PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Who’s got it better than us? Full Eagles-Chargers preview as Vic Fangio-Jim Harbaugh square off

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

With Jalen Carter out, Vic Fangio will have his hands full trying to get Zack Baun, Cooper DeJean, Quinyon Mitchell and Jaelan Phillips back on track against a physical Chargers offense that may or may not have both Justin Herbert and Omarion Hampton. On offense, how do Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, A.J. Brown and co. bounce back from the ugly performances over the past two weeks? Fran Duffy breaks it all down with the professor Deniz Selman, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O. My Eagles podcast on a beautiful Friday live from the Xfinity Studio. This is presented by Bet365 and Ashley, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith, and the professor with his glass of vodka, ready to go. How are you guys doing? I'm doing great. I love the way that the set looks when there's four people in it. Full set. I know. It's got a lot of energy. And I mean, it feels good to not be in the host chair today. I thought you did a great job yesterday. Yeah, that was great. I appreciate you guys saying that. But, you know, it's a lot more relaxing being on this side of the host of chair. I liked all of the, I liked all of the E.J. Les lore. Oh, yeah. I love Les. That was fun. Yeah, that was a fun show. Enjoyed chatting with Les. Like I said, I gave him his flowers yesterday. He didn't seem to appreciate it. So I won't, I won't belabor at the point. A friend, how are you?

Doing great. Everybody check out the latest episode of the All-City NFL Draft Show. Yeah, thank you. Give a little plug. Yeah, I was joined by Corey Kahn. We went through the three biggest conference title games for college football taking place tomorrow on Saturday. So broke down who the top prospects are, why you should be aware of them.

And then, yeah, just getting ready for the rest to come here in the NFL draft process. Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl announcements. Subscribe to the newsletter. I put a bunch of info on a bunch of those players. It's a free email that gets to. sent to your inbox every Friday morning. Corey starts with a Q, I believe? No.

Qanon? No. I mean, could be. I don't think so. Professor, how are you? I'm doing great. Yeah, doing well. Enjoying the end of the semester.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still available. This is not available on the PHLI. It's still available at Tea Public. You can still get the, I like it a little more than you do. Brand new. Yeah, yeah, for the old heads. What is the context on that one?

That's a good question. I think you know quite well. Oh, yeah, that's so good. All right, let's get into it. Speaking of merch, we match. Oh, you guys. It's a comfortable hoodie, man. It is.

I've been saying it. It's my first time wearing it out of the house because I wear it around the house so much that it ends up in the laundry pile, but I ripped it right off the hangar today and said I'm wearing this in studio today. All right, let's get to it. Because the nature of a Monday night game for us is,

and let's be honest, We've got to come up with some ideas to fill, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. It's a good conversation, a good show. You can't a chance to lean back, but we don't get to talk about the game until Friday when the teams have practiced at least one time. And we've got a nice elongated discussion here. The four of us, we like a forehander. But let's start with the news from the Novacare Complex yesterday, E.J.

As you see there, the rundown, what we're going to talk about, Jalen Hertz, replacing Jailen Carter, the matchup between Vic and Jim Harbaugh. Of course, Deagle's offense against the Chargers D. course we've got swooper coming up, but let's start with what happened at the NovaCare Complex yesterday and what Jalen Hertz had to say, Eugene. Yeah, I found two things from Jalen Hertz's press conference noteworthy. The first one is that he said he spent the extended break really going through past seasons, you know, and he says that that's a normal part of his process. It wasn't like soul searching per se, but I did find it interesting. He talked about

going back and watching a ton of different things, years, games from this season and past seasons to kind of pinpoint the rhythm and the sequencing and what's working. work for them in the past and what's not working for them this season. And he went on to talk about the opportunity that they have in front of them. But I did. I found that noteworthy because you think about the different iterations of the Eagles offense in past years, some of the missing elements that we have talked about this year, whether it's the RPO game or a quarterback inclusive run game. And I do wonder what changes will happen with the offense. I think everybody does. And I think that that is maybe a hint toward maybe getting back to some of the things that they do well.

what do you think about that you look skeptical I look how I feel yeah I definitely feel skeptical it's hard not to when it comes to the Eagles offense in 2025 I hope I'm wrong about it but that's just that's just how I feel about this guy I don't know how much is going to drastically change it is entirely possible that they are able to get out of this rut by you know a.J. Brown you know going up and over defensive backs and you know Devonte Smith or Tequan Barclay, Dallas God, those guys just making plays. But in terms of, like, what is sustainable? I don't know that they're going to be, like,

sustainable changes made to this group in a way that matters down the stretch. I do. I have to veer off topic for a minute because I have some breaking news for the professor. Oh, we need his reaction live. The Turkey playoff group. Oh, yes. Drawn. Okay.

Into group D with the United States. Oh, wow. How about that? God, we've got to put, we got to your sides ripping against each other here. I don't feel great about that. I mean, that's a pretty easy one for me, but, but, yeah. Where do your allegiance is live? I've never supported the U.S. in any international sports.

How do you feel about a potential Turkey U.S. meeting, though? I mean, I've, as a supporter of the U.S. men's national team, I don't feel great about that. You still got the Tune Chai over there? I don't think you should. Tunja is like 50 years old now. Yeah, no, I think I think we'd be fine. Yeah. Turkey are good.

Yeah. A lot of supporters, too. Some good young players on that team, whose names I will not pronounce in front of Dame is because it will probably upset. Yeah, no, this is probably our most talented national team we've ever had. Really? It's just that, like, they're not quite as a team,

as the 2002 team was. The 2002 team was very Galatasaray heavy. They all played together at the club level for many years and had won the UEFA Cup together. And so just adding a couple of guys to that, we got to the semis. That's the last time we were in the World Cup. So, yeah, which was just kind of crazy.

crazy. First have to win the playoffs, by the way. Like, they have to beat Romania and probably Slovakia before we get there. But thanks for that news, though. There you go. Good to get that live. Maybe too, Jay will come back. I thought the draw would be over by the time the show started. It started like seven hours ago, but I guess not. All right, let's get back to it. As for what Jalen said about the running. Yes. This is number two here. Yes. So Jalen was asked about reports that he is the reason, or that it is his lack of willingness to run that is contributing to the lack of quarterback run games that run the lack of like the quarterback inclusive run game that we have seen in years past he says he first was curious where the question was coming from and what the report was but

then he went on to say i've always been focused on doing what it takes to win i've always put my energy on trying to bring the game plan and the strategy that week to life i'm going to continue to do that and professor it is not just the quarterback inclusive part of the designed running game has disappeared, but lately he's also been scrambling with us. Yeah, I think we have a graphic for this, Lindsay, that shows Jalen's non-targets on dropbacks, and that's something that I've been talking about, and we've been tracking on the show for a couple of years now. Friday's game against the Bears was the first time in Jalen Hurts' career that he threw the ball on every dropback. Not a single sack or scramble.

It's the first time in his career in any game. And like you said, Bo, we've talked about the lack of design run game. he's scrambling much less it's it's around five and a half percent since week two that was nine percent in his career coming in and it's also hard to not notice from that chart if we could just look at the chart one more time the blue uh is sacks and if you look at that the last four games are the lowest sack games two of them no sacks at all the lowest four sack games uh since the uh are the four since the buy and it makes you wonder like is that was that a focus during the buy. Like, hey, let's, um, Franz, uh, chuckling at the way I'm pronouncing sacks. What else is the

opposite? Like in last four weeks. Uh, oh, I see. Yeah. Uh, in, in terms of, in terms of, like, focusing on being risk averse and avoiding turnovers, like, did they really sit down at the buy and say, we also have to avoid sacks? Like, it's like, you know, like, like, how risk adverse can you be, right? And it's not just looking at the numbers. The film says the same thing. We, we spent all this time on the show talking about all the chipping against the Dallas Cowboys, who don't even have good eddressers. It chipped 13 times on Jordan Milata's side. Like, it's not just that Lane Johnson's out.

So it's a disturbing trend to see that, like, they're being even more careful about things. And we're talking about Jalen unleashing in and running and all these things. And it's like, meanwhile, like, we're seeing seemingly an approach that involves even being even more careful. I don't know. I don't know what to think about it. When you watch it, do you feel like that is by offensive design, or does it look to you like it is Jalen doing making these decisions that's that's tough to say yeah but the chipping was definitely I mean that was certainly especially because at the podium

Jalen was curious why that question was being asked to him he seemed like you know where is this coming from do you mind for the listeners who are not familiar and specifically those of us up here who don't understand football what is chipping by the way I just want to say about that I just wanted to thank everybody who said nice things about me after that, and I really appreciate those people. I don't want my silence on the topic to seem like I don't want to

acknowledge all the nice people, so that's all. I mean, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I like football. I like football. Chipping, meaning using the running backs and tight ends to help block the edge rushers, help the

offensive tackle, so block like the outside half of the edge rushers. That's not something that the Eagles have done at a high rate at all, and it was especially noticeable in that Dallas game, how often they did it, but they've been doing it an increased rate over the last month since the bye week. And we've talked all year about how they're keeping more people into protect than ever before in the Jalen Hertz era.

And just so you know, the running back is the person who gets the ball handed to him behind the line of scrimmage. And I've heard he doesn't really matter. I don't think it needs to be all show, but. Half the show. Just when I just think we need to lean into it a little bit. Okay, so my thought here is, yes, the absence of Jalen as a runner has affected the offense, but I feel like it is a little bit of a misdirect.

Like, it is not really the only thing wrong with the offense. You know what I mean? Like, the fact that they're not designing more Jailen runs, and what would really be realistically, like, four extra plays a game, is not, you know, the reason that they can't throw the ball. Yeah, I think, I completely agree. I think that it is the, like, it is symptomatic of how many things they've taken away from this offense, how much they've paired this offense down, and it seems like they're at a point where it's gone too far.

I mean, it doesn't seem. They have gotten to a point now where the offense has become so rudimentary. And I don't know, maybe I overstate because I spent years hearing running backs talk about how important it was that Jalen was part of the run game. I do think that it is a contributing factor to where they are in the run game. And the thing I wanted to say about it is, like, the last few weeks you've kind of heard hints, you know, frame your skepticism with what I said earlier about, you know, Jalen Hurts hinting at some of the things that they did before with sequencing and timing. Like, we've heard hints that the quarterback run game is coming. You know, it's something that maybe they say for later in the year, something that they're excited to integrate more. But we haven't seen it, you know, and it's harder to believe that it's something they're going to embrace.

So I've seen a couple of good draws the last couple of weeks for what that's worth. there's the quarterback draw that set up the scoring drive, and that is like an example of why it feels like it should be a bigger part of what they do. I wonder if maybe as a stakes rise, they start to be more willing to do it. But again, it's like I've kind of been waiting for that for like a month now. And don't forget, half of the offense was running quarterback draw on the two-point conversion as well. So, you know, that should count as a half draw. Maybe. I mean, we should ask someone who covers the sport full-time and what they feel about it. No, I think that when to me, when I look at it, I've been thinking about this offense a lot this

week and just like kind of sorry to hear that offense is when the the team that has the ball so when this team you know when I think about this group this group and you know the the evolution from 24 to to what we've seen so far this year it does start with their inability to run the football yeah right and that to me is the one thing where I look at I'm like I don't know that that's going to change and so all right if that doesn't change what does that mean for everybody else and one of the big things that we've talked about with when you don't have the it's not even just how many carries Jalen Hertz has, it's how often do they call concepts where he could keep it and does the defense respect his ability to keep it. And the fact that we have seen over the last few weeks,

oh, they're doing a little bit more in terms of like the potentially the option run game and more RPO's, but them scaling that back as much as they did this year has caused defenses to key and more on Barclay and more on the run game. And if the offensive line is not as good, all of these things kind of stack on top of each other, the past game, as we've talked about, the frustrations with the past game they've been the frustrations with the past game over the last few years like that hasn't changed that's the only aspect of the offense that hasn't changed

it's just that it's more in the spotlight now because all those other areas are taken away. Can I just say like I want to introduce like both things can be true here because I think that let's say that it is a Jalen Hertz or maybe an organizational decision that he's not as big of a part of the run game

I think especially you know right after like with the Bears game as an example there are different levers you can pull to open up the run game and keep safeties from flowing down into the box and selling out to stop the run game that the Eagles have. So it is like it's kind of like the coaching staff can also be culpable here, but they do have answers that we've seen them use in the past that they're not using in this season. I think part of what happened too is like the under center stuff, the more like Calcutera blocking on counter, like those kinds of things were like they were just going so badly that this last. game against the Bears I mean we saw like there weren't that many runs but most of the runs were out of the shotgun with Jalen at least sort of pretending to read like there's

usually a back there's usually a tight end blocking the backside edge that's been the case really since Jalen got hurt in Chicago like 21 half of 22 they were running true zone read where there was no one blocking the backside edge and Jalen was just reading him it was interesting watching Chargers film this week like because the Chargers do that like the Chargers still do that like where they really don't block the backside edge at all and Herbert just reads him and it was like oh this is what the Eagles used to look like right like but that hasn't been the case really since the end of 22 so now then the question becomes like do you have something where you know

Jalen is reading at least like the scraper coming over the edge like that kind of thing we did see that against the bears like so and there was a stretch of like three runs out of no huddle where like that's that's what it was and there were there were almost none of the under center like you know calcutera on the field like type stuff so maybe a sign also like talking about things where he can read, I mean, the RPO's, the first six drives, the Eagles had two successful plays in the passing game, and they were both RPAs. They were the girl flat RPO that we've seen since 21, and then the variation where you threw it to DeMonte Smith, like, on that slide RPO, I mean, it's a little disturbing that, like, the stuff that's working is the old stuff. Like, only the old

stuff is working, but you can't build the whole thing out of it. Like, they kind of tried that in 23, and it didn't work. So the question is, like, how do you, but, you know, mix it up? I don't think they are in such a bad place right now that maybe they should just only use the old stuff and hope to be average because at least they know how to run the old stuff. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying, like, let's just run Hank every play. But, like, honestly, I think the Spares game, basically,

that's kind of what it was. Like, it was a lot of, like, Hank on one side, you know, slant flat on one side, spacing on the other. It was a lot of, like, those RPO's that worked. And then they came out of the third corner with the two backs. It's like, oh, we're going to have him. There was a wrinkle, and it went terrible. There was that, like, three-game stretch where they did all the under-center stuff.

And they just went away from it. Like, every under-center play-action play is a disaster now. Like, the one that Fran broke down on the dagger, like, is a great example of Jalen's not comfortable with it. Like, he's, like, starting to throw the ball, like, three seconds too early on the play. Like, it's like, I think the coaches are thinking, like, okay, that stuff's not working. What do we do? I don't know, friend, if you have solutions. That's why when I hear them say, like, oh, like, you know, we're going to turn off, not turn our

a new leaf, but we're going to try some new things. I don't know what's left because they did into all these other areas. They've constantly shifted and changed what their priorities are in terms of what their identity could be with this passing game this year. There's only so many ways you can utilize five eligible receivers. And they've tried all these different things. Or four. Yeah. You can go pure quick game. You can start doing, they're not doing the intermediate stuff. Maybe that's what it is. Like, finally, they're going to start attacking the intermediate area of the field. But I don't know. I'm out of answers for what I think they could try and evolve into, it's a tough group to talk about.

This has to be messing up, like, everybody's approach to work, right? Like, I mean, like, Nick was on WIP on Tuesday, and he said, I wrote this down because I was like, that's a disturbing quote. He said, we're working like crazy to get things going the right way. It hasn't happened yet. And I was just thinking, like, and Jalen said similar things, like, every week. And it's like if the two main faces of the team are, like, repeatedly saying they're trying to find their identity and find the right path.

and it hasn't happened, like, I'm not sure how that would affect the rest of the group, right? Like, on both sides of the ball, like, whether it be assistant coaches, players, like, basically everybody, when you're not sure if the head guys will ever figure out the right path, right? Like, if I'm working on a ship and I think the captain is, like, heading us towards an iceberg or, like, we're going to starve to death, like, you know, I might try harder at sweeping the deck or whatever the hell my job is. Like, you know what I mean? It's like every, like, even if you're not on the offense, you would be like, you know,

these guys aren't going to. And I've heard more and more defensive players are starting to talk about the offense, too, like whether they're asked about it or not. Not in the finger-pointing way, but, like, you know, I'm sure they're going to figure it. No, but I think that's a very human thing. I'm sure that there are people. Like, BG was talking to you about the team, and he, like, he was like, oh, they're going to figure it out on offense.

And it's like, you didn't ask them about the offense. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, like, at times I'm thinking like. How do you guard against, like, having that tension between the defense and the offense. And he said, well, you know, it's up to the leaders. But, like, those stuff, that stuff is said. Like, you have to jump on it when it's said, but that stuff is being said. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I mean, how can it not be?

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And remember, this deal is exclusive to our listeners and frames sell-out fast. So order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. All right, we're back on the P-H-O-Y Eagles podcast. And this is a fun match-up that I feel like we haven't, you know, talked about quite enough. It's the first time that Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio are going up against each other since they were together in San Francisco.

How do you expect this matchup to... What are the fun, you know, X's a no nerdy things going on here? It's thrown a little bit out of whack for a couple different reasons, mainly like injury-wise. We're not even 100% sure who's going to play quarterback. And that's a big part of it. And even if Justin Herbert is in there, what is the look of this offense? How does it change? Because as Danez pointed out earlier this week on social channels, because he does like football,

that Justin Herbert, after the injury, after the hand injury in the first quarter, did not once go under center. This is a team that does like to go under center. This is a team that runs a lot of play action, pretty much of their fifth in the NFL right now in play action rate, and most of their effective play action has come with him working from under center as opposed to the gun. And so if they're not able to do that at a high level, how does that impact the game? Yeah, we can get into like the run game stuff of it, but it is a fun matchup, Harbaugh. Are you a little bit curious about Greg Roman putting together like a Tray Lance-specific quarterback run game plan? Yeah, that could be fun.

From an X&O standpoint, that could be very fun. Yeah, a little different. Vic Fangio did mention the usage of pistol formations as a possibility with Justin Herbert's hand and said that, like, I mean, I'll trust the two football likers here, but said that defending pistol formations is not that different than under center. I feel like... So pistol is... It's like a half-shot gun.

You should be looking at the football leg. It's when you bring a gun to the field and shoot the other team. Jeez. What movie is that? Last Boy Scout? Did we say that? I think Fran and I want to get out of this conversation

as quickly as we can. To follow up on what Fangeo said about the pistol, I'm probably the only one here who watched the Greg Roman press conference this week. Okay, he said that you can still run a lot lot of the offense out of pistol and out of shotgun. He said the eye formation was really the only thing that they can't do that they like to do normally that you have to scrap completely. And then Jim Harbaugh said that there may be some short-yarded situations where they want to run

some of those things. Well, they will bring Tray Lance into the game just to handoff. So we could see a lot of Tray Lance like, you know, in short-yarded situations just so they can run some of their under-center runs. So they are, they normally only play 4% pistol, which is like upper half of the league, but like 4% is not very much. That's like two to three plays a game. And they would have to, yeah, under center. They would have to, yeah, under center. They are normally around 30% which ranks 21st, but still, that's a lot. I mean, and situationally, it's 30% of all plays, but situationally, there are certain plays that they always ran from under center that even in this last game, they said that, for example, there was one play that they had to

run, that they were supposed to run out of pistol, and Greg Roman said that they got it crossed up and they ran it out of shotgun and it didn't work at all for that reason and it's because it's a play call that's normally under center and so but you know with a full week to to get all that stuff sorted out I don't think that'll be a major issue now up front Fran this offensive line has has dealt with a lot of injuries yep but I mean we saw the Eagles offensive defensive line get pushed around last week and now they're going to be without Geelan Carter yeah how do you feel about this matchup it'll be interesting to see because they've they've had to cycle in there on tackle like four and five right now or three and four right now so as they lose rayshan slater in the first week of

the season joe all was hurt and then came back then got hurt again uh so there and then they trade for uh Trevor penning from the saints they start him once he was bad so they sent him to the bench he was the sixth offensive lineman and he played a couple snaps in those jumbo packages last week but uh what you're seeing now is jimari sawyer at left tackle tray pipkins at right tackle both guys not necessarily like people movers off the ball run game probably more past game focus that said like there are reps of mackay beckton like moving guys off the ball and he's at right guard and you can see the work that he can do at the point of attack bradley bozeman is the center he is more like all right i want to get hands on you and try and move you off the ball he's not

really athletic he's not fast off the ball like there are things that uh you know he can do well the athletic is a portion of his game is not where he's going to stand out so um that I think if you look at the interior three, yeah, they're going to try and see if they can get some movement here against this Eagles defensive front without Jalen Carter. I look at it more like schematically, they don't do, they're not a big motion team. So when you look at what do, what do they do? Less than the Eagles even. Less than the Eagles. Yeah, now part of that, you know, there's different things that you can take away from that because in the past they have been, you know, Greg, you look at Greg Roman and Harbaugh, like they've been very good like with motion and the use of that.

So, you know, maybe with, if Trey Lance is in there, that becomes a bigger factor. But when I look at this, not another unscotted look. The unscotted looks, that would be tough. That's not a VickF. I know. It's like never something. So right now, this Chargers run game, they are fourth in EPA per carry. They are seventh in success rate.

So it's been a successful run game. They're 22nd in DVOA. I would imagine, Dana, you think that's probably opponent-driven? Yeah, for sure. when you look at there's a there's a discrepancy with both their offense and their defense between EPA per drive and DVOA and I'm guessing that that's that's mostly because like six then I have sixth in success rate 11th in EPA per rush and yet 22nd in DVOA so now part of that could be because of the scrambles so where you and I pulled the success rate in EPA stuff probably

different yeah they've been a very Justin Herbert's been a really good scrambler this year That is something you have to take into account. When I look at the, this is very similar to the Chicago. Yeah, mine definitely does not include scramble. Yours does not. Nine. Okay, yeah. My might have included scrambles.

Outside the tackle box, and we talked about this last week with Chicago, the difference between inside runs, they were not effective. Outside runs was their bread and butter, and that's where they gashed the Eagles. It was a lot of these, like, perimeter run plays, even the ones that cut back, they initially are outside runs. The chargers are built the same way. They are first an EPA per carry. on outside the tackle runs, they are third and success rate outside the tackles.

And that's where the Eagles have struggled over the course of this season. Since the by week, they have allowed 3.7 yards per carry, that's second fewest in the NFL. But outside the tackles, it's 5.9 yards per carry, fourth most during that span. The Chargers, they could potentially be getting O'Mary and Hampton back, their first-round pick. This is a guy that's got that ability to force mistackles. But even with him out for the last couple months, they've gotten pretty good productivity from this game obviously Kamani Vidal is a second year back and honestly Jared Patterson is cut from the same cloth he's been their second ball carrier both guys undersized shorter kind of like grinded out

like force miss tackles you know tough to get to the ground good vision good to stay you keep you on schedule but not like breakaway runners and that's kind of what you're looking at with both those guys and a lot of their outside runs are those pinpole runs too it's not just outside zone you know like they'll do the center guard pinpole if you put a nose over the center they'll just pull both guards then. They'll do that leaving the backside edge unblocked and having Herbert read him. Now, how do you feel about, I know you talked about

a little bit yesterday, but the defensive tackle depth right now, do you think you know, Byron Young is up to the task of getting on the field because he's been pushed around a little bit? I mean, I'm not going to go as far as Les did yesterday. I'm not going to say, yes, Lesz really does not like Barron Young. Ty Robinson can't get on the field.

He seems like such a nice guy, like he's gone through so much. Like, what did he do to Les? I know. I just think Les, less, you know, he's got a concerning eye. Can we get Kay Paul back in the mix? I mean, or. E.J.'s been on the Ty Robinson train. It would be nice to see Ty Robinson.

Yeah. Inactive for the last four games. He's clearly going to be active now. Yeah, I don't know if I'm on the Ty Robinson train so much as what we've talked about on the show. Like, he's a, like, he was supposed to be, like, a day one, like, plug-and-play type of prospect. He's not, like, a theoretical high-upside player.

Yeah, it was that he could get on the field early. The fact that he hasn't, yeah, I asked Vic about it, and he said, And he said, possibly. So, I don't know. He's played 35 snaps all year. I mean, he's not played a single snap. And how many snaps? I would have guessed the under.

The fact that it was 35. Wow. Yeah, I mean, he played 19. It was like a three-gated stretch. In the blowout loss to the Giants, he played 19 snaps because he was on the field for that last entire drive where they kept running it, like in the damage time. So that's like, that's like all of his. I don't know. It's not like we.

I mean, it was like a blowout. It's not like we've seen. But the times we've seen him, whether it's training, or in the limited sample size against the Giants in that game. Again, an ugly game, but it's not like he's looked like a total liability or anything like that. So, I'm not surprising. The Eagles defense has been on the field 68 plays per game, which is six more per game than last year. In addition to that, they're playing a lot more base than last year.

Like last year, they were playing nickel even against big personnel. This year, they've been playing base against big personnel 70% of the time, which is above league average, which means more snaps for the defensive tackles. Not only that, but there were six snaps of nickel last week where Vic, one of the adjustments he made against some of the stuff the bears were doing is he took Jalen Phillips off the field because he was just like chasing motions and things like that

and replaced him with a third defensive tackle, which inflated the defensive tackle snaps even more over the 87 snaps. And so that's why we saw Byron Young out there for 38 snaps. Without Jalen Carter, playing and like what's it going to look like just watch watch the second half last week that's pretty much what it's going to look like jalen carter was not out there for early downs in the second half so he would come on on third down but he he missed 26 snaps last week which is way more

than he normally misses and it's not only because the game went long it's because in terms of number of plays it's also because they were managing him in the second half like he was not out there for first down or second down at all the entire second half so that's what it's going to look like, and it didn't look pretty. And do you think they're going to do, they're going to give Morrow the Jailen Carter treatment where he has to play 95% of the snaps? That'd be my guess. I mean, really? I mean, what in what world? Like, what would make you think they're not going to do that? I, my only, I'm not saying I disagree with you. It's just as daunting to think about. Well, Dylan Carter's missed games. We can just look at those, right? Against the Giants in week six,

there were 69 snaps and Morrow O'Dimo played on 62 of them. So yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's like with player like Jalen Carter you understand it it's he's a special player and last year we talked about it like a tire Jalen Carter was still more dominant yeah than a fresh defensive tackle on a rotation moro Jomo listen I mean nobody here has been more bullish on moro Jomo the season than me but like he's not a player that you just want to like run into the ground like a tired morrow ojomo versus a fresh tie robinson I don't know I mean they chose to do that with over a fresh moro jomo last year yeah exactly yeah you were making my point I was waiting for you to argue against my argument here, but no, I, yeah, I just, if anything, like, this should make

them want to lean more into a rotation, but it's not, yeah, but it's not how, you're right, it's not how much, it's not. I mean, like, I'm not going to go as far as less than either, but, like, Byron Young, you could tell who was a backup out there when Byron Young was out there, and also Jordan Davis. Sorry, but I didn't hear what you said, but given the look on your face, I'm thinking I'm glad. I'd like to say, Thomas Booker could come in handy right now. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, we're going to see him next week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, they needed Jacoria and Bennett. I'm curious, friend, if you would agree that Jordan Davis, he had a great game in, like, spurts in the last game, he made a few plays.

But he seemed to be upright a little more than he normally is. Like, he's out there for 59 snaps in that game, and, like, that's not something that you want. I think those guys got worn down. Yeah, absolutely. For sure. And, I mean, look, you can blame the offense for the fact that they're out there for all those plays. But one thing to say about this defense, like, this. year this defense in terms of consistency metrics has not been good i mean like they were third in series

conversion rate allowed last year meaning they were getting off the field at the third highest rate they're down to 17th this year like this defense is not has not been good in terms of like you know success rate their 15th in success rate 17th in series conversion rate not terrible for the people out there who are not as familiar with serious conversion rate is when you have a first down do you move the sticks we have this correct or not right so like when you when you move you the sticks it is a series converted regardless of which down it's converted on whereas success rate is just like on a per play basis and this is the first year well I'll let you guys guess when's when do you think the last time is

that the Eagles allowed a higher series conversion rate than they got themselves on offense because this year both the offense and the defense are below average in this metric when do you think the last time is that the defense was worse at preventing the sticks from moving than the offense was at moving the sticks. Twenty-three? Twenty-twenty. I mean, the fact that you're asking is not twenty-th. I feel like twenty-twenty is a safe. It is not twenty-twenty. Wow. Twenty-fifteen. Fourteen. Keep going. Twelve. Keep going. Mm. Bad eagle seasons. I mean, are we talking like five? I'll give you like five. Mike

McMahon. Look, 2005 is the last time that the fan experience of like you celebrate every first down. right you like do the first down point you're like yes fist pump and when you when the defense gets off the field you celebrate that this is the first time in 20 years that the experience of watching the Eagles has involved fewer of those celebrations than the other team is getting you know what I mean like like overall for the whole game which is crazy like the 2020 team was terrible and yet like at this metric like it was it was bad in like you know loud explosives things like that but but still that team converted more first downs on a per series basis than they allowed. So, wow, that explains to some degree. That's still the key. Yeah. So no, no, no, no, no. This year is worse. I'm saying 2005 was the last

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this year, the offense is converting 69%, which is really bad. Below 70 is really bad. Yeah, it's not nice, unfortunately. And then the defense is allowing, like, around 70, around 72. And that doesn't sound like a big difference, but that is a big difference. Like, because the number of series you get like that's like that's a whole extra stop per game you know like that kind of thing typically you get around 25 26 series per game so 3% worse is like one less that's converted think about like a key third down in the game where are you going to get a stop or not like it's like you're not getting that stop and the other team is so just so you know each team gets 10 yards that they have to get it and get four downs to get it and if they get 10 yards then they get another first down

I was going to say it's really impressive that this guy understands so much about football because because he also understands mathematics and game theory. Like, I didn't think you could know both. There are 100 yards in the field. They don't call him Wharton Boy for nothing. And it feels, actually, it's interesting because you would think that that means you can only get, like, at max 10 first downs. But it's actually infinity first ones you could get based on penalties. I am enjoying this.

Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. We've got to take another break. We got a lot more to come on this episode A little bit more on this side of the matchup Before we flip it back to the depressing side of the ball On the Eagles offense

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Landon, I thought, looked really good, like, maybe four games ago, maybe three games ago. He's been awful the last two games. Like, and, like, he's just been terrible. Like, and I think it's worth saying that because, like, it's like, you see a play get blown up, and it's like, man, who was that? And it's, it's, it's Linden a lot, and we know how good a player he is, so it has to be because of injury. Like, and we've said this all year, so. We keep talking about Les, but Les shared a clip of Landon in a couple of days.

ago. It might have been last week. And he said, Landon's out there running like me. Like me, yeah. Not how you white shouldn't laugh, but it's funny. Yeah. All right, very quickly to close the book on the other side of this matchup, you like a, you like a McConkey? I do. Yeah, I mean, he's a good, he's a good player. And he's, so they spread the ball around. I think a lot of people coming into the season, it was his second year. They kind of thought, right, he's going to be the guy in the offense. They are, is this the best possible white-on-white matchup in the NFL right now. In terms of athleticism. But it only dies in the

outside. Or, you know, athletic skill players. I mean, yeah, there's that's easy, for sure. Actually, hold on, I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I think so. Probably, right? Yeah, Laudecque v. Cooper DeGine. Yeah. I think so. I mean, what is,

what was like the, what's one that gave you pause? I was just thinking if there was another receipt. Well, I mean, it's definitely Cooper to she. Yeah, it's definitely Cooper to Sheen. I was thinking of it. Yeah. Like, is it more interesting if like Christian McCaffrey is flexed out, but I feel like McCaukey's got a little bit more juice

at this point. McCaffrey versus DeGines interesting. I like that one. What if you made it like offensive and defensive line as well? Like, are you doing like an Aidan Hutchinson, Joe Alt, maybe? Is Joe Al's the most athletic white tackle in the NFL? I mean,

Lane. Lane Johnson against Max Crosby would probably be Yeah, but that's a little more power. And it's also a nice, yeah, it's not as, yeah. I think Lane and Aidan Hutchinson, that's a good one. That's up there. Yeah, but there are more white linemen. That's less of an interesting matchups.

Less, yeah, less rare. The Chargers have four players with at least 500 receiving yards. Chris, like, let's get that. We have at least four white guys. Four players with at least 500 receiving yards this year. That's the most in the NFL. So, you know, you look at Ladmaconki. He leads the way, but then you have Keenan Allen,

Arronday Gatson, and Quentin Johnson. All four of these guys have at least 500 yards this year. They spread the ball around. Talk about the injuries up front. This team is throwing everything at the wall in terms of like, all right, what can we do to try and continue to move the ball? They've had sustainable offense. Danes has all these fancy numbers,

and he did a great job in terms of pulling them all together, which is impressive considering he doesn't do this full time. We're just going to keep doing this. And E.J. thinks he's got better numbers than you. Right. Of course. They are fifth in the league in 21 personnel. They are third in the league in 22 personnel. They lead the league in 20 personnel. They lead the league in 20 personnel. They are fifth in the league in 21 personnel. They are they all have all these different personnel groupies. And they say, all right, like, what are the different things that we can do to be able to throw out of this, to be able to run out of this? We talk about the play action. They go into the pistol. They go into the gun. And they find ways to be effective. Stay on schedule. And then you have Justin Herbert, who, who, was able to make some of these big explosive type of throws. It's not like the checkdowns to keep him on schedule. He is able to now pay off that the rest of the offense being on schedule

with now getting some of those explosive plays back. So it's a formidable group. Yeah, the personnel diversity is really strange. Like someone in the league has to be first in 10 personnel and 20 personnel, but they're at like 6% 10 personnel and 4% 20 personnel, which is the highest numbers I remember ever seeing in any year from any team. I'm like, that's 10% of the snaps where they don't have a tight end on the field. No one else does more than like 3% of that, you know, like, it's a, it's a weird approach.

Somebody on the Discord asked me, like, you know, this was like midseason, you know, maybe like week six, week seven, and it was like, oh, like, how come the Eagles don't run more 10 personnel? I was telling you, I think it was during 12 personnel stuff. Remember Julio? Yeah, it was like, oh, how come the Eagles don't just try and put all four receivers out there? And I was like, honestly, like, that happens a lot less than you think it does, you don't really do it. And I was like, there's only been 37 reps of it all season.

And I looked, and I was like, the charges are 30. that's really weird but yeah this is the personnel variance there is very interesting their target share 70% of Herbert's targets go to wide receivers and that is the most in the league so they throw to wide receivers more than anyone else

in part perhaps because there's no tight on the field so much of the time that's really high like the second highest is Jacksonville at 66 so that's that's high and then 15% of the targets are between the hashes which is third most and then where are you on Herbert

he's a good player yeah he's a good player he's taking a beating this year i've got some of the numbers there in terms of like sacks and pressure rate and qb hits and stuff like that he's in the top five in most of those things so i think when you're looking at him i mean he's he can beat you inside structure the way that he's able to manage the pocket and make throws to all three levels really really impressive he's got obviously the armed talent is absolutely there but then outside of structure he i mentioned that we talked about the scrambling earlier he's doing that at a very high rate and at a very high clip this year in terms of his overall efficiency when he does take off he can make you pay with his legs there was so Robert May is I think going into last year so the

year one of this regime so you know talked about like what he would like to see from Justin Herbert I get this the framing is it's funny but like I get it he was like I want him to play like 10% dumber in terms of like don't be so careful with the ball like because he was he was I'd like to say that from Jalen no question it was like I want you to play like I want you to play you to risk, to take more risk, and that's what you're seeing now with this version of Justin River, you know, this year, he's willing, and you saw it last year as well, he's testing tight windows, he's putting those guys in position where, like, yeah, go make a tough throw over the middle, you know, go make a tough catch over the middle. So I think when you're looking

at this offense, yeah, they can beat you in a lot of different ways. It manifested itself, I thought, like, in both directions on one of the early drives last week against the Raiders, like, he has 10 interceptions this year. Like, you know, he's throwing interceptions. He has a rocket arm, obviously, and he trusts it a lot. And you see there was a play on a third down where he threw like a dart on an out route to the wide side of the field where a lot of quarterbacks don't throw it, which is why Vic Fangio is playing and Dori Jackson out there, right? Because he knows, like the wide side of the field, you're not going to get as many of those. But then on the same drive later, they get to the red zone. It's

third and goal from the two-yard line. He throws that same out route to McConkey and it gets intercepted, right? So that's going to be like an opportunity for the Eagles defense to get turnovers. Like he will, E.J., how many targets on Marcus Epps starting? Ooh, it's a good one. I would say 65, 70. That's all right. I think I'm right. I'd go higher.

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Yep. Charges defense. Also a little bit banged up, right? but what do you see uh it's a fun defense they do a lot of it's a very zone heavy a lot of split safety cover four early downs uh when you get to third down they get funky with like their front looks and that's when they'll turn up the heat a little bit but it's not a lot of blitz it's not a lot of not a lot of man until you get the third down with both that both aspects of it uh they're top five in the league right now in three man rushes their top five in league and

sim pressures so all those things that the eagles had trouble with and the first half of the year that we talked about on a weekly basis. The Chargers do all of that really well. You get into all the numbers of like, all right, what are Jalen Hertz's numbers versus zone versus man? That comes into play in this conversation. What are Jalen Hertz's numbers throwing the ball against split safety defenses? They're not very good. Again, that's what the Chargers do very well. A decent amount of disguise as well. A lot of disguise. I actually went through one exercise that I went through last night, as I was watching the Lions Cowboys game, I just went when I looked at all of the coverage rotations

on third down, to watch all these snaps. And they do a lot of cool, funky coverages. And a lot of it, honestly, I wouldn't even say we're creative, like, oh, look how they rotated out into this version of cover two. But it was like they're going to show too high. They play so much too high that you think that it's going to be too high.

But then they rotate out and it's cover one robber and they're really aggressive. And there's a potential for an exchange blitz with that, right? So they have a lot of high body's up front along the defensive line. A lot of guys, you know, and they'll play a lot of the, like, three defensive end rush packages where you've got three potential rushers with one defensive tackle, and then one of those

rushers drops out because they've got three athletic guys, so one of them will drop against the running back, and then Diane Henley blitzes, or Derwin James. People of ball lovers, ball knowers love a Diane Henley. I mean, he was on my team when we did the 32 team draft back in the summer. The reason why I won that exercise, Handily, by the way. But I think when you're looking at this defense, they, prevent explosives. They don't give up deep balls. They're often at all. The run defense has been below average to middling. So this should be a team. 25th in run DVOA, right? Yeah. And they've also

faced a pretty easy slate of offenses. I mean, they're seventh in EPA per drive, but 15th in DVOA. And yeah, 25th in run DVOA. Where does Jesse Minter rank in the order of your favorite sons of guys who were on Chip Kelly staff? Okay. I'm trying to think of who I would have ahead of him. Any reason why I would not have number one? I'm going Jake Stoutland. Like a Jake Stoutland?

I like a Jake Stoutland. Kyle Shermer. Okay. Jesse Minter, number two. Kyle Shermer is listening to the program. He's like, wow. That's all I got so far. I don't know.

Yeah, that might be it. I don't know the names of Phipps children. Yeah, I don't know, like Shait Tierney's kids or anything. Yeah, does Ryan Day have a son? I don't know. Doris. Yeah, they have children, yes. Yeah, I don't know where they're back on.

Mun and Frye. And satyr. That said, yeah, I mean, this is a class where I'm one. Sunday was right there for me, and I didn't even land it. Mun, yeah. But when I look at this defense and what they, do well in some of the areas where they're weak it matches up really well with this is what the Eagles offense can potentially do well and what they don't do well

so it's the the movable force against the immovable object like it's one of those kind of deals here with this offense like what's gonna give I don't know like I just don't have a lot of faith in the Eagles like to take advantage of some of these mismatches there's really is a large it has to be a longer for people it hasn't even matter nobody is lower on the Eagles offense than you I just nobody The guy you watch is the most all 22. All of Eagles, like, world. It has less faith that they're going to get turned around than you.

I don't know about Eagles world, maybe Eagles, people who talk about the Eagles as much as we do. It is concerning, though. You watch the film more than any of us. I'll get a text from Fran, just like, I'm like in the middle of class, like on a Tuesday, and it'll be like, this offense is so cooked. You've basically said it on the record. You basically said it on the show. I did.

So this isn't the week. But I'm just like, oh, Fran's watching the film. I can't wait to get to it later. So this isn't the week that the Eagles run game takes advantage of it. It's not a good run defense. So they could. Yeah, but I said earlier in the week that we've been saying this for like a couple weeks now, that it's just, oh, this is a run defense that you could get back on track again that hasn't happened.

So I said on Monday show, yeah, on Monday show, it was like, all right, well, they had some successful runs early in that game against the Chicago Bears. and one of my biggest nitpicks from that game plan. And honestly, like, when I look over the course of the season and we talk about the difference between play calling and play design and differentiating and, like, roles of Kevin Petullo and the structure of the offense and what we see on Sundays,

this was the one where I'm like, man, like, the sequencing wasn't great. Like, they could have leaned more into the run game. And so when I hear Jalen Hertz yesterday, I talk about sequencing and things like that, I'm like, okay, maybe part of the conversation was, hey, we had some success running the football. If we do have success here against the Chargers,

against a similar kind of run defense that we should be able to move the ball on the ground against, can we stick with it more? Maybe that's the case. I was so frustrated just in the first quarter of that game. Like the very first play is an under center run for five yards. And then the very next play, they line up an empty. And it's just like, I know you want to get to the empty or whatever. But like you just, you know, got them to think like, okay, under center run.

Like, do something that marries off of that. It's a false start. They end up getting a first down on the next play. play pistol run for five yards very next play empty again like it's like you just had two successful first-down runs and you're just insisting on not continuing to use that run threat as a threat in the passing game we've said it so many times but still like 30th in play action 30th and under center play action this is just usage and they've been bad at it when they've done it so yeah i don't know if like that's why they're not doing it but it's it's just it's really just a thing where you sort of kind

trying to trick the defense, you pretend to hand it off or pitch it to the running back. It's not just me. A lot of Eagles fans might not know what play action is. I'm slowly, like, teaching Francis, like, different things to, like, record games. And one of the first things is, like, if they fake the ball, like, they're going to run it, and then they throw it, it's play action. So he's, like, now, like, pointing out, like, it's the Leo meme, like, getting up, play action. But it only happens when we're watching other.

their offenses and like what is he talking about like play we've been together for how many years he never showed me any of this um but yeah that's very funny ever asked me the other day at dinner i was very proud of this he was like is there the opposite of play action where you fake a pass he handed off and i was like you want to watch the bears film with me like there was a lot of that just pull some clips of he goes third and 15 plus yeah there you go all right so any any trouble spots like what do you what are you worried about aside from like uh this is probably how we don't to operate. We want them to just go out there and beat up whoever it is. But who are they worried about? Inputting the gameplay. Up front, I think you worry about Tully, Tully, Pallot, too.

Marlon's little brother. I think when you're looking at Tully, he is, I think he got double-digit sacks this past week. And he's been gradually more productive. They did just play the Raiders. I think everyone who's played the Raiders has double-digit socks. I think that's fair. Yeah, yeah. But I mentioned before, like, one of the things that they do really well. So you tackle the quarterback before he gets run the ball. Right. Behind the line of scrimmage.

When you're looking at this front, unless it was a designed run, but I'm not supposed to know that. I'm sorry. When you look at this group, when they get the third down, that's where they get into some of these unique looks. Sometimes they go, sprinkle a little sugar on the A-gaps, and you have two guys standing up over the center. Sometimes it's

the tilted fronts that I've talked about with the Eagles, where it's like three guys to one side and someone on the other, and then they'll creep Diane Henley up or Darwin James. They don't, they're not a heavy blitz team, but Henley will often be a blitzer and they'll drop a defensive end out. They like bringing Derwin James. So I would expect to see a lot of those exchange pressures this week.

So that would be something to be alert for. And Durwin James, for people who know Durwin James is the safety on the Chargers, he's basically just their nickel now. Like he plays nickel all the time. They've got molden and Mickens out there at safety. And then Tony Jefferson rotated in last week. He was playing more earlier in the year. He started to play more because they traded a Lowy Gilman or the trade deadline.

So the guy they traded him for with O'Dave Owe, he's like that third rusher that they'll play. So you have Tui Polo, too, you have Owey. And then they've got, who's the former Kentucky rusher? What's his name? Bud Dupree. Bud Dupree. So you got Bud Dupree out there. You have Cleo Mac.

So you have all these guys that they use and they kind of cycle through. But it's a good group. Like I said, Big Nickel is kind of their base defense, but they will also play. We'll talk about it in Bovertime. I've thrown off because I was looking at this. I know. You've got to look at your computer time. He's working on a clock that's like 45 seconds ahead of the clock we have down here.

See, we can't that clock be adjusted? We just haven't done it. We got a lot going on. Fresh out the host chair. I'm looking at Boehm, I'm like, you know what's going to overtime's coming up. We make a lot of eye contact on the show, like, more than, more than it's probably necessary. It's important to make guy contact No, no, it's when Fran talks

Because Fran talks to the camera So we'll be looking at Fran And then you and I just kind of go like this the whole time Is it? Are you uncomfortable with it? No, I'm just, I don't know, just noticing Okay They also just play a lot of dime as well

The second most dime behind the only the Rams The Rams like live in their dime With six defensive backs on the field So they will play a lot of dime Get a lot of speed out there With those like bodies up front So that's where they can get creative. So in terms of, like, what are the worry spots?

Third down, that's a worry spot for me. This Eagles offense seems to always, like, play to whatever the defense they think is going to do, right? Rather than put them in certain situations. But this is a team that likes to stay in nickel against big personnel anyway. They're 23rd and how often they play base. Bears didn't play any base at all last week. And, you know, it's not like the Eagles were doing anything really about that. So I don't know.

Maybe it'll be good for the Eagles to not be trying to, like, manipulate things with person. groupings you would think so just like just play the way you want to play yeah all right they do the opposite they're like they're gonna play this way so no i got i didn't accuse you that did i not too pessimistic but the most pessimistics now i'm a little self-conscious about being no i think you be your true self i think that it's i think you anybody up here well both of you guys really no offense to bow but like you guys like you guys do the work if you feel this way Oh, wow. You don't need to feel bad about it.

Well, I'll take some offense. We also do the work, but it's different. You guys, I, I, I, I know what I mean, but you guys do the work. You know what I meant. You know what I'm saying. Let's check out the super chats that we have here. SRG says E.J. needs to tell Bo what time it is. That was very funny on the Tuesday mailback.

Yeah, what was it? Yeah, what was it? It was a funny time. Yeah, that's right. That was funny. He also says, when will the server refill Danes' water glass? I was wondering the same thing. You have never, ever been more wrong than you were about that flight attention.

Oh, come on. I've been more wrong. I've been more wrong. He was more wrong on pretty much every mailbag he didn't. No, no. On this show. But I think that's because of a lack of opportunity. I mean, I did say that Dorian Thompson-Robinson deserved the third quarterback spot,

You said it was going to be a pro-baller. No, but non-football takes. You were very wrong about the... Non-football takes, E.J. I think it's a lack of opportunity. I think I qualified it perfectly. If it was more serious, if there was something actually going on, then I am on the side of the flight attendant and the old guy.

The whole point is you don't know. She said that there was an old guy who needed that seat. You don't... The way to explain to you how serious it is. I mean, I think that that's less serious. They're going to tell you... I think that they should have said it is serious, and that's why you need to move.

Not he just is uncomfortable, everyone wants to sit here. But she doesn't owe him an explanation. She's in charge. In fact, like, for his privacy, like, it might be better not to explain if the flight attendant, if the second flight attendants in charge and the first flight attendants also in charge, and the first flight attendant. Yeah, and things have changed since then. Didn't change enough. Didn't change enough, in my opinion. You know, when we did the poll, not the poll on social media, the YouTube poll, it was split. So I represent maybe not the majority, but. Oh, yeah, we know that internet polls.

scientific. I made sure to say, no, it was the listeners. It was the listeners. It wasn't the people out in the interwebs. It's our beautiful community. I stand with you. Outrageous. All right.

I think you're confused about who the listeners are, you're literally people on the internet. It's a curated group. I hear what you're saying about. It's a group that I respect, yeah. If you have been impressed with Lindsay as a producer. Yeah. So far, you're about to be blown away.

But before we get to that, I'm going to tell you what happened in the last edition of Swooper as we entered with E.J. and I being two points up on Fran. Fran had three items. The Eagles score more points against the Bears than the Cowboys score against the Chiefs. Did not happen. A kick hits a crossbar or an upright. Did not happen. The end zones are painted black. You paid 17 turkeys and you got it. You had one. It wasn't worth it. I had. You would have won. You would have won the week. E.J. had the Eagles remain 100% on the season and touchdown rate in goal-to-go situations. Once again, you kept. it. And you got it. The record for longest field goal in the NFL is broken this week. Did not happen.

An Eagle is targeted. An Eagle offensive lineman is targeted on a pass. Did not happen. The Eagles offense has two above average halves by EPA per drive. Did not happen. The Eagles have zero turnovers for the game and have at least, doesn't matter. It didn't happen. Braden Mann puns for more yards than Jalen Hertz throws for.

Did happen, right? That was the other one that hit, I believe so. A kick or punt or kickoff hits an upright crossbar or a pipeline did not happen. And Sequin outrushes DeAndre Swift did not happened so you had two. I had a player with at least five career starts for the Eagles records multiple PBOs, multiple TFLs, or an interception. Kevin Byard getting that done for me. An ex-Eagle has a longer play from scrimmage than Sequin Barclay's longest play from

scrimmage. That happened as well with DeAndre Swift. The Eagles do not lose the turnover battle. Didn't happen. And the Eagles win by what was, it doesn't matter how many points. It doesn't matter how many points. So we both at two. And so now you and I are at four and five, six. two and a half points up on Fran, who's stuck at two and a sixth, two and third. I've done some self-scouting. Oh, okay. Mini-band? Yeah, did I try.

Look, we're trying to figure out what's going on here. I have been so overly confident that these Eagles offense was going to get out of this rut. I go back and I look at all the items. So you can go back through Danes' like, oh, the, you know, the, the, you know, the, the, you There's a lot of like Sequon's going to be. Yeah, Jay over 50 yards. And like some of them was like, oh, AJ had 48. Or like

oh, like, Sequin had 23 yards in the first half. Like, yeah, he's got it. And then he had two touches in the second half. Look, the parallels between your swooper season and the Eagles' offensive season. I mean, it's not just that you're putting your faith in them. It's that you're playing the game as if it's last year.

Like betting on Seekwan, right? Like thinking that Sequin's going to bail them out, like all these things that we've talked about. And I think like the sooner that that changes the better it'll be. That's why I had to go heavy on the black end zones last week. Another reason why I had to go heavy in the black end. That's why you had to go paint the end zones. What did you think of the game theory behind that?

At what point is it too expensive to just get the one item to hit? Well, E.J., you're not like, you know, the old Birds with Friends listeners will know that this was an experiment that we did. I did the game. We'll kick off at 1 p.m. as an item. And just to see how much they will, how much they'll bid on it. And it was, like, it was interesting to see. Like, it really depends on whether you think you can win that week. And the thing that I think Fran made a mistake with, and I think he's done this a few times,

is just putting a lot of turkeys on an item in a week where he's not likely to win. Like, he doesn't have enough other items. So, yes, the answers were painted black, but what did it do for you? Well, I did it early. And honestly, my thought, I did it early. And, yes, in the moment, I was like, well, shit. The problem was, he's got this God-forsaken item. week you would be you would be getting caught you guys let him get that for 10 turkeys yeah

honestly if it was if the item yes rethinking it that should have gone for more turkeys now the chargers are third in the league at goal to go defense so this is this is your yeah it's not like the eagles have been at least they should have been at least like they get in they have a goal to go situation yes and they stay but that's happened every week no they've they've been some where they've gone where they just they don't have any time they never had they never had that item? Yes. Maybe once. I mean, usually... I might be twice. Okay, maybe twice. All right, and with that,

it's time to start Swooper. Oh. Look at that. Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay. All right, I've got 18 turkeys. The order this week. Me, Fran, E.J.

Fran's got 33. E.J.'s got 24. There you've got the professor. We begin. Item number one, either team in this game scores a defense or special team's touchdown. And with this item, you get possession of the Cal-Adamitis touch. What is the Cal-Otomites touch? The Cal-Item-Mitis touch is essentially an opportunity for you to bet on another item hitting. How many people know who Cal-Adamitis is, by the way?

At any point, the owner may use the Cal-Adam-Mitis touch. to double down on any sold item, not necessarily one that they purchased themselves, and you bet that that item will hit, and this costs you no points. However, if that item you bet on hitting loses, you lose a point. So you've got to make that gamble. Does that make sense? So, for instance, if Fran had paid for the end zones will be black last week, I could use the Cal Item Ius Touch for no additional cost and say that item is going to hit.

But if it doesn't hit, I lose a point. You get a minus one. Gaining a point. I just laughed. This is the Kallite of minus touch. Oh, that's even worse than the KMlatu Toto. I'm joking. It's not a realtor.

I was a dream last night that I was angry at Swipper. And for some reason, I was a mom, dream you were going to do it, super. I had a dream where we were sitting right here. It's a nightmare. And I got angry. And I was some reason walking back into the studio with a glass of water. and somehow was able to throw the water in both of your faces. I don't know.

I got wrong in some way, shape, or form in this dream. Snooper is really haunting you, Fran. Is Charlie Hewlett still around the building? I saw him like a week or two ago. He's around. He just knows he's going to stay on IR the rest of the year? I mean, because Cala out of minus, I mean, not only is he snapping it well, he's making tackles on puns and stuff.

He's got good hair. Good hair, yeah. Seems like a good locker room presence. Sure. Yeah. There you go. Okay. We all understand the Cal item at its touch.

Yeah. So you get both. You don't sacrifice. Yes. Right. All right. I'll start the bidding at five. Six.

Seven. seven going once who nine nine nine going once I love Danez's professor it's so good

nine going twice sold wait Danez is supposed to be the one that counts us down he can't moving forward yeah sold for nine I'm happy to do that if you'd like

All right. You need a cattle. Correct. Over to Fran. Cut and dry here. The Eagles outgain the Chargers on the ground. So more rushing yards than the Chargers in this game. Obviously, a lot of layers here.

Neither run defense has been very good. Chargers' run game has been better than the Eagles. Both units probably need the run game. to be good to win this game start the bidding at three four five five going once five going twice it's a pretty good it's a pretty good buy why are you not bidding on that. I don't like its chances of hitting. I didn't think it was good value for six. I don't know. Why did you bid on it?

I only have nine turkeys. Yeah, I didn't like that one. I didn't like it either, but... Yeah. It was a good buy five. All right. You guys ready? My first item is Jalen Hertz and Justin Herbert combined for more than 20 passing yards on plays from

under center. So, you're not feeling great about Justin Herbert under center, but it could happen. And if it does happen he is probably the more likely to have 20 or more passing yards from under center but jalen hertz has done it uh i had it here is this net passing yards do socks count as negative because the eagles have been getting sucked on under center we're going to say passing yards not net not net not passing yards lately yeah wow just straight passing yards hurts hurts has been over 15 passing yards from under center just three times the season and really only only over 20 twice

vikings and i don't have it i've got herberts in front of me i don't have Yeah, that's okay. I'm going to start the bidding at two. Three. Four. You always sound, this third is like one item a week where you just sound so, like, smugged shirt yourself. I don't know what they.

I love this. We don't get to see this side of Fran anywhere else. It's so lovely. My absolute favorite thing about Fran joining PHLI, like, because, you know, we could enjoy Fran elsewhere before, but like how much he loves swooper. I hate Swipper combined by, combined with like how poorly he's going once. Four going twice.

Five. Five going once. You can have it for five. Five going twice. Sold to Fran. A friend down to 23 turkeys. All right. Is it my turn?

Wait, very quickly. Either one of them has to have over 20, or can they combine for over 20? Combine. Combine. Combine. Yeah, okay. But I mean, Herbert's not going to. Sure, but just to say. 21. And it has to be Herbert.

It can't be Tray Lance. It cannot be Tray Lance. It cannot be Tray Lance. Okay. All right. So since I'm here, all of my auctions are going to be of the non-standard variety. Love it. Item number four.

This is going to be a Dutch auction. This is where I'm going to count. down and the first person to yell Swooper will win the item. And the item is, and I just wanted to, I'm on to make this point about the Chargers' offense against the Eagles defense, I saved it for Swooper. The Chargers ranked second in place per drive in the NFL, and the Eagles defense is 28th in plays per drive allowed.

A lot of people have been blaming the Eagles offense for the defense being out there so long, but place per drive means that you have a chance to get off the field and you're not doing it. Obviously they might be tired near the end of the game, whatever, but 6.4 is the Chargers number. 6.1 is the Eagles number. Okay? So the item is, the Chargers will average fewer than six plays per offensive drive. So that would be going against the pattern of the season where the Eagles defense would be better at getting off the field than they have been. The Chargers would be worse at leaving the field than they have been.

So fewer than six plays per offensive drive. Okay, and this is going to be a Dutch auction. I'll start at 10 and count down. I'd say swooper out. No, you say swooper. To get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First person says swooper, get it. Okay, I will start at 10.

10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, swooper. Okay. You were waiting for three, EJ? I was waiting for three. I thought like three would be a good deal. Four is a good value. Four is good value. Yeah, it's not that much lower than the average, you know.

Just like a good game by the defense should do it. I'm down to five. The Eagles defense, by the way, 31st in forcing three and outs. I don't think enough is being made of that. Like, how bad the offense has been at three and outs we've been discussing? That's true. What about the fact that the defense is 31st at forcing three and outs? I mean, like, you know, they're not getting off the field.

So, like, that's a, you know, that's been a thing all year. Yeah. All right, item number five. Tank Bigsby and Will Shipley combine for more snaps on offense than Sequin Barclay's longest play from scrimmage. You're not going to arm us with information here? I think we all know that Tank Biggsby and Tank Biggsby in particular has not played as much as we kind of would hope or have expected. Will Shipley is the same. And Sequin hasn't had a lot of big plays.

So, I don't know, you're talking about probably like 10. combined snaps last game probably a little bit more than that thank pigs we only had the one yeah yeah probably lower than that last game yeah the shipley yeah it was yeah it was five combined snaps you're betting on that changing and chiplies are all have all been on like third down passing downs yeah I'll start the bidding at one two two going once two going Going twice. I mean, the sequence banged up? He's got it.

Goodbye. Let's see some value for two. That's patronize me. No, I mean, it is. It's a lot of it, I don't mean. All right. Oh, it's Fran. Sorry.

All right, here you go. Wouldn't be spooper if I got the order right the entire time. Zach Bonn has more total tackles than Arronday Gatson has yards after the catch. We're going to take the yards after the catch per piece. No, no, no, no, no. People may remember, our viewers may remember that that was our big talking point with Theronda Gats and how we could catch the ball and just immediately fall down when he was at Syracuse. And so we're going to lean into a series favorite tight end.

Why don't we use true media? It's all the same anyway. They use PFF. Oh, okay, it's the same. Yeah, okay, got it. But we're going to look at it on true media. You look at it on true. That's fine.

That's fine. Right. Same source. I was thinking next gen, because there's their actual. different right we will start the bidding at three four are and then the assisted tackles counts here total because of the if you go to the body combine tackles yep you said four EJ yeah five Going once.

Sorry, I forgot it. Going twice. Sold for five. You got that, E.J? No, Fran got it. Frang got it. All right. Fran's down to 16.

He's been over, he's at 19 and 23 this season. And then the other games, he had seven, three, and five yards after the catch. So it's a good one. Okay. Over to you, E.J. All right. My second one, a current or former Eagle specialist scores more than nine points

so you get Jake L and it's kicker, punter, and returners and I wanted to it's in there but how's the punter are going to score points? I mean you never know the returner must have at least one kick or punt return this season but can score on offense for this item to hit as well

so you get John Dotson you get Cooper dejean although he hasn't done this year yeah wait does he have to be a returner on a play this game for to count? No, he can score on offense for it to count. No, no, but does he have to be a returner in this game? No, only has returned at some point

for the Eagles. Okay. You also get... Wait, but you're saying hmm, you're saying former, so if Cameron Dicker counts, Cooper DeGine counts because he has done it. Now, the returner, the returner exception is the only exception. Okay.

I don't think you know, you don't get to... You think it's a real... No, no, no, no, no. The reason for the the footnote that, is to, like, you can't have Devante Smith and A.J. Brown. That's not fair. The Chargers special teams are terrible at everything other than kicking. Has a grader ever caught a punch? No, Devante has that.

No, Devante has that. I feel like if Devante gets two touchdowns, you should probably get it. But go ahead. It's fine. Yeah, I feel like Devonte gets, I feel like if you can, if it becomes too wide of a net. This is really just like an opportunity for us to point out that Cameron Dicker played for the Eagles. That was what I wanted to go for. Walter paid a minute of year honorary.

Oh, really? Camera Dicker, yeah. Shout out to Mary. Mr. Gonzalez. He was nice to cover. He was here for like eight days, but I enjoyed covering. He's one of the best kickers in the league now. Former two former Osprey's award presenters on the Chargers roster.

Cameron Dicker. And. Oh, that's on the time. He actually plays. They have a rotation. He looks good. Yes, he's looked good. I'm going to start the bidding at three.

No, but this is more than nine points. More than nine. at least nine. More than nine. More than nine. Starting at three. And you're getting the graphic in the,

it's just outstanding work from Lindsay. Yeah, it's so good. I thought you were going to say that I'm putting the producers through too much. When did you guys send your entries, by the way?

It's not the first time I've been accused of it. Lindsay said she needed them early. She had another show to do today. I sent them early. I'm just saying, I probably didn't send them as early as you. Who was last, Lindsay?

thing is oh yeah but you know what we didn't pass along the yeah that's true I didn't know about early yeah I'm a notorious kind of I mean I wasn't that bad you know what it is it's the days where I know I'm coming in I I kind of almost forget I have to do it I was 1020 okay this morning yeah is that bad I mean I was last night when Lindsay wow I usually send them the night before if I'm not going to come in because I'm worried I'm just going to forget. Three. Ticker.

Three going once. Three going twice. Four. Four going once. Four going twice. Soul to Fran. I just like my items. I like sticking Fran.

I like sticking Fran with my iPhone. But like, why do you guys, you I put these items that you don't think her to hit. I felt pretty good about it. I just thought it would be funny to stick it with you. Now it'll hit, and you'll feel good. The swooper lytics on how many of your items are hitting are not good. But I'm making an effort to make them more likely.

Yeah, clearly. It's really good about this. Wait, how many of mine hit last week? It's like the Eagles doing more under center. Like, you're making an effort, but it doesn't look good, you know. You're good with the analogies with the Eagles season. It's always to the Eagles office. Good for something at least.

All right, my turn, right? Yes. Okay, I don't know if you guys are going to love this, hate this, how you're going to feel. This is a somewhat unusual one. I thought that it would be fun to root for. Out of the following options, there are going to be six options. Okay. The most common number of yards gained on plays from scrimmage in the game will be,

and the options are five yards, six yards, seven yards, eight yards, nine yards, and ten yards. Now, here's how this is going to work. the rights to each of the first three will be auctioned off separately in normal auctions when you win one of them you get to also choose one of the next three so like we're going to say like who wants five yards as the

option okay if you win that you get to choose whether you want eight nine or ten then we're going to have a separate auction for six okay so you get two so there are going to be like three total there are six total items but they come in packages there'll be three pairs I didn't want to have six separate auctions okay and then which and then only one

of them can hit because whichever one the most. Unless it's a tie, in which case we'll give points to both. I like this. If it's a two-way tie, three-way tie. Do you think it should be half points if it's a tie? Because there's separate items, we can go either way. Sure, they can

be half points or third points or whatever, depending on what way tie it is. Okay. Let's do, yeah, let's do half points. Okay, so everyone understand? Yeah, okay. So, we'll do the auction for five-yard plays first. So, meaning that, like, that will hit if there are more five-yard plays than there are six, seven, eight, nine, or ten-yard plays.

So it's not the most. It's not the total of your two either. It's like a six-way face between those six numbers. Only the one with the most out of those six is going to... I like this. The tiebreaker should be which of the two second numbers is higher. I like that. Because that's the one you chose. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That works. And then if that's a tie, I will have... Oh, if it's a tie between the two... If it's a tie between two, then it goes to whoever's second number is higher. Just for clarity, it's the most common number from this selection. Yes, because there's so many like one and two is like I didn't want to, yeah, exactly.

Okay. Okay. All right. So just normal auction for five. Someone has to start the bidding. One, two, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten going once. 11 I thought about sticking friend with it again 11 going once 11 going twice

sold to EJ okay so EJ out of 8, 9 and 10 which one would you like I should have done my research while I was bidding 8, 9 plays, 9 yard plays or 10 yard plays I'm going to take 8

okay so 5 and 8 go to EJ now we're going to do an auction for 6 yard plays. So E.J.'s down to 13 turkeys. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So when I start to bidding on six, one, two, three, four,

five. Stupid. Five going one. Six. One. You can get the monopoly. I was but saying, can monopolize this. Yeah. Six going once. Seven.

Francis would not be happy if I didn't do it. At Wren's eighth birthday party is tomorrow. And his cake is going to say 6-7. 8. Oh, man, I should do that for cake. There it is. Yeah. It's a good.

Any eighth birthday's out there. There's an idea. Yeah. He can have it for seven. Seven going one, seven going twice. Sold to Fran. And what would you like? You have the six-yard plays?

Would you like the nine-yard plays or the ten-yard plays? I'm going to take the ten-yard plays. Okay. So six and ten. okay go to Fran and now we're going to do the auction for seven and nine yard plays okay because those are the ones that are left someone start the bidding two four five six he's got sold all right so EJ you have five eight seven and nine Fran has six and ten and again it's not the combined it's the one of those numbers is going to is going to be the winner so okay

EJ has seven turkeys left, yes. All right. Over to item number nine. Fran and I both have five turkeys left. E.J. has seven. Mine's pretty down the middle. A Hail Mary is thrown in the game. Start the bidding at one.

Two. Two going once. Two going twice. twice three I don't really want that I mean eagles ball at the end of the first half we know it's not going to know what is seriously three I said three okay three going twice salt oh man I'm down to two that was a bad job by me all right yeah the eagles have more sacks on defense than Alabama's margin of victory in the SEC title game over Georgia. This is the fifth time that these two teams have played in the SEC title.

Alabama is undefeated in these games. The last 11 matchups between these two teams. Georgia has lost every single one of them except the national title a couple years ago. So Alabama has dominated this rivalry in the last several years. What's the line? I want to say it is four. Let's go to our friends at Bet365 real quick. How many turkeys on UVA winning a playoff game, Fran?

One. Yeah, not many. Look, the Eagles have more sacks on defense than Alabama's margin of victory in the NCC title game. Georgia is favored by two and a half. Interesting. So, tight line. Tight line.

All right. We will start the bidding at two. I can't bid. Two going once. E.J., what are you doing? Two going twice? What are you doing, E.J? Don't worry about what I'm doing.

I bid. I don't want it. Sold to Fran for two. What an unbelievable steel. It's a good, it's good value. But who's to say there won't be good value later, too? Who's to say you don't want to save your turkeys? You spent all his turkeys on five-yard plays.

I did. and seven yard players and seven and six and nine as well yeah i got i got some options all right go ahead e j i thought it was franc sir he just went literally just went that i thought i was when i was going i'm sorry it's been a long week my final my final item one of the following things happens sequin berkeley surpasses 120 rushing yards tank bigsby has double rushing attempts. Jalen Hertz has double-digit rushing attempts or Sequin Barclay has one run go for 66 yards or more. Why 60s? Are these all season? Yeah, it'd be a season high for him. I'm going to start the bidding at three. All right. You got it. Congrats. You got it.

All right. Last one. Let me just write down what those options were. I could just send it to you if you want. Okay. Okay. Now, you guys know I've been doing these variations of the Eagles winning by a certain number of points based on the bidding. So I'm starting to run out of ideas, but I thought this one would be fun. The Eagles win by more points than the total number of turkeys bid on this item, which we've done before. but it's going to be a sequential one-time bid only, all-pay auction.

Okay, so everyone's going to pay whatever they say, but you're going to go an order, and the order is determined as follows, and I wrote this down before, whoever won the very last item bids first. So that's E.J. The last player to win an item before that, bids second. That's Fram. And then the remaining player bids last, so you get the last mover. I don't know if it's an advantage or not.

whatever number you say will be your final bid so boe can like choose to win it if you want you know like as he goes last and the total of the three bids is going to be the number that the eagles have to win by okay so even if you lose your your turkeys are going to at least making the item harder for the winner okay so I mean like you could say zero but like if you say zero then the last person will just get it for one and you know what I mean like and then any kind of eagle win we'll do it. So that's the idea. So and obviously you can borrow turkeys from next week. So E.J, it is your, you're on the clock. You get to, you get to submit your bid. Fran is like unreadable right now too. I really need Fran like we either need to work together

here or you don't have to submit a winning bid either. You could bid a, you could submit a intentionally, yeah, intentionally losing bid is also fine because those turkeys go towards making the item less likely to hit for the winner so you don't have to you can borrow you don't have to outbid and yeah you can you can borrow yeah I'm gonna go zero the one thing I'll say is you cannot bid the same thing as the top bid because I don't want to deal with yeah yeah yeah I'm going zero okay EJ is bidding zero got to protect the turkeys so this item is has just gotten more valuable because we have a zero bid I I'm going to go zero.

Fran's also going to go zero. Bo, I assume you're going to go one? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so if the Eagles win by more than one point, Bo gets the item. I'm surprised you guys. Would you have gone zero if I didn't go zero? Yes, because Bo's... Is it win by more or one is fine?

By more than one. Oh, so one point a week doesn't get in. Okay. Bo's items are a Hail Mary and a defense or special teams touchdown in the chart. Oh, you were okay with Bo getting it. I was a 50% chance to get it. You know, I did think during this, if I kept track of who had what, I would feel more confident in my decision to go zero.

Can't keep track of that on your fence of the lab because of it. Yeah, you need some of the rows down there, you can go for that. Like how many others each person has won? I did, I think Fran's strategy was the right one. So it seems like I came to the right conclusion, even though. You know, so I'm not picking the Eagles to win the game. Yeah. So it's like, all right, that comes into it as well.

I didn't have a lot of faith. You know the John Daly meme with Tiger Woods, like the one guy is like all buttoned up? and like professional and the other guy's just kind of like a big slob and he's just like dressed like you a maniac that's me and you a swooper like you take it so seriously and I'm just over here just winging it though it's December you know I've got playoff scenarios go ahead all right so the eagle's magic number to win the NFC east is down to three with Dallas's loss yesterday any three wins by the Eagles plus Dallas losses out of the nine games remaining We'll make the Eagles the first repeat NFC East champions in 20 years.

And then to clinch the number one seed, the Eagles need the Bears to lose twice, the Rams to lose once, Seattle to lose once, Green Bay to lose once, and San Francisco to lose once. San Francisco's got some easy games. So that's all the stuff that has to happen for the one seed. I think if the Eagles went out, I think that stuff is more likely to happen than not. So, you know, the one seat is still there. Friends looking at me like, this team's never going to win a game again. If I had wheels, I'd be a bike.

I mean, I'm just saying. Spicy Fran today. There's some easy games coming up, Fran. There's Washington twice. Washington twice doesn't feel easy to me. I don't know. That feels like a lock to be a split. There is also one situation where the Eagles and Bears could finish in a tie,

and the Eagles would still get the one seed, and that would involve a three-way tie with Seattle, in which Seattle loses to the Colts, the Bears losses to an NFC team. That would mean a three-way tie, which would go to conference record, which would also be tied, which would then go to strength of victory, which the Eagles would win.

So that's the one scenario in which the Bears would not have to lose twice. The Eagles are a terrible team right now, playing some of the worst football I've ever seen in my life. There's absolutely no reason to believe they're going to go to L.A. and win this game. But I will be using the Cal on the Eagles winning by more than one point. So you're doubling down. I'm doubling down. Oh, you can double down on your own. I can double down on my own.

I'm doubling down on the Eagles to win this game. Go birds, baby! Will you give back a Goberts? It would be great if you had stolen the five yards from E.J. Well, I thought that. But then you don't want to lose the point. Yeah, I'm not going to lose it. I'm not going to risk a point on that.

Yeah. All right. That's right. This game features the two head coaches out of all people still alive in the world with the best winning percentage. Siriani is fifth out of all people, including dead guys. And Jim Harbaugh is seventh out of all people, including dead guys. But they are the only two out of the top of nine who are dead.

Matt Lafleur is 10th overall. He is still alive. That will be the start of the show. We can wrap it up this swooper. This is great. Yeah, shout out to Lindsay. Give it up. Give it a waiver for Lindsay.

Fantastic. Outstanding. Also, there are three teams that Nick Siriani has never beaten. We've been over these. He can beat two of them in the next two games, the Chargers and the Raiders, which would leave the Seattle Seahawks, is the only one that he's never beaten. Like, at France, like, the team's not going to ever win again.

I like if I had wheels, I'd be a bike. But, I mean, you didn't think that's actually true. Yeah, I mean, it's not true. I don't think it was a PG version of, yeah, it's tasteful. Okay. Yeah. All right. Nice long episode to get you ready, get all weekend to listen, get ready for the game.

We will have you covered with full game day coverage on Monday. of eagles, chargers. Awesome stuff. Thank you, Professor. Thank you, E.J. Thank you, Fran. Should I wrap up, Swooper? Should I say what the items were?

Very quickly, E.J. has... E.J. spent a lot of turkeys on only possibly getting one point of this. But you have five yards, eight yards, six yards, and ten yards. And then you also have the poop-bo platter of Sequan, tank, and Seiquon, all that stuff. He's just going to try to sit next to the... E.J., do you know where the official scorer sets when you're in the press box? I actually don't. I probably should.

You might want to sit near the official score and be like, come on, that was five years. You're like five to me. No, no, it was four. It's going to be third and five. Third and goal from five. And the Eagles are going to score a five-yard touchdown. Yeah. To keep his 100% percent.

And I'm going to break my team. I'm going to be fanfish. Fran has Eagles eight after-Kalty chargers on the ground over 20, one of the quarter, no, combined 20 yards plus passing under center. Tank and Shipley snaps are greater than Sequin. longest play from scrimmage. Zach Bonn has more tackles than Arronda Gadsen has yak. Any of the kicker or returners who used to play for the Eagles or whatever,

score 10 points in the game. Or whatever. Six yards and 10 yards is the most popular one. And Eagles have more sacks than Alabama's win. I cannot believe you let him get that for so little. I wanted to save the turkeys for my poo platter and then get some turkeys for next week. Why did you want the poo platter? That one is way more valuable than your poo platter.

I like a poo platter. You got a lot of chances at it. I would have made it lower. I know the Chargers average fewer than six offensive plays for drive. A halmerie is thrown, and the Eagles win by two points or more times two, baby. All right. That was Zach's thing. Like, whenever it was a lot of items, he would think it was a valuable thing.

I mean, I don't know if it was like, I don't know if that's a good thing for me. The sun is more rise in the west. 20 items that each have like a one in a million chance. But he was like, there are 20 things. I got to think. That'll do it for this episode of PHL. Eagles podcast. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Like the video, all that good stuff. We will talk to you on Monday. And as always, thank you, Lindsay. And we love you.