PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Who is Declan Doyle? Eagles OC search adds another up-and-coming candidate

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

With the Eagles offensive coordinator search beginning to drag on, Bo Wulf and EJ Smith take a look at Declan Doyle, the latest candidate added to the field. They also look back on the Eagles season to determine which players changed the perception around them most significantly and unpack other Eagles news items as well. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Thursday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bed 365 and Ashley Bowulf, E.J. Smith. We've got a lot coming your way. We're going to talk to Adam Hogue from Chicago, get some insight on Declan Doyle, the young mystery man, who the Eagles are reportedly requesting an interview from. We're going to talk about the players who have changed our opinion the most about them. over the course of the most recent Eagles season for the good, for the bad, all of that stuff. But let's start EJ with What's Brewing

presented by our friends at Wawa. Don't forget about that deal at Wawa, $5 for any sizzly, any coffee, hot or iced, and a hash brown for just $5 from 5 to 11 a.m. But what's brewing here is some breaking news right before the show about a potential

departure from the Eagles coaching staff. Yeah. So the Cowboys are working to hire Christian Parker, the Eagle Secondary Coach, as their next defensive coordinator, according to Ian Rappaport. So I think we always knew that Christian Parker was probably not long for his role as secondary coach for the Eagles because of how important he's been in that job. You know, he, if you talk to Quinion Mitchell or Cooper to Gene or really anybody in the Eagle secondary, they will talk about how important he has been for their development.

from a technical standpoint, you know, improving technique. But also, you know, you think about how often we talk about how the Eagle Secondary works as a group and how they really understand the scheme on such a deep level. Christian Parker is a humongous part of that. You know, I've seen him pulled, you know, Quinionette Mitchell, Cooper to Gene off to the side during special teams periods and they go over things. I've talked to him. I've talked to Quinnian Mitchell about like the text chain that they have where they go over

different coverages and really like the liberty that he that quinion mitchell can take in some of those coverages so uh no i think it is it's a massive loss you know the fact that the eagles have two young all pros i think christian parker is you know high on the list of the reasons why those guys have developed so quickly yeah listen we we do you do not always know who is going to turn on to be a good coordinator uh from position coach or who from coordinator is going to turn out to be a head coach they're they're different jobs i think this is if if if it is how I think it's going to play out. This is a major loss for the Eagles,

not only because they're losing one of their best position coaches, but because someone who I think is probably going to be a good defensive coordinator is coming into the division. Absolutely, yeah, and someone with an intimate knowledge of the team as well. So, yeah, I think the Cowboys, there's a real irony that they hired Christian Parker

over Jonathan Gannon in a sense. I mean, they interviewed Jonathan Gannon for the job. True, yeah. But I think that's reflective and honestly, well earned, given what Christian Parker has done in the last few years with the Eagles. I mean, again, being around the building, I did a story on Christian Parker two years ago about how he was this, I would say, relative unknown. I mean, he was respected in coaching circles and considered an up-and-coming, you know,

assistant coach, obviously, you know, he worked with Jaya Alexander with the Green Bay Packers as well. But at the time when the Eagles hired him, like, you know, it was kind of like, this guy collects Jordans, he collects watches, and he's younger than Darius Slay. That was always the thing that people make fun of him for, younger than Slay. But, you know, he really did come into his own here. And again, I think it's well, I think it is a well-earned promotion for him. And probably honestly, I would go so far as saying a year later than most people would have expected. Potentially.

Yeah. I think, I think obviously the Super Bowl run was part of that. I, again, we're not in the rooms with these guys. But you hear really good things about him. The things that we are able to see are impressive. You know, he has a really good presence about him. Even when he's talking scheme or when he's talking technique, like the attention to detail is awesome.

The way that he talked about Quinnion, Mitchell last off season about like he can be one of the great ones and like that he has what it takes to do that. I mean, even just looking at his track record, it's not necessarily like this is someone who was just like hot-shotted because they worked with Vic Fangio or, you know, we're going to get to Declan Doyle. It's not like this is a guy who's like,

preter naturally ahead of his time. It's like he's put in the work at every stop, has impressed at every stop, and then taken the next, like, sensible step, right? Like two years, starts his career, Virginia State, defensive backs coach, then two years at Norfolk State, then he goes to, you know,

because what's the next step? Okay, go to a big time college and get your foot in the door there. It goes to Notre Dame for one year as a defensive analyst, goes from Notre Dame to Texas A&M. Okay, what's the next step? Let's see if he's got the chops for the league.

Two years as defensive quality control coach for the Packers. What's the next step? Get a room to yourself. Two years as defensive back or three years as D-Backs coach in Denver. Yeah, what's the next step? Go back with Vic and also become a passing game defensive coordinator as well. Does that. And it's like he's checked all the boxes along the way.

Yeah, I think very highly of Christian Parker. Yeah, absolutely. And I was remiss to not forget, but not mention his time with Pat Sertan. You know, and I talked to Pat Sartan for the story, and Pat Sartan credited him for the work that they did together again. It's the technique and then the understanding of the scheme that really stood out when I did that story. All right. So now the question is, where does that leave the Eagles in terms of filling that void on the coaching staff? Yeah, it'll be interesting.

I think Eagles fans should brush up on Joe Casper. He's been the Eagles' safeties coach the last two seasons. He started as a defensive quality control coach actually a few, I think it was 2021. and was hired away by Vic in 2023 as part of Vick's staff in Miami, where he was also the safety's coach. So because those guys have worked closely together in the last few years, it would make sense. Eagles fans may be familiar with Joe Casper as well,

because he is the guy, if you've ever seen the clips of players tackling a coach, that's Joe Casper. Young and fit enough to handle that responsibility. Yeah, but he's small. He's not a huge guy, though. I mean, he's generously six feet tall, sub 200 pounds, and I know these things, not to keep sounding like a broken record here,

but because I did a story on that too. Okay. And yeah, no, he did said to me during the story that if he gets tackled into a pad with a player using proper tackling technique, it doesn't hurt to get tackled by these guys.

But I don't think, I mean, listen, still credit to him for putting in something in the line there. I have another Joe Casper take for you. Yeah. Good arm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, we see the warmups a lot. So you're right. He's, I don't think he's number one on the list. No,

not number one, but, you know, pound for pound, you know, he's, this is not a guy who's a former quarterback like some of the other guys who are throwing balls. I think Joe Casper does a nice and throws a nice ball. I would agree with that. I think Michael Clay is probably number one on my list, especially because he's passing. Interesting. I would say he's ambidextrous too. Yeah. Michael, Michael Clay will knock your socks off when he's just dribbling a soccer ball. First touches. I mean, silky first touch. Don't doubt about that. But I wouldn't, I don't know that I would go Michael Clay is the best arm on the coaching staff. I'm giving him a lot of credit for being ambidextrous here.

Yeah. But no, I think Joe Casper would make sense. I mean, I think he'll have opportunities elsewhere too. You know, that's going to be important to keep in mind, especially as Christian Parker builds out of staff. Yeah, you wonder what that will look like. Yeah. So I think he'll have opportunities.

But because he's been in the building, again, being around these guys, you hear a lot of good things about Joe Casper as well. So I think it would make sense if he stepped into that secondary's role. But yeah, I think we'll have to see all plays out. The Eagles also have Roy Anderson, who was the siloed as the cornerbacks coach this here. So it is a situation where, I mean, they were preparing for this inevitability, right? So they probably have some kind of succession plan in place. Maybe it's Casper takes over as secondary guy, but Roy Anderson still has the corners. I don't know exactly how that will work.

Yeah, I've got one other funny Joe Casper story. You know, as a reporter who likes to tell good stories, find good features. I watched a couple of his interviews with the Dolphins when he was a safety's coach there. And he did this thing called the turnover cake, where if, like you forced a turnover the following week, you'd bring a cake in for you. And I was like, this is such a good story. What? I thought we were trying to stay away from cake today. Oh, yeah. This is nothing to do. I'm not saying anything about the flavor of the cake, what we call the cake. He did the turnover cake. Yeah, but now no one can trust you to tell the truth about the turnover cake. Sure they can. Sure they can. So, no, he did this thing called the turnover cake.

And I'm like, this is like such a great story. You know, the Eagles were doing really well that season. I'm like, oh, I'm lining this thing up. And I asked a couple guys about, I'm like guy he's not doing that anymore so just very deflating sorry all right so there you go Christian Parker headed to the Dallas Cowboys as their defense coordinator that'll take us through what's brewing should be very interesting so Eagles now not just filling an offensive coordinator void but also a hole in the defensive staff you know if you I think you would have thought like you know let's say let's say Vic told the Eagles

this is my last year, you know, would they have told Christian Parker that he was, you know, the guy in waiting? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, that is an interesting hypothetical. I don't know if I get the sense. Opportunity is not a lengthy visitor. Yeah, I don't know if I get the sense that Vic is, you know, only got one year. Yeah. One more year. I think, you know, he seems like, he seems like he's doing great. I think I could see him coaching for a few more years. I think that there's also like, I don't, I don't have it right in front of me, like the tally of how many defensive coordinator jobs are still open, but I don't know. I think it wouldn't shock me if this was the last Eagles assistant to get poached. I mean, it's true. Guys haven't been interviewing

necessarily, but like Clint Hurd, I think Clinton Hurd could. Right. There are just head coaching jobs that haven't been filled. And so from there, you know, absolutely. I think right. Clinton hurt has done it before. People like Bobby King. Yeah. Bobby King is, he's a, he's in like a fun character. Fun character. Yes. I don't know like. I mean, real concussion uncle football guy, the way that he, I'm not saying that's his actual personality, but that's the way he presents. He's like a modern day concussion uncle, in my opinion.

He's got, like he seems like he, he at the very least, like his players seem to love playing for him. Yeah. They love like being in the room with him. So everybody wants to go to BDU. Block destruction. And university, yes.

Yeah, I mean, I could see him like crushing an interview too. So. Yeah. All right. Some super chats to check out here right off the top. Epion Zero. Maybe top. offensive coordinator candidates

don't want to be tethered to Siriani. If successful, you save his job. If not, everyone is fired next year. I think that's a real thing. And it's not it's all of it. It's not just

what do I think of Nick Siriani as a person? Do I want to work for him? It's also the situation as you hint at. It's also probably the quarterback. And what is the offensive personnel going to look like? I think, yeah. It is all. It's all, these are all questions that need to be answered by the Eagles in the interview process from candidates.

It's like a cumulative thing, right? You know, there's going to be candidates that say it's Nick. There's going to be candidates that say it's a quarterback. There's going to be candidates to say, I went in there and asked about AJ Brown didn't get a good answer. Yeah. There's going to be reasons for everybody. I think that we are seeing that there's been a snowballing effect on some of these. Just the snowballing effect is how the Eagles find themselves where they are.

Yeah. SRG says, Bo, you look a little warm, maybe lose a layer. We should talk about this. E.J. has such a low opinion of himself. No, no. And the things that men are able to accomplish domestically that he didn't think it was possible

that I could have washed this shirt. Of course I washed this shirt. I don't believe you. And here's exactly, here's especially why I don't believe you. Did you wash the shirt yesterday? No. Okay.

No, no, I watched the shirt last night. So did you wash the shirt before you came on yesterday? No. You're wearing the same shirt every day in the studio. How would you expect all of us to just assume that you go home and put one shirt in the washer and one shirt in the dryer? Are you doing that much laundering in your house as you constantly have a load of laundry going through the wash cycle? Lindsay. It's just, I mean, the ignorance here.

You think you can only, you can't wash just like one shirt in the washer on itself? I don't, I'm not saying you can't do it. Do we constantly have a load of laundry going in our house? Yeah. E.J., we have three children. Okay. Yes. I don't have any kids.

Of course. We are in laundry debt every single day. Lundry debt. Yes. There's a pile of unfolded laundry sitting in our living room. Currently sitting by living room. We are constantly on the laundry cycle. Of course there's room to put in a shirt.

Okay. Well, you're still not walking. watching it every single day. I never said I watched the shirt every single day. So I asked me if I watch the shirt and I said yes. No way. You are so. Yeah.

You're living in your in your in your bachelor's squalor sleeping underneath Dirty Derry bachelor's. You don't think that I can put one shirt in the laundry. I didn't you, but you just admitted that you're not doing it every day. So I think it's just I don't need to watch the shirt every single day. I think it's a little convenient. You come in here.

It's in the middle of a week. Of course I was. I watched the shirt today. Five days in a row. Spoiler alert, I'm going to wear it tomorrow. Of course I'm going to watch it at some point. I find it just a little convenient. Oh, I didn't wash it two days ago.

But today, oh, of course. How dare you suggest I wouldn't wash the shirt today? I'm not even saying how dare you suggest that I wouldn't wash it. You are. You're saying how dare you not believe me when I'm telling you the truth. I still don't believe you. And oh, by the way, Julia didn't believe you either. When you said you watched it, Julia and I looked at each other like, nah, he didn't

watch that shirt. You're wearing the same clothes to the studio every day. Like that is, you, you've lost any credibility on like cleanliness. Oh, of course I go home and watch your shirt every day. Underwear. You think I'm wearing the same socks and pants? I mean, your dedication to the bit is knows no bounds. Who knows what you're doing with all of that?

I wear clean clothes to the studio every day. I don't believe you. I wear, I mean, I wear different clothes. If you don't think it's impossible. For someone to wash clothes? Hey, Jamie, how much laundry are you doing in your house? Oh, man. Oh, I got kids.

Got to do all this laundry. Oh, nice. Weaponizing confidence right there. Weaponizing confidence. Yeah, so do I. But we all do that. Nobody wants to hear you complain about how much laundry you got going on in your house. I'm not complaining about it.

You signed up for it. I'm just telling you that's the deal. Poor you. I'm not saying, poor me. Literally, last night I folded a basket so we could start another best. Of course. It's constant. Yeah.

Of course. I appreciated CDP. The dink lifestyle. There's no shame in my game. We do laundry every, like once a week. That's fine. That works for you. But don't, don't project that onto me.

You didn't wash the shirt two days ago. So I agree. You lost credibility. You wore a dirty shirt to the office. I never said that I watched a shirt two days ago. You wore a dirty shirt. So again, why are you? you so outraged that I didn't believe you today?

Because I'm telling you the truth. You don't believe me. That's nuts. I don't believe you. I think you stuff that shirt in the back seat of your car and you bring it in every single day. This is so much more about you and the role that you are able to play domestically than your understanding of me. I don't, I don't agree with that reframing for the record. Two of the great American traditions, two things we love.

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request to interview somebody else who we haven't yet talked about in this search. Yeah, so... Not shirt. Yeah, man. Go ahead. This shirt has brought a lot of darkness to the podcast this week. I mean, man. Well, it depends how dark you think it is.

Is it orange? Is it brown? Nobody knows. I can't believe I complimented the shirt, too. I said I liked it at the beginning of the week. And now here I am. All right, let's talk, Duck and Doyle. So, yeah, the Eagles put in a request, reportedly, to interview Declan Doyle, who is the Chicago

Bears offensive coordinator. He has been for the last season. Previously worked with Sean Payton, both in Denver and New Orleans. And got his start in coaching at Iowa, which. Of course, you know, I love because, you know, heavy personnel packages, baby. But there is, his dad was like the disgraced strength coach guy. Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, I didn't actually know that. I didn't know that until shout out to Jill, mentioned that. Okay. Yeah. It's good information. It's important to note. But yeah, he is, I think he's, what, 30 years old, 31? He is so young.

That it's like unofficial. That Wikipedia doesn't know his birthday. Yeah. that says born in 1996, 29 or 30. So there you go. I like this card. Oh, man.

Okay, so you did have it in there. Yes, there you go. There's Declan Doyle. Yes, worked with Ben. I mean, listen, well, what do you make of this request? I think it leans into something

we sort of stumbled into yesterday toward the end of the show, which is that if you're scraping at the bottom of the proverbial barrel with offensive coordinator, candidates. Maybe it makes sense to either target somebody who is inexperienced but has an upward trajectory or wait out somebody who maybe is going to be in the latter stage of the playoffs and not available to interview. I think that especially at this point with a lot of the

top offensive coordinator openings being filled, the Eagles can afford to take their time here. And I think that somebody like Declan Doyle, I think it reminds me of their head coaching search with Nick actually, where it's almost just like waiting to have something. somebody interview for the job to really like blow you away. See if you can find somebody that, you know, wowes you in an interview process. And, you know, I think that they will have to open, open this up to that possibility because they miss out on some of their top

candidates. I actually think the, I think the Nick is, that's a good comparison because it was like, okay, they went through the initial cycle, the people who they thought were their top choices were, maybe,

maybe turned down is not the right phrase, but figure that those were not fits, right? I don't know if they offered those guys job. Sure. found out that their their top tier was not interested. That seems to have been the case here. Okay, now let's go back to casting a wide net and trying to find somebody who's maybe ahead of things.

And listen, it would be an interesting fit. It's not the thing that we've talked that I think we think that they were searching for, where you're bringing in an inexperienced hand who is going to have like the gravitas of having been a former head coach and is going to get, you know, Jalen Hertz. and this is a quarterback whisperer

is going to, you know, fix the scheme and all of those things. But it's more interesting than, you know, like Kafka or whoever it is. And if you're looking for upside, you could certainly do worse than Ben Johnson and Sean Payton as a breeding ground. If those are the things you want to implement into your scheme.

And I also think if you're worried about, and I think we've talked about, you can be too worried about the one and done nature of it. But a guy this young is a good chance that it wouldn't be one and done. Like it is unlikely that a 30 or 31 year old is going to get hired as a head coach next cycle. So I'm not so sure. And we'll talk to Adam Hogue about this. I'm not so sure if I think if I were him,

I would take this job. Yeah. But it's certainly somebody worth talking to. Yeah, no. I mean, I think that there's a variance with a candidate like this. Yeah. No play calling experience, at least not in the NFL, and no real discernible identity for

exactly what he would want to do offensively. You know, we talked about Zach Robinson. We've really talked a lot about Zach Robinson and how he was presented as this McVe disciple. He goes to Atlanta, and it looks different, and it really doesn't look nearly as convincing, you know, with him, you know, as the one installing the offense and calling the offense. So there's a lot of projection with a candidate like this. it is, it's a matter of do you invite the variance in hopes of getting like a top five,

top 10 offense that is driven by scheme? I would. Because right now, the alternatives, again, the high floor candidates, we went from like the Todd Monkins of the world or for me, I would have said Cliff Kingsbury's of the world to now really talking more about, you know, Matt and Aggie, Mike Kafka as options where, again, I don't know if the ceiling is quite as high for those types of candidates. So I think it is understandable to invite that variance. but I think the other thing is how that decision will then,

it depends on how confidence you are in the Eagles organization to get it right at that point because you are projecting how is this guy going to command a room? You know, I mean, like, we can just be honest about it. Like the personality dynamics at play here will make it a very difficult job. We've talked about that. So is Declan Doyle a candidate who can walk into that room

and say this is what we're doing? You know, can he navigate that? That's a question the Eagles are going to have to answer. how he is as a play caller like again we'll talk we'll talk about this with hoag he's the thing he's never done that right but you don't know how his feel for a game is going to play out i think you know these they will have to go on a fact-finding mission to figure out some of these things and even then they won't know but again if you're confident in the eagles to get it right you can invite a candidate like this or a nate shield house because there's

just more like projection and more legwork that's required it is tough work because the most important thing for them to know is, like, what was his role like on game days with Ben Johnson? Yes. Right? And Ben Johnson is not going to be incentivized to tell them the truth about that, right? He wants to keep him around. Sure.

Right? And who knows what their relationship with him is like. So that is a tough thing to get to the bottom of. In terms of the variance, I think, you know, two years ago, I wouldn't have necessarily invited the variance. Sure. You wanted the Kellynne Moore, you know, the promise of credibility, right? Prominence.

You had AJ in his prime. You know, you didn't know you were going to get Seguyen, but you signed Sequin Barclay. The offensive line was all in their prime. Now I am much more willing to invite that wide variance because the truth is the offensive person is not going to be where if we can just deliver a 50th percentile scheme, we're definitely going to be a top 10 offense because the offensive line is declining.

Who knows what's going to happen to the quarterback or to the wide receiver. Everybody else is, you know, aside from, aside from Devante Smith, every project and Jalen Hertz, every projected starter on offense is probably in a decline phase. Yeah. I guess not Cam Juergens, right? But we'll see. But he's dealing with injuries. Yeah, we don't know that.

But not definitely in a decline phase, right? Yeah. And so everybody's probably going to get a little bit worse. We'll see what they're able to deliver in terms of draft picks or trades or, you know, free agent signings. But yeah, there's a good chance that the, the, what has been the best collection of offensive talent in the league without a doubt is no longer guaranteed to be that. And so, yeah, I think you do want some upside variance. Yeah. And if we're talking about the upside with Declan Doyle, I knew I was going to mess it up once.

If we're talking about the upside. We could do a whole episode of like Irish accents. That would be fun. He sounds like a soccer player. Like that name is very like Premier League. Yeah. Yeah. Midfield right there.

If we're talking about the upside with Declan Doyle there. Sign me up. Like if you look at it, it's hard to extrapolate what is Ben Johnson and what would be an offense led by Declan Doyle here. But their top five in play action. their top five and under center usage, their top five in play 13 personnel usage. You know, for me, these are the elements of a modern offense. You know, you're going to get, you know, play action heavy, outside zone heavy. I mean, we saw what the run game looked like against the Eagles.

Now, again, I think that Ben Johnson is the author of that scheme. But getting somebody from that potential tree, I do think that that's really interesting. So if you can do the legwork, if you feel good about how he can command a room, how he can install an offense and the vision for what he wants to do with the personnel that the Eagles have in place, I think it would make total sense. We are removed from the home runs on the board.

I agree. I think that that upside is very much apparent. Yeah, I think if you were an Eagles fan, there's no guarantee this would work well, but I think you would be more excited about this than... Yeah, not Nagy. Yeah, my Kafka. Yeah.

Someone in the chat thinks Declan Doyle is a left back. What position would you have pegged Declan Doyle as if he was a soccer player? Uh, I would have pictured him as like a hardworking, but undersized attacking midfielder. Oh, interesting. Like, uh, like, have you? I was thinking a defensive midfielder. That's what I had in my, in my, my, my time.

Well, you're thinking Declan Rice. I feel like if you're thinking like Irish or Scottish players, they're usually, I feel like they're a little smaller, but they, they just, they're bulldogs. By the way, I was really regretting the other day. I had, I have such a long list in my, in my head of Scottish golfers. And I didn't even tap into that. It's a bad job by me. Russell Knox, my favorite.

Russell Knox? Yeah. I'm again layered. Paul Lowry. I can name a lot of current players, past players I'm terrible with. By the way, Ashton Villa are beating, I'm going to try and pronounce it correctly for Dainez because he's going to be here tomorrow. Fenerbache.

Yeah. Nice. I'm not watching it except for right now because I just wanted to check. All right. Let's go to break. On the other side, we're going to bring in Adam Hogue to get much more insight into Declan Doyle and then after that we're going to talk about some of the players who have changed our opinion on them the most over the 2025 Eagle season. Stay tuned. Everybody's got their

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this new young whippersnapper mystery man who the Eagles are reached. Requesting permission to interview, we'll see if they are granted it. Hoag, tell us, tell us the quick scouting report on your... your guy, Declan Doyle. Yeah, I'm guessing you guys are probably where we were about a year ago at this time when it came out that Ben Johnson was hiring Declan Doyle. And we were all like, who is Declan Doyle? Turns out he's pretty good, young offensive mind.

Got to say, I mean, there weren't a ton of red flags last year when Ben Johnson came aboard because, you know, he was widely considered the best head coach available, him and Mike Vrable, definitely in the honeymoon phase. pretty much whatever he did you were going to trust they hired dennis allen so there were a lot of things to be excited about but this was the one thing that i was like did he have trouble finding somebody to be his oc like why is he hiring this random 28 year old from denver well it turns out that you know um these guys have had developed a relationship over the last i i think three years declan told me at one point like just through the nfl combine networking sharing ideas and a lot of

of what Ben Johnson, like for Eagles fans to understand, a big reason why Ben Johnson's different than some of these guys on the McVey, Shanahan Tree, is because he's really taking a blend of all of these different concepts, borrowing from McVe, borrowing from Sean Payton, as well as some of these other influences throughout, you know, that goes back to like Mike Martts even. Okay, so, and he's really developed his own thing. Then I think eventually you're going to start to see guys come off of Ben Johnson's tree, Maybe this is the first example. But one of the reasons why Declan Doyle was so attractive to him in their mind, the way they see the game is because of his, he came up with Sean Peyton.

He came up with Sean Peyton and was with him in New Orleans, followed him to Denver. And so there's a lot of things that Ben Johnson, even though he was in Detroit before, believed in from Sean Peyton, which by the way, who else was with Sean Payton back in the day? Dan Campbell, right? So now it all starts to make sense when you put it all together. and so it's not surprising me, even though Declan didn't call plays, obviously here in Chicago. It all seemed to work.

It all came together pretty quickly, and you saw the results from Caleb Williams this year. So we're certainly not surprised here in Chicago that Declan's quickly getting interest from other teams like the Eagles now. Yeah, I was going to ask you, so with Ben Johnson calling plays, I guess what are some of the tangible things

that you could attribute to Declan Doyle from that Bears offense? Are there examples of things that they do offensively that you think are really traced to him? Yeah, I mean, I think the, again, it would be, you know, more general, the Sean Payton influence. But, you know, specifically, like, I don't want to mislead you guys. Or clearly Ben Johnson is in control of this thing and doing a lot of it.

Because one of the things we learned is the season went along. And this is pretty rare for teams to do. but Ben Johnson was the one who installed the run game. Typically, that might even be, that might be your offensive line coach. That might be your running backs coach. It might be a combination of those guys. A lot of teams that have these run game coordinators,

and a lot of people are like, well, what does a run game coordinator do? Well, a lot of times, like, that's the person whose job it is to actually install the run game, going back to like OTAs and training camp. Well, here in Chicago, it was Ben Johnson. And like talking to Cole, come at Bears Tide end this year. He's like, I've never had a head coach install the run game at any level I've played at.

So I bring that up because Ben's doing a lot of this stuff. Yeah, yeah. You know, and so I think while Declan Doyle has certainly shown to be a very good young mind, and I think he is going to climb the ranks and maybe this is an opportunity to go become a play caller pretty quick. He will be doing a lot of these things, I think, for the first. time himself if he goes and gets that OC job somewhere else like in Philly because that would probably fall on him. I don't think Nick Siriani is probably doing that with the Eagles. And so, you know, his job this year was was a lot, you know, putting in the game plan every single

week along with Ben Johnson. I think they collaborated a lot. I felt like the biggest influence that he probably had was he was the guy upstairs for Ben Johnson, who was obviously calling the plays on the field. Declan was upstairs and so he was sort of the eyes and ears of the you know above above the field that could communicate what he was saying probably suggesting certain things

that he thought would work as the game went along and that would be one of the things I would really say that the Bears did really, really well that Ben Johnson's probably just got an way above average ability to sequence plays. So many play

callers in the league just cannot do that. sequence plays as the game goes along. And so I think, at minimum, Declan probably learned a lot from Ben on how to do that. And we'd take that to wherever he goes when he gets that opportunity to call plays. But also was probably a part of that, too. Hey, we called this in the first quarter. I think it's going to work now based on this coverage and things like that.

So it would certainly be a leap of faith that, and it's probably not all going to work to the level it did in Chicago this year with Ben Johnson running the show. But I definitely think that Declan, has proven to be right mind. He's probably going to take a lot of these lessons learned this year to wherever he goes next, whether it's this year or in the future. Now, when you're talking about a guy this young, you know, the question is what,

what is their presence going to be like in a room full of grown men and, you know, trying to get Jalen Hertz to come along and, you know, all of these, these offensive linemen, these older guys. What can you tell us about his, like his presence in the room? Yeah. So that was one of my concerns, too, coming in. I mean, he's got players, a lot of players that are older than he is. Yeah.

Right. And so that, you know, at the same time. Doesn't have to be a bad thing. Yeah. No, it does. Well, and a reason why it can be a good thing is because he's also got a lot of players that are close to age, almost the exact, like some of the younger veterans, like a Cole Komet, they're basically, you know, peers in terms of, you know, things that they might get along

with off the field. things they might like wanted to do where they might be, you know, starting a family, you know, all these, all these, all these things like that. And he's also close enough to age to this young core the bears are developing. I'm actually working on a story right now about how the bears have these five players that are all under the age of 25 that are going to seemingly be like a big part of this core going forward. And so not being this 50 year old coordinator probably helps them to relate to some of those guys as well. Back to the question, though, in terms of the presence of the room, obviously all I can go off of his press conferences.

But I was impressed this year. I thought, you know, for a guy who was probably barely ever talking to the media in his past stops, he was at the podium every week as the OC here in Chicago. And, you know, he would come up there confidently. He spoke clearly. Communication was good. He never said things that made you scratch your head at all. not granted the bears were winning this year so you know go to a market where you know but is what chicago is similar to philly and that everything is hyper analyzed and and the passions there on a daily basis so um there's a long way in me saying like i thought he commanded the press conferences very well i i was impressed by him and from what i gathered talking to um players throughout the season you know he was very relatable easy to listen to when he spoke

spoke to the room. Now is he necessarily a rah-rah type of guy? You know, no. But I also think he's not going to be one of those guys that has corny acrony acronyms and weird analogies that sometimes, you know, players like, what are you talking about? So I think that's probably a good thing.

Maybe he's not a good fit for this. Corny acrony acronyms, yeah. But the profits are not even acronyms. They're just things. Yeah. He doesn't even make an acronym out of them. Just anyway. Just letters.

Go ahead. Um, I was just, I'm not so sure I think it would be worth it for him to take this job. Yeah, I, I mean, I, I think there is an element of that for sure, but it's a chance for him to call plays. Yeah. Uh, and, you know, the track record of this job, there is theoretical upward mobility here. Um, I was, I was actually thinking about that, um, this morning, you know, when I heard that he was getting this opportunity to interview. because I think on one hand, you know, if he's, I'm sure he aspires to be a head coach at some point like most coaches do. You know, you go to Philly where you have the opportunity to call the plays, which he's not going to have here in Chicago as long as Ben Johnson's the head coach.

And you prove yourself there and the Eagles bounce back and they have a great season next year. You know, I'm sure he'd be getting head coaching interviews immediately, right? So that's one way to look at it. You know, on the other hand, yeah, yeah. I think there's some risk involved to where it doesn't go well. And we've seen how the Eagles have been spitting out offensive coordinators. And then it sets you back a little bit too. So I think that it'll be.

I think these opportunities to interview are always a good thing for these guys. But maybe he's maybe at his age, he's not, maybe he doesn't feel like he's quite ready for that. I don't know. I'm just sort of speculated on that right now. But it certainly is a very fast rise. More generally speaking, have you been surprised?

from your vantage point of the way that this offensive coordinator search has gone for the Eagles? I mean, obviously, I haven't been following it as closely as you guys have. But, I mean, there's been names that have popped up that have certainly gotten our attention here, like Matt Nagy. Who's an interesting. Yeah, how about Nagy and Fangio back together again, the prospect of that? I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. obviously, you know, the only year that they were together in Chicago was a very, very good year.

And so I think there's a lot of compatibility. All the things that kind of went off the rails under Matt Nagy later, where I do think that some relationships were tarnished and maybe not everybody was on the same page. That all happened after Fangio left. I also think that, you know, that would be a move for Nagy that makes a ton of sense because really, to me. Yeah, it makes a way more sense for him. Yeah. Yeah, the problem with his head coaching candidacy,

in some of these places that he was getting interviewed for that is like I what is his offense like that was that was the problem he had in Chicago he's trying to run the Andy Reed system that's a terrible sign yeah with without Andy Reid's players yeah and so you're trying to pigeonhole you're trying you you're trying to run a system where you you don't have Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill you have you have you have Mitch Trubiskey and Alan Robinson yeah like an Al Robinson was a good player, but he's not the same type of player. It just and even if like a now

I'm going to throw out like a Tariq Cohen's name because he had speed. Well but he's not Tyreek Hill either as a wide receiver. So it was just, it never worked and so he, whereas Ben Johnson came in here and he's got all these different ideas and and the proven

track record as a play caller in Detroit for three years. That's the other thing Matt Nagy still hasn't proven. Can he go somewhere, run his own offense where he's calling the plays and do it well. Like if if I'm the Eagles, it sounds great, but I feel like Matt Nagy is way more to gain than the Eagles do out of that situation. Ah man, when you were talking about Declan Doyle and it's like learning about secreting and a lot of like the forward thinking elements of offensive football in the NFL and Matt Nagy

conversation. Well, he doesn't really have an offense. I was going to want us to want nothing to do with that. Yeah. But but that is fair like though. Same. I think. think the same question would apply even to Declan Doyle like of course okay but what is your offense like are you what is it going to be now i would guess it's a blend of sean peyton and and and ben johnson and which and he can do like the fact that he's been in multiple different places and influences like i always when i look at these coaching searches whether it's head coach o c whatever i prefer that than a guy that's basically been under one guy the end i agree with absolutely yeah except for when he was

left and it didn't go well. You know what I mean? So that would be something I would be looking at very closely if how are you guys. Yeah, I mean, when you look at both of those offenses, it's heavy personnel, it's play action, it's, you know, a diverse run game. So to me, I mean, if I were an Eagles fan, I would say sign me up. Yeah. All right.

Well, thank you for the insight. Hoag, we appreciate it. Good luck this week. Just making it through the sadness. I was going to say, I don't know if you know this, but the Bears lost. Well, I meant, you know, just like living, getting everybody to continue to live their lives. Like in. Yeah.

It's been pretty good here. I got to be honest with you. I think Bears fans were so just unbelievably thrilled with the way the season went. And to still get that moment out of it. Yeah. Like to be honest, we were been talking about like that interception in overtime was hyper analyzed nationally here a little bit too. But more, way more people were talking about the touchdown throw to commit at the end of the game. Like, I think people.

are pretty happy. I think that's right. That's what it's all about, getting those moments. All right, thank you very much. We will see you in a couple weeks of the Super Bowl. Absolutely, guys. Always good to talk to you. All right, back with more in the PHAWY Eagles podcast after this.

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and you're like well today's the first day that I'm wearing I'm wearing it without an undershirt underneath it yeah and I go ooh so you're gonna have to wash it again tonight and you know what this I wish I can curse this guy over here you know what he says yeah we'll see no no no no that is 100% what happened no that is not what happened you mischaracterize no I just say ah we'll see

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In a conversation. You were being serious. Referencing the conversation we've had earlier, turning it on myself. No. I know you're being real. That wasn't a joke. You don't know because you didn't know before. I feel validated.

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Am I going to wash it? We'll see. All right. I'm so, man. You're allowed to be mad, just like you're allowed to be wrong about a lot of things. Okay. Let's take a little time to appreciate or depreciate

some things that happened for the Eagles this season. What we're going to do? Did you go positive on this? We're already, we're already, towards the end of the episode. So we're going to give you a little taste here. We're going to serve up an entree, and then tomorrow we'll get into the tapas.

Does that work? I don't know. No, that didn't work. Well, I know that, but I would have said this is an appetizer, but we're going to give you our top choices now. So these are the entree picks. That's why I didn't do. It's okay to be wrong.

And I'm not wrong. So we never wrong. I want to identify. That's true. We want to identify the players who changed our opinion of them the most this season. And that could be for the good or for the bad. We're going to give you one pick today and then we'll get into the rest of them tomorrow. You take the first pick because I want to see which direction you went with this.

I think most of our answers are probably going to be on the negative side. Yeah. But I'm going to give you the one guy who really popped. And I don't think that we have fully appreciated what he did this season. and that is Jalick's Hunt. Yeah. And it's a, it's a, the fact that he led the team in sacks and interceptions, it's a fun trivia. It's, it's a, it's a cool curiosity.

It's a nice quirk of the way that the season played out for the Eagles. That's nice. I do not think that we have fully appreciated the season that Jalick's Hunt had purely as a pass rusher. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I like to do the quarterback hit rate. How often do they hit the quarterback when they are charged with rushing the passer? Now, quarterback hits are, there's a little bit of subjectivity in them just, but not nearly to the extent of pressures, but it's a little bit more tangible.

Where did Jalick's Hunt rank in the NFL this season in quarterback hit rate among players who had at least 200 edge rush snaps? He hit over 300. do you have the graphic for us, Lindsay? He ranked fourth in the entire league behind Zach Allen, Byron Young, Miles Garrett, and then a smidge ahead of Nick Benito. Wow. It's better than that.

That is a super high quarterback hit rate at over 7%. It is, going back to 2010, when we have this information, the best season in terms of hitting the quarterback for any edge rusher in the first two seasons of their career. It's the 10th best season period over the course of that time. That level of production is probably not sustainable, but I think it underscores that we did not really appreciate

just how good Gilexun wasn't getting after the quarterback. Now, part of that might be because he is, tasked with going in coverage sometimes, so maybe there's a little bit of an unknown quantity to the person who has to block him. Certainly Vic Fanjo deserves some credits. Certainly, you know, the defensive tackles he's playing with get credit, whether that is from actually setting stuff up in terms of games or just the attention they take away. But for a third round pick in the second year of his career with as little background playing the position that he had as he had, as he had. to have that season like it is within the realm of possibilities

that Jalix Hunt turns into a super duper star. Yeah. I mean, as you were talking through this great job, by the way, great polls on the stats and well said, I was thinking about Jalick's Hunt standing next to Miles Garrett during joint practices, what was it, two years ago?

And thinking about Fran saying, yeah, I could see it. And like, again, when Fran's, said it. I was like, wow, like, Fran saying that, like, that really did open my eyes to something that we kind of, like something we've known about Jailix Hunt. But again, when, when Fran says it, it kind of valid, or like, you know, underscores it even more, adds emphasis to it that he has an upside that is one of the best eddressers in the NFL because of his physical profile, the size that he has and the way he moves at that size. So to me, like, when I'm looking at him on a chart with

Nick Benito and Miles Garrett, you know, on either side of him there. it does, it's a window into the ceiling that he has. Maybe he's not quite as dominant as those players, but he can be that dominant because of, again, the physical, the tools he has in his body, as the Eagles would say. Yes. So there you go. That's my J-Lex hunt pop.

Rachel just texted me, why are you wearing that shirt again? Tell us she doesn't want to show that much. That's what it tells you. Yeah, she's watching now. You should be appreciative that she watched. I mean, she's got busy, she got a busy life. We'll take the view.

Yeah. We'll take the view. She's drowning in laundry. She doesn't have time to watch every show. Yeah, laundry when you have kids, just out of control. I'll tell you, in Bovertown, I'll tell you the other thing that I tackled today. But go ahead. So mine is a negative one because of the way that we enter this off season, the questions that the egos have on the interior offensive line, I think Cam Juergens.

That would have been my. That would have been my next pick. Yeah, sure. If you think about a year ago, we were talking about the very difficult task that Cam Juergens handled, I mean, I would say flawlessly, of succeeding one of the greatest players in franchise history, one of the best players in the NFL in Jason Kelsey. And that was a, again, that was a very challenging task for him to be able to achieve. He did it incredibly well.

He played at a pro bowl level. I think we would have been talking about Cam Juergens ascending into being one of the best centers and best interior alignment in the NFL. Maybe not maybe one of the best centers in the NFL at the very least. And a year later, when we talk about the Eagles draft strategy and the Eagles retooling on offense, we're saying can you really count on Cam Juergens being your starter for 17 games? Now, maybe that's an overreaction, but I don't know. I don't know if you can feel confident, 100% confident that Cam Juergens, is going to have an offseason of recovery and be the same player that he was two years ago.

I think it's definitely on the table. It's possible. But I don't know. Again, I think that if the Eagles were smart, they probably would have contingency plans on if the interior line struggles next year. So it's just, it's,

it's the craziest part about it is it's so much harder to succeed Jason Kelsey in your first year as a full-time starter in a new position than it would be, you know, serviceable level this year. I know the injury is a big part of that, but it's just like I would have had so much confidence going into the season that he was going to be able to play a lot better than he did.

Yeah, I mean, it is to the point where it is a legitimate conversation, do the Eagles consider, you know, trading or cutting him in the first three days of the league year before his contract guarantees? Yeah. I think they will because this is a team in a very short-term window to win. and they're not going to add another position to replace on that list, especially with questions elsewhere.

You're saying you think that they won't do it. You say they will keep him. Yeah, not because, yeah, they make me they'll consider him. The fact that it's a real conversation is crazy, given where we were a year ago, for the things you're talking about. Yeah. Now, and even where we are at an information deficit, and they know more about what his season was like from a physical standpoint

and the things that he was playing through, that doesn't mean that they have any, high level of confidence that he's going to get fixed. Yeah. Right? Or that these problems won't persist. So yeah, I think that is a very good one.

And it's very funny that we're doing this exercise. Whose opinion changed the most and the most negative change is the guy who went to the pro ball. But if there is an irony there, it's the thing with Juergens is it wasn't quite as easy as saying, oh, well, he just lost his quickness or he lost. I think it speaks to the,

the like it is a difficult needle to thread with like an undersized center that you're drafting to be an athlete if they're just a little bit less athletic they don't have the floor of like well he's not going to get moved by nose tackles like no like you live with that stuff when cam jurgens is getting up to the second level and clearing out you know lanes for sayquan barkley but that i mean it was really it didn't feel as as you know binary is he just struggled with getting to the second level or he just struggled with oversized nose tackles it seemed like it a affected every aspect of his game in a way that I do think is concerning. We also don't know how important they feel he is to the pre-snap operation,

and how he works with Jalen, and how good they feel about that partnership. But yeah, I think that's a good selection. And we'll talk more in E.J. Time. Of all the days for E.J. time, that wasn't a good one because, man, that was smooth. Like, you know, I'm looking at the clock. Is he going to make it? He's making a point. It's a good point.

just seamless. It's good. All right, so we'll continue that conversation tomorrow. That was a good appetizer. Yeah. The jailing stuff is very interesting to me. I mean, I'm going to overstate it. No, I mean, it's legit.

It also, it's interesting in, I imagine that Nolan Smith will be someone we talk about tomorrow. Yeah. Because it was a relatively down year for him, given how awesome he was down the stretch last season. But as you're sort of roster planning, you know, I think one guy's maybe ahead of the other.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, Nolan's a tough one. We'll talk about him tomorrow, but I think that Jalick's, it's just, he's like a modern day Eddrusher in that he has, if you can,

you can squint and see like the game wreckers that you're used to, but he also has the dropping capability. He's also got, you know, just, he's got different things that he can do in a defense, and McFandio really leverages it.

No, no, I mean, he's a goal. He has a path to become a very important player for them in your future. The thing I was going to tell you about is, so we got to sign Jane up for kindergarten for next year. It's exciting. And in order to do that, you need all the, like, you know, all these important documents, right? You got the, you got the birth certificate and all those things. And those are in a little, like a little safe, you know, one of these, like, little ones. that you have

which is just for the documents just because it's like fireproof and all that stuff. We've got that. Shout out to Julia. And Rachel's trying to get open and the battery's not working

so like the code's not working. So we get the key. The key's not working. So it becomes this whole thing. Both of us are separately you know, she tries it out first. She's all furious about it. I try all this thing.

are off and you're like looking up these YouTube solves you know like there's like there's like an eight-year-old kid like a 12-year-old kid who's like you just I got to do is like drop it on a bed and twist it at the same time oh man you got to drop it but it's got to have some boy it's got to have some bounce to it and that'll get the springs and then you turn it uh or there's like just like pound on the top of it and that'll continue yeah and like last so last night in the basement I'm just like full moron monkey just like throwing this thing on the ground, hoping that it will pop open, like, looking like the dumbest person in the world to no success.

You couldn't get it open? Could not get it open. No. So what are you going to do? Well, I took it to Eloximate this morning. Okay. Got into it, and we're all set. Being Al-a-Oxam.

Just like to see the, like, look at this dummy. This caveman, just like, oh, I can't get into the state. Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo. Whoa, like the frustration level of it. Just very embarrassing. Lindsay, that's got to make it to the, yeah. So, yeah. You should do the notes I write for the things.

Like, so I know what I wanted to grab from that. I wrote bow shaking. It's very good. It's funny because I also had to access my safe yesterday for, I got to take a picture. I was also like taking the, I was taking the hammer to it, like trying to pry open. like the like ripped off the keypad. Don't make this weird. It's a legitimate question.

Are you a handy guy? Like are you good? I would not have made that weird until you said that. No, he, you totally would have. If I just go, are you handy?

You made that weird. Not particularly, but I wish I was. But like I do just enough so that I'm like really proud of the things that I, that I am doing. Yeah, no, I would say I'm, I would say I'm like a 23rd percentile handy guy. Yeah, I would say like I'm like 13th or 13th.

I'm like, I can like hang a shelf. That's probably the bounds of what I can do. I mean, we had really close friends over. They stayed with us and I mean, now I've got it. I just walked myself into a flex. Well, no, it doesn't have to be a flex. We have a deck that doesn't have their stairs. that are broken. They've been broken for months and they stayed with us and he is really handy.

Like he's a type of guy that can explain to you how anything is built. And he offered to fix steps for us. So like I just had to watch him like, you know, this. Oh, so emasculating. Yes. I was trying to think of the right like right descriptor where I was, I wasn't going to go too far. But yes, it's like watching this guy fix something that I can't fix. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like I could I could change the oil in my car. I probably couldn't replace the spark plugs. That's like where I'm at. Yeah, I couldn't do, I mean, I can do the oil.

Yeah, oil is pretty straightforward, but yeah. I wish I was too. Like, it's very nice to be able to fix things. I got to fix the trash can soon. We have like a cabinet trash can. Oh, that's happened to us too. Yeah, so, but he told me how to fix it. Oh, really?

Wait, what happened to yours? So, like, the face of the cabinet is like coming off of the actual drawer. So I've got to like change. I have to like, it's something called liquid nails. Okay. It's basically like wood glue. It kind of like an adhesive. I got to,

I got to do it. We did that for our towel rack in the bathroom. It was like coming loose. And it's like you can't just like put a new nail in. Yeah. It's like stripped almost. Yeah. It was very easy.

It's like it's hanging. Yeah. We're not, we're not handy. And Eric was able to do it. I would have guessed of the three of us that Lindsay was the handiest. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

No. Not like. construction stuff. Like I can be like creative, do like art and craft stuff. Okay. But not barely hang a picture. Julia is very handy. That's good. I like putting together like the IKEA furniture.

Like I can do that. Yeah, I like, because I'm going to following directions. Like if you just follow the paper. Yeah, I can do, I can do an IKEA furniture. But I always say, and I apologize to the audience if I already said this on the show. But like whenever Julia and I need to hang a shelf, we need a marriage counselor there with us. like because we are both she's a little more handy than me but i like to do it of course but then if it's not level oh man you or her who's got both of us and like we don't fight very much so

when when we're hanging a shelf it's like all right let's get that whenever the level is out there's a tension in the household that's the um uh rachel's mom whenever there's like uh like a wedding shower and it's like what's your what's your advice for the brand of groom hers is always uh buy the expensive christmas tree stand yeah we have a good christmas tree dragouts of like putting together you know getting the christmas tree on a wonky little stand one time we had to drill the hole in the bottom of the christmas tree because they didn't do it there and that was another one where it's oh man we don't argue very much it's like when that when we do that it's yikes yeah super chat from frank barber what is the opposite of a heater because

that is what EJ is on with his takes this week. We need a name for the people who like stand you unconditionally. Good arbiters of the bow levers. The bo levers. Yeah, I like that. He's a bo lever. Realists. CDP.

If an O.C. candidate asked Kellynne Moore what his experience was like in 2024. What do you think he would say? Did he like going into work that again? That's a good question. It is a good question. I can't say for certain what the answer to that question is. An oddly serious question from CDP.

Yeah. Well, CDP was on my side for a few things today, so I appreciate that. I don't know if I would say with confidence that Kellynne Moore would have like a ringing endorsement for his time. I mean, obviously won a Super Bowl, but his experience? Do you think that that is purely speculative? Yes. Would you guess that that is more building, coaching standards? staff or quarterback related?

I would put... Can I just answer yes? Again, I don't think it's... I think every single person might have their one thing that they point to it. But I think that these things are like tangled together in a way where it's sometimes not always productive to point the finger in one specific direction.

I have a terrible admission, by the way. Okay. Before the show I asked Julia to borrow a pen because no listen I don't I'm not you could put me out on blast I borrowed a pen from you and that's okay So I'm I am using Julius pen and I broke the thing oh give her this pen this is a good pen Right I mean and I owe you what a terrible thing to do someone loans you something and you break it? What if you don't return it is that worse? What's worse breaking it or not gonna give her a different pen? That's a good pen she'll like that pen you keep it I'll give it to it I I owe

I actually oh Julia I think Penns should be understood that it's like you're gonna lose it you're gonna break it that's kind of what they're there for they're high their highware items yeah but like tires on a car can't be breaking the thing you ever heard that it's like tires

on a car maybe that's a guitar player expression they said people say frets are like tires on a car you have to replace them in overtime yeah super chat from Mikey phased who says a coworker did the wear the same shirt every day for a week as a social experiment. The women figured it out on day two. Us dudes never noticed.

Us dudes. Speak for yourself. I noticed. Yeah, I think the social experiment of that is a little different when it is a shirt this distinct. I don't think there's anything wrong with the shirt other than the fact that you keep wearing it or making it contentious. You're contentious about the shirt. You're grieved that somebody would expect you not to watch it Well yeah, but that's not about the shirt and that's about your inability to read the room

What is I don't think what does my ability to read the room have to do is you're wrong I feel vindicated with the will say Nothing to be feel better again this is like you know This is this is how Conspiracy theories start You're you're I I'm worried you're going to go down into a rabbit hole. You're going to start believing this Niners

electromagnetic thing. Like, you're going to start talking about chem trails. Like, oh, I feel vindicated. What do you mean? You do a good job of like taking something very small in an argument and making it like

the most hyperbolic thing because I don't think you're going to wash that shirt tonight. You or I didn't think you were going to, I didn't believe that you were going to. I told you that I did wash it. Yeah, but I had evidence for not. didn't have evidence. I did. And because of that, now you think I'm going to believe like conspiracy theories. I'm going to be on YouTube until 3 a.m.

Yeah, because you have conviction in being correct about something that you are absolutely incorrect about. I just don't believe you. But you're wrong. And so for you to think that you are correct about a fact that you are wrong about is concerning about your future. You saying you wash your shirt isn't unimpeachable. I think you know what to me because it's my lived experience, I did it. I know exactly. I figured it out. Full, like, I'm going to close the loop and then we can move on. This is all rooted in your, like, inflated sense of self. How dare you question something that I said. It's all, everything I say is right. So therefore, if I don't believe that you didn't watch that shirt, I can, like, not believe that the earth is round. That is,

that is what you've done here. And you're wrong. It's okay, but you're wrong. I, I am correct. And this is not an, this is not an opinion. This is, this is, this is a, this is a, this is a, true thing that happened. Because you said it. Because I did it. Because you said it. I cannot believe you. It's fine.

You can, but again, that means that you are willing to believe as true things that are false that do not exist. Because you said it. It has to be true. No, because I did it. It reminds me of the thing I saw during the national championship game. whatever the show is on Peacock with Amelia Clark and

Haley Lou Richardson. This is really popular right now, right? Is it? Well, I just know everybody's saying this is like Amelia Clark's best role since Game of Thrones, which is exciting. Well, it's interesting you say that

because what drove me nuts was they show the preview for the show and then the first, you know, pull quote from a review is a career defining performance in Amelia Clark.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I haven't watched the show. What do you? She's like, I'm now out. Of course this is not a career defining performance. Do you think the arguments like she broke out of,

because when you're that big in one role? Don't give it any, there's no argument. All right. Whatever. Okay. Don't defend this person. I was going to entertain

the notion, but if you disagree, then, that's fine. We don't need to talk about it. No, this is the thing. If you're willing to this is something that's clearly wrong. And all of a sudden, you're willing to think, well, maybe it's not wrong. Do you want to talk about the cheese steaks? Oh yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I thought we were going to look at the picture. Sorry. So, Jamie and I both had a bachelor, bachelor night. It was, we were not together, to be clear,

but we both got cheese steaks. We found out that we both ordered cheesesticks for ourselves. And there was some misconception on which one. of these, or some disagreement on which one of these I ordered. So you know the answer. I do. So I'll let the chat figure out. Did I order the pizza cheesecake or did I order the cheesecake with the long hots and the fried onions and the seeded roll?

I should note. How long should we give them to think before we tell them like 25 seconds? You can maybe talk about which one you like while they populate. Time to place for both. I will say the quality of the, the quality of the I couldn't you couldn't quite see on the pizza steak how good the

steak itself looked sure but the quality of the steak and the cheese emulsified into it on the long hot one looked very good yeah if you were just based on the picture which one would I rather have had the long hot one okay um I see people saying okay Jamie ordered pizza

EJ equals long hots which is an interesting thing to say So it seems like the chat, the people who watch the show every day have a good handle on the fact that maybe I have a few controversial food takes. Thanksgiving food, the chocolate cake. But generally I think I am a reliable food. I wouldn't say critic, but I think my food takes are actually usually pretty sound. Outside of the two that I will admit could be controversial. So yeah, I did one with the long hats.

I, for some reason, in my mind had you as not liking spice very much. Oh, no, I like spicy food. Yeah, I put sarache on a lot of stuff. Not to say I don't like a pizza steak. I think, yeah, I'm in place for a pizza steak. I actually just had a, a couple of weeks ago, I just had a, like, the pizza place I go to will give me free slices a lot. They probably do it to everybody, but yeah, they will always, if you get a pie, they'll be like, here, give them a couple more on top. Really?

Interesting. Well, I think they liked you to try their other flavors, and this is what happened, because they gave me a cheesecake pizza. That thing was good, man. Cheese steak pizza? Very solid. But anyway, no, that's a, I'm a big, big fan of a long hot on a cheesecake. Sometimes, so this is Stakes Westchester. I'll give them some free pub here because I go there all the time.

It looked a little bit unwieldy. No, no, I wouldn't say so. Okay. It's a solid cheesecake. It is. I just meant the actual longhot on top. a little bit like maybe too big and a slide off.

You are correct. Usually they are a little bit further in there. But no, they take some real inspiration from Angelo's at Cheescester. Yeah, that's, Westchester. But yeah, no, that's my go-to spot. Now, do you think, I guess I do have one controversial

cheesecake thing? Do you like light mail on a cheesecake? Not particularly, but I, if it was put on my cheesecake, I'm sure I would enjoy it. It's like, I would say it's like a guilty pleasure for me. Like I know it probably don't need it. Traditional cheesecake doesn't have it.

It's nice. I would take that as a change up, yeah. I mean, I like mayo on a sandwich. Yeah, not every time. But yeah, if you're, if you're feeling like especially indulgent, every time you get a cheesecake, it's indulgent. But yeah, I think it's one of those things like, if you heard it, you would be like, eh, no.

But if you did it, you'd be like, yeah, this is solid. I think that's what the food chasers one? Yeah, they have light mayo on the chase like? Yeah. I mean, it's mayonnaise. It's not going to, it's good. Not going to make it worse. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. All right. I have my power rankings. Oh, you've done it. Here we go. Oh, no. It's very exciting.

Debuting a new segment to wrap up every day. So, Lindsay's power rankings. Is this something you guys cooked up without me? You weren't on the call on time. I got on like 10.30 on the dot. If you're on time, you're at least. So I'm down on the power rankings today. Yes.

Oh, wait, so is this as of me, are you saying that it will be cumulative or is it just a daily? Well, we haven't done it before. So, you know. Okay, so this is for today. Right now. Yeah. Yeah. So what was it that got me down on the power rankings?

What did I do? You're late on the call. I wasn't late. And your hot takes this week. just all over the place. All right. Fair enough. Better like tomorrow.

Can we at least set the record straight? I wasn't late to the call. You were absolutely. You're the last one. You were on at 10.30 precisely. But it was like 10.30 and like 30 seconds. I'm usually the first one in there. Not today.

All right. Fair. I mean, fair is fair. Room to improve. I mean, you know that nobody's more of a straight shooter than Lindsay. I'm hoping this gets you guys to be like bringing me coffee and buying me lunch. I mean, maybe Beau. He's in the top spot.

Maybe. You got to hold on to it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. Thanks everybody for watching us and listening to us today. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock.

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