PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith run different routes as Eagles offense looks for answers?

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

The numbers are clear that A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert are being used in uncreative ways in Nick Sirianni, Kevin Patullo and Jalen Hurts’ Eagles offense. Will that change against the Cowboys on Sunday? The professor Deniz Selman is in the house with Bo Wulf and EJ Smith for a usual Friday graduate level preview of Sunday’s big game in Arlington. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast on a beautiful fall Friday, presented by Bet365 and Ashley Bull Wolf, the professor. Dane is, is here. We'll be joined by E.J. Smith in just a little bit. How is E.J. today? E.J. is probably wondering. I don't really know how to say this. Move, hitch, get out the way. Get out the way. Hitch, get out the way. Hitch, get out the way. Chat is already running with all the hitch puns.

They're exciting stuff. This has been a big week for you, Mr. Hitch. Well, I mean, you've got a little hitch in your step, I'd say. Everyone's talking hitches and crosses. I'm a hitch. I'm a lover. I'm a professor. I'm a mother. That's what I was singing in the shower this morning.

I'm a saint. Yeah. I mean, big week for you. Is it? Why is it a big week for me? Everybody's taking your stuff. That's fine. It's all okay.

I mean, you know, somebody... But I feel like you've moved the conversation. Somebody... I feel like you have a... This is a real question. Somebody needs to the... drive the narrative on WIP and, you know, why not me? Well, truly, you have moved, your, your Eagles fandom has evolved from your, you are now

a character in the universe of the thing that you follow. It's been great, yeah. To the point that you are actually affecting change to some degree. I know you're plugged in with reporters, ask them to ask questions at press conferences. Hey, there are some good questions this week. Let me just say. And good scheme questions. You know, you put something like this out.

You know that it now filters its way to the top. How have you embraced your role in your own favorite television show? Oh, it's been so fun. I mean, I tell everybody this is like just such a joy for me. Like, you know, this isn't my main job. And that's what is part of what makes it maybe more fun for me. Not that it can't be fun if it is your main job, obviously. but it's uh it's been it's been it's been awesome i love it but do you how do you feel about the power

that you now wield no it's it's it's you know it's it just comes with the comes with the territory i really don't think it's that much power by the way i don't know but but uh you know it is fun when you can just like at 2 a m just like you know make a random graph and then suddenly the next day it seems like everyone wants to talk about it it's fun it's great how did you how did you come We're going to get to the hitch stuff. Yeah. But before we get to the actual findings, what precipitated you to, like, look this up?

The hitch thing started with, I think Brendan Deeg put out a number about the number of hitches, total hitches run by players, and then Eagles Eric on social media put out a graph with comparing hitches to total routes or something like that. And then I just kind of like... Okay, so this wasn't purely your own brainchild. The hitching did not, yeah, no. And in my original post, I accredited Eagles,

Eric with, and I, in fact, I quote-tweeted him. I'm not WIP. I don't just, like, steal other people's stuff and talk about it for hours without saying why. Yeah, I, I quote-tweeted Eagles Eric and said, like, you know, I follow it up on this with not just looking at this year, but looking at the last, you know, all the true media database going back to 2012, and we can put up the hitches and crossers graph that is all the rage, Julia, if we have it. What great nominative determinism for Eagles-Erick, huh? I mean, to be named Eagles, Eric It's a lot like, it's a lot like Doug Analytics.

I mean, it's like, you know, very similar. I wonder if they're friends, you know, Doug Analytics and Eagles, Eric, just get together and they talk about analytics and the Eagles, you know? Doug Analytics. I mean, Doug Analytics gets you every time. Doug Analytics is the guy responsible for those awesome completion percentage over expectation graphs.

Doug Analytics. It's really good. Incredible. He was born. He was born to do analytics. The name's analytics. Doug Analytics. I mean, yeah. Nothing but respect for Doug Analytics, by the way. As much as it cracks a bell up.

Oh, man. It's the, come on, Julia. Super chat from Quinn Davis. Don't act like you haven't been looking at the Hitches and Crossers graph all week. Who says, guys think there is an organizational

both literally crying for the for the audio audience to gaslight Tanner McKee into thinking he's not

good so they can sign him to a cheap extension why else would he have been behind Kenny

last year real topical right now listen first of all thank you for the super chat

second of all I do I mean we said it at the time last year It has felt silly to have signed Kenny Pickett, but they ended up getting something for him, I guess. I think the cat is out of the bag

on Tanner McKee at this point, but... Yeah, I think so, I think, like, Tanner McKee has just such an incredible reputation for having not played at all this year. Like, everyone just kind of assumes, like, he's starter ready right now. Usually that would sound silly, but in this case, it's true.

Yeah, no, it looks, it does look really good. And I know you're secretly hoping for that. I'm natural experiment but yeah we'll see do we have the hitches and crossers alright let's talk about this this is everybody's talking about it yeah so this is a graph that has

crossing routes run on one axis and hitches run on the other and this is a percentage of all routes run by the team like as a whole and the Eagles not only are running more hitches than anyone else this year they're running

more hitches than anyone probably in NFL history I would imagine like this goes back to the data only goes back to 2012 but like it's like the Eagles are such an outlier this year 24% of all of the routes run by the team are hitches

and just to say a hitch is run straight and turn around basically yes yeah I mean there are only so many different routes to find in this in this database so you know Fran made the point that like those tight end option routes that are more like stick routes probably count as hitches

in this, like the basic curl routes, countess hitches. So the Eagles are, like, running more hitches by a mile than anyone else in the NFL, more hitches than they themselves have ever run before. And then when you take it to the player level, it gets even crazier. If you take... This is wild. The 109 players who have run 200 or more routes in the NFL this season and rank them by a percentage of their routes that are hitches.

Dallas Goddard is first by a mile. Like, 35% of his routes are hitches. No one else. 35% of your routes, that is so hot. No one else. To run anything more than a third of the time is wild. Look at this graph. This is number of crossing routes run on one axis and then hitches run on the other.

And you can see that all the Eagles are near the top here. Dallas Scottard is just all by himself. Like he's almost off the graph. Because of these 109 players, 35% is the most. The second highest is less than 30%. And guess who the second highest is? Jahan Dodson Okay, also on the Eagles

I have to say Second on the list This is the one that makes no sense to me He's a wide receiver Who's on the team for his speed Well exactly Just from it He's a wide receiver who they never throw to

Don't throw to Just from a spacing standpoint If you know there's a guy In the Routree Who is going to be the fifth option Right 90% of the time Why would he be clouding up the space

8 yards 10 yards downfield Right it doesn't make any sense Intuitively It gets Do the Kwez Watkins thing Just make him run It gets much worse I think Okay

You can argue Dahl Scott or Jahan Dotson Are options three and four On this team That they're gonna run Maybe they're running hitches To draw attention away From your actual guys But it also doesn't make sense

Because as you know A hitch is You're only throwing the hitch If it's your first or second read Like that's a timing route Yeah there are a route Concepts where a hitch is part of a concept Right so one guy runs a hitch

the other guy wraps around him as part of the rap, which is something the Eagles do. They're doing it a little less now. But he's never going to throw a hitch to Jahan Dotson? Right, unless they ignore it and he's sitting there at the sticks, which, you know, DeVante Smith was sitting there at the sticks.

Yeah. And he didn't throw it on that first third down this last game. But it gets worse. Slightly behind Jahan Dotson is Travis Kelsey, who's an old tight end. Okay. Slightly behind him is Zach Ertz.

Who's also an old tight end. And we appreciate that they're both Eagles coded. Totally fine that those guys are up there. Just behind Zach Hertz. But I'm talking like, behind him like 0.2 percentage points behind him. Fifth in the league is Devante Smith. Now you've already

got the first two guys. And now you've got Devante Smith's with three of the top five hitch runners in the league are Eagles and Devante Smith running a hitch which he often I'm this is not just looking at the numbers like I I've literally traced out every single one of these hitches on my iPad because that's

what I do with every single Eagles play when I chart the film. So these are not just like numbers that I got from the true media base. These are all hitches that I've watched multiple times. Devante Smith is running these stitches oftentimes on money downs where he's just running like over the ball

and just sitting there. It's such a waste of his talent. The part of the field that Jalen doesn't like to throw to for one thing. And it's like you could get anybody to run that route. Like you could get, you know,

you could have like your third tight end run that route. You don't need a guy like Devanti Smith who can beat guys give him the chance to run a choice route. Give him the chance to do something out of the slot and empty where he's actually like going to move one direction or the other.

Those hit routes are so predictable that opposing linebackers are able to just undercut them. You almost don't even have to like cover the guy. Like you can just undercut that passing lane with a big bulky middle linebacker. Like you don't need an athletic player to cover Devante Smith. It makes it so much easier to cover everybody else. AJ Brown, by the way, not that far behind.

24% of his routes are hitches. That's 18th in the league. So Eagles have three of the top five, four of the top 18. And Fran asked me, once, you know, this started becoming all the talk this week, Fran texted me and asked, is there a relationship between, did it really? I don't want SportsCenter, but I wouldn't be.

I don't even know if they have, like, a lead of SportsCenter anymore, but I don't know. I don't know. He asked me if there's a relationship between hitches and generating yards after catch, which the Eagles are really bad at as well. Because you're coming back towards the quarterback. Right, exactly. There's basically no chance that you're going to get yards after catch on a hitch, Unless you're AJ Brown and you destroy the guy.

Yeah, it happened in the Rams game. But that's going to happen very rarely. I think we have the graphic of the hitches versus yak, Julia, where you can see that the Eagles are by far the highest hitch team. They're also like the second to worst at generating yak in the league. Like per completion, I think only the Saints are worse. And the Saints run a lot of hitches too, which, you know, did Kellynne Moore bring the hitches to Philly and introduced them? He introduced the hitch.

Yeah, because when you look, when you look, the second highest year of Fitches for the Eagles was also last year. But you can see that the teams that generate the most yak in the league by far, the Steelers, the Lions, the Bills, the Bears. They're also the lowest in hitch rate. So I don't know. Look, it's not as simple as just running fewer hitches, obviously. But I do think that.

No, but it is, I mean, just, if you just think about it intellectually, if you are asking your receivers to be static at the time they get the ball or coming back towards the quarterback, you are not going to have yak whereas if you design the offense around getting them the ball on the run while they're moving for sure yeah and to transition to yak i mean a j was asked in the locker room yesterday about yak specifically and first he said it's a it's a mindset but then he kept talking and he was like oh there are other factors that i know that i'm not i'm not going to get into which you know he could be thinking he could be talking about ball placement from the quarterback but i think he's got to also be in part

thinking the kind of routes that you're that you're asked to run and then you look at these kinds of hitches where they're all run on the same play it's like they have plays where it's like three guys on one side of the field and they all run a hitch right and it's always in kind of predictable spacing as well because it has to be spaced out so the quarterback can actually see all of them and the defense is able to predict that as well and you look at a play like the third and a play from the nine yard line after the cooper de gene interception yeah eagles get the ball at the 11 first down you know they get two yards

and then second down they do that little they do the RPO to AJ Brown yes and then and then man on second down they run outside zone lead into the boundary from the nine yard line and it is driving me crazy like what is that supposed to do like against these linebackers

against the team that like can stop the run you're running outside zone lead into the boundary that means the short side of the field not giving yourself a lot of space you're already at the nine yard line the safeties are pretty close to the line of scrimmage already that play is not going to get anything, right? And sure enough, it didn't get anything.

And then you have the third down play. Two slants on the left, three hitches on the right, completely isolated against man coverage. And I mean, like, and it's incomplete on the slant to AJ and they kick the field goal. I mean, to think about, like, to contrast that with the plays that the lions were running when they had the ball, like, deep in Eagles territory,

where everyone's running, like, across the field, and guys are getting picked. Brock rights wide open. And Brock rights wide open because Quinnian Mitchell, like ran into a guy right like I mean that kind of thing is happening every week like where it's like the Eagles are not scheming guys open we've talked about this so much that I don't know if people are just tired of hearing about it but you're talking you're playing against one of the

teams that ranks the highest than man coverage in the league it's not like you weren't expecting man coverage they only actually played man coverage on eight dropbacks in the game but on those eight dropbacks like you know she'll was talking about this earlier but like I was thinking the same thing I literally wrote the same thing in my notes like they didn't do a single thing that you could call a man-beater like not a single thing

like they never ran mesh they never ran like crossing they never ran bunch you know they didn't do anything that you could consider a man-beater one time Devante Smith got open on a short out because his guy got caught up in

Dallas Goddard's route but even that didn't really look like a particular man-beating thing there was an in-breaker on a crash concept that AJ caught that was tightly contested those were the only two catches they were two for seven for 14 yards against man coverage in this game

and a lot of the lions cover three snaps play out like man on the outsides and on those we saw the Eagle sometimes try those ISO routes on the outside and I would have thought that Rockies Inn and Amique Robertson were both Dion Sanders in this game I mean they're not getting any separation maybe they were but the point is like

it just it was an ugly game obviously this was one of the worst offensive performances we've seen in this era and it's just there were just so many things that were that were wrong with it yeah I want to get into Like heavy personnel usage too, but you seem to have stuff on your mind.

Well, I just, we're going to get to a break. Okay. And then we'll come back. We'll get to it. We've got A.J. Brown talking again. E.J. will tell us about that. Will Smith, Kevin James. Hitch, you get it now.

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and how does it change the season? Great question. And that he's behind by like 10 points maybe would help? Well, he played well in this Super Bowl. They were never behind. That's true. It was just, it was like someone was pointing this out, and I think it was interesting.

Like, the only time the Eagles, like, scored a touchdown in this game was like right after the lines did. Right. Like, it's like, okay, now we need to score. Yeah, exactly. The score is tied. Like, the only time the Eagles had like a whole half

where, like, the offense looked really good was like down by three touchdowns to the, the Rams you know like it's like they're really doing the like do what we need to do thing yeah and it's like too hard into it yeah I don't know maybe it's probably anecdotal to some degree but I mean it's crazy how they really just seem to be like I think that's a great idea from Irv I think there's been just convince him it's the Super Bowl yeah that would take a lot of machinery to to convince them not if you get one of those mentalists you believe in those guys I don't

don't think so yeah yeah limited something going on limited knowledge witchcraft Glenn oh hell hitchcrafts nice job Julia Glenn with just a nice donation super chat we appreciate that Glenn met him down in New Orleans long time listener got to say finally went through my Instagram friend requests gave him the submit might have been months months later but congratulations to Glenn. I'm only approving people who I've met in real life. No weirdos. Sorry. SRG. I mean, those should not be

mutually exclusive. I mean, I met like, they're like good friends of mine in my life who were just sitting in my Instagram requests and I finally approved him. It's fine. I follow... I'm not posting on Instagram. I follow my cousin

who's 27 years old and like a random Haitian soccer player on Instagram. If you're wondering about the second one, it's because we were at a bar. I was at a bar in Haiti and the entire soccer team

like that we had just watched play the day before showed up at the bar. And they came over to me and my friend. They made the World Cup. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, they made the World Cup. None of the players on the national team were on this team that we watched.

But so this team we watched in Capation, in the North of Haiti. We went to the stadium and watched and there were like no other tourists like probably in Haiti like let alone at the game at the time. This was the time of like kind of turmoil in Haiti. And this was me and my friend Ben from shout out to my friend Ben from college. We're at a bar the next day and the whole soccer team shows up. And they all come up to us and they were like, you guys were at the game. And we were like, yeah, yeah, it was great, whatever. And this guy like takes my phone and he like just adds himself on Instagram. And I thought that

was like it was awesome so like I constantly like when I open Instagram when I go to a show or something I look for videos of the show that I went to like that's the only time I ever go on Instagram and it's just like these pictures of this this Haitian soccer player like you know like dressed in various outfits and stuff like just pops up and it's like can I give you this opportunity to stand on your soapbox about the proposed schedule for the World Cup are they thinking about changing it? Like the four games a day, like... No, I just mean the 48 teams, the...

Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. It's just way too many, way too many teams. But isn't the final games of the group? It's going to be... It's all for cocta, right? Well, the final games of the group will be... Well, it's still a bunch of... No, it's still groups of four.

Okay. So it's not changing that. I thought this was the whole thing for you. What's going to be an issue is going to be that the top third place teams advance to the round of third place teams. Right. advance to the round of 32.

Okay. And so what happens when you have, like, so you have, it's four groups of 12, 12 groups of four, and it used to be that who made the second round was independent when it was 32 teams. It was the top two in every group made it. So as long as the last games in each group were played at the same time,

there was no information advantage. What's happening now is with 48 teams, they're going to go down from 48 to 32, which means it's not just the 24 first and second place teams, but the best eight out of 12, third place teams are also going to make it and so the groups that play last will have an advantage in knowing like what you need what you need to get into the top eight third place teams because the other groups will be over already and the third place team standings will be will be somewhat set

what what I would do first of all I wouldn't have 48 teams but if since they're going to have 48 teams what I would do is something more similar to what the champions league is doing this year which is just have 24 advance instead of having uh you know know those extra teams advance and give the top eight teams the best eight first place teams a buy to the to the next round you still have an information issue there but it gives teams an incentive to win that last game instead of resting guys like after they've already advanced and it also makes it so you don't have that whole mess of like third place teams that only got like three points out of three games advancing to the next round so that's what I would do I mean just go to 64 if you're going to go to 48 I just too much I agree it's just too many too many too many teams. It's taken the joy out of qualifying too. Like, it's, like, way too easy to qualify now. I mean, congratulations to, like, you know, like Suriname and Curacao

and all that. Like, it's awesome that they made the World Cup. But, I mean, you know, you're one of the top 48 teams. For Suriname and Curacao. Now, all right, we have one more super chat and then we'll get back to the task at hand here. SRG, now that the defense

is cooking, wouldn't it make sense to get more aggressive on offense? If Jalen threw three touchdowns and three picks in each remaining game doesn't it feel like they'd still win most of them? Well, this gets to the risk tolerance. Yeah, and the lack of the lack of big plays that come out of it.

I mean, we talk about, like, the details of this offense so much. And one of the things that we mentioned last year is that despite the fact that it seems to be annoying to watch for a variety of reasons, the offense has always maintained a certain level of bottom line performance,

whether it was because the schedule was easy last year or not, like we can still debate, but at the end of the day, the offense was good enough at the end of the year to win the Super Bowl. Obviously, the defense was awesome, but still, it was good enough. I always go back to this.

We have this graphic, Julia, of, like, EPA per drive by season, like looking at the last five years, and it's offense and defense. And the thing that I was saying last year about this was, the defense has fluctuated a lot. Like, you know, there's a big difference between Fangio's defense and the Sean, decide Matt Patricia defense, obviously.

But the offense has somehow managed to stay in the same band of performance. So how far to the right you are in this graph is how good your offense is, and how high or low you are is how good your defenses. The 21, 22, 23, and 24 eagles were all top quartile. The worst one, the 2023 one, was still 74th percentile offense out of these last five years' worth of teams. And then the best version actually was last year is at 89th percentile. this year down to 57th percentile so this is actually the worst eagle's offense it's not just like your eyes or like the fact that you don't like watching hitches or whatever like we didn't really like watching last year's offense either but it ended up performing quite well when you look at the number of negative plays and the number of 10 yard plays i think that's another graphic julia this is like the the positive plays and the and the 10 yard plays in the last five years the eagle's

have been at worst 70th percentile at avoiding negative plays. And last year, they were 94th percentile at avoiding negative plays. This is zero yard and negative play. So this includes incompletions. This year, they are 30th percentile, below average, like one of the worst in the league at having negative plays this year.

And when you look at 10 plus yard plays, which is like the explosiveness part of this, 2022 offense was 94th percentile at this, getting explosives. The last couple of years, around 40th, percentile. This year, sixth percentile. I mean, this offense ranks in getting 10-yard

plays in the league this season, 29th in the NFL. I mean, you're talking about 29th in the NFL at getting 10 yards per play, and then you're also talking about bottom five in not getting negative yards or zero yards. So it's not explosive. It's not consistent. They

still think they can run it on early downs, and they can't. So there actually are problems this year. We're not just talking about style, we're talking about actual bottom line. I mean, I know they're winning, but, you know, we see how they're winning. Yeah, you know, they're winning, you know, 16 to 9 and 10 to 7. And so what's your level of faith that this will change once they start playing bad defenses? Right.

So the schedule face so far has been the ninth most difficult for the offense. The schedule remaining is the 28th most difficult. So you can look at that and say maybe against bad defenses, it'll be good. You can point to the Giants game, the second Giants game, and say, look, that was a bad defense. Look at how good it was. you could look at the first Giants game and say, that was a bad defense and it wasn't good, right?

So I don't know. Like, when you hear the players and coaches talk about the issues, I just kind of like, I'm just hearing alarm bells. Like Jalen Hertz, this week called it internal wounds, which I'm not sure if he meant self-inflicted wounds, but he said internal wounds, which sounds bad, like it sounds like a hard thing to fix.

Internal bleeding, never good. Yeah, I mean, he's still talking about finding an identity. Lacerated kidney. for example about setting a vision for how things need to be and then pursuing it like like he said like we need to set a vision for how things need to be first and then we need to pursue it it's week 12 like like like what like when is this going to happen devante smith was talking to john clark on his podcast and he said you know we're trying to figure out what we're good at again it's week 12 like you're still trying to figure out what you're good at so you can pursue it more and focus on it more and then get good at it like when is this going to happen like it's it's it's It's just, it's at the point now where their identity is almost defined by the opponent sometimes. Like, like, and we've talked about this before. Absolutely. Wildly high percentage of 12 personnel in this last game.

40 snaps of 12 and then eight snaps of 12 with an offensive lineman. So 48 extra offensive linemen. So 48 snaps of heavy personnel, the lowest 11 personnel usage in the Nixiriani era. And, you know, Zach. the guy who was on with what's his name the author the yeah yeah David Baker the David Baker yeah asked Kevin Petulow again a beautifully worded question I thought about 11 personnel usage against the lines this week and Petulow said when people want to play that style of defense referring to how they stay in base and they stay with big guys

there are some things you have to make sure when you're in 11 personnel that are kind of covered and there's some things that you got to be cautious of that's why sometimes other personnel can benefit you almost surely he's thinking about they have seven big guys I need seven big guys so I can block them right and you know

because they're running less of the zone read stuff which means you can't just like leave a guy unblocked you need to actually block everybody so he's thinking in the run game I'm going to have to do this but it seems to me like another example of letting the defense dictate your identity we had the analogy earlier this year where if you're in a relationship with someone with a very strong personality

you can often be like a reflection of them and you kind of lose your own identity and you have to be you know um you have to be cautious of that like when you're when you're when you're when you're in that and it's like the eagle's offense is always like the weaker link on the field like the defense's personality they just become a reflection of that the NFL literally lets the offense put their personnel on the field yeah and then lets the defense match it like that's those are the rules it's like a sequential game the offense puts the personnel on the field and then the defense matches it and it's almost like Kevin petulow is like taking that first

mover advantage and he's and he's saying okay like I know they're going to match it with base and so I'm going to preemptively put Grant Calcutera out there to block a guy which he doesn't end up doing anyway and like not have to make their linebackers cover my fast guys like and I just think like it's just it's just one example okay and it obviously didn't work in this game but it it's been happening this way a lot where the way they play is dictated by the opponent and it's not always in the in the way that you would wanted to be. It's not like, oh, they're running a lot of man, so let's use man-beaters. It's not even that. It's, yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of out of words. I'm just kind of

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Anyway, let's move on. That's rare for you. It tells you it's serious. Wow. Okay, so you're depressed about the offense. Yeah, I mean, I always watch the offense first and then the defense. And it was so bad this week that I actually started with the defense. Like I could not handle watching the offense so soon after the actual live experience.

And so I started with the defense first. And it kind of threw off my whole week because I'm not used to doing it that way. Do you have any hope for the running game? It's a good question. I mean, you don't care about the running game. No, no. Your hope is that they abandon it entirely. Since they run the ball so much, the run game needs to be good in order for this offense to function.

Because when the run game isn't good, it ends up being third and 12, and then they run it on 3rd and 12 too. So like in order for the sticks to move here, the run game has to get better. I mean, these last few weeks, and the Eagles have been terrible all year at getting first downs on early downs. Like they've been relying on third down a lot

and then they're not good at third down either. But it's gotten really bad these last two games. I mean, they've gotten a total of four first downs on their 48 first down snaps in the last two weeks. And that's like league average is like 25% or something. This is just terrible. And a lot of it's because they are, running it and they're not running it well.

Jordan Milata was talking about they've got a four-man line and three linebackers behind at the Lions and they were blitzing all of them and he said we had to figure out some answers and we were able to do some things to run up the time of possession near the end of the game. First of all, just the fact that he's thinking of it that way is very problematic, right? It's like it means they're talking about it in the building. Oh, absolutely.

Myelada's not coming up with that on his own. Like that's something the coaches are saying. So that's one issue. Now, why are they have, why do they have to come up with problems when the boxes is back? I hate that so much. One of the biggest reasons for this is because the QB run game, I know we've talked about it, but it's just gone. Like they just don't run it anymore. Like they ran inside zone out of shotgun in this game maybe seven or eight times.

And every single time the backside edge was blocked by tight ends. Jalen's not really reading anybody. He's looking, he looks as if he is, but he's not really. He's not going to keep that ball no matter what happens there. That's a, that's a straight handoff. The only time they didn't block that backside edge, was for RPO's, like on RPO's where they're trying to go to that side.

So they're really not running regular inside zone read anymore. That means you have to actually block everybody. And if there are too many people to block on the inside, you need to do something else. So what did they do? They ran the toss play where Landon pulls one way and they toss it the other way. First time they've run it since that Dallas game.

We talked about how cool that play was. They ran it. They ran it the other way with Steen as well. That was kind of cool. There was a fake split zone run where Dallas Scottard looks like he's doing a split zone block and then they're running the other way the entire offensive line is blocking that way

but then the running back turns and follows him instead so it was like a tight end lead play they ran that a couple of times that was kind of cool they ran same so really moved I mean like look and I'm looking for anything like anything that was creative

because the run game didn't end up being terrible in this game like success rate wise it was it was just you know not explosive but they ran the same side pin bull play on the very first play that Brett Tooth was in the game. That is now six times they run it, all six with Brett Tooth.

This is on the whole season, including the very first play he's in the game. They ran it. It didn't work. Oh, we can finally run it. Yeah, I mean, it didn't work because Dallas Goddard missed his block. But, like, the idea here is that, like,

they're not running that with Gam Juergens. They're just not. Like, they've chosen not to. They don't think he's, I mean, he's able to pull around one guy on those scuby draws. He's able to pull around one guy on those crawl calls on those zone reads.

But he is not, like, they must not see him as being capable of getting all the way out to the edge. It's an injury thing. It must have to be. They ran it all the time last year. They ran it all the time last year. Yeah. He was like the next Kelsey. Like, he was going to do all those things.

So, yeah, I mean, hope for the run game. Like, I just wish they would use the QB run stuff more. Like, I really think that that threat would take away guys in a way that would be really useful. I mean, like when you do do do that, um, do do. A lot of teams will dedicate. not only the defensive end but also the I have to stop saying

I have to stop saying doo-doo because when I do 100% of the time Bo catches it yeah I think he's not even listening to me and then I realize and then I realize he is

poor Doug analytics man I'm going to have to like text him and apologize on Bo's behalf if If you had to change your name to match what you do the most, what would you change it to? Bo cry. Bo cry. That's good.

Oh, man. Oh, man. All right, I wiped him away. All right, you're speaking about the offense being do-do. Yeah, no, I mean, no, that's all. I don't know. Just one thing that was also frustrating on the film, and Jalen actually referenced this,

the fumble where Sequin knocks the ball out of Jalen's hands, that is play action, and it's a play action flood concept, and the lions are, like, completely biting on the play action. Dallis Scottard is wide open on the corner route. A.J. Brown is wide open on his crossing route. Like, there are two guys wide open, and it would have been the easiest touchdown of the year.

You could have just lofted it up there And Jalen actually said in his presser He said we had a ball handling issue And we weren't able to get an explosive because of that I mean it looks it's crazy on the film Like it's not because of the fumble It's because they actually thought it was play action They finally had set it up

Because it was out of a formation That they had run out of like seven times already in the game They finally had set it up It was going to be like a great example of play action And Sequin like Elbows the ball out of Jalen's hand Like it's like It's just I mean I don't know if it's like It's more on Jalen for where he put the ball

If it's more on Sequan whatever but you can tell us play action and not an RPO because the offensive line doesn't really block it's like it's just like ah like so yeah

but that's how it goes when things go when things go badly you want to see more Cam Latte in the offense I hear that's a big talking point this week as well you know how I feel about this

I need to ask EJ when he gets here I'm still mad about undrafted free agency no I'll save that for when EJ when EJ gets here I want to ask him about that okay

anything else on offense Or should we go to break? Not really. I think the rule is terrible on the, on the Tyler Steenfall start, by the way. So they call the horrendous rule. Yeah, I mean, it's the right call. It's a terrible rule.

The rule just sucks. It doesn't make any sense. If your hand is in the neutral zone already, then the only way it has moved across. Yeah, but it could have, like, just put it there before they even, before they even, like, lined up, like is the idea. So if his hand is in the neutral zone,

as opposed to entering the neutral zone actively, with the snap imminent or whatever, the only way to have that be a penalty on the defense is to actually snap the ball. The problem is... Right, that presumes that they're going to see it. Yeah, the problem is the defense is always in the neutral zone on the sneaks.

And, like, snapping the ball, like, before you're ready, it's, like, too risky. It doesn't make any sense. The rule should absolutely be if the person is across the line of scrimmage and you touch them. It's a penalty. I agree. You should just, like, incentivize the defense

to not be in the neutral zone to begin with. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, no, I agree. I totally agree. And I think, like, Like that was a maddening situation in the game, but it wasn't technically the wrong call. It's just a bad rule.

I'm in Talisdine's camp here. He did the right thing, even if the rule is wrong. He was right. He's ahead of it. Maybe they'll change the rule. I doubt it. But, yeah, Maelada, by the way, said that he thought they got enough push on those,

and he doesn't know what happened on those sneaks, which is a little bit, I'm not sure who he was trying to blame. It seemed like Jalen was a little bit more protective of the ball than he normally is, a little bit less reaching it out after what happened against the Giants. I heard the Lions did something a little bit differently,

but do you know what? They submarines, they lined up four defensive tackles. They had a lot of different packages in this game. They lined up with three defensive tackles and one defensive end as their normal base package in this game,

which was different than what they normally do. Aidan Hutchinson was often the only edge rusher out there. And then for various situations they would change that to sometimes be all four of the delinmen would be defensive tackles, which is what they did on the sneaks. And Royal Lopez in particular

was like getting under Landon Dickerson in a way where the Eagles like to go over that left guard and they were getting under and then the linebackers were coming over and so they kind of had it wasn't that different than it wasn't as weird as like lining up a guy on the ground you know like things like that but it just seemed like the Eagles couldn't quite get as low as they normally do and then I just thought Jalen was like kind of hugging the ball going forward instead of reaching it out even on fourth down which on fourth down you really should just reach it out I mean like it's a turnover if you don't get it too.

So yeah, whatever. I mean, but it was very frustrating to not even be able to do the one thing this offense does well normally is get one yard. I don't think that they count on. It happened three different times

where it got to one yard and one of them was a failed one where they went to the other team. One of them was a false start where it went back. It had to punt. And then one of them, they didn't run it for some reason.

They ran that belly run instead where they handed it to safe one. And that play, like, is going to have haunting effects for the rest of the season because Landon Dickerson can't block DJ Reader at all like he doesn't move

Sequan runs right into Landon for some reason even though there was a lane there whatever and then Landon and DJ Reader kind of move back and they're the ones who roll up on Lane Johnson and that's the play where he gets injured so like you know that's like a lasting thing that we haven't even talked about

today but that's going to affect the offense going forward big time like I mean they were they had Seekwans staying in to Chip against Aidan Hutchinson to help Fred Johnson even when it was a three-man rush. So that's an early indicator that it's going to change the way that they call plays that Fred Johnson's in there. What do you think about the idea that, as proposed by Nick in the chat,

that maybe failing in the tush push is a good thing and will lead to them being a little bit more creative? Stop trying to play for it? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of like the being able to get one yard when you need it

better more than instead of on third and eight running a seven yard hits yeah yeah no I understand you run a nine yard hitch I mean that that that that outside zone to the boundary on second and nine

second and eight from the nine or whatever that one was like that is such a good example of you're trying to get to the put you're trying to get to the push like it's like you're not you're not trying to score like because you can't score on that play you just can't like you're just trying to get close enough

that maybe you can run it again and then and then push it in Yeah, I mean, if the push isn't there, I don't know. I mean, they're so conservative, and they're so into not turning it over and making sure that they do whatever they need to do to just barely stay ahead on the scoreboard, the only thing that had any kind of sign of aggression was the fourth down calls, right? And so if they're going to stop going for those, too, because they don't trust the push, then that is not going to make me happier, no. because I think it'll just make them more conservative. I don't think it'll make them more aggressive. All right.

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working okay uh what's a good what's a good what's a good filibuster question for you how do you feel about raisins oh my god you know the show that it was just me and fran I was telling him about the thing where it's like the reason I have trust issues is raisin cookies that look like chocolate chip cookies that was like a meme and we kind of disagreed about raisins then

and then yesterday he doubles down on the like yeah give me raisins I think Fran and I don't agree on very many food food topics yeah everything from dry cereal to what are against raisins chocolate is it ageism? I don't like

dried fruit in general. I think the idea of drying fruit is like you're killing like the best thing about the fruit which is like the juiciness and freshness. I mean I just like I think people used to dry fruit because they had to and people you know like we just don't need to do it anymore

like just eat fresh fruit. I mean there is a service it provides yeah I mean I would certainly prefer fresh fruit. Yeah I think I think it's gone too Like dry fruit has become a thing that people like. This woke culture has gone way too far. Enough with the dried fruit.

But it used to be men could be men. You could say what was really on your mind. And... Just so everyone knows... Dry whatever fruit you wanted. Just so it's clear. That's bow talking. Okay. I just don't like dried fruit.

Cancel culture. Your fruit Absolute A plus snacks Says Fran I feel bad for you Fran I just don't understand Like how that can be A plus for you I don't know if you

Like don't have access to actual good snacks Or what it is but If you could Hey Jay Hello it's good to see you guys Sorry about the crashing Cushing Bose one shot there

If you could Only eat one fruit for the rest of your life What would it be? Dried fruit No I mean if you want to choose a dried fruit that's your prerogative. It's my prerogative.

Do I have to eat like... Is there going to be some kind of like Turkish bean that we're not available here? It's going to be the Turkish version of a fruit, but can I guarantee it's going to be like a good one? Yeah, I think I think the conceit here is at... Although you know what? That's maybe not fair. Because there's a variance issue with fruit. There are fruits where, yeah, the variance is too high.

But can I at least guarantee I'm getting it in season? Like, I think you get it. the way that you generally get it, so. Oh, and the whole year I have to deal with whatever version of it is available that year. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. Because the peak...

Because then you're valuing more what's going to be. See, one of the peak fruit experiences for me is, like, the peaches that we eat in August in Turkey. I mean, those peaches are just unbelievable, and I could just sit there and eat them, like, all day. But out of season, out of season, those peaches are, like, not good, you know?

So is it worth like a month of good peaches to be sacrificing the rest of the year? I'm not so sure. How about you get the... No, you don't want that. You don't want the average because then you're not getting the... No, no, no, it's for the peak experience. You're like the peak. What's your go-to fruit, E.J.?

I probably would have to go blueberries because I drink a blueberry smoothie every morning. Okay. But I almost never eat... Yeah, I feel like I'm just eating the fruit. The, you're allowed to get the smoothie experience of other fruits, but you can't eat other fruits. I mean, I just know you're going to take this in a way I don't want you to take it. Why would I ever do that? Because, why would you do that?

Probably a banana. I just knew Beau's mind would just go on overdrive for that one. But I didn't say anything. I have no problem with the banana. Julia's the one who laughed. Julia. you're 30 years old you're 29 years old Julia

get your mind out of the better Julia thank you so much her in her age you're not supposed to do that I'm so young she is young young at heart

why are you people young in life too why are you also why are you also young is what I'm just going to say I act old all right all right banana man

Fruis biggest biggest of sake you bit E.J EJ, how do you feel about the Did you happen to Whoa! Big Super chat from King A.B.

Oh. Monster. I can't accept that Jalen wants an offense that gives him limited options. If that's the case, either Jalen is scared of being exposed

by a more varied offense or he is too dumb to see the issues with the offense everyone else sees. I don't buy it. It's very generous, King A.B. Thank you very much.

I'm calling a guy dumb. It's not that, but yeah. It's not generous to call him. I understand. I get the premise. Listen, this is the thing that is impossible to understand from the outside is exactly that. Jalen is someone who thinks highly of himself. He's a smart guy.

I'm sure he wants to be aggressive. It's hard to believe this is the offense he wants to play. We know he cares about winning, but, you know, they all own it. It's Nick's, it's Nick is responsible, Petulo is responsible. Jalen's responsible, and by the way, the rest of the guys in the offense are responsible, too. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm a little bit tired of, like, the AJ, like, oh, laugh off the idea that I might not be as good, but, like, he's clearly not trying to the same level, and maybe the offense would be better

if he had a little bit more of a pep and a step. I agree. I thought AJ's press conference was like a consistent... Tell us about yesterday, because it was a little bit weird. Yeah, it was like a consistent simmer. Like, there wasn't the one... I mean, I guess there was the one soundbite that, you know, really caught people's attention. You know, when he said he was asked, you know, there's a notion out there that you're not the same player.

And he said, I guess Sequin's not the same player either. But I thought almost every answer he had, you can tell that he's frustrated, you know, to the point where he can't mask it. You know, and I think that's what people like about AJ when things are going well is that he's real, he's authentic. But right now, he is clearly a very frustrated player. He's not trying to hide it. And it really seeps into like everything that he talks about. you know, he gets asked, like, do you keep track of other receivers across the NFL? And he says, no. And I asked him, why don't you? And he says, because it makes me upset.

You know, it makes me upset to see other guys doing well when he's not doing well. You know, he said that, you know, he was asked about the reports that there's internal frustration about Jalen Hertz. And, you know, he said, ask me about Dallas. So I mean, again, it's more of the same, which is why it is tiring. It is definitely more of the same with AJ and how frustrated he is. But I do think, like, this. especially the question about Jalen, if he just comes out and says, like, don't, you know, just comes out and says something supportive of Jalen. And he's done that at points this year.

The story calms down so much more. The choice there is definitely. He has power here. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And he's, he, not only does he have power, he is aware of the power that he has. Now, again, I want to make sure I, like, say that he is, like, he's authentic up there, and I can appreciate that.

But for, like, for an Eagles fan, for the, betterment of the team, that authenticity and what it reveals about the state of the team is not an incorrect. Well, yeah. I mean, if he is the one moving the news cycle on these things, Nick is allowed to be annoyed that this is a topic. Jalen's allowed to be annoyed that he keeps getting asked about this. AJ is not really allowed. I mean, he's allowed to do it, but it's a little bit silly for AJ to be annoyed at the questions about the stuff that he is doing. And the thing I really want to like really point out here is like the last couple of weeks, AJ was the most scrutinized player in the locker room.

Like maybe it was the AJ and Jalen dynamic, but AJ was a big part of it. This week it was really Jalen was the most scrutinized player in the locker room. So I do think it is, it was significant that AJ didn't downplay or didn't refute the notion that there's frustration in the locker room for that reason. E.J. I know you were standing right next to him during the scrum yesterday and also you've talked to him on the side as well. So I'm curious what your perspective is on what I said last week and what I kind of am seeing,

both in the videos of these scrums and also his play on the field, his body language. I had the binoculars on him a lot on Sunday night. He's sad. Like, I don't know if he's frustrated as much as he's sad. Yeah. Like, he just seems to be sad. Like, you know, and I'm not going to, like, I'm not a psychologist.

Like, I can't use any, like, you know, scientific terms or anything. But, like, he just seems to be down. And sometimes when you're down, like, that explains why you give up on that go ball a little earlier than you normally would it explains why you can't you know beat like rock you in a one-on-one situation um and you know what will get you up though from being down uh-oh bovert time i can't see the clock where i am that's that that was the issue uh yeah and and i just i'm just curious what your perspective on this like i guess like sad versus frustrated because i think there's a difference um the word i would use to describe a j for a lot of

this season is like dejected, you know, like resign to the way the things are. Now, I don't want to completely absolve him in that because I think there are instances where he makes choices that are not always for the best for the team, whether it is the, like, the go ball against the Lions or, you know, the play against the Broncos. Like, there are instances on the field where it's like, I don't want to make excuses for him, you know, like I think that. I also think some of it is a little bit performative. Like, the sadness is true, but when he's not in a scrum, he's laughing with the guys, right?

It's not like he's just walking around the Novacare complex all day long, like Eeyore. Like, he's still a very popular player in the locker room. Yeah, but do you, I think, do you disagree that, like, there's a defeated feeling? I mean, I've gone through periods of sadness in my life where, like, one of the ways I deal with it is by joking around a lot. Of course. I mean, I don't think that that's like, that means he's not sad. Like, well, I'm not there. I don't see him like you guys do, but, like, that's just, just, just.

I think that it's like there's a defeated nature about the way that he is on the field and the way that he talks about his situation. It's almost, and, you know, a month or, I mean, I guess it's been over a month now ago. He said, like, I'm starting not to care. I think we've seen that since then, that he is starting not to care about certain aspects of this. And it's not, I mean, yeah, it's not ideal. Like, the way that, like, to me, like, I've been defensive of AJ a lot. Like, I've come on this podcast and defended AJ a lot.

Like, the goal ball against the lions, like, the way that that looks on tape, I really am, like, there's no, there's really no defense for it. I'm curious, like, how that played when they watched it back on the film room, because I think a lot of what AJ has talked about, a lot of the reasons for his frustration, that was an opportunity for him to change that. And again, for, like, I think your read on it is correct, Dana is that there is, like, a defeated nature to it. No doubt. But, like, that can't, that can't, like, you have to work your way out of that.

Yeah, for sure. He is exacerbating the problem. For sure. That play was horrendous. Horrendous. He starts jogging as the ball is being thrown. and then the ball lands in bounds exactly where he would normally be

like four yards beyond him like I mean it was it was terrible like you can't have that but again like I'm just wondering if it's not like you don't think he's frustrated so he's intentionally like not going for the ball so it looks like a bad throw right

I mean that I'd have to be in his head for that so it's hard for me it's hard to know why but if he goes up and makes that play you know play it play it forward like if he makes those plays then all of a sudden the defense is maybe playing him a little bit differently or maybe it emboldens the offense to not be quite so conservative

if they can trust that he's going to do those kinds of things if they have to call plays knowing that they're not going to get the best version of him that's going to that's probably going to make them be more conservative yeah i think that's i mean it's one of the many like very entangled things that's wrong with the eagle's offense right now one of the complicated things that they need to be able to figure out is a j brown's frustration like the lack of consistency and like his willingness to be the guy that he says he wants to be, I think that is a big problem.

All right. And how it affects the locker room. I think that that is another major thing here is like how do these guys navigate that? All right. Let's talk about the good part of the team. You know what? It's funny because I'm doing my locker room notes for tomorrow. Make sure to check those out on all p.h.oI.com.

And I feel like there's been a real juxtaposition in the Eagles locker this week of like happy defensive players. and very frustrated, very upset, offensive players. So, like, in the notes, I'm going to do, like, Jalen Hertz responds to reports that people are, there's internal frustration.

Jordan Davis said he brings cookies to the Saturday walkthrough. Like, you know, AJ Brown is sort of, like, batting away questions about all the drama that's going on in the Eagles locker room. But, you know, Jalen Carter, Vic Fangio says he's playing pretty well. So, yeah, I guess, like,

there is a weird balance that you have to strike talking about this team right now. Yeah, you can see it on the sideline, too. Like, at the game, Like the defense is all talking to each other, like all high-fiving each other, doing group celebrations, and then the offense is just like, you know, like all sitting kind of far away from each other, like looking into space. Yeah, and like these guys, they feel like. And they talk about it on defense, like, yeah, BG talked about it on the show this week, Reed Blankenship talked about on the show this week. Like they really do, they feel that like, you know, if Nacobi makes a play, everybody's super happy for Nikobe to make a play.

They're all, they're all rallying together. It's true. Jordan Milada said that like the film session this week was tough for that reason. Like, you know, defensive guys are like super happy. Like, you know, he said like they're almost like off to the side like laughing while the offense has to go with all these corrections. Yeah. Not to say that like they're like actually laughing, but it's just like, you know, there's a different energy. Sure.

On opposite sides of the building right now. That's what happens when you're winning. Hopefully it gives them a kick in the ass. 10, 7 and 16.9. Yeah. The last time the Eagles scored 26 points in two consecutive games. and won them both. Didn't score 26 points.

It scored 26 points or fewer. And won both games. Yeah, I mean, I saw your stat. I already saw it. I follow you. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know.

I'm sure you're a busy guy. You got to get a good. 1997 was the last time. The Bobby Hoying year. Yeah. Sick. Good to have a good defense. All right.

What do you got on the defense? Masterpiece. Just a masterpiece. I mean, by EPA per drive, this was the second best game of the Fangio era, but the best one was against Cooper Rush last year. Right. I mean, against like a good offense like this, it was the worst game by far for the Lions offense in the last three years.

I mean, by any metric you want and by far, like outlier. It was just so good, so good from the beginning. I was curious, going into the game, we were curious, is Quinnion going to follow a guy? Is he going to play to the boundary? I think that this is going to be the formula. he's playing to the boundary now if it's a team that has like a superstar and they're they line up on the outside all the time maybe he'll follow them we'll see what happens against dallas on sunday because in the first game if you remember he started following pickens in the first half right and then c d lams just destroying adori jackson like i mean that game like cd lamb had like four or five explosive plays all against adory jackson and then in the second half they switched even though cd lamb lines up in the slot a lot quinion always followed him and and then, you know, Adori Jackson was going with George Bickens.

Since then, Vick's done it a bunch of different ways. He's played him to the field. He's played him to the boundary. These last two weeks, he's played Quignan to the boundary. And that lets him run some cover six, some cover eight to help Adori Jackson. But as Fran pointed out on your show on Monday, it was like a very good mix of cover six and cover eight, meaning the offense doesn't know if it's going to be Quinyon on the quarter side

or Adori Jackson on the quarter side. So you can't call plays to attack. a predictable coverage. I thought the way that Vic kind of changed that up was brilliant. The exchanges, the blitzes, as needed throughout the game.

There were so many plays where I'm taking notes, first I do the coverage, then I do the rush, and I'm like, the coverage was perfect. Like, it was beautiful. Like, I mean, everyone was covered. It doesn't matter how much time

the quarterback would have had to throw. And then you watched the rush and it was like a quick sack. You know what I mean? And it's like, it didn't even need to be. Like, it's like the defense is so good that the coverage and the rush are both winning at the same.

time. There are examples where the coverage wasn't good. You know, Brock Wright is wide open on the fourth down, but also on the interception. I think McCuba was supposed to rotate down to cover him, Reed's kind of pointing to him, and instead he runs to the post. So it was just a bust. And Brock Wright turns around at the sticks. He's wide open.

It would have been a first down. And Jordan Davis tips the ball and it turns into an interception. So that's an example where you got a, where you got a tipped ball. By the way, Jordan Davis NFC defensive player of the year? He was like the six of the week. Of the week. He was the sixth best player on the Eagles defense this game? Like going, what are they talking?

Did they watch the game? Like, did they see? Absolutely insane. Did they see Nicobi Deans? Like, they must have stopped watching at like half time or something. Did they see Nicoby Deans three plays in a row at the end of the game? Like, three bat downs is, is cool. Somewhat, but it's like, somewhat lucky. It's one more than completely unremarkable. Yeah, right? Like if you had two bad downs, you'd be like, oh, okay, that's good.

The bad downs are fine. It's just that you had, teammates in this game. But the bad downs are fine. Quinion Mitchell and Nicobi Dean were the best two defensive players on the field. And so like to ignore both of them and like give it to give it to Jordan Davis. I mean, whatever. The defense was awesome. It's a team award.

Yeah, it's a team award or whatever. But I mean, Quinyon Mitchell, like, I mean, he didn't allow a single reception. And they kept throwing at him. And the fact that they're throwing at him in those situations shows how well coordinated the defenses. It's not like Jared Gough doesn't know where Dori Jackson is, right? Like, it's like, it means that it's been, you know, the coverage has been called in a way to protect Adori Jackson. And Adori Jackson is also a little bit better as well.

So if you're definitively going sixth for Jordan Davis in that game, you're going, you're going Quignan, Nacobi Dean, you're going Jalen Carter, you're going Zach Bonn. Zach Bonn, yeah. And then Jalen Phillips? Morrow-O-Gimo? Yeah, maybe even lower than sixth. I would also, I'm always going to put Cooper to Gene like above Jordan.

David's too like he's out there every snap and he's like a huge part of the reason the coverage is yeah all the time he had some effective blitzes in this game as well yeah Jordan Davis might have been like eighth yeah yeah I mean he did have three three batted passes at the line that's those are impact impact plays you know I heard all week about how dejecting that is for an offense you know it's like demoralizing to see to see uh like to have your passing offense impacted by and look I don't think counting tackles is a good way to evaluate defensive tackles anyway because a lot of times like the linebacker gets the tackle because the defensive tackle made a good play and Jordan Davis was good against the run in this game

but like so was Jalen Carter and so was you know I don't know just like I don't care about those awards anyway I just thought it was very funny like in this in this case I got two soccer analogies for the show today the first of which is that it's kind of like in the champions league it feels like the man of the match is never who it's supposed to be like it's always like some random player and like the fans are outraged by it so maybe maybe the NFL's going that way isn't In Champions League, isn't it voted on by fans? I think, like, that's one of the reasons. I don't know who.

I think that's one of the reasons it's always so bad. Yeah, and it's always in, like, it's always in, like, real time. Like, they give it to you literally the second the game is over, so. What's your other sacri analogy? Queenie on Mitchell, I have a player comparison for you here. Do you want to guess first? It seems like it looks like you want to guess. His personality, less so than, like, how he plays.

I don't know. Cole Palmer. Like, just kind of like, Cole Palmer and Quinion Mitchell both like you you talk to them because I went up to Quineon yesterday and I asked him if like do you have like other elite cornerbacks in the NFL that like have reached out to you or like do you like talk to any of these guys now that like you're becoming recognized as like one of the one of the best corners in the league and he's like I'm not really on social media like I don't they don't have my number so no like I don't

don't hear from anybody and it's just like you kind of when you talk to him it's almost like you wonder like do you like realize like how like remarkable what you're doing is and And that's kind of like the Cole Palmer thing. It's like nonchalance. And like that is like what a part of what makes you great is that like it's not too big for you. It's kind of just like this is just what I do. So in some ways it's it reminds me of Devante Smith but like there's a big difference

right? Devante Smith like won the Heisman. Like he came into the NFL already. Alabama already as a star who like won championships and like and Quinnian Mitchell is coming from this like small school like he's never been in like the spotlight before and he's acting as if he was, he was, like, born here. Yeah, because, like, Devante will still get, like, fired up when he makes a big play. And, like, Queenion, I guess he talks trash out there, but, like, it's almost just like,

hmm, yeah, like, I just locked down the best receiver on the other team, like, just kind of how it goes for me, you know? It's like, there's a nonchalance that is different than most guys. He's been a little bit more demonstrative of the celebrations, which is fun. Yeah. Like, he did the, he did the arms folded, you know, like, stuff like that. And just, like, he was just, like, yelling at St. Brown, like, after, after that one.

Yeah, it was awesome. I just love, like, every time they throw at him, I just write, like, why are they throwing at him? Like, why are they throwing a Glyn? Like, why would you waste the down? Super chat from Dr. Prince Blue, who says, is Lane Johnson's Patriots comments, karma now? Good point here. Remember if this is from 2017 when the Eagles beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They're not having fun. Lay made a big thing about how even though when they're, even when they're winning, they're not having fun. It does feel like that has come home to roost a little bit. I don't know. Maybe that is the cost of success. I mean, it's a great point. I think, like, I mean, yeah, it is like this is part of what makes this team so great is that they win games and, like, you know, we'll play a video of BG coming up here.

And I, like, hit my ear that, like, he's like, you know, these have been a tough couple last weeks and it's like, you beat two of the best teams in the conference. Yeah, it's crazy. The Eagles are defending Super Bowl champions, eight and two, and current Super Bowl favorites. And you would think, like, I mean, just the way it's discussed, like, I mean, yeah, it really is crazy. I know, but I will, I, what I do object to is the perception from some people in the building that, like, this is the media's fault. Oh. Oh, yeah.

That's, you guys, you're never asking good questions. You know, it's like, it's never positive where you're a Super Bowl champion's 8 and 2. Yeah. Because these are the things that are being talked about. And these are the things that are coming out of the building. Like, give me a break. I mean, I was talking to Jeremiah Trotter Jr. about snickerdoodle cookies yesterday.

It doesn't get less hard hitting than that. Jordan Davis said he stole all of them, right? Yeah, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. did own up to this. He said that he said he likes a soft cookie and that the snickerdoodles are like the softest of the cookies that Jordan Davis offers, but they are like a soft. Did you get to the bottom of Jordan Davis actually makes them? Him and his girlfriend apparently makes them,

which is probably why he's being kind of cagey about me. He doesn't put her on blast. But, yeah, he says for the whole defense, for the record, and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. said he used to grab four. He's down to two now because he's trying to, you know, not... Okay, well, this makes me think of the great Reggie Wells from back in the day who used to have a stack of like eight cookies from the cafeteria at the Novacare Complex by his locker.

Always respected that from Reggie Wells. Yeah. But the Jordan Davis, I'm curious here. because I think it was maybe two training camps ago or something like that where he was shouting out a specific place but he mentioned multiple girlfriends he said I take some of my girlfriends there

did he really say that I wanted to this means that maybe he's settling down to one girlfriend or maybe I mean maybe maybe this is just this is the cookie girlfriend yeah I don't remember him saying I take my girlfriends there certainly certainly caught my ear what's that yeah could have been like his yeah his

my dad does not cook very much one of his things and he goes to the grocery store and he's become known by one cashier as cookie guy because all he gets

is the Wegman's cookies he just goes in for those and like I'm trying to get him like you can get like those like things that well no free advertising you get those things at the grocery so you just put him in the oven right you chop them and yeah

he literally just goes in there and gets cookies respect I mean I guess it's fine the man you should see the man's refrigerator he doesn't have any food in there like it's all like it's all well it's it's cookies on the counter but it's just like it's literally nothing it's like old like butter and diet cook old butter jay you live in a good nickname for somebody oh old butter it's good don't like that one you live in westchester right i do my dad lived out there for a long time

and i would visit him on weekends and on the road from Westchester to Exton, there used to be an Entenman's wholesale shop. Hmm. It was like just Entenmans and just wholesale. You say that so proper. So you had to buy like six boxes of cookies. Like they were all taped together.

Like you couldn't buy just the one. So we would go buy the Entenman's like like little soft chocolate chip cookies. Those are my dad's favorite cookies. He would wake up in the middle of the night and eat a whole box. And because we had six, like six were just sitting in the kitchen. We would like open one and just finish it. Like once you open it, it's like for. breakfast.

They're so tiny, too. Yeah. It's permanently closed, unfortunately. No, yeah, no, I know. I know. I know. Otherwise, I'd be driving out there. We've got some good spots.

If you're ever in Westchester, I can give you some good recommendations. Sounds good. It would be nostalgic for me. I went to Exton Elementary for one year. Oh, really? Yeah, third grade, yeah. There was another suggestion in the chat, E.J., they're curious if you have talked to Tanner McKee about Morogemon's Portuguese.

Oh, of course. Yeah. Okay. pretty good. He said he's impressed that he's picked it up so quickly. Um, and yeah, he, he said, he asked, like, Moro will ask him, like, how do you say specific things, including lifting weights, which is very on brand for Moro Ojima. I'm looking forward to, closer, looking forward to what Morrow O'Drimo inevitably takes my class in like 10 years. Yeah, he said that Penn needs to set up like a special program for him because,

oh, okay. I'll see what I can do, Morrow. I'll ask them. I mean, he's just, he needs, like, it's a, like, fit around his schedule. Oh, no, no, but I mean after, like, you know, the way Brandon Brooks did, like, after your time. Yeah, I think he, I think he would be open to doing it, like, now, but it has to fit around his schedule. Yeah. Did you, do you know what a JD MBA is?

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Did you, do you, do you, do you know that? Jordan Davis. But you can, you can do the JD MBA as a full-time MBA student, so, like, like, yeah, that, again, is a good one for after your time. He said it very matter of fact to me, and I just wants to do, like, yeah, I don't know what a JDMBA is.

For those who don't know, it's a law degree and a business degree at the same time. Right. So it's one year longer than just the normal NBA, and you take both law and NBA classes. I mean, if Mora wants them to create something for him at Penn, he could just talk to one of the two very famous Penn alumni who he could get in touch with. You're talking about Connor Barwin and Brandon Brooks? I'm talking about the president and Joshua Harris. Okay. I don't know.

I mean, they'll be very interested in the fact that Morrow was in college at 16 years old. How do you pronounce the thing that Dana has said, the place, the shop that got permanently closed? Intimance. I say enemence. Is that like my, like, Philadelphia accent? You also say, you also say, interesting. I do. Wow, calling that.

No, no, I'm just saying, I'm saying it's consistent. It's consistent with your accent. No, no, it doesn't bother me. It's just... You say, interesting? Interesting. I'm not sure. I say interesting.

I say interesting. Interesting, yeah. I've lost some of my Philly accent. Like, I don't say, I say, I say water now. Water? I don't. I say water. No, you don't.

Water, I guess. I say water. I don't say water anymore. Look at my big old drug of water. Water. Do you think this is because you're in the public, and you've had to, you feel like you've had to change it? I think I lost it in college, which I went to temple.

Like, I shouldn't have, but I definitely did. Water. Water. Yeah, that was, that was, I lost my Philly accent. My whole family says water, though, and I don't. I lost it. I wish I didn't lose it. Because I, but I do say water ice.

I, like, can't, I can't shake that one. Okay. It's a very specific thing. I've been accused of not having any sort of action. like any distinguished accent of any sort and and that makes sense it's my second language and I have never spoken English at home and they say that they say that when you don't speak like a language at home and it's like your second language you don't develop those like local yeah so I don't know that's interesting that's the

reason interesting Francis Temple has a great broadcast performance classes that knock the accent right out I didn't take those because I don't think I did All right, what else you got in your notes? We've got to hear from. No, it's just a brilliant game from the defense. I mean, and I think going forward, there's a lot of reason to think that this defense is going to continue to climb.

Best defense in the NFL since the buy again, like we're saying the since the buy thing again, the buy just came at a different time. Jalen Phillips was awesome again. The stunts, the exchanges, like they just look so well-coordinated on those, even though they're playing together for the first time with Jalen Phillips. And Jalen Phillips had three straight plays

where he dropped in the coverage. he looks great dropping into coverage. He knows exactly where to drop. He's taking away, passing way. Even the first play of the game when he has to chase Jemir Gibbs, like he almost got there. No, yeah, for sure. He was doing.

For sure. And, you know, Fran made a good point about Lowe, if you never drop, right, the defense, the offensive lineman isn't going to ever think you're going to drop. But on that sack that he got, where Panasual turns inside, I'll add something to that that Fran,

that I texted Fran later, like, in the locker room after the game, Jalen Phillips said, I thought it was a toss crack play. and he thought Amun Ra, St. Brown, was going to try to crack him. And so he was trying to get outside of the crack. He wasn't actually like, he wasn't actually like pretending. Well, yeah, that was a bad.

That was really bad by me. Sorry about that. No. I just have to go with it. He was trying to get outside of the crack. So he ended up looking like he was dropping into coverage because he was trying to get outside of St. Brown. Sewell thought that he was dropping.

And then he got the easy sack. It's impossible to talk about football. Yeah, it's so hard. I don't even know what that would mean. It's just impossible. He's trying to get outside of the crack. Just destroyed. Well.

Destroyed Julia. Julia is dead. It's been a long week. Also, like, crack is a verb, I think, has changed a little bit in the internet zeitgeist. Like, saying I'm trying to crack somebody. I mean. Let's not. Like, it is.

It is over time. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say crack and smash. I don't think I've ever heard. I don't know if I've ever heard crack like that. I mean, did you guys see... I try to keep up.

I don't keep up, but I tried to keep up. Did you guys see the graphic that Amazon used last night for Josh Allen? They had, they had SAC EPA, and then they had Scramble EPA, and then they literally wrote under it, Scrack EPA. Like, it was the sum of the two, and people were just, like, making fun of it. Like, what the hell is Scrack? Like, would they just, like, made up. a thing made up a word oh I'm sorry I feel like the silliness came in with me like I feel like

I really devolved to the show we started out like but was like literally crying at the first five minutes so yeah so it's been a loopy Friday real Prince Blue says crack equals back breaking sex why would you read that I saw it in chat I was like this the way he's gonna read that? Congratulations to read Blankenship. Yeah. Speaking of which. Next time you have them on, you can ask them about it.

I don't even, but it doesn't even, that doesn't even make sense with outside the crack. I'm done talking about the crack. All right, what else would you like to talk about? I think that's it on the defense. I mean, the defense was terrible against Dallas in the first half. I don't know if you guys remember Dallas scored on their first four drives of the game. No one could play defense in that game until the lightning delay, if you recall.

And then nobody could play offense. It was both sides of the ball were that way. But so much of it, I just went back and, watched some of the big plays, it's just like C.D. Lamb getting all these explosives against Adori Jackson. And I just feel like, even though they're both going to be on the field again, there's going to be a better plan for it,

and I think it'll be a lot better. And then the past rush has just gotten so much better as well. That, yeah, I mean, I think it's going to be good on good when they have the ball for sure. I mean, as Fran mentioned, they've beaten up on bad defenses, but they are a good offense, and they are figuring things out, and, you know,

DAC's like six and one at home against the Eagles and all these different things. Like, the only time the Eagles beat DAC in Dallas was 2017, so if that matters. Also, wearing the Kelly Greens in this game. Yeah, how do you feel about that? Here's the thing. Okay, first of all, I love seeing the Kelly Greens in person.

They're only allowed to wear them so many times. So having one of them be on the road is a little bit, a little bit upsetting. And the last time the real Kelly Green jerseys were worn, Not the retroversion, but before they changed, was the divisional playoff loss in Dallas in 1995. When Rodney Pete got injured, Randall Cunningham had to come in, and he didn't know any of the plays

because he missed practice all week because his wife was having a baby. Different times when the backup quarterback just misses practice the way, comes in, didn't know how to do anything. And it was just a disaster, 30 to 11, I think, was the final score. So I don't love that historical nature of bringing the Kelly Greens into that setting. about the clowny thing. I'm worried about it. Dr. Prince Blue. Bo is Ron Burgundy. He reads the teleprompter.

Professor. Your grades on Super yesterday. So tell us your on the Cam Latu Totum, the Keely Ringo of Power, and how you expected the final bid to go. I thought you were going to pull up notes that you had for all the house.

No, no, I annotated the thing already. The Ringo of Power So here's the thing I was saying this a little bit Before the show I don't like it When you can use one of these props To erase an item

Right Like I thought the yak I thought the yak item Like I thought of the yak item So maybe it's just because I feel attacked But like I thought that would be fun And then Fran just like He's like here's the ringo of power

And I destroy your item So I don't love that I think maybe you can steal the item Instead of killing the item Something like that But the item should stay and be 12 in play. Yeah, I think, I think... Which is why at least the...

Cam Latu totem? No, the Eli Ricks card. Eli Ricks card, it added a different item, so there were still 12. Yeah. No, the Cam Latu underutilization totem, I really don't. I'm like... It also had nothing to do with Camelot. I'm like, why am I writing this on a spreadsheet right now?

Like, like, where is my life gone? But this is what I'm doing. I don't know. Like, it's like, I don't, I don't know. I feel like, yeah, I like the rule that you can only have one of these a week. Let me put it that way. Did you at least like the spirit of the Cam Latu underutilization totem? You're a guy who likes to see the turkeys fly.

I think it should have had more to do with Cam Latu somehow. I mean, it's if you underutilize your turkeys like the Eagles underutilized Cam Latu. Somebody's going to take advantage. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's fine that you guys are introducing these things, but. Yeah, I don't know. And what do you, how?

I'm proud of my, I'm proud of my ability to continue these, like, weird auctions on the last item. Yeah. How is that supposed to go? And is there ever any actual real life use case for that? Yeah. So I thought this was, so for those of you who didn't see Swooper, and I mean, if you're watching this far into the show and you didn't see Swoop. Like, what are you doing? Yeah.

The item was the Eagles win by more points than the second highest bid, where they all three bid, and the highest and the highest and the lowest both pay their bids. And the middle person determines the, determines the item, but doesn't pay anything. I mean, it. it's like an upward pressure on bidding high for everybody, right? Because you don't want to be last. And then if you think you're going to be second, you want it to be as high as possible to make it less likely to hit.

So I thought that would lead to high bids, and it did. The bids were high, 12, 8, and 7. So I thought that was fun. I just wanted to do something where, like, the pressure on the bids were the rules made it higher, like incentivizes you to bid high for everything. Now, announcing that you're going to bid 7 publicly.

And then actually bidding 7, questionable. Yeah, I don't. don't know if I would have done that, but unless you thought of it as just cheap talking that they weren't going to believe you. But it seemed like Fran believed you. I think they were going to believe me. Yeah, but fun.

E.J. Meanwhile, has three items now that he's carrying into future weeks. Also, we didn't catch in real time that Fran needed to spend seven turkeys to use his ring of power for free and unheard of unheard of usage but yeah he has to so he's down to five turkeys I believe

France is only one person thinks Cam Latu is underutilized Cam Latu probably also thinks that's not true I have to ask you if you heard Jeff McLean's podcast today or at least saw if you at least saw it about Cam Latu so I knew that this was front of mind he had a podcast today that was that was entirely centered around his advocacy for more Cam Latu usage

which you know as your former colleague and perhaps former friends how do you how do you feel about him stepping on your Cam Latu toes I feel betrayed Jeff I hope that he sees this I mean it was Olivia before

now it's Jeff I mean I didn't listen to his podcast yet I will listen to it on my way home so I don't know I don't think you should I don't think you should listen and drive at the same time it might be dangerous and you're going to be angry I mean the podcast is basically him like I have a solution for the

fact the Grand Calcuttaire can't block And it's, wait till after the break till I tell you what it is. I mean, at the very least, like, maybe you don't think more Cam Latu at fullback is the answer. But, like, you see Grant Calcutera every week? Why not try to? Yeah.

I'm not saying that he's, you know. Grand Calcutera said that he thinks he's been blocking really well the last two games. I mean, I know he's worked hard at it. Like, I'm not trying to be, like, mean-spirited about it. It's just, it's obvious that it's an area that they need to address. So. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

They ran counter six times with him as the rapping blocker in this game and on three of them he literally didn't touch anybody like he ran through guys you know like between guys I should say who then went on to make the tackle and for him to say that that was a good game blocking

is yeah it just makes you wonder because you see Kam Latu on his only snap in the game like destroys Aidan Hutchinson like you just wonder like can't he just do that from a different formation like shouldn't he be the one on the field it's not like they throw to Grand Calcutera I understand from a roster construction perspective

why you would want your second tight end to be a receiving tight end because they're harder to find and your first tight end might get injured, right? In which case you want the second tight end to be able to fill his shoes and Dallas Goddard gets injured a lot

so you want Calcuttaire on the roster for that reason. But given that Dallas Goddard isn't injured, right? And you don't throw to the second guy, like how is it that Grand Calcutara is getting all these snaps and being out there? There are so many run plays where it's Granson and Calcatera are the only two tight ends on the field. Yeah.

They are the worst two blocking tight ends. ends in the game and then they run out of those so uh willie lampkin is the answer says fran in the chat i don't disagree the two don't they only have like a week left to activate him right yeah practice window do you think they're going to do it it's got to be this week i think it's i think it's i think it's got to be i don't know yeah it's tomorrow i feel like i have to i mean it's it's really been that long i think it's 21 days yeah if lane goes on i are they'll have a roster spot for him so it would make sense you'd be bummer thing myel Inton is more likely or 11.9.

Because Hit Hinton and they're just, they just started the window. Yeah, they've got time with Hinton. They have to make the decision with Hinton. It was the 6th. So they have till the 27th. It's not, it's not. Maybe it's because. It's not Saturday.

I guess we were thinking because it's been three games. Yeah. No, no, but it's actually like 21 days. Yeah. Okay. So they do have time. So November 6th, November 27th, which is next Thursday. So they would basically have to activate them for the Bears game.

They'd have to activate them for the Bears game. bears game or they can't later yeah all right good stuff everybody we will be with you on sunday for the kickoff show the halftime show and the postgame show vini curry joining us do you want to answer this pecanus migrate from fran sure raisins hitches and calcutera blocks oh man um i'm going to migrate raisins like because there's never good. So yeah, migrating raisins. I got to stand up for raisins here.

Oh, come on. I mean, of course. Turncoat. Of course. Raisins, there's nothing wrong with raisins everybody. Raisins are great. Oh, man. Someone is kind enough to make you something with raisins in it. Wow. You should just appreciate that. Julia got to you, huh? Well, she didn't. Actually,

she agreed with me. I'll stay on brand. That's because she's great. I'll stay on brand. I'll stay on brand with the Turkish thing. There is a kind of raisin. It's like this very tiny tiny raisin that we use in like savory foods like that you mix with rice that you then put into like a stuffed pepper, you know, that kind of thing.

Those raisins I actually like but it's not meant to be like a sweet you know part of a dessert or like a or a snack by itself. So if I can't just have those raisins as my peck though right? I have to, okay I'm migrating raisins. I guess I'll

have to pack God I don't want to I don't want to nest any of those? I know. You're going to end up with an all-hitch offense. Yeah.

Well, that's what we have anyway. So let's just make it represent real life. I'll nest the hitches. Wow. Because that's our life. The hitches aren't going away. Raisins are... No, they're never good.

And I'll peck the Calcutara blocks. The Eagles offense has nested both the hitches and the Calcutera blocks, unfortunately. Let me explain to the chat very quickly that I went home yesterday and my wife had not listened to the podcast yet, but she had come home from the grocery store with raisins

because she wanted to make granola with raisins so I told her the story and because my wife is amazing never thrown her under the bus ever on the show she was like oh I totally agree with you like if you were expecting chocolate chips in the granola and it's got raisins lean a little bit to your left

go back to that shot please Julia you went to the afro yeah there's your hat yeah oh yeah there it is it's a hat I'm really trying to get it perfect All right. I mean, that's pretty good. If you move closer, it'll just be like you have a flat top.

I mean, not a million miles away. I'm not sure that would be a good hairstyle for me. So anyway, what did Julia say? She agreed with me, and she didn't take issue with me telling the story, and she agreed that if you were expecting chocolate chips. You know what the worst is? My wife. I had a long think on Low Drive home yesterday

about a lot of things on the show. Like the Cam Latu Totum. my like very destructive role in the Kamlatu totem like everything good about it somebody else did everything bad was me um and then yeah i was like i threw my wife under the bus have you talked to kam latu yet about the cam latu totem no you know i don't want a weird amount yeah that he would be weird it's like i'm nervous to talk to brennan johnson oh yeah i can see that they can see that but you have experience in this area i do yeah how is the lodge you doing You guys still talk?

I'll leave a chair for him every night of dinner. Oh, wait, I have to tell another story. Okay. So before I have this long thing, well, no, part of the long think I had about myself on the way home. Yesterday was a weird day for me. I just was, I think I got my own head about a lot of stuff. Okay. On my way out of the parking lot, Fran and I are in our cars, and we both move at the same exact time.

And I was like, like, Fran, please go. Like, I cannot. Like, you know, push over millennial in me. Like, I'm begging him to go. And I think Fran was, like, enjoying the fact. Oh, I would absolutely relish that. I'm like, no, please just put me out of my misery and go. And he's like, come on.

And then I go and I'm like, sorry. I'm sorry, I held you up. And just, again, that drive home I was just like, man, tough day. Could be worse. Your team could be eight and two and everybody hates each other. All right, only on the offense. Come on. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast.

Thank you, Julia. Thank you, Lindsay, for helping from afar. Thank you, E.J. Thank you, Professor. Thanks, everybody in the chat. We'll talk to you on Sunday. Have a cracking weekend. And as always, we love you.

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