PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will Jalen Hurts and the Eagles go BTA again in the Super Bowl rematch?

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

The Eagles might be without Dallas Goedert and Will Shipley, but Jalen Hurts needs to hear none of that with a rematch against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs coming up Sunday as A.J. Brown looks to bounce back with a big game, Saquon Barkley tries to break a long one after not getting in on the action in the Super Bowl and the likes of Jalen Carter, Zack Baun, Cooper DeJean and Quinyon Mitchell try to back up their performance in New Orleans. EJ Smith has the latest from NovaCare, Fran Duffy brings you the Xs and Os and Bo Wulf keeps things moving. Join them. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

B-T-A, B-T-A, B-T-A. Can the Eagles do it again in the rematch with the Chiefs on Sunday? We'll find out on Sunday, but until then we talk about the game with Fran Duffy and E.J. Smith in the studio coming up next on the P.H.O.I. Eagles show. From the X.L.Y. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley Botew, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith coming at you on a beautiful fall Thursday. How you guys doing? What's up, Fran? Doing great. How's it going?

BTA, that Bo talks arrowhead? Hmm. Um, sure. Bo tells all. I don't think we want that. I don't think we do either. I don't know if that one will... How are you, E.J.

I'm doing well. I'm excited. I have first road trip coming up with a season. I'm excited about that. Yeah, but it's going to be a good game. It's going to be a good show. What are your, uh, what are your deets here?

You're flying out, flying out, Saturday? Yeah, fly out Saturday morning. Don't ask me the specific time. It's 10-ish. Okay. It's around then. Yeah. You get a meal planned? Yeah, I'm going out with my old inquire colleagues. I was heartened that I was still invited. It definitely made me feel good. Yeah. And did you ask anybody from Kansas City for a restaurant recommendation or did you just lean on old reliable? My former colleague, Jeff McLean, like Zach Berman, is 100% on restaurant recommendations and choices. So I went with his, his, his, I feel like the more we're finding out here that we find out that you just have a low bar for restaurants.

That is totally true. Everybody is a 100%. I mean, come on. Yeah, I don't have it. I do not have a bar for restaurants. I went to Applebee's for my 21st birthday. That sounds nice. It was really nice.

But that goes to show you like the level of restaurant I am happy with. You big barbecue guy? I mean, at home, yeah, I don't necessarily get that at like Applebee's. Bones. I'm talking about Kansas City though. Oh, yes, obviously. Yeah. Just asking randomly.

I thought you were talking about Applebee's. I want more baby, Beck, baby, baby. How you doing, Fran? I was the same I was when you asked me two minutes ago. All right. E.J., how are you? How are you?

I'm doing well. What are we doing here? I don't know. Weird day. All right. Let's get into it. Yesterday, Eagles returned to the practice field. There have been some transactions that have happened,

one of which, I mean, made me fury. Yes. And I am still, like, listen, two Super Bowls is great. If I was Jeffrey Larry, like, I don't know that firing the general manager would have been too strong. Given the move that they made, it worked out okay for them. But EJ, give us the latest and greatest from the NoviCare complex. Yeah, so the Eagles did release Gabe Hall from the active roster, which I feel like is the lead here, obviously, on this show. What are they doing? I know he didn't get claimed, but just because you drive drunk and don't get an accident doesn't mean it's okay to drive drunk.

Like what, why are they waving Gabe Hall when they've got two veteran edge rushers inactive on game day and then you added another veteran edge rusher? What about if Will Shillopley's not hurt and he's not going on IR? Do we need A.J. Dillon now that we have Tank Bigsby, what are we risking Gabe Hall for? This is a young player you developed. A huge risk. I've got no good answer for you. I have tried to figure out a good answer.

I have not gotten, I have not figured out a good answer for you. But that is how they cleared space for Tank Bigsby to get on the roster. We saw Tank Biggsby and Zadaria Smith on the practice field on what was that Wednesday. Sorry, always losing track of days. We saw them on Wednesday. Zadaria Smith number 52, Tank Bigsby, number 37. How are you feeling about that? Rough, that's a rough start for Tank Bigsby.

Not as rough as the introductory video. It's so good. So good. I mean, listen, it is so perfectly set up. It's like, we don't usually get to see, you know, the full kickoff return rep. And sometimes the shooting period is over by the time we see that. But you know what? They're thinking to themselves, okay, we have Devin Hester 2.0, the greatest return man in the league.

It's on spec. He's only done it 11 times. But we feel like this is, you know, remember Dante Hall, but just imagine him bigger. That's basically what Tank Bigsby is. And like, okay, we're going to show him off. And then poor guy catches the kickoff return and then just like, throw his fomits up the ball off to the ground. It was definitely like a. And you bought it.

Yeah. Yeah. listen, you keep rolling through it. Even if you guys were walking forward, you're walking through the shot, you just keep going. And yeah, he kind of bobbled the ball after. He fielded it cleanly. It looked like, but then babbled it moments thereafter. Again, a force fumble by the air on that one, I think.

So, yeah, on Campbell, actually. Well, maybe. We don't need that right now. Maybe we will. But I don't think we need a Jahad Campbell force fumble in this, in this instance. No stat corrections have been issued by the league yet. So we could be getting some breaking news here. Now, I want the chat to tell me what they think about like how they've withheld this victory from me.

I don't know. You know what you keep saying that. This is when we did we declare the victory. It's a weekly cycle. Before we do Swooper today, which we will have coming up later in the show, we review who won last week. Maybe it's just my experience listening to you guys on this show that I've got my guard up for maybe some new guy. Oh, we're not going to give you the win. But I don't know.

I'm just, again, I want to hear what the chat has to say about this. When it comes to games on this show, my integrity is without question. This is what I mean. He lost me on that one. Yeah. Off the show, fine. Question. But when it comes to games, everything is on the up and up.

It was noteworthy that Tank Bigsby was the first returner up in practice. Right away. And he'd also fielded other kickoffs cleanly, we should note. But the first one, of course. It's not like he's going to be a bad kickoff. And it is like a tough. very funny like introduction it's just like a tough it's a funny thing as a reporter where it's like you take the video completely innocuous and then it's like you know you're going to get some

and i told you like i will reward the viewers that watch it like if they notice it i'm not going to sit there and broadcast it on yeah on the post but i think that's right um i do need to inform everybody that the jaguars fan base has found this video and now it is making the rounds with the jaguars fans it's good for your good for your numbers oh and i mean that that like uh i don't don't do it. I'm not in it for the numbers. The Duval bump. Doobal bump. It's so fun to do that. Duval. You're like to do va. I like that the chat is telling me I should be concerned about the way that Swooper has gone this week. Don't trust them. They don't know anything. How dare you? You don't even know who CDP is. You can't relate to the chat. I'm learning the chat. Did you talk to Tank Pigsby in the locker room? Uh, I don't even know. I'm learning the chat.

I was not there, but I do have notes from his press conference, so we can go through those. Let's hear it. He said he was expecting a trade because of how the season opener went for him, his workload. And then, yeah, he was, you know, kind of said the stuff he expected him to say. He's optimistic about joining a successful team and has an opportunity to do something great. He was asked about, like, what he likes about the new kickoff format, how it lends itself. And I thought, you know, listeners to the show will know that I have complained about the overuse of this is like the insight. zone, but I liked his characterization of it.

He said, it's like a big old zone run. I appreciated that. It's just like a bigger version of it. I was like, okay, I can appreciate that. It's a way to describe somebody's physique. A big old zone? Big old zone run. He said that he can get downhill on kick returns and that the way it's set up, you see a gap,

you hit it, and you can crease it. So I like that. It's very funny that it's like, okay, kickoffs are now basically running plays. So we're going to go get this guy. but he's just to kick our fraternity. He's not actually just a running back for us. Oh, oh, really? Yeah.

No, I agree. We don't think we're going to put that together. And then do you want the origin of his name? Sure. When he was seven years old, he was running with the ball and his helmet came off, but he kept running and his mom said, you were running like a tank, and it just stuck. Okay. It's fun.

I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in on that. It's a good nickname. Great. Did you talk to Zedarius Smith, the other new guy? I did. I enjoyed, I asked him about it.

about like did you think like this could have been the end like you know what was that wait like for you and he was like come on like I knew can know what he was done yeah I got I got got a lot of teams calling is what he said was it basically I just didn't want to go through training camp I mean that's my read on it that's not what he said he said that he said that he was waiting to see what opportunity made the most sense and that he felt really comfortable coming to Philadelphia he knew obo Okerankwo because they were in Cleveland together and he right maybe that's why they didn't whack him because they didn't want to upset Zedareis right at the right as he got to get him right as he got to go

out through the door. Maybe it was in Zadarious Miss Contract. Like you can't cut oboe. But also the other thing is they risked, like, I understand that they think that Gabe Hall is expendable now because Byron Young had a good game. But by getting rid of Byron Young's best friend, you risk losing Byron Young too. I mean, not really. Like, emotionally. Oh, okay. I was going to say, like, do you think Byron Young's going to, like, demand a trade?

No, but he's going to, his heart's not going to be in it. You took away his best friend. No arguments there? I can't argue that. He did mention Zadaria Smith. He mentioned that the Brandon Graham role had been vacated, and that was something that stood out to him. And I think maybe not like on field, but off field.

I do think there is some value to having that veteran presence in the room, somebody who has kind of a proven track record in the league. Obviously, Okraanko was also a veteran player. But again, Zadaria Smith, I think kind of adds to that element. I think there is a difference, though. No, I don't want to be the BG defender here. Oh, there's definitely a difference. Yeah, there's a difference between like the guy who's been in the same place where you are.

No question. For 14 years. Yeah. Versus a guy who has bounced around a lot. And not for nothing has had like some back and forth with the places he's been. It hasn't always been Rosie. Like that's a bit, it's not exactly like this is our chosen veteran leader. It's more like he's here to be a mercenary.

Yeah. No, I completely agree. I don't, I don't think you really, there's really no replacing Brandon Graham in the locker room. So I just thought it was interesting, both from like a veteran standpoint, but also like the role that you envisioned for Brandon Graham last year before the season started. I think that probably is something you could see for Zadari Smith. Maybe not right away. You know, Nick Siriani was noncommittal about pretty much everything. He was asked about it from being honest.

But including Zadariah Smith's potential role talking about how it really is player dependent on how much guys can pick up and how they can integrate within the scheme. Defense event, we've talked about it is like a. pretty seamless. It's just there are fewer strings attached at that position. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him play. But yeah, they definitely are kind of slow playing how much he will play. And I thought it was interesting as Zadaria Smith said that he hasn't been in PAD

since January 14th. So it's been a long, long layoff for the guy. We mentioned BG, we should just say, please check out the Brandon Graham Unblocked podcast. Absolutely. On YouTube and check out the clips.

Follow BG underscore unblocked on the social medias. There was a funny moment in the, there when I asked him about Zadaria Smith and he's like yeah I think like we're we're pretty similar like we're pretty similarly built I'm like he's taller than you yeah you're like I was just what I did he tried to walk it back a little bit I enjoyed that felt bad but I had to you know gotta gotta be honest I would encourage go check it out it was a lot of good insight there from BGA and some some funny moments as you would expect I thoroughly enjoyed watching it live yesterday his personality just really takes to podcast and he's a natural fantastic yeah

Okay, that's the news, the new guys. What about what we heard from Jalen Hertz yesterday? Well, really quick, I think we should mention injuries too. Oh, yes. I haven't even talked about the big one. Yeah, Dallas Goddard was not at practice on Wednesday. He was listed with a knee injury. I suspect this could be, I mean, I'd be surprised if he played this week.

I suspect this could be a couple weeks at this point with him. So, you know, obviously he's had an injury history of the last few years, and it's definitely not a good time. I can't get a break. Yeah. Like, it's pretty. Brutal. I mean, it's why when the contract negotiations were going on with him and the team this spring

in this offseason, it was like, yeah, like you get it from both sides just because, I mean, he had two stints on IR last year and it's been a consistent thing over the last three, four years. It's also why, I mean, I know they threw a bunch of like darts at the wall. Yeah. But I really feel like they should have done something else at tight end this off season. Yeah, I mean, you look at the draft and it seemed like there was a run that went earlier than they were on the board. So I feel like the last two. years, I feel like there have been examples where like you kind of feel like this would have been a

good time for them to go tight end and it hasn't worked out for them. I mean, listen, this is not, this is like the silliest thing to complain about. I'm still mystified that they didn't sign an undrafted tight end. Yeah, no, that's fair. But like, you know what I mean? They have nobody under contract for next season. Why not take a shot? Like, honestly, they're not going to not win the Super Bowl. Like this is probably the best friend organization of football. It just, it still baffles me. And also, like, more surprising that an agent didn't think this is a good spot to put my undrafted player to send him to Philadelphia. Yeah.

I mean, Cameron Lattu, getting some work at fullback. Yeah. Interesting. For you at all. Just give me the sixth. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. There might be more on that later. Interesting.

Yeah. What do you think? About the six offensive. You got a little scuttle butt? I feel like what I would say is that I think the players agree that there should be some Fred Johnson usage as the sixth offensive lineman. So, yeah, we've talked about it, especially a game like this one against the Chiefs where you think that they might send a lot of pressure packages having, just being able

to lean on heavy packages, maybe not major in it. I know we kind of disagree on that, but at least to be able to lean on it at times, again, like, what are we doing with Grant-Kalcatera and Kylan Granson is your two point of attack tight ends in the blocking, in the run game? And then we're talking about it, especially without Dallas Godder. Yeah, yeah, right? The best of your blocking tight ends, you know, you want to bring, you want to bring, you want to bring two guys on the field?

I don't know. It's going to be, you would imagine that this would be a game to lean into those six O-line packages. Yeah, the thing is, if they haven't been working on it at all, then you're not going to just throw it in. So I don't have high hopes that it would happen.

But we have seen him do it at least an individual. Like, I never sent you the video, maybe because I don't want you to get too excited, but I have seen him working on the left side of Jordan Milata during practice at times. So I think it's something that is like on their radar, but not necessarily something they've rolled out. out in the game. What do you think? I've been thinking more about the, you know, the condensed

splits stuff. Is that a thing that you think that they are going to continue to to lean into? Yeah, you hope not. And in this and I guess in this game, especially, before we get into the specifics of the matchup, yeah, in this game specifically. Yeah. You know, I think that, uh, you can go condend. What I like throwing from condensed and I like running from spread, right? So like the idea of like, all right, you bring everybody in and then you throw out of it. And then the opposite where you spread everybody out and then you run. You light in the box and then you're able to hit it, you know, down the middle. I think when you're looking at, uh, this game in particular against Kansas City, what would concern me when you bring all of those bodies in, when you have

a blitzing defense coordinator like a Steve Spagnolo is that now you are, uh, really allowing him to disguise pressure at an even better rate and a more efficient rate. And so, uh, that, that would concern me going into the yeah. Yeah. If you're, if you're spread wide, even if you're fooled, the guy's coming from further away. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, uh, I don't think that you need to reinvent the wheel from what you did scam. I'll get into when we get a preview. I don't think they should reinvent the wheel for what you did.

It worked so well, you know, nine months ago, eight months ago. Yeah. You know, but we'll see. I just,

from a, from a, like a common sense standpoint, if you feel like you have the talent advantage in most of the matchups, common sense would be like, let's spread everything out

as far as possible so that, like, there's enough space for our guys, to win or you know there's enough space for us to not be fooled up front and and let our offensive linemen block them. Whereas like going condensed would be more we think we're outmaned. We can we can scheme things up this way and it'll be a little bit more confusing for them. It feels a little bit away from the way that they run their offense, which seems to be so

leaning into our talent advantage. Well, I guess you can create space outside the numbers with the condensed splits, but it's a matter of taking advantage to that's true. Yeah. And it's going back to, and I think it's a connected conversation. the 12 personnel stuff. You know, you guys talked about it on Tuesday. To me, just get your best players on the field, right? And you're trying to find different.

So rather than say going in and say, all, well, we definitely want to play 12 because that's important to us. We want to make sure that we can diversify and be able to attack defenses in multiple ways and be versatile. Just get your best guys out there as often as you can. And when you look around the league,

yeah, there was an uptick in multiple tight-end sets over the, just in this week one sample. But a lot of the teams that leaned into it, Arizona, Cleveland, like those are teams that don't have great receiving cores, right? And so to me, you lean,

and when you look at this tight end group, like yeah, like Grant Gaghtara, nice player. You know, I think when you look at this group, it's solid. And Dallas is very,

very good when he's healthy. You don't have Dallas got it now. I just can't imagine that they're going to lean heavily into those kind of sets once they get into Kansas City on Sunday. Yeah. Definitely feels more like an 11 game,

especially when you think about the, the matchup advantages they could have on the perimeter. Last thing, before we get to break, is Jalen Hertz. What kind of things that he talked about?

Yeah, he had a lot to say about a lot of different topics. I would say, like, the Mahomes-Herts matchup while intriguing. And while I think we all know that Jalen does value

or have the competitive drive in those types of games, I mean, we'd be lying if we pretend that he didn't. He's obviously not really going to acknowledge it. He was asked about the Mahomes

matchup and he said, I look at it as another opportunity, looking inward, focusing on the things that we can build on as a team. So really a no-sell on that one. The one thing I did mind interesting again like you know that jalen always has those few things he really wants to hit on in a press

conference he was asked about uh... asked about uh... a j brown and devante smit the lack of targets for those guys and really kept hitting on the word collective the collective uh... like you know the the the importance of the offense and the team without zooming in on one player so i definitely think that is a message he wanted to get across again he mentioned it a few times um you know he said as an offense we just came back and said we want to go out there and play efficient football and we want to be all in on the collective. So yeah, you take that for what you will. We also heard from AJ Brown while Jaylin was speaking. So I can give you more of that on the other side of the break. What a tease. What a pro. Fantastic. We'll get to that soon just after

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Albert O. Very O-forward. Yeah, but say even like the names or A-O, yeah. There you go. Both have a chance with potentially a feely, although that would be disappointing if they got all the way there. that would I think that would be

that would deserve like its own episode if both guys were able to get a feeling real men sit to pee I know that's right respect that says oh we you know

we haven't gotten your take on this EJ you're a sitzman not frequently but I will never frown upon that I mean listen the middle of the night yeah you don't because the middle of the night

you're going like you're trying to stay in the sleep mode yeah And also, like, if you're not going to turn the lights on. Exactly. 100% hit rate if you're sitting down. That's all I have to say.

You disagree, Andrew? Listen, there's no like, what you got to do. There's no machismo over here. I don't have any pride on the line with this. You look like you have something to say. I spent 50 minutes this morning. I was going to bring out this. Now, what better time than right now.

50 minutes this morning unclogging a toilet too much toilet paper going in through Francis just like of course natural

how would you grade your ability to unclog a toilet with a plunder oh nine and a half out of ten yeah I am a very good I was so

frustrated I've never encountered a clog like this one I eventually got it but man it was like from 545 until 630

645 that's how I spent my morning Now, do you guys have, like, the real plunger or, like, the flimsy one? You don't even know what I'm talking about? Now, yeah. Does your plunger, like, is it like a half, like, circle or does it have, like, an extra attachment? Oh, you mean that? I know what you're talking about that.

I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't think I'm good. I'd give myself a forward to it. I prefer the old, I give me the old fashioned plunger. Oh, no. See, I got the heavy duty one. And, like, even, because I think probably because I don't have your skills.

Oh, yeah. That's the type of thing that, like, we're got good plungement over here. Is that the type of thing? I'm looking for a. Do you need to like just like look that up as an adult to like learn how to actually do it? You think? No, I feel like it's an inherited trait. I feel like I think that's a little.

I got that dog. It's athleticism. If you like, if you're a good athlete, you know, you can. I don't know. All right. You lost me with that one. You lost me with that one. It's all about feel.

You got to like know the right spot. The right. Yeah. And then you got to give it the good. That has to be a drop. Yeah. See, I put it out of the water to get. You got to get water in that.

Every time? Almost every time. No, I don't need that. I don't do that. I guess more skilled. I just got to share your craft. Does Francis also do the thing where he just, he pulls the toilet paper down? Yeah.

And then the dog does it and the hat does it. So like the doors have to stay shut in all of our, in all of our bathrooms for this reason. Anyway, real men sit to be his question. E.J., after working with Bo for a month, do you still think he steals all of your takes? Um, I don't think you steal as many of my takes, but you did steal one of my phrases early on. And this is the perfect time to litigate. Okay. We were talking about Jehad Campbell on the show.

And I said that he had stopping power. And then the next morning, you were on with Anthony and you use the expression stopping power. And I was like, I don't like, Frank, is that a football guy phrase or anything I say that early in the morning? You hear a lot of football guys use that phrase. I mean, I like stopping power. I love using it. I like a stopping power. I just, I don't know.

I never heard you say it before. I got to say so many. words. Oh, here we can't be held accountable. So I thank you. Thank you to real men sit to P for finally. I mean, I am willing to say that it is more likely that I unintentionally took that from you than any than any takes. I've never stolen a take from you. That's ridiculous. You borrowed every once in a lot. It's okay. It's all right. We're partners now. You've got terrible takes. Oh, I disagree all hard. In my. Polar jam. More like Dallas got hurt in my head. I mean, I don't. It gives me no pleasure to report.

that that's an A plus joke. De Niro's Eagles Cardigan. Could we trade Nicopi Dean once he's healthy? And what could we get for him? Seems like how he played last year. And Trotter Dean is expendable. Could we get a tight end or a corner from it? I think it's more likely that he's brought back

on some kind of one year deal to, as opposed to trying to trade him. I also think it trade value-wise. You're talking about the guy on the final year of his deal coming off a serious injury. I feel like it would be more likely to me he gets back and then for some reason somebody really likes Jeremiah Trado Jr. And you're able to trade him for a backup tight end.

Yeah, I think a backup tight end is probably like the ceiling of what you'd expect to get for somebody like Jeremiah Charter Jr. though. I mean, that's not like his value is going to be crazy either. No. CDP, Chase Daniel Plainview. How was Andy Reed? I don't know if we're going to read this. Yeah, I'm going to skip that. CDP, I love you.

But we're not going to go there today. And then De Niro goes, what is y'all's opinions on Badez? the toilet eye on clock today has a bidet. I'm pro-biday. I am unafraid to sit on in the middle of the night has a bidet. Did you install that bed by yourself? I did. Now,

a little bit of a pain to install. And the thing, this is a PSA to all the people out there. You got to clean that thing every once in a while. You got to like get it back up and clean like a deep clean. You don't, you don't think so. No,

no, I haven't crossed my mind. It's like it's not like it's, it doesn't get like gross under there, but you want to clean it. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, we do. Yeah. What? Hard water. It's like easily corroded like pipes and like stuff.

Like our faucets in our old house like the same deal. Hard water stains on like your silverware? Yes. There's another thing that made us realize we have hard water. I can't remember what it is now. But yeah. Showerhead. Probeda. Yeah. We go. We go through shower heads. Yeah. For that reason. For that reason. There you go. All right. Let's get to the football. I would say that was a like. Oh, you know what? We also we missed a super chat earlier this week from Frank Barber. who said, crude not lewd, Bo knows best. There you go. For people that missed Monday's conversation.

I think that was Tuesday. No, because I was on the show. I was on the show. No, it was Tuesday. It was Tuesday. That's right. I was in the chat that day. Yeah.

Not on the show. You were killing me in the chat that day. Rightfully so. Yeah. I mean, listen. Didn't say it was offense against the Eagles defense. We know how this matchup went last time these two teams played. One of the best defensive performance is probably the best defensive performance

that we will ever see, given the stakes. week one, what did the chief's offense look like? How different did it look from what we came to expect last year? Yeah, I think that, you know, last year they got knocked, rightfully so for being a little bit too conservative. You know, they struggled to find the explosives. And I felt like they came out week one with the idea that they were going to be explosive down the field. Very early on in this game, you know, you saw more verticality, opening drive. They went with a cross-country dagger concept where Patrick Mahomes went to the checkdown.

That's a cross-country dagger is like you have a deep vertical route from the number. number three receiver, the number two receiver runs vertically as well. And then the number one guy on the outside runs a deep dig. So you have three vertical routes. Everybody was going, but nothing was, it wasn't clear there from a home. So he ended up going to the checkdown. He threw an incomplete deep post over the top on the next drive. He overthrew a nine route to Tyquan Thornton on the next drive after that. So first three, four drives, like they, they wanted to really push it vertically down the field. Obviously, Xavier Worthy gets hurt. So they got away from it. I think as the game went on a little, but I think that they,

wanted to be more explosive. They're still not getting any explosives out of the run game, but I think that they came out and said, all right, we want to see if we can create a big play down the field. I thought Pacheco looked a little bit better, a little bit healthier, a little bit spryer,

but yeah, I mean, they didn't get anything going. No, they did not get much going on the ground. I thought the Chargers did a good job of holding their own, certainly at the point of attack.

Let's talk about the point of attack there because the big difference from last year is, we got a new left side of the offensive line, Josh Simmons at left tackle, Kingsley Suamata I. at left guard. How did they look in week one? I think that Suomataia,

who started the season as their left tackle last year as a rookie and just wasn't ready for it. He apparently had a good... I was high on Suamataia. I mean, what a fun name to say. Yeah. Actually, I believe one of the first times I was ever on the show,

the Combine that year. And you and your co-host at the time were very... Couldn't believe how I was pronouncing the name. Yeah, this stuff changes so often. It's just to think back. Um, but no, so Kingsley struggled last year. Uh, and so they moved him inside to guard and reportedly had a good summer.

You can get after him in pass. I think if in terms of like pure past protection, even at guard, I like that matchup in terms of power. Yeah. More technique. Okay. You know, even like foot quickness. I think you, last week, uh, they moved even Cleo Mac inside at times.

They, they, they were able to get a couple of wins against Suamataia in this game in past protection. Uh, and then Josh Simmons physically, uh, Outstanding. It looked really, really, really good. I think he's going to end up being a very good player for them. There were a couple of mental lapses where, okay, you know, like he was late picking up a stunt or a slant inside. So I think that to me, like that's the weak point in Passbro.

Like I said, Simmons looked very good. So, Mattaille, like, even on the move, like outside in terms of like used as a polar and things of that nature. And the screen game just didn't look great. He is at his best. Like, all right, like we're on an inside zone and I just got to block this guy in front of me and move him off the ball. powerful. Like he can do that. But outside of that, like, didn't look

great. We know about the right side of the offensive line. Creed Humphrey, best center in football right now. Trey Smith, one of the best right guards in football right now. Big, powerful Mahler. And then at right tackle, Juan Taylor, talented, very inconsistent. And you can get after him. And they did in the Super Bowl. Yes, they did in the Super Bowl.

And I think they should be able to hear in this game. The way that I would explain, and I clicked to me as I was doing my notes, you know, just kind of watching through the game. Juan Taylor, A traits, C technique. Like if you're on ABC grade, C technique, he's a B player. Like he's got all the traits. So there are going to be games and reps where he looks awesome. And then there's going to be games and reps where he does not look awesome

and try and take advantage when he can. So do you remember how they handled Jalen Carter in the Super Bowl? Was it just Tray Smith handles him one-on-one and we're rolling the protection to the other guy because we know we've got a, oh, they had a weakness at left guard then. They have a weakness of left guard now as well. or were they trying to double team with Humphrey and Trace Smith are two best guys on Jalen Carter and let the other guy take the worst matchup. Seeing how this game went against the Chargers,

if Jalen Carter is lined up against Sua Mattaeah, I think they would be foolish to not slide Creed Humphrey that way. I think if they were to leave Suoamataia one-on-one in Pat, if it's third and eight and Jalen Carter's lined up across from him, honestly, even if they do, if Zedaria Smith is lined up across from him, if they put Zadaria Smith in, like, that's a matchup that the Eagles should feel confident in going into this game.

Now what's interesting is that Jalen Carter lined up almost exclusively over the right guard last season. Right. So I think this will be very indicative of if they are more comfortable moving him around the interior this year. And I don't know why they wouldn't be. Yeah, right? I don't see any reason why. Yeah, I mean, there was there might have been a reason that they didn't last year. I assume he's more comfortable on that side.

But yeah, at some point, especially the level of player that he is, they need him to move to be able to exploit those matchups. Honestly, that has been my. because I mean look they've been so good from a defensive front standpoint for years and years and years for but over the course of that time the knock I would have on that group

like schematically they're not like a creative like all like all the different fronts and look what they're moving guys around it's typically been like all right like Fletcher Cox and left defensive tackle Jimmy Jernigan or Javan Hargrave or whoever right defensive tackle left end right end and we're going to go no matter who the defense coordinator is Jim Schwarz Jonathan Gan and Sean Desai like you go down

it's been pretty static in that Especially because Fanjo has been creative with his friends in the past. Am I wrong about that? He's creative in a, like in terms of the wear guy's line, but not in terms of like, what role they play. Yeah, exactly. Not in terms of the role they play, but sometimes it's odd front, even front, six-man front. Like you're going to change things up from that standpoint.

Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see because it's like, to me it sounds like, because my question was like, do you think that Jalen Carter stylistically matches up well against Trey Smith because of the quickness that he has off the ball or do you really think this is just like a simplified get him over Josh Simmons and let him win? I would say that yeah like Jalen Carter you feel good about it with any going up against anybody now Trey Smith is chase chase Smith is really really good I think Jalen Carter can get some wins there but I also think it's possible that he ends of getting

stale-mated throughout the course of the game if that's the only person he lines up against I do think that they did a decent job of trying to line him up over the center at times last year but creed Humphrey also a very good player so yeah that that is something I'll certainly be watching as we go through the game on Sunday after EJ what was the reaction the locker room to Jalen Carter's uh you know not suspension but his punishment from the league yeah I mean Jordan Davis said that jalen carter apologized to the defensive line room I think that they're already to kind of put it put it behind them and understandably so again I mentioned earlier that Nick Siriani was non-committal about most things he did not have much to offer on their reaction to this is to the one

game suspension from the NFL. You know, he really didn't offer much about even Jalen Carter how he's responded to it. I expect we'll hear from Jalen Carter at some point soon, but yeah, I haven't, I don't, there hasn't been a whole lot of, um, they definitely haven't been giving it much, much oxygen so far this week. Fascinating insight. Yes. Leo in the chat, who tells us important PSA, the regular flimsy half circle plunger is

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making sure that Adori Jackson is having a tough day. Well, look, they're going into this game without three of their top four or five receivers, depending on how you view the rookie Jalen Royals. I'd say probably more of like the fifth option in the pecking order there. But no Rishi Rice, obviously, due to the suspension, Xavier Worthy, it feels like he's not going to play. Too bad he's the best player in the game. Yeah, I mean, absolutely, a game tilting player at the Super Bowl.

So I think when you're looking at the way that they're probably going to attack, of course, who could forget. So to me, Hollywood Brown had 16 targets. Leads the NFL right now. It's 16 targets this past week. So to me, yeah, you're going to see plenty of Hollywood Brown.

The way that I think that they're going to approach it, understanding the Eagles are going to play a lot of zone coverage, it's probably going to be a lot of, if you guys think it's going to be a Dory Jackson? Or do you think it's going to be Jacorian Bennett? I think it'll be a Dory. I don't think this is the week you pull the plug on him. I think especially like thinking it,

the thing about the chiefs receiving core feels like they can skate by with the Dory for a week. Could be wrong. But Vic said it, it's him right now. I think. That's a best truth teller. Yeah, I just, I also think if you went through the summer and you thought it was Adore, I think you got to give him at least two games.

Yeah. I kind of lean that way as well. All right. So, as I said on Monday and on Friday, they didn't go out of their way to constantly give Adorea extra help. They definitely gave him more help than Quignan. When they do give him help, it's Adoria is playing cover two with a safety over top of him, right?

So in those scenarios, if Andy Reid is anticipating it's going to be cover two, they're going to be running zone cover two beaters over to that side. And I would imagine it's going to be Travis Kelsey, Hollywood Brown, the Noah Gray, like guys like that, they're going to be hitting that sideline and trying to attack him in that way and just try and create chunk plays to answer your question in terms of attacking. What's that? And just like, I don't know.

I'm unmoved by the chiefs receiving court. It feels like they're just, I mean, they're missing their top guys. So it's not a surprise. But it doesn't feel like a door. is going to be under a microscope in the same way. Maybe famous last words here. Maybe we'll clip this and play it next week.

But it just doesn't, I don't have the same like, like level of like, oh my God, how are they going to try and cover up for him? It just feels like it should be an easier game for him. Hollywood Brown had some had some chunk plays this past week, inside structure, outside structure. It was like a lot of manufactured stuff. There was a good stat from next gen. Only two of his 16 targets came in a tight window.

So they were, they did a really good job of just scheming him up and just finding ways to get him the ball. Juju Smith-Schuster, still there. Tyquan Thornton, former second round pick by the Patriots. To me, like, he's a big body, like explosive, dirty work player, like a Mack Hollins type. Had a good summer for all intents of purposes there in Kansas City, earned his way onto the roster. And so those would be certainly the names, I would kind of circle going into this one

from a wide receiver standpoint. And then the other thing we got to remember here is we made so much of Jalen Hertz's ability as a scrambler in week one, Patrick Mahomes, just as effective. last week tied jalen with with five first down scrambles we know how much how big of a deal that can be and vizio kind of made of a funny joke about that I guess you talked about that yeah he said he said that he flops on the sideline I did Cooper to Jean said something about this yesterday I thought was interesting

they were asking him about like the matchup with Travis Kelsey and he talked about the importance of avoiding the scramble drills with those two you know because of Fran I think the way you put it was mind meld that they have when when they when Patrick Holmes is extending plays that really is where I feel like, you know, I'm not as worried about Cooper de Gene in sequence against a guy like that. It is that the scramble drill stuff.

And I thought it was interesting that he mentioned that specifically as something that they need to limit. And just feels like theoretically having Zach Bonn and Jehad Campbell would be a nice thing to have here. Yeah. Their speed, I don't know.

Yeah, but I feel like with Kelsey, if you're Andy Reid, aren't you trying to get a matched up against Andrew McCuba at all costs? Sure. I just mean as a scrambler. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. To me, the big thing that look at there, you definitely want Bonn and Jihad Campbell in terms of, you know, contain and making sure you can track him down sideline to sideline. The other part of it too, though, is, you know, we saw last week Jordan Davis missed opportunity for a sat on Dak Prescott. Those guys have to be able to win those one-on-ones and then finish, right? So, you know, we talk about Jalen Carter and those guys, you know, you're matched up against that Kansas City O line. Get back there, finish. Don't let him kind of get out of the pocket. The big thing, too, you know, obviously, look, he absolutely. was on the wrong side of the line in terms of lower on the shoulder on that DB Patrick Mahomes. I will say like earlier in that drive he had a play where he scrolled, he rolled to his right and the one guy like gave him a little extra from the charger side

as he was getting ready to step out of bounds. And so I think he was, he was provoked a little bit Mahomes on that play. So yeah, I think that's something to watch certainly how they try and handle that. I almost did that, did you guys do a swooper on that? No. I thought about doing like leaving an ambiguous like

Oh, there's a sideline altercation with Patrick Mahomes and a defense player. My alternate included something along those lines, I'm pretty sure. You love an alternate. Well, some of mine, I go chalk. Like, I'm definitely safe right now at my entry. So I'm aware of the fact that one of you guys might also do that. So yeah, I send an alternate. Yeah, we're starting a little bit more down the middle.

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All right. Let's get into the Eagles offense against the Chiefs defense. E.J. here is where I will ask you about A.J. Brown and what he said this week about his very inauspicious start to the season. Yeah. So he spoke to the media on Wednesday, which is unlike him. He's usually a Friday guy. And he also did it while Jalen Hurts spoke, which hurt my soul because I was in on Jalen, so I missed AJ. You think that was intentionally? I think that was starring the pot. I don't I wouldn't go that far I do I think that him coming out on Wednesday was probably intentional yeah but I don't think he was like no I definitely not stirring the pot I think if anything and I again

I'm not saying this is actually the case maybe it was like strategic because the crowd would have been less so you know like get like let let them let everybody divide yeah yeah and then you know take advantage of a smaller crowd but I do have some comments from AJ the one this is one from Matt Breen of the Inquirer, my former colleague, great reporter, great writer. I just feel like I got to give Mattis Flowers. Good guy. Okay. You're giving me a note.

Nobody's disagreeing with you. I felt like, I felt like you guys are like, why are you going in for Matt so hard? You're only making it worse, by the by you. When you're gone and the line. Tell us who was not a good colleague. AJ Brown said, I'm still controlling the game. That's fired at AJ. Honestly, I should have just said Olivia.

Yeah. He said, I'm still controlling the game. I'm impacting the game without even touching the ball. Obviously, that's tough because you want to touch the ball, but I'm still helping my teammates get open. And he said on Jordan Schultz's podcast that came out today, I believe that he was basically covered in zone coverage the entire game and that he wasn't hurt.

He wasn't a decoy. It was just how the game went. So I think my takeaway listening to what AJ said in general is that because he did, He said he wasn't going to answer a few questions about like the self-scouting process and what they wanted to see from the passing game. He said that's a set up question. I'm not answering that.

He's being very careful in what he's, how he's talking about this game. Yeah, because he wants the freaking ball. Yeah, and I think he knows that that isn't helpful for the team right now. But I mean, again, we've talked a lot about AJ, the dynamic that AJ,

like the inner dissonance that he has when it comes to wanting to impact the game by being productive, but also realizing that sometimes it's, not going to happen out because of things he can't control and trying not to, I guess, whatever the word you want to use, rumble feathers over that. I think it's okay to acknowledge, like, the way that he spoke in the summer, the, you know, I want to put a stamp on this season that I'm the best wide receiver in football. I think it's okay for him to not be thrilled, even though they won the game that he only got

one target. That's fine. Like, that's probably how you want him to think. Yeah, I just think that it does create pressure for other people that he does. doesn't want to create. Sure. I think he's handling it well. Yeah, I agree. But I also don't think he has to be a happy soldier about it. Like, well, I think I think he does have to be a happy soldier to handle it well. It doesn't really benefit anybody for him to again, like ruffle feathers over something like this, right? Especially this early in the season. I think the, there's the difference between like the internal

yeah, versus the external. He's handling it externally the way that I think he, the organization, everybody would need him to handle it. Like he's doing everything exactly right. I do that to your point, like, it's also not, you don't want to just, when he gets in the car, he's allowed to be like, what the guy? Yeah, who's to say he isn't? And in meetings and stuff, like you have those conversations.

Like, I think that's perfectly fine. So yeah, if that's, but I also think the, the, uh, the context of what we talked about on Monday that like there really weren't a lot of there, it's not like there were turn downs in this game. No. There, and it also shouldn't be as simple as, well, they were in zone. and so I didn't have a lot of opportunities. Like they got to find a way to get in the ball in zone too.

To me, the thing that has been most overstated is like, oh, we don't want to force the ball to him. It's like there are ways to manufacture a touch for a guy. And to me, that doesn't seem like, I know the ego's offense was productive early in the game. So maybe you shouldn't nitpick, but it seems like it should be so easy to just get him the ball on a bubble screen on something.

It's quite the second half. He didn't touch the ball in the first time. First offense to play. Yeah, just be intentional about it. He's a good enough player to warrant that. Teams, when they go up and, Cincinnati Bengals know you got to stop Jamar Chase you go against the Vikings you got to stop Justin Jefferson

those teams find ways to get their guys to the ball. Yeah, I agree with that. We've talked about how the Eagle scheme sometimes lacks some of that. You know, it's like they are just it's like they have the privilege of being simple because of the talent they have but that doesn't mean that you don't get creative to feature the talent that you have. I think

we're all on the same page about it. Also, okay, so what are the, I think the the initial challenge that everybody thinks about when you go up against the Chiefs is they're going to blitz us, they're going to heat us up, And the Eagles did not fare very well against the Blitz last week. It didn't come until later in the game. Right. What do you expect the Eagles answers to be this time around?

Yeah, I think you're, you spend more of your time during the course of the week of practice preparing for the Blitz package this week than what you did the week before against Matt Eberflus. So I would expect that they'll be more better, better prepared for what the, for the extra defender inserting into the rush in this game. You know that it's going to come from a variety of angles. They've got lots of different ways that they can impact the quarterback with the extra rush. Really the big question here with this Chief's defense, ultimately, is can the secondary hold up when they do blitz? If you're going to play cover zero, if you're going to play cover one, if you're going to play three over two, however you're going to cover this from a coverage standpoint, do you have the bodies at safety and at corner to be able to hold up? They went out and they signed Christian Fulton to play corner. He was with the Chargers last year.

Had a solid year. They brought him in. He was injured for most of camp. So he was really only a dime player for them last week. they're hoping to kind of get him up to speed. That would allow Trent McDuffie to be able to slide inside full time at nickel or Fulton potentially to play nickel. They weren't able to do that last week.

So Sharmari Connor last year's nickel corner. He had to play in the nickel again this year. Again, they signed Fulton so they wouldn't have to always have to do that. So I think when you're looking at this at this secondary, the Eagles can attack that group. Trent McDuffie is a really good player. But when I look at like Jalen Watson, honestly, you know, so much was made after the Super Bowl of, oh, the Eagles defensive line, they just completely dominated the game.

I honestly looked, to me, the biggest mismatch was they could not cover AJ Brown and Devante Smith. They had no answers on the perimeter for those two players. So for me, that's a matchup where you can really take advantage here in this game.

Now, if Spags decides that he's going to, you know, call the dogs off, we got to make sure we cover ourselves in the back end, this Chiefs Rush did not fare well last week against the Chargers. The four-man rush was extremely disappointing. no matter like all the different, you know,

all the different like charting services and the different, even like the movement stuff. So you're like, you know, sumer sports and like things that are where they chart like past protection efficiency and like, you know, how those guys did the chargers, like three of the chargers starting five offensive linemen were like some of the best in the league

from like the win rate stuff. Now that said, I'll let you out. Real quickly, the Eagles fans were familiar with what that Brazil service is like and what that can do to a pass rush. until that last year with the Eagles. And so I am holding out a little bit of like, all right, like maybe don't, you know,

dig too deep of a hole for this Kansas City defensive. I can't believe in, in 2025, they're starting Jillery, Tillery. Yeah, they went and signed Tilly from Minnesota this past year, this past off season. Now, they went and traded for Derek Nottie right before the end of camp, who has been a player for them as a nose tackle. Tillery is like a, that's a Harry Roseman type move.

Right. We're going to go, let's bring a guy in that we know, signed a deal with the Jets to this offseason. They brought him back. Tilleri is a pure three technique. You can run right at him. But if it's passed down, he's their Tershan Wharton replacement.

Warton has been a good player for them. Now he's down in Carolina, signed a big contract there. He was getting Milton Williams. Did he? Yeah, I think tank warriors. He changed his first name. I didn't see that.

I haven't been following the other panther stuff as well as closely. But Wharton, I mean, he was third on their team in pressures. He was like third and sat. Yeah, he was here. I have it right here. to Sean Wharton, yeah. So he was third on the defensive line and snaps, pressures, and second and sacks

last year. So when you look at this defensive line, that is going to be a big question. Do they have anybody other than Chris Jones who can win one-on-one? Chris Jones is getting older, but he can still do it. Like he can get off the ball. He can win as a run defender. He can win as a rusher. So that's the other one.

You can't let him wreck the game if they decide they're going to go with a pure four-man rush. I appreciated that when you mentioned Sumer Sports, you kind of pointed at me because my guy Sean our guy Sean though Sean's the man he's my guy he's my guy why is it your guy my answer is not a good one we're the same age

we text a lot how does that mean I like I like Sean's great Sean no I like Sean I definitely am the superlative Sean fan at this table so Turk he didn't change his name to Turk but he goes by Turk goes by Turk now okay I do have a note

about the pressure looks pre-snap. You steal this from Sean? I did not steal this from Sean. I talked to Jordan Milata yesterday about handling the pre-snap pressure looks from the Chiefs and the challenge that being at Arrowhead presents for that. And he talked about how and walk-through they've really been going over cadence-wise in communication, like not overcooking stuff to keep it a family-friendly program because it is such a challenge

to like be able to communicate pre-snap in that stadium. So definitely an interesting thing to watch. What were you going to say? Impossible. Yeah, I think it was a Sean Syed thing. Oh, it was January. I go down the Shrine Bowl. I'm like, oh, like, you know, let's get together.

He offered a pick me up from the airport. Sean, I mean, just the best. Yeah, he's incredibly nice guy. Very interesting path to football. Sean, I know you're, you've been alerted to this conversation by now, so you're definitely paying attention. I could use another new movie recommendation, please. So I'm not going to ask you personally.

I want you to find out through this episode. Oh, why are you asking him for a movie recommendation instead of me? I think we know the answer to that one. Yeah. Now you know how I feel about restaurant recommendations. No, totally different. Anything else? I know that you talked about their secondary can be had.

Yeah, but if we go aside from, this is kind of silly because there's no Dallas Goddard. So aside from A.J. Brown, the next answer is Devante Smith. But is there any particular way? you think will make sense for the Eagles to attack. You know, I didn't think Brian Cook looked particularly strong this past week at safety, so that would be one where I'd like, you know, maybe there's a play where you can get

Grant Calcutara matched up on them. And I think that's something where Calcutara could win from an athletic standpoint. But I mean, I'm trying to just get those guys to get the receivers, get those guys worked in as often as you can. And how about Sequin, given all the effort that bags made to stop him

in the Super Bowl? Yeah, I mean, we saw a decent amount of that even just last week against Dallas. where they're going to start with a high safety shell and then late in the pre-snap phase. We're going to bring that safety down. That was something in Kansas City did at a really high level. Last week, Danez brought that up as something we could potentially see.

My guess is that the Kansas City is going to try and do that again? That would be my guess is that they're going to do what they can to try and make sure they keep Sequin from beating them on the ground. Big Darius Cooper game coming. Could be. Never know. Find out in Swooper. All right.

Let's get to Swiper, if we're ready. And we're going to start EJ by reviewing what happened last week. And before we get to that, we should note that EJ received a package today. And we can go to the super chat that we have here from Pov, who says a package was sent to the PHLI office, care of EJ on behalf of the sickos, a special tool that might help him during Swoper. Did he get it? I did get it. And there you go.

What a reveal this was when he opened. He had no idea that there was a package coming to him. And if you are listening on the audio, E.J. now has an abacus to help him. It will not surprise you that I have not used one of these before. Ever? I don't think so. I mean, maybe I just can't remember when I used it. Yeah, probably would have been before you were able to remember.

And I know how. I mean, I think it's pretty straightforward, right? Am I missing something? You're going to start with 31 turkeys. Let's see if you can get to get yourself 31. These have got to be 10, right? Yeah. Now, I will say, I appreciate the gesture.

Let the record show for the audio listeners that he has put up 21 turkeys instead of 31. I appreciate the gesture. Unfortunately, this is not an idea proof. This is in line with what I was going to say. The calculator is a perfectly reasonable thing to use in Swooper. Just to shut that part of your brain off, not have to worry about it. And it's more efficient than this, abacus.

I appreciate the gesture. because especially it means that somebody was listening that deep into the show. So, you know, as I get used to this new job, like, that is really like a show, like, it's very telling how much these people care about how much you guys make fun of me, which I appreciate. But the calculator is definitely a more efficient medium. I don't know. What do you mean? You don't know. It's definitely more efficient.

It's not more efficient. Using your mind is more efficient than having to plug the numbers in on your calculator. What if you mis-type? You got to say, what if you miss calculating your mind? It's subtraction from 24. To me, the calculator takes all the guesswork out of it. You just put it in.

You know, I've, right now, at the very least, you're talking to the swooper champion. No, no, that's not. There's no such thing as a champion. You were the leader. Week one champion. And there's no champion. Are the Eagles a champion for winning one game?

Okay. That's fair. Week one, winter and I got seven more turkeys on you this week. Yeah, it was a good start for you. I don't know if I need to change my process at all. Okay. But I will use it because it was very kind of all right. Well, if you are curious about how this week's swooper is going to go. You need to stick around for overtime. All right, E.J. I like the grizzly like overtime. Yeah. Yeah, I prefer. Overtime. There. Yeah. Or the full like over time.

Over time. When do you workshop? these. I don't. On the stuff. That's what I'm in there. Let me just standing in front of the mirror in the morning. I thought maybe on the drive-in. Not really.

I'm too busy listening to whatever your takes are so I can steal them. Last week, E.J., you debuted. Ben Van Van Sumeran has either a catch or a carry. Did not hit. Ben Van Van Zumrin plays at least three offensive snaps. Unfortunately, did not hit.

It would have both hit, too. And I'm only noticing now that just you know what, not everybody's perfect. It's worth noting that Danez wrote ban Van Sumeran. And so maybe this is what happened. He wrote ban. And he cursed him. He banned him from the NFL for the rest of the season.

In his mind, he knew that it was Ben. It was only in the typing that he just typed it. It's like using a calculator to do simple edition. I'm not going in for this one. No. E.J., you also had Jihad Campbell has an interception of forced fumble or two sacks. for now. As of now.

As of now that hit. And you had the Eagles have more runs of eight plus yards than the Cowboys have sacks. Cowboys had one sack. Eagles had, I believe, three or four runs of eight plus yards. So you hit on two items. Nice job. Thank you. I had Sequin Barkley has a run of 20 plus yards.

Did not happen. A.J. Brown and C.D. Lamb combined for fewer than 100 receiving yards. AJ did his part. Unfortunately, C.D. Lamb did not, did not hit. The Cowboys have the. lead at any point in the second half did not hit. And George Pickens and Devante Smith combined for more targets than C.D. Lamb and Dallas Goddardt. That's a big goose egg for your boy. Fran, Jalen Hertz, attempts at least 30 passes, did not hit. Sequin Barclay rushes for at least

100 yards. You spent 10 turkeys. Didn't happen. The Eagles will score at least 32 points. Didn't happen. The Eagles win. It did hit. But the Eagles win by double digits. You did not get that. And so for now, EJ is up 1-0. He will start today with 31 turkeys. I will have 27. Fran, you have 17. Is everybody ready to go? Now, the order this week...

Go through that number really quick. He said it was 7. I have 17. 17. I have 27. E.J. has 31. Got it. Yep.

The order this week goes, Fran, E.J., me. Then the din is once. Got it. Fran, you kick things off. I'm not going to remember the order. So him, then you, then me. then Danes. You're going second, fifth.

No, that's, don't, no, don't overcomplicate this. Put numbers in it. No more numbers. All right, six than ten. First submission here. Jalen Hertz has more total touchdowns and fewer giveaways than Patrick Mahomes. Both. Both have to hit.

Now, this has been the case in both of their Super Bowl matchups. Hertz has seven total touchdowns between the two games with two giveaways Mahomes six total touchdowns three giveaways over those two games we will start the bidding at three more total touchdowns and fewer giveaways

hmm it's the giveaways that are making me a little nervous on this one giveaway three going once three going twice a good early buy for Fran who wins it for three

down to 14. Over you, AJ. I don't keep track of how many turkeys you guys have. I can't do that. All right. My first entry is A.J. Brown has more than seven targets. For some context, in 2022, after Devante Smith went catchless in the season open against the Detroit Lions. He had exactly seven targets and seven receptions the following week, in which case I think they did really force feed him the ball.

early on. So I wanted to make sure I went high enough to bake in like the force feeding of AJ Brown to compensate for the lack of involvement in the, in the opener. We should have done something. I don't know if one of you guys has it on just how early he gets his first target. That would have been fun. Thinking back, I should have done something around that. I'm going to start the bidding at one. Two. I'll go three. Four. I'm going to go five. I get six. I got turkeys. Seven. Must be nice. Seven.

You know, it could be a low possession game. Devante's got to get the ball too, but there's no Dallas Goddard. You know, the past game runs. Seven going once. To those guys. Seven going twice. Sold. Give it to them.

Seven. All right. Here we go. All right. One. Two. Is that sex? All right.

You got it. Hey. Nice job, man. Thank you. Thank you. You know, with Francis, give you a sticker. Shout out to Francis. His adding and subtracting is probably better than mine. Yeah, listen, I've been out the game for a while.

Also, the abacus really pops on the on the, on. It's a fun proud. All right. I'm going for a couple, uh, Super Bowl callbacks here. Okay. First one is one of the defensive standouts from that game has a repeat performance. And so I'm, I'm going to be very specific here. Okay.

Cooper DeGine has. an interception. Zach Bonn has an interception. Jalick's Hunt has a sack or Jordan Davis has a sack. Those are the four things. Those guys all hit those marks in the Super Bowl. Any of the four of them repeats it. Who was the, so Dejean and Bonn.

DeGine Bonn interception. Jalick's hunt sack. Davis. Jordan Davis sack. And I will start the bidding at two. Three. Three going once. Wow.

You've got turkeys too. I mean, I'm just surprised. It seemed like you work so hard to make this one, and you're just going to... I didn't work that hard. Three going twice. Yeah, Fran, friend got... Friends got it.

Good value. Yeah, very good. We'll see. I mean, you really... What do you think is the most likely of those four? Jalick Hunt's sick. Jordan Davis sack could happen, too. Jordan Davis said, it's the only one that could happen.

I think Jordan Davis is probably would have been one for me, and then Hunt, and then the interceptions are just harder, more volatile. Yeah. that's fair all right our first day niz submission number four here as we go in friend has 11 turkeys ej has 27 i helped up 27 i just look how long this i got to move so i can read it the eagles do at least one of the following eight things at least one of the following eight things okay so this is also a super ball callback here as you thank you andrew uh score 40 plus points

complete five plus passes of 20 yards force three plus loss turnovers, get at least six sacks, score a defensive touchdown, have at least six consecutive drives without allowing a first down, that's not going to happen. Base five or more consecutive dropbacks that result in a sack or interception. That's not going to happen either. Or hold the chiefs to 20 consecutive unsuccessful offensive plays. So these are all things that happened in the Super Bowl. I would say that the most likely of those

maybe score a defensive touchdown? Yeah. Or five plus passes of 20 plus yards. The defensive touchdown perked my ears up a little bit, but... I'll start the bidding at two. Two? You did say two.

I'm just... You know, it's a number. It's tough. It takes a second to process. I mean, I guess I'll go three. Three going once? Oh, man. Three going twice.

Soul to E.J. Yeah, I mean, some of them could happen. A lot going on with that one. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. You get a lot of options. Yeah, but I think Dana's put this in as like a, I mean, it really was just to appreciate how crazy. Yeah, that's what it is.

He wants us to just remember just how impressive that performance was. All right, Fran, over to you. All right, let's go back to the A.J. Brown target discussion. A.J. Brown and Devante Smith both have at least four targets in this game. Now, both players combined for four targets, four catches, 24 yards in week one. First time that both AJ Brown and Devante Smith each had fewer than four targets in the same game.

Hertz targeted wide receivers on just seven pass attempts in the game. Jahan Dotson also had three targets. He targeted running backs and tight ends on 13 of those targets and had three throwaways. Just kind of a showing the dispersal there. So AJ and Devante both have at least four targets. Start the bidding at three. Five. I know that four is after three.

I wanted to escalate. Six. Seven. Seven. Nine. Ten. Eleven. He can't bid.

Nope. Eleven going once. Eleven going twice. Wow, that's premature on the avocas. What are you going to do about it? So, but honestly, you did almost bait me into going 12 there.

The abacus is actually just good for like the initial. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think it actually, like, you know, they're not everybody's a math whiz over here. There are probably some people at home who appreciate being able to keep track visually. Math whiz, as if we're doing trigonautary. I didn't get to trigonometry. Brian 11 turkeys, EJ, 10 turkeys.

I have 27, but no items yet. Go ahead, EJ. I mean, I guess for the listeners, you can tell them that we have 10. But if you're watching, you know, I got 10. That's true. Go ahead. Over to you. I told you I was going to lose track.

Jalen Hertz is sacked three or more times. Spent a lot of time talking about the chiefs how much the blitz, whether the Eagles can handle that or not. I didn't think that the Eagles looked particularly good against the blitz in the second half against the Cowboys. So I don't know. Not sure how to feel about that one. You're going to open the bidding?

I'm going to open the bidding at two. Three. I'm not going to let you have three. I'll do four. Three times is not that many. I'll say five. You know, five going once. It's all yours.

Five going twice. Sold. Okay. Over to me. Call back to the dagger. Devante Smith scores a touchdown of at least 30 plus yards. And I'll start the bidding.

I'll start it at 2. 30 plus. Three. Three going once. Three going twice. Sold to E.J. Wow. 30 plus is a big play.

It's a very specific. Yeah. I mean. Okay. Danes' is time. Jalen Hertz scrambles for more first downs than Patrick Mahomes. We talked already on this show about how they both had five in week one. And Danes also says this was a swooper item for Super Bowl Licks,

which hit when Hertz scrambled for three first downs and Mahomes scrambled for none. I'll start the bidding at three. Four. I'll go five. Six. Seven. Seven going once. Seven going twice.

Eight. Oh. Eight going once. Eight going twice. Sold to Fran. Have you ever counted and then just thrown in the last second bid? Are you actually like processing when you count? Deciding, yeah.

Okay. Okay. Over to Fran. Yeah. I don't know what's going to happen. It was an honest question. Yeah. An Eagles corner has an interception.

Quinnian dropped the interception. Are we going by where they line up? No, we're going by the listed position. Okay, so if Cooper de Gene is a safety base, if counts. Yes, correct. Okay. Yep, if Cooper deGene is a safety and base, this counts.

But if Drew McCuba is lined up as a nickel and dime, it doesn't count. Nope. Correct. Okay. Yeah, we got to get that. No, it's good. Yep. So Patrick Holmes is 4 and O in his career following back-to-back losses.

And in those four games, 10 touchdowns. He has thrown four picks. So one interception a game. But 74% completion in those games. He's usually been very good. By the way, where did you get that stat about Super Bowl guys that never faced off again? It's the first time in NFL history that two quarterbacks faced each other in a game that both have won Super Bowls against each other. Right.

Unique. Did you like go through that yourself? No, I've got a guy. You got a guy. Yeah, I got a person. Okay. Or a lady. Yeah. Okay. Or other.

Yeah. Okay. NFL media. So maybe other. We're going to start the bidding at two. Be nice for Dory Jackson to get an intercept. That's true. Yeah.

Redemption. Now he can't bid three, E.J. If you want to steal it for three. He only has three turkeys left. I might be saving my turkeys. Oh, geez. Two going, two going. I'll go three.

Three going once. Three going twice. Got it. Sold. Okay. Over to E.J. All right. I teased this earlier.

Fred Johnson takes at least one snap as a six offensive linemen. I will start the bidding. Now, hold on. What if they go super heavy and there are seven offensive linemen. He would count as number six. Okay.

Yeah, it counts. But a replacement snap does not count. Yeah, no. If he comes in attack, that does not count. Right. Okay. It's got to be the jumbo pack. And how are you starting the bidding?

I'll start your three to keep fran out of it. What if he lines up out wide? What if he's the fullback? Fullback? I feel like fullback doesn't count. I also. I mean, I feel like you should get the point if he's a fullback. How about he's on the field for an offensive snap while five other offensive

line where also on the field. Okay. That's probably more solid language there. That's a veteran move. Okay. I'm starting the bidding at three. At three. It sounds like insider knowledge to me. Yeah. Now this this is dirty.

80. Don't know. The feeling is extremely dirty. Yeah. Bagger. B a ass we got over there. Usually this is like results based not like you're in the game plan meeting room and you give inside information. I'll go four.

five you can't let him have this six seven all right you got it you know it kills me then I have turkeys you have no turkeys left I know

all right my final item the penultimate item of this week's swooper I don't remember what it is so let's see oh yes I call back to tank Bigsby so I want either the bad or the good from Tank Bigsby as the kickoff returner so either

tank Biggsby muffs or fumbles on a kickoff return at some point puts the ball on the ground after he's already touched it or he returns a kickoff beyond the Eagle's own 45 yard line. I thought about doing that second one

just as just on town. I'm glad to do this. We either get something funny, the bad or the good from Tank Bigsby, the kickoff returner. And I'm going to start the bidding at three.

So I get it. Yeah. All right. Sorry to be a... No. There we go. Exclusion. Here we go.

All right. So as we head into the final one from Danes, I have 16 turkeys, each has zero, and Fran has three. Loading up for next week. Or are you saving it for Dana's final entry?

I don't know. I know. I'm giving myself options. And we get Danes is now. Okay. The Eagles win the game by more points than the last number,

Andrew said at the moment the first player yells, swooper out. So the earlier, the first player says, swooper out, the more valuable The item becomes for the winner.

Okay. Yeah. More points. Are you counting up or counting down? Hold on. So the earlier and the first player says super out, the more valuable. Oh, okay. So you're going to start.

You're going to start, Andrew, at like, let's call it 30. And you're going to count down. and what we are doing is we are two people have to say swooper out so you're out of it and then when the second person says swooper out the third person the third person owns it for that much money yeah right borrowing from now hold on no that's how many earlier oh no I think you're cutting up the earlier the first person the more value oh no you're counting up I'm sorry okay you're counting up so you're going to start at one one two you're going to go up and then Then that's when the superout comes in.

Yeah. Got it. All right. You guys ready? I even do this one? No. Yeah, because you can borrow from next year. You can borrow from next year.

This is this last one you always can borrow from next year. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I apologize. Here we go. One, two, three, three, four, five, six. Super out.

Super out. It's so nerve-acking. All right, E. E.J., you got the Eagles got a win by at least. But wait, more, they got to win by seven, right? Yeah, I think we were that. We had out at six, a minute more. Yes.

All right. So you are down six turkeys, but you need the Eagles to win by seven points. And you've got a nice loaded roster here. I do. I have a lot. I need to win this week. Fran. Jalen Hertz has more touchdowns and fewer giveaways than Patrick Mahomes.

She's done every time he's faced against him. The Dana's repeat Super Bowl performance poopoo platter. and Jalen Hertz has more first downs from scrambles. No, I had the, I had the, I had your poopoo flatter, yes. Okay, I apologize. I just wrote repeat Super Bowl performance. Yep. And Jalyn Hertz has more first down scrambles than Patrick Mahomes. Yep.

E.J, you have A.J. Brown has at least seven targets. You have Danes's Super Bowl poo platter. You have AJ and Devante both have at least four targets. Devante Smith scores a touchdown of at least seven targets. least 30 yards. Fred Johnson plays at least one snap as a sixth offensive lineman and the Eagles win by seven. I don't know why I loaded up so much.

It seems like a mistake. You're trying to step on our neck. Heavy wears the crown, the fake crown that you gave yourself. Fake crown. And you have negative six turkeys. And then I have, Jalen Hertz has sacked at least three times.

An Eagles corner has an interception and the tank Biggsby kickoff for turn one and I have 16 turkeys left over. A lot of turkeys. well I'm gonna just start getting on the board at some point yep all right how do you feel out because man now I think you gotta slide the yellow ones at the bottom you gotta slide six over so we can just know that you know you're down six turkeys for next week

I don't think that's how this thing works I mean you can make it work however you want it to work no it's pretty straightforward I don't think how we're gonna get into negative numbers there is no negatives on it you can make them use start from the bottom push them over no I had plus six this week and I didn't do that. We will reconvene.

You didn't do that. I guess you did. Yeah, but I'm saying like I didn't have it like pre-established when I got in here. Because you didn't open it yet. It was open before the show. It was open before the show. I'm not messing with it. It's done its job. If I was using the calculator, the calculator would be closed by now.

I wouldn't have negative six in the calculator. Why not? All right. Good stuff, everybody. Thank you, Andrew. We will be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Day News will be in studio with us. And then, of course, we've got you covered on game day, full coverage,

before, during halftime and after the game for all of us here. We thank you for watching and listening. Oh, are there any more super chats that we didn't get to? I think there are, yeah. I think there are, right? Yeah. But days, the abacus, Alexander says, Swoopergate is the biggest scandal in sports.

There's no scandal here at all. Nothing to see here. Oh, I completely. Stat corrections. Yeah. By the way. It's going to be like week six. So you guys go, oh, no.

No. By the time you get to. Honestly, it should be done by tonight. If they make a change, you lose a half a point. Right. But we can move forward like out in the winner. We can do that. Fine.

Matthew Greenwood. I can't be the only one thinking A.J. Brown is hampered by the hamstring. And they just want to keep him as the defense's main event. He was jogging out there. I did think that he didn't look all the way right. But I also don't think that they're just going to have him being, a decoy that doesn't really make sense long term. And then Riley McCarthy says,

what's your concern level if AJ has no targets at the end of the first half? I mean, I'd be very concerned for my swooper chances. Yeah, if he doesn't have any targets first half, I think it'll be harder for him. And he's active? Yeah. And he's played the whole half.

And then they might as well trade him. Yeah. One quick note to reward the listeners who are still with us here. Xavier Worthy returned to practice with a sleeve and a heavy paddock. around his right shoulder according to Jesse Newell of the athletic the the the picture that I saw is very funny it's like it's like what's the guy's name it

the neighbor in a family guy where oh quagmire yeah it's crack my where he walks out of his house and his whole arm is all puffed up exactly what it looked like now we know how Xavier where they spent his time it's a long place He was doing it on the flight Wow HX That would be I look forward to the oral

history of that flight Oh man You didn't mean to sign off I'd rather not I'm magic down the aisle Are you doing it? I apologize. I shouldn't do it.

I should have to send it. Oh. I have to check the scouting apprile. I don't think he had sticky hands when he was a Texas. All right. Injuries. Saviors. Got an enlarged forearm.

All right, good way to close the show. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you. Like the mayor.