PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will Eagles’ OC Kevin Patullo grant Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown’s wish?

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

The Eagles offensive coordinator said Tuesday the plan is for the offense to be in “attack mode,” echoing the sentiment shared by Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown after the comeback win against the Los Angeles Rams. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody, live from the Xfinity Studio. It is the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley. E.J. Smith is here. He has talked to Kevin Petulow. He has talked to Vic Vanjo. He has talked to Michael Clay. We're going to hear what he heard, what he thinks is important, what you need to know. We're going to hear from Brandon Graham. A little discussion about Zach Bonn and how he slept last night. good stuff. How are you doing E.J.? I'm doing well. We do have some breaking news around the NFL. Oh, breaking

news. What do we got? The Houston Texans have released CJ Gardner Johnson. Surprising. Interesting considering yesterday the Eagles released Kenyon Green. I haven't talked about it. Yeah, I mean. Maybe it's a suicide pact. Yeah, it's just

that only went into effect the fourth time the Eagles released Kenyon Green. The worst trade ever. Somewhere in the fine print of that deal. Everybody gets that. If you release him, maybe that's why, actually that would explain

the roster dance with the Eagles and Kenyon Green. If they knew that there was a clause in the deal of their trade that if we released this guy four times, you then have to release CJ Gardner Johnson. I mean, if the Texans agreed to that, it would be an odd thing to them to agree on,

but it was an odd trade to begin with. Maybe they're like, oh, man, Kenyon Green. There's no way he's going to go claim three different times. But it is surprising. I mean, would you take him back? I would expect that the Texans waving him out of nowhere, just releasing him out of nowhere, is probably signal that the Eagles are not going to just take him back.

I mean, but I don't know. I mean, I tend to agree that, like, it's not a coincidence that he keeps bouncing from team to team, but I also... Team to team. I also feel like, I mean, I can say that, like, I mean, what you... The indication when they cut him...

when they traded him in the offseason, that it was not a character thing. It wasn't like a locker room waves thing. I know that he has big fans in that building still. So I don't know. If they were in a worse spot at safety, I probably would be more bullish on the idea of him coming back,

but I almost wonder if he could find a better opportunity elsewhere. You would think he could. Yeah. But also, I mean, listen, they have never not made it to the Super Bowl with CJ Gardner Johnson on the roster. Yeah. So there's a reason for that.

And it's certainly they would get him cheaper than they thought they were going to have to get him at last year. Could you sign him and play him at nickel and put Cooper on the outside? Is that a better version of a secondary than what you have currently? That's interesting. I don't know if he is as spry as a nickel as he was at the beginning of his career. I feel like he is a full-time safety now, don't you? I tend to agree, but I also think it would probably be a better version of the Eagle secondary still.

like is like you know I mean certainly the base would be improved let's use the if you were going to still have Macuba in the nickel but C.J. Garnar Johnson in the base. I think I think if you bring him, if you brought him in it,

he'd be starting. I don't see that's the problem. I don't think he doesn't want to rotate the safeties. And that's a sense of it. I don't think you want to play that game with Maccuba, right? He's already playing. You know,

he's playing fine. I would go even further and say he's playing well in the role they're asking him of asking of him. So I think I probably don't do it, but... Let us know in the chat. Yeah, this is interesting. I try to make this show conversational, okay?

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It's just chat. It's not the chat. What are you talking about? Do you, have you heard when Vinny refers to it? It's chat. It's just chat. You haven't heard this expression before? The chat.

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Yeah. Just kind of get, not because I don't say the chat. No, this is all. What am I got to start saying? Scooby-bidi-b-d-bop? See, I don't know. Just all this nonsense, gins and stuff.

I don't know what generation that's from. Skibbitty toilet or whatever it is. Skibbidi-Riz is what. that is oh okay well that's those of you in riz let us know if you think deagles should bring back c j garner johnson riz riz is uh there are certain things that's like in the drippy category like we can't say we can't say riz that's not that's not for us oh you're trying to coin it as the check yeah yeah yeah yeah was that did you did you notice that uh um i've been getting roasted for the coin it's the coin it good yeah i got to take the out so are you watched

I'm not watched. Okay, so you're allowed to just be wrong about something. I mean, yes, that is totally true. You act like that's not true. Coined it. We were just talking on the post game show. I didn't know that this was going to be. No, no, no.

This was not some aside. You came out full chest out like this is. I coined it. I coined it. I coined it. If all I'm saying is if you look on a certain social media platform and you put in the quotes, Jordan Davis game into your.

search bar at the final whistle, the first person to tweet it was me. That's not coining. Also, you had an advantage. You were at the game. Everybody's got to coin it. Everybody has to coin something, you know? Like, like, that's not true. That's not an expression.

Somebody has to be the first one. No, but that, no, no, no, no, no. That's not everybody has to coin something. That's everything. Somebody has coined everything. Not every person has to coin, so you haven't reversed. No. I was the first one to say.

It's not like, you know, everybody will have their 15 minutes of fame. Everybody's going to coin something. Everyone is going to be the first to say something. And, you know, got to take a whiff. That's not true. I hope the people know I'm not, like, serious about this, though. I've gotten some people who have been, like, upset that I said I coined it. Like, I know, guys.

Like, it's okay. It's just, it's just jokes. So. Yeah, you think, I mean, do you think, do you, aside from whether they, whether they should, do you think the Eagles will be interested in bringing CJ Garne Johnson back. It's a good question. Like I said, I know that there are still fans of him in the organization, but I... Feels like Riz is pretty split here. Riz or chat?

I thought we were just saying Riz. I don't say Riz. I've never said Riz in a serious context ever. Riz, it's like charisma. I think that's where the word derives from. but it's like you know who was the who was the like the the young kid

like rised up liby done or whatever it was oh baby grunk baby grunk that sentence kills brain cells do you think how I will be interested I don't know about that one I imagine that's where it becomes a matter of like do they really need to

unsettle the locker room at this at this point in the season it also does he have better opportunities. But I, yeah, that is not a, that is not a seamless transition. Right,

exactly. It's not like, you know, part of the selling point of bringing in a guy who has been here is that there, there is less of an onboarding process.

And theoretically, they can, they can jump in, you know, right where they left off to some degree. I think it would be much more, um,

eggshells. Yes. C.J. Garne Johnson coming back. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I just,

I do think, also why was he just released? Like there's got to be something too. Yeah, I don't know. Like I could go either way with that. Part of me thinks like, yeah, that is a red flag that they cut him midseason. They just traded for him and he was a starter for them. Like what happened behind the scenes?

But also like, why does that matter to the Eagles? You know? True. Because you could make the same way. Yeah, they know him. They handled him before. Right. And like you think about like Jalen, when they drafted Jalen Carter, it's like he wasn't right for every team, but he might be right for the Eagles locker room.

So I could see. I really, I kind of, I mean, I think that chat can sense that. like we are oh that chat not just chat chat um i think you can tell i wouldn't say that the chat is so you're you're still giving it an article it's just chat i said that chat yeah i think that chat can tell it's still you got to take the L on that one okay interesting you still said that chat yes how now that chat um yeah i think it is obvious that we're sort of uh processing this in real time just like everybody, but I mean, I think it would make their secondary better. That is kind of the bottom line that I have there.

Okay. All right. Well, now that we've explored today's vocabulary, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll hear what Kevin Petulow said about the Eagles being in attack mode after that second half turnaround. So E.J. invites me over the other day.

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the word of the week was attack. He said that they wanted to be aggressive. We have the quote up here. He said, the word the past week, when I spoke to the offense was attack. We want to be in attack mode. And going into the game, that's what we wanted to do. The first drive was a good drive. We went into the four. We went for it on fourth down. We threw it at the goal line in the red zone. So we were in attack mode. We got stuck in those weird situations we just couldn't get out of. He was talking about backed up situations there and basically said that that kind of

stalled the momentum and maybe the philosophy going into the game. One thing that's interesting to me there is him specifically calling out throwing the ball in the red zone as part of being attack minded because we've talked about this in the past that relative to the rest of the league, the Eagles throw in the red zone much less often. Oftentimes because they're leading on the touch push. Now on that drive, they ended up scoring. because of the tush push, but I think it's interesting

that he calls that out. Yeah, I just think in general, he probably was mostly speaking about the contrast from the week before when they were very turnover, reverse and conservative in their play calling and their approach. I mean, Fran showed it.

Like, they did have shot plays dialed up in those first couple series. What? Well, I'm here with you and I hear you say shot plays and, you know, I have to, of course, it goes right to my mind. Shots, explosive. I don't think that chat knows about that.

Tell him. So one of like Bo and my original inside jokes was the Jonathan Gannon video when he got unveiled as the Cardinals head coach and he's talking to, who was it that he was talking to? That one. No, I don't think it was Hollywood. I think it might have been someone else. It was one of the receivers. Yeah.

And, you know, he's like, oh, there he is my guy. And he's like, I don't even know what he said at the first. And yeah, he went, he goes to the guy and he just goes, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. And the receivers looking at him like, what do you mean? He's like shots, explosives. And then there's Will Hernandez. Oh, big guard. I like it.

So, yeah, and I've got a, I don't know if I ever told you this, Jimmy Kemski's photo in my phone. Is Jonathan Gannon from the, like, how'd you get in this morning? Did you take the bus? I don't know why that's Jimmy's photo on my phone, but it is. So yeah, a little bit. I hope Jonathan Gannan is not. listening 16 minutes into the pod. He is.

He's wondering why he just caught a someone sent me a quote from Jonathan Gannon's press conference yesterday. Let me see if I can find it. It was very funny. Because, okay, here I have it. Here's the quote. He's talking about fundamentals.

He says he explained that it still comes down to fundamentals and also how the opposing defense played certain ways. And the quote here is, it's correctable. We just have to ASAP correct them. and the placing of ASAP there instead of correct them ASAP I mean that's that's an AI robot mistake there that is actually that is not human

I'm going the other way I think that's him like trying to be like relatable and like make it sound trendy you think that's him trying to go you fellow kids yeah that's him like using the word chat and using like we have ASAP correct them like ASAP correct them like he listens like ASAP Rocky yeah It's interesting. That's that is, that's a red flag. Yeah.

If we're snuffing out who we're not humans, that's a, that's a red flag. My predecessor's not going to be happy with this JG chat. I mean, I don't know. Friends around all the time. All right. Kevin Petulow. So, low foot to Tupu. What did you, do what do you make is that?

What did you make of the happy Tuesday? What did you make of him pointing to the backed up situations as a reason that they kind of got out of the plan going into the game? Yeah, Fran broke this down well on the piece, which you can read on all-P-Hly.com, if you are diehard. I actually don't think that that's unfair. I mean, I do think that their plan was to be aggressive in this game,

and they did pass on first down a little bit more in those three-in-ounce than they did a week ago. it is harder when the sample size is just four consecutive three and outs, right? I do think that that is like, I just, the one thing I'm thinking about with this is that Kevin Petulow and Nick Siriani, I think both have an instinct to be conservative when push comes to shove. Absolutely. Like, I think that I don't even think it's when push comes to shove.

Right. At any opportunity, yeah, where it's like you're in a backed up situation and you're in a instinct there is to go, okay, like we better, we better not risk it. We better not push the envelope here. And I do think that that does lead into the stuff that we heard from AJ and Jalen about like, we can't be scared to lose. Like they have enough talent where you still want them to force the issue in those instances. So I don't know, I just, I wonder how that's going to play out throughout the season when they, because there's always going to be a reason to be conservative, you know, and I think that's, that's probably going to be a trend this year. You know, he was talking about

the coward's draws on third and long situation. Yeah. He was like, well, they, you know, a lot of times you get drop-bate coverage there. And it's like, yeah, like, I understand that you point to that is a reason to be conservative, but it's like, I don't know. It's like you have enough talent that you, you saw the way that AJ Brown played. Like, you can just run a 12-yard stop route with that guy and he can break a tackle and break it off for an explosive flag. So, if I have all 40 yards downfield and you might get a pass interference.

Right. It's just like there are, it's, it's understandable in certain situations. But when it becomes a trend, I do think it's, it's just like, it's not aligned with an amount of talent. No. And it's to the same point we've made about, you know, when you say you punt on fourth down from midfield, you're doing it because you're trusting your defense. Well, no, actually trusting your defense would be being willing to get a short field. It's the same thing about, you know, you come out aggressive. And I'm not saying that they shouldn't run the ball.

Yeah. They need to run the ball better. Although actually they're running the ball pretty efficiently. It's just they haven't gotten the explosives. Yeah. Separate conversation. But yeah, trust your offense. And you know what?

If they do turn the ball over, that's part of trusting your defense is that you can trust that your defense is good enough to bail you out of those things just like they had a bunch of red zone stops last week. Yeah. I've been dying to use a soccer analogy. So can you indulge me on this Tuesday afternoon?

It's like, yeah, it's afternoon. Tuesday afternoon. It's like if you've got the best team in the league, you don't pack it in your own half and play a low block trying to keep, trying to avoid your team. Yeah, but you know what I mean? It's like if you are the best of the best team,

You want to take the game to teams. You don't want, yeah, you don't want to waste time. You don't want to, you know, you want to be progressive and expressive in the way that you play. I do think that that is like a decent analogy for the Eagles offense. They have enough talent where, you know, Kevin Petula talked about trying to force a couple extra possessions in the game. Like that should be the default setting for this team a lot of the time. So I understand like it's hard to argue when they've won as much as they have. But especially in this early going as we're kind of getting a feel for what this offense

looks like with Nick Siriani and Kevin Petullo as the the brain trust behind it. I do think that there is that tendency to, you know, try to control games and limit games in a way that I don't think really leans into the amount of talent that they have. I agree with that. Okay. What else did Mr. Petulow say? I wanted to get your thoughts on this. So he was talking about the run game and he said, I thought notably, that there's just not

enough space for Sequan to really create much. But he said that the Kansas. City touchdown, the 13-yard touchdown run on that outside zone. He said he was talking about the lack of explosives that the running game has had and he said like if that were from the 50 yard line that run, it would have been a 50-yard run.

Right, but they might have played it differently. That's my argument. It's like I feel like that is too circumstantial. They got to reshoot these guys' pictures, man. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, I didn't, I just didn't really take him at his word there. I feel like, you know,

a red zone run. Yeah, I mean, that was an explosive run by, I understand what he's saying. Yeah, I mean, it would have taken that to the house, but I don't think that they would have played it the same way. Yeah, I agree. It is weird. I mean, we talked about it with Fran,

but it's just like the interior of the ego's offensive line has gone from being like utterly elite to just like pretty good. And it has had a real ripple effect in the run game. And I, we have sort of talked around it a little bit, but Linda Dickerson is a real part of that. Yeah. Like, he's clearly playing through something. Yeah.

And the egos are better off with him on the field than not on the field. But he is not playing to the all pro level that we've seen from him have in the past. Yeah. I do like this comment from Conan C. Bo nailed it, Marino-esque offense. It is kind of Jose Marino. Is it like Diego Simioni a little bit too where it's like very like physically imposing? Yeah, like trying to like be the bad boys.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But that's just like, I don't know. I just, I don't think it really aligns with what they have. I agree with it. Yeah, especially with the run game the way it is.

The only other thing I wanted to get to from Petulow, well, I got, I got plenty if you want to get through it. But, um, course. He talked about like the unscouted looks, which is something I feel like we hear a lot about over the years. Nick brings us up all the time when it's just like, I don't know, every team's dealing with that, right? I do take them at their word that the amount of talent that they have does make it harder to predict what teams are doing to them. But I also find that to be like, I don't know. It's like you're also like you're the coaching staff. It's your job to figure out what kind of looks you're going to get.

And I mean, there are examples of them having good mid game adjustments. Like, you know, the one that Fran broke down where they're in an inverted cover two and they anticipated that and had the four verticals call to counter it. I did, I will be honest, I found it a little bit amusing. I'm like, oh man, I can't wait to see how the Eagles schemed up Dallas got her. It's literally just four verticals. I texted Fran. I was like,

Francis is probably carving people up on Madden with this route concept that finally unlocked the Eagles offense. But no, I do think like their in-game adjustments have been solid and that's been part of the reason they're 3 and O. But I don't know. The unscouted looks thing, I'm not really sure what to make of it

because it is like, again, it's something that most teams probably deal with and it's also like something that you should probably be able to navigate as a coaching staff. What about Gielin? What did he say about Jalen?

Um, not anything. Oh, well, see, he did talk about the exchange with Jalen on the sideline. Okay. Um, he said it wasn't really about anything that was a heated moment. I think it was just a play that had happened. I don't even remember to be honest what we were talking about. That's kind of been made a big deal, but it wasn't anything that was a serious matter or anything. Um, I'll be honest. Yeah. I, I don't put a lot of stock into like sideline exchanges like that. Um, I also saw, well, Nick was asked if Jalen Hertz is calling plays in the second half. half of the game. I don't put much stock into speculation about that either. So yeah. Okay. Do you want to get into Vic or do you want to go to break? Um, let's see. Let's see what

else I have from me from Petulow here. That was the end of Batula. I thought you had shot your Petulah Wad. Julia. I mean, what do you mean, Julia? Listen, Julia is very much a part of of the Tuesday loopies, okay? Yeah, that is true. I mean, listen, I try to keep it on the rails. That was not a Julia, though. That was you. You got to take accountability there.

Why? I mean, that's just a ridiculous thing to say. I didn't say load. You didn't say load. I think load would be worse or load be better. No, it would not have been better. That would not have been better. No, Watt is worse than load, in my opinion.

No. We don't have to get into the cement. Are you kidding me? We can't do this. We can't do. You're absolutely wrong about that. Are you kidding me? Chat, back us up here.

Lone is not better than Wad? I think it is. No, we're not going to be. I think that one of those words can be more applicable to other things in life. I mean, everybody, you're absolutely wrong about that. I mean. Way more lewd. Chats against me on this one.

Yeah. All right. Back to Kevin Batulow. He said that they have played three different ways and won three different ways and had to make adjustments in three different ways. And that's good for the offense in the long term. I take him out his word there. I tend to agree. Okay.

No? I agree with you. Not about the load thing. would have been mature that it was TV 14. Kevin Petulode. Kevin Petulode, that is good. That is good. All right.

I think we should go to break. Well, you know what? We're going to get to BG on the other side of the break. So let's actually talk about Vic Fangio. You're going to go back today. Because I know this was not the most explosive of Vic Press conferences. Not as many newsy things for Vic. I think it's probably the nature of the defense is not.

is not under as much scrutiny. But I did find his comments on Keely Ringgo. I agree with this. This is the thing that made my ears perk up as well. Yeah. So he said he has told Keely recently, not in the last few days, but since the end of training camp, that he's going to get his opportunity at some point. He's got to be ready.

And then he went on to say, I think he's handled it very well, losing the job in training camp. It hasn't affected his role as a special teamer. He's one of the top ones in the league. I think he knows that eventually he'll get a shot for some reason. he'll be ready. And so he thinks he'll be ready. Yeah. I actually, like I'm going full, uh, this is like you, you buy the stock at different points. Like I think, I think you were way over your skis on Kili Ringo. I've never sold it. I've never sold the Kili Ringo stock.

Well, that's the problem is that, so you, you bought it at a high value. It's going to be tough for you to gain that back. So you're buying all that. You're buying low. I, I am willing to buy Keeley Ringo now when the stock is low. I think he'll be fine if he gets thrown in there. I don't think he'll be like the, you know, the mistackle against Jemar Chase from the preseason game, you know, when he gives up like, like, I don't think you're going to see that. And I would like to see Keeley Ringo in this defense. I would like to give him a chance. Yeah. And I don't think, I think that we, I agree with Vic Fanger that we will see that at some point. Yeah, I don't know if I'm as bullish on him being fine based off the way training camp went for him. Not the, not the Jemar

Chase thing. That, that to me, you throw that out. It's a tough matchup in the preseason. And I mean, the call, Vic was literally testing him to see if he can handle it. So that one doesn't matter to me as much, but he just had such a chaotic training camp. Like, I don't know. I guess in camp and practice, he also had tough matchups, but I just, I think that his upside is still there. I don't think that this is the end of the Keeley-Ringo story. Like, I think he could be a really good corner in the NFL still. I just, I don't know if he got thrown into it, I'm not as confident as you that it would just be seamless. Then why having you sold your stock?

Because I just said, I still think he could be a really good corner in the NFL. Could he be like an Isaiah Rogers type player one day? Sure. The best game of a defensive player in like years. I thought about texting day and is. Like this was my moment to be like, I told you they should assign Isaiah Rogers instead of Dallas Gouter.

Maybe you're not alone on that take when it comes to people who are close to the team. Hmm. A little tea. for you. Little teasy tease. And then what did he say about the safeties? I know you see.

Yeah, he basically acknowledged the fact that he does not usually rotate safeties the way that he's currently doing with Andrew McCuba and Sidney Brown. I asked him if, like, in an ideal world, it would just be the one. I assumed that would be the case. But he said like not, ideal is probably not the word for it. But yeah, like I think eventually

they want to settle in on having just one of those guys take those snaps. It is interesting though, because like Sydney Brown does fit the basic defense better and Andrew McCuba does fit nickel better. Like it is, I understand how they got there and it wouldn't like, I don't know. If you told me that McCuba was the base, that was a safety in base, I think you might lose something there with what you get from Sydney Brown.

But that that presupposes that every other offense is going to be as basic as running the ball in 12 and passing the ball on 11. Like, you know, there are going to be teams against which you want McCuba on the field in Yeah, but I don't think the Eagles are as like reactive. I think it's more about like, I think that their base defense usage is less about personnel grouping sometimes as it is about like what they need to get done. Do you think Vic Fangio is ticklish? He doesn't strike me as a ticklish type.

No. It would be funny if he was though. Like like I could truly take saying like ticklish is a mindset. That's very good. Yeah, I'm not sure I don't disagree with him on that. Okay. You know, do you have a spot where you're particularly ticklish? That doesn't have to be untoward. It's just a weird question to ask me. It's a strange thing to ask me.

Yes, I'm not disclosing where that is. I'm going to get, I get one guess. You get one guess. It's so weird to have this guy like, looking me in my eyes, trying to figure out where I'm ticklish. No, and most people are more ticklish in, you know, the neck or the armpit or the feet or whatever it is. I think you're a neck man No No no

That's your one guess Okay Julia gets a guess though Fine Julie gets a guess Ooh The most excited In Julie's been about the show Lower back

No That would I bet you're a feet guy No No Very much no On all counts with that Can't be spread

Rubes about me I could do a lot of things With those feet No Time to go to break down to go to break. On the other side, we're going to hear from Brandon Graham from the set of the Unblocked podcast.

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Tap, ticket, go. Download the Game Time app today. We're back on the PHLY Eagles podcast from the set of the Unblocked podcast with Brandon Graham. It is Brandon Graham and BG. We talked a lot about the game. coming up, the people will be able to watch on this week's episode. But I want to ask you specifically about Zach Bond. Yeah.

Because he has had an awesome start to the season, picking up just where he left off. What was your experience of, like, seeing him come in last year as a guy who hadn't played linebacker before and came in and made such an impact? Man, it was cool to see him come in. He had a chip on his shoulder. But he really thought he was going to be at the D-Line spot with us. And I thought he was, too. Right. But Vic had other plans for him.

And I'm so happy he did because Zach Bond, that position looks so natural for him. He went out there and he just was, man, he's perfect because he already know how to handle offensive alignment. He's fast. He's somebody who's elusive, somebody that can put moves on the offensive alignment too. And so when you got that as a linebacker, knowing how to get off blocks and stuff like that and knowing how to maneuver through the line, man, that's all it is is now is trusting yourself and going. And that's what I felt like he's done. He's trusting himself.

And now he's just hitting the holes and creating turnovers, reading what he see. Do you remember your reaction when it turned out that he was going to be a linebacker? And you're like, you're like, Vic wants him to do what? You know what? I didn't really say, I just was like, let's see how I play out. And I know that he was, he would always still come with us, come down there and do pass rush sometimes. But it was just for like one or two plays. And then he'd go back to the linebacker stuff.

But yeah, Vic already had everything in mind already. It's crazy. You would think that that position, more than any other position on defense, you would need experience. And for him to just get thrown in right away and have been as good. I mean, he's been one of the two best linebackers in football over the past two years. He has. He has. And that's why I'm happy for him because he has really worked his butt off every day,

stuff that you don't see. Then go out there. He stayed healthy all year last year. and man he's somebody you can count on and that's really that's all you really want from any player how about his growth as I guess a leader in that room which I'm sure happened over the course of last season he's talked about he's he's not super comfortable

being like a vocal rah-rah guy more of a lead by example guy but you know he's a captain now this is this is all come what have you seen from him on that front well I've seen he's still the same still the same he's going to grow growing to that because I was a lead by example guy and then you started, people want to hear from you. And he's going to have his moments where he got to not back down when they say, hey, Zach, break it down.

I mean, he don't never break it. He don't never back down, but you know what I mean? You got to do that more than he don't do it. Breaking it down, Senula, whatever comes to mind or comes to your heart. And then, you know, it's something quick and easy. You can be that type of guy. Because like I told you, Derek Barnett, he was that type of guy where he just, hey, Eagles on 3.

one, two, three years, you know, because you know what you're going to get with him. Right. And I can see, Zach Baum, even if you do that, that's you. People can make jokes about it later, but I just want you to be you and play it, do it the way you do it. Do you remember a time in your career where you had to think, okay, now I am one of the leaders? Like, did you have to change anything about the way that you went up? The first year I got captain. Okay.

2017. Okay. That was where I started to feel comfortable. Good year. That was a real good year to start. But that's when I, no, you know what, 2016. Okay. Doug's first year.

Doug's first year. But that's where I felt like I was back to what I knew, the four, three. Yeah. I was in my comfort a little bit with Swartz because I've been with him before. And it was just everything that I've learned in the beginning of my career came right back for me. And that's where I felt the most comfortable. And that's when I started to talk a little more because I was more confident. And what came with that in terms of,

like bringing young guys along and stuff like that? Just working every day, them trusting you by how you work. Then you can back your words up. Well, I will always talk, but... Listen, we got here early this morning. This is the end of our shoot. This is the real magic that you want to see here. Oh, my goodness. Oh, man.

That one. That's how I feel. I couldn't fall asleep last night. You know what's crazy? I've been like... talking and getting it in as they were going, but that one, that one just was like, no, you're going to take your time with this one.

Because, you know, sometimes you can be. You got to get the good one out, yeah. And be talking to still. And that one right there, I couldn't fight it. I couldn't fight it. Did you stay up for the game last night? I did. I did.

That's why I'm, uh, and then I had to get up at 6.30. Oh. This morning. Oh, so you didn't do the 5 o'clock bike ride this morning. No, not today. I, I slept through that alarm, even though it went on. But I'm about still go get.

my work out. Hold on. Tell me, I want to know, like, alarm usage for you. You just use the regular Apple app. Yeah, it's regular. You said one, you said, you said, is it just the vibrate? Is it the sound? What do you got? That's the sound. Even though wifey don't like it. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. You can't be waking her up. It's the old school one, too. There's nothing new. No song. And you're waking her up too? Waking her up too. But this morning, we both woke, I woke up to her first. Okay. Because, I don't know, mine just didn't go on. You turned yours off?

Yeah, mine must have... Oh, yeah, must have just not gone off. Yeah. But I know. Or I slept through it. Damn. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I slept through that one.

I went for today, you know, I'm getting up earlier than normal for the show. I go, if it's that situation and, you know, we got the baby in the room still. And my wife, I'm trying, it can't be loud. So I go, the vibrate only, but I set one at, like, six. and then one at like 604. So they're like two ones back to back. Yeah. One of them's going to wake me up.

One of them. But man, no vibration is going to wake me up. It's going to tell you, get up, get up, get up. Because I sleep hard. But I'm in rhythm now. Like, not that my body clock is been like five. I still wake up around like sometimes 3 30. Got this car alarm outside right now.

Yeah. That'll wake you up. That'll wake you up. That'll wake you up for real. All right. last football thing I want to ask you. Just we've been talking about on the show this week, we talked about the

difficulty of setting the edge against the Sean McVeigh offense. But just in general, how important is which might go unseen the defense events setting the edge to just general run defense, which the Eagles have been not quite as good as last year at so far. Well, it's always

good to set the edge because you want to make sure that they don't see something because all your guys is in the middle. Most of your guys, Especially as defensive end, all you got is corners outside. And most of the time they got receivers right in front of them. That's going to end up getting in their way to try to, you know, get after the ball. So for me, I got to make sure the ball cuts back inside where the linebackers and safeties can get to them and the other interior alignment.

But everybody has a job and we all got to be cohesive and how we do things out there. And so if they trust me to set the edge and get them to cut back, I'm trusting that they're going to be in the gap. to be able to get it just discipline? Is it just make sure that you stay on the outside and you don't get sucked in by stuff? What is the technique that goes into it beyond? Well, sometimes it's how stronger are you? Sometimes it is technique based off what they ask you to do.

You might be a dropping linebacker. You might be a dropping outside linebacker, but you still on the end making it seem like you're coming. But it might be a run play that they're coming at you and you still got past responsibilities. And so sometimes they can play action in you, and you're like, oh, I got to, and then that's when you got to run and turn around.

But when you, when you're dropping, you got to still make sure you set the edge because people still count on you even though you got past responsibility. And so that's where it gets tricky. It gets tricky a little bit, but you got to make sure that you are paying attention to what's going on.

Like, I'm paying attention to my tackle because I know he can't be downfield if it's a past. So you can tell by sometimes the angle that they take to get you like a lane. Lane is real good with making it look like he's coming down and then it's play action. And then now I got to hurry up and find my guy and turn around and run. There's so much they're going to it.

But you got to make sure that you know your, no tendencies. And then you got to know how they are approaching, like how, how the offense alignment is coming at you. Yeah, man, that can get you, that can get you got real fast. All right. That's all we got. Check out the whole episode

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I like that. But we should, you know what? It is an appropriate thing to do today. We joke a lot on the show. But we do love people. So what, that's true. We do. from the bottom of our hearts. It's a big day.

When you release a book, that's a big deal. Congratulations. Congratulations to our friend. Everybody should go out and buy this. Lots of good stuff in there. Congratulations to Bjorn Borg on the release of his memoir. Heartbeats,

which you can get anywhere. Our good friend, Bjorn. My guy. And I know he's watching. So I want him to feel love. I'm so many. you or now because I saw you looking at books on your laptop earlier in the show and I'm like

what is he looking at and now I realize you did all of that for the bed oh my god it's a great cover there's stuff in the here you won't get anywhere else oh man shout out to zag shout out to bjorn borg i'm gonna you know what i'm doing it i'm outing you me and beau and julia and my julia all saw each other last week at a certain book launch party. Well, I just happened to do there. I left immediately when I found out what was going on. Just going to get a suit. Who did leave really quickly?

You last very fast. Yeah, I had a 90-minute commute back home. He was there, though, and I need you to know that Naya is not a fan of you. Naya, compia. Yeah, I know. She was mean mugging me, and I was talking to her, and I'm like, you know that this is all Beau's fault. And she's like, yeah, you're right.

Yeah. And listen, I told you, I'm happy to get on you for anything. Even I, even I can't get on you there. I mean, you got to do whatever you can to get out of that conversation unscathed. He was like, I really like to you. It's such a shame that you're terrible now. Pain. Yeah.

I bought four copies of Zeeb's book. And now I've got three that are spoken for. One of them is for me. But now I've got one up for grabs. Okay. Well, let's let's let's let's. raffle off an edition of Heartbreak by Bjorn Borg to somebody in chat. We can we can we can we can raffle off that book and then my fourth book how about that

figure it out it's signed and everything not by Bjorn it'd be impressive if you get it signed by Bjorn too and I'm I'll forge it I don't care if you got motion Borgy! Polar Jam I will sign your copy of leapier if you you actually want that. What did Michael Clay say? He talked a lot about the the knuckle balls, Joshua Cardi.

That was most of what his press conference was part of the broadcast on Sunday was, I know what he was going for. Joe Davis, he's a baseball guy, okay, he tries to bring this back. And I think Olson said, you know, they're kicking knuckle balls here.

It's like Tim Wakefield out there and a beat hits. And Joe Davis, He's trying to bring it full circle. I appreciate this. It's a good effort. But he says, the Eagles need their Jason Veritek out there.

E.J. The whole thing with Jason Veritech was that he couldn't catch the knuckleball. They had to trade to get Doug Mirabelle back just because the Wakefield couldn't catch it. He famously couldn't catch the knuckleball. We got to land that plane. Eagles needed Doug Mirabelle.

Jason Verde. posing naked in front of the mirrorbelly. I was going to say, oh, I do remember this guy. Okay, I needed to see his face. I remember Jason very good. Big deal. We got to get, we got to nail that. I mean, they don't, I mean, they don't have to.

They have to. Otherwise, they'll be held to account in our podcast. Yes. Okay. All right. But yeah, he mostly talked about that. He talked about how like him, Jake Elliott and Brayden Man were like watching the film to like see how Joshua Cardi like makes contact with them. Oh, interesting.

To try and study it. think more so that they can give those returners a better look in practice. Okay, then doing it themselves. But I do, I mean, if he's got the skill, why wouldn't you utilize it? Here's my question. I forget who posed this, but it's a good little theory. Do you think there's any chance that the focus on the kickoffs for Cardi and like that specific kicking style? I did think about it.

Has affected his field goal kicking, like that's your directory of that at all? It just, the thing I thought about was like, It feels very Sean McVey to have a kicker that's like nailing the kickoffs. Right. But then messes up two field goals that loses you the game. Right. Like doesn't that just feel like a very like Sean McVey like always looking for the edge, always try. And it's like meanwhile, the Eagles will just kill you with the fundamentals instead of like the cutsy gimmick of like look at look at how he can kick this knuckleball.

I don't know that I believe. I look at pretty sad. He's pretty good. Especially the second one. I mean, there's no, there was no trajectory where Jordan Davis wasn't blocking that punch. Yeah, because he had just not so much penetration. Yeah. No, I looked up Cardi's stats because I had the same thought as you,

and his stats are solid. So I think that he is, I think he was a six-round pick. So I think he's just a solid kicker who can do a few. I'm sorry. Like, draft status has absolutely no correlation to how good a kicker is. I mean, it speaks to probably has an inverse correlation. I feel like it at least speaks to like physical traits. I'm not, I'm not married on this.

Please don't, uh, please don't nail me. I'm going to give you an opportunity to just. bail on this one right now. Yeah, I'm out. I'm opting out of this opinion on kicker draft pedigree. I do want to know what Fran has to say about it, though. Not for my own argument here. I didn't coin this.

No, there's nothing. There are very few things you can do dumber from a... Than drafting a kicker, yes. We'll ask Fran about this before swoop around Thursday. I feel pretty confident that Fran agrees. Again, I'm not... I'm not married to this take. Okay.

This is good Fran Bait, though, because, you know, sometimes he's watching the show and he's in the chat so he might he might hop in here i remember what it was like to be like have the show on like be doing stuff around the house and you hear your name and it's like a jump scare um so i'm trying to hey bjorn we know you're listening i'm trying to think who i could like try and jump scare right now borgorgorgorgie bourgie and bess i mean julia oh don taasic he knows i mean the He knows. The knowing nod there as if you just killed it when none of us has ever heard of that person.

He's almost 90% listening. And if he's not listening now, he will listen. And that'll be the jump, the jump scare for him. I'm not even going to tell people who he is. He knows. Well, then there's no way for us to know. You can just be making somebody up. No, I promise I'm not making him up.

And they don't know. Don Tahassik? Yeah. Do you know who it is? Is it Don Tahassick or Danta Hasick? It's Tomtahac. It's gay ball. All right, Danta, well, you'll never know.

Shout out to you. Fran Bates. Oh, man. Did he say anything about the blocks? Not as much as you would think. He talked about the fact that those guys really care in special teams meetings and that they put a lot of detail into it. but no not too much about like the schematics of it doesn't want to give anything away

I mean it was pretty much it seems like it was as simple as they found the the weak guy and just double loaded him yeah as Jeff Nyberg put it in his piece my former colleague Jeff Nyberg the one of you respect I respect both of the Jeffs I used to work with I have a lot of respect but not the Olivia's yeah you know I did lose a little respect stole the dog house I got Cliff that hurt I like Lori Reiner shout out to Lori. Shout out to Lori.

She's probably listening to. You went to, where did you go? Sephora. That's right. Sephora in Tampa. Maybe I'll go back. Is it a good Sephora? Does it stack up?

It's pretty good. That's the burns of Sephora's. I like Tampa more than most people. It's a great food city. I'm a Tampa, a fan of Tampa. Tampa's fine. Got decent restaurants. It is hot down there, though.

Every time we're down. Everywhere has decent restaurants. Yeah, but that's the point of the, it's a good food city, is you can find good restaurants pretty much anywhere. Yeah, you're doing a bad job. Good restaurants in Cincinnati I've been to.

Yeah. There's no shade to Cincinnati, of course. Shade taken. All right, here's a couple of quizzes for you. Okay. See if you can see how well you know this Eagles team through three weeks relative to the rest of the league. Where do you think the Eagles offense ranks

in play action percentage on offense? All of this is all of this is courtesy of true media. I'm going to guess they rank 25th. 32nd. Yeah. Dead last.

9.3%. Now that is percentage of all players. So the fact that they are run heavy to begin with brings that down a little bit. I think if you narrow it just to dropbacks,

they're like 28th or something like that. Okay. But that does feel they're not running. I need to be more aggressive with these. Where do you think they rank in percentage of 11 personnel on offense? Ooh.

But a little bit more in this last. game did not is surprisingly with Dallas got her back did not leave 12 no actually 18th really 18 61 I guess there are some of these like grifter 12 and 13 personnel teams out there this one is less this is a difficult one I'm not even gonna ask it actually it's under center but it's so weighted by the push push okay so what it's not that first thing they're 23rd in under center percentage but it would be much lower okay if you took out the touch

Wait, so, yeah, okay. Fair. Time to throw. Where do you think the Eagles' offense ranks and how long Jalen Hertz is getting rid of the ball? So, like, the longest would be 32nd? Correct. They probably have ranked in the 30s most years,

maybe like low 20s. I'm going to guess 27th. Ooh, very close. 29th. Okay. 3.1.6 seconds. Jalen 316 says, I'm going to hold it on to the ball. That never bothers.

me the time to throw stuff. I think the, uh, the expected completion percentage bothers me at times. The lack of, uh, like the, the non-target dropbacks. I think, I think those are symptoms of like an a rhythmic passing game that we've seen from the Eagles before. The time to throw thing, it's like he's going to extend plays. Like that's part of what makes him so good. I agree. Yeah. Uh, how about the percentage of plays of offense that they're getting blitzed? percentage of dropbacks that they're getting blitzed. Okay, so one would be like 100% correctly, okay.

So how often are they getting blitzed relative to the rest of the league? I bet you they're like third. Close or fifth. Okay. 35.8% of the dropbacks. Kevin Petulah talked about that. He said that pressure is up across the league,

but it's something that he expects they'll continue to seem a lot of. One more on offense, two more on offense for you. Rush success rate now. This is interesting because this does, keep in mind, this includes the tush push. Okay.

So where do the Eagles, rank in rushing success rate on offense. I know that they were pretty good in week two in terms of success rate. I'm going to guess it's better than I think it is. I'm going to go like 13th. Interesting guess. We'll find out the answer to where the Eagles rank

in rush success rate, E.J. Hit in Bolvertime. I don't like the gutterol. Like, Bovirtime. I don't like that one. They rank fifth. Okay.

The push is definitely skewing that. Tush push is skewing that, but that's higher than they were last year. They were ninth last year. And if you filter it out to just running back runs, where do you think they rank? Well, now that you said fifth, now I'm wondering if they're like ninth.

They're 14th in running back. So that's about where I had them originally. Which is about where you had them 40%. But this is interesting to me. Last year, they were 20th in running back run success rate. So it really does tell the story that it was the big place. Yeah. It was the explosives from.

Sequin Berkeley and this year they have been a little bit more efficient on a per play basis. They're just not popping. So is there an argument to be made that the play calling has contributed to the lack of explosive place like, you know, Kellyn Moore? I think that's a fair... More willing to stick with it. Oh, I don't even think that it's, to me it's not that they're willing to stick with it. To me, it's if you are not making them respect the past enough.

Hmm, okay. I like that. Then you're not opening it up space-wise for the longer runs. Yeah, no, that's a good point. But it's also, it has been three games. There probably is a certain level of patience to stick with the running game, even if it's not working for you. Because, you know, we talk a lot about the times last season where there were a lot of three-and-ounce or the offense would look terrible for a quarter or two.

Setting up those runs as part of that. You know, being patient and accepting the fact that you might have a three-and-out, chasing a big run is definitely part of that equation. Last one, one on defense for you. Where do you think the Eagles defense ranks in defensive success rate against the run? Hmm. They haven't been great against the run this year.

They ranked ninth last season at 63%. 21st. 30th. Ooh, even worse than I think. 30th at just right around 50%. So that is one where that's something that they really do need to improve. I wonder if they're gonna

going to start playing more base. It's kind of their best 11 anyway. Yeah. Oh, I don't know if I agree it's their best 11. You don't think it's their best 11? No. You think the

I, Jackson. Well, I think the Maccuba for a city brown swap is important. Yeah, but Maccuba could play in their base package. He could. Yeah. Yes. I kind of, I think you're getting,

you know, you get that third defensive tackle on, which is nice. Mm-hmm. And you get Cooper de Jean on the field. Yeah, I feel like that is a best. I just, I don't think it's, I don't think it's worth. playing that against 11?

I agree, but if... We saw it a couple times in this last game. Yeah, they played it against 11 a little bit more than usual. If one of Andrew McCuba or Jahad Campbell really becomes like, I'm trying to think of not a non-profane word to use for this, like a difference maker, a pain for opposing offenses, you could tell, you could talk me into base being their best package. I mean, we're not there yet. That is definitely a stretch.

But like if Makuba starts to be like the type of safety that like you could match up with a tight end or Jahad Kamel can sort of do some of those coverage responsibilities Might be I'm I think I'm kind of just like it would be fun to see like the Eagles become like this base heavy team that was really really good out of it But I do think that you could make a real argument that their best 11 is in base right now Okay I'm not sure I agree but I at least you're coming from somewhere yeah I'm usually coming from somewhere It's just a matter if it's a good place or not. Where do you fall on, Peckness, migrate,

Yvonne Lendell, John McEnroebue, Burenne, Borg. Let's get, you know what, let's toss out McEnroe because I don't want you to get too American. Let's go. Borg, Yvonne Lendell, and Matt Veeleander. I got nothing for you right now, man. I'm sorry.

I was excited to do a Peckness migrate, but those three, I couldn't tell you a thing about any of them. All right. I'll give a different peckness migrate. Peckness, migrate. Okay, this will be a good test of how

well you went around the room on Friday. Okay. The peckness migrate. Matt Berman, Alex Berman, Nick Berman. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to migrate any of the Berman brothers.

I did meet them, but if you made me pick them out of a lineup, that's hard. after one meeting. Listen, some people know enough to have a monic in their head to remember. I'm going to nest all of them because they're great. You failed. You failed your first peckness migrate.

Respect to the Berman Bros. They do all like, they don't look, they don't look like identical. They look different, but they also look the same. If you know what I mean? It's like, it's kind of weird. It's just like trippy to see them. Like they're all like variations of Zach. I guess that's how siblings work.

but it is weird to see it. They don't, well, here, let me try to explain it better. Like, my niece and my nephew, they just look like each other. Like, you know, the Apple Face recognition, it'll mistake the two of them because they just look that much like each other. Like, it's like, you know, there's similarities in like a common theme

in how they look. The Berman brothers don't really have that. You know what I mean? Like, they don't look identical, but you can tell that they're brothers. It's weird. You're not helping me here at all. I'm just letting you.

You dig, my man. I'm not digging. What do you mean? It's a compliment. How's it not a compliment? It's not mean to say that they look like each other. No. Just kind of funny.

I mean, listen, as someone who is constantly been told that I look exactly like my sister. And like my favorite thing I get is, oh, wow, you look so much like your mom and your dad. It's like, well, yeah. So, no. I'm not hitting with that. Like they don't look identical, but you can tell there's something there with all of them. Yeah.

Today's a big day for your sister. Is that right? It's not her birthday, but we're celebrating her birthday today. Oh, man. Mr. Oh, I got to get out of here after the show today because it's my sister's birthday. I'm just trying to be a good sibling, you know?

Yeah, but it's not even her actual birthday. You're a liar. Well, she was busy on her birthday, and so was I. So we're going for dinner tonight. Did you get a recommendation from, somebody who lives out of town? No, we are chain people, so we're going to King of Prussia.

Nice. And we're just going to like, it's a place by the mall. It's gonna be fine. Okay. Yeah. I'm not a big restaurant, like,

like the art of restaurants. Not my, not my bag. I'm weird about other things, but not like fine cuisine. What are you weird about? Coffee. Weird about coffee.

I'm weird about steak. That's why we love Omaha steak so much. cook it though, not out of an art of a restaurant. I don't like to get steak at a restaurant because I feel like the way I cook it at home is the way I like to cook it. Medium rare, by the way, somebody asked that in the chat. Always medium rare. But now, the like the fine dining experience, I'm just as happy at like Magiados. Okay.

That's fine. I'm not going to yuck your yum. I mean, you literally do that all the time. I think I call you out consistently I have to call you out oh here we go great so what I do now

Vinny mentioned Malibu's Most Wanted on the post game podcast and you were like yeah yeah I don't really remember that movie you totally have not seen Malibu's Most Wanted you were just trying to be cool I certainly don't remember ever having seen that movie but that's really

I feel like I probably did see that movie and I just don't remember it What year were you born? 86. Malibu's Most Wanted came out in 2003. What's your excuse? I, what do you mean? You're talking about culture.

You're all this culture. Malpush's most wanted is more culture than Zoolander. I did watch Zoolander. It is not. What do you mean? It's not more culture than Zoolander. Zoolander doesn't appeal to like a mass audience the way that Malibu's most wanted. It crosses.

What are you talking about? It transcends. Culture is about what is like broken through the zeitgeist. I think that it was absolutely. a bigger part of... Depends on what zeitgeist you're talking about. Malibuizmos when it did get 31% on Rotten Tomatoes, but it was a funny movie. I like that movie.

Don't be hating. I did listen to Limp Biscuit in the movie Zoolander. Oh, is it in Zoolander? Yeah, the Relax song. I thought that's why you want me to watch it. I don't think those two were related in my mind at all. That's not the relax. The relax song is not Limp Biscuit. I could have sworn it was.

Limp Biscuit, Zoolander. Oh, we're going to get an A-I-over-view. Yeah. Fred Durs is in Zoolander. But that's the relax song is not Limp Biscuit. All right, I'll take your word on that. But Fred Durs is in Zoolander. Did you know that?

Is that why you wanted me to watch? No, I did not know. I did not remember that. I'd give Zoolander like a B-minus. Well, maybe a B. I would imagine that Zoolander, like, if it was not part of your high school, or middle school upbringing that it would not hit all these years later. Yeah, I'm surprised you would even give it to be a mind.

I like at the end when the baby makes the face. That was good. Oh, that's what you liked. Oh, that was pretty good. Let's get it again. It was pretty good. The baby's face. I don't have any comment on my own face.

I think you did a great job there. I appreciate that. I lost the nostril flaring competition, so I needed to redeem myself. Yeah. All right. Really a tour to force of a show today. These Tuesdays are just fantastic. Loving the Tuesday.

I try to keep it on the rails, but I got a text from Don to Hasick. Really? I like him being like a mysterious thing. He couldn't get in the chat? Oh. Oh. And we got, we got clarification on. whether it's Don or Donta. Any relation to Don Smolensky?

No. A relation to Dominic Haschik. No. He has a relation to somebody, but that's all I'm going to say. I like to leave him as a mysterious figure. Now it's kind of fun. Okay.

I have my guesses. Yeah. You've been bad at guessing today. Are you going to reveal where you're ticklish? No. You guess and you guessed wrong. Tune in next Tuesday. All right.

That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O. White Eagles podcast back tomorrow. 2 o'clock. E.J. will be live at the NovaCare Complex. Jamie and Rich leading you through, but we'll also hear from Adam Hogue, our All-City NFL insider, talking ball with him. Back on Thursday, the three of us will go over Swoper. on on Friday we got the professor. So lots of good stuff coming this week. Don't miss episode three of Unblocked

with Brandon Graham on the BG Unblocked YouTube channel tomorrow at 11 o'clock. Thank you, Julia, once again. And we'll close by saying congratulations again on release day to our friend Bjorn Borg. We love you, wherever you are. And for all the rest of you, go buy it.

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