PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will Howie Roseman get LUCKY as Eagles’ draft plans change post-FA? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

With Riq Woolen in tow, Dallas Goedert locked up and A.J. Brown still here, how different do the Eagles’ priorities in the NFL Draft look now than we thought they might look a week ago? And what position is most likely for a rookie to make a major impact? Fran Duffy’s in studio to unpack while EJ Smith and Bo Wulf apologize profusely to the good people of Ireland. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Top of the afternoon, so you. And welcome to the P. H.L.Y. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by our friends at Ashley and Bet365, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, and E.J. Smith, we're here talking birds, lots to discuss. But we do need to begin the show today by apologizing profusely to the likes of Conan. and all of you our dear Irish sickos probably not the episode you're going to want to listen to but I do think

the Irish among you can appreciate Amman is only as good as his word and so drink up BJ how are you doing I'm doing well unlike you I haven't been practicing my Irish accent

it's going to be really tough for me today it's going to be all over twice Ron I think you're going to need a bit of a higher usage rate compared to EJ than in normal episodes I'm not going to be here for this whole episode I'm very disappointed in everybody at home 400 likes on that video

we better get 800 likes on this one I agree with you with for the next hour I agree with you I thought 400 likes would have been a lofty guy for our yours is so bad it's bringing me out of my own. Get used to it.

You can't complain about my accent for the next hour. It can't happen. I won't do it. All right. We do need to talk a little bit about some birds' news. We had the emergency podcast earlier.

Fran Marquise Hollywood Brown has landed in Philadelphia. We're also going to talk about the draft and the ways in which perhaps the Eagles' expectations have shifted in terms of their priorities after what's happened in the first week of free agency. But let's focus in on Marquis Hollywood Brown here first.

You've had about 90 minutes since we last talked, don't pack it. Any other thoughts? I thought it was 30. No, I think that to me, the way I look at this edition is you needed another player to put alongside Devante Smith and AJ Brown if AJ Brown was going to remain here in Philadelphia.

If AJ Brown does not remain in Philadelphia, if AJ Brown does not remain in Philadelphia, obviously you're going to need more help in that receiving core. I look at this the way, if you want to think to Eagles' offenses of years past, certainly the Quez Watkins of Yore, yeah. You can think of Quez Watkins and his impact as a field stretcher, right? I think of some of the other offenses where Sean Mannion and that tree have come from.

You think of the way that Sean McVeigh uses Tutu Atwell in that offense, where you're going to get a lot of the jet sweep action. you're going to get a lot of the horizontal stretch in that way, right? So you'll be able to do all the wide receiver screens, anything to try and keep defender stress out towards the sideline. And then you also have the vertical stretch element where it's those three-level stretch concepts where you're creating space underneath

in the intermediate area of the field for those deep crossers, for those deep digs. And so the way I look at, I think that the addition certainly makes sense. And now it's going to be a matter of, okay, what is the final picture of this receiving core? what does it finally look like by the time we get to training camp in July, and then we can kind of sort out this pecking order.

But I like the addition. I think it makes a lot of sense. You know, the price point makes sense. So, yeah, I like the addition overall. My expectations is that he won't be making that much money. I mean, up to 6.5, my guess is it's really more like three or something like that. I think your rating is correct there. All right.

You're writing? Rating. Rating? Rating. It's not going to change. All right. Let's spin it now to on the clock presented by our friends at Ashley, who no doubt are very excited about the way that today's episode is turning out.

Fran, the conceit of the question we want here is, how much do you think the expectations that we have had for what the Eagles priorities might be come the draft have changed based on the way? I can't even look at you. I have to look straight ahead the entire episode, I think. the first week or so of the league year has played out. So in other words, you know, no AJ Brown trade yet. Do you think that changes whether or not they push a wide receiver up the board?

What position do you think has changed the most? In terms of changed the most, I think where I kind of land is, obviously you're going to put pass rusher up a little bit further up in the pecking order. I think safety is certainly up in the pecking order, depending on how you view Michael Carter and, you know, the potential of a Cooper de Gene move up. But outside of that, I don't think I'm moving anything else up. I think I look at AJ Brown.

I don't feel any different now than I did three weeks ago in terms of his movement. I do think that it's probably more likely that he's not here than he is. But I honestly won't, I don't think I'm going to believe it until we get to training camp. Like, oh yeah, like he's here. And so to me, I look at wide receiver as certainly a big need. I look at past rusher. I look at safety. But long term, offensive line is such a huge.

So they've got four picks in the first two days, the first three rounds of the draft. Three of those first four, I would expect to be on the offensive side, whether you're talking tight end, wide receiver, offensive line, some kind of combination of those three positions. It does stand out that the Eagles have not targeted

any offensive linemen in free agency so far. They have touched on other positions, but on the offensive line, they are still relatively thin at swing tackle and on the interior of the offensive. line which maybe will make them prioritize that in the draft to me you've thrown me off so much i can stop if you want if you'd like me to stop i could stop i mean it's up to whether you're a man of your word or not um the the the biggest change for me as far as i'm concerned is now that

they've signed rig willing this idea that they might draft a corner early get out of it. I mean, no chance in the world. Yep. Right? I mean, I would be, I would be blown away. Yeah. You can't change your board, but that would be, that would be shocking. And I still, I remind thinking offense will be the priority, but I do think you're right. With Jalen Phillips gone,

you can understand why an edge in round one might actually make some sense. Yeah, and look, it's a really good safety class this year. And, you know, if you get to 23 overall, and, you know, And there was a huge run on tackles before, before your pick, and you don't love the receivers that are available.

Kenyon Sadiq is gone, but two of the top three safeties are still there, and they are like a tier ahead of everybody else. Would that shock me? Like, yeah, it would be a little spot, but I wouldn't say it's non-zero, you know, just because of the way that this draft could play out. It's a really interesting discussion point in this draft, league-wide, not just with the Eagles, but in terms of where the talent, where the top talent, it is, it is at the non-premium positions.

And so there's going to be a lot of those debates in all 32 rooms. You mentioned Sadiq, and I think we'll unpack this after the break, but you know, the way that the tight end positions played out for the Eagles this offseason, it feels a bit howie to make a move up for Sadiq. Well, it needs to make it. Well, we can talk about it. Yeah. I don't know if Thurner needs to.

We'll unpack it after. All right, that'll close the book on On the Clock presented by our friends. at Ashley. Ej. I'm curious. What did your wife think about the concede for today's episode and what you're going to have to do? She agreed with me that it was very disappointing that the sickos that I, that's really Australian, the sickos that I've defended in the past when you've ridiculed them for not liking the video, very Australian again. I just keep going back to Australian. There's no defending them now.

You say what they're capable of. They need to do better on a daily basis. The question has been posed in the chat, and I do think it's fair. Is there a number to make you stop doing the accent? A hundred likes on the video? No, no. It's got to be 400 again. No?

At the very least. It's got to be 400. No. I mean, if you're a man of your word, you're committed to the... 115 likes on this video. No. Can get me to stop? That's the number?

Listen. Like the great Brendan Gleason in Banshees of Ineshire and I think you're underestimating my commitment to the bit. That's your commitment. It's not my commitment. You are a weak. You are a weakling. Yes.

I agree. 115 likes on this video and I'll stop. Let's take a break. I think 400's the number. No. We need them. We need them risen up a bit. But we've got much to discuss here.

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I can't. I'm a man of my word. I can believe. Let's get to the superchats. Frank Barber coming in early says Bo Wolftone and E.J. Craigie mate Smith. Claire's in, says lads. You have made my whole week. Keep up the excellent accents. Cheers. No.

Slancho to that cheer. Claire. Bobby Myers says, I feel obligated to outbid to make the accent stop. It's up to you, but I'm over my dead butter. Kill a cow's in the chat. Says, what's up with Franz accent? Why you sound so different? And do you think Mr. Belvedere,

pulverizing his potatoes contributed to the famine? Frank Barber Steve Irwin is rolling in his grave over EJ's accent No arguments here And Musa Bo, how'd you feel about the King of England I think down with the King I think you know I feel

Lindsay like to get him in a room We get a poll on whether or not I can stop At 115 likes We already agreed that it's not 115 we said 400 We're not going to get You better, I mean, you're going to have to call everybody in your phone book. We're already at 10.

We're almost there. 10, yeah, I haven't refreshed. You've got no chance. All right. Keny and Sadiq, let's discuss this possibility because we know, ooh, Tower of Terror. Unique New York.

We know Howie Roseman loves a splash, loves an impact. There's a bit of, Sequin Barclay, to the way I feel about Kenyan Sadiq, as far as he's concerned, in terms of in a draft when there might not be high-end talent at the premium positions, as you've said, if this is the guy who can be an impact player at a non-premium position, do you think the Eagles would be interested in moving up, which it would probably require? The thing is that's really interesting about Kenyan Sadiq is that there are conflicting feelings on whether or not it would require a move up or not.

And this, you know, Daniel Jarmaya just dropped to his latest mock draft a little before we went to air. He has the Eagles passing on Kenyon, Sadiq, him falling to San Francisco. And that's not the first time that DJ has had him fall that far in the draft. Now, not everybody feels this way from an analyst standpoint, and even talking with people around the industry as well, you know, in the last few days. Like, a lot of the thought is he might not get past the L.A. Rams at 13, but the L.A. Rams have also been connected to players like Mackay Lemon.

It's like, oh, McCoy Lemon's not going to fall past the Rams of 13. Well, one of those guys is probably going to fall past the Rams at 13. So depending on who you believe, that may dictate whether or not Kenyon Sadiek, the tight end from Oregon is available for the Eagles. Because that's the other thing, too. When you look through the rest of the middle of the first round, there aren't a lot of like soft landing spots for Sadiq, where it's like, oh, yeah, like definitely pencil him in right here in this spot.

Now, I would have said the same thing last year about Colston Loveland going to the Chicago Bears. That was a little surprising, him going nine overall. They already paid Cole Commet. Hey, you know, they're probably okay. They don't need to spend that prime asset on that position, but they saw Colcomit as they saw Colston Loveland rather as that needle mover at the position, a guy who could be an X factor for them.

And so they make that call in the top 10. Now, could the same thing happen with Sadiq? I have a higher grade personally on Sadiq than I did to Colston Lleveland a year ago. Not everybody is going to say it the same way. But I think that when you look at Sadeek, to me, like if he's available, I think that's a no-brainer. Now, it'll go against, so what do you think, how do you compare his grade to some of the other offensive linemen?

I mentioned that DJ had the Eagles passing on Sadiq because he had them taking Caden Proctor at the left tackle from Alabama. So I would say that you absolutely could see them doing that. So yeah, I think it's a very interesting discussion over the next, what is it, five weeks, six weeks. If Proctor and Sadiq were there. What would you do if you were the Eagles? That was your best one yet.

115 like. I think it's fine. You should have kept your mouth shot. It's time. I have, all right, so I have a higher grade right now on Proctor, but it really is because of what Proctor's upside is. Yeah, I have Proctor. Procter right now is my 11th player.

Sadiq is my 13th player. But Proctor is a very volatile evaluation and projection because the ceiling is sky high. You don't have a lot of guys that are built the way that he is, that move the way that he... I mean, he is insanely powerful, a little bit raw as a pass protector still, but three-year starter at Alabama,

run game is phenomenal. Pass protection is a bit shaky. He's had weight issues in the past. He's been up near 400 pounds at certain times in his career, but again, like, you wouldn't know it necessarily by how he moves. So the physical tools are phenomenal, but there's obviously a little bit of boom-bust there. With Sadiq, you get the positional value aspect of it,

I feel great about the Eval with Kenyon Sadiq. So, you know, it's a, that would be a tough call. It does feel like Sadiq is sort of like the guy for Eagles fans in the draft this year, like the most interesting person. So there's a question in the chat. I'm curious about how does your grade for Sadiq compare it to, I know you've had him over Lovland, but Ty Warren last year, Al Pitz, Brock Bowers,

Of the past couple years, where does he sort of fit into that mold? I'm going to, uh, I know it's going to take no, yeah, give you a sec. I, I would have him. Brock Bowers is a great name. Brock Bowers. Pretty good. Power hour with rock powers. All right.

Let's say here. All right. And then I'll tell you what I'll go through. I'll go through the other teams and the teens to talk about whether or not. Yes. You do that. I'll be a comparison for, yep, for a tight end. Start at 10, Cincinnati.

Feels like really not. No. would be a bit of a stretch. They have to go of defense, yeah. Now, Miami at 11, I actually could see that. They can't, man, with all of the... They've got a lot, but like, you're just out of premium player.

Yeah. It's probably defense because they've got a defensive head coach. And also their GM comes from Green Bay, and they have historically not invested in pass catchers. They usually say, like, we can wait to invest in pass catcher. That's a good point. Dallas at 12? Um, I wouldn't completely rule them out.

Yeah. I think that is a definite possibility. I think that's on the table. Rams you've talked about Ravens at 14, haven't lost likely and Kohler. Yeah. End of the Andrews era. Yeah, it's a good one.

I think that's possible. Bucks at 15. They've just paid Kit Otton. That's not going to happen. Yeah, it's unlikely. Yep. Jets at 16. Bit of a luxury. Yeah, they just took Mason Taylor last year.

Lyons at 17. They've got Leporta. That doesn't make sense. No. Vikings have paid Hawkinson, but he's a bit older. Same that uses multiple tight ends. I could see the Vikings potentially. That's possible.

Panthers at 19. They've used pick equity on receivers. Yeah. But they don't have a tight hand. They don't have a needle moving tight end. They've taken young players in the last few years at the position that have come in and have played some good football for them, but no one certainly to Sadiq's caliber. Dallas again at 20.

You'd think maybe you'd want to, you'd get to 19 then maybe. Right. Right. Yeah. Berger at 21, you could sort of see it, but it's not their type. But do you think that the Eagles

are in a position to trade, to trade up picks? Like, with, they spend multiple picks to trade for a tight end? Probably not. I mean, I would say, almost did a different linebacker last year, too. I mean. And we would not have said,

oh, yeah, they're going to move up, you know, and to the 20s to select a linebacker. The two things that come to mind, I'm just going to go normal for me. I want to get the point. The two things that come to mind.

First thing is what you just said about the fact that they moved up for Jihad Campbell. or they were willing to move up even further for Jonathan Campbell than they did, which I think speaks to sometimes Howie Roseman doesn't feel like he has a full 32 first round-graded players in the first round, so you move up to make sure you get one. The second thing, maybe you feel like Kenyon-Sadik is the type of needle-moving player in a championship window that's worth leveraging future picks for.

Thank you. Sorry. I'm sorry. the fact they've got three day two picks a two and two threes i think it's possible they'd move up yeah certainly using future capital certainly they'd part with a three right which maybe only gets you up two or three spots but i think that's possible sure i do agree though i mean for all the reasons we've talked about offensive lines still makes the most sense but this is it's sort of a splash that how it could make uh i had a I have a higher grade on Sadiq than I had on Pence on Tyler Warren and Colston Lovin from last year. I had a higher grade on Pitts.

I had a higher grade on Bowers. But that's it. In recent years, in the last several. And despite the fact that he ran this eye catching 40 and he's bill does an athletic marvel. Which he is, yep. You do believe he brings a lot to the table as a blockers. Yeah. And again, it would be the blocking in terms of like get a gump on the line back.

you know, pick off his safety at the second level. Like he tries to bury defenders, you know, when he's out in space, second and third level. He's not going to line up against defensive ends and you're going to run power behind him each and every play. Like he'd do it at times. But yeah, I enjoy him as a blocker. And he's not going to tip your hand.

If he's out there, oh, it's past, pass, pass. You can play with him. You can run with him on the field. Do you think the resources would make sense, E.J., given paying Dallas Carter to come back. I do. I do. Every tight end on the roster right now.

is on a one-year contract. Kenyon Sadiq is a long-term addition. I think it makes a lot of sense. All right, how many, how many targets are you putting on it? To move up? Just to draft him in general. Oh, to draft him? Uh, 30.

I was going to say 25. 33? I'm thinking. 33? 8? 8 or 9? 30. All right.

You're going to win then. 30. All right. I feel like a loser. There you go. I'm like Liverpool. What? Liverpool aren't lasers.

They say I sound scouts, which might be true. Liverpool. I'm totally lost. I just... I don't know where you're coming from. 150 likes is enough. Starting to think that might be right. Yes, we're almost there.

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All right, what your boys make of the, uh, the Jalen Wattel tried from an eagle's perspective. Did you, did you really think that, uh, both guys a j brown jelan waddle on the on the market you think that waddle gets

gets less than a j a j is a better player he's just a better player great yeah if we're playing a game tomorrow i'd rather have a jrown but i don't know i i think he's young is jillan he's younger he's younger j is about 16 months older more wear and tear like in terms of like three years from now yeah three years from now what are you getting yeah but a jay j is more of an impactful player than Waddle. I think there's a bit of a leverage issue as well. Teams know that... Sure, yeah. No question.

AJ Brown wants out. 150. Speed always plays. I can be normal again. No, we hit 150. That's all I need. You think Wala goes for more? Yeah, I don't know if...

A Waddle a year earlier, too, I believe. I think you're probably paying both regardless, right? You're probably the redoing contracts either way. AJ, I'm not sure you have to redo it. No. It's a pretty new deal. He's still toward the top of the market. Yeah. I think AJ, so it was basically the equivalent of what the 24th overall pick,

the Waddle trade. You get a 1, a 3, and then a fourth round pick swap. I think if you're the Eagles and you're asking prices of first and a second for AJ, yeah, you feel good about that Waddle compensation. I think AJ goes for a tick more than Waddle. Certainly not less than Waddle. Yeah, maybe. What do you, did you agree?

I think if you're Howie, don't accept less than Waddle. Right. It's not worth trading for any less than that. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, unless it's just an untenable situation. Yeah, and I just, I could be wrong.

I don't think it's like, again, I don't think that there's not a pathway back for AJ to play for the Eagles this year. And for that reason, yeah, if you're Howie, you're not taking less than Waddle just went for. That's actually why I've gone lower on my turkeys on like how much, like, I'm less. I probably am just slightly under being convinced that AJ is traded at this point. Because I'm not sure that they'll get that compensation. But again, the fact that the Broncos just paid it sets the market, I think in a way that's favorable for the Eagles. Yeah.

I mean, I do think that if you are the Eagles, like speaking from the Eagles end of it, it is unfortunate that another potential suitor is now off the market, with Denver making this deal. Yeah. And obviously Miami is not making that deal for you. So it's not like you're replacing one with the other. I just, I think, but I think I'd still be surprised if you were an eagle by the time I got to camp.

I think that's fair. Yeah. I mean, I think I put it at like 47 turkeys or something yesterday. That was me. You went over. You think he's going to be back. Yeah, you did. Yeah, but I was saying the inverse. What was I at? Like 54 that he's back. Something. Okay. So I was 46 that he's gone. I think you were higher than that's, but I don't remember. It feels like a long time ago. I mean, just the quality of that. The production, though, I mean, Yeah, it's not close. He's had only one year in his career better than AJ's worst season.

My guess is that... He's got a bad quarterback, I get, but like... Right, yeah. What are we talking about? AJ at his peak is one of the best three to five receivers in the NFL. No question. What's Waddle? Top 10, top 15, at his best.

I don't think he's ever been top of top. No, I'm saying when he's like at his best. Right. Not even top 10, I think. Yeah, top 15. Now he makes sense as a fit for that offense. because the things they like to do brings to speed. But yeah, I mean, there can't be more than two teams in the league

that would rather have him than AJ Brown. I think the question that teams are going to have with AJ Brown is two years from now, what is he going to look like? Three years from now is going to look like. That is fair. I don't know that you're having. Yeah. I think that's definitely part of the hang out.

Yeah, but I still think it will always come down to the Patriots and what they're willing to do. And I think if you're the Patriots, you're not happy with the price the Broncos just paid, especially because they just strengthened in the AFC, which creates urgency. They took a wide receiver off the board in the trade market. That's actually a really good point. And again, I think they're the ones that are going to be the most, they were the ones that were already going to be the most desperate to get AJ. If you are Howie Roseman, that's probably the, if you're having back and forth with Vrable and Elliott Wolf, it's the bill's got DJ Moore, the Broncos. have added Jalen Waddle.

I know EJ, EJ Smith on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast thinks that Romeo Dobs is a number one receiver, but let's be real here. We were doing so well. No, I never said, Romano, Dombs is the number one. I think Romeo Dobbs is a good number, too.

If you have Romeo Dobbs and AJ Brown, then you feel good about your receiving corps. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think a wide receiver's possibility for the Eagles in the first? two rounds? No question.

Yeah. I'm going to be doing a new mock draft here soon. I don't know how the board's going to fall when I do the exercise, but wide receiver is absolutely going to be front of mind for me. Yeah, I feel like I'm going to have a mock draft later this week. I'd probably be... He's coming in a headier. He's flexing on you. Well, I was trying to decide. I was going to ask, well, no, and I was going to ask you this anyway.

Do you think it's better for me to release late in the week, or do I go early next week? You should go early next week. early next. Not just because that means I get mine up earlier. I think. Right. I was thinking early next week too. That's what I was cleaning.

First round? Two rounds? Yeah, I'll probably have them going to align wide receiver in the first two rounds. Maybe I'll do a two rounder. Oh. Yeah, maybe I'll do a two rounder. I've got a teams. Oh, yeah.

Of course. All 32. So they're different. You made me, you led me down the path of thinking like, oh, did I just step on Fran's Eagles only mock draft? I'm doing Eagles only mock draft. They're different. I'm going to do a seven rounder in April.

Ugh, in early April. That's a, that's a, that's a, a full day plus actually. Yeah, it's a full day plus. I won't be in that day. You won't be anywhere that day. All right.

Other positions we were sort of touching on in terms of the impact from the draft. Safety, like, is there a round that is, like, could you expect a third rounder in this draft to come in and start right away? Yeah, there are a couple guys. I think that you could get in the third round that I think could come in and start,

like what McCuba. did last year as a late as a late two. He was late two, right? Yeah, they're too. The first one that comes to mind would be A.J. Halsey from LSU. It's played at three different schools was at New Mexico State for his first two years, then went to Houston, then went to LSU. So four years, very productive on the ball in all four years.

He's got really good ball skills. The zone awareness is very strong, very much like what we talked about with Maccuba a year ago. He's a big kid. He's 215 pounds. can come downhill and defend the run, but again, very competent playing on the back end as well. I think it would be a good fit as a top-down player in this defense.

And when I'm looking at the rest of the safety board, like I said, it's a good class overall. I think that there would be elements of Zaki Wheatley's game that they would like, the safety from Penn State. One guy I think is worthy of bringing up as well as Bud Clark from TCU. It's a recent one for you.

Yeah, and so he's a player that I first did back in like early October. He's a 60-year senior. So I knew like, all right, he's going to be in this draft. Let's do a couple games. I did a couple games. And I liked the play style, but he's small. He's south 190 pounds. He's 6'1.

So he's like a 6-1-190. So he's built almost like a corner. He's had really good ball production over the course of his career. But I didn't see an elite athlete. And so I'm like, all right, he's not an elite athlete at that size. I had some questions about how is he going to be able to hold up as an everyday starter. So I go down to the Senior Bowl and he was one of the best defensive players in Mobile. I thought he was awesome throughout the course of the week.

And he's a like a juice guy. Like if you're in the stands, like you just feel like felt his presence every day. He absolutely brings that. He's the guy that I want to listen to him at the podium at the combine. He said like trash talk is an art form and I'm very fluent in it. So that's Bud Clark. And I thought he had a good workout at the combine as well. He's a high character.

The coaches love him. Teammates love him. Scouts rave about the off field. So to me, when I look at Bud Clark, I say probably like a third, fourth round pick. And he's probably the cutoff

if I'm looking at like day one starter capability. And I was six year senior, he better, you kind of want that. It's the Ty Robinson conversation. How many, you know an extent? Players deep is that?

Six. Now, there are other guys that I think have starting upside, but in terms of like who I would say, like, oh yeah, I can count on this guy. to come in and be in every down player right away,

that would probably be the cutoff for me. Bud Clark would scare me with Andrew McCuba. Like, you'd have, like, the smallest safety pairing in the NFL. Yeah. Is there a guy that is, like, physical presence, multi-year starter? Because that's the other thing is, do you want, you kind of, it feels like you'd want an experienced player next to Maccuba.

Not just because Maccuba's younger, but he's also a risk taker. Like, is there a player that you think, I like actually, that would be a good fit next to McCu. Well, that was the thing is the Macuba played a lot of ball, too. He was a four-year starter, three years of Clemson, one year of Texas. Bud Clark has 45 starts under his belt. He's played a lot of ball.

And when you look at some of the other guys as well, I mean, one guy that comes to mind would be trading Stukes from Arizona. He's got 36 starts. Deshawn Singleton from Nebraska, 30 starts. A lot of these guys are pretty battle tested. Jacoby Thomas from Miami, 30 starts. Michael Taft, 36 starts in Texas. I was going to ask you.

You're lower on Taft than the consensus, right? I think I'm probably right around consensus. I see him as kind of like a mid-round pig. the safety from Texas, three-year starter. Fairly instinctive. He can make plays on the ball. Honestly,

he's kind of similar to Bud Clark in that he's a little bit skinny. He came in 190 even, so he's under six foot, so he's a little bit of an undersized guy too. Do you think I'm overstating the, like, physicality pairing with McCuba?

You think that's actually something the Eagles will be concerned about? Like, what type of, like, do you think they want a bigger, a bigger body next to McCuba? No,

because I think because those guys get used so interchangeably. I don't think that that would be the way they would look at it. I'm more concerned just like just having two young guys in that role. That's what concerns me. Not necessarily like the body type more so like the, unless you just have a lot of faith that whoever you're going to draft is going to come in and be able to like carry that mantle,

do a lot of the things that read it or maybe the macuba is that guy. It's possible that they view macuba as that guy too. Yeah. For a very long time, the Eagles never used an early round pick on a safety. Right. I'm very wary of how he's... I would be very surprised if he plans...

Two years ago. To fill it out in that room at a position that's very difficult to judge in the draft with two safeties when he knows it's been much easier with veterans. So what are going to do, though? I think... I actually...

I think it's okay to spend just a little bit of money in bottom of the barrel for agents. Who's out there right now? I think it's okay. I mean, Marcus Epps... It was fine last year. Yeah. I agree with that.

It was cut twice. Yep. I don't think that's the worst thing in the world. The problem is that requires Macuba really taking a leap. I agree with the Marcus Epps point. And it's possible that they just say like, all right, we're going to roll with.

Especially if you've got three dynamite corners. Yeah. Right? In theory, that shouldn't be a difficult job. Yeah, it's the Adori Jackson, but at safety. You know, you find a lot. low-cost veteran that you feel okay about at that spot and you hope that the rest of the

secondary can kind of insulate them. I think it makes sense. But it's funny, like, you know, the question you asked this morning when we were setting up the show is like, who has the clearest path? Or like, what position is most likely to have a rookie starting week one? And safety is the clearest path to that happening. If they draft a safety, you'd expect them to start. But if not if it's a fifth rounder.

I don't know if I'd expect them to draft a safety that they want to start. Well, and that's the thing. we talked earlier about like, all right, well, I expect, and I think most of them do it, I don't want to speak for everybody, but it feels like we expect that a lot of their early picks are going to be on offense. There aren't clear paths to playing time. Certainly the starting jobs on offense.

It's more like big picture, holistically. They need to start investing the, in terms of like ensuring like future roster health, like get some young guys on the offensive side of the ball because all the money is going to get ready to go to defense the next two, three years. We need to backfill. And so when I look at offensive line, like, It's possible that the starting offensive line right now is the starting offensive line.

Like if they played a game tomorrow, like that's the group. It's also possible that the receiver group is exactly the same. The tight end group is exactly. So if you draft a tight end in the second round with an offensive lineman in the first round and a receiver in the third round, those guys aren't starters here this year. And so it's tough. Yeah, it is. It's like, I was going to ask you, are you surprised that we're talking about this?

But it's March 17th. Right now. Like a lot has to change between now and training camp. But at the same time, like, yeah, where is the path? Like, if you had to pick one position, I think, like, could the Eagles draft Cade and Proctor and, like, put him above Tyler Steen at guard? Like, is that one that you think is actually realistic? I don't know. On offense, I probably... It's absolutely possible.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. I probably think wide receiver is a little bit more likely. You draft a one and then you start the game in 11 and he's one of the three on the field. but yeah I think that offensive lines probably in a world a wide receiver makes sense tight end makes sense you start in 12 right yeah I do think right guard is possible edge is possible if it's a first or second round pick right and then safety is the last one

there's I mean the linebacker's not coming in and a corner's not coming I actually don't know if edge would you think they'd start a rookie edge over jail it's yeah it's hard to see them starting but I could see that you're talking about playing about you know 60% of the snaps yeah it's it's funny because if you did the percentages like like most likely positions they'll target in the first round. Edge is probably the highest on defense, but you wouldn't expect them to start. No.

But you're playing. You're playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and by the way, you should not be judging a draft class by how many games they start as rookies.

Well, it's a good reminder that the, the short-term health of the roster is much different than the same thing. And the draft is for 100% the latter. But there's also our conflicting viewpoints in every building in terms of like, you know, I'm sure Nick Sierra County is probably feeling a little bit more urgency to get guys to come in and help me win games in 2026

then Howie Roseman might be. But that's the way that it should be in every building. The GM should have that long term view in mind. Just thinking about safety again and the idea of using an early round pick on it, you know, how he's trotted out how well they've done in the draft the past few years

and he'll name check that we've got starters out of like, you know, 12 or 13 picks and the only one who hasn't hit is Sidney Brown. like I think he knows and it's part of why I'm surprised they took McCuba last year but I think he knows it's a very difficult position to draft

and I would I would not think that's a very good use of a pick and the other thing too the long term future for Vic Fangio like if you're going to pick a safety and say like oh he's going to fit in the Vic Fangio scheme if Vic Fangio's scheme is not in Philadelphia in 2027 like that doesn't do you much good

yeah I've said before like safeties are the most defensive coordinator dependent I agree with that. Like, you know, if you make a change there, all of a sudden, you have a Sydney Brown that, like, just completely doesn't fit. A really quick question for you, Frantam on the edge discussion. Like, you know, if they would go that route in the first round, I saw on Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft that Keldrick Falk made it all the way to 30.

Yes. If he's there at 23, how, if Kenyon, Sadiq and Keldrick Falk are there. I have a higher grade on Keldrick Falk, and it's a more premium position. I tend to agree with you. Yeah. It feels, I mean, listen. and maybe, maybe they'll both make it that far, but I don't know.

I think the Eagles will be very happy if they did. Yeah, they're, it's going to be a very interesting job. I'm very excited for this draft. The first round is going to be fascinating because like, there's such wide varying opinions on a lot of players.

And I think Dejano Jermaya's mock draft is a good example of that where there are guys you see go in the top 25 where you talk with people around the league or you talk with the different evaluator in the media and say like, yeah, I don't see that guy anywhere near that. So it's a fun draft in that way.

By the way, if you're interested in the draft and you want to watch Fran do some guys, we've got a great event coming up, there's probably like, I mean, a handful of tickets left available. Connor Barwin's going to be there for a meet and greet. Franz film session right here by the studios next in line comedy, April 8th, 6 o'clock.

Brown's excited about it. Grab a point. Pro steeds going to make the world a better foundation. Yeah, yeah. It'll be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. I got to say. your accent's getting better.

Like this segment, I feel like you really have been locked in. Maybe it was me going back to normal. I do think that helped. It helped me, that's for sure. It definitely helps. All I'm hoping for is like, you know, one or two good sentences. It was a good segment. I'm glad that I made.

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something for you oh no oh no just one for now for now for now Can we set a light goal for you to stop? Fran Duffy's draft guide. Man is it wise. Each prospect nuggets a fun, new surprise. Rankings, reports, news of all sorts. The sticky proof, Fran did all these guys. Oh, God.

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There's one more I got to finish. I've got one done. I'll get the other one later. That was good. That's good.

Okay. You had threw me all ears. I'm sorry, I'm going to that one. Yeah, I,

who's your favorite, Patrick? My favorite Patrick? Hmm. I mean, you have Sir Patrick Stewart. Good one. Oh, we're not doing Eagles, Patrick?

Do whatever kind of you want. I mean, there's only a couple of Eagles, Patrick's. Well, it's actually interesting. The Patrick that came to my mind is not, this isn't my answer. It's just funny that this is the first one that popped in my head, Patrick Star from SpongeBob. Okay.

Got to remember he's younger. Yeah. Who doesn't love a Patrick Star? I believe there have only been three eagles named Patrick. First named Patrick. Two of them are on the thumb. You got Patrick Robinson, of course, probably at the top, given his contributions to the Super Bowl.

Yeah. Patrick Johnson, the great Patrick Johnson, dear friend of mine, like Patrick Johnson. Of course. And you got Patrick Chung. Not a good season. However, did you know? Brian Dawkins' middle name is Patrick.

You want me to try that one for you? Brian Dawkins Thank you for making me feel better I do not know There's another player Whose name is Whose middle name is Patrick Who played for the Eagles

And on this day This is an unbelievable name For him to have True, his name Happy Feller That's a good one Yeah Wee little happy feather

Shout out to Evan in the chat Also I mean Patrick Fienis Ah, Potvinus. That's my favorite Patrick. Also, shout out to my Pat. Yeah. Oh, no, I think Pat counts.

Yeah, I think Pat counts. His name's Patrick. I don't know. Shout out to... Do we really think his name's Patrick? No, I mean... I don't think it is. That is a good point.

If you do, I've got the bridge to sell you. What about Padrig? Does that count? No. Oh, no, it doesn't count. Is it... All the famous Eagles named Padrick. Well, no, I wasn't going to Eagles.

I was, what's the golfer's name? Is it? Buddy Harrington. Yeah. Yeah. That's the next Patrick could think of. I'm just trying to think of obscure Patrick. Swayzy.

Yeah. He doesn't know who that is. He does no. I do know how. Who is Patrick Swayze? I'm calling it. Yeah. Okay.

What's you in? Let's see. Let's see if I've seen any of his movies. Oh, my. If you've seen more from Patrick Starr than Patrick Swayze. That's no question. I have done. We definitely see more of Patrick Star than Patrick Swayze.

What are we talking about here? Any Patrick's in the draft? No. I can think of it. Yeah, you might be right. I'll do a quick little... I got to do a quick little search. I've been recently putting in all the accepted invites from the Hula Bowl,

the American Bowl, the CGS game, like all the other like smaller All-Star games. So there's a bunch of names that just got added in there. So there might be a Patrick. You might be hiding. I got a question for you while you look up the Patrick. Okay. And maybe you can chime in here too.

Is it me or did Omar Cooper jump into the first round a little more aggressively than was originally anticipated? No Patrick's. I'm seeing him like mid-first now. He's a good player. And it wouldn't shock me because I think receivers, receivers go earlier than we think. And I think especially in this draft where if people are going to be like arguing about who the best players are and things, I think that. I think that the, it's probably likely that the premium positions, so, you know, wide receiver tackle, those guys are there, there's just going to be a run there.

And so if you told me that Omar Cooper Jr. ended up as the, I don't even know who's picked, like the 20th pick as the 26th pick, that wouldn't shock me. The 23rd pick, wouldn't shock me. Really? Sure. Why not? I feel like there are guys you like better there than him for the Eagles. Probably.

I mean, Casey Conception is there. I know you've mocked him there before. I've got, I, I have like near identical grades on Mackay Lemon, Casey Concepcion, and Omar Cooper Jr. Like the exact grade on all three guys. And a lot of people wouldn't like that you have McKay Lemon graded the same, but you hate the guy. I don't hate, he's my, watch the film. Yeah, he's my, oh man, that's a, you think he won't get on the field. What's that?

He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, little citrus. where, you know, like. Those are just, that's good. He's a lot like Charlie Collar where like the guys who like study the film. He's nothing like Charlie Culper. He's caught the ball before.

Critically, they actually know football. They have a different opinion than the consensus. You know, the consensus of Charlie Kohler. Yeah, the catch me a break. There are two Patrick's in this draft class. All right. So actually, shout out to our supporters on YouTube. If you were a member of our supporters club,

you got a video last week. That's right. The worst players in the draft. and the worst eddressure or the lowest ranked eddressor I've studied so far is LSU's Patrick Payton So he is on there, Patrick Payton To his family

Sorry And then there's a corner From the University of Ottawa That's a phenomenal name Patrick Cumberbatch That's a fun Fantastic name 61-192

Was that the CGS at the collegiate iron showcase I mean You know But shout out to them Um McCleman's a fine player I don't hate him I never said you hated him

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yeah you know what it is and I Like, I will take this back. I've said before, like, oh, man, I'm really good at different accents. I'm good at saying specific words in different accents. I am not good at talking in different accents at all. Really?

Important lesson for us all to have learned today. This is growth. Yeah. Do not need to be an Eagles insider to figure that one out. Do you have any super chats left? I believe we've missed a couple. Joe Rockhead. Ozzie and John Lennon just rolled over.

Hot Sistoli. What's the cost for Bo to do two? to do an accent every loop of Tuesday. A thousand likes on a video. You've got a good idea. There could be something to this. A million likes. At least, maybe we should sell this.

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You've really dropped it. Charles Esquard. Bo, apologies. If you've already touched on this in the past shows, but what were your top films from 2025? Oh, no. Say top football. or a la letterboxed. Ah, that's a good question.

It's, I, the top three I could tell you, it's probably, it was just an accident. It would be sinners in one battle after another. I liked them both quite a bit. Number four, very difficult. F1. Not F1. Tell you that.

Would it be? It's a bit of a jumble there. Marty Supreme, Secret Agent, Amnett. Bologna, I like to a bit as well. Did you guys see the S&L? To be or not to be? Irish dancers.

The SNL skit from this past weekend. We're, uh, tended to be a certain conservative radio host did the impression to talking about the Oscars and talking about Ham to you saying Hamnet, uh, in an accent. I haven't seen. Let me think about, let me think about number four. I'll give you an answer tomorrow.

Say F1. It's not F1. Did you like F1, Fran? I never saw. I didn't say it. Oh. You'd like it. It's a good movie. I did text.

I feel like I'm forgetting one. Anyway, the future is bright, and we had a guy the other day come over to me and say, hey, I think I should do a show in an Irish accent. I said his name was Ray. It's not who we're talking about. But the future is bright for the Eagles in the draft, and we've talked about it today. The more we talk about it, the more I think offensive line in the first round. I would agree with that.

If you went off, if you went wide receiver in the first round, if it is Omar Cooper Jr. or Casey Conception or, you know, Franz's most hated prospect, Mackay Levin, I could see them doubling up on offensive line on day two. I think that it's going to be a priority for him. Well, I'll let you guys, we can finish this conversation in overtime. Lindsay, do you know what's going on? Do you know what in the world is happening right now?

All right. I have no idea. What are the chances? What are the chances that they make four picks in the first two days and all of them are offensive? No. None of. Would you say that it's more likely that one is an offensive?

Do you really feel good that it's going to be multiple offensive linemen in those first four picks? I wouldn't say like. I feel great about it. I just, it wouldn't surprise me because of the fact that they need a swing tackle as it currently sits. Maybe they signed Fred Johnson back or somebody else who could be a swing tackle before now on the draft. But I think they could use succession planning at both offensive tackle in on the interior line. So it wouldn't shock me.

I wouldn't say like I, you know, I maybe put it like 30 or 40 turkeys. I wouldn't say it's more likely than not. Yeah, it's a, I don't know how to feel about it. Like I said, I do think that it's going to be mostly offense, certainly in the first day of the draft. But we talked about safety. We talked about a bunch of different positions. We will continue to do so over the next few weeks.

Probably wrap it up. You got anything else? No. I appreciate you guys liking the video so I could, you know, return to my normal self. Yeah. I'll put the accent away for a while. But yeah, that's going to do it for us on the P.H.O.E.E.E.O.E.

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