PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will Jihaad Campbell, Andrew Mukuba or another newcomer make the biggest year-one impact?

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

It’s time for the newcomer draft one year after the Super Bowl champion Eagles saw Saquon Barkley, Zack Baun, Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, C.J. Gardner-Johnson, Mekhi Becton and more make their presences felt early and often. This year, the newcomers on the Eagles are fewer and farther between, but with Jihaad Campbell, Andrew Mukuba, Ty Robinson and the likes of Azeez Ojulari, Kenyon Green and others new to the nest, it’s time to guess who makes the biggest impact. Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf draft it up. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A year after the Eagles were propelled to the Super Bowl, thanks in large part to the year one contributions of rookies and free agent signings. We are looking ahead to 2025 to figure out which newcomers are likely to make a big impact in year one with Fran Duffy and Zach Berman coming up next. The P.HLY Eagles podcast closing out a big week on a Friday afternoon. Presented by True Mark Financial. We've got Fran Duffy. We've got Zach Berman.

How you guys doing? Ready for the weekend? What do we got, what have got planned? Doing great. I'm excited. It's Francis's birthday. Happy early birthday, Francis! Yes, there we go. We got a whole big weekend planned out. It'll be fun. Very, looking to end. Speaking of the suns, we got to read here. Yes, I have read here. He loves our studio.

It's like he thinks it's the coolest thing, what we do here. I think it would be funny if out of an ad break, he took your spot. The insight might be better. But this weekend's going to spend time with family. I'll be down the shore a bit and then I'll celebrate my anniversary, nine years. So excited for that. Thank you. Thank you.

It's next week, but I didn't want to burn a workday celebrating it. Even though that was the original plan. That was the original plan. You efforted to make sure. Yeah, we'll celebrate it on Sunday night. And so that like. The mental gymnastics here, Fred, wait until you hear this. No, it's better for the kids that way, right?

Right, sure. Yeah. I'm sorry you have to suffer through Memorial Day this weekend. No, I love it. First off, Memorial Day is a great holiday. And yeah, but excited for the show today. All right. I'm excited about this episode that can see for this,

because I think it's a good framing. What we want to do is we're going to draft the players that we think are most likely to make an impact this year on the Eagles. And it's interesting to think about because last year, I mean, so many players who, were brand new to the team. And if you want to expand it beyond players, coaches as well made a huge impact. And as I was making this list for us for this episode, you know, we're going to do four rounds. So it's going to be 12 players. I mean, after like, who's number three? I don't know.

And then there's like a draw. Who's number six? I don't know. But you think about last year, I mean, Vic Fangio, Kellyn Moore. I'm just going to run down all the names. And obviously there's, there's a variety of impacts here. Kenny Pickett, Sequin Barkley, Wilshire. Shipley, Jehan Dotson, Johnny Wilson, Paris Campbell, C.J. Usama, Mackay Becht, Bryce Huff, Thomas Booker, Zach Bonn, Devin White, Orrin Berks, Jalick's Hunt, Jeremiah Trotter Jr., Quinn, Jinn, Isaiah Rogers. Some of those players were expected to have bigger impacts than they did. Some of them were huge surprises like Zach Bond, but you just think of the entirety of that contribution. We are not expecting that from the newcomers this year, but

it was a huge part of what sent the team to the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, if you you would have sat here a year ago. It would have been, Devin White would have been one of our first three or four players. I think it would have been Bryce off one, Sequin, too. Right. Yeah, right.

And probably Devin White, like three or four after that. And so, you know, he ends up not playing a snap. And Zach Bond goes on that being all pro. He would have been like eighth or ninth on that list probably. Yeah.

If even. If that, yeah. But it also illustrates a point that I've made and I'll probably continue to make too often this offseason, which is I kind of differ than, you know, maybe what some fan sentiment,

or some talking head sentiment is that this team got a lot worse in that their best players are all back for the most part, right? Now, they did lose some key guys, but they didn't lose any of their 10 best players to the point that the players that, like, you're looking at the incoming players, it's not that only one or two of them have these big holes they need to fill. Yeah, it's interesting.

I actually also went through the exercise of the players who were gone, like how many snaps they played, who are the guys they have to represent, place the most. We can get into a little two can you name guessing game on that front? But some of them have, you know, in-house replacements. Some of them don't. I don't know that I would

necessarily say that like they didn't get worse, but it's not that doesn't mean they made the wrong decisions. It's just that, you know, you got to make some bets. Sure. Yeah, I just, I stand by it that if you write down the 10 best players in last year's team and

they're all back. That's probably right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. You want to get into this? Let's do it. Let's get right into it. How are we deciding draft order? Good question. Bree, how should we do it? Hmm.

Should we do with a triple rock paper scissors? Lottery? Yeah. We do the triple rock paper scissors shoot at our house all the time. It's never good. But let's do it. Or should we do, what is it? How do you play seven up again?

I don't even remember. That would require one of us standing up. Yeah. All right. Triple, how do you play triple rock? Yeah, how do you? Whoever has the... Yeah, whoever...

Well, let's just see how it goes. We'll figure out, ready. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, see, this is what happens. We've got to go again. All right. This is great podcast. All right.

So you're eliminated. Yeah, so I'm out. It's between. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. All right. You got the paper.

Okay. You go first, I go second. You go third. Yep. And we'll make it a snake. Snake. Okay. Now, just for how you guys went about this,

you're not thinking who's going to play the most snaps. No. You're thinking. Biggest impact. Real impact. Yeah, exactly. It's going to make the biggest difference on wins and losses. Yes, exactly.

So with the number one choice in the newcomer draft. You know, I didn't come up with a good bird pun for this. I should have. It's a Friday in May. Bluecomer. Perfect, flucomer. Jihad. I'm going with Jihad Campbell.

Okay. And I say this because the talent's there, I believe. Sure. The role, the potential role is there. The variable here is the injury. I don't know. when he's going to be right. We'll find that out during the summer.

But I think that there's a, if he is healthy enough, day one, he's your day one starting linebacker next to Zach Bond. And then I think I don't belittle the pass rush upside that he has. I think the Eagles drafted him to have a major role day one or year one with the team. He would have been number one on my board as well. Yep. I still kind of need to wait and see about the pass rush. I don't know if I really think that they think

that's going to be his year-one impact. I don't know. I think a lot is probably going to depend on when he gets on the field. Now I say that, and a year ago, Cooper DeGine didn't get on the field. Until week five, yep. Until week five, but he was awesome.

So I think the fact that we all believe that Vic, Fangio is a huge Jihad Campbell fan tells you that he's going to get on the field whenever he is ready to get on the field. And yeah, you know, I think, I don't want to speak for you. I would imagine you were probably,

probably between him and Andrew McCuba with the first pick here. Precisely. Number one and number two at my last. And so, like, I think Andrew McCuba is going to play more snaps, probably. He has a more definitive role, assuming he's going to win that job. But I believe that Jihad Camp was going to, if he is what they think he is, is going to make a bigger difference to the team. Yeah, I think when you look at, like, overall impact and opportunity,

injury aside, and that's the big thing about it. That's why that was the only thing that gave me pause about whether or not he was going to be number one on my board was, you know, all right, how late into the season are we talking where he can insert it into the field, or into the lineup? But, I mean, when you talk about the quality of impact, what he can do in the run game? And then if there's that pass rush upside, yeah, he would have the greatest impact of this group. You think about the places where they have to replace guys who left. And I sort of include Nacobi Dean and guys who left here because, you know, we don't know what we're going to see from him. I think it would be unrealistic to expect

Andrew McCuba to be better than C.J. Garner Johnson as a rookie. I think he could, you That's within the realm of possibilities, but you're hoping you're going to sort of hold serve there. I think it's unrealistic to expect that whoever, like between Morrow Ujima and more snaps for Jordan Davis, you're going to get better than Milton Williams. I think they'll still be fine, but you're, again, hoping to hold serve.

Probably the same with Joshua. And I think we'd probably underrate how good Nicobuddin was when he was healthy last year. I think he was really good. But I think this is the one place where, if Jahad Campbell hits, he could be or should be better than Nick Kobe was. Yeah, I think that's the the upside there is greater than I think what Nikobe didn't it. And Nikobe was awesome last year. It was rock

solid. But I think that when you look at what his skill set is, there's more reason to be excited about the upside with Jahad Campbell. If I can ask you quickly on Jahad Campbell, because you're plugged in here, is you're understanding that the questions in the league were about when he would be healthy enough to play this season or the long-term health, because those are two different questions. Both. Both. Yeah. To me, like there were teams. So is it fair to say the shoulder was short term,

the knee was long term? Yeah. I think the shoulders, people were viewing the shoulders is potentially long term as well. You don't remove a guy off the board unless it's long term. Right. So he was, he was off the board for numerous teams. And so yeah, those are the teams were like, yeah, we're worried about like the long term ramifications here and the long term viability of the shoulders and the potentially the knee. But then I would say pretty much everybody was like, all right, like, he's saying that he's going to be ready this summer. But, But you know, you kind of have to wait to let that play out. It's kind of like the Miles Jack situation when Miles Jack was coming out of college,

not when Miles Jack was with the Eagles, like a top 10 talent who fell to the second round. And Miles Jack... One day would be signed just like when the Eagles signed. Gamick and Sue and Lynn Ball Joseph. He was just like that. Miles Jack had like five productive seasons in the NFL before, you know, the longevity wasn't there. So just something to keep in mind.

Yeah. Okay. I think that was the right pick and a good discussion at this. start. Okay, I'm going to give you this, this two, Ken, you now, to frame this conversation. So I want you guys to guess the 10 most snaps played, including the playoffs by departed players, including Nogh Bekine from last year. Number one, I would say C.J. Garner Johnson. That's correct.

No. Number two, I would say Darius Slay. No. He's number three. Okay. Mikey Beckton, I would say, is number two. Yep. Okay.

So then three is. Three said sleigh. Slay. Four, I would say he's Nicobi Dean. Correct. It's almost like you wrote a book about this. Five, I would say, is Josh Sweat. Correct. Six. Six, I would say, is Milton Williams.

Correct. Seven, I would say is, I'm deciding between Isaiah Rogers and Avante Maddox. We're going to Isaiah Rogers. It is Isaiah Rogers. Okay. I'm doing better than I anticipated here. It's very impressive. Eight.

Eight, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Ante Maddox here, but that might be a bit of a stretch. Maddox missed time last year. Are we just thinking offensive and defensive snaps? Yeah, I'm not counting Rick Levato. Okay. Let me. Coach's pet, maybe.

What's that? Coach's pet maybe. Oh, yes, good one. Can he gain well? That is correct. Okay, I worked. Look at that. Actually, it's actually

Gainwell is, no, it is not Gainwell. Gainwell is number 10. Okay. So we're looking for nine. And eight. And nine and eight. Yeah.

You said, you said Avanti. Avanti. Is nine. Okay. So I need eight. Yeah. And.

Well, who are the remainder? So you have Oren Berks. Mm-hmm. Oh, Brandon Graham. Oh. Yeah. It's actually Orrin Berks

over Brandon Graham. Is that? Okay. Interesting. That surprises me. Including the playoffs. Oh, including playoffs. Yeah.

Okay. But that's all, I mean, that's a lot of guys who played a big role. And then you sort of go down the list of, okay, who's replacing those guys. And all of that is to say, I think Andrew McCuba is going to be the starting safety week one. And again, I don't know that it's realistic to expect that they're going to make an improvement there. But maybe you hope that year two of, you know, the two corners and maybe read Blankenship taking on a little bit more. an extra role, you're able to get by there. And listen, maybe Andrew McCuba, the hope is a little bit more reliable than C.J.

Garner Johnson with a little bit less big play upside. Yeah, I think the absence of C.J. is enormous. I mean, on the record, I thought he was a big addition last year. There's the proof of concept in terms of the before and after with C.J. We saw what they were before. We saw what they were after. I think they're going to miss him. And it's the move that I'm most critical of that they made this offseason.

And I'm not saying Drew McCuba can't fill that. But I think that's – Is it Drew? He wants to go by Drew? He wants to go by Drew. Okay. But the team hasn't changed it on the roster, but he did say he wants to go by Drew. Well, then I got to respect that.

Drew. The way I kind of view it, I would almost like caution Eagles fans on this is to remember how much of an anomaly last year with Quinnian-Witchell and Cooper DeGime, both playing for the level that they did is so abnormal for rookies to do right out of the gate. So I would expect, look, the way I look at McCuba, when he, if he hits his ceiling, I think that he is a steadier coverage presence than C.J. Gardner Johnson. I think that he is a better zone coverage player, a better tackler, like in terms of like, you know, being able to come down hill consistently and take good angles and all that.

the expectation for a rookie rookie safety is that like yeah it's going to take some time that said like that secondary was just so well coached last year so it would not shock me if he came in and like hit the ground running either

sealing aside who's the better player on May 23rd Drew McCuba or Sydney Brown if they were playing a game tomorrow not based on understanding just like the talent level that the player has right now Maccuba yeah Maccuba yeah if like you know

If game plan and all that stuff was out, yeah, I would say McCuba. Look, and we'll get to it at some point here today with one of the newcomers. But if neither Sidney Brown nor Tyler Steen start, that's a tough look at that. Now, they ace the first round, you know? They got Jalen Carter. I think it's okay. I mean, it's not ideal for both of those third round picks to have lost jobs. But I also think like middle outcome.

You don't hit everything. Getting like a top backup when the third round is probably okay. Like there are worse outcomes, especially when you nailed the first round. Sure. If Tylerstein becomes a low-end starter, high-end sixth man, I think that's a fine outcome for that pick. Right, right. I think the Sidney Brown one was, because they really went out on a limb on that one,

and they were sort of puffing their chest out on that one. That was their Red Star player. I also think it's probably fair to say that like scheme change at that position makes as much of an impact as most positions. Agree. And injury, when you're that twitched up, and you get the injury, it affects you. I still, I still, I would have liked to see him play more

his rookie year. You know what I mean? Like when they were, you know, in service of having the team best at the end of the season, instead of dilly-dallying with Kevin Byrd and whoever else, I think that might have, I wonder if it would have worked out differently. All right, over to you, Fran. Make your number three overall pick, then we'll go to Brayette.

and give you a chance to think about number four. Sure. I'm going to go with Kenyon Green here. The guard that they acquired in the trade where they sent Chaunty Gardner Johnson to Houston. I mentioned it, was it earlier this week, last week, whenever it was. I have more juice for Kenyon Green right now than I did about Mackay Beckton a year ago.

I did it to me like, you know, going back through his film, the highs are really, really impressive. This guy is outstanding from an athletic standpoint, from a movement standpoint. The things that I'm envisioning like Jeff Stoughton being able to do with him on the run, I'm very excited to see that, but he doesn't sacrifice, like,

movement and strength and power when you have that athleticism. That's why this guy goes in the top 15 of the draft. I mean, what he can do from a mobility standpoint is great, but some of the combo blocks, like the ability to just kind of uproot a defensive tackle, get him off his spot,

and get up to the linebacker level, was really impressive. Now, the lows were pretty bad last year. That said, like when I was going back through, like the sacks and the pressures allowed by that Houston offensive line, you know, this was stern free agency, is a, you know, after the, the trade. A lot of that was, I have no idea what the protection call is here.

And they made the changed offensive line with the offensive line coach. The center was kind of a turn style last year where it was a couple different guys that played at that spot. They moved on from Tunsell. They moved on from Green. Now there's been talk like, all right, what did Green like put his best foot forward in terms of, you know, being able to approach that from a like professional standpoint, you know, stepping in there as a first round pick to handle that job. Like that's something he will have to make sure. But the same thing was said about Beckton last year.

And so I think that when you're looking at Kenyon Green, I honestly thought about putting him in my top two for the rankings in this list. I think that there's something. I don't think that's crazy. He could play every single snap, the same way Beckton did. He was my number three. Was he your three? He was my three as well.

Okay. Now, are you, where are you turkey-wise on him versus Tylerstein winning the red guard job? 6040? Maybe. Yeah. 65-35? I think that, yeah, I might go like, yeah, 60-30. 30, 10 or something like that.

Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, right. But, yeah, I think he is most likely to be the starter. And I think that's because we are colored by the Bechtin experience, having seen Jeff Statland take the very talented ball of clay and get the most out of him. It's not a, it's not a sure thing. And I think we're also keeping in mind that Tyler Steen has had a chance to win these jobs here before and hasn't. Yep.

But yeah, so you're telling me that a lot of the negatives you saw from Kenyon Green last year, could be easily cleaned up in a more professional. I thought so. Based off what I saw, now it wasn't every single negative, but a lot of the stuff where you would attribute, like, oh, this is a negative play by Kenyon Green, I would say, like, yeah,

there were extenuating factors in different circumstances there where I could, like, point the finger somewhere else and say, like, this wouldn't be the case in Philadelphia. Now, let me ask you, if you think that the Eagles are going to maintain this run-first personality, Yep. Does that play into Kenyon Green's favor versus Tyler Steen? Is that fair?

I mean, they're probably not going to make the decision based on that. But no. If it's all tied and one guy's a, is it fair to say he's a more mauling run blocker and maybe Tyler Steen is a little bit more polished as a pass protector? Yeah, I think Steen is probably a little bit more polished. But I think that his tools are still outstanding enough where I'm not like, you're not, to me, like,

I thought that Steen was a clearly a better pass protector than Bechton. Whereas when I look at, Kenyon Green versus Steen? I think it's a closer battle there. Bo, you nailed last year the order of operation, how that was going to go. You're like, they're going to start off with Steen in there. What? Yeah.

And you're like there's going to be a day when like, you know, Steen gets banged up. They're going to say, you know, just for numbers, we're going to look at Bechton. And then they're going to be like, he was just so good. We can't take him off the field. What's your expectation for how this is going to look? Do you think it's going to be green, Steen back and forth? Do you think it's going to be the same type of thing as last year? It's a good question.

I would say that I don't feel like I have quite as good of a pulse on it this year. But I kind of, I don't know. I guess I kind of think that it will be in every other day, which is usually what Stoughtland does. And Steen will get the first day because of the holdover. And then, you know, week three of camp, it'll just start to be green every day. Yeah.

That would be if I had to predict, but I don't feel as sure about it. Yeah, I think the pathway for green would, be if there's like a day in there when lane or jordan aren't there and they're like we're we just want to see tyler at tackle here just because we're preparing for every contingency so kenyans yeah i could see that and then and then they're and then stouts you know he's he's very animated stouts like i saw him in there and it's wow he popped he popped i can't you know you have to use your eyes yeah so it's it could be like and listen i do think that that is probably

i mean that that is a good outcome for tyler steen if he's your top back of four positions And I think he could do that. He's a very smart player. So I think that that's very reasonable. And that's not a bad thing. No. But yeah, I mean, there's a reason, just tools-wise, not to lean too heavily into the draft pedigree,

but he went in the third round and Kenning Green went in the first. And then like top 15. Yeah. Nothing wrong with leaning in the draft pedigree, bow. Lean in. I mean, to be aware of draft pedigree, take it for what it's worth, but don't make that the only thing you care about. That's all.

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I felt like there is a, I felt like there was an easy pick here. And then after this, I felt like, man, where do I go? I'm with Bo. My top, actually, no, my top five, I was able to get. Okay. So there was a drop off. I felt a top four.

Let's drop off from me after five. Over to you. Ty Robinson. Interesting. Nebraska. Just because I think from a snap standpoint, you mentioned all the snaps that they lose with, he's going to have a role.

He's going to have a role. I feel. I feel good about his ability to step in and have a role as well. You know, this is a guy that I think we are, there's no question about the floor with Ty Robinson. I feel good about his ability to come in, make the roster, and can contribute early on. And so I think Ajama steps up and it takes on more of that Milton Williams role. Someone's got to take on, you know, backfill that. And I think that's going to be Ty Robinson. His versatility, I think will help, his ability to impact the run in the past. I think will be well, well welcomed in this Vig Fangio scheme. And, you know, listen, we'll

poke fun at the age, but when you're drafting a guy in the fourth round who is that old, you're expecting him to contribute right away. And I think there's every expectation that this is a guy who is polished enough that he is expected to be a part of the week one rotation. And probably I mean, immediately fourth in the rotation.

I guess he's fighting with Thomas Booker, but I would say that the turkeys are in him. Yeah, and Booker, he's obviously going to get some of those nose tackle snaps behind Jordan Davis. And that's not where I think Ty Robinson is going to make his hay. So I think when you look at it, I think there's a very clear path to playing time for Ty Robinson. What number was he on your list?

He was number five. He was five on mine as well. Actually, he was like number six on mine. Interesting. So I thought he was in that group of five. Interesting. That's pretty clear. Is it?

But so that's his role in terms of how he performs. I mean, that's sort of comparable to where Morrow Ujima was last year. Do you expect that he will be better than last year's Ujima? No, I think a little bit less effective. would be my guess, especially as a rookie. Who knows, maybe he's able to, you know, hit the ground running in that way. But, yeah, we talked about the profile, I think, with Robinson.

I get a little worried about the, and we're still a little bit early in the days of like the 60-year seniors that are coming into the NFL, but the 60-year who didn't produce until that 60-year, that does worry me a little bit because that's where, to me, like, the age is like it's even more magnified. You know, it's more, you talk about like the downside. of an older player. This is a guy who didn't

really dominate the college level until he was 23, right? And so at a position, by the way, where like, yeah, he can physically just manhandle the guys across from him and take advantage of going up against younger players. He is three years, I'm sorry, three and a half months older than Moro Ojima.

There you go. There go. Interesting. That could be a new one. I don't know if we wouldn't need to mention that every day. Ty Robinson, who happens to be three and a half months older than Moro Jemma. Let's start the streak. But that's all, that's speaks to Beau's point about drafting younger guys.

It's like you look at where Moro Ojima is in his development curve. He was so young when they drafted him. Now he's stepping into a big role with the team at age 23. All right. I will take the free agent who they spent the most money on here. And there is obviously some injury risk. He has struggled to stay on the field. But if you get a half season of Azizzo Jalari,

I think there's a good chance that he makes a bigger impact than, any of these guys who comes after. And I do think that if he is healthy, you know, he's going to be pushing for snaps, maybe to, you know, Nolan Smith is awesome. He's got proof he can stay healthy. Jalick's Hunt was freaking awesome in the playoffs. He's got to show that he can do that in the regular season.

I think there's a chance that Azizzo Jolari ends up having a bigger impact than maybe we expect and is one of their go-to third-down pass rushers. Yeah, I mean, he was fifth on my list. And the reason why I had him in the same tier as Robinson was honestly the injury. Yeah, totally. And honestly, that's the reason you're able to get him for $4 million. Exactly.

And honestly, like, I was a little, remember, I was very high on him. I was a little underwhelmed watching the film from last year. And so I think that, yeah, that might have soured me a little bit on the Ojolari upside here, moving into this year. I feel like Hallie Roseman in 2014 right now because I had five guys. And now I'm drafting sixth, then it's like, well, I do. It's a little different. No, I know. Yes, of course.

Because I agree. He was fourth for me. And I'm bullish on him. I'm less enthused about the overall edge rushing group. And so I think he's going to have to play and contribute. I think it's ambitious to expect J.O.X. Hunt to be like major, major contributor. I just, they have two guys right now who are coming back. Azizur Jalari is going to have.

to play or they're going to have to add somebody. If Azizzo Jalari is not a contributor, I don't know where the past rush is coming from. I mean, we'll get to Josh Uche, but they just don't have enough guys at that spot. So I did think now, unless, you know, Jahad Campbell contributes there, I had always thought throughout the offseason, their edge rushers coming in the draft. Their edge rushes coming in the draft. And so the fact that their edge rusher didn't come in the draft. until pal Rylind.

That's why I kept thinking Campbell has to be an edge rusher because it's such an important thing and they don't have bodies right now. Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. All right,

over to you for six overall. Yeah, so I'll just stay true to my board. Man, we are like perfectly on time. Halfway through the draft, unbelievable. I'll stay to my board, but I have no, because everything's cluttered here. This is where if I was the GM,

I would trade down. And I'm like, I can get my guy here. If one of us can trade up, It takes two to tango. Otherwise, you've got to go a position preference. Yeah, so I'm going to go Adori Jackson. And he was next for me as well.

And I'm going to Doree Jackson, not because of, like, the player that he is, but there's a certain, there's a reliability that he brings to a position there where there are a lot of questions, a lot of young players. They want to have that veteran safety net, if you will, and he provides that. I think it was Fran who said the inside outside. is overstated, or maybe it was Denez. Yeah, Denez, the inside outside. But you would think with that skill set

at that age that he's able to do both if you need him to do so. And I mean, it is very important for them to have a hedge for Kili Ringo. And he is their insurance plan because if Kiel Ringo is not ready to be every down player on the outside, Adori Jackson has done it,

maybe not at the highest degree possible, but he is a nice little, floor for them to have. I guess this exercise is the answer to this question, but I was going to ask who do you have more faith in for this fall being able to contribute Adore Jackson or Mac Mac Williams? But you guys both had Adore this high. So then I guess that answers that question. Yeah, I do. And I feel like McWilliams is sort of on the, like the Keeley plan where I think they're going to expect him to be a special teams. Okay. May, Ace, year one, and then hopefully compete for a job year two. Interesting. What about you? You, I want to say,

Yeah, I'll see how the summer plays out. I haven't talked to anybody about it. But, yeah, I, again, I liked Mick Williams for being a third or fourth corner. And so this is the role that he's got, the ability to kind of compete for with this team. I'm interested to see how it plays out. Now, we haven't talked about this yet. And I see I see wannabe GM in the chat. We have talked about this on bluesky.

But the, you know, the pumping up of Jahan Dotson in week 18, a lot of that success came against the Dori Jackson. in a game in which it looked to some people like the Giants were throwing that game. And they had Jackson out there. And they had a Dori Jackson out there just like purposefully not covering him. This was a point I wanted to make on the show. I'll make it now with Jackson.

The challenge with a lot of these one-year lottery ticket veterans is the ranges of outcomes or the range of outcomes is it could go from being cut before the seasons to like being. being Patrick Robinson and being a key contributor, you know. Absolutely. When there's, because typically when there's money associated with the deal, you're like, all right, he's going to be on the team.

With these guys, you don't know, like the tight ends. You don't know if they're going to be on the team at all. AJ Dillon, you don't know if he's going to be on the team at all. But then there's also this pathway to use Darrell Moore's words. If you squint, like, okay, I can see why he would have a big role here. Yeah, I mean, guys could show up in camp and you could, they're just totally lost. Like they don't have it anymore.

Or, to your point, yeah, I mean, you could get Patrick Robinson. You could get the reclamation project that hits. And so, yeah, I mean, a lot of this is total guesswork. Okay. All right, before we get to round three, Zach, when you are back on the board, let's take some time to check out our super chats and what we're going to call The Big Deal presented by the good folks at Kia of Cherry Hill. A lot of love for Jersey on the episode today.

The Big Deal, what do we have on the Super chats? from Gris. Hey guys, starting a tradition of traveling to one Eagles game a year. Here are my top options for this year.

The home opener have yet to visit Philadelphia or the link Green Bay and L.A. His thoughts. Now, you know that we have a contest

where you could win a trip to Green Bay. We'll get to that in a little bit, but I feel like if you haven't been to Philadelphia, come to the home opener after they won the Super Bowl

against the Cowboys. Yeah, so I was, I was going to say to Gris, because I was going to say the same thing about the trip, but it doesn't sound like you're local. Exactly. So you have to be local for that Green Bay trip. Or at least you want to be, you have to be able to fly out of Philly.

That's true. Yeah, I mean, coming to a game in Philly would be the way to go if you've never been here and you're an Eagles fan. If you're just looking at road destinations, now Green Bay, I mean, Green Bay should be a bucket list item for devoted football fans once and not more than once. It's hard to get to. If you're looking for the big deal here, it's expensive to get there. It's expensive to, it's a harder trip, but it's an awesome experience.

Los Angeles, I am with you, Gris, man. That is, that stadium, it's like the eighth wonder of the world. It is incredible. It's an incredible place to watch a game. It is, yeah, it's a real cool place. And then there's so much they do in L.A. There's all these different neighborhoods where you have good food, you know, food from all around the world there.

The Intimate Dome. The Intuit Dome. Yes, which is an awesome place to watch a basketball game. If you go, yeah, so I would say L.A. Now, I think, too, if you look at this year's road trips, I mean, Buffalo would be cool. You know, it's there last year in that stadium. So this, if you want to see a football game there,

is your last chance to do it. This is very easy, Gris. I'm not sure where you live, but the answer is you get a one-way flight, you fly to Philadelphia, you have fun at the Eagles game, you celebrate with all the Eagles fans, the Super Bowl,

and you bop on over to Cherry Hill, get yourself in the new Kia and drive home. There you go. Look at that. Why not? What a plan. All right. You are up top of the third round, Zach.

Top of the third round. Seven overall. And I can't trade down. Give me AJ Dillon. Interesting. Yeah. And again, he might not make the team. Yeah, I'm actually not on my board. And Will Shipley is going to be the number two running back, I think.

But there's a proof of concept here. I think that's the second time I've used that phrase on the show. I don't want to ever use it. But A.J. Dillon's been successful in this league. I mean, he was an 800-yard rusher. And the Eagles don't have much depth there. I think, you know, they have some intriguing undrafted guys, Montreal Johnson, someone who,

We should watch Torren Camp, but they don't have, like, there's a clear pathway for AJ Dillon to make the team. If A.J. Dillon's on the team, he's not on the roster for special teams reasons. He's on the roster for depth running back. Saquan Barkley was remarkably healthy last year, given his history. If he's not out there, I don't think Will Shipley is going to be like an every downback. So I would imagine A.J. Dillon contributes in those situations. Here's a question for you. Yes.

Do you think that AJ Dillon is the eagle who was most adversely affected by the tush push sticking around? No, I don't. Because I don't think they were going to run the ball on those. I think it was just going to be quarterback sneaks. I don't think it was going to be, let's just give it to AJ Dillon here. I think it was going to be quarterback sneaks. So no, I don't. But I guess the eagle most adversely affected by it, well, I suppose, you know,

John Hertz is going to have people landing on him all the time. He was going to sneak anyways. So it's a good question. I got to think about that. Do you think they're more motivated to run more sneaks slash pushes now that the rule was upheld? Or less, like, would they have run more regular sneaks to prove how, hey, we could still do it without the push had it been taken away? I think there is going to be a little defiance there. I think so, too.

And just listening to Jason Kelsey this morning on WIP, because it's, you know, it's. was framed to him, do you think the bigger threat to the push, the host Joe to camera, I'll say their names. I hope they would say our names when they talk about our shows too. I hope so. His theory is that

the bigger threat isn't teams stopping it. It's teams learning how to do it as effectively as the Eagles. And Jason was, and he's like, and that's what will cause the push push to go away. And Jason's like, I disagree. It's someone getting injured. He's like someone's going to get injured and that's going to be what's going to cause it to go away.

And so I think that, and Jason's like it's not a dangerous play, but it's football. Like someone's going to get injured at some point, and that's going to be. Then they can point to it. That's going to be the smoking gun. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we are in real no man's land here for this draft. So I'll make my pick and then we'll go to break and I'll let you have your double-year friend.

But I'm actually going to go off my board, not off my board, but I'm going to jump a player up from where I had them ranked. Because the two guys ahead of them, I'm not even convinced. they're definitely going to make the team. Whereas I'm going Smile Mondin Jr. Ooh, interesting. Who is going to make this team. And I think there is an outcome where if Jahad Campbell is really hampered

and not ready to play early on, I think it's reasonable that Smile Amundan Jr. could outplay Jeremiah Trader Jr. in camp and be the week one starting linebacker. That's a good point. Yeah, I like this. And I was, I mean, he's, I imagine he's going to be a core four special teams player, although we expected that from Trada Jr. And he wasn't early on last year.

Smile Mata Jr. was described to me internally have thought of as those years when we were really hairy at linebacker with like Nate Gary starting and Alex Singleton starting. Joe Walker, linebacker. Smile Monde would have started for those teams. It's great point. And he's probably not going to for this team.

But if the eventuality is that they need a guy, I think it could be Smile Monde Jr. So I think he's going to be a player who Eagles fans are familiar with this year, which is seventh overall in this draft is good enough. I like that pick. You convinced me and yeah, you're absolutely right in that

a fifth round linebacker from Georgia who started at Georgia should be in consideration of play. I mean, there was a period of time when the Eagles were starting Jamar Cheney and Brian roll like rookies who they took in the sixth

round, seventh round linebackers, right? It's a position where I will never not do that when I hear Brian Rolls there's not the same resistance to playing that there are some other spots right I thought you're reasoning behind it too where there's the path to him getting early playing time I think that that that sticks as well okay let's take a quick break and then we'll find out what Fran does on the turn his last two picks it's the weekend it's a long weekend who are we

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That was my guy. You know, I think, yeah, I think that if... He's not in your top 12. Wow. That's interesting. Yeah, I just think like, all right, you know, Ojilar gets hurt. Sure, of course.

Oshlar gets hurt in training camp. That opens up a spot. I think that Ushay is a player that, obviously, that look, they targeted, they wanted to bring in, they think he could be a fit for Vic Fangio. If you squint, you can see maybe he can be like an Andrew Ganginkl kind of usage here with Vic Fangio, some of the things that Van Ginkle did in Miami, not the entire package, but in terms of moving him around. Yeah, so that's the path there. I will say, I, my.

I would put the turkeys on. It's more likely that he doesn't make the roster. I agree. But if you really have to squint and, like, who is capable of making that insane, not quite Zach Bond level, but, like, out of nowhere, Patrick Robinson-type jump, it probably is Josh Ushey. He's had double-digit sacks before, right? I mean, it's, we've seen it.

We've seen it. So, yeah, he was high on my list for that reason. Okay. There you got one more. All right. For my last one. I'm going to go. I'm going to go with Avery Williams.

That's right. I said Avery Williams. I was hoping he would talk. I actually thought you were going to, I actually thought you were going to take him at six. I considered it, but I stayed true to the board. That's where Nick would have had him. Nick would have one. When you said, I'm going to go off my board.

I was like, oh, you're going to do it. I was, I had a whole thing prepared. Okay. And I was going to do an ode to Britain Covey and go on. Well, you can still do it. I feel bad. Yeah, I mean, I feel bad. because I don't know.

All I had prepared was, that's right, I said, Avery Williams. I think that to me, when I look at, I said a running back. That's right. I think when you're looking at Williams, there is a path where certainly, like, I feel, I feel better about him making the team than some of the other guys that we talked about.

I feel better about him making the team the Nushe, just because of the special team's value. It is unique that they've listed him as a special teamer. I was trying to think of the last, is it Maragros? Was Maragos listed as a special team? No, he was a safety. How about,

was a cult wasn't either he was a safety he was a safety they're leaning into this this is like when the Jacksonville Jaguars put DeNard Robinson

as a honestly this is actually the weapon I'm most interested to see next week yeah well and but look if Kaley

is that offense that's right Keely Ringo taking on a bigger bigger role defensively you want someone to come in and take on some

of the special team snaps that he did a really good job with last year that could be Avery Williams. Do you think that he will be the punt returner in addition to the kickoff returner? Or do you think they will let Cooper DeGine be the punt returner? That would be my guess that he is the partner turner.

That Avery Williams is. Yeah. Okay. I also think that he's going to be all special. He's going to be a gunner roll. He's going to cover. Yeah. He's going to cover.

So I like that. Now, should have gone earlier. I defer to some of my other colleagues and friends for the Jersey analytics, if you will. But I don't think they give him 18. unless it's like he's got a little bit of juice with the team like you're putting him in the 40s

if he's just trying to make the roster 18's a desired number I think he's 65 turkeys to make the team yeah exactly so and have a role yeah he's he was next on my board he was the one I had ahead of Smile Mondon Jr. Interesting I thought he would follow him why didn't you stay true to the Lord?

No no chance you had a good case for Smile so I would not have had as good of a case for Smile okay well you have left me no choice I just got to go. I mean, the guy has no competition on the roster. Take my guy again. Charlie bit me.

Charlie Hewlett is the long snapper. Charlie. Charlie Hewitt? Charlie Hewlett is the Eagles long snapper. Yeah, a friend of the program, or friend of a program. Marissa? Yeah, very nice to the Duns. Yeah, no competition on the roster here.

Now, it is a position that you can sign off the street. if you wanted to, but the Eagles, clearly, you know, we, we were all wrong in the, how you know, is that what, is that the right name? About Lavato? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because they clearly were looking for the change. No, that's flu world order.

Flu world order. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Sorry. The third most important game of the off season. No, that's the most important game of the off season. Right. But not, not the year.

Uh, I think the most important game. of the year is probably the spread your wins and fly draft. That's all the teams. That's all 32 teams. That's the NFL over anders. Yes. Yeah. Don't you think?

Well, I mean, Swoopers is the most important. Super is the most important. But I'm thinking of the one-off. Yes. Got it. Because that's not Eagles. That's not doing no Eagles.

I think there's the most, I would go, actually, you're probably right. Flew World Order is probably after. It probably goes, Swoper, flu world order, spread your wins and fly. and then pick your choice of the draft games. The last one is... Probably the...

The futures contract wants the last one. That's the... That's for the real. Nobody even remembers. Actually, the lowest is the schedule prediction one that we did that I didn't even know about until I looked at it again a year later. That's what makes you a good host.

These framing devices. Yeah, Charlie Hewlett. So you get to make our Mr. Relevant pick. Ah, well, I got pulled the computer back up. My laptop, it loses juice. so quickly. It really does. So I got to state your to the board. And, but you know what? I'm actually going to deviate from the board here.

For this reason. What a terrible reflection of draft strategy. I'm deviating from the board because my next one here is MacMac Williams, but we already discussed MacMac Williams. Yeah, he was next for me as well. So I want to bring up someone who we... And I think for a reason, let's very quickly say he's going to make the team. Exactly. As a fifth round pick, and he will have a special team's role. And there is a path to him getting on the field on defense.

Yes. So because we already mentioned him, I want to go with somebody else here to close it out. And I'm going to go with another friend of the friend of the program. Harrison Bryant. He was next after McQuarrison. Okay. Harrison Bryant, tight end. And he's someone who had some juice, like, I shouldn't say juice.

There was a little bit of steam behind him when he was with the Browns. And he goes to the Raiders last year. agent. Yep. And then they draft over him, right? And he gets dropped down to third. That must be such a bummer. That is tough.

That is a free agent, yeah. That goes to a conversation Fran and I had. They should have the draft before free agency, not after free agency. But so he gets drafted over. But this is a player who, when he was on the field when Njoku was injured. And even when Njoku was out there, he was a legit NFL player. And this is a position where the Eagles don't have a lot of death. there are question marks for who that third tight end is going to be.

If the threshold is, are you better than what C.J. Usama was last year or what E.J. Jenkins could be or Kylan Granson could be. Then I think Harrison Bryant could exceed that. I had said he wasn't much of a blocker. When there was talk like, he's a good blocker coming out of Florida Atlantic, he wasn't much of a blocker. But with the Browns, he kind of built that part of his game up. And I think there's a chance that I think Calcutter is the number two tight end. But I think Harrison Bryant is going to be on the team and can push for a role as the number two tight end. I mean, CJ Uzama played 11% of the snaps in the regular season last year. Right?

Yeah. That's a real role. Yeah. And I think Harrison Bryant should be better than C.J. Yuzama was last year. Now, you were a little bit surprised that, Yeah. He had him over Kylan and Granson.

I also would have had Brian over Granson. You had Branson over Bryant. Really? Yeah. I mean, just, you know, I'm not like exponentially, but I had him on my list ahead of Bryant. I just think there's probably a little bit more juice there as a pass catcher, but there's probably some,

maybe too much similarity between he and Calcutera. So I think that's probably fair. Yeah, I would, I would, I tilt Harrison Bryant as well. I agree with you. So Zobo and I are Bryant guys. You're a Granson guy. We'll see how this plays out during camp. Sure.

Yes. We're going to bully you over Kylan Granton. Yeah, seriously. We'll watch the tight end safety one-on-one drills to the far side of field two in the middle. Did you guys also make a top 12? Is that way? Yes, yeah, yeah, top 12. So did you have anyone on your board who didn't get drafted?

No. I did. I had Kendall Lamb at 12. Okay. Is the swing tackle? Yeah. And I'm not even sure he's going to make the team. I mean, I'm not even, I don't even know if I would go over 50 turkeys that he's going to make the team.

but if he does, the game day swing tackle has a good chance of starting games. You're right. I drew Kendall at 12. Okay. I can see that too. There's a, again, there's a Cam Durgan's injury. Like Drew Kendall, I don't know if he gets thrust into the starting lineup, but his next man up at the very least. Well, I am curious about that.

Jason Kelsey's second year is a starting center. He got injured week two. Baltimore. And so when you get injured, because if you get injured in training camp, they could bring someone in. If you get injured a week two, it's the guys you have, right, for the most part. So in that case, do they move Landon Dickerson over? Or is Drew Kendall your center going forward? Depends on the summer plays out.

I would think they would move Landon. That'd be my guess. And then you have Steen or, you know, green. So you have Steen and Green at Guards. I don't know. I think they might go Drew Kendall. Interesting. I think long term they would not want Landon at Center.

I could be wrong, though. I don't think they want it long term either, but if you're trying to get your best five, that would be pretty damning on Tyler's team, I think. Unless Kendall comes in and just lights it up this summer and looks awesome and like handles the mental load as a rookie, I think that would be damning. Yeah, that's interesting.

How about Antoine Powell Ryland? Was he in consideration for you guys? He was in consideration. He did not get in over the other two edge directors. but again I am this is the position that I'm most concerned about for the Eagles is edge rusher

because now safety you could argue but I think edge rusher is more important than safety and I just don't like what their depth chart looks like and so I think Powell Ryland has a pathway I mean there's the guys where in front of him are two guys on one year deals right that the Eagles don't have much invested in either one that they

the OJallari contract is similar to Zach Zazak Bond last year where you expect him to be on the team. But Josh Uche, there's not a big investment there. So, yeah, if Pal Reinal looks good, he could be the fourth edge rusher this year. And the fourth edge rusher has a role, although not necessarily with the Fangio sometimes. Right. Now, last question, you texted us before the show to ask if Kevin Petulow counted. And I decided he didn't.

He was in the bill. I think that's fair. Kili Ringo is kind of a similar thing. Like, he was in a different job, was expected to make a jump. But did you consider Scott Lever? Leffler. No. No, I did not consider Scott Leffler. But, yeah, I thought that it was worthwhile bringing Petullo in the conversation just in case. Or Parks Frazier. Did not think about Parks Frazier. Marks, Frazier got a mention from Jamel the other day. Yeah. Yeah, that blew me away. No Joe Douglas on this list. Oh, I see it. Yep. You see them now? I saw something moving the periphery.

I'm always... I saw it this morning, but only in my... We say it, like there's only one. Who are we kidding? Someone said we need a house cat, right? I'm in a cat. I'm not a big cat guy, but I can be convinced. I will say it again.

The fact that they come out in the daytime is brazen and a bad news from what's going on behind those walls. I mean, we... I shouldn't say this on the show. They already started it. if they come out when the exciting mics are broadcasts, and we have an exterminator here tomorrow, right? You know, like that's...

I hope so. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So, you know, I'll tell Cooper putting a word about the mice here for us. I'm glad that Reed's got his feet up on the phone. Yeah, he does. I was happy to see that as well. Further, further away. All right.

How did this make you guys feel about the, like, the constitution of the roster in general? that I know you said in the beginning there hasn't been that much turnover because the roster itself is so healthy but it is interesting that they're not really built to expect much year one contribution from new players no and I

feel good about this this roster overall I mean I think it's loaded I keep going back I've had this debate with people and I and it's the expression I keep using right down their 10 best players they're all back I think you you win with blue chip guys

you can find, as how he says, you can find backups, right? There's still, they'll see what the safeties look like. We'll see what their edge rushers look like. My big concern, though, is edge rusher. Now, I feel bad because as I was saying, the path of playing, I didn't even mention Bryce Huff. Like, it's very, it's very real that Bryce Huff is your second or third edge rusher, and everything's fine.

I didn't mention him either. Yeah, I mean, he's a $17 million a year player who has had double-digit sacks. but I believe strongly in rushing the quarterback and that's my biggest question about the team right now. Do you think, I would imagine you do, but tell me if I'm wrong, if they're going to make a summer addition of, you know, any consequence, is that the position you think is most likely?

Definitely, outside of injury. You know, if someone goes down at a position where they're weak, they're going to have to add, right? But, yeah, I think edge rush for this year reminds me a bit of wide receiver last year, where I still think they can make that. Do you think veteran safety is a possibility? As a safety net, no pun intended. But I think they have two guys they're going to take a look at. I also think Howie, no, I can't speak for, I don't know Vic well enough to kind of know his proclivities.

but Howie has been burned in the past by veteran safeties. And I think that he probably keeps that in the back of his mind. He's a pretty good success with veteran safeties too, though. I mean, Malcolm and Rodney, obviously. No, but those guys weren't in their mid-20s. I'm saying like the... Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm saying, no, like if you're trying to... I see what you mean. The end of career guys. Kenny Phillips? OJ Atagway? Yeah. I mean, what, Byard? No, no, Bired wasn't in his 30s, but.

I was thinking of like Anthony Harris. You got one okay year. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. The injury. Very good. I would also say this is not a starting caliber guy, but I do think that a veteran linebacker is possible,

especially when you check in on Jehad Campbell's health. Like, I mean, they don't have enough guys to take reps in training camp right now, who are healthy. Yeah. All right. We'll see how that plays out. All right. It's time. Oh, we jumped it. Zach, where are we? Over time. Did you see the Eagles Instagram account today? I did. I did not.

First off, they went to the Pellestra. Yeah, I love that. Where I know Bowes played at the Pesstre. Have you played in those games with Spadero? I've never played at the Pestero. Okay. A lot of fun. I've been to the Plesser a lot. I've taken shots there, like jump shots there. But I've never played pickup there. But the Eagles were there today. Yeah.

I didn't have the sound on when I was watching it, but based on the graphics, they did a good job, it looks like, I'll let you guess. I'll give you 20 guesses as to who won the free throw shooting contest. That's what I was good. Yep, who won the free throw contest? His name has come up on the show. That's the hint.

On this show? No, what do you got? It is very surprising who won the free throw shooting contest. You think it's surprising? I do. Based on the build or based on... Yeah, based on... I mean, you would not expect Drew Kendall,

an offensive lineman to win the free throw shooting contest. Not Drew Kendall. A Kenyon Green. Not Kenyon Green. Tyler Steen? Not Tyler Steen. Clearly, this is a hard one to pick. What other offensive linemen we talked about today?

Yeah, I actually thought that that was a misleading clue. We barely mentioned him, but we did. But he came up on the show. Yeah. All right, what do we got? We talked about almost the whole roster on the show. Cam Juergens. Cam Jorgans.

Nice. What you think of his form? It's surprising from the free throw shooting winner, but yeah, he clearly shot some free throws before. Got the job done? Yeah. How about the knockout competition? It found out to be a surprising addition, knockout competition. I feel like this one, if you had to only make one guess, it would probably be the correct answer.

This is someone who definitely played knockout growing up. One who definitely played knockout growing up. Lane. Laine. Lane. No, what do you got? Lain? Cooper the Gene.

El? Cooper to Jean. That's a good one. Yeah. It's a good one. That's a terrible guy. I was not prepared for this line of questioning. All right.

This one here's another one you will definitely not get. Okay. Which Eagle successfully nailed a one-handed backwards half-court shot? This surprised me. One-handed backwards half-court shot. Much to the delight of Jalen Hertz. Which is a good clue, actually. Because that has to be someone Jailen respects.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Parker, Parks Fraser. What do you got? Nicoby Dean. Oh, nice. That's good. No brace.

Well, yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's good that he was out there doing that. Also, let me ask you this. Nick nails the three. But my question to you, was that the first take? Of course not. Yeah. Like Nick, Nick wants that on,

Nick's very proud of his three-point shooting. He's brought this up. He's got the, he's got the follow through. He follows it. he's brought this up numerous times about his shooting in high school at Southwestern Central was this the first take

or is this like stay with me until you hit this year? No, I would actually bet that it was first take. Really? Oh no, I actually, I don't think that he was like make sure you get me. I just think he probably took about 40 shots until they had several to choose from

of him making it. I actually got this back and forth with somebody on social media I think I was on Twitter. about the behind the scenes draft video, about unscripted. And they were like, oh, like, they're just saying this for the camera. Yeah. And I was like, no, like, they don't have, they have other things to do other than

than think about like, oh, let me shoot this for this piece for the website or for social media. I had this debate with another reporter, someone I really respect, because I was like talking up how good the Eagles entertainment is. How many reporters on the beat do you not really respect? I respect them all. Is it a longer list that you do or don't? I think it's just one. No.

Oh, look at this. Bree's got the Awesome job. I can watch it for the first time. Here we go. So the person's point to me was like, oh no, that's just That's like.

This is surprising that Darren Kinnard makes it to the very end of the knockout. St. Ignatius is a good basketball. St. Ignatius is a good basketball program. Gannon played there. They want a state championship. I thought that was pretty good form from Jurgents.

It's not bad, yeah. Just body type was. Now, Tanner McKee. Are you dropping a dime there like that? I wouldn't expect my lotta to be good at basketball. So the person's point to me is, oh, that's just like propaganda. You know, you have to like report this out. And I said, I got to be honest with you.

Like, I believe in being skeptical. But when a player's miced up on the field, that's like authentic. Like it's much more reliable than going to locker and say, what did you say in this situation? Like, you hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Now there might be some, it's devoid of some context.

Sure. He did say the thing. He did say it. Exactly. It's not like, you know, it's, yeah, when you're in the heat of the game, like, that stuff is, is, that's authentic. For instance, the, you know, it was cut this way to tell this story. But, you know, Nick and Jalen in the aftermath of the Super Bowl telling Sequin, like, you know, we, this is because of you. Like, that's, that is much more.

impactful than if they had just said that on the podium. Exactly. Exactly. But there, you know, the thing that that caught me so off guard this year was when, after the Giants game, the first Giants game, when I asked Nick about taking Sequin out there, like short of the record, and he recounted the conversation, I was like, there's no way that actually happened. Like when he said, let the young boys eat. And then, because it just sounds it's scripted. And then it's like, wow, that actually happened. You found out that it was actually on. That was like verbatim. I told Nick, I'm like, you said that verbatim.

And Nick was like, yeah, of course. So. So Zach had to answer questions. I had to answer questions. I feel like you're the one to answer. I would save this for overtime. Okay. I'm going to do a quick blind ranking.

Okay. All right. We'll do a really quick one. Eagles flag football. Who would be best? So you've got to pick the Eagles that would be best in the flag football. We know the flag football news. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So they're going to. Are you just not a mouse? No, I just heard something back. Yeah, this was this.

Oh, that was that you? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the mouse. All right.

Uh, who would be best representing the Eagles in flag, for, in the flag football for the Olympics? Uh, you have to rank them without knowing who comes next, obviously. How many are, how many? Five. Okay. In what position? Uh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm not, position agnostic.

Okay. Okay. So you're, you're, you're just drafting just to, to your flag football team. Uh, number one, Kili Ringo. I mean, I don't know how nasty you're going to be here. That's the part of the game And if you're going to give me Kendall Lamb

But Damn, Kendalland shit Well, you're projecting two years out I'm going to go Ringo 4 Okay

Will Shipley Oof That's a good one I don't really want to be Running the ball And flag football He can do everything If I disagree with that

In flag football In space So that lateral quickness Yes Good at play lacrosse and I'm going to go three Okay Jordan Milata

That's a tough one Yeah Five Okay Cooper dejean One Okay Jordan Davis

Got burned Jordan Davis I thought I was going to be In good shape So yeah I got to put Jordan Davis too If I had to redo it I would go

Dejean Ringo Shipley Milata Davis I think that's I would drag it. I might do Shipley ahead of Ringo. Yeah, you could talk me into that. For flag? Yeah, I could see that being better.

Do you think there's any chance that he goes, will let a guy participate? No, I don't. It would surprise me. Yeah. And if you had to only pick one, if you were in charge of the USA flag football team, would it be AJ?

Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. But I just don't, I mean, I certainly don't want to, be like um who anti-american oh no anti-olympics no no no anti-olympic take no like i understand there's the there's a world that exists beyond the united states like i'm not so like sheltered and minded or close-minded in that regard i don't see how anyone competes with the united states

in flag football uh i could be wrong um i perhaps that uh it's you know there are countries that are really building their flag football programs. It's just, if there's a team that can like basically turn it into a rugby game, yeah, maybe that. A different strategy with blocking and stuff. But I just have a hard time. I feel like this was put in because the Olympics is in the United States.

What do you guys think of the opinion? I forget the player that said this, but it's a player that participates in flag football who says, like, why do these NFL players think they just come in and just take over our sport? I disagree with them there Oh, I think that's a fine too I actually kind of I think that there's something to be said there

I have no idea I haven't watched it No, because I think I mean it is a it is a bit of a different game Yeah like the physical You take away the physicality That's true and like the you want You want like a quarterback who can really move

Like that's a big part of the game right Like that the guy who's the quarterback of the championship team Like a much different type of athlete Yep And there's like like throwing while you're running and like if you're if you really play the sport of flag football competitively it looks a lot different than it does to us as as NFL fans yeah but it's if you watch like that that Netflix um a documentary on the uh basketball at the Olympics in France and you know there's that sit down

with Kevin Durant where he was talking about like he was asked about these other countries who play together year round and he was just like come on like you have you have you I have Steph Curry in this situation here. It's like, all right, we'll take our chances. And that's kind of how I view it. I actually, I think I'm trying to decide if this is true. I think I would be more interested in watching it if it didn't have NFL players.

Right. Or maybe if it had, or, or, you can't have current NFL players. Oh, he's in the chat. Breed is in the chat. Correct. Is he allowed to come in? Absolutely. This is the quote really quick.

Daryl Doucette. Hush Tusset. I think that's right. Wanna come on? Say hi? I appreciate it. Give it in the chat. How about a read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read. My man right here, my best friend. I believe, aside from Fran and PHOI employees, this is the first chat sicko to ever make it on the show. That's true.

I think so. I appreciate you coming on. He's a little nervous. Read. He watches all the shows. I know that you and your dad were talking about this draft on your way in here. Who was your number one? think is going to make the biggest year one edition?

Of the new players who are with Eagles. Jod Campbell. Jod camp choice. Consensus Big Board for a reason. The guy knows ball. Yes. All right. Well, let's let Reed close us out.

Read. I'm going to ask you, at the very end, I'm going to ask you to say, we love you. Okay. So, enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, everybody. For Bree and Zach and Fran. I'm Bo.

We'll talk to you Monday at 2 o'clock. And as always, I love you. Yeah! I'm feeling like the mayor.