

one of them would enjoy that so i would consider it for him but you'd be you'd be impressed he's a good dog they're both i'd be impressed did you you you train him yourself um the the the oldest one we had since he was a puppy and we took him to puppy kindergarten and puppy manners and all that stuff. So, yeah, he's, we trained him. Pharaoh, we adopted. Big P. Big P.

Yeah. Pharaoh, we adopted and he's, no, Maddox is Big P. I don't understand why you think that. That's incredibly confusing. Pharaoh has spelled like the Farrow Islands. Oh. Again, we adopted him. We didn't name him.

Not that, I mean, I like his name. Big F. Big F. Faro vino. We have a heart out in five minutes, and here we are talking about my dogs. But yeah, we didn't train him. But he's a really good dog. He just loves everything.

Okay. Super chat from Allen who says Hertz's offense has mirrored the O.C. Stuyken, good offensive coordinator, good offense. B.J., Brian Johnson. Bad O.C., bad offense. Kellyn Moore, average, average. Is it hard to believe Petulos a bad O.C.? I feel like that's a little bit reductive, right?

I do. You think that Stuyken is good because the offense was good. Well, he's been good in Indianapolis, too. Because only this year. Yeah, but still. I mean, I think his offenses have been fine the last few years, but I get what you're saying. I think that's a little bit letting the results cloud how you feel about the coach. I think what Alan's talking about, though, is, like, their track record elsewhere.

Now, Brian Johnson's the exception. I think he is proven to be a solid coach, and I think he, honestly, I still think he has a trajectory to be, like, an OC and maybe even a head coach in the NFL. So that one might prove to be the exception here. Okay. Anything else on your mind? I don't think so. I'm trying to think if I had anything else for you. I mean, if I do, we can talk about it Thursday.

I know, but why waste, we got four minutes and we can just hang around in? I mean, if you want to chat for the next four minutes, we can. I mean, I'm trying to think of what else I could talk to you about here. We've been going long on a lot of pods recently. Have you noticed that? I said it to my Julia the other day. I was like, I think we've done like seven hours of podcasts

in the last like three shows we've done. I noticed. And Julia, Julia got stuck on one of those. The Thursday, Friday shows are long. There's a lot to get to. No, it's good. I think it speaks to the fact that we just enjoy talking to each other. I think it's a good thing.

Yeah. I agree. I give you a question to end with. Okay. Tom Brady cloned his dog. Well, you don't have dogs. but would you clone your dogs? Absolutely not.

I think that that's really strange. I mean, listen, to each their own, but I don't know, the cloning thing to me is a little bit. It's like I said earlier, I don't watch Black Mirror. I don't think I could clone my dogs. I don't think my dogs would want to be cloned either.

Certainly not by Tom Brady. This is all like soft launching him trying to clone himself. Well, he's invested in the company. It was, yeah. I don't know. Would you, well, I mean,

there's almost nothing that Tom Brady does that I would do. Lindsay, do you have a dog, and would you clone your dog? I do have a dog, and no. I feel like, that's, like, the beauty of a dog is because, like, you have them for this certain time, and you, like, love them. You can't just, like, keep. Yeah. Yeah, like, one of the most special. Yeah, Tom Brady's going to, he's going to go to one of those companies and have an AI recreation of his dog.

And you're like, one of the most. Well, no. You know, I have an AI take up in Winnington. I don't feel one way. That I keep forgetting about. Yeah. It feels a little too on brand, I think. Given how online poisoned you have to be to want to do AI stuff,

that the chat GPT commercial is basically about incest. I haven't seen the chat gpt commercial. Let me plan a romantic road trip for me and my sister. The hell out of here. Wait. Is that actually the. commercial? Well, they don't say romance. It's like, oh, duh. Hey, I help me plan a road trip for my sister. And then it's like cutesy talk in the front seat between brother and sister. That seems like a bad

advertisement for them if it's like a romantic trip. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Listen, but that's, you know, it's, it's every time that's the target audience. Every time I have an Applesauce smoothie. I think of your outrage at the fact that I used AI for that. Next chat, GPT commercial. How do I seduce the delivery man? Oh, my God.

This is good. A little loopy end to a loopy Tuesday. When should I make my first move on the realtor? Oh, man. All right Keep seeing my commercial I'm just yelling at the I need to see this commercial

You don't Yeah It's a crazy world we live in It's a dumb one that's for sure All right Good stuff everybody We will talk to you tomorrow 2 o'clock

Adam Hogue joins the show With Jamie and Rich leading the way We're here all week 2 o'clock Thank you Lindsay Thank you, E.J. Thank you, chat. Oh, Frank Barber, just under the line.

E.J., was this ending free-flowing enough for you? This was, I think it was a good... I think we made it through. I think, you know, do I like to bring structure? Yes, but I enjoyed today's show. I hope you guys did too. And if you did enjoy the show, like the video. Or he's going to kick your ass.

I'm not, no. I'm not the negative guy here. I don't neg the people into liking the video. I just, if you made it this far, just drop a like. least you can do. All right. We will talk to you tomorrow 2 o'clock, and as always, we love you.