PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Who is on the Mt. Rushmore of Howie Roseman-era Eagles? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

With Lane Johnson returning for a 14th season, chasing down the likes of Jason Kelce and Brandon Graham in seasons played for the team, is he the most essential Eagle of the Howie Roseman era? Who els...e is in the conversation? Zach Ertz? Fletcher Cox? Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown? A.J. Dillon and Lew Nichols? Deniz Selman joins Bo Wulf for a sure-to-be incisive discussion. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:06 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley. We are here in the Xfinity studio. And we are Bowen, the professor. Professor, how you doing? Nice to see you. We're getting you fresh, not super fresh, but fresh as far as we're concerned, off your biannual haircut? By annual, yeah, every six months. And yeah, it is fresh. By my standards. It's only been about two weeks. You look great. Thank you. I appreciate it. How are you looking good too? A little bit of a tan. Vacation bow.
Starting point is 00:00:41 A little, you know, your planned family trip to an island, which I won't name. Listen. You know, that was actually our philosophy when I lived in Turkey. We were very close to a lot of very beautiful places that had a lot of turmoil. So, you know, like Egypt, for example. Beautiful place, a lot to sea. and you know they hijacked like a Ukrainian Airlines flight they attacked like a group of Russian tourists and uh oh absolutely my friend and I were like next week we're going we're going we went to Egypt
Starting point is 00:01:17 we were there for a week we were like the only people at the pyramids it was unbelievable also like what lowly terrorist attacks like two Turkish professors you know what I mean like if it's just two people like all going around you should be safe so yeah that's a it's a good way to good way to plan trips all right I like that yeah let's talk a little bit about the Philadelphia Football Eagles, Professor, and the news that Lane Johnson will be back for year 14. Let's do it through the prism of the big takeaway presented by our friends at Xfinity. And Professor Lane Johnson is someone who you have seen play quite a bit as he moves now into year 14.
Starting point is 00:01:55 If we want to flash up where he ranks on just seasons played in Eagles history, he's about to tie Chuck Bednarik for second place. behind only the great Brandon Graham. I'm going to surpass the likes of Brian Dawkins, Jason Kelsey, Harold Carmichael, Bucko Kilroy, and Vic Sears. My question for you is, like, is Lane Johnson the best eagle of the Howie Roseman era?
Starting point is 00:02:22 Yes. Okay. Okay. I mean, I think there's a little bit of room for a bit better. You know not to ask yes or no questions. Yeah, no, I think, I think he's been the best player on the team for a long time. Okay. During a period of time that the team won two Super Bowls, right, went to three.
Starting point is 00:02:45 He's just like, you know, his on-off stats are famous, like how bad the team is when he doesn't play. And you can just see the way the offense is run, like relying on a right tackle who can just block by himself at all times. Designing a run game where you're running behind him, never worrying about him in Passpro. how unconventional he is, and how when other people try to do what he does, how bad they look. Names escaping me, the left tackle for the Patriots who lost them to Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Will Campbell? Basically tries to be Lane Johnson, but he can't do it. Like, you cannot do that vertical set like if you're just a normal human. And Lane Johnson, I mean, just the way that he, you know, has also been a leader, obviously,
Starting point is 00:03:31 all those kinds of things. Yeah, absolutely. I would say that he's the best for sure. And I'm very happy that he's coming back. I wasn't like super excited this week because we had already gotten since that he was going to come back. Like people had sort of leaked it, right?
Starting point is 00:03:45 And so, but man, like when the word finally comes that he's retiring, it's going to be like, oh, no, what's next? You know? Yeah, I mean, living in a world. And I think we're going to talk as the show goes on about a post- Jeff Stoutland world and what that might look like. But yeah, I think Eagles fans are accustomed
Starting point is 00:04:03 and used to a very high level of play from the offensive line at some point that's going to go away. Yeah, the two tackles in particular, when you think about the position value of edge rushers in the NFL and how when normal teams play against, like a Micah Parsons play against, like, you know, back in the day, like the Vaughn Miller's and the Khalil Max, they would spend the whole week worrying, like, oh, no,
Starting point is 00:04:27 how are we going to not let this guy wreck the game? And we would be, like, looking at other positions because it's like, what do you mean? Like we have Jason Peters and Lane Johnson. Like, what do you mean? We have Jordan Milana and Land Johnson, right? Like, it's always been very comfortable there. And it's so much easier to plan everything else.
Starting point is 00:04:41 And, you know, like double team, Aaron Donald or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Like all those things, when those tackles you know are going to hold up. So, yeah. All right. Well, there you go. Lane Johnson is back. That'll close it on the big takeaway.
Starting point is 00:04:53 But let's keep this conversation going here. Let's out, what if I want you to fill out your Mount Rushmore of Howie Roseman-era Eagles? Okay. So this is, like, it doesn't necessarily... He doesn't have to have acquired them. Oh, okay, so that makes it, yeah. Maybe that's unfair. I like...
Starting point is 00:05:13 But this is like a subjective, like, in my... In my... Lane, Kelsey, B.G., Fletcher Cox, Jason Peters, Malcolm Jenkins, if you want to get nasty. Jalen Hertz. Yeah. So when I'm an old man, like, looking back at these days, telling my, you know, grand children,
Starting point is 00:05:32 If I have any about this era. Yeah. I will definitely have Lane Johnson there. I'll definitely have Jason Kelsey. I think I would have Brandon Graham because, not only because he's on the thumbnail, but just because I've just personally, like, always loved Brandon Graham.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Like, not necessarily because he was one of the best players on the team during that whole time, but like the longevity, the clear, like, impact he has in the locker, like all those things. Like, and also just like his relationship with fans, like matters. Like, as a fan, like, it's like that matters a lot to me. And that's what puts him over like a Fletcher Cox, who is an awesome player, but, like, didn't have that same relationship
Starting point is 00:06:20 with the fans as Brandon Graham, you know? Now, it's hard now because there are two Super Bowls, and I'm thinking about the two, but one of them is so fresh that a lot of the key players on that team just weren't on the Eagles for long enough. You know what I mean? Right. Like you literally had like two rookies
Starting point is 00:06:40 who were a big part of it. A first year free agent linebacker who was a big part of it. Like we can't put them on the Mount Rushmore yet. If I need a fourth person, it has to be Jalen Hertz. Okay. Because he's been the starting quarterback now for five years during a period of record-setting winning
Starting point is 00:07:00 two Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl title. And even though he might not be the main reason for all those things, you cannot just not give him credit for it. And so I think it would be impossible not to have Jalen Hertz on there. And from a Howie Roseman perspective, drafting him in the second round, when people didn't think he needed a quarterback, as much as people say, like, well, you know, he lucked into that.
Starting point is 00:07:22 I mean, all draft picks. And I think that even though Lane and BG and Kelsey, you know, Kelsey was there for two of the three Super Bowl appearances, the other two guys were there for all three. They are all three of an earlier era. So Jalen is sort of the face of this second level of, you know, the Siriani era of, as you have beat us over the head with, unprecedented success.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Well, I mean, yeah. It's true. No, yeah, but Jalen has to be the face of that. The very deep and nerdy analytics of counting wins. Yeah, it's true. I have mentioned that. There's talk in the chat about where I would have Saguam on my list. What's the opposite?
Starting point is 00:08:02 I think Fran is... Fran is right. Mount Passmore, I suppose. Yeah, there you go. Like I said, a lot of players who contributed to the Super Bowl title who just haven't been Eagles long enough to be considered there. I obviously wouldn't have Sequin on there anyway, but the, you know, like a lot of guys were a big part of that.
Starting point is 00:08:22 And I'm going to include A.J. Brown in that too. Like, AJ Brown's been awesome. But just not quite enough to get him over the top. How deep would you have to go to? get to Cam Latu. Cam Latu? Probably top I mean,
Starting point is 00:08:40 top 150, I would say. I don't know about that. You don't think top 150 for Cam Latu? Over the past decade plus, no way. Okay, maybe not. Top 200. Just because I have a soft spot
Starting point is 00:08:53 for players who are talked about a lot for unclear reasons. So, yeah, Geem Butler. I'll have that too. Yeah. Yeah, Jason Kroo. Jason Kroom is one of my favorite. Exactly, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Well, let us know in the chat and comment on the video. Who is in your Howie Rosemann era, Mount Rushmore? Who is in your top four? Jamon Brown. Jimon Brown. Justin Gloves, midplay, we'll never forget. Yeah, top 10 for sure. Dominic and Sue and Linval Joseph leading to Miles Jack and Zach Cunningham.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Love it. I love that. All good stuff. Yeah, it's good to have like a platonic ideal of like how he moves. and the end up because sue linval Joseph. I mean, they didn't quite get us the parade that year, but like it got us decades of comparing every bad veteran mince season signing to them. So, yeah, it's good. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:42 All right, I like that. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We're going to get into the weeds on exactly how this running game is likely to change in a post-Jep Stoutland world. The professor also has some thoughts on the offensive staff changes in general. We're going to go over some flu world order implications, talk about the opponents for next season.
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Starting point is 00:12:12 You can make a case for Fletcher Cox if you're just talking about quality of the player. But I kind of like the way that I kind of like where you landed. And if we were to add a fifth to Mount Rushmore, which, you know, it would be Malcolm Jenkins for me like he's the one that I feel bad about not including and who would be on your all-time like top four
Starting point is 00:12:36 yeah it's like of people that I that I watched yeah let's call it the like I didn't see like Bucket O'Gillroy or whatever Vic Sears the the greasy Neal era you know had a lot of good players but the the
Starting point is 00:12:50 so growing up man this is hard So there's like a difference between exciting and having accomplished something, right? So like Reggie White was awesome. Randall Cunningham was super exciting to watch. Yeah. But those guys never won anything. Like they won one playoff game the whole time, you know.
Starting point is 00:13:05 So it's hard for me to compare them to, you know, an era of, I feel like the early 2000s. It was like almost the opposite. It was like there was a lot of winning. But I'm not coming up with as many guys who I'm excited about. Ryan Dawkins. Yeah. Yeah. Dog's got to be in your top floor, right?
Starting point is 00:13:24 Yeah, Doc for sure, yeah. But he's the only one from that era that I would have, I think. I don't know why I'm not. You could argue, like, you should have Donovan McNabb if you're going to have Jaylen Hurts. Like, you could argue that. Yeah. I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:13:38 For me, like, just when I look back on that era, I'm not as, I don't look back as fondly on Donovan McNabb. And I'm not sure why. Like, I can't really give you a reason, just a feeling. Okay. Relative to, like, how I'm most likely going to look back on Jalen Hertz. Maybe it's just that one of them won in the, the other one didn't, right?
Starting point is 00:13:54 Like, it could be that simple, but, um, yeah, what about you? I mean, you would include doc? Are you going, are you going dock and then just lane Kelsey BG? Is that where you're landing? No, you want to hurt. Yeah, it's, it's hard. Yeah, I don't like, I don't like comparing across eras. It's so hard.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Yeah, I'd have to. Jeez. Yeah, maybe by the end of the show. Tough guy. Yeah, this is like when we did our female artists. I need a little more time. It seems like too serious. an endeavor to just do as a pop quiz, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Okay. Tell us about this running game and why you expect we're gonna see significant changes from what we are used to. Last time I was on the show, the Stoutland thing had just happened, and right after the show, EJ and I were talking off the air about like, you know, well, the under center, like, is Stoutland really like that married to shotgun run game?
Starting point is 00:14:49 Like, is he really not that under center? And I was like, oh man, like, let's get out true media and run some non-center. numbers on this because I'm sure that the Eagles will be dead last in under center usage during Stoutland's entire era time here. And sure enough, we're in the numbers and we have the first graph. This is Jeff Stoutland's entire tenure with the Eagles and it is under center percentage on early down runs on one axis and under center percentage on early down dropbacks on the other axis. And we took out like two minute drills and, you know, garbage time and all
Starting point is 00:15:23 those things. And the Eagles are, for the audio listeners, nowhere near anybody else, dead last by a mile over the entire era. Now, I posted this and I got a lot of replies saying, oh, this is just because, you know, Chip Kelly was this way or it's because of Jalen Hertz. Like, I bet the, you know, if you look at certain quarterbacks or certain, you know, the Doug Peterson era, it won't be like this. So it broke it down into each of the three head coach periods that Stoughton was here for. So, Lindsay, we can look at first at the Chip Kelly era. So sure enough, this is a big part of the reason. You know, there was very little under-center usage during Chip Kelly.
Starting point is 00:16:00 So Eagles are dead last by a mile during this time. But if you look at the Doug Peterson era, it is not that much different. I mean, the Eagles are down very low in that one as well. And then, of course, if we look at the current Syrian era, the Chiefs is interesting. It's also very similar. Yeah, well, the Chiefs in that period, of course, with Andy Reid, have kind of always been that way as well,
Starting point is 00:16:24 which is very funny because the Eagles were almost exclusively under center the entire time Andy Reed was actually on the Eagles. Like 4th and 26 was under center, which is unbelievable. That's very funny. If you look back at like watch 4th and 26 and you're like, why is he under center?
Starting point is 00:16:38 And then you realize, because he was under center on literally every play all season. Like that's just the way that was. But yeah, I mean, by the numbers, that under center percentage on run in the run game, 30 second by a mile over the 13 years, 30 second during chip. 30th during Doug, 32nd in 2017, winning the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:16:56 32nd during Siriani. The only year that they were anywhere close to league average was 2016, the first year of Doug, and even that year, they were 41st percentile. Every other year, they were 13th percentile or lower. Which is, including in 2025, when they were 13th percentile. So, I mean, the undercenter thing takes the QB plus one run game and the textbook RPO's out of the playbook. there was an RPO based offense
Starting point is 00:17:23 like for a large chunk of the time that Stadlin's been here so that's been part of the reason you can have like those quick alert throws that like Matt Stafford throws from under center but you can't really have anything else in terms of an RPO right and so that's part of it and then you know I heard
Starting point is 00:17:38 shield talking earlier this week about how like if you look at the types of runs that Jeff Stoutland ran the run game diversity which we always talked about like the pinpoles and the counter bash and the counter and the power and the trap and the inside zone. Like, did they run everything? Yes, they did.
Starting point is 00:17:56 But there's a nuance to the way that it marries with the play action that it was very educational for me to watch this video that was posted by Nick Waters at Philly underscore films on social media where he detailed in like five minutes. So I highly recommend the video. It's like a five-minute thing where he detailed the difference between Stoutland's philosophy,
Starting point is 00:18:18 which was based on, Jim Mouse McNally. I love these old coach names. Greasy Neal, Mouse McNally. He was an influential offensive line coach in the NFL for 28 years. And there are these videos of how Stoutland is teaching outside zone.
Starting point is 00:18:33 And he keeps on talking about Coach McNally. He's like Coach McNally, Coach McNally. And it's the outside zone runs with Stoutland have been this way where it's like a mid-zone run where you're climbing to the second level while collecting defenders. Like altering your blocking angle
Starting point is 00:18:48 to make sure you actually secure a block. Whereas in the Shanahan tree, they run more of a wide zone, which is influenced by another longtime offensive line coach, Alex Gibbs, where you climb at an angle on your own terms and block defenders if they happen to be in front of you. And if they're not, it's up to the running back to follow you into space. And if they are, you block them in the running back and cut to where they aren't. The way the bears kept cutting back against the Eagles on Black Friday
Starting point is 00:19:13 is a good example of that, a coach from that tree, when they ran those wide zone runs and then, you know, they kept on cutting. running back, Ben Johnson uses those wide zone runs to get to play action, and it's very different than anything we've seen under Stout. So I'm very curious if that's what it's going to turn into, right, with Sean Mannion, with, you know, the new, what's his name, Chris Cooper, and the, like, the whole Shanahan-like philosophy, if we're going to start to see wide zone as opposed to mid-zone, if we're going to start to see like a very different type of marriage of the run game and the past game, I would imagine that was the entire.
Starting point is 00:19:50 point of these changes. What do you think? I think so. And I think the understanding that the Eagles went into this offensive coordinator search, looking to change the running game, tells you that.
Starting point is 00:20:07 And the reporting of the run game coordinator stuff being taken away from Stoutland over the course of the season and his unhappiness with that, I think there's obviously truth to that. And I think they wanted to I think they liked what the very minor uptick in play action
Starting point is 00:20:26 and under center stuff gave them the second half of the season. I think they want to do that more. And I think they know that that means changing the way that the running game looks. Now, I also think, you know, I'm not worried about like how is the offensive line you're going to react to that because these are all still very good players. Right now, if Landon Dickerson is as barely able to move
Starting point is 00:20:49 as he was last season. Sure. Maybe it's not ideal. Cam Jergens as well. Same for Jurgens, but I think you're hoping that they're going to get back to full health. But those guys are good players like Lane.
Starting point is 00:20:56 You know, they'll figure it out. I'm a little bit curious about if this changes at all the kinds of things that they look for in offensive linemen in the draft. I don't think it will change a ton. I mean, in theory,
Starting point is 00:21:09 you were a little bit more likely to look for a more athletic guy than just a big Hulk and Mackay Beckton type. Right. But I don't think that that will necessarily change their board very much. But I do think it's going to be a significant difference. And I think it's, I think that's fine if it does lead to more of the play action stuff,
Starting point is 00:21:27 more of the moving the pocket that they have really barely done. But it's going to be interesting. Do you have any concern with guys like Jordan Milata and Lane Johnson adjusting to, for the first time in their relatively long careers? I mean, very long in Lane's case, pretty long for Jordan's case as well. a new offensive line coach for the first time. I mean, these are guys who, you know, they wear Stoughtland University gear in the locker room.
Starting point is 00:21:57 What is that going to look like for them? Are they going to be, you know, able to kind of bring the young guys along as well as they were before? That's a good question. Now that they also have to get used to a new, you know, essentially like a new leader. I think that's an interesting thing about the development side of it because, yeah, they don't know, like, you know, Stout wants you to do it this way, do it this way, I can teach you how to do it this way.
Starting point is 00:22:20 If they're still learning it themselves, that will be different. I also, you know, it's a very human dynamic thing where, you know, if Chris Cooper tells Lane to do something a little bit differently than the way that Lane knows works for him, of course he's going to be like, well, I'm just going to do it my way. And I would imagine Chris Cooper is smart enough to not do that or at least work with, you know, talk to Lane about like how is it that you did it. But I also think there will be, you know, there will be times when in the meeting
Starting point is 00:22:52 room, Cooper's going to say something that they don't agree with. And they're like, well, this is this Gibron over here. But they can still do their job. I'm kind of worried about that. Because you hear about, like, you hear former players talk about how, like, they've had coaches where they were just looking at each other being like, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Like, and I'm just worried that like some of these veterans. I think that's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Especially because they've never had another O-line coach. So they don't know, like, how else it's done. You know, I know they've all been, you know, the OL masterminds and all those things. That's an awkward room for a Cooper to walk into right in the beginning, right?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Like, these guys are all really good. Right. You know, they got to stay healthy. Right. But they know what they're doing. You're coming in. They've always done it one way. Completely different.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah. And they like the other guy. Yeah. They literally have his gear all over the locker room. They're going to have to get rid of all the Stoutland University stuff, right? As far as I know. There's no doubt that like the, you know, When the O-Lignment are getting beers together,
Starting point is 00:23:48 they're going to be talking about, what did you think of the new guy? Yeah, yeah, of course. So as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, Greg Austin, who was the assistant offensive line coach, is still employed by the team, presumably could stay in the same role. Maybe he acts as a little bit of a, I don't know, like a translator? But how can he translate? He doesn't know the new language, right?
Starting point is 00:24:13 So, like, it's like, I don't really know Greg Austin's background. so maybe he does but like that it'll be weird for him too yes he's just going to join the other guys having the beers and be like what's going on yeah i agree with that yeah so that's a weird one um weird one for me like that it's one where it would have been so much smoother and i know the whole point is that the scheme's changing so maybe this doesn't make sense but like you know we're talking about christian parker and how great it would have been if like he could have just taken over his dc like when fangier retired if they could have timed that up where if there had been a guy like that in-house who they could have promoted instead of bringing in a guy. And it's not like the
Starting point is 00:24:50 guy. Eddie a couple years ago who had been in that room and then now is in New Orleans as their run game coordinator. That's right. I don't think they expected Stout to leave. I mean, it's the kind of thing where like if they had just promoted Greg Austin, would we have been saying like, what are they doing anything any more than we're talking about this guy who was just fired by the Vikings coming in? You know what I mean? It's not like this guy has like an accomplished career. Yeah. And if you're, if you're Lane and Landon, like, I don't know, this guy's going to be here more than one year. Yeah, that's a good point too.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Why try to impress this guy, right? Like, he should be trying to impress us kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, I think we can all identify with that. Like, you know, it's your job to take the coaching, and it's your job to make it look good. But it's a difficult thing for Cooper to be stepping into. No, for sure. Moving to a different part of the offensive staff.
Starting point is 00:25:43 What did you think of the, the Parks-Frasier role change becoming quarterbacks coach when the old quarterback's coach Scott Leffler, as far as I know, is still employed as well. Like, what's he going to do now? He's just going to... I don't know. Maybe he won't.
Starting point is 00:25:58 I don't have reporting on what Leffler is going to do or if he's going to stay. I would imagine he will look for somewhere else, but I don't know. I was a little bit underwhelmed, honestly, that just from the outside that Parks-Frasier was staying because it was like... It's like a little bit.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Arm bells that they're letting Nick's guy stay, right? We get the news that, okay, Grizzard, Grisard's coming. Now Mannion's getting Mahaffee, okay? Yeah. Oh, this is going to, they're really going to change this, this offense.
Starting point is 00:26:27 This is going to be a totally something new. Right. It's like they got to that line and then sort of backed off. It's four new guys, right? And I think the quarterbacks coach in particular is obviously the one that is like the most interesting. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Parks Pressure hasn't been a quarterback's coach before. That doesn't mean. that he won't be a good one. And obviously there is value in he knows Jalen, Jalen knows him, he has worked in this scheme and Nick's scheme so he can be the translator for that. That all makes sense to me. I get it.
Starting point is 00:26:58 But I also think it's okay to be like, ooh, I thought this was going to be the one where like we needed a, you know, Shanahan-style quarterback Matt Guru. Right. And this is not necessarily that. Yes. One year in Miami, 2024, as an offensive.
Starting point is 00:27:14 assistant with an unclear role is the only exposure he has to that system as far as we know, right? Right. So that's... Now you could say, okay, well, Sean Mann is going to be in this room a lot, right? He just did this job. He's the one who's really going to be working with Jalen, but... Good point.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Sean Mann is going to have a lot on his plate. He's never been an offensive coordinator before. He's never been a play caller before. Right. So he's got a lot to do that he can't just also do his old job. Right. And then it is, like, I have to talk about the wide receivers coach because Sean Syed was talking to you guys at the Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:27:46 about how in his mind it absolutely had to be a coach from this scheme, coaching the wide receivers. Yeah. Like talking about how important it is for the wide receiver coach in particular to be installing this offense that he has to be familiar with.
Starting point is 00:28:03 And Aaron Moorhead, who's just been here forever. Like, it's like amazing how long he's been here. I believe he's the longest tenured wide receivers coach in the NFL. Which is crazy. It's crazy. Because like what examples do we have? of the wide receivers developing beyond what we already knew they were
Starting point is 00:28:19 coming into the team. I know he's good at the squirting the water during the rain weeks on the ball and stuff. But, and I'm sure he's a nice guy. Everyone likes him, all that kind of stuff. But to keep Aaron Moorhead is like, like, it's just adding one more guy who has to learn the system.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Like, he's never coached in the system. He's never played in the system. The single biggest surprise to me of this, this. this is the offensive coaching staff. I don't, you know, I have no idea. I'm sure there are lots of strengths with Aaron Moorhead. There's obviously a reason that Nick Siriani has kept him around
Starting point is 00:28:55 after he was, and Nick Seriani cares about that position. But yeah, I find that to be interesting. Yeah, just zooming out, you really have this like, it's, it, they made it 50-50. Like you have four new guys, right? You have Mannion, Grisard, Mahaffee, and Cooper. I know, and now it's like, and then you have Singleton, Moorhead, Frazier,
Starting point is 00:29:14 Leffler, still around. Like it's basically half and half And it's like like half of them are learning from the new half But they're also going to be telling them They are the ones who know the players And the players know the old guys like and the players know the old guys Like and so it's like you know Like how much power the new guy
Starting point is 00:29:28 How much power are the new guys gonna feel like they have Especially because they're all young That's the other thing If they had hired Greg Olson O-L-S-O-N He's like 62 years old I was thinking like that guy Would essentially be that senior
Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah Type who you needed to kind of bring because these guys are all young, the new guys. Yeah, now they were all young when they came in 2021. That's true. Yeah, that's true. That's fine. And there was a little bit of people left over in 2021 as well, right?
Starting point is 00:30:01 Morehead. Aaron Forehead, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, no, so yeah, maybe that's not a thing. But like we were talking before about how that would have been useful last year and how they didn't like ever bring that guy in last year. And they kind of haven't this year either. Like it's a first-time play caller without that senior person.
Starting point is 00:30:19 And without stout there, maybe it makes it easier without stout because the old guys aren't that old either. I don't know. We're going to see. All of this, there's so much content out there about like Sean Mannion's scheme and like you can watch all this stuff and you can just watch the film. Once like the game start, we have no idea if it's going to look anything like that. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:40 So I'm very curious if it's going to look like the Packers from last year or if it's going to look like this weird hybrid where they're trying to find themselves all year like it was last year. All right, good conversation. Back with much more on the other side here on the PHLY Eagles podcast. Stick around.
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Starting point is 00:33:36 One left over from that run game discussion. Over under 2.0 designed QB runs per game for Jalen Hertz next year. It was 1.6 this last year. It was like almost four every year before. Obviously, the under center stuff makes it a lot harder. Good question. To incorporate that stuff naturally. You almost have to call those types of runs intentionally, right?
Starting point is 00:34:04 I think I'm going to stick with under. And do you think this is a Jalen Hertz decision? Because he kind of wanted us to believe it was Kevin Petulow all year. Well, and don't you think... Did you buy that? under the hood, the urgency for the Eagles to have a new run scheme when they've had a lot of success running with Jeff Stoutland. Absolute best running game in the league, like in 2022, by EPA per whatever,
Starting point is 00:34:35 and all that stuff, and very good in 2024 as well. Yeah. The urgency to change that. Yeah. Must be informed by, okay, we are not going to have the built-in advantage. advantage of the quarterback that runs. So now we have to find a different way to have a very good running game.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Yes. Especially if they think that the actual run game is the problem, meaning the run game efficiency, as opposed to the way the run game helps the passing game. Yeah. Right? If the run game helping the passing game is the main issue, then I get it. It's like, okay, like under center play action works better than the type of, you know, play action we were doing where it's kind of like a, you know, like not very good fake
Starting point is 00:35:20 to the running back, like in shotgun. If that's their main concern, then, you know, it's an ambiguous answer. Yeah. But if the run game is their main issue, they're like, our run game wasn't good enough. If that's the problem, then, yeah. I mean, of course, like not having Jalen Hertz be a real threat was a big part of the reason for that.
Starting point is 00:35:40 But the urgency to change it would mean that you know you are not going to have that. You're not just going to go back to that. Part of it is Jalen Hertz is getting older, right? So maybe he's not going to be as effective if he runs. And then, of course, like, the standard discussion of we need to protect him and make sure he stays healthy. So yeah, it's a weird one because the drop-off was so dramatic last year. And Jalen was so adamant that he was doing what was called
Starting point is 00:36:10 and he's willing to do whatever it takes to win. And he mentioned Kevin Petullo by name in multiple programs. press conferences as the reason for the fewer QB design runs. KP, yeah, he said KP. One time he said both KP and Kevin Petula to make sure that you knew who he was talking about. It was like very pointed and it was like he does not want people to think that he doesn't want to run.
Starting point is 00:36:33 That doesn't mean he doesn't, that it's not him, but. Good question in the chat. First time the egos play on Sunday night football this year, will Jordan Milata say stout universe? No, he can't. They won't let him. He can't. He cannot.
Starting point is 00:36:50 He just can't. Like Bob Lang will like tackle him like before he's. Stout still is with the team, presumably, right? If he's still with the team in some capacity, then yes. But if he's not, he just can't. And it's not even, are they going to say anything to the players about wearing the Stoughton University gear? Like that gear is everywhere.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Like, like every time you see George's, of my lot of he's wearing a Stoutland University hoodie or t-shirt or something yeah it's it's this is this is the thing right like it's like when you when it becomes your identity and suddenly it's different what do you do it's a tough one that's a good one now the first time the eagles play on sunday night football will it be in mexico city i hope so is the other question wouldn't that be fun lindsay when i go to mexico city mexico city one of the greatest cities on earth I've been there twice. I also would go to Madrid.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I'm available for Madrid. You're available for Madrid? Okay. Good to know. But that's not a possibility for this year, right? I don't think so. Who's pointing in Madrid? The Bears, I think.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Can we play them? E.J. had tweeted about it, and I immediately texted him like, we go to Madrid. Okay, I didn't realize that it was possible. Okay. Madrid, great town as well. I know where I could be traveling. Mexico City is just like a wildly underrated place.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Oh. incredible place. Also, there's no, there's no, Madrid has no team either way yet. Jimmy had tweeted this. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:20 So there are three ones where the Eagles already could be. One is at Dallas and Rio. That's not going to happen. They're not going to play in Brazil again. They just went to Brazil. Yeah. At San Francisco in Mexico City,
Starting point is 00:38:30 at Jacksonville and London. Those are all road games that are built in. Right. And then there are a feud that Munich, Madrid, and two in London, where they don't have any team announced. We could go to all the M cities. Munich.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Madrid, Mexico City. Let's do it. You want to talk about the schedule now? Since we're talking about it, let's do it. Lindsay, we have those opponents on a graphic. And in addition to the possibility of going to Mexico City and all those fun things, it is worth mentioning that the schedule, at least on paper, at least based on how teams did last year, is easier than the 2025 schedule was.
Starting point is 00:39:09 There are eight games against teams that made the playoffs. There were 11 last year. There are seven games against teams that won 10 games. There were 11 last year. Five games against teams that made the divisional round. There were six last year. And two games against teams that made the championship round. There were four last year.
Starting point is 00:39:27 So on all of those, like it looks easier. But a lot of that, if you look at it, is coming from the fact that the division opponents were so bad. Right? Like none of the division made the playoffs. And so if you look at the non-division opponent, Yeah. I mean, like, you're talking about eight games against teams that made the playoffs
Starting point is 00:39:47 and only three against teams that didn't. Part of that, of course, is because the Eagles won the division, so they're playing against, you know, Carolina, Chicago, Pittsburgh, which, by the way, like, for teams that won the division, not bad, right, exactly. That's a pretty good draw of, yeah. Yeah, but you do have the NFC West as the rotational division. I think the NFC West is the only marginally tough thing there. And the Rams.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Yeah, AFC South is a pretty good draw. Yeah, AFC South with the two playoff teams, but like... Pittsburgh and Carolina is two of your three first place opponents. That's pretty good. The two most fraudulent division winners by a mile being the two that you play because of the number one thing. I think as far as first place schedules go, it seems pretty good. Yes, I agree. And in fact, like I think if you look at the second place teams in those divisions that the Dallas is playing, they're likely to possibly be better like with Baltimore and Green Bay.
Starting point is 00:40:37 So yeah, I mean, you don't know how it's going to be, but, um, it's definitely not as bad as 2023 or 2025 on paper. A lot of it depends on like, do one of the division teams actually rise and get good the way Washington suddenly got good in 2024? Probably. We'll see. One of the things that I always look back at because we talk so much about the strength of schedule and the opponents is how did the Eagles actually do against the teams that were supposed
Starting point is 00:41:05 to be good and how did they do against the teams that we were saying like, oh, those teams make the schedule easy. And it's always like the opposite of what you were thinking like going in. So like example, 2025, the Eagles lost to the Giants who were like, you know, supposed to be the easiest game. They lost to Dallas. They were supposed to be easy. They lost to Chicago who was supposed to be like an easy game.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Denver wasn't one of the hardest games. Like, you know, they lost to them. And then you look at the games that we said were going to be really tough, Buffalo, chiefs, lions. Like the Eagles beat them all. And so, like, and some of them weren't good. Like, and so, you know, it gives us something to talk about now and in May when the schedule comes out. But, like, it almost never matches the, of course.
Starting point is 00:41:51 What we think. So, yeah. All right. Time for our last break. On the other side, let's talk a little flu world order. Whatever else is on the professor's mind. Stick around. 2013.
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Starting point is 00:44:02 We're back. I'm a PHLI Eagles podcast. Breaking news, the professor tells me Baldi went to Istanbul. Yeah, Baldi's like tweeting videos of him walking around Istanbul. I would have been happy to give him advice. He should have reached out. He should have. All right, what do you got for us on the flu world order front?
Starting point is 00:44:19 I always enjoy. I always enjoy a flu world order. Yeah. As the goat returns of the vengeance. Always enjoy it. I made a color-coded graphic of it, which I need to post. But there it is for the show. Now, you had some competition in the Flew World Order Graphic game.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Did you notice this? I did not. I did not notice. I didn't notice. I could pull this up. There's a good sicko who is doing some work. Wow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:39 No, it's all, you know, competition makes us all better. So. Go ahead. Here we go. Okay. From Al Dorado. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good, good first attempt at X-L there.
Starting point is 00:44:51 He's got, he's got average score, high ovariance. I like it. I like it. No, it's very good. He's got the maximum marginal points. Shout out to Al Dorado. No, I like it. That's good.
Starting point is 00:45:03 I need to post mine. He was also first to market, so. Yeah, well, yes, he was. And look, I mean, first mover advantage. Yeah, I've been, I've been in a kind of, in a bit of an Eagles depression,
Starting point is 00:45:12 you know, like I'm a little behind, I caught up. Oh, he won the Super Bowl. Yeah, it sucks. They don't even get to go to the Super Bowl this year. Real bummer.
Starting point is 00:45:22 So, yeah, that's probably well. Okay. But I did make a colorful graphic. Thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah. I was a little surprised that you had AJ Brown so high.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Mm-hmm. I think that's the, the one thing that I wanted to ask you about. Did you see AJ Brown's interview with Beavis and Butthead that got posted yesterday? They were all patriots. Yeah. I mean, I didn't have them that high.
Starting point is 00:45:45 I know there's the thing of like how high you have them here and how likely you think they're going to come back. How many of the people do you actually think are going to come back? It would be a question. I think I had it at the top seven. That includes AJ Brown. I think I had the top six I think are definitely back. Okay. And then AJ was the next tier.
Starting point is 00:46:02 whereas I think he is potentially back I mean the guys who are after him it's like Britain Covey is a free agent and would you agree that at this point from everything he's said he's on the roster right now correct would you say that you had him significantly lower than
Starting point is 00:46:20 Fran and EJ so I'm just I'm just I'm just saying if he is back is there a world in which he is happy to be back convinced somehow by whether it be Sean Mannion or whatever else or is it like he's back and his body language is going to suck
Starting point is 00:46:38 and like he's going to... I think both of those things are possible. Okay. Because if that's the way he's back, then is he just gone at the deadline or something? You know? I don't know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:49 They're not going to just give him away. I think it's like 49 turkeys that he's back. It just seems like enough teams would love to have him that you would think there would be competition and that it wouldn't just be giving him away. But you do then need to replace him and how are you going to go about, doing that. I know you're not a fan.
Starting point is 00:47:09 If you were a fan, would you want him back? I'm not a fan of AJ Brown? No, of the team. If the thing you wanted was the Eagles to win. Oh, I'm not a fan. Oh, I see. Yeah. Would you want AJ Brown back on the team that you want to win the Super Bowl, given how this last year wins? And given, you know, some of the stuff he said, even the way he played. I think so. I think he's a good enough player that you would rather have him. back. Yeah, I think that I think I'm with you, but the fact that it's even a question makes me sad.
Starting point is 00:47:45 As someone who is a fan, I'm sad that I have to, like, you know, like, I do think it's fair to think I don't really want to go through that again. So, you know, if he's going to be happy to be back, that's, that's easily the best solution. I don't even remember why it came up early last year, but I remember saying like, you know, like trading A.J. Brown would be like Dallas trading Michael Parsons. Like it just makes no sense. You shouldn't do it. You should never trade
Starting point is 00:48:10 your best players like that. And if you are, if you do, it's like an organizational failure. And I, unfortunately, we're getting close to that failure. And it,
Starting point is 00:48:20 and it kind of sucks. And, and I think multiple parties are to blame based on what I know. I obviously don't know, like, you know, 5% of what matters. But,
Starting point is 00:48:33 like, there's no reason for AJ Brown to wing, when they say like we're all Patriots like he doesn't have to do that oh I think that's fine he's the he's playing the content game I know he's on he's literally on Beavis and Bud Ed so you're gonna you're gonna have that like thing
Starting point is 00:48:48 but um like it's not just the wink though right it's the wink in the context of like all the other stuff the fact that we know that he asked for a trade when the team was three no or whatever right like wasn't there reporting on that like I mean like things like that just make you as a fan be like what is what do you
Starting point is 00:49:07 want it to look like, you know what I mean? Like yeah, but can't you also empathize? Like, if the team's 3 and 0, there must be a real reason that he still, that he wants to get out, right? I'm just not sure how much of that is like personal relationships. So that's the part, that's the part of it that as a fan of the team, like that doesn't, well, and that's not part of my,
Starting point is 00:49:33 like what makes me happy. As a fan of the team, how much do you care about like relative toxicity of the building. Is it just the winds on the field? Or like, do you care that people in the front office are being treated terribly? Or the people in the locker room? Like, does that matter to you?
Starting point is 00:49:54 It's a very good question. It matters some. Yeah, it matters some. Like, if I'm going to invest all this. By the way, about saying that is the case. That's a theoretical. Yeah. You're saying that's the case.
Starting point is 00:50:02 But no, no, no, I'm just, I know. No, I understand. Like, the stuff I don't see, but I might hear about, Oh yeah, I mean like I've actually like been asked by people Not that the Eagles like have ever approached me Or would like want me to work for them or anything like that But I've been asked for people
Starting point is 00:50:16 Would you wouldn't you love it if you got to work for the Eagles Like in their analytics department or something And I was always like oh God no Like absolutely not Because I love being a fan of the team And there's zero chance that if I worked there And I had to like be exposed to the way things are done Yeah no not at all
Starting point is 00:50:36 And it was like, like, like, the fact that I'm never in that building and don't know anybody there, like, makes it much easier for me to be a fan. I'm perfectly happy coming in here and talking about the team. But, like, I don't want to, I don't want to know more about, like, you know, how much of a jerk, like, certain people are, like, the way people are behind closed doors. Like, that's a big part of being a fan is that you don't know that stuff and that's, and that's better. Right. Or if someone, someone who you really like turns out that they're, like, a real bad person. Yeah, they don't meet you're here. don't meet your heroes, right?
Starting point is 00:51:07 Like, and it's like, and so for me, like, shout out to Bo Jackson's Handler. There you go, yeah, that's a great example. That is such a good example. And, and, uh, that, I felt bad for you. I mean, I totally, I can totally house you that would be. That, that sounded like it sucked. Um, I think like that it matters, but it matters in a way where it's like,
Starting point is 00:51:28 I'm almost intentionally trying to not, not learn about it. You know what I mean? And, and so, um, when it comes. comes to a player being happy on the team, yeah, look, it's more exciting and fun when the team looks like they're having fun too. You know what I mean? Like, like the 2017 team when they won it, like, it seemed like they were so together and all this kind of stuff. And you hear, like, players talk about the 2022 team, and it didn't sound like it was like that at all. I don't know if you heard, like, Fletcher Cox, like, was asked to compare the two. And he was like, what are you talking
Starting point is 00:51:58 about? Obviously, the 2017 team. Like, the 22 team was full of like a bunch of selfish jerks. Like, and it was like, yeah, I basically said that. He was on, I think it was a double. WIP. And they were doing a segment where they were comparing 17 to 22. Okay. And they were, and he was just like, oh, he's like, the question was like, which team would win? And he was like, oh, the 17 team, are you kidding? But then the reasons he gave, and he did not have to. He was not led there at all.
Starting point is 00:52:24 It was like, oh, 22 team. Everyone was after stats. Like, you know, like that wasn't a team at all. Interesting. Yeah, it was interesting. So yeah, you want a team full of guys who look like they care about winning. And that's exactly part of what bothers me about AJ Brown as a fan. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Like, it's like, dude, you've played in one game that you've lost in the last, at that point, when the team was 3-0, he had played in one game that the Eagles lost in the previous 90 weeks, 90 weeks, almost two years, where the only game he had played in that the Eagles lost was the game in Washington when Jalen got hurt. That was it. That was the only game that he played in that the Eagles lost in almost two years. And he's asking for a trade at that point. So it's like, and it's not like he hadn't been contributing at all.
Starting point is 00:53:09 I mean, I think that's also, that's a very human thing. Like you want to get to something and then you get there and then usually you want something else. Yeah, I get it. And he's flat out said, like beating a guy, you know, at the line of scrimmage is like, makes me happier than winning the Super Bowl does. And it's like, I mean, you said it. Like, that's it yourself. I don't have to like speculate that that's the case. You told me that's the case.
Starting point is 00:53:33 So that means that we care about different things. And that makes it a little bit harder as a fan, I think. Okay. I get it, though. I have respect for his professional, you know, his professional goals and, like, the fact that he wants to be great and dominant. And that's what makes him good. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:49 At the same time, it's a team sport. And as a fan, you're rooting for the team to win. So it makes it hard. What else was interesting from FWO? Shocked that you didn't have AJ Dillon last. I think there's a, I mean, you could definitely be a bad. I loved Franz. I loved Franz like standouts.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Like the Ben Van Sumer at 8. Josh Uche at 11. Like I thought both of those were very surprising. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to follow this. I mean, Ben Van Sumeran could just win it for Fran. Like if he comes back. Like that's already a huge.
Starting point is 00:54:26 That would give him like a 14 point lead over E.J. And an eight point lead over you. Yeah. It's just like coming off the injury. I can definitely see him coming back just as a training. camp person. Yeah. And I mean, we know the, you know, we know the typical desire for fullback types in the Shanahan system. Yeah. Is Van Sumeran going to be that guy though? And there's going to be like, uh, man, wasn't that so sad that he missed the season? Let's give him another chance.
Starting point is 00:54:54 Yeah. I was surprised that you guys had Michael Carter so high. It seems like a guy who like, there's no reason for him to be back. But I wish that I had flipped Carter and Van Sumeran. I could see Carter though. To me, Carter is a re-blankenship plan C. Okay. I'm with Fran on Adori Jackson. So Fran had Adori Jackson seventh. You guys had him 15th and 18th? I am
Starting point is 00:55:17 fine with that ranking with Dori Jackson. Okay. I'm not saying like I really want Adore Jackson back or anything, but I can see how he would be like an easy answer to the question of like depth at corner. Like you don't want him to be the starter but you got by with him as a starter.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Yeah. And you would I don't think there's going to be like a big market for Adori Jackson. No, I think you want to find, as I said then, I think you want to find this year's Adori Jackson. They're just going to want to move on from. And who's this year's Adori Jackson? Like another random better area? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Super chats. Subi doops. Bobby Myers. Checking in. Says Daniz has football for dummies so now he can learn routes and replace AJ. Can't be worse than Rager. I don't know why we needed to kill that guy. I have planter fasciitis.
Starting point is 00:56:10 I can really walk, so knowing the routes might not be enough. Better planter fasciitis than Liz Frank. Okay. I'm not even sure what the joke is there, but... Just foot injuries. Oh, yeah, sure. CDP. Aaron Moorhead has Vince Vaughn energy.
Starting point is 00:56:31 Okay. I actually, I could, they kind of look a little bit of like. I can sort of see that. You think everybody, like... That's not true. Other than you and Arthur Smith, you think everyone looks like. That's not true. I think that's a fine take from CDP.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Speaking of Great Cities, I was happy to see Cam Juergens went to Medelline, a fantastic place where we spent a week this last summer to get stem cell treatment, which is very disturbing. How different do you feel like your two separate Medellian experiences were? What do you mean? My two separate? No, yours and Juergens. Yeah, yeah. It's a very good question. We went to see some Libertadores,
Starting point is 00:57:16 which was great. What is that? It's like the South American version of the Champions League. So soccer. Yeah, so we saw National, one of the teams in Medellín play against Sao Paulo,
Starting point is 00:57:30 Brazilian team. Yeah, it was a zero-zero first leg, unfortunately lost in the second leg. But I would guess that he did some sightseeing. while he's down there now. Seems like a curious guy. I didn't get stem cells.
Starting point is 00:57:45 I didn't get stem cell treatment. It must have done something. Yeah, I would think he did. I would think he did something. Beautiful town. I mean, for a town with absolutely no water of any sort, it is shockingly beautiful, naturally. Like, it's like mountains on both sides
Starting point is 00:57:59 and like a valley and they're like, what are they called? Like gondolas, like on wires that take you up to the mountains. And it's just beautiful. Beautiful town. Highly recommended. There you go.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Big rat. And if you need stem cells, apparently that's the place. That's the place to go. If you could get a stem cell infusion into any part of your body, what would it be? So this isn't my answer.
Starting point is 00:58:27 But did you hear about the ski jumping? Yeah, the penis thing? Yeah, yeah, the ski jumping scandal. I don't, I don't fully understand that. Listen, I don't want to turn this into like a, you know, not for kids' show or anything, but how is that the easiest way
Starting point is 00:58:45 to make your penis larger during a measurement is the part that I didn't quite understand. Oh, that's during the measurement. Well, yeah, because they measure and that's how they make your outfit. Right. And I see.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I mean, there are natural ways to make one's penis larger. Yeah, but you don't get it measured erect. You could? I don't think that's... Clearly not allowed. Why? We've done this before.
Starting point is 00:59:08 How is there a rule against that? There's no, there's a rule against injecting it with whatever the hell it was, but. Well, yeah, that makes sense. If they're measuring it, you're not going to measure it erect. It's, it's already weird that there's someone measuring. Obviously. I mean, I'm just saying, like, very weird. The rules, that's not, of course they're not going to do that.
Starting point is 00:59:34 It'd be a huge advantage. Well, very weird sport. Very weird. What are your favorite winner Olympics sports? Good question. By the way, I don't want any curling spoilers because I have the curling recorded. You're big into the curling.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Curling, oh, man, I've just been watching as much curling as possible. Yeah, the men semis. Men semis were both awesome yesterday. The game theory is just incredible. So I was going to ask you. Are there any efficiencies you feel like could be taken advantage of it?
Starting point is 01:00:04 There are some things that I'm surprised. Sometimes they'll try a certain shot and the announcers will be analyzing it And I'm like, it's kind of weird that there isn't, I'm just trying to learn. Like, I don't know enough to criticize what they're doing. But there are some things where I'm surprised that there isn't like a consensus,
Starting point is 01:00:21 where it's like, you know, the best shot in this situation is definitely this. I think one of the things that makes curling so good is that there's always a debate as to what shot to try next. And it seems like there isn't enough to it to have it not turn into checkers where it's just obvious what to do. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:39 And the fact that it is chess, like in Not Checkers, despite the fact that there aren't that many pieces, like there isn't that much space. And it's so much of it is like, can you make that shot, right? Like, it's almost like chess where, like, you don't know if you're going to be able to make the move. And so part of it is like if we miss it, I love the way they're miced up.
Starting point is 01:00:58 That's like my favorite thing. That should be every sport. Should be miced up live. Like it would be so great. Like if you had that. But the reason they're able to do that is because they're willing to talk to. Yeah. like each other about strategy
Starting point is 01:01:10 with the other team standing right there because it's a sequential it's a sequential move game it's not like you know you don't need you need the defense not to know what you're doing it's like they're going to see what you did so like I love that and I love how when they're debating they talk
Starting point is 01:01:26 not only about if we make it this happens but they talk about but what if we miss it it's like if we miss it it's gonna let them score three or whatever so let's not try it and then you see that risk aversion and you see the time and score decisions like I just love it it's so it's so good I tried to get I've run into it I think it was too too slow for him yeah too slow for him but um yeah on DVR it's good you can fast forward to the shot
Starting point is 01:01:49 and stuff like that but okay yeah that's that's my favorite by a mile have you watched the schema i when meaning to watch the schmo that was amazing i'm brandon Quinn wrote a great story about one of the schema athletes okay cool i'll have to check that out um schemo is unbelievable i what Schema is unbelievable. Like a huge part of it is how fast you can pack your backpack with your skis, which is like there should be more backbacks in sports. Like that should be a part of more sports. I thought I really enjoyed the Alyssa Lou routine last night.
Starting point is 01:02:21 That was fun. I don't love figure skating, but I did see Alyssa Lou's. But I really enjoyed that performance. You can tell. You really could tell that she was bringing joy to that thing. For sure. And I loved her like, you know, her yelling afterwards and all that. That was fun.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Yeah. Short track is my other favorite. Short track is very good. That's fun. Now, I normally don't like sports where a judge. It's like the difference between in the summer. Like, the track and field is so much better than the swimming. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:49 It's so much better. Agreed. I normally say that I don't like sports where a judge decides the winner. Short track is the one exception. Like, it seems like the judge always, because there's always a crash. Yeah, yeah. And the judge has to decide. And they never agree.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Like there's always, the announcers are always like, that was crazy. Like, I can't believe they said that, you know. So, but like, just the crashes are so fun that it's worth it to have the judge be like a main character. Ski jumping. Pena stuff aside. The penis stuff is by far the best thing about ski jumping. I don't like it at all. It's hard to, it's hard as a spectator.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Yeah. I don't like, it's hard to tell the differences. Yeah. Same with Luzge or bobsled. It's like, it's very impressive. Exactly. It's like, this is unbelievable, but it's, yeah, it's hard to. If you put a fake clock that was totally wrong, I would have no idea.
Starting point is 01:03:46 I wouldn't be able to watch it and be like, wait, that clock can't be right. Meanwhile, like the, even though I don't understand the scoring, like the big air jumping stuff, that's cool. Like I can, they're doing cool tricks. That's fun to watch. I don't really care about it as competition, but it's fun as entertainment. Yeah, yeah. And I kind of feel that way about figure skating too. It's kind of like ballet where it's like, it's fun.
Starting point is 01:04:05 to watch but I don't know if it needs to be a competition and I know I'm in the minority there like I'm just not I have no problem with it as a competition I just like I can't tell that they've under rotated a yeah yeah sure you know sure yeah I like the anything where they're like competing at the same time crossing a line I like so like the cross the the the like the biathlon and the cross country where they're actually doing it at the same time and not like against the clock yeah all those things are entertaining to me because you can see like who's winning.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Well, yeah, but the long track is an interesting mix of those where you get the one-on-one, but they're still going against the clock, which is kind of weird. See, in the long track, the only one I actually watch is the mass start, which they added, like, in the last Olympics where there's like 20 people skating at once. Yeah. That's what it's all about. I love that. Okay. All right. Lindsay, what's your favorite? We've been watching a lot of curling. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:08 It is kind of nice because you can understand it without having any like knowledge of it really like the whole like get closest. But then when you learn more of the strategy that they do and like how it like offsets and you might like not want to get as close or whatever. Interesting. Something different. It makes me want to go to like the nearest bar that has like one of those shuffleboard things. I feel like I yeah. And just go play some curling. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:32 But like do you know those stones are like super expensive and you can only get them from like a certain island or place? or something. Yeah, apparently there's two places in the world they're from, including this one island in Scotland where they all used to be from. But now there's like a second place because they're running out of stone. Yeah, like a set of them is like thousands of dollars. Yeah, they're 42 pounds each, which is crazy. And like it's kind of like fun because it's the whole like drama like the Canadian team,
Starting point is 01:05:58 you know, like touched in the wrong spot. I love that. I think it's so crazy. There's no refs. Like there's somebody who can come if like they truly don't agree, but it's just like call your own foul kind of thing apparently after the Canada Sweden scandal
Starting point is 01:06:15 they added they added refs to watch for that and they called it a few times and the teams hated it and they got rid of them and I love how like mid-tournament they're like changing
Starting point is 01:06:25 how many reps there are because it's such a like you know it's so based on norms but all right all right all right what are we going to do and the Olympics are over
Starting point is 01:06:39 just depression Look outside and get ready for football season You guys are off to the combine Off to the Combine If you have made it this far into the show You are someone who is a true sicko And you need to know that the schedule next week Is going to be a little bit different
Starting point is 01:06:53 Monday and Tuesday 4 p.m. We will be live Wednesday 10 a.m. We will be live Thursday, Friday back to the normal 2 o'clock time So we will be on the scene
Starting point is 01:07:09 boots on the ground in Indy Monday, Monday through Wednesday. That's why the show changes those days. Howard Roseman and Nick Siriani will speak on Tuesday. We'll tell you everything you need to know about that. And we'll have it covered with all the little whispers that we hear while we're out there. Is there anyone else you're interested in hearing talk?
Starting point is 01:07:27 Yes. Among NFL coaches. Coaches and GMs talk. Right. So there's always a little bit of an eagle's angle with most people. Let's see. No chance of cornering like a Sean Mannion or anything like that. I mean, probably not on the record, but you might hope for a little backroom dealing.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Patriots. Neh. Just talk to him, too. Bills.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Eh. Are you just going through every team? Yes. Dolphins. Kevin Petulow. You really want to talk to Kevin Petulow? Jeff Halfley might have some interesting notes on Sean Mannion. There you go.
Starting point is 01:08:09 That's good one. Okay. No. Jets. What do you think of Lindsay's husband? Steelers. Ravens. Declan Doyle, he's not going to talk, but, you know, hey, Declan.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Why did you give the Eagles the old snub Aruski? Bengals. Browns. Are they ever going to be good? Jaguars. Texans. Colts. Stike.
Starting point is 01:08:49 Maybe Stuyken's got something on Parks Frazier. Titans. Perks Frazier has been here for like a whole year. Titans' dayball would be interesting, unfortunately. We're not going to get them. Broncos. Chargers, again, McDaniel would be good. Chiefs, hey, Andy, why'd you soft fire Matanagie?
Starting point is 01:09:17 Raiders. Ron L. Williams. How excited are you about that edition? Former Nichols coach. Brian Schadenheimer. What do you think about that, by the way, the Ronno Williams thing? Because we haven't talked much about the defensive staff,
Starting point is 01:09:35 but hired Mike Pellegrino. Bubbly move. To probably, that's very good. To presumably just fill out the numbers because Casper is taking over for Christian Parker. Right. But Rono Williams leaving is the assistant linebacker's coach, which if you're listening at this point,
Starting point is 01:09:56 you probably do that. Was that just a promotion for him? I assume so. He was an assistant position coach and now he's a true position coach. Okay. I'll let you continue your list. Commanders.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Adam Peters, you still pumped about giving the Eagles scuba de Jean. Giants. Oh, that's going to be annoying. Do you think they'll let Joe Shane talk? Don't they have to? Oh, okay. Bears.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Declan Doyle again. Packers, Mannion. It's all manion all the time. Next year's commanders, the bears. They're not going to be good. Vikings. Cooper, why did you let him go? What are the Eagles getting?
Starting point is 01:10:54 That one is going to be like half Eagles. That's an interesting. Half Eagles media, isn't it? Yeah. Lions. Panthers. Buccaneers, Grizzard,
Starting point is 01:11:11 Falcons, is this, this is what they tell you for YouTube, right? You want hard-hitting action. Every team. Yeah, lots of stuff. Falcons. Remember that James Pierce trade you made?
Starting point is 01:11:23 Saints, Kellen Moore. Talk about Nick, talking about Jalen Hertz. Seahawks. Rammies, Niners, Cardinals,
Starting point is 01:11:44 Getting Shanahan to complain about two international games. I was going to say 90s, you could ask about Australia. Yeah, I mean, Australia and Mexico City. They have two international games, which there's no way Shanahan's happy about that. He doesn't like playing on national TV. That's what I'm going to say. He doesn't care about traveling. It's the fact that these are going to be island games where people have to watch.
Starting point is 01:12:09 They have to play in front of a national audience. It's going to be so. Do we know? Emotions. If he doesn't like playing in front of a national audience, what's he going to think of an international? Do we know when the Australia game is for sure? Yeah, they said it was either going to be Wednesday or Thursday week one. But we don't know which yet.
Starting point is 01:12:22 They said Seattle's opener as the champion will be whichever one the Australia game isn't. So it's a matter of whether they want the champion to actually be the opener and then it would be Wednesday. Why can't they decide that right now? I'm guessing that the team's going to Australia want it to be Wednesday. So they have an extra day. But the league kind of wants to keep the tradition of the champion opening. So that's probably why they haven't decided. That's just speculating.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Will an enterprising reporter, as someone points out in the chat, ask Adam Peters about his owner's appearance in the Epstein files? I mean, make it happen, man. You're going there. You never know. That'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast. Thanks for hanging in. We will see you Monday at 4 o'clock,
Starting point is 01:13:17 unless there's any breaking news ahead of that. Fran's excited about Frank Reich. You excited about talking to Frank Rick? But he doesn't speak. It's only the head coach. Yeah, but you can find Frank Reich somewhere, can't you? Just put up the bat signal. There you.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Anyway, thanks, Professor. Thank you, E. Thank you. It's fun. Thank you, Lindsay. What did E.J. Do you? Most of all.
Starting point is 01:13:41 Thank you. Looking at you right there. Thanks for hanging this long. Put in the comments. Eagles, uh, Howie Roseman era. Mount Rushmore, who you got? Anyway, As always, we love you.

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