PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Will Zack Baun be the Philadelphia Eagles’ savior on defense in the NFC Championship?

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Time to put the finishing touches on our week of previews for the NFC Championship Game as Zack Baun, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, C.J. Gardner-Johnson, Quinyon Mitchell, Darius Slay and Milton Williams prepare to corral Jayden Daniels and the explosive Commanders offense. With Dallas Goedert and Cam Jurgens dealing with injuries, how will the Eagles offense do, especially with Jalen Hurts hobbled himself?Deniz Selman joins Bo Wulf and Zach Berman for an in-depth look at the previous two matchups between these teams to filter out what matters ahead of Sunday’s big game. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Daniz, how you doing? Doing great. Getting a little nervous, you know, two days away. Okay. And I think if you're not nervous going into games like this, then what are you a fan for? So last week, last week it was I'm going to probably have to go through on Saturday all the explosive plays. And I did.

From the Rams to make myself nervous because I'm feeling too good. Yeah. This week, you're feeling already a little nervous. Are you going to need to go the other way? It's kind of like the different sides of the ball. I think on Washington's offense, I might watch some of their negative plays. Okay. And for their defense, I might watch some of their positive plays.

Okay, that makes sense. Because I think there's just such a big difference between those two sides of the ball with this team. The nerves come a little bit also from reflecting back on how I felt about past NFC championship games and like the ups and downs that that's been. This will be the sixth time that I've been fortunate enough to attend an NFC championship game going back to the Tampa Bay game. back to the Tampa Bay game. And I was telling Evren... So which one did you miss? A one?

No, this is the sixth home game. Oh, the sixth home game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I was telling Evren how fortunate I am and to have been able to go to all these and all that. I mean, the Eagles have hosted six of these during a time when no other NFC team is hosted more than three.

Okay. And that's something that, you know, should not be taken for granted. And he loves watching highlights of old games. Okay. And so like seeing like you know players and like the same numbers that are different players and stuff he like loves that. He's like who's that? You know like and he's like he's like he's like he's like he loves that. And so this week we made it a project to watch the highlights from the from the first five home NFC championship games. Okay. And I did not realize this would happen. But but when Rondea Barber got the pig six, I like like like I just turned into a ball like and I couldn't look and he had to like tap me. on the shoulder to make me feel better. And on the flip side, Carolina was similar. On the flip side, when we watched 17. Yeah.

I just started, I was just crying. Like the flea flicker where Tori Smith is like double coverage. And Nick Fulz just puts the ball on his hands. And I'm just like, I don't think you understand. Like, like, where did that go? That's the first time they threw the ball down field of Tori Smith all season long. Where did that come from? Like, how did Nick Foltz just show up to this game and become the,

best quarterback in NFL history like it was just unbelievable and I was just like and and I think everyone thought I wasn't doing okay you know like I was just like and so I was like okay like you know I'm good during the game and staying calm but there's this like overarching thing and the same thing happened to me in the stands last week I was super calm during every single snap including they got to the 13 I'm still calm but once it ended like once that fourth down sailed high I like lost it like I just started screaming like a madman and and i like collapsed and i like couldn't move and you know as usual the security had to tell me like you know it's time to leave and all that so um so yeah any in any i'm an emotional wreck is is the point so there you did not think in that moment to have the wherewithal

to gather some snow around you and bring it home man totally unbelievable lost opportunity if i knew like an authenticating black market firm yeah i don't know what the hell what the else i don't know if we talked about how weird it is that they also like cut out the 50 yard line from the from the from the regular season and they were having people like take pictures with that uh completely bizarre behavior uh deranged really um but yeah what can you do what can you do what you can you do is talk about this game and uh let's do that let's start professor with uh the eagles defense against the commander's offense because we're going to hear from zach in a little bit uh the reports are that kim jurgins and Dallas got it were both at practice, but it was an indoor practice.

So we'll see. And I think that L. He was playing. Yes. And so we'll see, you know, what the temperature is there before we get to that specific side of the matchup. But this is, as you said, the place to be nervous. If you are, well, I guess there's a few places to be nervous.

But the, if you imagine the Eagles losing this game, it's hard to it, imagine it happening without Jay and Daniels just being a superstar. Yeah. This is the side of the ball where I'm like, we're going to be fine because the Eagles are awesome, right? Whereas the other side of the ball is like, you know, we're going to be fine because Washington's terrible. Right. Like it's like this is the good on good.

But this is the side of the ball where the Eagles can can do their job and play pretty well and still and still lose. That's right. Whereas like on offense, I feel like if the Eagles do their job on offense, they will be fine. That's probably right. I mean, we saw the Eagles, you know, give up five touchdowns to this team, you know, just five weeks ago. It was a little different. There were some, you know, there were some random plays and there were some things that you'd think wouldn't happen again. But yeah, of course, the way that they're playing right now, Washington,

and we'll get to that in a second, I mean, they've been lights out in these two playoff games. Like they've punted them all one time. And they're also not turning it over. They're scoring at a crazy rate. So, yeah, it's going to be scary. Now, the thing that I like about this year and looking at this defense against good offenses that we didn't have two years ago with Jonathan Gannon is the trust that the defensive coordinator is going to be able to make adjustments within the game and also throw.

some curveballs that they might not be expecting. There were a couple of things that I noticed even watching from the stands on Sunday, but also in the film that were really cool. There was a big third down where out of nowhere, Fangio went to a three-man defensive line and dropped eight, and Stafford's just standing back there, like no one to throw to, get sacked by J. Lexan on that play. That was a really cool curveball, I thought.

There was a-siggering the A-gap's, like double-a-gap where he actually brought both of them, dropped both edge-rushers, and it was man-coverage behind it, which is a rare combination. Normally when you're dropping defensive linemen, you're playing zone. That play worked. There was a lot of 6-1 and 5-1, the thing that's got in McVeigh in the past,

without subbing. And, you know, Zach asked Vanjou about that earlier this week. I might have requested the question. And he said, yeah, there's advantages to doing that. And I think we're going to see a lot of that in this game as well. And then this is like kind of geeking out. But Cooper DeGene blitzed the B-Gap for the first time all year. Okay.

And there was an edge dropping on the other side. So that's the Fangio exchange known as WIP, which he always does with a linebacker and which he always did with NCOB Dean. It's so cool that he chose to use Cooper to Gene in that role in that situation, completely unexpected. Instead of Warren Berks. Yeah, I mean, he's blitzed this season, but he always blitzes off the edge. And so that was a kind of cool curveball as well. So those are little curveballs that might not apply directly to the Washington game. It's a different kind of quarterback, obviously.

but just things that give you trust that Fangio will have something up his sleeve and if the game goes a certain way he won't just keep doing the same thing and so these first two matchups between these two teams week 11 week 16 how did Fangio approach solving the Jaden Daniels problem and what are the ways in which he got beat

that you think he's going to be focused on correcting this time? Yeah I mean you really have to distinguish between the two games right there was a big difference in how you know everyone who's likes the Washington team will tell you that Daniels was hurt in that first game. Somehow it's like ignored that Jalen wasn't even playing in the second one. But yeah, I mean, there was a big difference in if you're just going to look at Daniels running the ball, in week 11 at the link, there were only three designed runs for him that went for a total of three yards

and only four scrambles that went for 15 yards. So completely contained in that sense. He also wasn't throwing the ball to wide receivers, if you recall. It was checking it down the whole game. Week 16 completely different. Four designed runs for 33 yards. There was that QB trap call where they caught Jalen Carter. They trapped Jalen Carter on a third and seven.

And they were able to block like everybody with the trap. And the Eagles were lining the defensive tackles out wide a lot. And they were able to benefit from that and get that. And the 29-yard scramble on 4th and 11 was similar to that, where the D-tackles were both lined up wide. and Daniels was just able to go down the middle. There was a QB lead draw for a first down on the game-winning drive. I mean, like, there were just a bunch of big plays in the game

where I think Fangio will look back at that film and say, maybe we shouldn't line up these detackles this wide on these plays, even though we normally do on fast rush downs and things like that. So I think there will be differences there. Zach Bond mentioned in his presser yesterday that I really like this term, like crush-rushing. I know like mush rushing is like use love. Mush-rushing sounds so soft, right?

crush rushing sounds better yeah like you're going to where they want to where they want to keep him contained and I hadn't really heard the players use that expression going into the other games that might be more of a focus I thought this time interesting you mentioned that you know that that that loss that that happened at

it's not FedEx Field anymore whatever it is yeah whatever you must appreciate as a season ticket holder seven home games in eight weeks unbelievable yeah I mentioned I remember it's got to be yeah I'm Unless there was some, like, something like something like that. Even five in a row has got to be rare, yeah, right?

Like, is five in a row, it's only happened four times in history that a team has had three home playoff games. Right. And so the only way there would have ever been five in a row is if like you had, yeah, it might be the first time. Yeah. Yeah, it's been tiring. It's been tiring. I've been, I've had to revisit the pharmacy for, for toe warmers as we've had more and more game. Changing the tires on the bike.

Changing the batteries on the radio every game, because I'm very paranoid that they might not last more than a game. The bike, yeah, what do you do with the batteries that you've used but may not be totally used up? I was just piling them up in a random corner in the living room, and Emily was finally like, okay, we can't have this. So she put them all in a big sandwich Ziplock and labeled it once used batteries.

I mean, I feel like a missed opportunity here. I mean those those are throwing batteries yes that's true that's true now it does take me that's the best way to celebrate it I win is you take out the batteries you get tossed them up in the air it's like the tossing your diploma cap yeah it already took me it already takes me like 10 minutes to get through security because of all my stuff the binoculars they're like why do you have so many pens you know um but yeah the loose batteries are not allowed in the stadium so well yeah that's why you throw them on throw them up in the air yeah that's that's that's that's Right. Cliff Kingsbury said that for the first six quarters, they dominated us in every facet. And it's a good, like, perspective of the way that those two games win. It was really just the second half of the second game where they had the three touchdown drives. Now, they did have two turnovers even in that half. But when you look at it from like at the play level, Washington's very worst two games of the season by EPA per Rush out of 19 games were the two against the Eagles. Okay. Right. And that's despite those Daniels run. So, you know, they had one run of over eight yards by a running back in the two games on 36 carries. I was trying to do the exercise of comparing the commanders' like season long stats and rates

versus like very recently, like let's say the last since week 16 or something like that because the season long stuff will tell you the story about them as a whole. But, you know, they're a different team now than they were early in the season. And honestly, it's all pretty similar in terms of the productivity. the one thing that that jumped out to me is their designed run rate has really dropped recently. They are, they are, it went from 41% to 32% and they are really leaning on the dropback game. It seems like of late. Yeah, if you look at just neutral zone run situations, I'm looking at the wrong thing here.

Okay, if you just look at neutral pass rate, especially in the playoffs, we've seen it. Okay. We've seen that go down in the playoffs. I think earlier in the season, they were very run heavy, and then they became pass heavy. But if you just look at the two playoff games and look at neutral situations,

maybe they've gone back. I'm not sure. I don't know if that's like... I think they know that, you know, given the way that Jane Daniels is playing, handing the ball off to Brian Robinson is not necessarily their best path to victory. Right. And actually, like,

if you're looking at running back runs, maybe that pattern continues into the playoffs because they really have run Daniels a lot on those design keepers and those kinds of things. if you look at just how good the offense has been. We talked about this a little bit going into the week 16 game, but just as a refresher, first nine weeks of the season, they were the best offense in the NFL by a mile.

I mean, they were first by a mile by APA per drive. They were first in DVOA, like they were just the best. And then you look at the second half of the regular season, they were just an average offense. I mean, they were 14th by APA per drive if you just look at those weeks. But if you look at the playoffs, I mean, their numbers are off the charts. I mean, the game in Detroit was their best game since. September and the two games combined. If you just look at those two games, it's way higher than

even than they were even in the first half of the year. For Eagles fans, you can be encouraged that their very worst game of the season by APA per drive was the one at the link. And then the one in week 16, even though they scored 36 points, of course, because of the turnovers was actually their fifth worst, right? And so they, and it wasn't like super high by success rate or anything either. I think people might want to make the comparison to the way the lions played against Washington, where it was either touchdown or turnover every drive. On the surface, yes, it was either touchdown or turnover every drive when the Eagles played in Washington.

But it was like a turnover on the first play of the drive a lot of the time. Like it wasn't like the Washington against Detroit where it was like an 80-yard drive where every play works. And then Jared Gawth down stop on the opening possession. Right. On the, I think the first series or the second series that they had. Wait, but we're talking about when Detroit had it, right? Sorry.

Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry. I was trying to, I'm mixing things here. I'm switching sides of the ball just for the analogy. I think, like, a lot of Lions fans would say, like, we, you know, like, we moved the ball. It was just random turnovers. I think they'd be right. Whereas I don't think that's true for the Eagles defense against Washington in Landover. I thought the Eagles defense played better.

And it was like random touchdowns almost, like Slay running off the field. There's no corner. They get a 50-yard touchdown. They get like two long bombs on a play. So I almost think like the last drive was very impressive the one where they won the game in the end It was like a bunch of successful plays in a row But for the most part that game was like the Eagles getting turnovers early in drives like just kind of dominating the game And then you know giving up a few random plays and I don't think those random plays are gonna happen

I don't think Diami Brown's gonna catch a 50 yard pass against sleigh again and that kind of thing No but I do I I would say one of the concerns is like you know I don't think that one score game record is a thing that's going to hold up super well over time. But in the snow globe of this season and knowing that the Eagles have struggled

in some of those situations, I think that is like that's a place where man like you don't want to be in that situation. It's almost like it's almost like the likeliest outcomes for this game are the Eagles win by like two touchdowns or the commanders win a close one. I don't know. Maybe, yeah. I mean, I think Eagles win by two touchdowns is more likely than Washington wins by two touchdowns, for sure.

Well, yeah, I would say that. Now, in terms of approach, the first game, it was like pretty vanilla from Fangio. Okay. Mostly zone, very few snaps of man, and three blitzes and two exchanges total, the whole game. Second game, he kind of went nuts at one point. Like, he just started blitzing. He blitzed ten times. He had six exchanges.

And you guys talked about this on a show earlier this week. week when he was asked about it, he said, the QB was scrambling, four-man rush wasn't getting there, that's why we blitzed. But for the most part, he got burned by those by those blitzes. And so I'm very curious how he's going to handle that. Washington plays a lot of empty. In that game, he blitzed about half the time that they played empty and that long McLauran touchdown, where he'd be Quignon Mitchell. That was a, that was an empty snap against a man blitz. And, you know, you're leaving Quignon on an island there, and he normally doesn't get beat on those but he kind of guessed on that one and then the 29-yard scramble on fourth and

11 was also out of empty and so how are you gonna handle that wasn't a blitz but it was like you know how are you going to handle those empty snaps so that's something to keep an eye on they're definitely going to play a lot of empty this game and I think that that's something where Fangio might approach it a little differently than he did in week 16 how might you think he does that well I think that he will start without the blitzing you know what I mean Like, like, I don't think he's going to have his first button be, like, I'm going to, I'm going to blitz. There was a lot of man coverage last week against the Rams. Like, I'm curious if he'll do that again.

It was kind of a mix in that week 16 game. Do you see a lot of spies? No. No, right? No. I mean, he didn't do it a single time in either game. So not a single snap where I charted it as like a spy. Who do you think he wants in the middle of the field?

Bong or Birx. Yeah, I think that he is. is okay enough with Berks being there that he's not going to sacrifice using Bonn as an edge. So when Washington lines up with, you know, when they do 12 personnel with two tight ends on the same side, which they do a decent amount, I would be shocked if the Eagles aren't in some sort of five-man line.

And you're not going to get to a five-man line without sack bond. So having said that, in this last game, they actually did get to a five-man line with Cooper to Gene a couple of times and kept two behind. So that might be a change. this idea that Cooper de Gene

is so versatile that you can think of it when he's on the field is almost it almost being like a four three right he's a linebacker and so he can be the guy on the edge instead of bond

you know what I mean and the fact that he did that in this last game shows that that might happen but for the most part it was Oren Berks just by himself in the middle of the field in this last game of course Matt Stafford and Jaden Daniels very different quarterbacks

in terms of scrambling One scrambles less than anyone else and one scrambles more than anyone else. So maybe it'll be a little different more than anyone else and better than anyone else, right? Yeah, very effective in his in his scrambling. Technically not as effective as Matt Stafford on a per shramble basis, but yeah The other thing that this commander's offense does a lot is go tempo Yes, and we there have been you know some some concerns from Eagles fans about like those the two minute drill defenses against the Eagles have moved the ball a lot this season.

And so are you worried at all about tempo against this team? I'm a little worried that like the Eagles are going to be slow lining up. I feel like it's happened a bunch. I don't know if you noticed in this last game against the Rams. They did it again. Two times coming out of TV timeouts, the Eagles were not lined up against the Rams, just like it happened in L.A.

I thought it was very funny because they don't go tempo normally. But they sprint to the line on the first play. And the Eagles weren't ready. The defensive tackles, hands weren't on the ground yet. But like, you know, Washington's is a little bit different than that. You know, they go no huddle. They use nonverbal communication. Quinn talked in his presser earlier this week about how their tempo offense

and the fact that they do nonverbal communication will help in a noisy stadium. That it's kind of helped in noisy atmospheres throughout the season that had helped in Detroit last week, for example. So that's a factor. They have been 73% no huddle in the two playoff games, which is higher than their already leading. leading you know 60% or whatever it is for the season to give you a sense of how much of an outlier that is the Eagles are seconds in no huddle rate at like 30% or something

so it's like half of that so they're they're the only team that that is you know Kingsbury has always been kind of of that school the air raid no huddle and all that that also links to one of the ways they're able to play no huddle is that they kind of line up in the same place all the time right so the guys are able to line up look at Daniels Daniels communicates the play through hand signals and Then they run the play. And that, of course, goes back to the discussion we've had about Terry McLaurin and how often he lines up on the left side.

And it's not quite as much as it had been earlier in the season. It was like 77% of the time in Weeks 1 through 11. It's still pretty high. It was like 35 on the left and 7 on the right against the Lions. And that means we're going to see the McLaurin against Quinyon Mitchell matchup. It certainly seems like Quinnian Mitchell is healthy enough to play. I think so. It sounds that way.

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The Xfinity game ball. I've never done one of these. I want you to tell me who you think on defense is most likely to earn a game ball against Jaden Daniels, Cliff Kingsbury, and the commander's offense. Am I allowed to pick the kind of obvious answer? Sure. Jalen Carter. Okay.

Yeah, absolutely. With Sam Cosme out, if any of the reporters in Washington asked questions about football instead of just bringing pom-poms to the press conference, we would maybe know how not to talk smack about anyone you might you might know but outrageous. It's a little weird that we don't know. Dan Quinn had a press conference this morning which I wasted a bunch of my time listening to

it's a you problem in which nobody asked him like who's starting at right guard and right tackle two days before the NFC championship game like I don't know if they're like told before the press conference that he's not going to answer that or something but like I just have no idea it's not like there's an injury situation. Right.

We know the injury. They know what they're doing. Right. We know the injury situation. Cosmey's out, right? So it's like, what are you doing instead? And somehow we don't know the answer. Very strange.

But in any case, whether it's Andrew Wiley kicking in to play right guard or it's Trent Scott who played there for the rest of the game last week, major mismatch against Jalen Carter, they're not going to be able to single Jalen Carter and slide the other way on any kind of regular basis. And that means that you're also going to have a mismatch on the other side. Let's have Milton Williams, you know, as he's entering free agency. This is a huge prime time game for Milton Williams to eat up these one-on-one matches. Yeah, I don't think Nick Allegretti is like the worst left guard in the league or anything like that.

But I think that it's fair to call him replacement level. And I think that's a starter, yeah. Yeah. And I sure, as a starter. And I think Milton Williams is playing really well right now. There have been a lot of snaps where he's had a big impact on the play, like even if he doesn't get the sack himself. And I think that whether they mix things up or not,

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in which he pronounces it finance, which, you know, really rankled me. That sounds worth it right there to become a diehard. Watching that video, I understood the charisma that has allowed him to become. my real champion of industry.

I really. The power squint, like, I've never seen anything like that. I love that you've made this Josh Harris week. I hate that guy. Like, I've been, I've been trying to, you know, keep it to the X's and O's and look on the field and all that.

But the honest thing, he's a Wharton man. I hate. Yeah, I can tell you some other warden people that I don't like. But they put him in the wrestling Hall of Fame. He quit the team after one year. That's very funny. Hall of Fame, huh?

Yeah, he's, you know what, you know, you know what the, you don't read the stories, but he went in as the... I usually catch up on my reading on the weekend. The Outstanding American. This is... Wow. Okay.

Joining the likes of Congressman Jim Jordan. That's very funny. And Billy Baldwin. That's very funny. You know, the building, when they name these buildings after rich people, I'm not, I don't know like how long those go for, but the building that my office is in just change names.

And I'm like, what happened to the old... guy. Yeah. Exactly. Like, I mean, obviously he's dead. But like, what about his family? You know, like, they must be upset. Yeah.

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ZB. What's popping? Big News Day. Give us the scoop. I really enjoyed listening to those past seven minutes. Those were, those. You're not here, dude. We got a show to do.

Relax. Relax. Relax. So Cam Juergens practicing today. Are we supposed to drop mid-conversation, mid-ad-read, and bring you on right away? So Dallas-Cotter on the practice field today, Cam Juergens on the practice field today. That's a positive development.

for the Eagles, certainly. You obviously saw that they did not practice the past two days. So the fact that they were out there, Dallas Goddard spoke in the locker room after practice, said he was not worried that he wasn't going to play. So this is, I'm expecting Goddard to play. We will see on Juergens, but the fact that he was out there stretching, I think is certainly a positive sign. The injury report comes out in about an hour and a half.

We'll find out more. Yeah, I mean, what, I guess I know that at Fridays you don't get to see a lot of practice. It's sort of just in and out. I mean, do you have any sense on Jurgens here? Like, the guys in the locker room yesterday, it certainly seemed like they were talking like they were going to be without Cam Jurgens. And I do think that it's fair to read into the way that things happened with Nick saying that he was going to be out there and then he wasn't out there, that maybe there was some kind of flare up with the back. But obviously, he was out there today. I don't know.

Like, do you have any sense here? I wish I had a stronger sense. Now, I was speaking to jail and Carter when Cam Juergens was in the locker. My understanding is that he declined to speak with reporters. So there was no clarity coming from his end of this. You sometimes see on the Friday practices, there's gamesmanship. Like, he's out there, get Washington thinking he's going to play. I know that there were players in there who were expecting him to play,

citing things such as toughness, we know Cam, that kind of thing. But look, you guys mentioned it well on the show. A back injury for a center in particular is notable. The fact that they had Dickerson in there in practice really jumped out to me. If it was the type of thing where it was just a maintenance day for Juergens, I think you would have seen Nick Gates there or you would have seen Brett Toad in there. But the fact that they had Dickerson there. So practicing with your left guard at center on Thursday, which is their most intense practice of the week.

Really, they practice for less than an hour today. They had a walkthrough on Wednesday. So Thursday was really the big practice day of the week for the Eagles. And we weren't there for full teamwork on Thursday, of course, but reporters saw Juergens taking, I'm sorry, Dickerson taking snaps before practice. The fact that you would have Dickerson playing center on your most. intense practice day at the week lend me to think there was a chance that Juergens wasn't going to play. He was, as I said, he was out there today stretching with the team. I saw him while they were

practicing at the facility today indoors. They did not go across the street to the stadium. Seeing him walk down from the locker room to the field house, there wasn't any type of impairment with his walk, but I couldn't be able to tell you right now. And that's why this is, this is a critical practice report coming at 4 o'clock today. Zach, did you get any sense of why they practiced in the bubble today? They've been going over to the link on Fridays the last couple of weeks, right? Yeah, so they've been having all their practices over at the length the past couple of weeks. My suspicion here, and I don't have the full answer, my suspicion is today was probably

more comparable to what a walkthrough is. They're probably going through my guess, third down red, or let's say red zone today. which you typically see on Fridays. You know, I know from a lot of coaches do first and second down on Wednesday, third down on Thursday, Red Zone Fridays. But they were probably going through some type of script today. It was a quick practice. They were scheduled to go 1240 to 140, and they were wrapped up by 135.

So this was pretty quick today. What about Jalen Hertz, Zach? So much speculation about, you know, how mobile he's going to be able to be, how much it's going to affect the Eagles running game, and obviously the commanders saying that they're going to hit him, and we'll get to that because I'm going to have to flagellate myself for that. But what's your stance on Jalen Hertz?

What are your expectations? Yeah, so Jalen was asked about that today about getting hit and he said every team has as their approach. He said regarding his health that as Nick said he's improving, he'll defer to what Siriani said. Now, it struck me, again, I'm playing doctor on the set, that he might be battling a cold or the sniffles, some congestion, however you want to phrase it. Again, not a serious thing.

It's like Frank Sinatra has a cold, right? J.O. and Hertz has a cold. that that's an Esquire reference for those ones. Okay. Okay. The great, the great gay to lease.

Great Gay Talese. Someone I admire, I have great admiration for it. Yes. And of course, that's who Gabe Hall was named after. No, Gabe Hall. Okay.

No. So in any event here, Jalen was he seemed he seemed locked in you made the point that Super Bowl week he was he was loose he saw him playing pool on Friday that was not the jail one I saw on today's press conference now look he doesn't typically do two press conferences a week this might have been one of these things where it's like let's just let's just get this over with it's Friday I want to go home or I want to do whatever I have scheduled so I certainly don't

want to project anything. But, but, but, but this was interesting, uh, because Jordan Milata's press conference yesterday and, and, uh, I'm sure Professor Selman heard this was, he was like Jalen's fired up this week, you know, he's more fired up than, uh, usual. And so that was, that was framed to Jalen. And you would think that's like a layup question. Right. And I, I like to fire up. Myelata was when he was asked about, uh, Jalen not getting any props for, you know. Yeah. Uh, and And Jalen's like, I think Jordan's more fired up this week, and he's projecting that on to me. So that's, he's like, this is, this is the same as any other week. I asked him, you know, I think Juan Barclays referred to this it factor about Jalen Hertz.

And he's referred to it a few times. And so I asked him if, if Jalen's heard this. And Jalen says, this is something that's been said about him his whole life. And he's like, he can't tell you what it means, but it must be good because people keep using it. There you go. All right. And then spoke to Jalen Carter for a while today. Okay.

Jalen Carter was, yeah, yeah, Jailen Carter had some interesting insight, of course, really about Nolan Smith and him and the chemistry that they play with. He referred to a clip that the Eagles put out from this previous game. where like him and and no one make the adjustment on the stunt. And he said they can just look at each other, that they don't even have to say anything. They can just look at each other. And then they know exactly what they're thinking out there. So he said that that goes back to their time at Georgia.

Yeah. And so he referred to that clip. He was pretty excited about this clip circulating about he hadn't seen it yet, but Aaron Donald saying that Aaron Donald and LaShaquois were talking. John Carter's the next one there. He said that that means a lot to him because of Aaron Donald. He wanted to speak to Aaron Donald after the Rams game last year, didn't get the opportunity to do that.

Yon Carter says that he feels physically good right now. I asked him, does it feel like game 20? He's like, it's been a, it's the longest he's ever played football in his life. He doesn't know what game it is here. he's like but he's like whatever they need from him he's got it he says he finds time in between plays sometimes like to catch his his breath um he was asked uh and i heard before i came on professor selman was upset at the washington media um for not uh finding out more about the offensive line situation he was talking about the backup situation like he's

expecting to be doubled tripled whatever it may be um So that's obviously something to pay close attention to. I agree with what both assessment was. This is a huge opportunity, I would think, for Milton Williams. This could strike me as a big Milton Williams game because if you think, like Washington has, they're going to be determined not to let Gieland Carter wreck this game. And it's easier said than done. It's like a team saying we're not going to let Sequin Barclay wrecked this game.

but Jalen Carter has been a menace to the commanders before. And I keep pointing to that Thursday night game when Clinton Hurt told me that that big play Zach Bond made. That was Jalen Carter because Jeline Carter made that play at the line of scrimmage. Zach Vaughn was able to have that fourth down stop. That was one of the few missed four downs. And then the last thing, we've all seen this clip of J. Allen Carter and lifting up Jaden Daniels from LSU, Alabama.

And Jalen Carter, I'm sorry, not LSU Alabama. Jaylon will be offended that I said that, LSU, Georgia. And Jalen Carter said that he sees, that clip comes across his screen every single day, he says. And he said especially now that they play against Jaden, Daniels again, but he said now that day goes by when he doesn't see him lifting up Jaden, Daniels. You just accidentally said the Vic Fangio word. Lifting up. Nauta goes by.

Ah, Daegah, there you go. Hey! There you go. So I said it first. 9A, day, B-A-Y. It's okay. Space, geo. Here's the things.

You can't say you're going to come on at a time, show up earlier than that, and then get offended when you're not on when you get there. I wasn't offended that I wasn't on at that time. I want to ask you about Darrya's referring to that. I don't like the introductions. Like you always say like, you know, speaking of wet, we're going to have Zach Berman come on here. You know, it's like stuff like that.

Like you say Zach's coming on. Like it doesn't have to be speaking of speaking of this. Like, you know, there's you don't need to connect me to Josh Harrison anyway. So. out of the normal room today? Oh, good question. Yeah, you're very observant. If you weren't such an outstanding professor, you could be a reporter. Well, you don't know how good a professor I am because you never, you know, showed up in any of those classes. You said you were going to audit. Yeah. I do want to audit your class still. Absolutely, because I need to become a better professor.

But I do know how good a professor you are because I've spoken to students of yours who have literally told me as much. They, they, they, including, yeah. No, Corey never had to be. I had Professor Selman. I asked him that. But he knew of Professor Selman from the Wharton circles. But I've spoken to other people who have been in his class and have remarked that it's their favorite class that they've taken. A couple things. But yet, wait, wait, just to answer Professor Salman's question, yes, the great South Palantoneos here from ESPN. And I usually steal his room. And he was very nice. He actually offered to let me use it. But he has a hit coming up at, like 240, 245, and I had to make sure that I was here for how long I am.

I don't want to say however long I'm needed. However long, you know, I love doing this show. So however long I'm able to. Sal, pal, this is, you know, if the Eagles win two more games, there's going to be a bit of an arms race between the two of you guys. I hope you're going to beat them to the punch. No, no, no, no, no. First off, I have great appreciation and respect for Sal.

And I don't think that will be a problem. Speaking of reporters, we got to talk about this. We got to address this. Earlier this week, we were talking about your pet peeves of press conference questions. And you said the thing that actually really bothers you is when people ask a question that has already been asked recently. And during today's press conference, I asked Nick Siriani about the comments from Washington about them hitting Jill and Hertz. like a running back and framed it about the hit that Frankie Louvo laid on Jalen Hertz the last time they played and Elliot asked that yesterday. So I got a, I mean, I got to jump off the bridge here.

I got to commit to Fuku. First off, please, please, please don't jump off the bridge number one. Number two. This is unacceptable. I'm going to absolve you. It's unacceptable. I can't be doing that. I'm going to absolve you here. No, number two, number two, you framed it in a different way. based on the chippiness of the game. Yeah, but it's the same thing. It's the same thing. You got to throw, you got to cast me off the island. No, no, let me still defend you here.

Oh, you're the best host in the city. You're hosting a show during, no, you were hosting a show yesterday during the press conference. I know, but I didn't read the transcript. I was watching it. And I didn't, I didn't think about it. I was watching it. I didn't ingest Elliott's question. So I thought that I was covered.

But it's a bad job. There's no doubt. out that's a bad job. Well, no, you could have read the transcript. When you're watching it, you can't hear the questions sometimes. Uh, so. Well, yeah, but then it's my job to make sure that the question hasn't been asked. It's not, it's not good. Okay. It's not good. This is not an NFC championship caliber performance. If it makes it feel any better, there hasn't been a single good question asked in any of the Washington press conferences the whole week. It doesn't make me feel better. Okay. I don't know. So, look, I'm not going to.

defend. I don't know the particulars here. I get, I get criticized sometimes by listeners or questioned by listeners and viewers saying, like, why do you always ask Nick Siriani injury questions when he doesn't want to answer the questions? And my response to that is because I'm here to report the news. This is the news. I can't control what Nick answers. I can't control what I have to get him on the record on things. Yes. Yeah. So people, so I get this all the time. like, you know he's not going to answer it. Why do you bring it up? And I, and the answer to me is, is because, like, you just have to ask.

You never, you, A, you never know, but B, I learned this a long time ago. Well, it's, it's kind of like the Wayne Gretzky quote or, you know, that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, right? Like, if you don't ask the question, you're definitely not getting the answer. So you can't just assume, you can't assume what someone's answer is. is going to be you they you can expect them not to answer it. So yeah, I would always like for that question to be asked, but I don't know what, um, you know, Dan Quinn's approach to that is.

I also don't know if it's something these guys are finding out. I shouldn't say guys, these reporters, men and women are finding out, um, off camera. Uh, but yeah, I, I'm expecting Trent Scott to be the guy there at guard. All right. Last question for me. So you guys disagree. And that alone is like,

Yeah, actually, I expect it to be widely. Indicative of how crazy it is that we don't know. Okay. My last question, Zach, got a banger up on the site today. Good time to become a diehard. Darius Slay, probably about to play his last home game as a Philadelphia Eagle. Give us a little tease-y-tease for that bad boy. Yeah, I appreciate you asking, though.

You know, I always like when you can inject institutional knowledge into a story. So when you're kind of summing up for, or you're right. about the career of a player like Darius Lay, who we've seen the entire career arc in Philadelphia. There's a lot from over the years that you're able to kind of little bits and pieces that you can include in the story. But Christian Parker, I brought this up last week. Christian Parker put this red gas tank next to Darius Lay's locker. And I spoke to Christian about this. And this was, he always thinks of like nonverbal, motivational things he could do.

So he put this this, this gas tank up. And on it is a post-it that literally asks, you know, I'm going to read this verbatim for you, how much gas do you have left in the big play tank? And this was meant for the season and for the career. And Darius Lay, and I appreciate his, his honesty was quite forthcoming about the fact that this might be it for him, that this could be his last game playing in Philadelphia now for those who remembered, the way it's contract structured is there's no guaranteed money beyond this season. He signed a deal that was essentially a two-year deal, a three-year contract, essentially a two-year deal.

There's a cap hit because of the deferred years, but the Eagles can get out of this deal beyond this season. They obviously just drafted Cooper the Gene and, well, they drafted Quinion Mitchell and Cooper the Gene. So this is looming. And Darius Lay, he, he acknowledges that he might not be here, that this could be his last game. He doesn't know if he's going to play next season or not. He says if he plays next season, it will be his final season in the NFL. He won't play beyond year 13. He has kids at home.

He says he wants to be back with his family. But the story kind of, I tried to capture both the player he is and the teammate he is. Both did an outstanding piece on Slay back in 2002, or I'm sorry, 2021, which I thought was an important time. And I kind of frame it as Slay came here. She was supposed to be the missing piece. And the way I called it is he was more of a missing piece in 2012. He was not good. And then they bring in this new scheme.

There's questions about how he would fit. And he was outstanding in 2021. Had a good year in 2022. And for five years here, as they made the playoffs, four years, he's been a captain, three of these years, two years in the NFC championship game, three-time pro-bowler during that period. I was surprised when I asked AJ Brown about him that AJ Brown caught him a hall of famer. And, I mean, I don't know if he's Hall of Fame caliber. Starris Slay said he thinks he has a toe in there, but he thinks that winning a Super Bowl would certainly help.

Since he came into the league, he has more past breakups than any player in the NFL. I mean, he has been really productive in two different places. And I've always described Slay as he's like your favorite teammates, or he's like your favorite player's favorite teammate in that I know Slay can be polarizing sometimes in Philly. like not every fan he's not as beloved I think in the fan base perhaps as as some of these other pro bowlers that they've had but in that locker

room he is beloved like every corner of that locker room players at every position and you've noticed that for a long time like Avanti Maddox I remember saying the best teammate he's had or best leader he's ever been around and I mean I've spoken to guys

from every position group who rave about Slay And I will also say that when you bring Slays up, when you bring Slay's name up to everybody, the first thing that comes up is they start laughing, which I think says something about a person too, right? Like that, and that personality has really been beneficial for him.

So I try to capture that in the story. I hope people check that out now at all p.hly.com. Zach Berman, thank you so much. Thank you very much. I had some other Mia Colpas that I was going to put in here. but I know we got to get to ad reads. We got to the Niz's thing. I'll say real quick, reviewing the shows, reflecting.

I'm going to back off my Josh Harris perspective. I think that I was trying to speak to what makes a good owner, but I think the nuance of this situation, I think it's absolutely understandable and probably appropriate for Eagles fans and for Philly fans to feel like he does. doesn't care about this, this, this fan base. I, I hope, I don't think I conveyed that enough on the show the other day,

because I do hear what you're like, it's a bad look owning the devils and the commanders. I stand by what I said about, you have to buy the teams that are for sale if you, if you want to buy a team, but you also have to understand who your customers are. And I think that it is a slap in the face to the customers that he has, if it happened once it's a coincidence it happens twice as a trend right so i i i i think i think that's a bad look that it's two of those teams if it was just one to be different so i i i want to put that out there i i didn't feel like that that came off particularly well zach i have a i have a a bit of a return serve here oh okay and that is our nick syriani conversation from yesterday i was

thinking about. And I was thinking about the way that we framed Sequin and Zach Bonn. Like you didn't know that they, you weren't sure that they could be this good until they were put in these situations. I think if you're making the Syriani case, you could make the, you know, we were saying, I was arguing that the Eagles had to put all of this infrastructure around him for him to be successful. And maybe it's the case that they found the right way to get the most out of Nick Siriani by putting him

in this, in this box. And this, This is the best place for him to be the fullest version of himself. I mean, it's also, don't you think that's the way the organization just is? I mean, that's kind of how they were with Doug Peterson as well. It's not how it was last year. Right. Oh, I see. I see what you mean.

Yeah, I mean, I recognize the Nixirian has his fault. I also recognize this is the league that gives Liam Cohen the keys to the kingdom. I know. It's so stupid. Pick your GM. This is the perfect, this Liam thing is the perfect NFL. story because all three sides come out looking like gibronies. Like the jaguars look like a joke of an organization for the way that they brought

Balke in and then let him go because they weren't going to get Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen looks like a jabrone for the way that he handled the obfuscation. And to me, the biggest losers in all of this are the Bucks and the way that they are like frantically texting every national reporter to just whine and complain that they can't get a hold of Liam Cohen. Yeah. Yeah. I was saying like I like the Bucks' offense this year.

I remember talking about them before the Eagles Bucks game. But I also think, like, you don't need to turn around your organization for this guy. And so I think sometimes, like, there's not a full appreciation for, like, I think, you know, three seasons of double-digit wins, two years of 14 wins, two NFC championship game appearances. Like, even if you're not the best play caller or even if you're not the play caller and you might, you might do things differently from a game management perspective, it's hard to win games in the end. in the league. So I give him, I give him credit there. And I, I will ask, then there's one question and then as they say in talk radio. We do now have to go to

the ads. We got to get it in. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Okay. Yes. So I want to ask the question after the ads. Oh, you're going to stay. Oh, okay. Or I can just ask it real quick. Ask the question and then on the other side of the average days we'll answer the question. It's what we call a tease. That's what I was going to say. I'll hang up and listen.

Okay. Okay. You're doing a game. where you're doing a contest, name as many players in the 2017 team as you can in 30 seconds. Okay? And I don't think twice about this. I'm just like, sure, whatever you need. I'm happy to do it. And then you're told before that you have to use first names and last names.

Is there strategy behind inserting the first name and the last name? And then also saying that the IRR players don't count. So I just want to, I will hang up and listen. It's ridiculous. It's not strategy. It's just you're naming the players. You have to name their names. Okay.

All right. I think I'm interested. Thanks. Great seeing you, guys. I'll see you on Sunday. He won't say it back. All right. A quick ad reads.

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Zach was trying to do jeopardy rules where you don't have to say that. I don't know why he assumed that that would be the case. Okay. But yeah, there was no, there's no... I mean, it's a good time saver if you've got the 30 second limit. Yeah, but there's no strategy. I'm trying to just play the game as it's meant to be played. Right. Now, I am upset that

Zach's is the only one that's up on Instagram. I'd like to see how mine matched up. I think I might have nipped him, but you know, I'm not the star. without a time limit Can you name all 53? I think I could

Yeah I think I could I think I could I think I could I think I could The classic one who would typically be the last one thought of Would be Will Beatty Probably or Destiny Viya maybe Destiny Viya

Played several snaps You know down the stretch That's true Yeah Yeah Of course not Destiny Vio not Destiny Vio Not Destiny Vueau And that would be a really weird one

To not say the first name Yes Yeah exactly Thanks for watching on TV all of you who are doing that on fast. You can go to all phto-y.com to check out the rest of this episode. We're going to get into the Eagles offense against the commander's defense. But first, let's run through the super chats that we have.

Mikey phased says the agitator is Bo's WWE name. Not bad. Not bad. Caleb Duncan, will Zee-B put the two feet in the pink slippers if the Eagles win? Good question. I think we could convince him to do that. Maybe I can get him to bring him to Nalins. Brian Backer.

Bigger effect on Sunday. Bryce Huff or Josh Huff. What do you think? Probably Josh Huff. Somehow. I agree. Bob Ryan double dips and gives us a rumor. Says Jeffrey Lurie has been seen filling pint containers of snow to pay for Matt Patricia's return as passing game consultant.

Please have ZB follow up at the next presser. Tough. Patricia's got to go back to New England, right? Or is he already in Carolina? with Belichick? You'd assume he just follows them around everywhere, was my understanding, but I don't actually know. I don't know.

I thought it was funny that Brady is hiring Pete Carroll. His continued poking and passive-aggressive-addressive-pettiness at Belichick continues. That's right. Well, yeah, he has, what was I going to say? Oh, he hired a guy named SpyTech, which is an unbelievable, a little bit too, a little bit too on the nose for Brady. Yeah. I don't know how he involved in those meetings,

but they probably said, we're looking at investing in some spy tech, and he said, yeah, it's a good idea. There you go. A little too easy. Finally, Musa, thank you, Musa, who says, Bo's new article for diehards is very, very good.

I mean, I don't, I wouldn't go that far, but thank you. I mean, Danes hasn't read it, so I catch up on my reading of non-exas and those things on Saturday. Like, some of us have a routine,

and we follow the routine. And you got to treat the NFC, championship game the same way you treat week 10 as you know so I was happy actually to now I can add the squint as a part of my Josh Harris impression so that's good it really is very good I should mention before we get into the other side of the ball or whatever we're doing next that I hate this Washington team like I hated so much I went to middle school in just the organization in general well and the fans and everything like I went to middle school and high school in northern

Virginia and so I was amongst a bunch of Washington fans and I've been getting a lot of texts from them this week and you know they're super excited and all that and it's actually a good chance for me to explain to have run how he should take not take this for granted I'm like you know my friends were 13 years old the last time they saw an NFC championship game and now they're all you know now they're all 46 years old and so like just think about how much of their lives has been spent in misery. But yeah, I mean, just so they know. And I'm talking to you, baby Cronenberg and Satlin and Shula and all you people. Shula? It's going to be a bunch more misery.

What a traitor Shula is growing up then and not rooting for the Dolphys. Spelled differently. Spelled differently. But actually, listener of the show regularly. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to leave the commanders alone. I have some thoughts there too.

I mean, whatever. We know the history of the organization. They still play the same song and pretend that their fans don't sing the same words. I mean, come on, give me a break. So if it makes Eagles fans feel better, the Lions had a ridiculous approach to them. And I don't think that's, we're going to see anything like that. I mean, they were blitzing like crazy. They were rushing six.

And I mean, like, Aaron Glenn, like, doesn't seem to know that you're allowed to use the nickel corner to cover somebody. Like he doesn't have to blitz on every single play. I mean, he's like one of the best nickel corners in the league. Yeah. He's just having him blitz every play and the blitz wasn't getting there and there were guys just running wide open. I don't think that kind of stuff's going to happen.

All right, let's flip sides of the ball. Yeah, the Eagles offense. I think one way to flip might be the segue with the Daniels versus Jalen Hertz. Yeah, let's do it. Those are the noncharts. The graphics I sent you ahead of time, Julia. This is this kind of is about both offenses. we've talked about Jalen Hertz's non-targets before

how he has a very high rate of that Not a violation at all That question about selling the ticket not at all Guys says he sold his he sold his ticket to the game for 1,300 bucks He's still going to the game is that a violation Oh not at all Still going to the game Why would it be a violation?

That's fine I guess the concern would be if it's too a commander's fan Oh yeah yeah no So Jalen Hertz and Jaden Daniels had the two highest rates of dropbacks resulting in non-targets on the season. And when you look at their overall efficiency, they're, like, when you look at,

when they do throw the ball, Jalen Hertz has had a much higher EPA per dropback than Jadenynolds, which might be surprising to some people. He doesn't throw the ball as often, but when he does, he's been more efficient. But when you look at their overall EPA per drop back, they're about the same. They're almost tied.

And the reason is that when they don't target a receiver, Jaden Daniels has been not as costly. to his team. And the reason is, they've got sacked basically the same rate, both got sacked around 10% of the time. But the big difference was that Daniels had far more productive scrambles and far fewer throwaways. So, and when you watch Jalen Hertz and you watch it in Daniels, that's something that you'll note that Daniels doesn't throw the ball away nearly as much as Jalen Hertz does. In the playoffs, it's become even more pronounced in that Daniels has eliminated the sacks, right? So, Julia, if you look at the, if you look at the, I guess there are two.

There's one with like, from the regular season, yeah. Do you want the, yeah, which one do you want first? Regular season? The regular season first, just to put it in context, like, how often these two quarterbacks end up not targeting a receiver on a dropback. Both of them are close to a quarter of the time. And you can see from the chart that, you know, they're the two highest in this category. And just to be clear, not targeting a receiver means when you're dropping back,

you are either sacked, you throw the ball away, or you scramble. Right. And the blue there is sacks. And so you can see they got sacked at around the same rate. But then you can see a difference between the orange, which is throwaways. Daniels had fewer than half as many as Jalen Hurts. And then the scrambles are the, that's like the red part of the bar. Jay and Daniels had a lot more scrambles.

Both quarterbacks were very good when they scrambled. But the higher number of scrambles for Daniels made him more efficient when he didn't target a receiver. If you switch to the playoff graph, Julia, the biggest difference between the regular season and the playoffs for these two quarterbacks, is the sack rate. Jaden Daniels has been sacked once in two games. He's been sacked less than any other quarterback in the playoffs, including the ones that only played one game and got eliminated. Whereas Jalen Hertz has gone in the opposite direction,

he's been sacked on 18% of his dropbacks. And strangely, in this last game, we talked about how he got sacked seven times. Under-discussed. Zero throwaways in the game. Like, you know, when like the entire stadium is yelling throw it away and he just takes a sack, it's crazy to have a game with seven sacks and no throwaways.

Like normally when there's seven sacks, you also threw it away a few times because the pressure was just getting there the whole time. So just, you know, this is more maybe descriptive than anything else, but this is how it's been going in the playoffs. Game theory-wise on the last offensive drive when he's rolling out left, would you have preferred to throw that away? You lose clock, but you still get third and seven or whatever it is?

Yeah, and I thought about that, like, on right then I was upset that he took the sack, and I still am, because it's going to be third and seven, and you're going to have a chance to get the first down still. You're giving up that chance completely by taking the sack, because you know they're going to run it on third and 19 or whatever. Of course. So you've got, like, a chance of not giving them the ball back is gone. But the downside is you're giving them the ball back with like 140 left and their timeouts. But they had the time. It made a difference in how many timeouts they had lost. That is one where there was enough time.

That is the only one where I feel like that is what he was coached to do. I'm sure. I would imagine that in that scenario, he was told you're better off taking a sack. Especially when you're calling a boot like that where you know that could happen. Yeah. No, maybe. I mean, look, you know on that I haven't been a big Kellyn Moore fan.

I thought this was like just a horrendous Kellyn Moore game, the Rams game. It's just awful. I mean, the safety, for the first time all year, it occurs to you that you can run deep routes when your quarterback is throwing the ball in a hobbled knee from the middle of his own end zone, and the three first reads are 40 yards down the field. I mean, I don't know if you saw the all 22 of that play, but the guys are running to the 40-yard line.

Jalen's reading that. It looks terrible on TV because it looks like Dallas Goddard's right there. But if he's coached to first read the play downfield, then Gallimore beats Cam Jergens way too quickly for him to get to the checkdown. And so it makes him look terrible because Dallas is like wide open. But the play is not designed to be checked down there. It's just an awful, awful play call. Well, I know it's not designed.

And I am not absolving the play call. It's a terrible play call there. Yeah. I still think that in that situation, the quarterback has to have in his mind. If I'm in the end zone, I know where my checkdown is. I can at least like fake throw the ball.

Because even if it's called grounding, you can still get a safety. I think there's a difference between a quarterback who's used to quick pressure. and one who's used to his offensive line being awesome and his center not getting, his pro bowl center like not getting beaten so quickly, you know,

by a guy. So, yeah, are you a little bit worried about a slight downturn from the offensive line last week or you chalk it up to the snow? Yeah, it's hard to say.

There were some plays where they were getting great push in the run game when the D-tackles were sliding back and there were others where they weren't able to react to the games because they were sliding. And so, I don't know. It wasn't a good game by the offensive line. It wasn't a good game by Dallas Goddard

in the run game either. And there was one split zone run where he was coming across to block the defensive end and he just shied away from the contact which I've never seen him do and the defensive end made the stop on the play and I was like whoa is that like

that looked like CJ Usoma there right? And I'm wondering if Cam Durgan's and Dallas Goddard were already both injured for parts of the game I don't know. I don't know like it's hard to pinpoint when it happened but it was not a good game for the offensive line and the Eagles run game

I mean we look at the Sequin runs which obviously were the difference in the game but from a success rate perspective especially in the second half there were only three successful runs in the second half three for 15 I mean it was not a pretty it was not pretty and one of the stylistic differences in the run game

after Jalen got hurt and I was going to ask you about this the Eagles were in pistol on four of the first 46 snaps that was before the injury after the injury nine of the last last 18. So it's going up from 9% to 50%. And you could ask like, like, who cares, pistol, shotgun? What's the difference? Well, the difference is when the Eagles run inside zone from pistol and they did it six times after the injury, there's no read element. So you're not, you're not taking

away a player that you don't have to block. And so the tight end is blocking the backside edge. You've basically got one fewer guy to block. And they were absolutely selling out to stop the run. And so it's not surprising that those plays mostly didn't work. Now, of course, you've got the 78 yarder where everything worked out perfectly against the way they were lined up, but that's the thing. It's going to be like Feaster Famine on that, and I know

running the ball is considered a conservative approach, but it's almost like, it's almost very high variance. It's like you're hoping for the home run. Right? But if you don't get it, you've got a lot of unsuccessful plays in a row. Now, I do think that they would think that in this game, despite the fact that

you know, the six of the eight quarters, or whatever. They have been, the commander's defense has been pretty good against the Eagles rushing attack, that they're going to be able

to get like five yards at a higher clip than they did last week. But I, the pistol thing is interesting because to your point, it's like if you go to pistol, you're waving the white flag

on we don't want Jill to run the ball. You're making it obvious. You're making it obvious. Yeah. Taking away the, the guess of it. And I would imagine

that they're not going to start that way. Or it's the thing we talked about before the rope adope. you start that way and pistol get them to suck it in and then you want jalen to keep one later but maybe i mean for what it's worth the 78 yarder was not pistol in fact they were talking about what side sequence to be on it also wasn't a read it was a split zone but uh yeah i mean i i think you i agree with you that jalen will tell the coaching staff like it doesn't matter like

money doesn't matter call the game it's the nfc championship you know like you know like you know it's like the the mohomes injury from two years ago like yeah yeah i you know listen it's easy for me say it's not my body but sure I think I we know that the way that Jalen is wired he's not going to be like you know don't call this because it might hurt me I think he he wants to run the stuff that they run right now when it comes to the Eagles running the ball in this game which is going to be the main thing that the Eagles will try to do in this game it's worth noting that the 32% rushing success in week 16 was the very worst of the season by the starters right like other than that last Giants game 11 successful

runs the whole game Now Jalen didn't play for most of the game, and that might have been part of the reason. There are certain runs where you're not going to trust. You don't have to worry about Kenny Pickett running the ball. There was that counter run for a touchdown in the first quarter, the 68-yarder by Sequin. And it involved Grant Calcutera on the front side climbing to Bobby Wagner and blocking him. Kelsey talked about this on the radio this week. He said, I watched the film of that game.

Bobby Wagner made an adjustment. And he was not going to get blocked by that tight end again. And sure enough, like, I went back and watched the film after I heard that. And Bobby Wagner is, like, making Calcutera whiff on that same run over and over again after that. And that counter run, like, didn't work again in the game. Lane Johnson said that they didn't make the right adjustments to the things that they did. So I'm sure, like, they've been in the room, like, working on those things. And Jordan Maillata was particularly upset because if you remember, Reed Blankenship got an interception,

which should have ended the game at the end. Right. But then the Eagles went three in field goal. Like it was like a three and you know instead of instead of getting that first down right They made the play to win the game and then yeah right and the and the biggest problem on that Obviously Devanty smith's drop is the biggest play but on first down on that on that three in field goal they lost three yards on a counter run And it was Jordan my lot of getting beat by Johnny Newton on the backside and he was very upset about that He was asked an espresso yesterday what play he was upset about and he said he didn't remember but that was the one I remember he said after the game he said we miscommunicated we didn't get it right

I think this eagle's offensive line and Jeff Stoutland are very proud of how good they are at this stuff. And they are going to be all over this Washington defense. Like I think they should be able to run all over the uncertainty of who's going to play comes into play. I know. But I mean, just this Washington defense has been terrible, like against the run, just awful. And to give you a sense of that, I think there's this kind of weird narrative around this Washington defense that they have been better of late. because they got the turnovers.

But when you look at them by success rate and by things that are sustainable in any way, I mean, the Tampa Bay game was like a defense optional game. I mean, both teams were driving up and down the field. It was a 70th percentile game for Tampa Bay by EPA per drive, success rate, and everything. Detroit was even better. You might say Detroit's offense turned the ball over,

but it was a 74th percentile game by EPA per drive, despite the turnovers. It was 98th percentile by success rate. one of the highest success rates of the year for any offense, and 100th percentile by APA per rush. Now, this, basically what I'm saying is if you weren't for the turnovers, it would have been like a historically terrible performance. And you could say, like, you know, like other than that, you know, Mrs. Lincoln or whatever.

But I don't think turnovers are something that you can just expect to happen again. Jalen Hertz is not going to throw the ball to the cover two safety like Jared Gough did for no reason. Like, you know Jailen Hurts isn't throwing that ball. And so to use our baseball analogy, where stops on series are like a batting average, Washington has been giving up 81% of their series for first downs on defense. So they're batting 190 on defense, exactly. And the home runs are the turnovers. So they've been getting home runs. Or they've been striking out.

Jack Cust of a defense. There you go. Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, I don't know. I mean, Joe Whit can talk about how they're going to hit Jalen and all that. kind of stuff, but this is the bad Dewe's stuff to be like incredible loser energy. Oh, I fully agree.

Like, yeah, I fully agree. Being you're acting all tough and like, if they want to expose the quarterback, come on, man. Yeah, I actually think that every NFL game doesn't involve the defense wanting to hit the quarterback. Like, you're acting as if like there's something on the coordinator too is like if their coordinator decides that he's going to run like

he's going to pay. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Go fight killing more, dude. No, it's it's, um, yeah. No, I, I think that we can expect some fireworks on both sides of the ball, but maybe more on this side of the ball than last time. Last time the fireworks were on the other side, it was like Diami Brown and CJGJ getting into it.

I don't think the Eagles offensive line is going to be just forgetting what Frankie Louvre did to Jalen in that game. He's a bit of a head hunter in general. I actually think that it will be even more pronounced if Lennon Dickerson has to play center because I think he's the guy most likely to get to get really into it. And I feel like if he's the center, it's going to be even more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like even when he's not making the calls, like he's on the film. Like he's the most, his arms are waving all over the place and everything. I think he would, and Lane Johnson was joking about how he looks like a conductor when he's in the center. It would be very funny to see, like, I mean, I hope Cam plays, but it would be very funny if Landon Dickerson is out there just like going crazy before every play. Yeah. The other thing you have on here from this matchup is that the commanders were blitzing a ton. And do you think that they're going to do that again? I actually do think that they will.

They haven't been blitzing much in these playoffs. So they're like 17% blitz or something. But Baker Mayfield and Jared Gough are obviously very different quarterbacks. Those are very different offenses than what the Eagles do. In week 11, they blitzed 16 times. Frankie Louvue lines up as a defensive end on third downs. Take those out. He blitzed 10 times when he wasn't lined up as a defensive end.

So like just on early downs, he blitzed 10 times. He was unblocked a few times. They also had blitzes from Wagner, the nickel. They had a safety blitz. And the Eagles did not do well against the blitz at all at first and then recovered and had some big plays later. I would think that their approach in this game will be heavy, heavier blitz than we've seen from them in the playoffs so far.

And also I expect them to play a lot more man coverage and to have Marshaun Latimore travel with AJ. And the reason I say that is because that's what they did in week 16. If you recall, week 11, they didn't have Latimore yet. St. Jus was playing. They played a lot of zone in that game. Zinjust. Benjamin, St. Justa. They also have Jean-Bautista.

So it's fun. So the approach, I think, will be let Lattimore travel with A.J. They didn't have Lattimore travel in either of the two playoff games. He stayed on. So Lattimore has been playing on the right side, and San Rist still has been playing on the left side. Dan Quinn talked about that earlier this week, and he said that about the lions,

he said they do so much motion that we didn't want to be chasing guys. Makes sense. Okay. And so we just decided to stay on sides. The Eagles, of course, don't do nearly as much motion. And so I would expect that it will be more like in week 16. With Latimore, if the Eagles get into a third and long situation, do you think that they should bring in Kenny Pickett so that they can finally get a pass interference?

Yeah, absolutely. Kenny Pickett for the season. in three pass interferences drawn. Jalen Hurts still at one. Kind of unbelievable, and all three on Lattimore. This defense is interesting. I don't think they're good, but I do think they try interesting things that other defenses don't try.

And one of them is being dirty. Being dirty for sure. That other defenses sometimes try that too. But they will use their personnel in a more interesting way than other teams do. So, for example, when the Eagles were in 13 personnel in that game, and they did the same thing against the lions, they'll take off one of the corners,

and they'll play with three safeties and one corner in base, which very few teams do that. Like most teams just automatically leave two corners on the field. And then when the Eagles were in 11 on early downs, one of the things they did, and I'm going to look for this in this game, I'm sure it'll come up early in the game. One of the things that they did is they would play base

so that they would have big bodies in the box. So they would have four defensive linemen and three off-ball linebackers. But because there are three wide receivers on the field, they would still play with three corners and they would take Jeremy Chin off the field. Okay. So look, this is like, you know, in the weed stuff,

but it's like, it shows that they in that game were willing to play base, cover Grant Alcatara with a linebacker if needed and make sure they had the, make sure they had the corners to cover the wide receivers. The one thing that could change that is that Dallas gutter. I was going to say, you boy. Right. Dallas gutter could be, you know,

in the passing game a mismatch in that sense. So they might abandon that package. So that's one of the things I'll look for. We're talking like four or five snaps a game. This isn't like the fabric of the game or anything. But sometimes on a key down, that could be a difference. Okay. What's your temperature check here?

Do you feel good about this matchup? Again, I feel so good about the Eagles when Washington has the ball. And I feel very good about Washington's defense being bad when the Eagles have the ball. Of the hundred offenses to make it to the championship game, NFC or AFC in the true media era since 2000

this Eagles offense ranks 95th so far an EPA per dropback 94th in overall success rate They are trying to become the 2015 Broncos They're the only team to win the Super Bowl

With numbers that are comparable So now look It's only been two playoff games And there are two more And maybe This is just playoff performance This is just in the playoffs Oh yeah

Oh yeah no no no regular season This offense was fine And that's the other thing by the serious conversion rate numbers for the two playoff games, two lowest of the season for the Eagles out of the 19 games, including the game with the backups and everything. So, I mean, this has not been a... Now, of course, the series conversion rates are going to be lower

when you have three touchdowns of 40 plus yards early in drives. That's true, because they only get one conversion on that. Right. So it's kind of like the Washington defense version of offense, right? It's like, it's going to be when the Eagles have the ball, it's going to be two units that have been really bad on a play-by-play basis, but have been hitting home runs. And it's going to be which one hits the home runs.

It's the ultimate Siriani double positive game, right? Like it's like, don't turn it over and get explosive plays. And that's exactly what this offense has been doing. And then the Washington defense has been getting the turnovers. And so that'll be the, I guess something will have to give or, you know, maybe there will be some of both. I don't know. The four teams that are alive have not turned.

the ball over a single time in the playoffs. That's seven games of zero journalists. And each of them has a member of the 2017 Eagles on their active roster. Ooh. Oh, man. Now I'm going to, now you're going to, okay. I mean, Zach Hertz, obviously. Correct.

Oh, man, this should be easy, right? A member of the 2017 Eagles on the active roster. On the active roster. I should know. Russell Douglas Correct Actually the bills have two Okay

Do I have to get the second one Or is that? Okay Russell Douglas And Who am I missing? The Chiefs? Oh no

Oh no This is probably Not great entertainment Mac Hollins is the other bill Oh yeah Yeah okay Yeah I should have known that And then on the Chiefs

Oh no Oh, how dare you. This is really bad. It's like a Bowulf favorite? Or no? No. Okay. Oh, man.

Side of the ball? He's a quarterback. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, sorry. I'm sorry. Now, he wasn't active in the Super Bowl, but he is a member of the 2017 Eagles. Yes.

How are you feeling about this uniform? Did you see the game he played? It was very funny. It was very funny. It was very funny. got the Broncos into the playoffs you know the Eagles like winning so many games at home in a row

has kind of killed my midnight green on white that's good yeah which is good I mean up to like 21 and 15 or something which isn't even that bad a record yeah the midnight green on white is on a huge win streak I would like to see the black socks but we're probably not going to see the black socks

so I'll give up on it any other any other little bits of minutia that are on your mind for this matchup I think it's interesting when you start step back and think about how under center play action and motion and all these kind of trendy things that we talked about. And all those teams are sitting at home, right? You've got the Rams, the Lions, the Packers, like all these motion, heavy motion, heavy undercenter play action teams. And you've got two teams that are 30th and 31st and under center play action in the

NFC championship game, gun run, quarterback plus one run game with very little motion as well. Both teams are in the bottom quarter of motion. So people take. send to overreact in the NFL to like which team succeeded. I mean, this game could easily have been Rams Lions and then it would be like, you know, the under center teams got there. But I thought it was kind of interesting that stylistically we're seeing, we're moving away from that Shanahan McFay thing. To me, there's like if we get there, if it's Eagles chiefs,

I like the framing of the chiefs have clearly established themselves. They are the best football team in modern NFL history. nobody can beat them in playing modern football and so here come the Eagles who are trying to play throwback 1980s football and maybe this is the only way to beat them. Yeah, no, that's very good. I mean, it really is, it really is throwback

1980s, 1990s football. You were talking about Coward's Draws earlier? Yeah. It occurred to me that Sequin's 68 or the 62-yard touchdown the first long one? The first one, yeah. Yeah, was on a third and four, which, and I don't think like,

did you even think about how that was on third and four? Like it's so normal for the Eagles to run it on third and four now that we don't even say like, oh my God, why are they running it? And if you look at that play,

it was actually exactly the kind of play that Siriani will point to and say this is why we run on third down. They overloaded the front so that there were three D-Linmen on one side and only one D-Linman on the right side.

Jalen checked into the play, if you recall. And you have Cam Juergens, Which I like that one because they had, well, go ahead. No, no, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I like that they had the three receivers left. This was the one where the Rams also had their stacked defensive line, the big guys on one side.

And so it was the perfect call for that situation. Once you beat one guy, he's got a free ram. The Eagles are second in the league at two by two sets, by the way. This was one of the things we talked about last year. It's continued that way. That was the first three by one on that drive. And it was the one to the boundary. He changes the play to a run towards the boundary.

at a bunch of little guys. Byron Young was the only D-Lignment on that side. He was blocked by the MVP of the running game, Dallas-Cotter. Now you look at the three offensive linemen on that side, they all blocked a little guys. Lane Johnson blocked Kobe Durant on the play, which is very funny, a cornerback. You've got Cam Juergens blocking safety,

and you have Mackay Beckton just destroying Christian Roseboom. And on the mic'd up, they're asking each other, did we all pancake somebody on that point? It's like, well, yeah, you're blocking little kids, you know? But I thought it was really funny that that's such a good example of This is why they run the ball on third down Yeah if you're gonna have these exotic fronts to try to run stunts or whatever you're doing on third and four Like that's not gonna fly and of course you'd hope that that would also help the past game because it'll

discourage defensive coordinators from having from optimizing for pass rush if you don't think they might not even pass it some game notes here to run by you let me know how you how you feel here Now, honorary captain of the game. Oh, man. Here you go. You got the, I don't know if you can see this. It's going to be Nick Foles. I got to stand up.

It will be the Eagles honorary captain for this game. So they're going to the well for that one. Half time. Last week was the Frisbee dogs. This week, Armani White will play a medley of hits at halftime. And then this is the one that's on my radar because two weeks ago, wild card round, you had Von, Sacks, knocking it out with the sacks.

The anthem. Last week, Dr. Jesse McGuire. We've gone instrumental. The first two games. Do you go back to it? The Eagles are not. They are going away from the instruments, and they are going to Philadelphia native Mary Kate Morrissey, who is currently starring as Elfaba

in the hit Broadway musical, Wicked. She's going to sing it. I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't mess with success, dance with the girl who brought you. Do you expect the vibes pregame to be anything close to 2017? No, because they don't have a song.

That's a good point. They don't have a rally and cry song like that. How disturbing was it to learn that Howie Roseman has a say in the locker room. I agree. He doesn't have his hands in enough in the organization? He's going to take on that too. No, I do enjoy that after every first touchdown of the game, they play, This is Howie Roseman.

This is Howie Roseman. Yeah. He asked for that too. Yeah. Well, obviously. Yeah, I mean, that's. Is there nothing that he can't? I never, like, you know, I always chuckled during, this is how we wrote.

I always sing along. You know, this is Howie Roseman. Yeah. So. One of my, one of my lasting impressions on the world. Oh, not the only one. I said one of you. You know, we were watching

Tamugrugé Hill the other day. Emily, Emily started singing the song. So, yeah. Kamma, come, come on,

come on, Camagroo, Jiu. He'll be the will. Yep, that was a good one. Okay. Anything else?

No, I'm really looking forward to doing some Super Bowl preview shows. That's the plan, right? That's the plan. What day are you guys

going. We go out Sunday so that we can be there for Monday of Media Day. Gotcha. My flights for Friday morning. Let me know if you need me. I mean, we're going to need you at some point. I mean, you know, I can I can I can you know show up at something in New Orleans if you want. We got to

have dinner with Paul McCartney again maybe Yeah, maybe we'll get it up this time. Maybe we'll get Ringo. Yeah, maybe maybe yeah. I mean it was a loss last time so I got to change something up. Yeah. Go birds. Sorry about your loss. All right. Oh, we have some super chats that we have since come in.

Real Time with Prince Blue says, does the professor hate track because they run? Good question. I personally hate running. When I see people running, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, why are they running? It's just brutal. I loved playing ball sports.

Like, I loved playing basketball. I love playing, you know, squash, whatever. And once my knees gave out and I couldn't do that anymore, were like, well, you can still do the elliptical or whatever. Like anything that doesn't involve like competition or a ball or whatever. I agree with that, actually. I could play a game all day long. Yeah.

But yeah, if it's if it's just. I actually did a semester. I did one season of track in high school doing long distance. And then I got offered a job as the baseball PA announcer. And I like quit right away. I was like, yeah, I'll do the baseball PA announcing. Like that's way better. So, yeah.

Going to give us a taste of that? Maybe similar time. I did basketball as well. I was the basketball PA guy, which was a lot of fun. But, yeah. All right. I guess that'll do it.

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