PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Why Chris Kuper Is MOST IMPORTANT Eagles Position Coach in 2026 | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

As the final week of spring practice for the Eagles gets underway, we speak to offensive line coach Chris Kuper and quarterback coach Parks Frazier about the challenges ahead in replacing Jeff Stoutland, teaching a new blocking style to the likes of Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata and Landon Dickerson and what it’s like to lead a room with Jalen Hurts in it. Don’t miss EJ Smith’s new look as he discusses it all with Bo Wulf.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. And welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. We're here to talk some birds, and we've got some fresh stuff to tell you about. We talked to Chris Cooper, the new offensive line coach today as well as Parks Frazier, the new quarterbacks coach, not new to the staff, but in a new role. Plenty to talk about. E.J., how are you? I'm doing well. I have been really struggling to not call Parks Frazier press Taylor. It has been like reflexive. Every time I say I think Parks Fraser, even when I type it, I have to make sure I don't say press Taylor, which is not really fair to Parks Frazier, I must say.

Why do you park in a Fraser way and Fraser in a parkway? You know, not to completely derail us here, but on Anthony's show, we talked about they should rename the streets around the link, around the link, like after great players. like Dawkins Drive, Graham Circle, Van Buren Lane. Like this would be really, this would be fine. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, why don't you let us go with us? Let us know in the chat, which one you want.

Yeah. Let's say there are, I mean, how wide of a circle are you going here? They could do it. Now, the problem is the flyers and the Sixers and the Phillies are going to get a little bit protective. So, like, you got to do like, you know, you got to do Mike Schmidt way. like Schmidt way and Dawkins way and, you know, ish Smith way, one way. Ish Smith way.

Jalil Okraefar Drive. Is Smith Street. I like an is Schmidt. I think we can just do Eagles for this exercise. So who is one you would really want to see? Firkton, Korkmaz Boulevard. Oh, I loved Farkhan Korkman. I think realistically, Covington Court.

stadium is if you you could do i mean you could do that one you could do the stretch of broad but is that is that too intrusive you can do all cares there's probably three streets right by the link that you could that you could rename i think you only get three yeah so who are you going i mean like reggie white just similar to the conversation about the 26 for 26 but you have a sure it's everybody so you probably have like reggie white drive reggie white way i think it's dockins foals and probably john brown uh donkins maybe falls i think the rule should be until hurts retires i actually think it should be i think the rule should be and they should they should announce this rule was that if you are a Super Bowl MVP,

you get a street named after you at the stadium. So Hertz Drive, Falls Lane. And then Dawkins, Dawkins drive. Kelsey, it's got to be Kelsey Way. I think you go Kelsey,

Dawkins, Reggie White. I think those are the three. What about Bednaric, you know? Yeah, Benneric's tough. That's a tough one to leave off.

Just give us four streets. Okay. Bedneric Boulevard. That's a good one. I like that. Hmm. Let's talk Chris Cooper because I think we agree. Tell me if you do agree.

This is the most important position coach on the team this season. Yeah, I think you could make an argument for Parks Frazier, but realistically, like, I don't think there's a position coach that can move the needle more than Chris Cooper. In the sense of if you tell me the Eagles offensive line is healthy, I actually think they can overcome some things in the past game because of what it will mean for the run game. And also, I think that coaching the adjustment that the offensive line is going to have to make, I think is more reliance on coaching, where I feel like with Jalen, it's like, it's more reliance on his willingness to kind of embrace some of those changes

and excel. I'm not sure that Parks Frazier is like moving the needle quite as much as Chris Cooper can as the offensive line makes. What is what they've been honest about is a big adjustment. Yeah, I mean, we will get to Parks Frazier, but he is also in a room where there are other guys, there are other voices at play. Sean Mannion's going to be involved. Grazar is going to be involved. Gerard Johnson potentially, maybe even Nick Siriani. There's not going to be that level of input on the offensive line.

And, you know, the truth is the offensive line coach is probably the most important position coach on most teams because they're coaching five guys who are on the field at once instead of just a few, right? And this is all wrapped up in. He is replacing Jeff Stoutland. And the fact that every single player in that room, certainly all five starters, has never played for another offensive line coach in the NFL, right?

So there's a big adjustment period. What were your first impressions of Mr. Cooper, who we should say was fired from his job with the Vikings after a couple seasons where, you know, certainly the fan base was not super thrilled with him. But, you know, he comes with a, you know, a letter of recommendation from Vic Fangio and has worked with, you know, he's familiar with Sean Mannion,

by all accounts, you know, a capable of, guy, has played in the league, has been through some of the things these guys have been through. What were your first impressions? Yeah, I thought he came across, like, someone who was passionate about the position and knew what he was talking about. You know, I thought he came across reasonably impressive, I would say. You know, I think the thing that, well, I think the thing that jumped out to me is probably secondary to what was, I thought, one of his most important answers, which was about

replacing Jeff Stoutland. So, you know, I have the quote here. So I want to go through that, but I also wanted to say that, you know, I felt like he was like kind of a no-nonsense guy. You know, I can appreciate from an offensive line coach. But anyway, I want to get to the Stoughtland thing really quickly here. He said it's kind of an outlier to have the same O-line coach for his long as as that was here.

And the appreciation I think the league has for that man and what he's done here, everyone's accounted for that and spoke to that. replacing him, I've just got to be myself. In general, being in those chairs before as a player. I've gone through a lot more coaching changes than these guys have. And the guys I just left in Minnesota have gone through a lot more than I even did. So there's an evolution of football where you just have to be adaptable and you're going to have to adjust. It's about applying those things when you're out on the field.

Okay. What do you make of that? I mean, I think it's good to hear. I think it's important to hear that like he's approaching this the way that he is. it's not necessarily surprising that he's clearly like I'm you know there's only one Jeff Stoutland I'm not coming in and trying to emulate that or replicate that but I think it's good that he's acknowledging the adjustment that these players will have to go through you know it's something I asked him about later you know is the adjustment like does he have to change his approach

when you're coaching a group that has only been with one offensive line coach before you know because I mean like the importance that he puts on adaptability these guys don't have that you know, they haven't had to be adaptable before. Right. Yeah. So, no, it's a big adjustment. Because you're right. In most situations, you come in as a new offensive line coach and you expect that most of

these guys have been through something like this before. And it's crazy that a guy like Lane Johnson would not have yet gone through that. Yeah, I thought he was like, you know, he didn't ask to be put into this position having to answer for Stoutland's firing or, you know, departure. Yeah. I thought he was like appropriately deferential, but not too much. You know, he's got a job to do. He's going to do things a little bit differently.

And there will be an adjustment period. I thought it was a good, I thought he had a good answer to you about how much he has to adjust. And, you know, he says that's, I think that's what teaching is, is adjusting to your students and figuring out a way to get through to that. I've got the quote. You want me to read it? Please. So he says, we're teachers. Football coaches, that's what the title says.

but you're really a teacher. You're trying to find every way to hit every individual player the right way to get them to learn. That's my goal. It is to get them to understand the system, the new verbiage, and then just coming from a new voice in a different way. Everyone is going to have to adjust.

Am I adjusting? Yes, of course I am, because that's how I believe you teach as you adjust to the players. So, yeah, I found that interesting. Now, one other thing I noticed, when he was talking about Lane Johnson, And he said, like, you know, Lane's been great.

You know, he's in on the Zoom calls. We've had some good conversations. But then at the very end, he said, like, so now it's just going to be getting him in and, like, teaching him the verbiage, which I think shows you, like, they're still on the ground floor here. You know, it's not like they've made a lot of progress. And he said, like, we had Lane in for a bit like a couple weeks ago. Like, you know, Lane has not been here for the moment. Right. He hasn't been for the Zoom.

It's interesting that, like, most of the other guys are there in the meeting and Lane is zooming in. but also, you know, you're arguably the best player in the franchise history. You can, you can probably have some rules to yourself. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I think he's, the Lane Johnson rules, right? I think it's, I think it's fine. He's not here, but I do think it's emblematic of, you know, it's just, I think that the offensive line, it's like, we're really going to learn in training camp how this

adjustment has gone. I think right now, everything that you've heard, like Jordan Milata said, like he feels like a rookie again. I think they're in the beginning stages of what is going to be a big adjustment schematically and technically for these guys. Is there a player among those five who you think that this change is best for? Yeah. The low-hanging fruit is Cam Juergens because it is like a movement,

lateral quickness type of scheme going from inside zone where you're constantly working up to linebackers to outside zone where you're kind of moving horizontally, but I think I actually feel like Lane Johnson's the answer. Really? Yeah, I feel like Lane is such a freak athlete. Like, and if you look at the tackles that have really become,

you know, like synonymous with like the dominant Kyle Schen, like, you know, Trent Williams as an example, like I do think that Lane Johnson is a good fit for what they're going to ask him to do. I still think Lane has enough movement skills where I feel great about if they're, you know, on the left hash and they're going to run outside zone to the right. Like Lane Johnson has like,

like the point of attack there, you feel great about that. So I don't know. And also it's good for Lane's legacy, right? Where, you know, if he has like another all-pro season in a, oh, it's a wide zone system, you know, it's, you know, Kyle Shannon McVeigh, you know, he's done it in different schemes. I think that that would be good for Lane. So I think Cam's the obvious answer, but I kind of think it's more fun to think about what Lane could look like in the system. I think you could make a similar case for Milata because he hasn't gone to the Pro Bowl yet. He hasn't made that level. And there are a few more sort of highlight level blocks of him out in open space. Maybe that ups his curating nationally a little bit.

Yeah. But yeah, it's interesting. He told a funny story Chris Cooper did about how he got drafted to the Broncos in, you know, a similar scheme, but a different, you know, an earlier generation of it where he was, you know, like 302 pounds. And he was the second heaviest guy in the whole room. And now he would be like the lightest guy in the room. And he's talking about how Mark Al Bell is so fortunate that he, you know, he, he, you know, he, he is this enormous massive man and yet he has other enormous massive guys in the room that he can look to. And he said four or five mutants in the room.

How did you feel about mutants? Oh, I love the mutant reference. You know, it seems like a common theme like where Milata is saying like these guys are not of this world. Like, yeah, there's definitely an appreciation for the unusual traits that a lot of these guys have. I found Chris Cooper's talk about like the evolution of offensive line in the system really interesting. Um, although I did want to push back. He said that Cam Juergens is one of the bigger centers in the league. Like I did a quick buzz through true media.

Like that's just not true. Yeah. Maybe he meant better. Maybe he's like, maybe he went one of the better centers in the league. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, because he's definitely not one of the bigger centers in the league, you know, um, athletic, yes. Uh, but anyway, I was looking through, um, yeah, and I pulled this quote from Chris Cooper as well.

He said, the, there, the evolution. that's the evolution of offense and end this league. Like you mentioned, he said. I was a division two player. I was probably between 300 and two, 305 pounds, which was the second biggest guy in the lineup. There was another guy who was 325,

and the Shanahan offense hadn't necessarily used to the guy that big before, but he was super athletic. So me being the second biggest guy at 302, I'd be a shrimp in this room in terms of weight, in terms of the weight I was carrying. They've all gotten bigger. They've all gotten stronger. They've all gotten a little bit more skilled.

Since I was on True Media before the show, I looked at the offensive linemen heights and weights from the 49ers, the Rams, the Eagles. And I threw the Packers in there too, just because of the Mannium connection. Do you want to guess, if you filter for like, I think I did 400 snaps, like significant playing time for the season, how many Eagles are in the top 10 of the heaviest offensive linemen? From last year. You going to lay it out again? Last season.

Okay. 49ers, Rams, Eagles and Packers. I'm looking at the 10 heaviest offensive linemen that played more than 400 snaps. Okay. Well, Milana for sure. I'm trying to think of guys who played more than 400 snaps who weren't the starters not sure.

Is Dickerson in the top 10? He is. And Lane as well? He's not. Okay. So only two. Or is there a backup? Fred.

Fred. Yeah. I don't think Lane hit the stat threshold, so that's why he's out there. I think Lane would be most if I had to guess because what's Lane way? Lane, according to the Eagles website, weighs 325, which is one pound lighter than Fred. So yes, he would also be in here. So the Eagles would have four in the top 10 if I lowered the stack out. So that shows you like-

And Chris Cooper would have been the second lightest offensive linemen in the Eagles room behind Willie Lampkin. behind Willie Lampkin. Yes. I was about to say he would have come in one pound lighter than Cam Juergens, right? One of the biggest centers in the league, apparently. But it shows you, like there are examples like Steve Avila, Kevin Dotson. Honestly, the Rams have three in the top five. So I think that that shows you probably what Chris Cooper is alluding to.

Like there is some, you know, momentum toward bigger offensive linemen for some of these teams running the McVeigh-Shannan system, which I think is interesting. because when you look at, when you think of it historically, you do envision like Cam Juergens types across the board, you know, smaller athletic offensive line. I think at least there's a little bit of evidence that some of the offenses that are from this tree are moving away from those smaller players

and, you know, are willing to have those bigger players across the offensive front. All right, good stuff. We'll take a quick break here on the PHAY Eagles podcast. On the other side, I will tell you the one thing that Chris Cooper said that he will do differently in Philadelphia than he did in Minnesota, a very interesting answer. Stay tuned.

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Tell him P.H.O.I. sent you. Welcome back to the P.H.O.E.G.S. Podcast, but Wolf E.J. Smith. Now, Chris Cooper last year in Minnesota, they dealt with a lot of injuries up front. And Chris Cooper, you know, in a way, he is, he's not making excuses, but he's, you know, giving a nod to the fact that, you know, that was a little bit unfortunate.

And he said, you know, know, maybe one thing that I would change. I'm going to cross-trained guys more across different positions than maybe a half in years past. Now, I tried to ask before this about how much different the way the Eagles monitor player health and stuff is to other places he's been because we know that this is a focus for the Eagles, you know, it's part of the reason their training camp has run the way it is. There's all this player monitoring stuff.

and the Eagles feel like they are at the forefront of this league-wide. So, you know, to have a guy who's been in a couple other places, how does this compare? And he took that more about, you know, what it's like to have been a player and to recognize when a player is playing through something. And can I give them, you know, a drill off and pay attention to their body language? But, you know, you would hope that the Eagles are not going to have the same degree of injuries that the Vikings had last year. But all of that said, it's sort of explain. explains why maybe we're seeing Markle Bell at right tackle when he's primarily a left tackle. Maybe we're going to see a little bit more shuffling throughout training camp of, you know,

especially the backups playing a bunch of different positions. Yeah, it's funny that that like realization dawned on him right as he joined the Eagle staff because it is something we're used to seeing to some degree, you know, and you hear a lot about the stories of Jeff Stoutland quizzing players on positions that maybe they didn't, you know, expect to play that day or, you know, coming out to practice and just Stoutland saying you're going to play right guard today even that you've been playing left guard so yeah i think it's important i think the markell bell one i think is like representative of maybe a departure from like what we're used to with stoutland yeah that's like i would not

how stout would have seen markelle bell at start and right tackle with the ones was under stoutland i mean the like the the nature of like a rookie was always kind of like you had to earn your way up there and yeah also like throwing them to the wolves like that well i think less about earning your way up and more about with stout it was you have to major one position early and then yeah once you've done that you can play another position now there was a bit of a departure from that in tyler steen's steen's rookie here um but that's generally the way that stout did things now steen played well he was mostly at tackle though he did right guard and then tackle yeah now that's a good point though you're right statlin does once you know he usually wanted you to like master one position before switching you

up, but I think it makes sense for Markill Bell. And I think it's been interesting to see it because it's like these reps are valuable for him now. So yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see how he takes to plan, right tackle. I know, again, like we've seen high level examples of guys struggling to play on the other side. But yeah, that's a good catch by you. Like, you know, the cross training being something that he's implemented just as he joined the Eagle staff. Gotcha.

Anything else on your end? I thought it was interesting his first answer about the Eagles commitment to the offensive line room and how that was a big appeal for him. You know, being somewhere that spent a lot of draft capital along the offensive line. I know that, you know, in Minnesota, they also, you know, use some premium picks on offensive linemen. But I can't imagine that most offensive line coaches view the Eagles as like a, you know, best case scenario for a spot you can land. He also said later, really good players make really good coaches, in my opinion. and we have really good players across the board on offense. Yeah, that's what you would expect?

What was your general takeaway from just the demeanor of the man? Like I said, he seems like an offensive line coach. You know, he's got that stern thing about it. I mean, you know, he was talking about he said like, I'm not going to get into the schematics on this. And Jeff McLean, you know, my former colleague was like, oh, you could get into the schematics if you want. And Chris Cooper didn't really laugh at that.

He was kind of just like, no, I just said I wasn't going to. get into that. Like, you know, you know, definitely a little stern, but I don't know. He seemed, I enjoyed his, um, his enthusiasm for some of the, the things that he think represent like the next wave of offensive line play. You know, some of the minutia, uh, he was talking about. I thought he could tell that he's a good coach. That was the most interesting thing he said. How he pronounced minutia. The way that he pronounced minutia. What did he say? Manusia. Uh, minutia. Minusia. Minnesia is how he said. And he said, manusia. And he said, and he's, and he's, and he's, and he He'd said it again.

So there was no, it was a really interesting dialect. I'd never heard that before. Yeah, it wasn't minuette. It wasn't minuette, but it's probably from the same tree as minueti. And he's read it a lot, but hasn't said it as much. Yeah, but he said it a couple of times. I felt like this was not a, necessarily a mispronunciation and more of a dialectic.

An accent? Like, yeah. Like, this is how they say it where he's from. Manusia. I think that's what was Manusia Manusia It was a you

It was definitely a you Yeah, it was like a forceful He's from He's from Anchorage Arkansas So Manusia Alaska, sorry

That's my bad Wasn't paying attention to school that day Anchorage Alaska I saw that AK And I was like You saw AK and you thought that was Arkansas Especially it being Anchorage I got no defense.

He doesn't give Alaska. You don't think so? To me, no. Manisha. I'm still bad at myself that I got the state abbreviations wrong. That's bad work by me. You know, I had other things on my mind when I was in grade school. But it's pretty bad coming after Anchorage.

Well, I froze on the AK. I was like, oh, no. You should watch the tape back and watch me do that in slow motion. It really did happen. It was like a car crash. I couldn't get out of it. Grace, I had the exact same thought. She says, I was wondering, wow, I didn't know there was another anchorage in Arkansas. I'm sorry, everybody. I got to do better. Hand up on that one. That's all right. Always learning. Maybe, hopefully.

That's the great, it's great, E.J. is always trying to get better. You know, but that point in my life, I just had other things on my mind. You know, I wasn't learning the state abbreviations. That early? Getting it done in and out of the classroom. In second grade? Honestly. Wow. Anyway, what was your impression of him?

What did you think of the man? Oh, football guy. Yeah. I think he leans clearly a lot into having been a player. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about that? It's fine.

I mean, that's his experience. He should use it as a, he should use it as a positive. Yeah. I don't know. It's a little bit like, I guess yeah, you're right, knowing what they're going through. But can you overstate that? You can overstate like, I know exactly how you feel. You know, I thought he has that experience, so he should use that experience to his, to his credit. Yeah, I agree. It's a valuable resource for him. But like your question about, you know, dealing with players who have been injured, I think it's a little bit like it should go beyond just like you knowing that what it's like to play hurt. Yeah, but I could, I mean, I could ask that question better. I've been more specific.

Don't be hard on yourself. I thought you asked a question. Well, it's fine. The only other thing that I thought was noteworthy here. Oh, him talking about tracking linebackers being different. I think that that is like an interesting subplot from the scheme change. I just, how many times did we hear from Lane Johnson or Jordan Milata or honestly Landon talked about it too, about all the unscouted looks and all the weird looks they were getting in the run game last year? And I remember specifically Lane Johnson talking about like defense is shifting their linebackers over to throw off their combo blocks.

And it seems like, you know, this outside zone system is going to make it less difficult for them to diagnose things right at the, right at the step and right after the stamp. you know, with the inside, with the inside zone system, a lot of times you do have someone working up to that linebacker and, you know, the way that you have to track the linebackers complicated. And, you know, I think that you saw them really struggle with it last year. This seems like it is going to be a little bit more straightforward for them. And I think, you know, the answers have kind of backed that up, you know, with Chris Cooper again saying today, like tracking linebackers is going to be different in this system. So I don't know. I think it's just interesting. It seems a little bit more kind of like when going back to the season, it seems more like, you know, they're not as reactive. They're kind of dictating a little bit more to those linebackers. So I think it's interesting. Yeah, I think I'm curious how different things are going to look to, you know, us on the outside. Are we really going to be able to tell that the offensive linemen are being asked to do much different things?

I think it'll be clear. I mean, I don't know. I feel like wide zone teams and inside zone teams look so different, you know, and how they operate. You know, I think that, I think it should suit what the Eagles have up front, though. I mean, Landon Dickerson, I think is probably the question mark. Like, how does he look in a scheme that requires him to have more lateral quickness and, you know, side-to-side movement?

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You know what I was thinking about Parks, Frazier? You don't get a lot of plural noun first names. Never thought about that. Yeah. Right. The first thing I thought was like River. but no that's that's that one though that's a be plural yeah first name specifically uh brooks brooks brooks is a good one yeah brooks brooks um shout out the brooks yeah all right let us know in the chat what are the what are the plural noun first names that we're forgetting

there's got to be a few it's going to light the world on fire and if you're listening after the fact after you hit the like button comment below with the plural nouns. I wonder how many, I wonder how many eagles in the time I'm covering the team have had plural noun first name. Now I know what you're going to be doing at 10.15 tonight. Her son Nolan was almost a Brooks.

Mm. Looks a good taste of names. Elite name. Lindsay, Lindsay can name a kid now. Oh, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay's name and all that. She was a problem. I bet a baby name hate to see Lindsay coming. You both have done an excellent job naming babies, I should say.

Miles is a good one. Miles is a good. Oh, that's a good one. James. I don't understand that. Is that a joke I'm not getting it? Yeah. I don't think it's Joe 76 has done better. Joe 76 said Boston, Texas, which is funny.

But to be accurate to my misappribution there, it would probably be like Boston, Maine, just not knowing the difference there, like Boston, Mississippi or something like that. Right. So, yeah. All right. So we talk to Parks Frazier.

You will remember Parks Frazier as the youngster who was thrown into the play-calling cauldron after the firing of Frank Reich and the installation of Jeff Saturday, as Colts head coach, had that little stint. And then from there, went to the Dolphins, and then was with the Eagles last year as their past game coordinator before getting the job as quarterbacks coach this offseason, E.J. In a move that I think surprised us a little bit in as much as this was not a Sean Mannion hire necessarily. It was a little bit of a surprise that they stayed in the building for this job, given the fact that they were importing so much of a new scheme, what were your takeaways from Mr. Frazier.

Yeah, I thought it was interesting hearing him talk about Jalen Jalen Hertz's demeanor in the room and kind of what that experience has been like. He dropped the thing that we've spent so much time talking about on the show, which is like, you know, that he's eager to give Jalen the why. You know, like that that's something that Jalen always is looking for, that Jalen asks a lot of good questions. And, you know, I thought that that was probably the most illuminating thing that he talked about was kind of like enjoying the process of working through the system in the room. with Jalen Hertz. Yes. My initial reaction, you know, he hasn't talked to the media in a while,

probably not really since his time in Indianapolis. It seemed like it was a little bit, a little bit shy-ish in the beginning. And I'm wondering to myself, how is this guy going to hold up in the front of the room with Jalen Hertz? But he settled down. And listen, I don't know what it's going to look like,

But I thought I gave some good answers. Yeah, I thought that, I think that's a fair assessment. It's funny because he's the same exact age as Sean Mannion, which I think shows you how much more comfortable Sean Mannion is just doing these types of things. But yeah, I thought, you know, when he talked about trying to make the complex things look simple and the simple things look complex, you know, which is an important thing in these systems, you know, I thought, you know, I can start to like see a little bit of like a glimpse why the Eagles felt like he was, you know, that bridge between, you know, the systems that they've run

and obviously the system that they're trying to implement now. So, yeah, I mean, I agree, like, he wasn't necessarily, like, always, like, super insightful on, like, the scheme in a way that you can understand. But I at least could see, like, some hints that, like, as to what he is probably, like, in front of the room. Yeah, I thought he gave a good answer to actually, like, what he learned from that process, having... It was a good question about you. A short-term coordinator for the Colts. He said a 25-page word doc.

You know, filled it up when the season was over. All the things that he learned and he wanted to learn. And what that informed was the things that he wanted to continue to learn. And so essentially, you're reading between the lines that he sought out this system. And he went to go work for Mike McDaniel for that reason. You know, after having grown up in the Frank Reich system, wanted to add that to his offensive knowledge base. And so he spends the time there and then comes to Philadelphia and is now charged with helping to implement the installation of the system.

So it's, you know, he made a good bet, I guess. Yeah. You saw that coming and we'll see how it goes. Yeah. Also mentioned that Frank Reich was the efficient at his wedding, which I found interesting. Yeah, I think there's more to it. I think he, I think there's like a, he married someone in the family, potentially. Am I wrong about that?

Frank Craig married into his family, is what you're saying? No, I'm, is it Park's married to his family or something? No. Maybe. Google didn't work. Not like Google did not give me any insight. Classic AI. I'm not using AI, I promise.

We'll get to that in a couple months. yeah no it says uh yeah we will it's good tease uh it says that part yeah it says frank rake officiated his new assistant's wedding in 2020 former reporter for the colts website that's okay mm getting it done it inside inside and outside the building what else did you find interesting from from parks that would be like if that would be like if in 2013 I married who would have been an equivalent Shea Tierney

I think you could have done like somebody a little bit more prestigious, right? No offense to Shea? Well, yeah, did they get married when he was the court in or when he was still a young and up-and-comer?

He was probably a young and up-and-comer, but I mean, yeah, okay. All right, I think Shay Tierney is probably not a bad court. Larry there. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. I can do way better. Oh, for sure. Yeah. That's why I thought you were going to go some, I thought you were going to shoot a little higher than that. Well, the equivalent person on the totem pole. Fair enough. I thought his answer about the footwork. I think that job initially. Yes, to try and get, try and get chose as the kids to say. A young

hot shot coach. trying to bag you an assistant coach somebody fast-track to the head coaching. You get to live at home and never see your spouse ever. Oh, I would not enjoy not seeing my spouse. Of course, of course. But if it was Shay Tierney, then that would be great. Yes, if it was Shay Tierney, no. Shea Tierney is probably watching the show.

It's like, why? Why did you need to use me as this punching bag for this bed? A world where you never see your spouse. I mean, I'd be lost, man. Anyway, so Parks Fraser on the importance of footwork in the system, I thought it was noteworthy that. I knew this is where you were going. First word I heard you speak.

I was like, oh, I know a question about footwork. Hate to say EG coming. I mean, it's important, EG. I know. The G stands for great footwork. work. I think it's one of the biggest, I think it's important. One of the bigger questions about how Jalen will fit in this scheme. And you know, I'd heard that Jalen and Parks Fraser in particular like work on this. So I wanted to ask him about it. Yeah, I was surprised he kind of played it

down a little bit. Yeah, I mean, he said that Jalen's embracing it. He said, we're still doing the front end of a lot of that, just teaching more foundation. But he so far has done an outstanding, outstanding job of just working on those things and understanding the importance of it when we talk about the play style and the big picture of the offense and the quarterback's role in it. So he's done a really good job with that. Have you noticed that there's been a lot of playstyle talk from all of the coaches on both sides of the ball? Good point.

This must be a Nick Siriani message this offseason that the play style is a big part of what they're trying to drill into this team in the early going here. I don't know exactly what that is. I can probably guess it's tough detail them together based off my time around Nick. But yeah, play style keeps coming up from all these coaches. Yeah, it does. It is absolutely an emphasis, I would imagine, given how much I'd talk about it. How do you make about how do you make of Parks, Frazier, saying that he was asked about,

like, how do you coach a guy like Jalen who's been through so much and been through so many changes? And he says, you coach him like you coach anybody else, where you try to get him better and show him the why. I mean, that's just the answer. It may not be how he actually approaches it, but would you try to coach Jalen the way that you coach everybody? No, I definitely wouldn't. It's not like the Lane Johnson thing,

but I think he's just, I think it's fair to say that Jalen can be demanding in the room, and that probably dictates how you coach. It's kind of the opposite of the Chris Cooper answer where it's like you coach everybody differently, you have to be adaptable. But I think at the end of the day, all these are mostly just, you know, platitudes.

Yeah, exactly. You know, I thought it was interesting. Don't you think it would be funny to be on the other side of this? And like, you talk to the, you talk to reporters like once, maybe twice a year, and you're just up there speaking extemporaneously. And you say something that like, you're just feeling a sentence. I mean, it would be like if somebody took an entire episode of the podcast and like really micro-analyzed every sentence we said.

And like, what do you think he meant by this? What was the hidden meaning behind this? And it was like, man, I'm just, I'm just trying to get to the end of the answer. Yeah, yeah. And especially with these guys, like, they are just trying to say as little as possible sometimes. So, but yeah, he said something about like, oh, we don't want to look. It's about where we're headed, not necessarily where things have been, you know, when it comes to like Jalen dealing with, you know, coordinator over, you know,

like a lack of continuity with offensive coordinators over the last. few years. And that is another thing where it's like, it sounds nice, but like it probably isn't true. Like, you know, you're not going to think about where you've been at all. Like, I'm sure that they talk about this was called X when you were in Kalamor's system or, you know, when, you know, it was Kevin Petulow's verbage. I think it's natural that they probably do that stuff. So, yeah, you're right. We could probably parse this a little bit too much at times. There was one answer he gave that I did find myself not, I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth. which is, oh, this is a, I don't know if that's true moment.

Well, maybe. I mean, he was asked about, you know, the, everybody's, everybody's favorite football topic du jour, which is pure progression reads versus coverage reads. And, you know, how much of a difference is this going to be for Jalen? And, you know, how much is this offense going to be predicated on that? And he said, well, you know, it sort of depends on the defense. It could change week to week. Like it could be, you know, based on what you.

expecting to see it could be a pure progression week one week and then the next week you're facing a different kind of defense and you would go just to coverage reads and I mean maybe that's true but if you're if you're talking about like giving this offense an identity and like really honing in on teaching points I find like my I find myself doubting that yeah yeah there's certainly like I'm sure that's true but yeah yeah yeah it seems more like I'm going to use one of your words, obfuscation. How did I do with the pronunciation?

Obfuscation. Obfuscation. There's no first S. Obfuscation. Thank you. There you go. I'm learning. See? Lifetime, lifetime learning.

I think that that's mostly what that is. I think he's just trying to be evasive and not say. Because you know, let's again, let's acknowledge this. If Nick Siriani is, you know, yeah, Nick Siriani is listening. to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on his way home. And he listens to us go, man, Parks Fraser said that they're going to be a pure progression team this year because, you know, that is the way that the modern NFL is going. Nick would turn his car around.

For sure. You're absolutely right. And going to Parks Frazier's office, and if Parks wasn't there, he would wait for Parks to get back. He would freak out on him for giving us any insight on what the offense is going to look like. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Nick would sleep in the office in the off season, which, you know, he stays later than Sean Mannion. Yeah, we keep hearing that story, right? Yeah, the Sean Manion, man. I've only heard it once, CJ.

I don't know what you talk about. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, yeah. Sean's burning that midnight oil. Yeah. You know, maybe I'll see if I can stay here later than Sean Mannion today. Oh, that would be a good bit. It would be a good story. That actually would be a good story.

We shouldn't have said it on the show. I could just sit in the bargain lot. the PR people probably would find out and kick me out. Maybe. Yeah. Okay. All right.

That'll do it for the PHOY Eagles podcast. Just kidding. We're going to break. I got you, didn't I? Big reveal. On the other side? Come up. Yeah, sure.

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James Prochet. Prochet. You did a good job there. I had to look up how to pronounce it. Yep. James Prochet. It's a tough show for me. You're doing a great job. Thank you. He is a former six-round pick of the Baltimore Ravens in 2020. He played college football at SMU.

he spent last season with the Tennessee Titans, he had six catches for 65 yards. Good year. So, yeah, I mean, honestly, it's one of his better years. His best year was in 2021, he had 60. If I had six catches for 65 yards

in an NFL season, that'd be, I'd be riding on sky high. I mean, absolutely, but it's all relative, you know. Tough show for me, too. Listen, we're doing the best we can. It's a different time.

You know, he's trying, yeah, it's all good. All right, you want to be the big reveal? Oh, no. Am I ready? I don't know. I'm not sure I'm ready. So let me do a little preamble here before I do it.

I'm not going to do it yet. It's hot outside. We're going to – Julie and I are going on vacation next week. We're going somewhere where it's going to be even hotter. Maybe we could talk about that later. So I thought I haven't had like a real buzz cut in a while. And I was thinking, like, it'd probably be a good time of the year. year to get a buzz cut.

I won't be on the show so I can, you know, kind of if it goes terribly, I can soft launch it, grow my hair back out and come back without the bus cut. And I got to be honest, I got humbled a little bit by the bus cut experience. It's a little thinner up top that I was expecting. So we're going to unveil it, but I'm going to be wearing. Yeah. Let me tell everybody, stay tuned because in order to see this, you go let me tell you about the Phillies tailgate promo that we got.

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Thank you. Like I said, got a little humbled. Might need to do some scout massages here. But I texted Shealy's like, yeah, it's a good-looking dome. I think you're ready for bald. I think I can do it. It feels a bit of a bald evangelist. He wants everybody to cut the cord.

I think you look great. Thank you. I'm probably going to grow up back out, if I'm being honest. But it has been nice, you know. It's been nice to get the cold air on the scalp, you know, had the windows down. There's just some times where it's like you're reflexively. You're like, oh, my God, like the wind is going to mess my hair up. Not having that.

It's been pretty nice. That is nice. Yeah. But I'm gonna be honest, I'm putting the hat back on. So if you missed it, you gotta just go back and wash it. Like washing your hair in the shower. Yeah, so like washing your hair in the shower is, I need way less product that I was anticipating,

which happens. But I have, I've been, like, it's not, like the payoff isn't as good either, you know, because it's like the conditioner, like it makes your hair all soft. And I just don't have any hair. So it's like, you know, it doesn't really, doesn't really move the needle.

importantly what does julia think so julia was really she liked my hair the way it looked before and i was the one that was like just let me cut this off you know let me cut it all off um so she was okay with it i was worried she was going to be upset she wasn't upset he's very supportive um but i think she wants me to grow up back out and i probably will grow up back out to be fair but for for the summer it's a nice it's a nice uh it's a nice cut it's a nice i don't know if i like summer doma i don't know if i like summer doma my barber definitely thought i was having like a nervous breakdown when i told him he's like freaked out he was like i was like he's like what do you want i'm like a two all over and he goes what do you mean so cdp says what if it doesn't grow back i mean listen

that's our g says it's time to come home he still uses conditioner he just likes the way it feels Yeah, I got to get some like some sunscreen for the for the scalp So give me some recommendations if you if you if you have some Summer Domit Summer Domit Yeah Aerodynamic It's like I this is my baldyani area

You feel faster Um No not really I feel clear clear minded you know like when Nick Siriani shades his head and the Eagles went to the Super Bowl. You know, this is just the beginning of the PHOI Eagles podcast taken off, you know. It's like beginning of good things for us because I share it. Well, you know what that means.

You got to yell at some fans. I could do that. We have fans everywhere. You know, we got a whole chat full of fans. Oh, the chat's gassing you up. They say it looks great. No, I'm saying. I could just yell at them to, you know, get the juju, get the good juju.

I understand. Yeah. How dare you disrespect Frank Reich? How dare you do that? Well, that wasn't that game. Oh, it was the Browns game. I'm just thinking at times Nick yells and yelled at the fans. I don't have anything to say about the Browns fans, the people of Cleveland.

Okay. All right, what else you got on your mind? How was your weekend? My weekend was good. I played golf on Thursday. Wow. I gardened all morning. I played golf.

And then when I got home, there were two 50-pound boxes of dog food waiting for me. So I knew in that moment when I saw the boxes, I was like, my back is going to be all messed up because just too much activity, you know, going to throw the back out, carrying those boxes, getting old. And then it felt fine on Friday, but I sat too much is the issue. Like you sit all day, the day after a busy day that's like going to stress out your lower back, I woke up Saturday morning I could barely walk like I was in so much pain so you know did the back stretches

I got a series of stretches the hip stretches hamstrings because usually if your back hurts it's like the compensatory stuff so did all that and I felt really good after I did that you signed a big free agent contract here before or somebody signed one of your guys

I don't know I'm sorry the references compensatory I get it Okay, gotcha. I was trying to think what players signed a contract. It was like a second of a beat too long. It was not worth it. That's good.

It's fine. So I was feeling good the rest of the day. I got the heat on in the car. It's just all the old man tricks. And then Julie and I finished the second part of our gardening. We got a big hydranja. And this thing must weigh like 50 pounds. And I like am stupidly trying to lift it into the cart myself.

And I was going to put it in the car myself. But I got some help from a guy. who was much younger than me, thankfully. Thankfully, but yeah, feeling better now. But yeah, had to really manage the lower back pain this week in a way that made me feel especially old. Probably older than I even am, honestly. Bit of a flex. I mean, I'm a little young to be like having like debilitating back pain, right?

You don't have back pain, do you? Oh, I go through. Periods of having tough back pain, yeah. I don't have it at the time. Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like going on 32, I probably shouldn't be having back pain to some of this young. You're a young man. Yeah, it doesn't always feel like it, though.

I agree. Yeah, but I did my 90-90s. I did my hip flexor stretches, my figure four. Name 90 people from the 90s, go. 90 people from the 90s, like born in the 90s. like born in the 90s or like prominent in the 90s Michael Jordan. Steve Kerr. Are you an 82 and O guy?

Oh yeah. I am an 82 and O guy. But here's the thing. I've gone through different periods of 82 and O. So you get the 82 and O, you get your first one. That feels fun. Then you try to do like, okay, how low can I go? That is fun.

I get a team that's, but like, you can. can't really get all the way low. Then I did one where I was like, okay, I want to get, I want to be the perfectly mediocre team. I want to get 41 and 41. That was fun. What I think the most fun way to play 82 and O would be, would be with a group of people and you do like a random number generator from zero to 82 and you get a number of wins that you're trying to get and then everybody gets one. Oh, yeah. closest to the pin who gets who gets the closest to that win total and then you do it again you do different ones now i've also been doing the 20 and oh the football one but i only do this i only do this trying to get a team of all ex-egals this is why you are who you are i want to appreciate you for a minute like your creativity with games it was jimmy kemski's idea but it's the only way it's the only way to play the game as far as i'm concerned your creativity with games is

unlike any other. Fran also said that he was enjoying playing 20 and 0 by trying to only use former Eagles. Yeah, it's too easy to just try to get a good team. That's not that fun. Well, you're going to hate this for me. The big reveal for me is that I play on classic.

I'm done with the IQ. Who am I trying to impress? I don't care. Like, if I'm looking at a bunch of players from the 80s from like a team that I don't even care about, I don't know who these players are. Just give me the stats.

Yeah, but if you're trying to really do it, like to get the best team, then that doesn't feel fun, I feel like. Yeah, I don't have that need to prove that I know exactly how many receiving yards like Adrian Peterson had. And that's not the best example. I was going to say Adrian Peterson with the commanders, but that's not a good example.

There are certain players on certain teams where I'm like, I don't know how many sacks like Tomahali had. I know I like that guy. It's so different than basketball. Like, I mean, like a football team of like, you know,

no offensive line and it's, uh, it's, uh, fantasy football site. Like, you know, it's not,

it's, it's fake to begin with. So that's why it's just a good remember some games vehicle. Yeah. And also like some of the players that you would want to draft aren't actually good picks because they don't have like the count in stats to go, go along with it.

Like Kevin By. in that game is like a game changer man because he has those um higher reception seasons so i don't know it's i don't mind i don't mind having the stats and yeah joe 76 i wasn't a cheat code guy when i was young of course when i was playing grant duff auto of course i'm using the cheat codes where did you get the cheat codes uh i don't remember the website there was like some kind of like you know shady website yeah yeah you get them you look them up when i was playing vice city on my parents computer. Well, find out what else EJ was looking up on his parents' computer in

Bovertah. I was doing my homework on my parents' computer. That's what I was doing. I bet you were. All right. I mean, I really don't have much else to talk about it. I got one more story related to the stiff back. So I had to return something from a local golf store.

And this is like a used golf club store. I won't give any free advertisement. So I'd return it. And I had these like really cool clubs in the lefty section and there's never anything good in the lefty section. And I haven't as long as club since I played on Thursday. I played okay. I shot at 47 on the front nine. I did not play the back nine.

That's the only reason I'm saying only the front nine score. And like, that I was like, oh, these clubs are really cool. Like these are like fancy, like handcrafted clubs and like people say they feel so good when you like hit them out of the middle. So I like, I told Julie it's like, I know my back's bothering me. I'm just going to do one. to do one. I'm just going to swing it, like, just hit one ball with them to set up. And like, I can feel the audience. Like, I can feel people kind of like peering over and watching me. Perfect, perfect strike. Sounded so good. I was like, yeah, I still got it.

Good for you. I'm a bad golfer, but that was my mom. But then you didn't get the club? Oh, I'm not buying those clubs. They're expensive. They're like weird, too. It's like they're like rusty and they're supposed to be rusty. You know? Yeah, not buying them, but it felt good. So good to have that moment. Here's the thing you need to know. Minicamp practices this week, start tomorrow. What that means, show is going to be at 4 o'clock again,

tomorrow and Wednesday, most likely. But that means we will also get to tell you everything that happened at minicamp. Now, these are mandatory, not optional. So in theory, we expect Lane Johnson to be there, Jalen Carter, potentially. the guys who have not been there yet. Curious to see if Tanner McKee will actually get some snaps with the Tuesday this time, who knows?

I mean, being their back-to-back days might be important for that. Yeah, you're right. So we will have a lot to tell you about full practice report coming to you tomorrow at 4 o'clock in the PHO by Eagles show. We look forward to talking to you then. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, E.J. Thank you, everybody.

Let us know your plural noun, Eagles. Or your street name. If you can name a street near the link after a great eagle, give us some like deep cuts. Give us somebody that we haven't thought of. Hashtag summer doman. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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