PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Who has the most at stake for the Eagles in the NFL playoffs?

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Is Kevin Patullo coaching for his job? Is Jalen Carter playing for nine figures? EJ Smith and Bo Wulf go through the Eagles players and coaches with the most riding on the next couple weeks as the team enters the NFL playoffs this Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome the PHAWI Eagles podcast on a playoff Tuesday live from the Xfinity studio and presented by Bet 3, 6, 5, and Ashley Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. E.J., how the hell are you doing, my man? I'm doing well. You know, today, it's a great day in history, not maybe all history, but it's a great day for my personal history. Oh, right. This is when you and Julia started dating.

Yeah, this is me and my wife's dating anniversary. Started throwing ice cream scoops. We, you know, that's the only thing that I'm celebrating today of things that have happened on today. Well, it's been, January 6th, you know what that means. Time for a takeover at the Flyers game tonight. Hopefully you joined for the sweet takeover. By the way.

Hold on. didn't ask me a single question about me and my wife's dating anniversary 13 years almost we're getting close to half of our lives at this point i mean it's nice shout out to julia bow do you know you know we don't have a dating anniversary oh come on be a romantic be you know i am a romantic but there's no dating anniversary okay well how many years are you do you think it would be uh 18 years oh so you are no no you're not half your life yet Oh, I'm an old man. Half your life, I think, is going to be a nice milestone.

If I hope I get, hopefully I get there. Yeah, I'm saying like, we're closing in, probably three years from now. Do you have one, Lindsay? Yeah, but it's like two days before our wedding anniversary, so it just is like that. Like, we only do our wedding anniversary, like normal people. Okay. Special date. Special date.

Who asked who? Is this a, is this day celebrating a proper date, or was this when you asked her out? This is when I asked her out. And I mean, we were teenagers, so it was me. Yeah. And then our first date, our first actual date was at an Applebee's. Nice. But we had proclaimed it wasn't going to be our first date at the Applebee's.

So we went to Firebirds for our first date. So you went to the Applebee's, but you mutually agreed on your first date to say that this was not first date. Yeah, like the Applebee's is too informal. Julie and I were really good friends before we started dating and we used to go to Applebee's like all the time. So it couldn't it wasn't special enough. But those of you if you follow me on Instagram

there's a picture of like very young E.J. Like baby E.J. dressed up for that date. I mean, you know, I think the outfit's aged okay. It was definitely a loud shirt. Well, speaking of handsome, well-dressed men, E.J. Yeah, good segue. What do you make of Cliff Kingsbury getting the axe in Washington?

I was a little surprised but my first reaction was wondering if he would interest the Eagles in some way, shape, or form. Well, now the Eagles did interview him when they... Exactly. Hired Kellan Moore instead.

And there was a guy I was reading at some point forget his name, but he had reported that the Eagles were actually pretty close to hiring Cliff Kingsbury. But you actually not know? It's just that Kingsbury and the team were potentially at odds about the offensive line.

And maybe Kingsbury did not want to have Jeff Stoutland stick around. And so Jeffrey Lurie put his foot down there. Hmm. Do you actually not know who reported it or is this a bit? I feel like I could remember, but I just, the name escapes me. Okay. Got it. I mean, that is.

But shout out to that guy. Shout out to that guy. Yeah, I mean, if that is the sticking point, like, what are we doing here? But I don't know, I just like, I don't know, I feel like the circumstances have changed enough where I would be, I wouldn't say it's like a perfect fit. You know, the offense that Kingsbury likes to run and the offense that I think the Eagles need to run moving forward. So I don't know, it would be interesting. What do you think about the potential fit with the offense? Is this a joke?

Oh, this is from yesterday. Okay. Is this from yesterday? I'm trying to make it all. You're all over the place. No, I mean, just two years ago, you could talk yourself into Jalen Hertz being at the center of, like, a Kingsbury offense, a lot more than you can now. I think that's probably right. Yeah, which is something we'll probably talk about.

But I don't know. I feel like if you convince yourself that you are not going to have an offensive coordinator who can stick around for a long time because of the nature of the job and that maybe it's going to be a revolving door, like you could do worse as a one-year revolving door than Cliff Kingsbury, who tends to outstay his. welcome anyway. Yeah, and I've, I said on yesterday's show, and I actually listening back to yesterday's show, I was like, I think I'm going to have to bring that up again because I felt pretty good about this point. I don't think you need like a schemer necessarily in that offensive coordinator job because Nick Siriani is going to limit how much let, like, how much leeway you get as a schemer with the Eagles offense. And Jalen Hertz is going to as well. We've seen evidence of it. What you really need is like someone who is really committed to the art

of play calling. Yeah. To feel for games, adjusting in games. Maybe you talk yourself into Kingsbury there, but again, he's not really aligned with what they run. On the Nick is going to put the restraints on you as a schemer because I think there is a chance that this goes, if they lose this game, it goes the way of 2024, where Nick's power is stripped a little bit. Well, the 2023 season into 2024, where they bring in a guy. Two years ago, you take the full autonomy on the offensive side of the. Well, I think that's unlikely, but that's a good segue into what we're doing today, because maybe that's it, what is that actually what's at stake for Nick Siriani in this, in this postseason.

So what I brought to you today, I think we should, we should maybe draft. Do you want to draft them or do you just want to name? You have a draft. Let's, we can, yeah, we could draft. Let's draft. Yeah, we could draft. We're going to draft Eagles, coaches, players, executives, really, whoever you want. Fans?

Fans? Yes. I don't, I didn't have, I don't have, I don't have any hosts in here. Okay. Producers? with the most at stake in the next couple of weeks that hinge on, since we're going to open up the pool for so many different people,

hinge on the Eagles playoff success. Who has the most, as you said, the most to gain or the most to lose based off of how these next few weeks go for the Eagles? Your idea means you get to go first. Okay. I think Kevin Petullo... You're right. I am very magnanimous. Thank you very much. I think Kevin Petulah is the obvious first pick.

Okay. You know, I broke these into tears. Lova to Tupo. You know, I love a tear, so I have some tears. And I think potentially coaching, you do love a tier. Potentially coaching for their job. I think he's the only one in there. Now, maybe you could talk me into somebody else being in that tier,

but I think that he is alone in that tier. And I'm not saying that, like, Kevin Petullo's job hinges on this game. But I do think if the Eagles offense looks the way it has for most of the regular season in this matchup against the 49ers, that's going to be the big talking point on the other side of that game. You know, it's probably going to be similar to the Jeffrey Lurie, 23, 24 off season where it's like what's going to happen here but it's going to be for the offensive coordinator what do you think he could do to change the way that the fan base

thinks about him it's a good question um i don't know if they're i mean obviously like if the offense flips the switch in the playoffs so funny if they just all of a sudden they're running crazy fun stuff and like guys are running wide open yeah yeah I mean, yeah, okay, so let's say that this, I mean, it's like such a, by the way, unlikely scenario I'm about to lay out here. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. You finish. Such an unlikely scenario, but if the Eagles defense, you know, let's say the Eagles defense gives up 31.

So it seems impossible, but this is, I'm going to play this out for you. Eagle's offense, scores 28, and Jalen Hertz like misses a throw to an open receiver, like on a crossing route or something like that. Like, is that a okay, like Kevin Petullo finally figured it out, but the players let him down? down. Like, a scenario like that, listen, I know that this is like a, you know, nightmare fuel for Eagles fans, but a scenario where the Eagles offense plays really well, the 49ers offense has some, you know, positive moments against the Eagles defense, maybe, but really at that point, the conversation probably shifts to the only reason the Eagles were the three seat is because their offense couldn't, you know, string together productive play in the regular

season. I thought the biggest news of the day happened on Anthony Gargano's show this morning. yeah, I heard about this. When Baldi was on, Baldi said he doesn't think Lane Johnson's going to play this weekend. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think we've been pretty consistent about when we've talked about Lane that it's up in the air. Like, it's a significant injury.

It's remarkable that he's trying to play through it without getting the surgery. So, yeah, no, I did hear about that from this morning. Yikes. I mean, we'll see. I think there's a chance of practice this week maybe, but it's, it is a difficult thing to play through. I don't think that it was as a. dreaded Harley.

Definite as it seems. It can end the season. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. But especially, like, it's obvious that the Eagles felt good about his chances of eventually playing, but I think the fact that it's strung out this long speaks to how hard it is for him to play through it. My man, you know he's going to want to get out there.

Oh, if he could play, he'd play, yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Maybe Baldi's slow playing it. Yeah, I mean, there was a report from my former colleague, Jeff McLean, that Lane's going to be at practice this week. So we'll see if he's out there and how it looks and how he feels about it. Again, I think he's, he definitely has proven that if he can play through it, he will.

But that's why I didn't think Fred Johnson should have played left tackle on the regulation. They don't have anybody else. Yeah, they could have moved that prior to left tackle. I know it wouldn't have been ideal, but it wasn't ideal even with Fred at left. So, I don't know, I just, that game didn't matter as much as this one does. And now you might be leaning on a Fred Johnson that just spent a week at last. left tackle.

I really don't. I really don't think that's a big deal. I do. But it's going to be very funny. They lose this game on a big sack led up by Fred Johnson

and afterwards. I mean, that would be funny. Well, I was, I thought I was kick setting for the left side. I don't know if you could say it's funny, but no. I mean, I don't like to pull the

I'm around the players. I talk to the players, but these guys say it's a big deal switching from side to side. I take them at their word there. Yeah, I don't know. I think he'll be fine. Who's your first round?

Who's your first pick? Most it's Most at stake. Number one. The quarterback. Jalen Hertz, no doubt about it, as far as I'm concerned. Because, listen, the myth-making of Jailen Hertz, the reason to believe in Jailen Hertz is that this is a guy who saves his best stuff, performs his best when the lights are brightest.

And he was awesome in the Super Bowl. You know, there's people are throwing around their quarterback ranking. all this stuff, Jaylen's not in the top 15. He's just a guy made by the offense. But the truth is that he has been one of the better playoff performers over the past four years. And if he, all of a sudden, is electric in the postseason and especially against the Niners, he's running more,

which I do think it's a possibility. He's scrambling more. I think all of a sudden, we'll just go right back to, this is a big game player. The regular season is no. nothing but prologue for Jalen Hertz. The playoffs is all he cares about. It's funny you say that because, you know,

going into the playoffs, I've been reflective of, like, the Eagles last postseason run, and I've been thinking a lot about the story I wrote after the Super Bowl, like the moment that Jalen Hertz had, you know, walking out with the trophy, having Frankie Beverly, you know,

Joy and Payne, playing on those speakers, you know, they're happy feelings, sorry. It was happy feelings. I can't believe I messed up. So to think about where Jalen Hertz was after that game. and to think about how things have gone for him this season, the thing that stands out to me is actually something that he said a lot this season,

which is that success isn't linear, right? Because in my mind, when I saw him win that Super Bowl, I thought he's silenced the critics, he's silenced the doubters, he's proven that he is a quarterback you can win a Super Bowl with. He will not have to be, he won't be subjected to what he's been subjected to exactly what he's been subjected to this season. And so I do. I think that this is an opportunity for him to show that success may not be linear,

but success is, like, once you prove it, you've proven it. So, yeah, I mean, it is, it's just crazy to think about the last 12 months from Jalen Hertz. Like, to be a Super Bowl MVP, to have felt like you silence that side of, you know, the doubters and the critics, and to have them come back so quickly, you know, it is, it's, again, it's just crazy to think about. Also worth noting that this is probably the health. healthiest, Jalen Hertz, has been entering the playoffs in his career. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, I mean, he had, it was the, it was the finger last year, right? And then he had a knee that was exacerbated against the Rams. The year before, was it the ankle the year before? Yeah, it was the ankle the year before, and then the shoulder the year before that. So, no. And the year before that was, remember they lose in Tampa and he shows in the boot. Yeah. Yep.

One of my, like, just because of how, like, unexpected it was. Very funny. One of my favorite, not my favorite memories, but one of like the memories that stands out most from covering the team. Yeah. Like, yeah, like foremost memories. Right. This is the right way to phrase it. Like, yeah, just being like, oh.

He's got the boot. Yeah. So, yeah, no, he's healthy. I think that there is like a feeling that the quarterback run game is going to be a bigger part of the offense in the playoffs because it is, you know, now or never kind of like time to cut it loose. It's now or never. I'll believe it when I see it with the inclusion of. of the quarterback run game. I think it's important

and I think it makes sense to implement it. I think I believe it. Yeah. I think I don't need to see it. I think I believe it. But we're talking about degrees, I think. Yeah, I feel like we've heard it enough

this season, like that it's something that they wanted to get to. I think that, I think it's probably more matchup dependent than we sometimes like to think. But I do think that if they're going to do it, it's going to be now. It's the postseason. It's time to cut it loose.

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I'm going to go with Jalen Carter. I'm going with P.H.O.I. Because if you guys don't sign up for the diehard deal, there might not be a show tomorrow. Yeah, maybe it's me. Maybe I should have picked myself. I'm going Jalen Carter. We've talked about it on the show a few times this year.

But it just, the way that this regular season has gone for him has been anticlimactic based off of what we expected, mostly due to injury, I would say. But he hasn't quite been the star, the game record. You know, I've heard B.G. actually talk about Jalen Carter and the Aaron Donald comparisons that he is good enough to receive, but he hasn't been quite that productive, he hasn't been quite that player from a production standpoint.

I think especially like with the possibility, when the possibility that the Eagles were going to play the Rams was still something that we were, some would say it was actually the most likely of the scenarios. at one point. It wasn't. I was really thinking about how important, I mean, just reflecting on how important Jalen Carter was in that game and how it felt like during that postseason run, this was the moment

that he kind of took the crown as like the ultimate interior disruptor in the NFL. I still think that's on the table for him, especially as the postseason comes around. It seems like he's healthier. Obviously, he's got this hip injury now. Another week of rest, though. Yeah, we heard from him last week, and it sounds like it's not something that's going to be too much of a limiting factor. So, you know, if he has an impactful postseason run, he's right back at the top of that mountain.

And the reason I have him here is because I do. I think there's maybe it's not nine figures that are on the table for him, but probably eight. Eight figures, like in terms of an extension, I do think that the difference between being at the top of the defensive tackle market at that $30 million a year mark and being at the top of the defensive player market, which is probably closer to 40, you could talk yourself into that. really on the table for Jalen Carter over the next few weeks. I do think that just from a closing argument standpoint, there's no doubt that if he has a monster playoffs, nobody will remember that he had a little bit underwhelming regular season. Honestly, it almost is to use the term myth-making for him.

Like, it almost adds to the legend where it's like he was hurt all year, he had these shoulder procedures, he came back, he played through pain, and he wrecked the playoffs for the Eagles. I think that that would be, honestly, even, it probably reflects even better on him than, you know, given the way things have gone. Okay, that's a good one. I don't want to just focus on the guys

with a chance to really juice their contract numbers. Okay. But I'll give you one more. And that's Jalen Phillips. Yeah, he's my next one. Because, first of all, he just got to have his first buy week of the season. You know, he skipped his buy on the trade.

So he gets to sort of rejuice for the playoffs. And I think that he has been very good for the Eagles, but not as, like, whoa, as, like, the first two weeks were for him. I have a take on this, but go on. Okay, let's hear it. I think that Jalen Phillips might be, like, a perfect Vic Fangio edge rusher in that when you talk to Vic about disrupting the quarterback, he doesn't care as much about sack production. He always goes, like, you guys care about sacks, but he doesn't care about actual sacks.

and that is a departure like I remember Jonathan Gannon would always talk about like that being an explosive play for the defense I don't think Vic cares about sacks I actually think and this is really off brand for you

I think Vic cares about do you just affect the quarterback pressures not necessarily like the actual stat of pressure but when he watches the game are you making an impact on the quarterback and I feel like that's like Jalen Phillips's specialty

is like not finishing on the quarterback not actually not not I mean you guys have corrupted my mind EJ it's the playoffs they can't be committing penalties like that that's an easy 15 yards corrupted my mind so much because a month ago I would have just said that and kept going and I just I said it and I was like

one of these two is going to make me feel weird about that and I did it to myself okay um not how would you even go about doing that in the middle of a play That's an expression in my defense. It feels like it would take too long. The worst part about that is I did that 100% to myself. Like, I could have just kept going and hoped that nobody noticed,

but instead I stopped myself in my tracks. Not actually registering sacks. Not... I can't read it. It can only happen when there's a jerk route. not registering sacks not tackling the quarterback he maybe that's not as consistent with that like you know hasan redick we would talk about like he was good at actually getting to the quarterback forcing sacks or forcing um forcing like strip sacks right but with jalen phillips i think

he is a pressures guy at times he is somebody who affects the quarterback maybe the numbers don't always back it up but for that reason yeah i do think he's kind of perfect for Vic Fangio for what he values. Totally different kind of strip sack. It was a good point and I just walked right into it. I think your point is right that appreciating Jalen Phillips is about more than just sacks and as a pass rusher he has been affecting the quarterback. Yeah, I think that is, yeah, I agree.

And he's entered, we didn't come out and say it, but he is entering a contract. Right. He will be a free agent to soft season. And I don't know how much it'll matter. like this discrepancy, I think he probably will be highly sought after in free agency, even though his sack production maybe isn't as good as you would expect it to be. All right. Who do you got next?

I'm going again. Oh, you took Jalen Phillips. I just ended up waxing poetic about Jalen Phillips. In the spirit of not just going through guys who are going to get a payday, I'm probably going to go with Nick Sieriani. I think, I don't know if it's like there's that much for him to lose. now if they lose in the first round I do think it creates

some urgency next season for Nick as crazy as that would sound but we've seen it play out with Doug so I don't think it's unfair to say but I do think he has a lot to gain I mean back to back Super Bowls especially in the unorthodox unconventional way that they've gone about it this year

I do think that similar to Jalen there's an element where it would be like you can't question him as much after this now I'm sure that he will still be scrutinized and questioned because that's the nature of this business and especially in the city. But I do think, again, like there's a legitimacy that comes with being back-to-back champions, especially with how much he's won, where it's like the next time that we are watching an Eagles offense that prioritizes turnovers to the point where they don't

run, you know, exotic route concepts or they're not, you know, trying to score at the end of a half. It just gets a little bit harder to say, well, you know, it gets a little bit harder. It gets little bit harder to say when the guys won two Super Bowls in a row. So he's got something to gain there. Yeah. I don't know if it's like the most but again I didn't want to keep going through guys who are getting paid a lot. But I also think

if they lose in the first round yeah, people are going to be like this team underachieved. Yeah and I think that it does like I said I think it sets up urgency for next year and I think the fact that this is the organization that fired Doug Peterson two years after winning a Super Bowl you have your example right there.

Three years now. Three years. Apologies. That's okay. Vic was struggling with years today in his press conference. Was it? Yeah, he's talking about playing Kyle Shanahan, and he's like, I haven't played him in like a decade, and he's like 2018 or 2017.

And it's like, that's not a decade. It's close. It's close, closer now that we're in the new year. I'm going to give you one for this matchup specifically. And that is Jordan Davis. Yeah. in the sense of I know that the Niners

have not had a very good rushing game by the efficiency numbers but they're going to try to run the ball in this game and I was looking up we know that the Eagles obviously will play quote unquote light boxes more than most teams right? Yeah. So

true media first and second down six defenders in the box okay the Eagles have been in this situation against teams who run the ball way more than everybody else in the league. They've had 166 rushes against them

on first and second down with six men in the box this season. That's 35 more than the next team. So it's far and away the most. And yet they have the sixth best success rate on those plays. And that is the force multiplier. And to me that is because of Jordan Day.

I think there are two players that that is because of Jordan Davis. Zach Bond or Cooper DeGene? I think Cooper DeGine is the other one. I think there's three and I think it's those three. I think Bonn is obviously a big part. of that. Yeah.

But I think Jordan Davis is, I think you have labeled that correctly. Jordan Davis, that is the Jordan Davis effect, in my opinion. I think so. And I think if they're going to be able to adequately snuff out the Niners run game on first and second down in this game, I think it will be Jordan Davis having a monster performance that is unlike Jalen Carter, an accurate reflection of the awesome season that he has had. Yeah.

And obviously he's under contract for next season, but I do think if he has an emphatic, like you said, a closing argument in the postseason this year, do the Eagles say that price is only going to go up and up from there. And I do. I've had arguments about this with some of my former colleagues about whether or not you can pay Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. I think at the level Jordan Davis is playing and how important he is to the defense,

I think you pay those guys, you figure it out elsewhere. I think so, too. So I think that's a good one. Yeah, I was saying to Anthony this morning, I felt like last year, the story of, like, the person who was most pivotal, most pivotal on the defense for Vic being able to play the way he wanted, was Zach Bonn, because I think there was a little bit more of that changing fronts last year and what he was able to do, how versatile he was, was really the key to that. This year, I feel like Jordan Davis is the guy. And also, I think Cooper DeGine is probably the other guy in both seasons. Yeah, I agree.

It's funny because I was thinking, well, Jalen Carter is pretty important, but structurally, schematically. In terms of just keeping the structure the way he wants it. Yes, I agree. Zach Bonn. And it's funny because it's like we almost take it for granted now. Like last year when Zach Bonn was playing off ball and he'd walk down to the line and give him those five down fronts, it was like such a, like, man, like that's incredible that he can do that.

And now you kind of just are used to it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's take our next break on the other side. We will either continue doing this draft or talk about coordinators, and then we'll do the other one later. So that's a real tease.

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Let's talk coordinators. What did you hear from? Vic Fangio, Kevin Battulo, Michael Clay. So I think the most newsy thing was that Vic Fangio said he expects Nikobie to play against the 49ers. It's a really important development. if you consider how the 49ers play with Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle.

I'd say so. You want to be full strength at linebacker and that's not even accounting for how much motion the 49ers use and how that influences linebackers. It's funny like Vic kept saying like they don't, every motion has a purpose and it's like

yeah, like maybe say that, maybe let Nick Siriani and Kevin Petulo know that motion should have a purpose. So yeah, I thought that was interesting. I don't know. know if this is like, was a well-kept secret or something that most people already knew, but Vic Fangio said that he almost joined Kyle Shanahan staff in 2017, when Kyle Shanahan took the job

with the 49ers. Vic Fangio was the Bears defensive coordinator at that time. So, yeah, he said that they're friends, which I feel like if Vic says he's friends with you, like that actually is pretty high praise. Like, you know, he said that they don't talk very much, but they, they are friends. There's a mutual respect there. And then I thought that it was interesting. He said that Jalen Phillips's, like, appreciation for the opportunity that the Eagles gave him has been somewhat contagious, you know, like maybe made other players realize, like, what they, what, maybe not take for granted where the Eagles are. Hmm.

Okay. Shout out to Lindsay. Linzby. Yeah, Lindsay. Yeah, Lindsay, getting a quick bathroom break in during the, during the Addery. It's very quick. Yeah. What?

I was going to ask, did you wash her hands? Oh, they're still wet. Look at that. Of course she washed her hands. I mean, I knew that. She's not a heathen. I suspected she did, but, you know, it was an urgent. There's urgency there.

If she's not back. I would never ask you that. If she's not back by the time the ads are off, then we're just sitting here muted. It's not great. I mean, could you. I don't think that's, like, ever an option. I'd rather be late than not wash my hands. We could have managed for a few minutes in silence, too.

I would say so. Yeah. It wouldn't go back to the camera, though. So it would just be on the All-City thing. I feel like. Shout out to our production staff. I mean, I don't even know what's going on back there. It seems like a lot.

I can't believe you would even, you would even think for a second that Lindsay wouldn't wash your hands. How dare you? I mean, I thought it was what everybody was thinking. How dare you. Fran said not to mention what's he going to say no. I was not going to admit it.

Sorry. I didn't hear what Lindsay said. Fran says, not to mention what's Lindsay going to say no? Yeah, that's a good point. Like, yeah, that's true. Speaking of hands. Hey. I'm down to one Band-Aid.

Nice. I don't want to show it off too much because, I mean, it still probably doesn't look the prettiest. Anthony Harris no longer. Yeah, shout out to, I guess I can shout out the place I went, right? Temple Burn Unit. Oh, DBU. This might be too grisly to share.

I don't know. But, like, they needed to, like, nah, I won't share. It's not. Too late now. No, it's, I don't think it's nice podcasting. They had to, like, remove skin. Okay. Yeah, that's all I'll say.

But it didn't hurt. It was just weird. It was, like, freaky. Like a bris? That's what I was thinking. That's how a lot of people come into the world. You guys, man. Again, you've corrupted my mind.

I didn't think there was anything weird about that. But, yeah, no, they said I took good care of it. And they said, I don't need to wear the wraps. anymore. Good for you. Yeah. All right. What about Kevin Petulow?

Kevin Petulow said that the 49ers litany of injuries on defense does not necessarily mean that you chase match-up advantages. Yeah. I mean, okay. He said you don't want to like get outside of yourself trying to chase matchup advantages. So I found that interesting. But I think you can say, okay, let's take advantage of their linebackers, not like, let's circle this guy and just try to get him.

but like, I don't know, they're linebackers, they're on like linebackers, seven and eight. Yeah, I think that- Let's design something to exploit that group. Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I think the message that he was trying to get across is that, you know, sometimes like trying to exploit a single player, especially in the middle of the defense, it's like a structural thing,

and it's not as simple as saying, like, let's just try to isolate that player. Now, that's not to say that they won't do it, but he did kind of pump the brakes. the way the question was framed is like how do you balance doing what you do while also trying to take advantage of matchups and he said that you know you don't want to get outside of your system and what you like to do

he really harped on the Eagles offense doing whatever they need to do to win games week to week and that that's what they'll continue to do moving forward to me that really reinforces like something we've talked about a lot on the show which is that it feels like every week this Eagles offense it's like trying on a new

identity and trying on like a new you know way to operate there's not a through line through each week where it's so it's like okay this is what they do well and this is what they're trying to accomplish i don't know if that inspires a lot of confidence that like this is like the way that it's present it's been presented is whatever it takes to win that week whatever it's going to take is what we're going to do i don't know i think that they're like i said i've said before it feels like there's a high margin of error when you are like really leaning on the coaching staff getting it right every week, like getting it right what they need to do.

You know, we've seen examples where that's really backfired. Hey, Derek, we're trying to do a show in here. Just a real nose off of there. You know, Bodner. He's always talking up a storm. Nobody speaks louder than that guy. I don't know if that's true. Of course it's not true.

That's what to say. It's coming from you. It's typical for him to be yelling all over there. I don't know if that was him yelling. It was. Oh. Probably the mice. I was locked in, so I didn't even hear it.

Okay. That's a good tease. Anything from Michael Clay? Quick ones, you know, confidence in Jake Elliott going into the playoffs. He's really harping on like, it's hard to kick in the Northeast. Jake will be fine. And the 49-year-s return game presents real challenges. So, yep, that's what I had from Michael Clay.

We are going to get really into the weeds. Oh, I have one more thing. Okay. What are you going to get in the weeds on? No, I'm just saying we're going to get heavy matchup stuff tomorrow. Niners offense against Eagles defense tomorrow, four-hander, plus Mina Kimes joins the show. Then on Thursday we do the other side of the ball. So getting really deep into all the matchups that you need to know.

Go ahead. Yeah, I agree. I'm excited to hear some of those conversations. Well, I guess I'll be a part of them. I'm excited to be a part of some of those conversations. One thing I found really interesting from Kevin Petula's Presser is that he mentioned, the structure of the play calling when talking about

why they were so much better managing the play clock we talked about on yesterday's show that they were not as consistently late getting to the line and getting the snap off and I was wondering if it's you know to do with I think our hunch

from yesterday is true which is that you know there were less there was less pointing as we both said on yesterday's show less pointing less pointing less moving parts and I think it's probably a reflection of the fact that it was the second team offense and they have less installed and less experience calling picking out different defenses picking up different tells but yeah I did find it interesting that Kevin

Patullo said that there was also some structure of the play calling that influenced it there I'm not sure if that is like easier stuff yeah I think it's probably like variables at the line of scrimmage yeah when he first said it I was wondering if it was maybe, like, actual verbiage, like making it simpler. But I think it probably is more to do with when you've got Jalen Hertz and Cam Juergens and Landon Dickerson and, you know, your full complement of wide receivers out there,

there are more complex calls that you get into, whether it's double plays or checks at the line. And I think against the commanders, they simplified it. And it's just like everybody's on the same page because you run the play, you call in the huddle. So I think it was probably just less to sort out at the line of scrimmage. Gotcha.

Which isn't necessarily confident-inspiring either because it means that that isn't something that they'll really carry into the playoffs. I guess you could say. Yeah, I mean, they're going to be, spoiler alert, they're going to be late to the line and it's going to be hiking the ball with one second left. The fact that they did better against the commanders,

you know, I just, to close the loop on it, it's not, that might have been a one-week thing because of the backups, not something that they figure it out in week 18. Gotcha. Yeah. All right, before we get to break, Lindsay's got a worthy teammates for us.

Yes. Were they teammates? Were they not? Were they teammates? How about that? Deion Sanders and Ed Reed? Deion Sanders and Ed Reed. It feels like there's no way, but that sometimes is how she gets you.

I'm gonna say yes, they played together on the Ravens. I'm gonna guess yes too because I just feel like... I'm pretty sure Dion was on that really good Ravens team. Mm, two years. Wow. Bernie Kosar and Troy Aikman. has to be a yes because why else would you be throwing in Bernie Kossar on us? I'm going to go

yes. Yes, in 1993. It's way harder to find ones that they don't, but you would think they did. Yeah, that is tough. We should put you in charge of these. You'd be good at these. I don't need that. You need more work.

Thank you very much. That's fair. Point taken. Oh, like Fran got it wrong. What's that? Fran got it wrong. Oh, Fran got it wrong. Not a ball nowhere. Too bad.

You think a guy knows ball. He's trained of all his turkeys for a swooper this week. For getting that wrong. He was bilked. All right. Last break. Come back on the other side. Let's put the finishing touches on this draft.

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emphatic playoff performance sunset, hit free agency, and cash in. I don't know if it'll be with the Eagles, but yeah, no, I think that he has something to gain. Again, I think I am usually pretty grounded with, like, what do people have to gain money? Is usually where I go with this, and I think that he is at the top of that list. I don't know that I necessarily agree that, like, Dallas Goddard's market is going to change that much based on his playoff performance. Yeah, let's see, like, what, is there like a tear break, a tier skip in the tight end market here? So, tight ends? Like, the top of the market is between 16 and 19 million a year, and then it drops down to like 13 million to 11?

It's going to be 32, 30, like, you know, Kyle Pitts will probably be the highest paid tight end in free agency. And then it's, I mean, it's probably going to be him next, I guess. I guess in Joku, potentially. So you're probably looking at like that Hawkinson, 16.5, those guys are older. Chigo Conquo? Like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe not

a Jalen Carter level amount of a swing here, but there's money to be made. I think the biggest thing for him is just to stay healthy. Yeah, okay, but I also think is there, okay, let me pivot. Is there an Eagles legacy anchor here for Dallas Goddard as well?

You know, can he enter, like the Zachert's level of Eagles great with a postseason, with like not just a postseason run, but him playing very well in the postseason run. Yeah, maybe. All right, I stuck to land. You had a great moment in the Packers game last year. Yeah, the stiff arms.

Yeah, that was great. Plural. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to give you a, how do we really feel about this guy one? Okay. And that is Landon Dicker.

So, okay, Lennon Dickerson has had a down year, but everybody acknowledges that this is probably because he's been dealing with injury. He had that little blip in the early second half of the season where it did look like he had sort of regained his power and was really moving people, and then it felt like that dropped down a level again. He got the week off. Is that enough to sustain him for the next month for him to look like, you know, all pro, pro bowl, caliber,

Landon Dickerson, people mover. Or, if not, you know, moving forward, are we going to feel as good about the offensive line if both he and Cam Juergens are kind of question marks in terms of playing up to the level of expectation? Yeah, I think it is a little bit.

I may, maybe not unfair, but, like, I think you have to set expectations. A week off for the injuries these guys are dealing with is probably not quite enough. to really make a meaningful difference. You know, it's like, I mean, Lannon's dealt with the knee, he's had an ankle, he's had a calf,

he's had a back injury. Like, he's had a lot of injuries this season. But I do think it's a fair point that if he does look this way at the end of the season, you have to ask yourself, you know, I was just looking up like Brandon Brooks's ages

toward the end of his career when the injury started to really creep in for him because I do think, like, I don't know when they drafted him, you probably thought if they could get four or five good years out of Landon Dickerson, you'd feel pretty good about that because of his injury history. Now, he's played through everything,

and he's been more resilient than I think people would even, we even have expected from him. But no, I think that that's fair. I think that there's something, maybe not so much to gain or lose in terms of, like, stature, but just in terms of, like, how the Eagles are going to feel about it. I think that's right. I think you're right.

Yeah. Okay. Over to you. I'm going to go with. I've got two more I'm willing to draft. Okay. Three, but really two. I'm going to stay in my leg.

legacy stakes here. You know, I like some of these legacy stories. I think Vic Fangio is an interesting one. Not that he has much to lose, but I think for him, he has, he's even talked before about you don't get opportunities like this as often as you think is even for a coach like him who is, you know, as widely respected as he is. So, yeah, I think two-time Super Bowl champion Vic Fangio has, I think he will think it has a better ring to it so um yeah i think he's got something to gain especially because of like

the way that the eagles defense has played the last few years and how much philadelphia loves a defensive coordinator that brings perennial winning i do think he has a lot to gain in this city that he already has so much love for like it will be reciprocated uh as the years go on i think that's a good one i don't know that i think that there's much downside i think even if they have a bad game people are not going to blame vick yeah we're at the bottom of the the board here. Yeah. Okay. One of, I wanted to say with Lennon Dickerson, something I've been thinking about with the interior offensive line injuries really quick, not to derail us here, but I think, I've been thinking, like, have we given enough thought to not just like the production

in the run game being tied to these guys being injured and less mobile and less capable of filling the jobs they used to? But I just, I've heard enough people talk about like Jeff Stoutland and like, oh, is he doing enough? Like, you know, like, what's Jeff Stoutland's role in all this? He's been so good for so long and for the record like i think jeff stoutland he's he's proven you know i don't think it's i think like yeah i think pump the brakes on questioning a coach that has done as much as stephen and i think that maybe something we haven't thought about as much is like do they have access to all the the different calls is the menu paired down yes because because those guys jurgans and landon dickland dickerson are not as mobile obviously less bowen said a couple months ago

like landin is out there running like less bowen you know i think like there is a valid question as to like do they have the flexibility in the run game because that's what stood out last year you know like that they could do the gap scheme runs they could do the inside zone stuff they had a lot of uh they had a very broad menu of runs that they could get to i do wonder if those guys being banged up like maybe we we talk a lot about how it affects the actual blocking but it might affect the scheme too okay i think that's i think that's an interesting hypothesis just thinking about the eagles a lot these days okay I'll give you a legacy one

Yeah Jake Elliott Okay People are all ready To just bag on Jake Elliott right now Missed a couple kicks That's important But if he's a playoff nails again

Put that stuff to the side And if he has Missing a big spot People are going to be saying Do you need to move on This office is And I actually think they probably can't For another year

Or likely wouldn't But yeah I think I think Jake Elliott is Probably would have gone earlier if you were just talking about the vacillation that could happen depending on his playoff performance in terms of his

standing with the fan base. I agree. There's a bigger range for Jake Elliott that I think is well put there. The only thing I have to add to that is like if he performs well in the postseason he becomes even closer to like the David Acres legend and I might be overstating David Acres legend. Oh I think that Jake Elliott is already surpassed David Acres. Well you're talking to somebody who had a signed picture of David Acres

in his room from age like seven to age. 2018. 2024 Osprey's presenter, David Acres. Yeah. Yeah. I liked David Acres as a kid. I got nothing against David Acres. I would, but I think that Jake Elliott is probably given the fact that it's...

Super Bowl winning. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. Alright, who's your last one? I don't have very much bias on the show, but I just admitted it. I'm biased on David Acres.

Okay. My last one... I don't love anybody left on the board. left on the board for the record. You told me, you're the one who said you're like 14 guys. I have a lot, but I don't think any of them are like, you know, slam dunks. I'm going to go Christian Parker slash Clinton Hart. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, if they go on a run, it's even less likely. Although you could make an argument. Yeah, you could on that going on a run could be bad for these guys. Christian Parker is incentivized for them to lose in the second round. Yeah. He's like, I can already get interviews. I don't need any more success here.

I just need an opportunity to. to interview there, but no, I think those defensive guys, especially you see, you know, as defensive coordinators get fired across the division and across the league, you think that some of these guys are going to get looks for sure. All right. San Juan Barclay, does he do anything for you? Yeah, I mean, you could make the case that if he has a monster. There's upside.

There's upside. There's a lot of downside. I think there's a lot of upside. A.J. Brown. I have a different A.J. I'm going to close this draft by putting the spotlight on a running back named A.J. Dylan. Why?

Because AJ Dylan. Why is right. This season ends. I think most of Philadelphia is going to be thinking, why was this guy here the whole time? So unless he has a playoff moment and comes up big, which explains why the franchise has left this guy as just a.

a hardening turd on the end of the roster. Oh, no. Come on. Then what was the point? This is why they don't win the Super Bowl. That's what everybody's thinking. So you want to talk about upside. Let's see A.J. Dillon do something in the playoffs. That's not just buy something at Lowe's and put it in the locker room.

Do you know if it was Lowe's? No. Okay. I was insane. I could try and find that out. I mean, I'm glad you got that off your chest. I respect your commitment to the bit. Or if one of the guys who had to play last week gets injured this week,

you know? That guy. Howie Rosam needs to answer for this. We'll talk to Howie. When? If they make it to the Super Bowl, we'll talk to him then. If not. The Combine.

I mean, yeah, probably the Combine. Well, there's this end of season. Press Conference, yeah. Right, yeah, the end of season press conference. That's what I'd say usually talks. I would love to kick off the end of season press conference with Howie. Why was A.J. Dillon on the roster all season long. Might be one to say for owners meetings.

He will look at you like, you're insane. We all want to know. Do we all want to know? Everyone with a right head on their shoulders. The sickos want to know. Yeah. That's all the matters. Mark is right

Lasted too long Should have been number one overall I love the court jester In the chat says here we go Right as you literally right as you said AJ Dylan It's like Buckle up

If you think that's the last We're gonna hear from AJ Dylan this week I think you're probably mistaken Okay You're from or about AJ Dylan Either We should get him on the show He should get him on the show

Let him defend himself Speaking of guys who are celebrating today's anniversary. He's a big fan of me and Julia. He just loves love. Loves you guys. Big ice cream fan. Loves love, loves ice cream. Big vanilla guy.

I got nothing to say. Pink and vanilla guys. Jesus. Oh, man. Lindsay, did you have anybody on your board that got unselected? No, I did not. I didn't put much thought into this. Lindsay was busy.

Yeah, holding in that pee I meant earlier She was probably busy Yeah Well, I had a busy day We have It's a big week Big week

You're gonna be writing anything this week I am Yeah, I'm gonna write I'm gonna help I'm gonna hopefully have something up By tomorrow afternoon Hopefully tomorrow morning So now that I said it

It'll be tomorrow morning And then Put yourself on the clock Something later in the week Yeah Working on some stuff It's the playoffs All eyes are on the team

team, you got to bring it. And that's what we're trying to do here on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Emphasis on P. Emphasis on P. The floor is a mess. No. The floor is fine. You know what's at stake?

Lindsay time. Oh, did we start early today? No, we started at exactly 2 o'clock. Oh. Look at us. These clocks are not synced. our cycles aren't synced yet guys yeah give it time gotta work on it

Lindsay do you notice in your house that people get worse sleep when it's a full moon sorry oh a double bovertime oh see people have been waiting for double overtime yeah say it again do you notice this thing about like sleep getting worse

in a when you have kids I didn't even know that there is a full moon. It's like a whole thing. Well, it's brighter outside. This is like a whole thing, especially women get worse sleep when it's a full moon. It's a true thing. I don't find that.

You know, women. I don't find that for myself. To answer your comment, E.J., about it being brighter, you just have, like, we have blackout curtains in their room, so that wouldn't matter. No, I've got blackout curtains, but if you didn't, would the full moon influence that, maybe? I don't know how it all works But Somebody out there

Now that we're talking about sleep quality Somebody out there needs to help me Because I've been trying to wake up at 7 a.m. That's one of my New Year's resolutions Is to be up every day A little bit earlier So that I can get stuff done Before the day really gets going

And I can't wake up at 7 I can wake up at 6.30 I can wake up at like 8 But 7 a.m. for some reason It just like kills me like I cannot like keep my eyes open so someone who understands sleep better than me if they can help me figure this out

I would appreciate it I feel like we answered this yesterday yeah like you have to adjust your bedtime should you think I need incremental changes I feel like you ripped a band-aid off and you just want to adjust I don't know and for the people who are saying they wish they could

like sleep in until 7 a.m., I respect people who wake up early I just that's not me I wish I could get up at nine. Yeah. If I were you, I'd be sleeping until nine. Yeah, the no-kids lifestyle. I mean, I feed the dogs at 8.30.

It's pretty much the only thing before actual work starts. But no, I'm trying to be more productive. I don't think I could do 5.30. But maybe I'll start just trying to do 6.30. 5.30, you're showing off. It's like. You're like the rising grind people. You know, come on.

My husband gets up it. leaves at 5.30 every day. He works out before school, is that right? A big workout flex. That is impressive. No, I think it's crazy. I mean, he works out all day. He, like, has to work out, and then he, I guess he doesn't really work out.

I mean, he's a different type of workout. You think he's doing bench pressing the kids? I mean, maybe. That's why he's teacher of the year. Yeah, teacher of the year. I know. He's not doing that. He's not getting that from juggling eight-year-olds?

He's not getting teacher of the year. They're high schoolers, but. They're high schoolers, but. Okay. So he's not bench pressing. No, that's even more impressive. There was a time of my life

where I could have bench pressed like a small teenager. He, like, they have like choice for Zed now so they can kind of pick like what kind like they want to do like team sports or like so there's like a yoga. It's called like wellness and something.

So he teaches a couple of those. So he does yoga. Like he like literally is like a yoga teacher for like a couple periods. That's great. Yoga's. So he's active. Yoga is great.

We did a lot of baseball yoga. Because my head coach's wife was a yoga instructor. I mean, it's great for you. I did a lot of yoga in high school. The deep breathing exercises, meditative stuff. And it's just a good workout. Yeah, I agree. Very solid.

I want Fran to chime in the chat and tell us what time he wakes up. What time you think Franz gets up? It seems like he's hinting that he wakes up at 545. I wasn't sure if there was like a joke about 545. Like if this is like a 41 scenario. Like at what time do you go to the den? This, 2.30. 2.30.

Yeah. Fran's not above. One of the great jokes. What time were you waking up when you didn't have kids to wake you up? Naturally or, like, forcing myself. Like, whatever your normal was. Probably 7.30. If I could sleep in just actually on my own time, I would be sleeping until 9 o'clock.

Those days are long gone. But I'd be up until 2 in the morning. Yeah, I'm like a midnight to 8, but now I'm a... I'm trying to be an 11 to 7 guy, and it's killing me. Fran does say 545. Maybe I'll try 545 with Fran. It's working for him. Are you like a one alarm?

DJ? Two alarm. Do you have to put an alarm across the room? So Tuesday mornings, I'm a two alarm guy. I am a, well, if I'm traveling, if I have to get up for a flight, I am like a three alarm that they go off like every two minutes. But regularly, I'm usually either a one snooze and done, or no snooze, like the alarm's off, I'm up.

But of course I married, throw my wife under the bus here, I married someone who is like a chronic snoozer. Now, Julia gets up early because she works like long shifts at the hospital. Well, she has to go save babies lives. Yeah, but I'm just saying, you can't get with a couple alarms. I mean, but it's like the one alarm should be enough to get you up if you have to go save babies at the hospital.

I'm on your side because my husband's the same. It's like four alarms. It feels like. Yes. It feels like you never marry someone that's compatible to you there. It always has to be on both sides of it. It's usually both sides, yeah. Yeah, like somebody is a chronic snoozer and the other one is one alarm and up person.

But do you always go like loud alarm? So you're just waking up your spouse? See? Now, I know your stance on this because I've heard you talk about it before. I will use an Apple Watch alarm if I am the first one up. I'm very rarely the first one up because, again, my wife has a 7 a.m. shift at the hospital. Yeah. She's not an Apple Watch girl.

She's a loud alarm girl. She's the head boss, yeah. So if this were the other way around, you'd be ripping me, which is fine. I'm not going to rip Julia on this either. No, I think she deserves to carry the big stick. I would agree with that. Yeah. I mean, I don't actually complain about it, but no, I knew if it were the other way around, it wouldn't work.

But I think that's probably just a commentary on my relationship. Shout out to Julia I try to go with a vibrate alarm You heard it But that's not effective enough You're not gonna Yeah that's right

I set my vibrator to wake me up in the morning That's exactly how I wake up I like that your defense mechanism We should just make it even weird But usually too Did you see France chat friends calling me out for sleeping in on the road

oh man well I appreciate this insight I may be 545 is early but I don't know did Fran say that's when he was waking up before he had kids he's a football guy he's always getting up early rise and grind kind of guy's to do

he's doing guys at 6 a.m. Yeah respect indefatigable all right well that was that was helpful all right that'll do it for the p hl my eagles podcast stay tuned tomorrow big show probably going to be a long one ej fran the professor mina kimes getting really into the good side of the matchup for this game on sunday niners offense eagles defense are we going to be talking about the death unit that awesome 21 personnel that nanos can put together?

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