PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Why the analytics PROVE Mike McDaniel is the Eagles’ best choice for offensive coordinator job

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

After Nick Sirianni and Howie Roseman’s year-end news conference affirmed that the Eagles’ next offensive coordinator will have the autonomy, it’s becoming clearer who their No. 1 option should be. Bo Wulf, EJ Smith and Deniz Selman go through the advanced analytics to make the case for Mike McDaniel AND REVEAL the winner of Swooper Soarcasting, Flew World Order, and Spread Your Wins and Fly. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast. On a Friday afternoon, we are live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, you've seen us before. Not that exciting. But get pumped for the professor who's in town. I don't ruin anywhere. I live here. I mean, in town in the studio. Gotcha. What's going on?

They've seen me. I know. We're twinning. We're brothers. Big brothers. Bow Wolf wore it first, I have to say. You owned the hoodie before me. I feel like I got to take the L on this one.

You guys got to send me in the middle. You're allowed to wear it. I just wanted to use the line. I put it on today. I was excited about that. In my mind, I knew there was a chance that you were also going to wear it. I put it on today.

Easy Friday one. I barely remembered you owed the hoodie. The whole reason you like it. Hey, and here we've got fellow professors. Yeah. A little synergy going on here. Two professors. There you go.

Unlike us. Professor, you are a fan. I am. I am. How are you holding up? Fran texted me to ask me something about like, you know, what he thinks fans would want to hear and not hear on the Monday show.

And it's good that you guys delayed the Monday show because I had my phone off until like 4 p.m. on Monday. I didn't even get his text until then because, yeah, I don't handle it well. Yeah, it sucks. You put in all this time and energy and suspension of disbelief that they're going to figure it out, you know, like all this stuff. And then especially for it to be, and we'll get more into my thoughts on the game a little bit later on the show.

But like for it to be such a microcosm of the season on offense, like, you know, it like makes it even worse. You know, like I would have preferred some completely different way to lose, honestly, and been like, well, you know, they fixed some of those things. And then it was just other random stuff that got us, you know. And it was, it was like exactly the same mistakes. There's no better way to describe it than the way that Fran did earlier in the week. Yeah. But. Worst band in the world.

Yes. And they're playing all the hits. Like blink 182 if they played all their hits. But it really was like it's crazy. It's crazy that they had all of these different things to solve all season long. And they didn't solve any of them. I know. And it was different on defense and we'll get into that.

I thought the defense was was disappointing in a way that hadn't been during the season. We can talk about those things. But yeah, no, it sucks. And you look at the teams playing this weekend, and you're like, man, like, these teams aren't that good. You know what I mean? Like, you have this, like, thought, even after the Eagles are out, like, I'm such a fan that I'm still thinking.

Like, man, like, we would have beaten the Bears or whatever. But, like, you know, obviously that's not how it works. It's also worth remembering last year. You know, Jalen Carter doesn't get that sack against the Rams or whatever. Like, there is a randomness to it. Sometimes I think, especially in football, because there are so few games, we tend to think like after the season is over that we learn something.

Oh yeah, we ascribe all kinds of narrative. Oh, it turns out the truth is like this. And it's like, well, no, like there's an alternate universe that may have been more likely than the one that happens where the Eagles are out in the divisional last year. And then what are we talking about? We're talking about a new head coach.

We're talking about all kinds of things. So like, I just think, you know, it's worth remembering that like part of what makes it fun is the randomness of it. Sure. And part of it was random. but in the case of this offense, like obviously. Well, and it's funny.

In the case of this, and I know that this is not necessarily breaking any new ground, but if you look at the up and down every other year thing, I mean, if they had just had Brian Johnson's offense, they would be in the Super Bowl. I know, I know, and that's crazy to think about that. And it is probably, it is unfair to Brian Johnson the way that those two years get lumped together. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That offense was fine. Actually, like, I didn't, like, you know, prepare them for the show today, but, like, maybe we can do it. in a future, like a slower news week or whatever, like I just made a bunch of like charts comparing the five years that's how you call. That's how you call. Charity's been here.

I know. Yeah, someone wrote that on social and it's so true. They were like, you know, some people like, you know, they turn to drugs or alcohol. Some people do this. Like, Dennis makes charts. It could be worse. Yeah, no, I make a lot of charts.

I make charts when I'm happy too, but. And it is funny, like how bad this offense was compared to all of the other ones, including 2023, which the 2023 offense wasn't that bad. Right. Like it turned, there were, there were so many turnovers. It was like relative to how much talent they had. It was still bad, but not catastrophic the way it was this year.

No, and it was like a well above average offense. Like the problem with that team was the defense and the, because the offense turned the ball over in key situations, I think like that got, you know, highlighted a little more than, you know, EJ Newswise at the top of the show here, we have a, we have one little piece of information here. another contender has been added for the Eagle Search. Yeah, so the Eagles, this is according to Adam Schefter,

are interviewing Zach Robinson for the offensive coordinator opening. Zach Robinson spent some time with the Los Angeles Rams, but most recently was the offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons. Play caller, are we going to working for a defensive head coach? Yeah, experience play caller. I actually think this, and I don't want to make this like a hot take, But, like, the way that we talk about Nate Sheelhaus is how we talked about Zach Robinson a few years ago. Well, that's true.

I think that that is objectively true. I'm not saying that Nate Sheehaus and the guy who worked with Sean McVeigh. Right. Yeah, it's the experience of Sean McVeigh is a big selling point. Exactly. Yep, they interviewed him. I remember being in the building when the Eagles interviewed him as a draft, when they brought him in for a pre-draft visit. Really? Yeah.

Oh, wow. That's a flex by you. Yeah. He's 39 now. And the, I believe the takeaway at the time was handsome young fella. Okay. And if you look at the photos, another thing I will say, just to keep it here.

If you see the right angle and you squint a little bit, looks a little bit like Doug Peterson. Maybe that's why I like him. I could see where you're coming from with that. Like, yeah, yeah. A little bit. Like a cross between Doug and Kellyn Moore. A little bit.

See the eyes are a little. Telling way more. Zach Robinson from, you know, just the research that I did, a lot of pistol, a lot of outside zone. I think he's one of the least frequent users of play action in the NFL. So probably similar in some ways to what the Eagles, how the Eagles operate offensively. Obviously, you're not getting the scheme lord. Yeah, well, but I guess his experience with Sean McVey, I think, is probably the selling point. And the fact that he's got play calling experience.

It's not the splashy hire. It's not the higher we're going to talk about what Dane is later in the show. But I do think you made a good point a couple days ago, Bo. You make a lot of good points. That's true. I agree with that. But you talked about how the Eagles maybe could target like a Shane Steichen type, somebody who has play-calling experience, somebody who was highly thought of at one point that maybe had a stop in their career that didn't go as well.

I think that Zach Robinson does fit that bill. I'm not selling Zach Robinson here. He wasn't in my top five. But I do think that he kind of fits the mold as like someone who at the very least has good experience and was viewed as an innovator a few years ago. Downside is in the same way that Scott Leffler was a bit of a red flag because of the Scott S-C-O-T. Zach Robinson Z-H-C? Yeah. I think you've got to be a little bit wary.

Is that the lowest Zach spelling power ranking you'll give? No doubt. Now I feel like I've got to put you on the spot. What's number one? at the top. Oh, really? No doubt. You mean, you love Zach Bonn. I like Zach Bond, but Z, A, C, is a little bit... Is it because the full name

has an H and you're just shortening it normally? Is that fine? Yeah. But just... Aesthetically, the C is far superior. You're adding a letter that isn't in the name. I believe. I think in modern times, could we argue? I'm not, I don't have a dog in this fight. Then there's a guy who said, Zach Pickens, who is the two H's? Is that right?

Zach. Z-A-C-H-H? Wait, what? I think that's a thing. That's crazy. CH shouldn't actually make the sound like Zach. It should be like Zatch. Yeah. Oh, no.

Zach Pickens is Z-A-C-C-H, two C's. A little bit better than two H's, but still, somebody, I mean, that's like a typo. Somebody just left their thumb on there and then you just kept. Somebody's name, man. There are Latin languages where it's C-H, like in, like in Italian. C-H can be a case in. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

All right, let's get to the big takeaway presented by Xfinity, and we got a lot to talk about on the show today. We are going to get into Mike McDaniel. The professor is going to sort of break down stylistically what would be so different about him versus what we've seen with the Eagles and also talk about some of the other candidates. We're going to give him a chance to get some things off his chest

about the final game of the season. At the end, Fran is going to join us, and we are going to review the season-long games that have come to a close, But we start E.J. and Professor with just extra reactions to yesterday's press conference with Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani. From the outside looking in, Professor, what was your big takeaway? You guys covered a bunch of the stuff that I was thinking in last night's show.

It was surprising that it was such a short press conference. It was a little surprising that, like, so many of the questions were asked in Nick. You guys covered all this stuff. It was a little surprising that Howie didn't have an opening message that we were talking a little bit about how like Howie got asked so few questions that twice he felt the need to just like interrupt the press conference and give a speech.

Yeah, which tells you that I don't agree with the perception that the organization was really trying to make Nick. Yeah, I think, yeah. Howie's up there, Howie wants to talk. It's true, yeah. I mean, he went on the long rant about how great Nick is, how elite he is, a game management and all those things, which was very strange. And then at the very end, he like just on his own said, like, just so you know, like, you can win now and also do well in the future, which he's said a million times in the past.

But he was clearly expecting someone to ask him that and he didn't. I had two questions for you guys, which you didn't talk about yesterday. The first one, when Nick was asked about, like, how much of a role Jalen's going to play in the OC search. Yeah. He went out of his way to mention, like, other names as well. Yes. And he mentioned, you know, yeah, of course. course we're going to talk to, you know, I'm going to talk to Mr. Lurie.

I'm going to talk to Howley. Landon Dickerson. He didn't mention, he didn't mention Devonte. He said, Jayland. Eventually he said AJ. He said, Ceylon catches the strays, by the way. Well, my question is, captainship.

That's what I mean. Sorry, go ahead. My questions about, my questions about, my questions about, my questions about A.J. And actually, my question works in two ways. So, he mentioned AJ as being involved in the people that he's talking to about the new OC candidates, which, two questions for you guys. One, what are the odds that AJ will want to stay as a result of who the OC is, like the identity of the O.C. And then let me ask the second part, because they play kind of hand in hand.

The odds that the candidates will prioritize whether AJ is here when assessing the attractiveness of the job. And the reason I'm asking this together is because there's a game being played there where you may need some communication between AJ and the candidates to make that picture clearer for both sides. Like, how much of that do you think is going on? Well, first off, how did you feel about the question itself? Wait, we did derail it with a pound on the back. Yes, it was real good. I mean, no, feedback is important. It was a very professorially delivered.

I think that's a very good question. It is a good question. Because there's no doubt that any candidate worth their salt is asking pointedly, what's the future hold for AJ Brown? Is he going to be here? And if the Eagles are telling that candidate that he is going to be here, then I think you're probably right that they would want that dialogue to to assure themselves of that.

I don't know if the Eagles are telling candidates that. Right. That's the thing. It's like, and I mean, I don't know how it normally works, but like how much are you actually involving AJ? Like when they talk to Zach Robinson,

or is AJ going to be involved in any way in this interview? I would be surprised if there's a lot of dialogue there. I mean, the AJ mentioned there from Nick also felt kind of like, oh, yeah, I should just say him too. It was like a random list of like star players. I don't think it was an admission that he's actually talking to him.

My read is someone who sits in a lot of Nixiriani press conferences is he does this sometimes when he starts listing players. He can't get himself out of it. Smile, Mondin's a good linebacker too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that was my read on it, but I do think it's a good question on, because I think what you have to do is you have to parse what A.J. Brown has said about his frustrations

and read between the lines of what the root of his frustrations may be. So, you know, just for the record, like there is some interpretation that I will be doing here. But if his frustration is solely on the structure of the offense, then yeah, an offensive coordinator change would change that. Yeah, you would think so. I think that there's more there is what I would say. I think there's also obviously a lot of this conversation is happening through agents, right?

So I think there's probably agent-to-agent conversations going on about AJ's preferences. And I also think from the Eagles perspective, if it is that they can't guarantee AJ's going to be here, I'm sure they are saying we're going to try to keep him if not I promise you how he is going to get you offensive talent that is like there will be offensive talent to work with

that is our big priority this offseason right right okay um yeah no I think that's that's kind of what I'm thinking as well I was interested in your guys perspective you guys know a lot more about how things work in the building my second question is

somewhat related to this you guys talked about and this is obviously true at this point. Like the way the cycle of the roster, we're at the point now where you're going to have to start paying the defensive players. A lot of the offensive stars are aging. You know, Lane might leave, Dallas might leave, AJ might leave, all this stuff. The offensive coordinator is going to be coming in here and saying like, well, are Lane Johnson, AJ Brown and Dallas got it all leaving? Like if so, what's the plan to replace them? Which brings up the fact that the fact that this is likely to be a very offense-heavy draft coming up,

how much of the offensive coordinator discussion, like the interviews, like both sides, like both what the O.C. is looking for and also what the Eagles are looking for, is going to involve an O.C. that wants to have say in personnel, the way that we know Vic Fangio might have say in personnel on the defensive side where he's coming in and being like, well, if we're going to need, you know, to replace Dallas Goddard, I want this kind of tight end. Or if we're going to replace A.J. Brown, we better draft a guy high. or, you know, we better draft lanes replacement, that kind of thing. How much do you think that's being discussed?

It's a good question because of what we've talked about a lot, whether or not the Eagles should be worried about a one-and-done offensive coordinator. It's easier to make a four-year commitment to a rookie contract for a player on day one or day two of the draft if you know that you've got a Vic Fangio entrenched in that position. So, no, it's a fair point, but I also feel like we need to give it the best chance. It also leans into what we talked about. there's an urgency next year. You need to give next year the best chance of succeeding.

And if that is, like, a dirty work tight end because you've got, I mean, I guess with Mike McDaniel, it might probably be like speed. Like you're prioritizing speed over, you know, maybe a more multidimensional running back or a wide receiver, like a slot receiver gadget type. Oh, the 21 personnel, Jay. You might be prioritizing foldback in the first round. I don't think they're giving real personnel say to whoever it is. I think it's, tell us what your preferences are and we will do what we can to

find players like that. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's like influence, but I do think, well, I wouldn't say it's like they tell you the prospects they value, but I do think there are profiles that they would go after based off who they hire. Well, but like Vic level influence? No, not yet. Lower. I don't think so.

I think lower for sure. And that's because they care more about offense or just because Vic has such a veteran status. But even Vic, if you listen to them, Vic didn't have that the first off season. He earned it based on his Zach Bond evaluation, right? Things like that. And then they were like, okay, the next draft. So maybe Vic first year level.

Depending on who it is. But even not that, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Vic also is such a veteran that like... Yeah. And it's different. And was such a high prize higher that like you might want to, you might have to concede some more of that.

Right. Vic says he wants Zach Bond. That's fine. How he still goes out and signs Devin White and pays him more money. Right, right, right. That's a good point. So. All right.

I'll close the book on the big takeaway presented by X Finity. Let's take a quick break. On the other side, we'll talk about the things that have... chafed Dane is about the loss to the San Francisco. Chafed doesn't seem like the right word. I think it's still chafing you. And we've got much more to come. It's, I know what, we'll extend the show here.

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Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, the professor. There's one other thing I want to talk about, as regard to the staff here. I was reading a very good story on the Athletic today by Jordan Rodriguez about the assistants who have to balance preparing for a game and also interviewing. And in there is an interesting nugget

which I probably knew and just had it internalized that Sean McVeigh, the last eight seasons, seven of those off-season, he has had to replace a coordinator or somebody leaving to become a coordinator or to become a head coach. On offense? Either side of the ball.

Oh, either side. Okay, okay. and has maintained that level of success. And Jordan was saying that, you know, she thinks that his ability to identify coaches is maybe even his biggest strength. And I do think that that is an aspect here of evaluating Nick as, if he is CEO type head coach, it's an important thing here because he is, he, I think, sells himself as a very good developer of coaches.

Yeah. Less so identifying these guys. having a wide network. Right. And the truth is, the good hires they've made outside of that initial staff were led by

Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, right? And as this turnover continues to happen, and we talked about, you know, it might just be Jason Michael and Jamal Singleton being the last remaining guys from his original staff if they even make it through

the offensive turnover here. I don't know, it is an important part of the picture of evaluating him in addition to everything else is can he bring in staffs to continue to refurbish that group? Absolutely. I mean, it is, to your point, like the Italian, we talk a lot about the talent evaluation part of it, but yeah, developing is a big part of that. And it's weird because it's not always, it doesn't always, like, it's not always in lockstep with good coaching, like Bill Belichick's coaching tree, you always see. But if you're going to be that

CEO head coach, like you said, that is an important element that you need to be able to have. See, I don't think Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman want him involved in hiring his staff. Yeah, but developing them once they get there. Developing them, yes. But like the wide network and being able to hire, like being able to find like a young pot. And that is the thing that Howie said yesterday is that Nick has done a good job of working with the guys who have been brought in. Anyone we've brought in, he's been great at doing what he needs to do. And listen, that's part of it too.

And so, you know, if he is able to put his ego aside and work with whoever gets brought in, maybe that's really the same thing at the end of the day. I'm trying to think, like, who among the Eagles, like, I mean, low-level assistance, we'll just use that as the descriptor here, even that's maybe a little bit reductive. But, I mean, Joe Casper was, I think he was quality control when Nick first got to Philly, and he is now the safety's coach. Yep. He obviously went, he was on Mike McDaniel staff. Who else was a part of those early staffs that were quality control?

That have, like, developed off. Yeah, developed into good. position coaches. That's true. The only guys who have who have ascended to higher positions are the coordinator are Petullo and Brian Johnson. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Now Brian Johnson is probably as much as Eagles fans will not want to hear this. Like Brian Johnson is kind of like what you want to see more of from Nick. You want to see position coaches or you want to see guys who are well thought of enough as their position coaches that they move on into bigger roles. I know it didn't work. Well, you know what? There's one other one and it was Alex Taney.

who then did the backfill, went from quality control to quarterbacks coach. Yeah. And he was also fired. Yeah. No, I think that that is an important thing that we don't see a lot of. Because, yeah, at some point,

and you know, like Jeffrey Lurie wants their staff to be viewed that way. Yeah. Going back to that quote that you mentioned that how he said, I mean, he said he has shown, talking about Nick, he said he has shown that when we bring people in,

he's willing to do whatever is best for this football team. He's given people the flexibility to put their own spin on things. And then he went into the, I'm very lucky to work with a guy who's so elite being a head coach at that point.

And I think like the we is key there. Now I think in his mind the we is inclusive of Nick. But that's the thing. The ambiguity, the ambiguity that like, and Emily yells at me about this all the time. I'll be like, oh yeah, like we went to that place in New York or whatever. And she's like, who's we? I wasn't there. And I was like, yeah, like me and my buddy from college.

And she's like, you can't say we? And I'm like, yeah, you can. What do you mean? Like what else can I say? It was me and somebody else. And I feel like that like he might have, you know, put thought in the fact. that like, yeah, I'm going to say we and people are going to think it includes Nick. But let's be honest.

We said it yesterday. I said it on Anthony's show. I do think that that quote is exactly what you want to hear if you are Mike McDaniel or Cliff Kingsbury or any of these high-level coordinator candidates. You want to hear that Nick is going to work well with you and let you have to be flexible enough to let you run your offense. And that's who they're talking to when they did. We should say, by the way, Charlie Weiss Jr., some reporting that he is also involved

here. They're going to interview him. Poking around was the verbiage. He's the young hot shot with Ole Miss. Looks like Mark Wahlberg. He looks a lot like Mark Wahlberg. He's also very surprisingly skinny. I was going to say, you want to talk about hitting the genetic lottery.

No offense, but you're Charlie Weiss's son and someone says you look like Mark Wahlberg. I mean, I'm telling you. It's an upper court, an upper percentile. He totally does. Yeah, he does a little bit actually. We're going to stop doing this to the audience, though. Look it up at home. Unless you're driving, don't do that.

All right, let's get back to the chafing. And let's discuss the game. What is hurting you the most? I mean, on offense, it was the fact that it was all of the things we saw all year, kind of like Fran said, manifesting in a way that was so disappointingly predictable, right? First of all, I mean, the worst thing that could have happened. the very, like the second play of the game is second and eight. And Sequin breaks a 29-yard run.

Oh, I know. And I was like, oh, no. Get ready for second and long runs all night. Like, oh, he broke the 29-yarder because the corner took the wrong gap on that one. Okay. Like, and now we think that's going to happen every time, right? So that was, that was, and sure enough, right? Talked all year about how no team had had a lower success rate on second and long throughout the season,

the second and eight plus. In large part because they ran it so much on those downs. On Sunday, Eagles got into second and eight plus 11 times. That first one, 29-yard explosive run. They went on to run it five more times on second and long. Five out of ten, and two of them were on the last drive. So it's really five out of eight, like in a normal run of play. Two yards on second and nine, holding penalty on second and ten.

Loss of one on second and 18. Loss of three. That was a client. That was a lot. That was a lot. Loss of 3 on 2nd and 10, and then 7 yards on 2nd and 20. So that's 0 for 5 the rest of the game in those situations, ending up with a 3 for 11 overall success rate on second and long,

which is exactly where they were all year. Like, you know, one of the examples of being kind of a microcosm of the season. That, of course, led to a bunch of 3 and outs. No team went 3 and out more often during the regular season. No team went 3 and out more on Wildcard weekend. Four out of the 10 drives, 40%, even worse than their season high of 30%. there's a season average of 30%, which was the high in the league,

including three in a row in the middle of the game when they could have been pulling away, when the defense actually got it together and was getting stops during that stretch. E.J., I'm going to get away from you for this one because you're going to get mad at me. A stupid amount of running from under center for absolutely no reason.

I mean, six under center runs in the second half without a single under center pass. 14 under center runs total and only two under center play action plays, oh for two on those. There's the one to Goddard, there's one to AJ, that he, you know, you could call it a drop or whatever. But like, the run success was lower from under center than it was from shotgun, as usual. And then to play the hits, I mean, no team ran more hitches during the regular season.

No team ran hitches more often than the Eagles on Wild Guard weekend. They managed to run 48 hitches on 37 dropbacks. That's 1.3 hitches per play. Again, more than even their own historically high rate for the season. And then finally, this is the last one for the offense, being late in the play clock, I mean, it's the same thing. They were at their average for the season on how often they let the play clock run down. And on the fourth and 11, I don't know what's worse.

If Nick is lying about the timeout, not being because they weren't ready, right? Like, and they just wanted to like, you know, decide what to do. And he wanted to get a snapshot of the defense because that's what he said. On the hard knocks, we hear him say, like, this is going to be the last possession. So at that point, it seems like he's given up on getting. the ball back. Which, I mean, I hate it so much. You can get it back with like 25 seconds left or so that's not nothing.

When he says this is going to be the last possession, he's saying that. He just decides. But he's also telling them to take their time. It's like it's the same half. He's prioritizing making sure this is going to be the last possession. I agree. Go score a touchdown. I mean, who cares?

Talk about trust your defense. If they had been like running the ball or something, that'd be one thing. It's not like they did that. But like, yeah, no, I understand. It's, and like, if you score a touchdown with, a minute 30 left, that's fine. Yeah. Of course that's fine. It didn't come down to like, I don't think they were rushed.

So like it didn't come down to that. But yeah, that is part of why he's saying that. But I think the worst thing about that, and this doesn't have to do with the play clock, the worst thing about the taking a picture thing, and you guys talked about this, everyone's talked about this, you're taking a picture of what looks like it's going to be a quarter structure. Jalen says after the game, it's probably going to be a quarter structure. They've run nothing but quarters on the entire drive. They ran man on two of the, on two of the plays.

They ran quarters on the other eight on that final drive, including the three just before that. They're dropping out from showing like a pressure look. And not only are you running four verts into quarters, which is like you don't have to know that much about football to know that that's not ideal. Geometrically doesn't work well. Like against literally any other coverage, four verts, like one of those verts can get open. You've got the seams against cover three, against cover two. You can do a little bit like going inside against the safeties that are widening. against cover four, you're running right into the verticals.

Not only that, but you don't have anything to hold the underneath three defenders. Like Kendrix ends up breaking up that pass. If Kendrix isn't there, it's possible that Dallas catches that ball against Mustafa who hasn't essentially matched. And the reason is because Sequin is scanning, and this is something else I talked about all year. Sequin is scanning for blitzers. Dude, they're not blitzing. Like, it's so obvious they're not blitzing.

They drop out right away, and he doesn't release. And not that you should throw him the ball on fourth and eleven. But at least, at least, like, make Kendricks think about dropping into that hole. Like, I mean, there are three linebackers. They're essentially all just, I mean, there are three underneath defenders, I should say, two linebackers and the nickel. And they're all dropping back in a way that makes that middle of field throw. And since when are we throwing in the middle of the field?

Like, of all the times to start throwing in the middle of the field. But, yeah, it was just kind of painful. And then I think we have a chart, Lindsay, of the big plays from the weekend. It's like a bar chart. if you look at this, this is like essentially a bar chart of how often teams gained 10 yards on wild card weekend. I mean, we saw some horrendous offenses.

Like the Steelers, did you guys watch the Steelers? Yes. Did you watch the Chargers? Like, the only team... For the audio listeners, the Eagles are at the very bottom. Yeah, the Eagles had the fewest. There was 11% of their plays gained 10 yards on the weekend. And every single other team that played on the weekend

gained significantly higher, including some that lost the game. But like, the point is they were able to get some explosive plays. This team essentially sacrificed the explosive plays this year in exchange for not turning it over. And I think we have a graph of the big plays and turnovers, like for the last five years. I think we have. Yes, I believe we do. If you look at that, it'll show that last year's team was very good at doing both. Like it avoided turnovers. So in the upper right, you'll see the 2024 Eagles. Further to the right means gained a lot of EPA from explosives. And high means that you didn't lose a lot from turnover.

So up and right is good. Last year's team is in the upper right of this graph. These are all the teams for the last five years. Last year's team was elite at that combination of getting explosive while avoiding turnovers. This year's team is directly to the left of last year's team, meaning they avoided turnovers at the exact same rate, but in explosives they were below average for the league, which is crazy when you think about the offensive talent on this team, to be below average

at 20-plus yard plays. And it's the first time they've been below average in the five. five years that Jalen and Nick have been here. So, I mean, I think it just kind of tells the story. And again, it was a microcosm on Sunday. There you go. All right, time to take a quick break. We'll talk about your frustrations with the defense on the other side. Stay tuned. Then we'll talk Mike McDaniel and a very telling reaction before the show when the professor was asked about EJ's boy. Oh, no. Cliff of two Ks. K, big KK guy.

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Yeah, third worst by APA per drive as well. I mean, it was just a very disappointing game by the defense. I know that offense had good games during the year, but watching Seattle shut them down the way they did the week before, talking about how the Seagull's defense is on par with that Seattle defense and thinking that it could be a similar game here. Kiddle going down that early in the game taking the way one of their biggest weapons, like all of these things end up making this game very disappointing. And it was a bunch of explosive plays, really. Like that was the key, right? Explosive,

like, and it's so funny because Fran wanted to make sure that one of us mentioned when we showed that graph and we didn't mention it there, but we'll mention it now, how on the hard knocks you can see on the slide that Nick had. It was like, you know, the 49ers are 8 and 1 when they win the explosive play battle and 4 and 4 when they tie it or whatever, which is way too much detail, by the way. Like, what the hell?

Says you. When you guys were talking about, well, it's just like the wrong kind of detail. When you guys were talking about like, if I work for the Eagles. Your face on it that says that's way too much detail. Too much detail, yeah. When I work, like, if I worked for the Eagles, like

what I should do, like you guys had that conversation on Monday, which I enjoyed very much. And Bo made the most important point, which is that they would not be happy when I want 14 weeks off in the summer, as I have in my current shop. But yeah, I think, yeah, they might be like, wait, what? You're coming back three days before week one? Like, that doesn't work. But yeah, like the weekly meeting with Nick where it's like, like, Nick, like, don't tell them this. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, they don't need to know this. I mean, listen, I've been in that seat. I've sent in his some charts and I have gotten to out for my charts.

E.J. did send me a chart earlier this week and I was like, we will never speak of this chart again. I never saw it. I never saw it. Yeah, yeah. It was a stocked bar chart that may or may not have added EPA points to percentages on the same scale. So yeah.

No, but I think, I think like, but that's what some of the next stuff is like. It's like, okay, you cherry picked this, there's the word cherry picked. You cherry pick this thing to make a point. Like this game's going to be about explosive plays. You don't do anything on offense to create explosive plays. to create explosive plays. And then obviously on the defense, it's just kind of disappointing that, you know,

you see this team getting beat in ways, and we did a two-hour show on the Shanahan v. Fangio side of thing, so it's worth, like, quickly mentioning that 61-yarder to DeMarcus Robinson. By the way, do you guys remember DeMarcus Robinson going in the same direction? Also in the first quarter

in last year's playoffs, playing for the Rams at a 48-yard-year-or against Isaiah or others. He's awesome at the link in the first quarter going towards the North End Zone. He is the great. greatest white receiver in the history of football. Against the Eagles.

Yeah, against the Eagles, yeah. You know, Q misreads the skinny post there. He's on the cover four side of cover six. We talked about different ways that Fangio protects Adori Jackson. That's a classic coverage where you're protecting Adori Jackson. You're rotating the safety over him. You're trusting that Quinnian's going to be able to cover the number one receiver to his side. And he just wasn't able to do that.

And then later, on the field goal drive, there's a 45-yarder to Jennings. Cooper DeGene just gets beat on a double move in a way that we haven't really seen happen during the season. Uncharacteristic. Again, like kind of disappointing. And then in the second half, we talked about how the Eagles ignore the backs, right? And Eustech and McAfrey were the main guys in the second half who had the big plays. They had the 27-yarder to Eustech at the beginning of the drive that led to that trick touchdown. It was just a bad bust by Marcus Epps, honestly. It looks like he's supposed to have the flat, keeps his eyes on the tight end, and let's Eustech just leak out and catch that ball. It ends up going for 27 yards.

We talked so long on that pregame show about how, or on whatever, the preview show, about how the 49ers hadn't been getting any yak. So disappointing to see all the yak that they got, like the poor tackling by apps, by Zach Bond, like taking bad angles, like just things that we hadn't seen during the year. And then I'm glad the hard knocks caught Zach Bond saying, that's my fault, I lost him on the McAfrey touchdown. That was interesting. I meant to bring that up. Because like, you know, like that's a man coverage call.

and Reed Blankenship is very clearly in man coverage against the tight end. Yeah. And the tight end is blocking. You can tell the way that he's picking it up that it's not his. He's blocking on the play side where Jennings ends up rolling to throw the ball.

And Reed is watching him and he's just kind of got his eyes like he's just kind of sitting in the flat. The Eagles rarely green dog in those situations. So what ends up happening is Reed's thinking, well, my guy's blocking. I'm just going to kind of hang here in the flat. Zach Bonn and Nicobi Dean

are clearly funneling McCaffrey, Meaning whichever side McAfrey comes out on, it's that guy's guy in man. McCaffrey ends up coming out on Zach Bond's side. And so that's why after the play, Bonn says, like, that's on me. And I understand that, like, all the end around and the reverse and all these things. Like, are you even playing it like it's a pass anymore? And obviously, Bond wasn't. And that was the problem.

But, again, like, just kind of disappointing. One thing that stuck out to me during the game, and it really, like, ended up being true. and I looked at the numbers later, every time the Eagles blitzed, it seems like, and we talked about this before the game too, they don't keep a back end, you're going to be able to get a guy through. There was one where Zach Bond was just completely unblocked

and it led to a throwaway. After that, I was like, Vic, like, blitz again, to keep blitzing. And sure enough, second half, seven blitzes, interception, throwaway, incomplete, interception, incomplete, sac, incomplete. Now that sack gets negated

by the Reed Blankenship penalty. Okay. And so technically it's a success. So it's one, but still one for seven, including both interceptions. No blitz, 13 times, nine for 11, 123 yards, two touchdowns, and two successful scrambles for an 85% success rate. So 85% against no blitz, 14% against blitz. This is like extreme. And so obviously, that is him blitzing more.

That's not Vick's M.O. It is him blitzing a decent amount. Seven out of 20 is a lot for Vick. And also, it's not like all. of the non-blitzes would have been better if they had been blitzes. Like there were screens and things like that. But still, like there was a little bit of on both sides of the ball. I wish this team had been a little more aggressive on both sides of the ball in different ways.

Maybe senior blitz consultant could be a title for you? No, no, no. Vic doesn't need any help. He's good. It just worked out that way in this game. Yeah. All right. Let's take our last break.

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He's not that little? I mean, I don't think he's like miniature or anything like that. Okay. It's because he's standing next to offensive winemann, like Nick says? No, that's definitely not him. Let's talk, Daniel McMichael. And Professor would represent... Is it Daniel McMichael?

Given what he's done in the past, not necessarily exactly what he would do in the future. But would represent a pretty stark aesthetic difference to what people are used to looking at at the Eagles' offense. Yeah, I think, you know, you guys looked at, you guys showed some of those graphs on, was a Tuesday show about the O.C. I know E.J. sent the wrong

once. He apologized profusely. I didn't think it was a big deal. I sent him a voice memo apology. I needed to be a verbal apology. I did not listen to that. I read it. I read the transcript. There was like remorse in my voice. I know. I could tell it. That's why I didn't want to be more

sad. I don't like voicemail. But some of those tendency things there, Lindsay, I think we have the graphs of, sorry, I know I mentioned the hitches and tempo one, but we have the other ones too, right? Like the ones that show the middle of field and all of those. If we can put some of those up on the screen, we can talk about them as we go. So yeah, this is the play action middle of field target rate. You can see those dolphins logos are pretty high up in the middle of field targets. you guys discussed like, you know, is this going to be a good fit?

I've heard a lot of people say like, not a good fit for Jalen, like, because he doesn't like throwing it in the middle of the field, but the whole point of the Mike McDaniel thing, right? The whole point of the Shanahan school is that your guys are wide open in the middle of the field. Like he's not going to be afraid to throw it if the guy's wide open, right? If you're scheming a guy, if you're scheming a guy wide open in the middle of the field, I think like any quarterback will be happy to throw that ball. Guys killed himself.

No, I, Fran talked me into this more. Did you see the years on that graph, by the way, like how the years were under the logos? It's beautiful. How good that looked. It is just gorgeous. There's another one. Lindsay, I think it's the, what's the other one? The under center.

Yeah, under center and 11. This is just like kind of showing how different the style is of that kind of Shanahan school compared to what the Eagles have been doing, right? Like there's a lot of, there's a decent amount of under center. and then there's going to be a decent amount of heavy personnel, which you would think, EJ is a big Cliff Kingsbury guy for some reason, you would think that he would love this. I mean, the 21 personnel, the heavy personnel in early downs, like what about this, don't you like, E.J.?

I mean, I just, Fran talked me more into the middle field target thing. He did. And if the guys are wide open, then yes, you would theoretically believe that Jalen would throw in the middle of the field more often. He did it in college. it's just a little bit more of a projection. I think that it is fair to say that.

It's a little bit more of an unknown on if you can really build the offense that way. I think that the argument that Beau made is also a good one that maybe they don't need to build a whole offense. If it is a Jalen Hertz offense, maybe it's not as high of a middle field target percentage. But I've come around on this.

I'm not as worried as I was. I can't eat to the flats and then easy throws to the middle of the field. Actually, it's very interesting. The Eagles only passing touchdown of the game against Sanford. came on what I call the Dolphins RPO. It was a curl flat, the curl flat wheel RPO where you had Devante Smith go in motion run the wheel.

And then Dallas was open on the curl. That's something that they ran all the time in Miami, like, you know, in McDaniel's first couple of years there. Okay. Let's get now to me staying on brand here with what I've talked about all year. Hitches and tempo. Let's take a look at why Mike McDaniel would be great if you hate hitches. So if you look at this graph, you can see the Eagles. in their famous upper left of this graph where they ran more hitches than any team in NFL

history this year. And you can see that the teams with the lowest rate of hitches are basically the five years of Mike McDaniel, right? Lower than all of the other ones. That one San Francisco logo is McDaniel as the O.C. under Shanahan. You could argue that's more Shanahan than him, but all four years with Miami also lower in the hitch rate than any of the other coordinator's seasons since 2020. So not a lot of hitches, a lot of cross-es. A lot of cross-es. A lot of cross routes, that's kind of the Shanahan School, and that's what you would see from a Mike McDaniel offense. Now the one other thing I've been talking about all year, getting the clock, getting the snap off quickly, right? And so someone mentioned to me like, you know, Mike McDaniels, his teams are

not fast at getting the ball snapped. So if we look at the tempo graph, it's nothing like the Eagles, obviously, but the dolphins have been a little slower at getting the ball snapped than other teams. Now, there's a reason for this, though. Right. There's a reason for this. There's a lot of purposeful motion beforehand. Exactly. If we go and look at the motion rates from all of the years that McDaniel's been on Miami,

so these are the motion rates since 2020. Lindsay and her bed. I was about to say Lindsay is killing it right now. You will not see a bigger contrast than the dolphins to the Eagles. I mean, 2022, the dolphins, 56% of their plays, they had motion at the snap. This isn't motion like, you know, at any point. motion at the snap, which back then the league was at a 26%

average, the Eagles were 31st at 14% and the dolphins were first at 56. 2023, 75% of the plays. I remember when they came in here in 2020, it was actually Sean Decide's best game. That was their best season. And that first half that season was when they were like, oh my gosh.

They were red-hot. They've redefined football. Everyone was like, oh, they're going to come in here and kill the Eagles. Sean Desai shuts them down. That was not it. Well, that, that matchup was a, matchup between the Dolphins offense, which ran motion 75% of the time, against the Eagles offense, which ran motion 14% of the time, dead last in the NFL. So it's just like so different than what we've seen. And it stayed that way. I mean, second in 2024, first again this year

for Mike McDaniel. And the other thing we see is just the NFL trend towards more motion. I mean, going back from going back to 2021, the motion rate at the snap in the NFL, the average has gone from 22 to 26 to 29 to 33 to 36. It's steadily increased that about the same amount every year, at some point it has to stop, obviously, you would think. But compared to like Brian Daibble at the Giants, whose motion rates have been very similar to the Eagles, we've talked so much about how motion can be a tool.

We've talked so much about how you have a player like Devante Smith, who you think could benefit so much from motion, that, like, I've just wanted this offense to use more motion, like seeing the guy who's like the king of motion in the NFL come in here would be a really nice kind of experiment to see, like, I've gone back and forth on who,

like, if you were going to say, who are the winners in the offense of the Eagles adding Mike McDaniel? I'm so mad you got to see. I think you could go Sequin, like, okay, they're gonna, like, they're gonna fix their own game. To me, it's Devante.

It's like, you can supercharge Devante. Devante in a Mike McDaniel offense would be so fun to watch. Like, ah, man. Yeah, absolutely. You just mentioning like, Devante in motion, I mean, if they are able to turn,

If you keep AJ Brown, you know, just to talk about the flipping the switch on the hitches to getting them moving when they catch the ball to take advantage of AJ's ability to break tackles. Yeah. Absolutely. Sounds nice. I mean, you've got Devante running like a wheel and AJ running a slant, like, but doing it with some sort of, you know, dressing and play action and all those things.

I mean, I think it would be really great. Now, look, have the dolphins been awesome when they're running motion? Like, no. Like, they've been kind of, you know, middle of the road, whatever. But, like, again, like, this is more of a descriptive thing. This is more of a stylistic difference that we would see. And, of course, it would lead to the question of, like, would Nick really stay out of the way? Right.

Like, would Jalen really be like, okay, let's do it. Like, let's do something completely different than what I've done before. Like, those are all questions that we would have to wait to see. And obviously, like, the interview process is going to be a lot about that. One more thing, we don't have a graphic for this, but the dolphins have also been very high at empty rate. Like, so they were second highest rate of usage. of empty in the NFL this season. They've been high in all the years that McDaniel's been there.

That's actually been a strength for Jalen. Right? So that's one thing that we know Jalen's good at. And he hasn't even had like a quarterback who can run like the draws and things like that. So it would be even perhaps more effective with that. Just my one, I'm just going to push back just a little bit. Make the case for Kingsbury. Yeah, Clifford.

One you, you boy. I don't like how I've been positioned here. I did not like. It was your number one. I did. I will let me push back because we are getting excited about what a Mike McDaniel offense could look like with Eagles. But I think what you just said there is important to point out, which is that it might look like that. It might still look like a weird marriage between what we've seen from them in the past and what Mike McDaniel has done historically.

And that is why I've been pouring some cold water on the Mike McDaniel thing. See, I think it would look like that if it was like Skango and you brought in Mike McDaniel as like a consultant. Yeah. If he's the actual OC and you're giving him the ability, I mean, look at the motion. But Kellynne Moore is the template here. Well, it's actually interesting. If we can go back to the, Lindsay,

if we can go back to that the motion graphic that you made. Yeah, she's killing it right now. She's rolling. Yeah, on this one, if you look at the Eagles ranking in motion, in 2022 and 23, they were comically, like, lowest in the league. And then Kellyn Moore kind of brought like a little bit of modern. to the offense. It's a funny story of the league itself

because 24 and 25 are very close in terms of the actual rate, but the ranking changes pretty significantly from 16th to 24th. Yeah, it's like they kind of stayed the same and the league kept going in that direction. Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, all of these trends at some point reverse, right?

At some point, like, running the ball again became like an effective thing to do and all these things like it. And this will happen with motion too. I just don't think Well, there's a little bit of, and I don't want to fully gas up McDaniel as like the king here, but there's a little bit of the Fangio of it where you had the pretender, this is the guy who actually does it. Yeah, that's fair.

In terms of using motion, this is like this is the guy, right? Yeah, I think so. Historically, we have enough evidence to suggest that it's not going to be McDaniel comes in and it looks 100% different. It's probably going to be somewhere in the middle. and I just, there's a little bit of an unknown there. Now, Professor, why did you make the just guttural, disgusting sound when the prospect of Cliff Kingsbury was mentioned?

Because I knew I was going to be in for a long segment. There's just something about Cliff Kingsbury that makes me think like stylistically. It's like Chip Kelly. It's like no huddle. It's always going to be shotgun. It's always going to be. It's all these things that we've complained about. The Eagles being.

He's a snake oil salesman. Yeah, well, there's that too. But like, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't like the fancy house and all that kind of stuff either. Most of Julia, what are you looking at? She's checking the printer. Why are you got to break Julia into this? Trying to expand the universe.

Expand the world. There you go. There you is. You can see Julia in the background. Oh, wow. That's good. I didn't realize you can do that. Most of the arguments I hear about Cliff Kingford are on a personal level about him

dressing well or living in a nice house. house or having a haircut that you make you uncomfortable. Which is funny because McDaniel also has like obvious. Yeah, McDaniel's got the caprice. He's got the hair. Yeah, but he's, he, McDaniel is lost in the wilderness fashion-wise. He's changing through different things.

It tells you he's a tinkerer, whereas Cliff thinks he's got it solved. He's going through a series of midlife crises. Do you have any schematic gripes with Cliff Kingsbury? I think it is just a cleaner fit. It's just like always no huddle, always shotgun. The rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the, The league is like 8% no huddle and he's like 80% no one.

The Eagles were only good in tempo this year. Yeah, but you can't, you think they should just be in tempo all the time? No, obviously not. I mean, we already saw that movie with Chip Kelly and I feel like there's a reason that his offenses are terrible in the second half of the season because at some point. His offenses are being terrible in the second half of the season is a legitimate concern. But yeah, just like Chip Kelly's offense got figured out eventually. Like, I mean, I just think there's something to the way that that offense runs that is limited

because of the way they go no huddle all the time. Limited in the kinds of plays they call. He's got the wide receivers lining up on the same side of the field the whole game. He still does a lot of that. I mean, there's one thing to, you know, in the hard knocks, it was like, get to the huddle in time, so it'll help the operation. It's one thing to be so incompetent that you can't get the playoff in time. It's another thing to be rushing it to the point where you're sacrificing interesting scheming.

And I think that that's what Washington has done. It's what Arizona did with Kingsbury as well. I don't know. It's just not an exciting guy. All of that said, even with the second half regression, even with some of the, because I agree with a lot of what you said, they still have had two of the top seven offenses when you're looking through these candidates. So they've been very, they've been very, they've been very efficient, they've been very effective. And he's done it with quarterbacks that aren't at the elite of the elite. And to me, that is impressive.

I think he deserves credit for that. It sounds like you want to maximize the probability that they're like a top 12 offense. Yeah, give me like top. And you don't need to maximize the probability that they're like a top three offense. Yep, I think that is well said. And I think that I'm not sure I agree. I don't want to risk the potential that they're going to be a bottom 10 offense again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I get it. And I can see why you're saying that after watching this season when a top, you know, like eight offense or whatever probably would have won the Super Bowl, I just think you can't trust that that's going to continue to happen. And because you might not have the same roster. Sure. You don't know if like Kingsbury bringing in his no whole. huddle, like, tempo all the time with a bunch of, like, new young players, like, joining the offense is going to lead to a top 10 or whatever.

I just still think, and I've really enjoyed this discussion, actually, more than I thought I was nervous coming in here. I think that if you were just isolating for which coordinator would work best with Jalen, I think you can make a compelling argument that Cliff Kingsbury is above Mike McDaniel. Because he's going to ask Jalen to do fewer new things? Exactly. Yeah, see, I guess, I guess we don't really have the, of how Mike McDaniel would be with a quarterback who can run and be in the plus one.

It might be awesome. I just, I don't want to invite variance into this. I think the Eagles offense needs to be steady, not top five or bottom five. All right. We still have a good bit to get to some super chats. Fran is going to join us virtually shortly so we can go over a bunch of different things. And I have first a game theory question for you about the search professor, but let's do it in Lindsay. Here's my question for you, before we bring a friend.

Let's presume that the Eagles, McDaniel is at the top of their list. You think he is, by the way? I do. Okay. But let's presume that. It is a difficult game to play because McDaniel has likely head coaching opportunities. And so how do you wait? And this is why they have to interview all these people.

Right. Waiting for your top pick versus locking in, say, you're number three. and risking that if your top pick gets a head coaching job, now all of a sudden you're stuck with your number seven. Yeah. This is something that comes up a lot on the academic job market because there are some fields where there's like a conference where all the interviews happen on the same weekend,

and then the interview cycle is very much synchronized, and so you don't have a whole lot of waiting and all these kinds of things. There are other fields where it's just like whenever they call you and you can get a job offer in September, and meanwhile your dream job doesn't interview until April or something. Hey, when that happens in my academia fields. And it's just terrible for the candidate, too,

because the candidate has to settle sometimes and that kind of thing. Now, the NFL calendar is relatively synchronized, right? Like, I mean, how much waiting are we talking about? Are you worried about McDaniel going through the head coaching interview cycle, and that's going to take a while? And then he's only going to come back to you if he doesn't get one of those jobs. Let's say your understanding is, if I don't get a head coaching job, I'm yours. but there are still so many head coaching vacancies.

Right. Right. What are the rumors with McDaniel's head coaching prospects? Like how many places is he expected to interview? I don't know what his interview slate is, but I did see that Mike Garofalo on with Cuzz this morning did not have McDaniel as one of the expected hires for these different teams.

We can go through it if you want, but he's not among them. Okay. Yeah. No, it's a really good question. It obviously depends on how much more they like McDaniel than they like Brian Daebel, for example, who I assume is not going to get a head coaching job, right? Right. I personally don't want Brian Davel, so I hope they would away.

I just find it very uninspiring, Brian Davel. There's something uninspiring about it. It's like, oh, yeah, he knows Jalen, and he's worked with, you know, it's like, I don't know. Also, it just doesn't seem like it would be as interesting a guy to have around, you know, like in terms of pressors, in terms of, you know, those kinds of things. McDaniel would be great for content. Yeah, no, I think that's right. And there's, like, something about McDaniel,

like people were comparing him to Brandon Staley, where it's like, oh, yeah, he's good at talking and, you know, when he's winning or whatever. But I don't think it's as much of a phony as Brandon Staley was. Like, I mean, I think there's something about him that, like, is genuine. And of course, it doesn't come across as well

when you're losing, but, like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure I answered your question very well. I think it really depends. Depends on the way. It depends on, yeah, because if you think you're going to lose, well, that's the other question. Who are you losing Brian Dable to? Right. Can't you tell him to wait? Right.

You know, like, I guess it kind of depends on that as well. But you risk it. Yeah. You risk it. Yeah. I guess the amount of time involved is so little relative to other industries, but like it's so... But the ordering is the same. The jobs can go so quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like...

Yeah, and I guess it also depends, and this is going to be a big part of the interviewing process, right? Like, gauging how highly the candidate is prioritizing you over other jobs. Like if you get the sense that McDaniel is wants to come here, and you can probably staff too. Because presumably if it's McDaniel, he has a bunch of guys to bring with him.

It's going to ask you guys about that. Like O-Line, for example. Is that going to be like, does he have an O-Line? I actually didn't research this. It would still be stowed. But, you know, that's just an informed guess. But if it's Charlie Weiss Jr. as you're playing E, then all of a sudden you're probably retaining most of the staff, you know, it's an interesting puzzle that we'll see how they solve. Right, right.

All right. Speaking of interesting puzzles. Butch Berry is the O-Line coach. Is he like a guy that McDaniel would be like, I got to bring Butch with me? Like, probably not, right? Bucci. Not based off of reading his bio very quickly here. I feel bad keeping Fran in the waiting room.

So let's bring him in. The man himself. The Duff Man. On the Xfinity Mobile call-in line. What's up, Fran? Hi, Fran. What's up, Fran? Hi, you said that, like a little Fran boy.

I'm a friend, friend, please like me. Well, you listen, I already miss him. Fran's not, he's getting ready to jet set off to the Shrine game next week, the senior bowl after that. He's not going to be in studio for like two weeks. I'll miss you guys. Although, I mean, you were talking about the boat being a friend boy, E.J., like, I don't know.

That's kind of how I feel like you're thinking about Cliff right now. Seriously. I think you're going to say you. I've sent friends from text this week where it was like, please don't hate me. You should see the pictures of Cliff he has on his background photo here. I thought that was just the other famous cliffs that came up in the Google search this week. Great job in the comments, by the way, with the people on the cliffs.

Oh, love that. Yeah. I'm going to keep you here, Fran, for the Super Chats, because maybe you'll want to wait on a few of these. Sure. Let's go through those now. We start with Epion, who says, Is Philly really a better OC job than Detroit?

I'm going to let you start there, Fran. Yeah, I went through this with Cuzz on whatever day it was, Tuesday maybe. It's don't matter. Yeah, right, earlier this week. I think that's the one offensive coordinator job open that you could convince me. I just, at the end of the day, like the way I look at this office coordinator job, number one, like proven track record of being a springboard up to being a head coach. Super Bowl aspirations, close to, you know, you're on the doorstep of competing for a Super Bowl,

working for arguably one of the best owners in sports and working for one of arguably the best general managers in sports. Like, you know, I know, and you guys have made the point as well. I'm not making new points here, but like, you know, taking over for an offense that underperformed at such a low level. Like, it was just, there's only one way this direction could go. Yeah, I think that this is a good job to take. So I get, oh yeah, you want to go to Detroit. Like, I get it. You could convince me to me.

I think it's a very stable environment. You could convince me Baltimore if you wanted to. But I think I agree with those things you said. I would take the Eagles job over the Ravens job. Depends to the head coaches, probably. That's the thing. It's without knowing who the head coach is for a number of those spots. I can't read this super chat.

Or I can read the chat, but I can't read the user. But the question I'm going to let you answer this one, EJ, is, did you read the Mike Silver, New York Times piece? What did you think? You were checking this out before? I did read it. some interesting insight. I would say that it, I mean, it's something we haven't, we've heard multiple times before that, you know, there is internal frustration with Jalen Hertz.

And I think we've done a good job on the show parsing through how much of that is fair or unfair. But yeah, I mean, it's a real thing. And, you know, obviously Mike's a good reporter there. Scott Galupo, Tampa hiring McDaniel would be a nice chaser of hemlock to follow the shot of losing Boba Chet to the Mets. I know how you feel about that one, Professor, with the domino that the Eagles are, or the Phillies are now bringing back to a team. Oh, yeah, yeah, just like the dumbest white guys in the world team. Yeah.

Let's run that back over and over again. Rone.com. In training camp, Cam Juergens talked about how the D was beating the O because the defense was fully installed and the offense was not. Vic said this wasn't necessarily true, maybe indicating that he knew how. remedial the offense was early on. Are there any signs of

ineptitude we missed? Good callback. That is a great callback. I didn't remember that. You know, it's tough. I have a memory of asking Vic kind of his thoughts on Petulow and like after two weeks or so through camp and I do remember

it being kind of a, you know, we'll see. It was so disturbing hearing with like two weeks left in the season. Someone asked Jordan my life. like what gave him confidence and he said the defense. And then hearing the defensive players like BG talking to Bo this week on the pod, like talking about how man, we really thought they were going to.

We thought they were going to get it right. There's no underlying like they were doing this well. It's just we just thought we would get it right. The way the two sides talked about each other. Like one was like, man, we really hope they bail us out again. And the other side was like, man, I really hope they can at least be competent. Ty Black says E. E.J. thinks J. thinks Jalen is the root of the Eagles problems.

I really don't. I understand, like, I think I have been real about... I'm a known Jalen. I've been real about that I do think that there are limitations that you have to work around with Jalen, middle field targets. I think we've spent a lot of time talking about that. But, no, I do not think that the Eagles ended, their season ended because of Jalen Hertz solely or primarily because of him.

I think that there are people who have been making that argument. I don't think I am among you. them. Tyco WID. Could Jeff Stoutland lose some of his run game coordinator cachet with McDaniel here, but remain as offensive line coach? The run scheme was brutal this year. I could see that.

I don't think they would change his title. I think I would just keep the title, but I think it could play out behind the scenes. I also think that Stout is a very good executor. I don't think we should overcorrect from one season of poor run game. No, but I also think that. But if Mike McDaniel comes and says, this is the way I want the run game to work, Stout can make that happen. I don't think he's going to bristle at that necessarily. What do you think, Fran?

Yeah, I think the one thing would be, you know, when you're talking about like differences of philosophy, you know, and you guys talked earlier about the high motion rates with Miami and with McDaniel, like that would go against what a lot of the thought behind the scenes has been is that Jeff Stoughtland is the one that does not like the use of the pre-snap motion and what that can do for the timing and blocking assignments for the run game for the offensive line. And so there would be some melding there that would be required. I think there would be some evolution that's required. And whether that means, all right, McDaniel's going to have a little bit of a heavier hand

or if that's, you know, like stop coming a little bit in the middle there, that will be interesting to trying to track that. All right. Before we get to the reviews here, Fran, you know, I feel like we haven't had a chance to ask you how you weigh in on these candidates. I know you've talked to Cuzz about it this week, but I don't know your ranking is out there on social, but are you McDaniel at the top?

I am. To me, like I would be very excited about Mike McDaniel Edition. You know, we talk about like some of the things that he's always done to leverage the skill set of his players, you know, try and find, create space for playmakers, all the motion, all of the different things that, you know, that Dana has talked about with all the charts and the graphs earlier. Yeah, I would point to all.

of that as a reason to get excited by Mike McDaniel. So McDaniel would be at the top of my list. You know, we've talked through, so, you know, Todd Monkin, and you could sell me on a lot of these. I would say that McDaniel is definitely like a clear number one for me. I had Dable at five on that list that went out this week. I think I'd probably put somebody else at five if I were re-release. Okay. I think I'd put Arthur Smith at five over Dable. Just for just for the content? And that's not even taking the content away from it. Just you being upset, Beau. I think that the only thing that would be like...

You had Stifansky on that list, and I will say if I was considering Stafansky an actual candidate, he would be higher for me. Yeah, where would you be for you? Stapansky too, right, exactly. He'd probably be my chair. I don't understand why Stafansky is considered good. I know. I know that the track record is bad.

It's like a Jonathan Gannon kind of thing where it's like, well, let's see. He coaches defense, and his defense. sucks. So why is he a candidate? And that's kind of what it's been like with Stefanski. Like I know the quarterback's been bad, but it's like, there's a part of me that really truly We're not asking him to have a top 10 offense.

How about a top 28 offense? Like, how come he can't have that? Yeah, I mean, the offense or the quarterbacks have not been good. But then also like the offensive line completely went off, fell off a cliff. You know, they lost their offensive line coach a couple years ago. Well, they lost Michael Dunn. I mean.

Yeah, I mean, the receiver talent is not good. The running back down, like that, that talent on that roster is not good. So, you know, but yeah, I would say Stafansky in there, but it seems like he's going to get one of these head jobs anyway. Again, you could sell me on Monkin, especially like when we talk about Jalen Hertz and being aggressive down the field and throwing the vertical pass game, that's what he does best. Like that's Todd Monkin all the way.

Like we think back not just Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, but two jobs before that when he was back in the evening. He was with Georgia before Baltimore. Before Georgia, he was in Tampa. And that was like the James Winston, Ryan Fitzpatrick, like throw it all over the yard and, you know, downfield shot, shot, shots, offense. And so that would be a lot of fun. Okay.

Anything else you want to ask Fran before we get to the reviews? No, anything from the press conference that you wanted to get off your chest or you're good there? No, you guys covered everything yesterday. I thought that there was, you know, a couple notable remarks. I thought you hit on the H.A. Brown of it all pretty well. Yeah, no, nothing new that you guys haven't already hit. You guys did a great job with that yesterday. All right.

The season is over. That means we can finally look back at three important ten polls to the PHLY Eagles show. We start, we'll work our way up, the least important. But a very fun one, the 2025 spread your wins and fly draft. Good flexing on league-wide knowledge. E.J. Smith started with the Chiefs over, 11 and a half missed. Ravens over 11 and a half missed. Falcons over seven and a half hit.

It was like a Shannonhan's performance at the top of the draft. Yes, Raiders over six and a half. Very impressive. Miss. Colts under seven and a half missed. You missed four of your first five picks, but you rebounded. You rebounded. You then got on a heater with five in a row. The Texans over nine and a half.

The Cardinals over eight and a half. The Bears over eight and a half. The Rams over nine and a half. And the Giants under five and a half. You, your challenge flag on bears over five and a half missed. and you pushed on Dallas under seven and a half. You finished with a six, five, and one record. Bo started well, new ball.

Commanders under nine and a half, Saints under six and a half. Almost missed on the Saints. Over five and a half. Bills over 11.5 hit. Bucks under nine and a half hit. So the opposite of EJ. I started four for five and then it went downhill from there.

Cowboys over seven and a half was a push, but directionally correct. The Chargers, over nine and a half hit. The Dolphins over eight and five missed. There are only two directions you could have. Mists. Panthers over six and a half missed because they finished second of the division.

That was my take the whole time. They were going to finish second in division. That was my take. Broncos and Bears would not normally be second in the division. So I missed both my challenge flags. Fran. So I finished six and five, six five and one tied with EJ.

Fran. starts with a push Packers over nine and a half Steelers under eight and a half misses then he gets a little bit hot Vikings over eight and a half Bears under five and a half or sorry Brown's under five and a half

Broncos over nine and a half misses on Bengals over 10 and a half hits on lions under 10 and a half that was one you felt good about I'll give you credit there Niners over 10 and a half you hit Titans over five and a half

you missed Jags over seven and a half you hit you hit on your Ravens under challenge flag, which turned out to be the difference because you also pushed on the Cowboys. So you finished seven, three, and two ahead of me and E.J. And in second place behind Julia, who finished one and O with the Seahawks over. So congratulations to Julia. Do you guys, it was very early in the year.

Can you remind me, didn't Green Bay Turtle at the end of that, the game, the overtime game against the Cowboys? I think that is right. Yeah, totally. I feel like Green Bay had the ball and they had the ability to go up and they like played for the field goal and they missed the field goal

so we had the directional hit and they also they rest in week 18 so yeah I mean you know both through his challenge flag to say Broncos under right and I have to eat not only that but in the schedule really show

with Cuzz before the start of the year I'm killing the Broncos I have to mention that you know when Sean Payton drove the bus around Center City or whatever moronic thing they did to celebrate that win Bo said, and I think you were kind of talking at the DNVR people and stuff like that

and you said like, Beau said, your team doesn't matter. Okay, and at that point, they were three and two, which rewind to week four of last season when Bo had an entire show where he said, this Eagles team doesn't matter. They used those exact words. After that, the Eagles went 14 and 1, the rest of the way, was it?

And won the Super Bowl. This year, since Bo said the Broncos don't matter, they have gone 11 and 1 and are the number one scene in the AFC. And so, you know, if you don't have time to watch the playoffs, like, let me just tell you right now. Like, it's just incredible the power you have to crown a champion by saying that they don't matter in September. By being just terribly wrong. This show doesn't matter. I was going to say, I can think of a lot of things that you could say, like, don't matter.

Hopefully that magic still works. All right. We now turn our attention to one of the most prestigious games we have here at PHOI. I would argue of the off-season games probably the most prestigious. This is true. More than quick to the future? Of the off-season games, this is the most prestigious. And it is about predicting who is going to stay with the Eagles.

You can tell it's prestigious because. prior to this season, I won four in a row. This is about who really knows ball. And we can take a look at it. Only five players ended up counting here. Fred Johnson. Fran had a six on him.

I had an 11. This is low man wins. Britain Covey turned out to be the difference. He had a two for Fran. I had a 12. Dallas Goddard, I had a three. Fran had a five. Zach Bonn, I had a six.

Fran had a seven. Tanner McKee, I had a one, Fran had a three. Now, weirdly, Brandon Graham doesn't count here. He should count. Brandon Graham should actually count. And so if he counts, then it's a tie. Why is my name on the chart? It's a tie between Fran and E.J. So.

For anyone who remembers, this name was played before E.J. I did this. I thought it was a type of. I know. It's good. No, you don't need to fix it. E.J. was not part of this. I will make an executive decision here and say Brandon Graham does count because it says not week one. It's, it should obviously be week one or prior for a retiring player. So E.J. and Fran tie. We're going to give Fran the win. Although I do need to note that of the six players who counted Fran, I was lower on four of them. so really I was kind of right all along. Directionally. Congratulations.

This is a big win for you. This is a big one. Yeah. Fran, by the letter of the law, you are clearly the winner. I mean, Brandon Graham was not on the roster in week one, so he doesn't count. That Britain Covey.

Britain Covey. Brutal. Your belief in Britain Covey and Fred Johnson did it, right? Yeah, brutal. All right. Now we turn our attention to the big one. The most prestigious game we have here.

The one that requires the most luck. The biggest one. The one that we spend the most time on. That's true. The audience is true. Heading into the playoffs. I had a one point lead on E.J. Fran was stalking one and a half behind.

I only had two items. It felt like I was saving it for later on. But we'll see what happened. E.J., you had a bunch of items. You had an Eagles. offensive lineman is targeted on a pass. Did not happen. The Eagles avoid going three and out in a game for the first time of the season.

Ha ha ha ha. An Eagles wide receiver has more receiving yards than Jalen Carter's percentage of defensive snaps played. Played all but one snap. Almost all of the snaps. And obviously that did not happen. However, you did hit on Devante Smith has at least 55 yards receiving. You didn't hit on Jalen Hertz has more than 30 yards rushing. I can't believe it.

What a bummer that was, huh? I mean, my God. Even if, even without that Juergens holding call, you still wouldn't have hit that. They basically called QB counterbash once and handed it off. I was so confident this was going to be the week. You know, you know what was funny. We just was so like just bamboozle. What were we thinking?

We were, you know, what was funny? We were also gaslit. The play on the Jurgens hold, I was like, all right, that goes for 10. I just need, we just need one more. And I thread the needle where he has two runs of 10 plus, but doesn't hit 30. I was like, oh, and then the holding half. And he almost got away on the first and 10

at the end, the last round. The Eagles allow fewer points than any other team in the NFC in the wild card round. Of course, they did not win the game, so that did not happen, and of course the Eagles win. So you finished with one. Fran had five items. Zach Bonn and Kobe Dean combined for more PbUs plus two times interceptions

than Jake Elliott has made field goals. No PbUs for those guys. Now. Mack Jones plays an offensive snap. Didn't happen. Jalen Hertz. has at least two runs of 10 plus yards did not happen. Kyle Shanahan loses at least two win probability points

more than Nick Siriani by not going for it on fourth down. I was surprised at that hit. It did. There was one where he lost 0.6 and another where he lost 1.6. Okay. Which was the 1.6 one? The 1.6 it was the one where they called the time out and they acted like they were

going to go for it and then they brought out the field bowl. Got it. So you hit that and then Jalek's Hunt has a sack, forced fumble or interception. Did not happen. I only had two measly items. What was I to do if the season was going to be over? This is a tough situation for me to be in. X has at least 30 more yards from scrimmage than Y.

And you have to decide who they are. Oh, man. The George Kittle injury. Wow. He goes with Sequin Barclay and George Kittle. No, take A.J., they said. No, take Devante. No, no.

Segoon Barkley? George Kittle. Nicely done. That hits. And then, of course, the prime number. Poo-Plauter. a prime number of the following things happen. Darius Cooper catch did happen.

A kick hits an upright crossbore pile on. Jake Elliott, thank you very much. The Eagles scored touchdown in the last 30 seconds of the first half. Did not happen. Shanahan goes for fourth and three plus before the final six minutes. Didn't happen. Malik Mustafa is involved in a turnover. Did not happen.

A player scores a touchdown of the same yards as their jersey number. Don't believe that happened. No. Sequin's run is the game's longest. Play from scrimmage did not happen. That's two hits. Two is a prime number. That's a win for me in the playoffs.

And that is a win for me as your 2025 Swooper Sour casting champion. My guess is that you might have the most points earned on the season on things that you paid like three or four turkeys for. Like that's one you, like that prime number one you only got for four. There was one that I was kicking myself afterwards that you had for four a couple weeks ago. Well, congrats a couple of weeks ago was a good one. Yes. But yeah, I can't, I'm not going to apologize for no one ball. Let's face it, Fran.

It was impossible for you to function once E.J. got the goal to go on, you know. It was just, you just couldn't focus after that. That's his second 20. Like, oh, once we got in, once we fell behind the sticks, we just couldn't overcome that. It was the unscouted looks, you know. Every week. I was right there at the end. Every week.

I was right there at the end. Does it feel a little anti-climactic That that's like we spend all season doing swooper And that's it No This is where I feel like you come out With some big trophy to give yourself Oh yeah

I'm waiting for that Swoop Swoop Swoop Swoop ba-doo Swoop Bay doo Swoop Bay do I can't

I'm not gonna wrap I'm not gonna wrap salt and pepper I can't do that Thank you It's pretty good Oh no Don't do this to Ghetto Superstar Bobo Swoopers star

That's what you are We know who you are Fly away with me Back into first place You can rely on me, brother Uh huh Elkin's Chevy has three brothers I'm not gonna

I can't do the ODB part I can't do that. Oh my God. Guess who's back on top today? That wild-eyed bird who knew just how to play. Hadn't bid didn't have much to say. But Fran, I still think those bids were crazy. E.J., we found out you couldn't count.

Any kind of math made you dumbfound. Tell them I retain the crown. Oh driving you old men crazy The buh was back on top the buh was back on top The buh was back on top The buh was back on top the buh was back on top Oh ladies and gentlemen You're 2000

25 Oh no Swooper Sourcasting champion The camera doesn't want to see it Yeah nobody wants to see it At first I thought that was Arthur Smith walking to the camera. See, now it doesn't even land.

Does Bow Wolf? Why are there two bows? Back to back. Oh, got it. Swoopers'or-Castered champion. And it's two eagles swooping down. Oh, great, you guys. On two little fish with your cartoon heads.

You've got to take a picture of that. Send it out to the sickos. Did you just make this today? I did. Did you use the t-shirt person you used for the Camelette? You're damn ready. That place, anytime I need business. They're fantastic.

With one hour turnaround like 25 bucks? Oh, man. Highly recommend it. I apologize to the audience that we couldn't have done better to avoid this. I mean, you got to be a payoff. You've got to be a payoff at the end of the year. Some of us would have been classy in victory. Really?

Unfortunately, we'll never know what it's like how you handle victory. What's the name of the game where we do the league draft, the 32 team, the 32... I feel like that, I won that one. I felt good about that, looking back.

We had to look back at that, actually. Anyway, all right, Fran, we love you. Thank you for joining us. Safe travels, friend. Any super regrets? I've had a few. All right, thank you, Fran.

We love you. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Do we have any extra super chats? Did I miss any? No. Okay. And I see the congratulations are flowing in. Thank you very much.

Yes, I did work very hard to pull home a second straight trophy in the most important trophy we have. So thank you very much, everybody. Thank you, E.J., thank you, Professor. We will talk to you Monday. Oh, what should they comment? Got to give me something. Comment.

Comment, congratulations, Bo. No. Tell me what, tell us what you are most impressed with me about. You know what, fine. Let's make it about me. Okay, yeah, let's make it. I actually like that. Because I've been accused of bullying you.

So let's say what we love most about Bo in the comments. I know Monday is a holiday for most people, but we will be here at two o'clock. So join us. No, I'm serious. I mean, people will be home. Join us live at 2 o'clock. Yeah. That's all we got.

And if there is breaking eagles news at any point this weekend, we will of course be ready at the drop of a hat for an emergency podcast. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Thanks for watching all week. Thank you, Lindsay for making it happen. Professor E.J. Fran. I'm Bo. And as always, the champ loves you.