PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Where does the Eagles’ QB room with Jalen Hurts and Tanner McKee rank among the NFL’s best?

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

It’s our turn to rank the league’s quarterbacks as Jalen Hurts’ game continues to be disrespected despite his Super Bowl MVP performance as the likes of jabronis like Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love and Baker Mayfield get ranked above him by unbelievable non-ball knowers. Factoring in the entire QB room, where do the Eagles rank with Jalen Hurts, Tanner McKee and Kyle McCord? Zach Berman is back with a vengeance to rank it up with Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

is back, baby. And he's ready to add his take to the quarterback ranking discourse coming up next on the PHLY Eagles podcast. The PHLY Eagles podcast and I'm steaming Monday afternoon. And you know the temperature is rising because Zach Berman is back, baby. How you doing, Mr. Berman? I'm doing great. I missed the C. I missed you guys.

I was watching throughout the week last week. I know that's right. And excited to be back. This is, this is the time of year when we earn our keep, right? Like where you're scratching and clawing for shows here. How dare you? This is a serious conversation we're about to have to. Oh, I agree.

I'm just saying like, you know, it's, it's not like we can lean on the game coming up this, this weekend or the draft coming up this week. This is, this is when you really separate like the pot, the podcasters, like the best podcast. right okay well it's how entertaining can you be on july well we're the best that's why true mark financial is so happy to be our presenting sponsor today and i do have to remind you or tell you as we kick off the week big draft week sack NBA draft wednesday thursday nchel draft friday saturday that means we have the make your move deal to become a die hard you want to read all the insight and information from Kyle Newbeck and Derek Bodner and Charlie O'Connor

as this this week that will shape the future of the Sixers and Flyers gets going and by the way we're going to have a nice draft party on Wednesday night at the Boosy Mutt so should be fun. Are you a dog guy? No. Okay.

Another my but the boozy Mutt would be a good place to go if you're a dog guy or if you just like draft. Or if you just want to go to the watch the Sixers guys. What was your the biggest thing you learned about covering or I should say covering a draft, preparing for a draft from the draft show last week. I hope everybody listens to that show.

You can check it out. It's actually just on the audio feed or you can sort of click your way through the 12-hour stream to check that out. But that was a fun conversation I enjoyed with Fran, Charlie, and Derek. What was the thing that I learned? Derek is still sad about Christaus Porzingis, I guess.

But no, that was a good conversation. It's a sort of different philosophies in different sports. But yeah, how about you? How many of those 12 hours did you listen to as you were going down the water slide? Well, I couldn't have the phone in when I was in the pool. That's the problem. So when I was...

All that you have done for technology, you can't make a phone, you can take a... Well, no, I saw some people actually had... They wear this thing around their neck. And it's like it covers the phone so they can go in the water with the phone. No. Yes, but I didn't have that because... Who was doing that? a lot of people that they want to take photos

when they're on the water slides or they're in the pool. That's one of the worst things I've ever heard. But, um, so, so, and that's saying a lot. So we were at the water park.

That's terrible. We're at the water park. Spend a minute without your phone, please. So we were there for two full days. Um, and once went on vacation, my senior year of high school, uh, and it was just sitting in the,

in the pool with my phone in my pocket until I realized it was in my pocket. Yeah. That's done. texting a girl, you know. I couldn't leave the phone. Let's hear more about that. Let's hear more about that. Not much more to learn.

That's not the story. So we were there for two full days. That is like, that is the worst thing of her. Going down the water slide with your phone around your neck. So we're at this water park and my son was doing all the slides. And my daughter would play in this like water playground. She liked that. And so Emily and I split up, right?

Like, because you know, divide and conquer, if you will. So she would actually do some of the slides with Reed And I was watching Sloan So during those times I was watching Sloan I had the AirPods in And listening to the shows And then when I got back to the hotel room It was just in time for the producer show

So I was able to be in front of the computer Well that was a highlight So I said in there I probably listened to four hours of the 12 And I haven't gone back And listen to all of them But it was a You know I get a little foam on when I'm gone

I missed Todd Harriman's. I would have liked to be there for that conversation. The draft notes from Fran was a good talk. I think you guys will get to have a show like that later on this summer. Yeah. And then I enjoyed being on Friday show. That was a long one. Yeah.

How did you feel over the weekend about the Chris Lindstrom disaster? Yeah, I wasn't happy with Chris Lindstrom. I was dealing with. I had signed an authorization form for him for my wife. That was a whole to do. Yes. We weren't, Ashina Roswell was doing the show at that time. But I'm proud of my overall team.

And I just want the audience to know because they seem to love France team. And look, France team is very good. Yeah, it's the second best team for sure. Travis Hunter, the ability to play two ways is so important here. You're going to give you full Gladstone here. Yeah, Travis Hunter is changing football. Do you think there's any relationship, but to any relation between James Gladstone and Joey Gladstone? No, I do not.

be funny if that was his project. Shout out to Mitchell Gladstone, a viewer over the show. They call them Happy Rock. Happy Rock. Yeah. Gladstone. Okay. That's a Bowulf line if I've ever heard one.

There you go. All right. And then before we get into it, last thing, I know there are a lot of things we talked about. You want to make sure that your voice is heard on these matters. Anything on castration you wanted to get off your chest? No, nothing. Nothing. I have, it's not, it's something I prefer not to.

think about. All right, fair enough. Okay. The conceit of the day of the show today, Zach. All these national people, well, the quarterback rankings.

It's big quarterback ranking discourse season. We got to be part of it. Yeah, but we'll be that be original with it. But we can't just do the same thing. We've got to have our own conceit. And so what we're doing today, we're ranking all 32 teams on their quarterback rooms.

And we are not, you've got to have a framing is this just for one game, for one season, rest of their car. careers. We are saying you are taking over a team and you are starting a franchise with the with the quarterback room that you have available. So obviously Matthew Stafford is going to be lower ranked on this list than then he might be otherwise if it was for just one season. But we'll see. And I mean, I didn't take the the quarterback rooms themselves that much into account.

There was like tiebreaker for me. Sure. But how did you approach this? Yeah. So the discrepancy in our rankings will probably be me overvaluing the backup quarterback because I think we're looking at the entire room here. And so if there's like a backup quarterback who I feel is a high level backup, that gives me some, that gives me some excitement. If there's a young quarterback, like, who I think can emerge. Yeah, the one that you mentioned blew me away. Yeah.

Absolutely astounded me. Did you see Joe Milton in Week 18 last year with New England? Who here saw Joe Milton in week 18? I cannot believe you view Joe Milton as a positive difference maker. Oh, yeah. I mean, Joe Milton throws a ball like 80 yards, right? It was all over. So when he was at Tennessee, he struggled at Michigan.

He wasn't drafted early enough for you. True. And they asked them to try different positions. No, Joe Milton can throw the ball. Okay. Yeah, I did. I had a little adjustment in my rankings for a quarterback room. Two was the best you could get, a little two-point adjustment.

One was like it's a positive. Zero was neutral. Negative one, negative two. I gave the Cowboys, David, a negative one adjustment. Joe Milton, he's not ready for prime time to be a backup quarterback. Oh, but there's some upside there. There's some upside there, but relative to the rest of the league. I was reading those Patriots training camp reports last year.

It was like he was out playing Drake May. Maybe that's more of a lesson about training camp reports than about the quality of Joe Milton. That's a conversation for a different day. Okay. So I created a proprietary. formula here. As you want to do. So I've, you know, I've got,

I can't give you everything. Okay. I wouldn't make it. Is it the Madden ratings? No longer proprietary. It's not the Maddening ratings. Okay. I have, you know, EPA per dropback, success rate,

negative play percentage. That's, I have it up for 2024, but also the last three years combined, different weights in there. I've got their rushing EPA because we can't forget about that. I've got a ranking for who's got the most dog in them because that matters here. And I'm curious to see where we have, Jalen Hertz. I have a guess for where you have Jalen Hertz and I'm going to write it down here.

Okay. We'll see if I, if I reveal it. Well, let's not Jalen Hertz, the Eagles quarterback room. Well, that's right. Okay. I want to make that clear. Okay. So, uh, let's get into it. Let's start at the top. Yes. I imagine we have the same number one. On the count of three. One, two, three. Pittsburgh Steelers. Chargers. I was going to do an Aaron Rogers joke there. No. Patrick Mahomes. Well, Kansas Chiefs. And also, you talk about high-level backup quarterbacks. Yeah, this is different.

You know, Garner-Minshu, that was probably an under-the-radar move. They went from Carson Wentz to Garner-Minschew. Garner-Minshue, we've seen him come in and win games. He did not cut it as the starting quarterback with the Raiders last year, but high-level backup. I'm probably spending too much time talking about the backup. The starting quarterback here is the best quarterback in the NFL. He's, in my opinion, the best player in NFL history. And he is cheating on.

Tom there. Wouldn't be the first time. Did you do some jujitsu on vacation, my friend? That's a good line. I actually didn't mean to set you up on that. But Patrick Mahomes is awesome. And Patrick Mahomes is the clear number one. When you say best player of all time,

if he retires tomorrow, is that the case? Or you're talking about the apex of his ability. No one has ever played the game at his high. Yeah, I think when he retires, sure, yeah. I think when he retires, he'll be the best quarterback of all time. I think if he retired today, he's in that conversation, but I think Tom Brady's overall body of work.

This is the distinction between best and greatest. Yes. I think Michael Jordan is the greatest. LeBron James is the best. Yeah. I mean, my grandfather went over at Brook High School. He would tell you Will Chamberlain. But, yeah, no, I hear what you're saying.

And I just, I think the world of Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I mean, no doubt about it. still only 29 year, or going to be playing in his 29 year old season this year. So, you know, still a long runway for Patrick Mahomes. I was a little bit surprised.

In my formula, he ranked sixth. So you adjust. But yeah, I mean, that's, that was just to inform. That's also more about how they performed

over the past three years. That offense has had some ups and downs. And he doesn't, he's not adding much as a runner until he has to when it matters. I don't think we need to talk too much about Patrick Mahomes. He's the best player. a quick, Mahomes question,

and this might sound ignorant. I was watching the finals last night, and I saw the commercial with him and Messi, and I take it you're someone who probably knows something about commercial production. This might sound foolish. Are they in the same room or are they separate? Okay, so they're just filming them on the stationary bikes,

or I'm sorry, on the treadmills, rather, hitting the other person's... Well, I didn't see the commercial. Oh, okay. So what the commercial is is, is, Messies on one. Mahomes is on the other, and they make the other person go faster. Like,

they raise the speed for the other person. That would be very surprising if they're on the same one. Yeah. I mean, you know those ones where it's like someone's throwing a ball to somebody? And then it's, they catch the ball and they're like, you think those people are in the same room?

No, but I'm saying in this case here, Messies, he's stateside, right? Yeah. So I imagine it wouldn't be difficult to get Messi in Mahomes in the same room if you're Adidas. But I don't know.

Maybe. CGI work that goes into it, to have someone else on the treadmill next to Mahomes when he does it. And then they just... I mean, if they're side by side, probably more likely than not that they're not together. Yeah, good commercial. Wow. We're talking about the next day, right? So stood out.

Well, you are. I am. All right, number two. Who's your number two? The Buffalo Bills. Yeah. Yeah, Josh Allen. Mr. Biscuit.

Yeah, Rainy MVP. Mitch Trubiskey is a solid backup. They could probably use more of a developmental number three than what they have. They go Mike White. We've seen Mike White win some games. Remember that Thursday night game? Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah.

I was a starting quarterback for a while. Sure. So, but I am going with the Buffalo Bills here. I agree. I also have John Schellon number two here. And he would be number one on the rankings of a bowl formula. But in my, in my subject of rankings, he's number two. He's very good.

He's also, he's a little bit. older than I thought of my mind. I mean, he's also going to be in his 29-year-old season. Though, you know, like, we'll get to Jalen Hertz. He's a few years younger, obviously. You know, you got your Jordan loves, your C.J. Strouds. Josh Allen's just a touch older. You wonder how his body's going to hold up the way that he plays.

So another ignorant question. Am I supposed to know a lot about his wife? Like, you know, I... You're not a pitch perfect man? I'm not familiar with her work. I mean, I knew the name, but I couldn't have told you a movie she was in. You never seen Pitch Perfect? Pitch Perfect, too.

I believe she's in? No, I have not seen Pitch Perfect. And of course, the, uh, the, she was in one recently. The Coen Brothers movie that she's in when she was, uh, precocious youngster. She's, she's, she's, true grit, true grit.

True grit. She's very good and true grit. Okay. I have seen true grit. Sinners was the most recent. Oh, I haven't seen. You know what? I want to see that.

It comes out on, on, on, uh, but I want to see them in the theaters. Yeah, I'm excited to see that one. I'm, am I supposed to get time to go to the theater by myself, tough question. but yeah I didn't see that a good summer day to theater

she's outstanding in true grit okay but you know you can't be looking at her with the gaze of this is the person who's gonna be married Josh Allen Josh Allen she's like 14 years old I promise you I won't keep doing these tangents we have 32 teams to get to so I kind of like this

give me an ignorant question for all 32 teams question for all 32 yeah okay who's your number three I'm a little curious about Who's your number three? Yeah, I went to Baltimore Ravens here, and I'm not sold on the backup quarterback situation. I added Cooper Rush. What an odd, like priority backup for that.

Yeah, I did find that odd. But Lamar's that good. He's still young, and I just have confidence. Am I safe in saying that you have the Bengals at number four? You are. Okay. So, yeah, how was, what was the back and forth in your mind between Lamar and Joe? I just, I've seen, you know, I think Lamar and Joe, like I know.

I think Lamar is more unique, I guess. I love Burroughs. Are you open to the idea that Cincinnati could be three? No, but the idea that push come to shove in the playoffs, why haven't we seen Lamar have the game? Because he's played against the Chiefs. Sure. But if he's the MVP of the league, you know, I agree.

I think we could have hoped for more at some point, right? I don't think that's unfair. Yeah, it's like those, you know, Charles Barkley was, Charles Barkley had had Jordan in his way, right? It's just the luck of the draw. If Lamar Jackson were in the NFC, I believe that he would have played in multiple Super Bowls by now.

Okay. So that affects why you have him over jail and her to take us. Yeah, I mean, listen, I also have the Ravens at three and the Bengals at four. I do like Jake Browning more. After having watched him play, yeah. Yeah, I like Jake Browning more than Cooper Rush. So I was debating that three and four.

Do you think that there is reason why quarterbacks with a color in their name tend to be backups? You've got Mike White you've said so far, Jake Browning already. Anything there? No, I have nothing for you on that one. Now I'm trying to think, no, I think it's pretty common. We have a color as your last name. So it's just there's probably the volume for it. Are there colors of starting quarterbacks?

I can't see. I'm looking at it now. I don't see any starting quarterbacks with colors in their name. Interesting. And then, yeah, no, I have nothing for you on that one. I wish I had more. So do I. That was my ignorant question.

Gotcha. Okay. Number five. Let's get to number five before the break. I'm very curious. This is when it starts. This is when the ranking starts, Zach. Yeah.

I think that your number five is the Philadelphia Eagles. From one author to another. Joe and Hertz, you are number five. If you didn't see the news, Jell and Hertz has a age. It's all your idea. As a children's book. My children are going to be pretty frustrated here.

Brendan Graham writes one. Pretty long publishing runway for that one, right? I was thinking the same thing. I had to turn around 83,000 words they get out before the season started. This guy. You should say this guy. Can publish in March? Yeah.

He doesn't want to take advantage of the, you know, the Super Bowl bump. My guess is he probably didn't want to do the publicity tour during the season. But he could do it now. Yeah, I mean, I got to say, very odd. It's actually a question. I would say, Jalen, like, you know, I'm envious of you, man. I had to turn that around. Do you think they're still working on the illustrations or getting the copy down?

You think he's written the book yet? Oh, yeah, I'm sure he has. Unless he just got the book deal and they announced it. That's what I'm asking, yeah. Yeah, maybe. Actually, that's, that's an interesting. Getting paid up front. Now he's got to go write the book. That's what he's spending his offseason doing. Sure. She's got a better agent than I do.

That's for sure. Shut off to Nicole. I doubt she's his book agent, though. Oh, no, but I'm sure Rock Nation has, or I'm sorry, it's not Rock Nation, it's Clutch. I apologize. Clutch Sports. Gladstone. Clutch Sports has someone in-house for books, is my guess. I don't know.

Probably so. Anyways, I have the Eagles number five. First off, J-Lens won a Super Bowl. Super Bowl MVP, okay? We can have to debate whether he's a better quarterback than Justin Herbert or Jordan Love or, you know, we can have that debate. He's accomplished, that's for sure. But then you add in the fact that he's still young. He's on a good contract, relatively speaking.

Were you factoring in contracts? I wasn't really. No, well, okay. Any quarterback worth anything you're picking that around. I like Tanner McKee has, so this was a big thing. Tanner McKee's shown upside. I don't want to steal your bit, but Tanner McKee has, I mean, entering year three, if we did a backup quarterback show, maybe we'll do that on like July 4th or we're not doing a show in July 4th.

July 3rd, maybe. That says America more than that. Yeah, backup quarterback rankings. You know, everyone else is doing the starting quarterback rankings. We're doing the backup quarterback rankings. So I like Tanner McKee. He would be high up on that list. And Kyle McCord is a developmental third.

I'm good with that. Sure. I mean, Kyle McCord doesn't factor into this ranking at all. Well, I'm looking at the overall quarterback room. He's in the room. I know. I have three spots here on my spreadsheet. A, B.

That's very nice for you. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad that you were able to get to D on the spreadsheet. D on the spreadsheet. But when we're, no one's making a decision based on the third round, the back of the third quarterback. No, but when I'm thinking about the overall strength of the, I'm taking the whole. whole quarterback.

You're doing it because of Jalen. Don't, don't. Oh, yeah, obviously, if this was. If they had Aaron Rogers. If this was just ranking quarterbacks, would you have the, would you have Jalen Hart's fifth? For the starting the franchise conversation,

yes. I would strongly consider Jaden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love in there. But yeah, I think Jalen has earned that distinction. I don't think that that's unfair. Yeah.

I mean, I, I know there might be, you know, national analyst and radio hosts who disagree with me, but like Jay-Oen's done everything that asked of him. And more. Yeah. I think that those, you know, the, whatever national conversations you're referencing, where, you know, Justin Herbert is thought of as the best quarter, you know, probably the number

five quarterback, whatever it is. I do think that, and this is not how I would have thought, you know, 10 years ago. but I do think that the force of personality and the like the jeuniseiseit what of Jalen Hertz. I like that. The Jalen Secois. Underrated. I also think from an on-field perspective,

it's easy to look past the rushing value. Now listen, there were times last year where the offense treated Jalen Hertz like a rookie quarterback. And they were purposefully asking him. to not do a lot. And it's hard to watch that, knowing that this is a quarterback who's getting paid a lot of money

and the organization is treating him that way and not think, what do they know that I don't, like obviously they are treating him this way because they don't think he can do it all. Sure. But, and listen, I also don't want to be too recency bias

and just say he played a great game in the Super Bowl, this is where he belongs. But I also think it is fair to say that over the past three years, no quarterback in football has had more EPA added in the playoffs, just the playoffs, than Jalen Hertz. He's been the best playoff quarterback in football over the last three years. That matters.

Sure, he's got a great cast around him. He's got a great offensive line. He had Sequin Barkley. He's got A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. Not everybody has that. But I also think I don't necessarily know that, like, I think if Jailen Hertz had the Chargers roster last year, I think the Chargers would have been better. I really do.

And I know that Justin Herbert can make a lot of throws that Jalen Hertz can't make. But Justin Herbert also throws like these these throws that are technically impressive and not that catchable. You know what I mean? Like the point of the pass is for the receiver to catch it. Sure. I also have Jalen Hertz and the Eagles quarterback at number five.

Do you? Okay. Which surprised me a little bit. Based on your formula or based on subjective? On my formula, he's at seven. Okay. but he's going to be 27 years old this year. They have a good backup quarterback,

arguably the best backup quarterback in football. I think that there are reasons to be skeptical of Jalen Hertz, especially from the outside. And even from the inside where we know that, like, you know, he doesn't have the best relationship with everybody on the roster. But you know what? The thing that Todd Harriman said last week has really stuck with me, like the quarterback doesn't have to be everybody's best friend.

No. as long as he is psychotically committed to just being the best football player. Well said. Right. And Lord knows, often at the expense of our own content, that that is all that Jalen Hertz cares about. Yeah. You put it well there. Todd put it well there.

I listened to a podcast with Seth Wickersham and Bruce Feldman. Great podcast. And Seth has a terrific book. Well, I imagine it's a terrific book. I haven't read it yet. It's coming out in the fall, American Kings. And it's about quarterback. and he spent like three years just studying quarterbacks.

And Seth, I'm paraphrasing here, but spoke about how like a quarterback needs, for a quarterback to function well, he needs to believe that he's like the center of the universe, basically, that everything is created for him to excel during those three hours on Sunday. And that he almost needs to have this irrational belief that he's like above everybody else.

He's the smartest person in everybody. Exactly. And so, I you know there was there's the expression I think Sean Peyton said to Seth where when you get on a plane the quarterback turns left and everyone else turns right right and like there's something about like Jalen has that when I heard that I it really helped explain Jalen's personality um Jalen believes at all times like he is the best quarterback and I think that has helped him and look we talk about recency bias two of the past three years he's played in the Super Bowl and And he outplayed Patrick Mahomes last year. And he might have outplayed Patrick Mahomes, you know, three years ago. And there's something to be said about that as well. So if you're looking for Janwin Hertz is overrated,

you're probably watching the wrong show. I think that J.O.N. has earned this spot on the list. And if Jalen's watching, I would, I imagine he probably thinks he should be higher on this list. You think he's watching? I know he's watching. What's up, Jaylon? He's been texting me. Now I'm jealous.

He said he just finished the book. His book? Yeah. Okay. Children's books are like 18 pages, so knock those out in a night. This is one of your funniest stances is talking down on children's authors and children's books. Well, the illustrators.

There's some species. No, it's no, it's not. It's more jealousy because I, you know, I put myself through the ringer to fit. That's Sheel. Yes, okay. To finish a book. And I read these books.

Yeah, but it's an art form, though. It's not just take the 80,000 words you wrote and make it, and just take the first 300. You've got to make it economically. You've got to make those words count. Beep said blue around the curve, right? I mean. Listen, I don't want to offend you here.

Little blue truck. And even more to the point, like Room on the Broome. You're taking that over the franchise? Room on the Broome, I am sorry to say, better than anything, either of us has ever written. Well, I mean, that Kelsey Story, Euro was amazing. Room on the Broome is, is every word is perfect. It sends a wonderful message.

You get the nice refrain and chorus. Good opportunity for voices as well. Julie Donaldson, I mean, my hat's off to you. I would say one of the great literary achievements of the world. Yeah, I'm, look, I respect all authors, right? But I'm just, what? I don't think that that's true. All right, fine.

I respect what it takes to write a book. Anyways, I think we got to get to our sponsors and then, then I can talk more about authors because I actually did, I did, I want to tell the audience. I did start reading fiction. Oh, find out what it is on the other side after a word from our sponsor. Speaking a little, little boo truck. Beep, beep, beep.

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Two-man show. We've got the same ranking, same top five. When are we going to differ? I think it might not be at six. I think we might have the same number six. I'm curious. So number six. Do you want to tell us what book you've been reading?

I do think that I respect all authors might be the worst take you've ever had. I'm glad you walked it back. Yeah, I walk it back. As long as Mon Kampf is out there. Yeah, I don't respect that author. I agree. I probably should. I was trying to speak generally about writing a book.

Certainly don't want to get into that conversation. Anyways, I promised the audience that I would read fiction. And so reading reviews of summer books. I mean, I know where this is going. Yeah. Like, you could not possibly be just more right between the eyes on this one. And so I'm reading recommendations for summer books. And I see a book about, it's a fiction book about a, the first gentleman is a former football player.

And he's, so he's obviously married to the president of the United States and involves journalists here. and there's a, there's a, I don't want to give it away, but he's, he's involved in a, in a crime, or a proposed crime, an alleged crime, rather. And it's, it's written by Bill Clinton and James Patterson. And I got to say, they alternate words? I'm, I'm actually curious, they have this interesting device where the chat, no, I don't know the exact amount of pages because I read on a Kindle, but the chapters, there's like 60 chapters in the book

and each chapter is probably like 500 words or something. But yeah, I started reading this book. Greg Rosenthal, rolling over in his grave over this one. Why? This is the one fiction book you're reading.

This is the first thing. Yeah. So look, it kind of reminds me of like if you used to watch scandal, you know, it's like scandal meets playmakers. Okay,

how about that? that or something like that. But yeah, I... It could not be more perfect for you. So this is the, this is my, this is my foray to fiction. Is there an Epstein character in this book? Or do they stay away from that? No, there hasn't, I haven't encountered such a character yet.

You haven't finished it yet. No, I haven't finished it yet. How deep are you? I'm about halfway through. Okay. Do you think you'll finish? Yeah, I will definitely finish. The summer's when I do a lot of like pleasure reading.

like um but i with fabio on the cover when i read the summers when i read for for i i i said i want to alternate like one fiction book for every three nonfiction books so okay yeah so if you have if you have more suggestions then fire away uh but yeah it's i mean look i think fiction

you read jena bush's latest no just thrown out maybe that's just the that's your Lane is just... Oh, yeah. No, I... Yeah, it's actually like, you know, it gets your imagination rolling here.

Okay. You probably could do that at a higher level of quality, but... He played for the New England Patriots. So, yeah. So... There's some scenes. You get your Belichick kink,

knock off? No, so it's been... It's been... It's got great reviews. Great reviews. So it's been fine. Where? I prefer nonfiction.

But, But great reviews from whom? I think I Google best books for the summer, and this is high on the list. I'm just being honest with you. So I'm reading that, and then I'm reading abundance. Are you familiar with abundance? Maybe. Yeah, by Thompson and Klein.

Yeah, it's a good, see, it's a good read. Recommend that. Okay. Anyways, back to It's funny that we have a whole Concede about rankings which are designed to get us angry at each other and the only thing that is mystifying me is your book text.

It's the fiction. Yeah, true. All right, who's your number six? The Washington commanders. Are we at the same here? We are. Wow, okay. Yeah. So Jaden Daniels emerged last year

brings the team to the NFC championship game as a rookie. And then I really like Marcus Mariotta as a backup quarterback. I think Mario is second best quarterback in football last year after Tannen McKee. Yeah, Mariotta gives you some juice as a backup. So I like that combination. Yeah, listen, I'm a little bit wary of, you know, the one-year sensation.

I think if we had done this exercise a year ago, C.J. Strau would have been, you know, number five or number six on this list, right? The unbelievable rookie season. Now, Jane Daniels' rookie season was better significantly than C.J. Strouds, statistically. He also, you know, got to the NFC championship game. I think Jaden Daniels is really good. I am cautious that I have him this high after just one season. But, I mean, you watch him play.

I believe in it. The numbers back it up. He's also, if you're talking about just starting a franchise, he's, you know, one of only two guys in my top 10 who are going to be 24, or 23 years old entering this year. Yeah, I would be happy to sign up for Jaden Daniels as my starting quarterback. as a leader of my franchise. Yeah, me too.

Okay. I'm curious here now. This may be where we diverge. And I think this is a, I think there's a drop off here. I think those top six, it's like you're very happy. Once we get to seven here,

I think you're a little bit like, like we can win, we can win the Super Bowl with this guy, but we got to, we have to put the right stuff around him. Yeah, so this is a team that I'm high on this year. And I'm high on this quarterback as well. and that's Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers, number seven,

Taylor Heineke's their backup quarterback. And I got to say their third quarterback, they added someone who's always been a... You're a sucker for this third quarterback. A source of intrigue for me, and that's Trade Lance. I mean, if you are doing... If you're thinking about this exercise and which quarterbacks you would want,

out of 100 turkeys, how much does the third quarterback mean to you? Eight. That's shockingly high, I feel. Okay. No more than two. So then why are we doing the quarterback room? Because it breaks a tide. Okay.

And it's something a little bit different. Sure. Yeah. So look, you have a lot of shows out there that are doing quarterback rankings. None of them are discussing Trey Lance. So we're finding what is Zig one other Zag. Or Zag one other Zieg. I think Justin Herbert's overrated.

Why? People talk about him like he's in the inner circle of elite players. You know. He's never accomplished anything. And usually I'm not Mr. accomplishment. That's you. But,

well, that's true. Yeah. But, you know, he's been in the league long enough. Sure. I mean,

I know that he's had bad offensive lines and, and the, you know, the wide receivers have been in and out. I think you'd be happy to have him as your quarterback. But I need to see it a little bit more. And even like the, you know,

it's not like he's putting up Brock Purdy level, uh, statistical numbers, like efficiency numbers, right? Like last year, 12th in EPA per dropback, 20th in success rate, 14th and negative plays. Over the past three years, 13th in EPA per dropback, 19th in success rate. Like, what am I missing? Yeah, I mean, I think.

Right, 14th in my dog in him category. You don't think he has a dog in him? He's 14th. It's middle of the road. Okay. Yeah, so I'm curious to hear more about the dog in him. rankings. It's very important. Yeah, I feel like he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's got all the talent.

Um, I feel as if, uh, earlier in his career, the offensive line really set him back. I think he's too well-adjusted. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I think he's too much of a normal human being. Interesting. So they go based on like the jail and you have to be benignable for going down the wickersham road. I don't think that Justin Herbert is deranged enough. Ah. To really be an elite quarterback in the NFL. I think his, his, his quarter, his head coach, um,

fills it all on the deranged scale. You're absolutely right. He needs to borrow the combined. Exactly. Derrain. Yeah. What would be the word there? Derangement.

The combined derangement. Combined derangement. Exactly. If we're doing derange coach quarterback combinations, the charges might be top three just based on the coach. Yeah, that's true. I think that's my take.

Okay. Justin Herbert's too normal. To really be an elite quarterback. Okay. What was he a biology major in college? Yeah, you can't have real other interests. Yeah. That's not going to work.

Yeah. Played for his hometown school. Yeah. I had Herbert and the Chargers at 9. Interesting. Okay. So there's our first disagreement. Who'd you have at 7?

I don't love this, but I love it. Jordan Love. Okay. A little bit, you know, he came up a little bit small in the playoffs. No doubt about that. But he's only 26 years. He's going to be 26 years old this year. does a very good job of not having negative plays,

adds a little bit of juice in the running game. I like Jordan Love. I don't love Jordan Love, but I like him enough that he can be my number seven. And their backup quarterbacks, Malik Willis, who? Yeah, it is. Who's their number three? Oh, I had that. Scott Tolzeen?

No. No, I'm joking. Oh, excuse me. I should have written that down. Their number three is Sean Clifford. Ah, that's right, Sean Clifford. from Penn State. Stinks.

So I actually had the Packers 9. So our 7 and 9 were reversed. There you go. All right. We'll find out who we both have at 8 and 10 through 32. Who would make this a two-parter? That's not a better. That's going to be a bit of a hook.

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Yeah, I'm just, I'm buying the hope. Yes. The flashes that we've seen. Sure. He's young enough. He's only, I mean, he's only going to be in his 23-year-old season. Yeah, I'm betting on the come with C.J. Stroud. And then they have Davis Mills as their backup.

He's a long neck. A Stanford guy. Like a giraffe. Stanford guy. So, you know, he's smart. They're number three. They're number three. I think it's Shane Bacalli.

Is that right? No, it's Graham Mertz. Not a big Graham Mertz. Not a big grand Mertz. Not a big Graham Mertz guy. Tough to go Graham Mertz, like the M to the M. It sounds like Graham Hertz, like Zach Hertz, but it's actually Mertz. Mertz.

Tough transition. You want to try to avoid that if you can. Yeah, he puts the M and Mertz. I know that's right. So who's your number 10 or number 10? My number 10. Another guy, this is one where surprised me a little bit. And this is someone who I was wrong about.

Two years ago, three years ago, I didn't know what the lions were doing. Like, why are they wasting their time with Jared Goff? Let's fast forward and get a real quarterback in here. He's been awesome. And it's going to be interesting to see him divorced from Ben Johnson. We'll see how it goes. But he's also only in his age 30 season. I've got Jared Goff, despite disappointing Hendon Hooker backup, Zach, as my number 10.

I like Hendon Hooker as the backup. That actually made me raise them. They're number 12 on my list. You like a hooker. I like a Hendon Hooker, yes. It seems like I'm overrating the Tennessee Byper. It does seem like that, yeah.

But yeah, I saw Hendon Hooker play when he was at Virginia Tech. And I was like, if this guy gets better coaching, he'll be a good player. He goes to Tennessee, gets better coaching, was really good there. Hendon Hooker, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing Hendon Hooker film during training camp this year. So I have the Lions 12. My number 10 is the San Francisco 49ers. Okay. Again, we swapped.

I have them at 12. Okay. Brock Purdy has, you know, I know he's kind of viewed as Mr. Irrelevant. He's been really productive. Like the efficiency numbers are there. He brought his team to the Super Bowl. And then I like Mack Jones as a backup quarterback. I think if you remember that.

Colin Shannon wanted all along. Exactly. Yeah. So I was thinking of putting them higher, but they get a solid top 10 grade for me. I mean, listen, it's hard to ignore the efficiency numbers of how good Brock Purdy has been in my rankings. He's in my formula. He's number four, right?

After Josh Allen and Jared Gough and Lamar. But you're trying to extrapolate how much of that is Kyle Shanahan on the offense. But you can't, I mean, you can't really knock him for that. And he's only 25 years old. I think it's reasonable. This is the area where you're like, okay, I've got a starting quarterback. Now I've got to build the rest of the team. So you're number 11.

Stafford. I'm taking the Rams here because I think that after this like this is my guy who I could win a Super Bowl this year with. So yes, he's going to be 37. If we were just doing it for this season,

I think you can make a case for Stafford as high as five. You could make the case. But because you're signing up for one or two more years and then you've got to have a transition plan, that's where I have about 11. I have about 23. Really? Yes.

Interesting. Because we're thinking, long term. Yeah, but I think there is value in pricing in excellence. Sure. And then you get to go to work. Because otherwise, if you're talking about the likes of,

I don't know, Bryce Young or Caleb Williams, who we will get to, you don't have a choice. Like, you're just ride or die with this guy. That's fair. And look, I think Jimmy Garoppel is a high level backup quarterback, too. You know that. So this is probably too low.

I think I did some adjusting with this. But that, that's our biggest discrepancy so far. My number 11, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Where were they for you? They're 14 for me. Okay. I've always been a Trevor Lawrence guy going back to when he was at Clemson.

I think that like I've seen him win a playoff game against Justin Herbert. Last year he was banged up. He didn't really take that jump. I am going with Jacksonville at number 11 and then their backup quarterback situation

And it's not really bad. It's Nick Mollins. That's really bad. Nick Mollins was here. Remember that? Yeah, one of the worst training camp quarterbacks I've ever seen this side of clapping. Yeah.

But he has experience with Grant Nudinsky, the offensive coordinator. That's the other column I have on here is I have dog in him. I have EPA per dropback and I have experience with Grant Udinski. Grant Nudinsky. Grant Nudiski from the U. CB West. Do we have any Central Beck's West viewers there?

Andrew, CB West? Oh. Look at that. that. Yeah. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Yeah.

Grant Yudinsky, they're O.C. from CB West. Not Grant me, Dinsky, not Grant Weeinsky. Grant U. Yeah, 29 years old from Doylestown. I would have went to school with him.

I should know him. Yeah, you should. Yeah. He graduated CB West in probably, he was probably the class of 2015. Oh, okay. No, I was 11. Ah, okay.

Yeah. So he was probably on the football team there. When I was growing up, And I would read The Inquirer every day. You're still growing up. Yeah, not literally. But those CVS teams, you know, the Mike Patton teams with Dave Armstrong, like I was, I remember reading about those teams every single weekend in the Enquirer. Yeah, I mean, listen, Trevor Lawrence is still only in his age 25 season.

So I'm, I'm open to it. But I do think that he has been a massive disappointment as a pro so far. You see the flashes in that, in the Chargers playoff game. Even every now and then, you see, like, you see throws that guys just drop, but it has been a disappointing performance so far. And he's been in the league long enough. I should probably wish that I had ranked him a little bit lower. So my number 12 we discussed was Detroit. Your number 12?

My number 12 was San Fran. San Fran. My 13 is the Bucks. Baker Mayfield. My 13 is the Bears. Really? Yeah. Wow.

I'm buying the Caleb Williams juice. Actually, you know what? He's not that much lower for me. He's actually 16. Okay. Yeah, I think the coaching was so bad there last year. Now, you need to overcome coaching, right? But I'm bullish on Caleb Williams.

I'm willing to write off last year. I agree with that. At some point during the next three weeks, we're going to do a fantasy football show. It's probably a day that Jamie and me are in studio. And I will be talking up Caleb Williams as a potential sleeper in fantasy football. Okay. Interesting.

I've got, yeah, I've got the bears at 16. You're not even going to tell us they've got Tyson Bayesian and Case Canem. They do have Tyson Bayesian, by the way, was the mystery guest on the CHGO Bears show. Wow. Good pool. I think Harriman's is a better pool. But how do you know that? Not only were you on vacation with your family in the water park listening to our show.

You were also checking in on the Bears. I got to say, my YouTube algorithm, okay, is all city shows, like from every market and West Wing clips. Like, that's it. If you were to go to my YouTube, you'll see, I mean, I, it's all the All-City shows, so P-HNX and DLS and DNVR and CHGO, and obviously, PHLY, and then just random West Wing clips that I watch. Yeah. So, I think it came up in my feed.

Okay. The, there were a few other mystery guests that were, that were pretty good. But anyways. Where do you have the bucks? I have the bucks at 17. Okay. which might be a little low here. Yeah, I told you in the green room, if we're calling it the green room.

I had trouble ranking Baker Mayfield. He's been really productive during these past few years. He also was like almost out of football at one point. I'm impressed by Mayfield, but I don't know if I'm like starting my franchise with him. Kyle Trask hasn't done much as the number two. I liked Michael Pratt when he was coming out to Lane, but that didn't get me too high on. So this is interesting, Zach. We have made it this far.

We're up to 15. I think some people would be surprised that we haven't gotten to the Dallas Cowboys yet. That's who I have at 15. That's why I have a 15. Listen. Wait, do we do 14? I had Lawrence. Oh, I had Arizona Cardinals.

Oh, really? Okay, yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay, yeah. I'm a huge Kyler guy. Way higher. Maybe I'm watching too much the PNNX show. They think...

I have him at 21. Yeah, the P.HNX show talks about... brother murray like he's he's gonna set the league on fire this year so i'm very influenced by their coverage i suppose well it's very hot in phoenix i guess but it's that a hot take um yeah i have i have dallas 15 and i wanted to have them higher i like dac i i like joel bouldon as the backup go ahead go ahead yeah and also with the cardinal saved jacoboby percette as the backup and i thought that was a good um like a high level number two yeah yeah uh so with the cowboys yeah i think Dax's a high level player and I look a Dac 1 12.

I'm sorry. Intellectually, if you are, if you are like valuing Jalen Hertz's playoff bonafides. Sure. And then that is what gets him to number five. Tyler Murray has been in the league six years since being the number one over a pick and has played in one playoff game. Yeah, look, that's a valid point. Show me something.

I'm probably overrating him. but the tools have always been tantalizing. And look, he's healthy, right? So he tore his ACL one year. He was late arriving back in the lineup last year, or two years ago, rather. So he's just, I mean, last year I thought he showed some flashes. I'm ready to see him in year three in that offense.

To me, Kyler-Marie is in this exercise, the guy who is like, I will take the roll of the dice on, Cam Ward and Drake May and Bo Nix and Bryce and all these young guys, rather than being priced into a limited upside in Kyla Murray, because I know at this point, I think I know, that he doesn't have that level in him. Where is he on your dog ranking? Good question.

19th. 19th, okay. So, yeah, so I had Cowboys 15, Dak and Joe Milton. I don't like the coaching Stanford. You love Joe. This was so funny, John Milton. Yeah, listen, Dak was not good last year when he was healthy.

Yeah, last year he was not. He was bad. But the year before he was good. Yeah, and the year before that, he was fine. Yes. And sneaky old. He's the second oldest quarterback that we've talked about so far, other than Matthew Stafford.

And the only other projected starting quarterbacks I have on this list who are going to be older than Dak are Gino Smith, Joe Flacco, if you count him in Cleveland, and Aaron Rogers. And sorry, and Russell Wilson. That's a fair point. Russell Wilson. Like, I think Dak is good enough

to win a Super Bowl, but not by himself. Fair. And I think there's a chance that he is like in, just in decline, though. That's fair.

So, I mean, I still have him 15th. So you're 16th? My 16th? Hold on. As you're looking up, I'll go.

Oh, no, my 16th was, was Dak. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. No, no. My 16th was Caleb. It wins. Okay. My 16th is Miami.

Really? Yes. That is shocking to me. Yeah. Now, Tua hasn't been healthy, but when Tua is... They are 24th for me. Really? Okay. Yeah, I mean, I thought Tua, over the past two years, showed something. He just, he's gotten hurt too often.

I like getting Zach Wilson as the backup quarterback there in the Wilson offense. That's one of the worst backup quarterbacks in the league. You think Zach Wilson is one of the worst backups in the league? Yes. Okay. I'd like the second chance high traffics. He's really a third chance guy. But yeah.

But the damage his mom's going to be able to do on South Beach. I mean. Yeah, I have no comment there. So I had Tampa Bay 17. I'm curious you're 18 because you're going to pan me for my 18. I can't believe you have the dolphins at high. I mean, yeah, Tua's been great when healthy. But if you're starting a franchise, you don't want that injury history.

That's true. That's fair. That's fair. Right. That's fair. Okay. Uh, my 17 is Drake May. Okay. He's, he's my 21st. Okay. He just got married this weekend. Congratulations, Drake. Congratulations, Drake. Hopefully it doesn't go the way of Carson Went since the downfall in his career. I don't think the marriage was the reason, but we'll find out why that might be the case in overtime. That was an elite overtime out of you. You were, you've been waiting all. I yeah. You nailed that.

I was working overtime this week, so now I can say over time. I believe that. Yes. Yeah, you worry about a guy going to be 23 years old getting married? No, true love. It's just like, I think this high school sweetheart. True love. What do you know?

I think it's this high school sweetheart, right? I could be wrong there. True love. I'm a. To blave. I'm a sucker for true love, man. Like, yeah. Yeah.

I think that's like, yeah, I think it's good. It shows, it shows commitment. Yeah, I mean, listen, you're talking about if we're getting on the, is this guy psychopathic enough? And I guess get that out of the way. Yeah. And then, but, you know, didn't work for Carson. Yeah, screw.

Got that big bed and then all of a sudden, don't play football anymore. True, true. All right. So my 18, I think it's kind of polarizing here. Okay. For some reason, kids love this, this, this quarterback. And I say this as the father of a six-year-old.

Oh, I'm sorry. Father, I have a six-year-old daughter, a eight-year-old son. And he had a birthday party. And all the kids were talking about this guy. So I don't know if there's something on YouTube or sports cards about this. The Minnesota Vikings, J.J. McCarthy is so popular right now. Interesting. And that's why you haven't been 18 because the kids love.

Well, no, I've always been a JJ guy. Yeah, you have been high on him. Yeah. I have him at 23. Yeah. So you have to factor. The thing is, like, I would buy his stock because it is a good system surrounding him.

Sure, exactly. Like. Exactly. But if I were starting a random franchise, I'm not so sure I would love to. Yeah, he's another guy who I would pay attention to in fantasy this year. Then Sam Howell was the backup quarterback. I think it's a fine backup.

Yeah, but most of the people you've said so far, I'm like, there's not a lot of differentiation, but those backups. Sure. I have, I just have just, I'll take Cam Ward at 18. Oh, let's see what he does. I can't order 25. That's fine. I don't really feel strongly about that.

It's more of like a just, I'll take the roll of the dice. I don't love the offensive infrastructure there either. Well, yeah, but I'm not betting on the Titans infrastructure. I'm just betting on giving me the quarterback. True, true. Plus Will Levis says it back up. There you go, your guy.

19 for me is Bo Nex. Oh, Bo on Bo. Is much higher than I was expecting to have them. I actually did that. I did my guess of my ranking before I went through the numbers and then my actual ranking. so he swayed me a few spots. The DNVR Spirit Week show,

Zach Stevens was wearing the DNVR bow neck shirt. So, great insight there. I think it's LFG Bo. I think it's actually a shirt you should get. Probably. LFG Bo. Yeah.

So I had Denver 22 on this list. My 19, this is a team that this is like, this was if you were a true sicko and you watched our draft coverage two years ago, You remember the my guys. Is this 20 who have right now? 19.

Okay. Michael Pennix Jr. Michael Pennix Jr. But you didn't have your guy and it's a top 10 pick. No, that's true. Relative to the expectation. I haven't met 22.

I think that's fine. I'm a sucker for a lefty quarterback too. There's a beautiful ball. Yeah, exactly. I had one spot ahead of J.J. McCarthy. Older than people realize. True. Yeah, my 20, and look,

there's probably a little Philadelphia or Winwood. bias year. I knew it. I also haven't met 20. The Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young. This is a tough one. I mean, he played so well then last year. Yes. But you can't just ignore the other stuff. Yes. Yeah, Bryce Young was... Like, the physical limitations are real. Yeah, true. But I also am a 20. I mean, I would take him over Pennix and McCarthy and Tua. I was really impressing him in person. I thought that last drive against Eagles was impressive. By the way, he was at Fanatics Fest this past weekend. So was our Chris Fressa from...

Do you think they hung out? I doubt it. But I'll ask Chris when I see him next. When will that be? Is Chris in this week? Yeah. I'm in all week. So hopefully I see Chris.

But you're all week. Yeah. All right. 25. Yeah, okay. Yeah, my 21's New England. My 22's Denver. So we discuss both those.

My 23 is the Rams. 24. I can't believe you killed Stafford that bad. Okay. Seattle Seahawks. And this is my... more the, this is more the depth of the room. I guess I say really and I have him in 25.

Okay, yeah. So Sam Darnold coming off a strong year. And then the depth in that room, I mean, Jill Milroy was to my guy this year. A role of the day. Yeah, so good developmental player there. Okay. And then it was easy for me to round out the bottom. I actually worked on the bottom up, not the top down.

Do you want to finish from the bottom up? Yes. 32, New Orleans. Agree. Okay. 31, Cleveland. Pittsburgh. Okay, 30 was my Pittsburgh.

Okay. I at least think Rogers gives you like a fighting chance this year. Yeah, I think I had Cleveland at 28. Okay. Because at least there's a couple rolls of the dice on the rookie quarterbacks. And I think Joe Flacco is not even necessarily worse than Aaron Rogers. 20 or so 30 was Pittsburgh for me. 29 was Indianapolis.

Indianapolis was 27 for me, but I don't really feel strongly about that. So my 28 and 27, I was going back and forth between the jets and the Giants. I personally like Joe Fields, I'm sorry, Justin Fields more than... I think he should go by Joe Fields. Joe Fields was the quarterback at Syracuse when I was there. Joe Fields and Perry Patterson competed for the starting job that year. Then you get Broadway Joe. Yeah.

I like Joe Fields. Okay. I like Joe Fields better than Justin Fields. I think he should rebrand. So I'm, I still believe in Justin Fields, more so than the CHG O'Barre show does. So he's what? He's 28.

He's my 27. 28, I had the Giants. But I like the depth of the Giants room more. I should probably reverse that. So I'll go Giants 27. And I'll both have the Raiders at 26. Yes, the Raiders are 26. Yeah.

Sorry to Gino. If this was a one-year exercise, he would be much higher. Although not. Yeah, I'm not a Gino guy. Not that much higher. I'm not a Gino guy. I think he'd be about 15 for me. I'm a geno guy.

for a one-year deal. But yeah, he's also 34 years old. And you're not even going to mention Aiden O'Connell? I should have mentioned Aden O'Connell. Let's see who Chip Kelly is working with as their number three. I can't believe how quickly we got through the rest of the rankings. They have Cam Miller as the number three. Camillor from North Dakota State.

Camiller. I liked him. He was my guy. He was your guy. Yeah. Cam Miller guy. Oh, I should move him up in the rankings. All right.

What did you learn doing this exercise? What I learn is that, like, the, these quarterback ratings that people do, rankings? These people. Sorry, I should say these people. These quarterback ratings that you see, if J.1. Hertz is not in the top 10, like, what more do you need to see from this guy? Yeah, like, what more do you need to see from this guy? You know, are, are you that much of, like, a quarterback snob that, like, the, I do agree with that. What J-1 has demonstrated shouldn't matter.

I understand like Justin Herbert and if you want to have that conversation fine but you can't get to 10 quarterbacks but tell me what you can do on a Thursday night against the Los Angeles Raiders I mean that's what really matters so I think there's there should be a little respect to Jalen's name here

I think that's fair yeah but I also think the Eagles are probably happy about it don't you think oh sure exactly yes I think that the the bottom of the league is really bad at quarterback. You know, the fact that, like, I was able to identify, you know, usually you should have a hard time distinguishing between, like, 32 and 22.

You know, when we do, like, the coaching staff rankings sometimes, you can do that. It was very easy for me to pick the bottom five here. And so, but the hard part right now is that, like, 10 to 20 range. And, you know, I think there's a lot more discrepancy there. Okay. That's fun. Can I ask you a personal question? depends on how personal it is.

Man to man. Thinking a lot about this. Everyone's watching. I've done some work trying to figure this out, and I have not been able to get to the bottom of it. How do you make a turkey melt? How do I make a turkey melt? How does one make a turkey melt?

I don't know. It's very difficult. So I take a piece of bread. I use the George Foreman grill for everything. Really? Yeah, like for sandwiches. Yeah. Big George Foreman girl guy.

Sentimental to my youth. When I was in the, when I was my senior year of high school, we had to do like a how to presentation. And I did how to make a girl cheese on the George Farron group. And so. Interesting. Yeah. So I, but what I do is I take the bread.

I put tomato and lettuce and turkey and cheese. Interesting. You go tomato and lettuce on a turkey melt. Yes, you don't. Hmm. I don't like hot lettuce. Oh. Oh, it's part of the experience, yeah.

You don't like a sharp, you know, like I like these, like, you know, when I grill, I'll put the, I'll do the grilled remain. I don't mind that. I don't mind that. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, so that's how I'll do the turkey milk is that. But I need to.

Did you learn that yourself or did you have to look it up? I learned that myself. Wow. But I know humans were capable of such a thing. I need to put a piece of bread on the top. Or else it ruins the... Well, yeah. No, it ruins the George Foreman girl.

You can't just put... Yeah, exactly. You can't just put the top on the cheek on it. Yes. So... But no, like... What? You think of a...

of a toony milk or a turkey milk, and it doesn't have the top on it. It's open-faced. but the George former girl the George former girl makes that difficult okay so you can do the open face you can do the open face turkey melt if you do it in a pan

which some people like to do but I prefer the George former girl is easier to clean and so I am so yeah so I have to use but what I'll do and I hate wasting bread but what I'll do is this If you want the secret, I'll make it. Oh, I will make it with the bread on the top and then I'll take the bread off.

Really? So that it's the open face turkey melt. And then, but then as a treat, I have a little cheesy bread, right? So this is like the best of both worlds because you have your turkey melt and you have your cheesy bread. Now, admittedly, I do more of a tuna melt than a turkey melt. you're literally in tears right now. I don't know why this is so funny. Shea says,

if you tried an air fryer. I have an air fryer. My wife uses the air fryer more. I'm loyal to, I dance with the girl who brought me, okay? And that technology. And that is the George Foreman grill.

So a matter of fact, when my wife and girlfriend moved in with me, she actually threw out my George Foreman girl. And when we moved, and it was like one of the few, we haven't had a lot of like fights about stuff but the George Formigero I was like what is and and this this this probably had at that point like 12 years of grease and it's like stuck in disgusting grease tramp on that thing yeah but um yeah so I I typically make tuna melts

so I actually don't really make I make turkey sandwiches I don't call it a tur I like so I suppose that's a turkey melt I think of the melt as open-faced the the the the turn of you can't leave it up and face and put the thing down because you're really, is precisely the level of of dumb person

who needs to use AI to ask how to make a turkey mobile. It's gonna make a mess on my door for me grill. Like, I'm not saying it like that. I'm just trying to give the audience some feedback.

You didn't listen to all the shows last week. didn't listen to all the shows last again. Good for you. I'm actually happy. I'm proud of you for that. No, so that was one where, you know, I didn't listen through to all the shows last week. But that was, I did see in the comment, or you ended the show talking about the turkey. If someone has a good turkey melt recommendation.

Oh, that must have been the day after the actual conversation. Yeah, okay. Okay. Wow. That, I cannot believe how well that delivered. Look, I, I've, um, So I'm talking about my wife way too much in this episode, okay? But she has this joke with me sometimes.

Like, how did you exist before I got in your life? Yeah. And I was like, Emily, you don't realize I was very self-sufficient in that I had the George Foreman grill. I'll go to the grocery store. I would get the sandwich. I did the bread, the cheese, the deli meat or the tuna, the lettuce and the tomato. And that was a breakfast and a lunch. I'm sorry, that was a luncheon and dinner.

Breakfast was often grilled cheese. Grill cheese for breakfast. Oh, yeah. Great breakfast. People. On the George Foreman. On the George Foreman. The George Foreman, I had, when I lived in Charlottesville, Virginia, I had like a full working kitchen.

It was like the first time I lived on my own. I had a full working kitchen. All I used was a George Foreman grill. I mean, I think I, well, that's not true. I made pasta. so I would use, but I don't think I opened like the stove for any, I think I might have baked cookies one time, but yeah, I think that that's the extent of it.

I was using the George Foreman grill. And if you had your dredders, you'd still just be doing that. No, I mean, I've, first thing, I've since matured to a real grill. We have a grill, and I. But you still have the George Warrows. form and in rotation. For sandwiches, yes. I mean, the grill, you got to open it up and clean it, and it's like a whole production.

You got to go outside. Yeah, I'm not recommending making a sandwich on the grill. Yeah, so. But I grill frequently, especially this time of year. I put a podcast on. I set the, yeah, yeah, I love growing. That's like my, that's my contribution to the kitchen. It's your U-Time, too.

I suppose so. Although Reed wants to help me now. So it's not really a youth time. I was growing stakes last night and he wanted to do it with me. That's nice. Yeah. Sorry. So how quickly did you repurchase, like George Forme and Grill after Emily dastardly threw it away?

Oh, we put it on the wedding registry. Did you? Yes. That's very funny. Yeah, so I had to get back that. I had to get that again. What about the garbage can? Garbage can was there were, we had to, we had to buy the money.

You took the loss on that one. I took the loss on. on that one. People don't know that story. Haven't we told that before? We've done a show for six years together. They probably heard it at some point. Oh, is there a super chat?

I believe there is. A couple. Shart Gallery says petition to make it Peck Nest castrate all in favor. Not a bad idea. Claude Debussy says, tried to make a turkey sandwich without AI and burn my house down.

Please send help. Listen. you were not the first person that that's happened to. Thank God for AI. Otherwise, how else would we melt these turkeys? And I also think we have a super chat from Friday that we missed that I have to pull up here. I believe it was from CDP. Oh, this was a West Wing question, but something that you might not want to answer, if I remember correctly.

Okay. Thank you for your contribution to CDP. We'll get it another time. Oh, here it is. I think you probably don't want to answer that. Oh, I've never seen this in the chat. Would... Actually, this is interesting because...

The question is, would fictional president, Jed Bartlett, consider U.S. involvement in the current conflict between Israel and Iran? So I would actually tell CDP and anyone to watch the American president, which the West Wing was based off of the notes for the American president. And there was a scene in the early on when, when Andrew Shepard, he was the president in that movie. That's Michael Douglas character. And he's talking to his chief of staff who is, ironically, Martin Sheen, who became the president in the West Wing. And they were talking about, you know, a bombing that they did.

Now, so would he have done it? I mean, I don't want to get political here. but yeah, I do believe Jed Bartlett would have done that, yes. Would it would have done what? Well, I mean, look, if you, look, Jed Bartlett, uh, coordinated to the assassination of Abdul Sharif at the end of season three. So, um, Dharian, no, Abdul Sherep, I believe people know what I'm talking about here, if you're a

West Wing fan. So, yeah, I mean, actually, I'm going to stay away from this one here. There, there's a lot. I tried to get you to not answer this. Yeah. Anyways, big West Wing fan. Check it out. Great show.

Check out Zach's algorithm. If you can be able to acquire Zach's phone, there will be plenty of West Wing clips for you to watch on the YouTube app. All right. Good stuff. What a day. Good to have you back, my friend. Awesome to be back.

This is fun. We've got tomorrow, coaches? I don't know. We'll text. Should we rank backup quarterbacks? I think we covered the backup quarterbacks. Maybe that on Wednesday we can rank number three quarterbacks. We have enough shows.

So, yes. Yeah, we'll do some kind of ranking tomorrow. Actually, a call to the audience. If you have any ideas, so Beau, in addition to being the best host in the city, is incredible at planning the conceit of shows. I mean, this today was your idea. But I'm saying so. Don't sell yourself sure.

So I got three weeks after this week where I'm going to be in the host seat. It's a lot of pressure. I've got to come up with shows. So if you have any ideas, please send them along. Have you ever thought about taking questions from the audience, but doing it on a Wednesday? Like a midweek mailbag. You could call it that.

Yeah, I've thought of, I mean, look, we will get mailbags in there. I read the Reddit form for the Ringers Philly Special. And they, look, these are devoted fans. And they talk about the mailbag. it is, it's the greatest segment in the history of podcasting. And so I want to say we can incorporate a good

mailbag here too. So we will do that. We'll have either a midweek mailbag or a Monday mailbag. I think the midweek mailbag is better. Because Monday, you know, hot button show Monday. Yeah. So midweek mailbags.

There you go. Wow. Throwing the ringers fillies special the way under the bus. No, I love the ring for very special. No, no. Okay, that'll do it for this delightful episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast.

Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. Thank you to Andrew for making it happen behind the scenes. Thank you to the drips over here for keeping us on our toes. And we'll talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. As always, we love you.