PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Without Nolan Smith, do Eagles have enough pass rush to affect Baker Mayfield?

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Hello, Jalyx Hunt, Za’Darius Smith, Josh Uche, Obo Okoronkwo and maybe even Azeez Ojulari. With Nolan Smith placed on IR, the Eagles’ already-mediocre edge rush group is under an even tighter spotlight as the Eagles look to rid themselves of their bad luck in Tampa. On the other side, the question is whether A.J. Brown and Jalen Hurts will be let loose again by Kevin Patullo and Nick Sirianni against Todd Bowles’ blitz-heavy Bucs defense. Fran Duffy breaks it all down with EJ Smith and Bo Wulf before they get back in the Swooper arena, with or without judges this time. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody from the Xfinity Studio. This is the PHLY Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley. And boy, do we have a path Thursday show for you today. Lots of injury news to get to. Kind of dive into the weeds of this matchup. We got a little for the return of something or nothing, the segment that's sweeping the nation thanks to the coinage of E.J. Smith. And, of course, we get back into round four.

of swooper. Fran, how are you, my friend? Doing great. Yeah, it's, I mean, another big matchup here. It's, I feel like we're going to be saying that a lot about the Eagles going this year. You're always going to get everybody's best shot,

but it just feels like every game has got a little bit of juice. So it's a, no doubt about it. Going to break down. This will be a fun one. I get some like off topic stuff I want to get to, but I'm not going to do it at the top. I mean, let's say, that's rare for you.

Let's get into. There's too much news to get to. And so E.J. Smith, our Eagles insider, why don't we start with the injury report and all the ramifications they're in. Let's start with the guys on IR, which most notably Nolan Smith. He's been reported to have a tricep strain that's related to the torn triceps he suffered in the Super Bowl last year. He was placed on IR on Wednesday along with Darius Cooper and Jacorian Bennett.

So a couple of surprise inclusion or additions to the injured reserve list yesterday. So these guys are all out for at least four games. Yes. All of them like the, you know, whisper down the lane is that hopefully the game after the buy. Yeah, the expectation is that all of those guys will have a chance to return. Probably the game after the by week, which is again, the Monday night game against the Packers and shortly thereafter. So not season enders, but yeah, they should miss at least the next four or five games. And interesting in both the case of Nolan Smith, Angie Corrie and Bennett that they finished that game injured and went on injured reserve.

Let's start with Nolan Smith. That's the most important one here. First, how do you feel now about the state of the past rush, Fran? and what are they losing in Nolan Smith on the, on the just the short term basis? So what you're losing with Nolan Smith, one of your tempo setters up front, you know,

a guy that is able to set the tone. We know the physicality that he brings, both as a pass rusher, but then also as a run defender. They're going to miss his presence off the edge in that way. You're hoping that you can get a little bit of that juice from Zadarius Smith, you know,

grizzled vet who, you know, has been in a lot of those battles and can have that same kind of element. But I think there's like a youthful exuberance with Nolan Smith that I think that, again, was a little bit of a tone-setting element for this defense last year. So I think you are certainly missing that. There's also, I mean, the way he plays, and this is a larger conversation,

it is like sort of a youthful naivete, right? Like he's so flippant with the way he uses his body, right? I mean, he's so violent almost to the point of not even considering what the ramifications of that violence will be. And that is a real concern for the Eagles long term. We talked about it this offseason. Nolan Smith was so good in the second half of last season. Yep.

But the way that he plays with that frame does seem to invite the possibility of injury. And it is unfortunate that that is already coming home to roost in three games into this season. Yeah, but it's tricky because he's not like he's not necessarily the type of player. I feel like that is what makes him special. Right. Without that violence, would he be really getting from him? Nearly that good. Not to say that he's like an effort guy or like a try hard guy, you know, like to throw him in like the Trey Hendrickson. although Trey Hendrickson's a good player.

So I think Motor is an important thing for an edge rusher. And without that, I don't know if Nolan Smith is one of those guys that can kind of skate by or move at 80%. So it's kind of a double-edged sword where you sort of feel like he needs that, that edge. And what do you think about, you know, for the next couple weeks,

the way that we will see this edge rusher rotation shake out, E.J. Yeah, I would expect Sedaris Smith to take on a bigger role as he progresses and learns more of the defense. He talked about that yesterday. you know, he started 16 games last year. So he's obviously, he's used to having a pretty big role in a defense. So I think he could step into some of that. And then you start to think about the ramifications on the back end of the edge

rusher rotation. You know, Patrick Johnson has been up on game days. So maybe that would lend you to believe that he would be the fourth guy. But I don't think so. Yeah, I agree. Because I feel like he's more of a special teams contributor than a pass rush contributor. I found it interesting that Zadarius talked about Obo and Aziz as the two. options to kind of fill in that that back half of that rotation.

So I have a problem. I mean, listen, Aziz Ojalari. They kept him on the roster. Yeah. Even though they've both been inactive for all three games for a reason, presumably this being that reason. Either that or they're holding out hoping that there's some trade value to be had as the season progresses and there's injuries across the league.

It's not like you're, it's not like you're improving their trade value by letting them just gather dust. I wasn't, I'm not suggesting that they will. But listen, I do actually, I think we may get, it will say, we'll say, we'll how the inactive's play out. I would be surprised if they're not both up this week because you think about

the tension between Vic and Howie in terms of how much he wants those guys to play. I think from Howie's perspective, part of the reason he was willing to let those guys on the defensive line play as much as they did is because they were young. They had young legs.

And so if you've got Zadaria Smith and Agba Ocaronkwo, guys who were both in their 30s taking over that mantle, and then Aziz's is young, Like I think it's going to take all of those guys to replace those snaps kind of. Yeah. And there's a chance that we're sitting here a couple of weeks from now talking about the fact, maybe even a week from today, talking about the fact that they need to just add to that position that the guys that they have now aren't sufficient. Yeah. How dire do you think this is, Fran?

It's not great. I do think that when you look at Nolan, yeah, because there's some chatter in the chat about the chat. Not just in chat. Yeah, we'll get there. There's some chatter in the chat about, well, you know, how much has. as Nolan really brought as a rusher. You know, it's not like he was completely showing up in the first three games. Yeah. I will say Dallas, it was a lot of run game play action. Certainly last week, a lot of play action from the ramps, a lot of run game. And then Kansas City, Mahomes is traditionally one of the hardest quarterbacks to sack in football.

So I don't think that necessarily these were the three games where you were going to see Nolan Smith really show out as a rusher. You know, would you have liked to see him make more of an impact on the quarterback? Sure. But it's not like, oh, man, he was, he, he, he, He didn't look good as a rusher over the first three games. So they're going to miss him. To me, like, he's their best edge rusher. Like, he's their, he's their best guy.

So even though that's not a strength of this team, they are, they are certainly going to miss what he reaches. Just to remind people, where are you on Azizzo Jalari after liking him a lot as a prospect? Yep. But then watching him last season and then also over the summer. Yeah, I mean, he didn't, he didn't look all that great. You know, I don't want to take a term that others have coined. But there might be that W, that washed term you might throw around, you know, with,

just because the injuries have taken their toll. He has not, he, he did not look like a guy that was a second round pick four years ago. Not a lot of years. This summer. Yeah. Yeah. Here's my question. Do you think that Howie has already placed a call to Brandon Graham? You tell me.

You tell all of us. I mean, well, honestly, it's just the three of us talking. You know, you know, just, what do you think? Uh, I don't know anything. I would be surprised if he hasn't checked in. Right. I remember Chris Long saying it was a year it was the year after he retired

like there was there was like after he had already come back once he came back the first he was that that was 2018 he came back yeah so then 2019 and I forget the exact specifics but like they had conversations like all right like what kind of shape are you in

I would guess that there's some kind of conversation like I would imagine so it's hard to argue that he wouldn't solidify that ad-dressing group at least to a certain extent he played it I don't know you would get this year yeah yeah but he played I mean, maybe it would take him time to ease back into it. But like the player that he was last season, even if we'll do this,

an area smithing that we did when they signed him, even if it's 70 or 80% of that guy, that is still a valuable player. If what you are really missing with Nolan Smith is not, you know, a little bit of pass rush juice, it is some violence on the edge. Yeah.

Like setting the tone in run defense. Yeah, I think you're going to get that from Brandon Graham. Yeah. But I'm just like imagining like, I would imagine, okay. I would just hope it would announce it on the podcast, but yeah. Yeah. If he were to come back, I would imagine that like,

Eagles Entertainment's going to have him miced up like the first hit on his return and just like the idea of him going on the field or like the first time like the trash talk that will ensue. Yeah, like that's just the energy. That would be great. On one hand, I'm like he rode off into the sunset. Yeah, you're not going to get. I don't want to like want to risk it, but maybe he rides off in the second. Get so many, you know, that's a great point.

Your body only has so many years in it if you feel like it does. I don't know. Yeah. I'm sure. I would imagine those are things that he might. be wrestling with, but I don't even know if he's heard from having. Check out the Unblocked Podcast. Check out the Unblock Podcast.

The most recent episode is up on all your social and YouTube channels. Can I offer a counterpoint? Okay. This team wasn't built around its edge group to go in the season. I mean, you really are just hoping that this edge group is the floor, you know, that they can just give you a bare minimum. Well, they weren't. Like I just, Nolan Smith being placed on IR, like, I mean, I guess because of the guys

behind him, you could have argued he's like, like, you know, like maybe the fourth or the fifth most important player on this defense. But to me, this is a defense that's still built the same exact way. It's built by itself. I honestly think it's built back to front. I think the secondary is most important. And then from there,

like your interior pass rush is still the one that you're going to lean on. So I don't know. If you told me like there's a position, if you told me had to pick a position group on the Eagles defense that was going to get hit by injuries, I probably would argue at Drusher. Counterpoint to your counterpoint. Okay.

That defense that was built back to front last year. that secondary is not as good not as good this year. And the defensive tackle group is not as good right now as it was a year ago. Because Jalen Carter doesn't look like he's the Jalen Carter. And I think you were not counting on your edge group to be the best part of your defense, but you're counting on competency. Yeah. And there's a chance now that you're, I mean, competency is.

You still probably get that from Zadaria Smith and J. Lexon. I don't know. I listen, it's not ideal. I'm not saying it's a good thing. But I'm just saying that like if we were sitting here talking about injuries to defensive tackle, linebacker, or, I mean, we'll talk. about corner, that would have me a little bit more worried than the Eddresher group. My other question here, and this, if we had foreseen this scenario in May, I think all of

us would have thought, okay, well, then what about playing Jahad Campbell on the edge? Yeah. A little bit more. Right. Do you think that's going to, you know, we'll get to the injury report because both he and Zach Bond did not practice yesterday. Yes. But do you think that is something that they will consider? I think it's an interesting proposition, especially because Nikobie Dean will be eligible to come

off of Pup next week. Yeah. So maybe you start to feel like, okay, we have competent linebacker play. I don't know. Again, they've sort of, it feels like they're building some momentum around the linebackers that they have. I don't know if you really want to mess with it. I agree.

So I'm a little bit wary of it, but I do think that if you need five to 10 snaps, obvious past rushing situations and you need some juice, I think John Campbell could offer you something. But again, he's so good in coverage. He's so good in the middle of the field. It's hard to like, it's hard to feel good about taking him out of those positions. Okay. Let's talk about corner because with Georgian Bennett. placed on injured reserve and Adori Jackson

not practicing yesterday feels like we're going to get Kili Ringo this weekend. Is that how you feel? Yeah, that's how I feel. I mean, Kili Ringo spoke yesterday. Just basically talked about the fact that he's been preparing. As if you were starting, you always hear that from guys. You know, he talked about how he's trusting in his preparation.

And I thought it was very noteworthy that Vick said, like, he's going to get his opportunity. This is before we knew about this thing. But I think he was doing. And he said, I know he'll be ready. Like, to me, maybe that's him trying to build confidence. It does seem like Keeley. It seems like he's got a soft spot for Keeley sometimes, doesn't it? Like he's... Can I tell you something? I have a soft spot for Keeley.

So do I. I really love talking to that. I really like Keeley Ringo. So do I. I mean, I was on Keeley Ringo Island all summer and I'm still there. I'm still there. I think there's a player there. I just, I don't know. I'm rooting for him. Yeah, I don't feel great about it this week, but I think he could turn into something. What were you going to say? I wouldn't go as far as like, I'm really rude for him. But like, yeah, like, I've, I've left the light on for him for sure. I'm glad that they kept them. I think there were some people that thought like, oh, you know, move on, try and trade them.

You know, that's not like a young player. It's like him as a person. Sure. Yeah. I like him as a player and a person. I was like, I was pounding the table for Keely Ringgo all summer. Honestly, I'm grateful you guys don't beat me up on that more than you. Like you got you could really hold me to the fire on that one. But I don't know. I think that there's still a player there. The problem is, you know, it's going to be in a game,

this game at least, against a team where the quarterback gets rid of the ball quickly and throws it downfield. And now you're worried about the pass rush. And you don't know like what's going to happen. You know, how is the other, like it's not, it's not an ideal situation to be thrown into. Yeah. And it's not.

Isaiah Rogers like looks like the Eagles made mistake there. Yeah. But like Isaiah Rogers is cameos last season. It was kind of an ideal situation to be thrown into. Like you were one part of an awesome unit. Like this is a little bit different than that. Yeah. And they're going to throw out him a ton.

Yeah. Quinion's on the other side. So, and if Quinion follows, he's got to flip side to side. It's a tough, it's a tougher job than I think we anticipated like that outside corner spot because of all the moving pieces. And, you know, we've talked about some of the coverage busts from the Eagle Secondary and how that might be a contributing factor. So it's a difficult job. And Keely Ringgo had a really chaotic training camp in like the worst way possible chaotic. Like, you know, just felt like he couldn't really get out of his own way sometimes. So I think the hope is he had a month to kind of recuperate, you know, work behind the scenes and now he's ready to

go again because he has played good football for them in the past. So yeah, I'm intrigued to see what it looks like with him. I think having options is important. You know, Perry Nickerson was signed to the active roster with all these moves. Yeah, that was interesting, huh? I find that very interesting because that to me, just like when you had a Dory Jackson out there, you wanted to have a Jacorian Bennett break glass in case of emergency. I think the break glass in case of emergency now is Perry Nickerson in the slot Cooper to gene at outside corner and that makes sense if you think about it just from like if keely ringo is really struggling what is your next option yeah that would probably is your best option what were the other two uh moves corresponding moves who else was

put on the active roster sorry let me grab it should have had it for you well we had we had Xavier Gibson had a claimed I just all I can think about it's released again among the uh quez is back in the practice squad yeah so it was um Um, yeah, Cam Latu. It's Cam Latu now. Did you notice this? No, I did not notice. Cam Latu, Marcus,

and Marcus, Perry Nickerson to the active roster. Eli Ricks, Quess Watkins, and one Lance Dixon to the practice squad. Uh, now, as the Cam Latu fan here, uh, stock up or stock down. The Latu for Natsu. I think stock up. You think stock up.

I think I go the other way. Really? Yeah. You don't like a cam? I think Cameron Latu flows. better than Camelot, too. It flows better, but I think Camlato is a, I mean, it's A, probably what he goes by. And it's just like a little bit cooler. Now, are you an Andrew McCuba or a Drew McCuba guy? I, I think I like Andrew better too, but I feel less strong about that than I do about

Cameron. I would agree with that, I think. I like it counts. Yeah. Well, it's a good thing you brought that up, E.J., because there's a great story on all p.g.com. Today, please become a diehard. E.J. did a great job profiling the journey of Drew Makuba from a refugee camp in Zimbabwe to the hard-hitting impact rookie than he has become. Yeah, I mean, he was great for the story. Got some really good stories from some of the people in his life as he moved to Austin, Texas, and it was like really remarkable to hear about his like introduction to football, like, you know, just instantly took to the sport even though he didn't, he thought that they were referring to soccer when they said we're going to play football.

So please go check that out. Did that surprise you? I mean, not really. I was hoping he said messy. Yeah. That's okay. Well, maybe he'll get a pick and he'll do the full. Is that what's called?

It's called, I think it's Sioux. It's hard to say. You know, I need to workshop that. I feel like that's back in the lab on that. I've never had to say that in my life before. All right. Much more to get two here, including the state of the linebackers. and this change the Eagles

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For more information, visit your local Ford store. All right. Back on the PHOY Eagles show, EJ yesterday's injury report, also interesting. What's the scoop? Yeah, so Zach Bonn, this is the one that really, like, intrigues me because I've never seen this before. Have you seen a player go-through individual and then be listed as do not, did not practice? Do you feel like you've seen that before?

I feel like that's a clear color. I mean, it's got it's gotta be. I don't know. That's why I was so surprised. I don't have an individual. He had a big, bulky brace on his left leg, but went through at least part of individual. Well, we were out there. It looked like he was going to practice, but he was listed as did not practice.

Adori Jackson was similar because he went through stretching and also was listed as did not practice. Jahad Campbell, triceps injury. He also did not practice. He talked after practice, though. sound like, um, didn't sound like anything serious. So we'll see.

I think today's going to be a bit. Yeah, we'll get, we'll get in the middle of the show, presumably we'll get some update on those guys. But what's your, um, temperature on,

I mean, who, who are your 11 starters for this game if you had to guess? It's a good question. Um, I'm gonna guess Zach Bond plays. Uh, he said after practice,

we heard from him like in passing. He said he's going to talk today, but he said, I'm good. Um, and it looks like he is at least going through stretching. But again, he did that yesterday.

So injury report will be big for him. I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess Jehad Campbell plays too. I think so too. Just guess. I mean, just like this is like really reading between the tea leaves here, but like if you're the rookie that's not playing

because of an injury, do you talk to the media on this day and talk like you're going to play? Yeah. I'm going to guess it's Keely at Corner. I think so too. And then. These Zadarius is the other. Yeah, I think Zadarius is the starting edge.

I do, we can talk about this later, but I do think that, the Nolan Smith injury, and especially if they're going to get thinner at corner, I think base is their best 11 at this point. I said it on Tuesday, and I feel even more strongly. I'm not saying that they should be in base the whole game. I know that they're, you know, it's just hard to do that. But I do think if you're asking me, like, who their best 11 players are,

I think you could argue it's out of base. Anything, friend. So if they come out in 11 personnel and they put Sterling shut out. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that they should be in base the whole game. I'm just thinking they should hope that the opposition is in 12. Yeah, I think that they should be, every time the bucks come out in 12 or 13,

they're going to be great. Right. You know, that means we're taking, you know, Keeley Ringo off the field, you know, so I think it's like,

it was more, it's more pronounced now with the injuries. Hmm. Okay. The bucks, they've got injuries of their own. Yeah,

which makes it like, it's like a week one game. Yes. Um, but the, uh, they did lose their best blocking tight end, co-keefed,

uh, put on injured reserve. So, uh, their ability to go into 12 and 13, uh, at least from a pure, like run heavy standpoint, that's a little bit weak

and going into this. Weissmann and co-keefed. I just, no, not that. It's got nothing to do with the name. I just feel like, just like I've got a soft spot for a fullback. I feel like France got a soft spot for like a nasty tight end, like a dirty word tight end.

No doubt. It's a next factor in your run game. But see, like those two things are not that dissimilar, but you really get on me about. Well, here's my question. I don't get on you about the full back. Do you have a soft spot for like a blocking tight end or do you just have a,

disgust with Nimi Pimmy. Oh, that's a good question. Isn't fucking. Oh, that's actually I think it's more the former. I think I really like the good blocker as opposed to my dislike

for the bad blocker. I would put that against me, though. One of the fans on the day. Yeah, right. One of my favorite, like, football guy things that I've heard growing up is like, this is a deep cut, but there's this kid named Evan Battaglio

who played for Narsdown, and he went to Temple. And like, yeah, and he was a tight end in high school. And like my favorite football guy is back then was like, if he just put his hand in the dirt and moved down one position, he'd be playing on Sundays. Like I like those types of tight ends, you know, like the Darnell Washington genre of tight ends.

Okay. Another thing I want to ask about EJ is the change in the Eagles travel schedule and this decision by Nick Siriani to, instead of fly down on Saturday, like they always do, for every road game essentially. They're going to fly in on Friday. And all of this is because of the Eagles history in Tampa Bay. We can flash it up.

The House of Horrors for the Eagles. Last year they go down week four, they lose. 2023, they go down and win but then lose in the playoffs. And then 2021, they lose in the playoffs down there. What did Nick Siriani say about that, E.J. And what do you think the reaction is? Yeah, I mean, he referenced the struggles they've had in trying to acclimate to the heat a little bit.

bit more effectively. I found Vic Fangio's comments on it more interesting. Yeah, I did too. I enjoyed reading Vic Fangio's comments. Yeah, so I'll read it really quickly. He says, it is too late to do anything right now for it as far as prepping for it, the heat. You don't practice in the heat one day and say you're acclimated or take a pill and say you've acclimated. The key will be, I mean, it's a mindset, number one, number two, we need to not let them have eight, 10, 12 play drives on us. Yeah, he's the best. is the best. I would tell you my sense is that the locker room kind of feels the same way. Yeah, a lot of guys talking about like, we're not going to make it more than what it is,

but it's like leaving a day early is making it more than what it is. Yeah, why are you like letting them get in your head this way? I mean, I don't want to make too much of it. You know, I'm sure that Nick has looked into the sports science of it and maybe it works out. I hate this. This is like, why are we giving them credit for something? It's so ridiculous. Would you like to what Baker Mayfield had. I have not heard this yet. He said, advantage for us, we're in Tampa. The heat, they're not used to that. I know there are, there's already been the stories that broke about them coming down to Tampa a day early. I don't necessarily think that helps them. One day doesn't get you acclimated to this humidity.

I think honestly, it makes them think about it more when they get down here earlier. Yeah. It's so, it's so weird. And I, I don't think that a locker room likes it. That's not to say that, you know, this is not like, um, the locker rooms at odds with Nick Siriani. I think it's just a relatable thing that we could all, uh, understand, which is my boss is doing this dumb thing that I don't want to do, but I'm going to play along just to get along. But like, these guys don't want to give up their Friday nights for this silly thing.

Doesn't mean anything. Tampa for the fifth time and sit. Yeah. I mean, it is also like a funny observation. Like they've got all these SEC guys. Like they're used to playing in the heat. You know, like I was in. Just rotate a little more.

I was in jail. Carter's hometown in July a few years ago. I know how hot it can be down there and like, you know, they're used to it. It is a flex. I will admit that that was a little bit of flex. So it's going to be a high of 90, high of 91 on Sunday. Humidity, only 69% E.J. Nice.

Only 69%. Almost 70. It's going to be 74% humidity on Saturday. So it's going to feel a little cooler for their second day there. But we'll say. I think they'll be fine. I mean, well, fine, might not be the right, the right expression there. You ready for a little something or nothing?

Yeah, I've got a couple for you here. We need to jingle for this. Something or nothing, what's it going to be? Something or nothing, EJ's got the D. Why are you like, oh, no, I don't know. Oh, no. All right. It's like Tuesday all over again.

It was so avoidable You had so much time To think of something other than what you said You said that You just got the key I had no time I had no time at all You could have just stopped

No I can't stop You know after You know after listening back to Tuesday's show I was like I'm going to keep us on track Like, you know, even if Bell starts to get us off track here, I'm going to make sure that I got something to counter with. And here we are. All right, what do you got? Please, please, please go.

All right, something or nothing. I've got a couple for you. The Eagles split rate. It's hard to talk about the Eagles split rate, but it is 24.3% through three games. It was 15.4% last year. Week one, and I know you guys might say, well, maybe one of the games. skewed the numbers. It was 11.8% in week one against the Cowboys, 28.9, week two, against the Chiefs, and then 31.4 against the Rams. So it's trending upward. So I want to know if you guys think

that is something reflective of the past rush, reflective of maybe a shift in philosophy from Vic, or just, you know, a product of the matchups in the first three weeks. I tend to think more the latter. I tend to think that it was more, hey, we're going to throw curve balls at two really good quarterbacks that maybe wouldn't have wouldn't have been expecting it other otherwise. I think when you're looking at the way that they played Mahomes last year, they went complete opposite approach here in week two. And then similarly with Matthew Stafford and the Rams.

That's where I lean, but I think you could swing me the other way as well. The one thing I find interesting is the other part of the Vic Fangio quote about the heat and how that might factor into it because he talked about the eight, 10, 12 play drive. And the Bucks did that a year ago. You know, they wanted to keep the, they basically wanted to challenge the Eagles to tackle underneath and try and extend drives.

I listened to Todd Bowles Press conference over this week and he talked about usually when it's hot like that, the team that has more time of possession is the one that wins the game because you're wearing a defense down. And Baker Mayfield talked about it too. So. You think that's true?

Do you think that's more true in Tampa or in the Florida than it is elsewhere? I would suspect so, just because you are wearing out of defense by being on the field for those long drives. Again, we saw how much it affected the Eagles last year. And it's crazy to think how different that defense looked after that game. So I just, I wonder if this will be another blitz heavy game.

Like, you know, it kind of, I don't know if this is the best analogy, but like the Jim Schwartz in the Super Bowl, like being like, we're either going to get you the ball back or we're going to get them off the field. Like, are there going to be instances where Vic Fangio has that mentality of like, let's be aggressive if we get gashed on it. So be it. Like, we can't have these extended drives. that's interesting

yeah maybe I don't I don't think I'm ready to go something or nothing yet here okay I mean but that's not the point of the game you gotta give me something or nothing I'm gonna wait a week let's see how they do this week so that's nothing this is this is his approach to peckness migrate that you

took him to task for rightfully so yeah that's fair I can't for now I'm gonna say nothing that'd be like me asking you like to like peckness migrate like I mean not your family members, but like, like, yeah, peck nest migrate, like my family members. Like, you wouldn't do that. I challenge him. I'm happy to go out of mine. Who would you migrate? Well, who would you

migrate? Well, I don't, I've only met. Yeah, you've met two of them. Who else have you met other than my wife? I met your dad very briefly. When did you meet my dad? I think, your mom's service. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. Um, okay. So who are you going to migrate between my wife and my dad. Well, none of them. Yeah, I have to give you a third option. Yeah, you got to give me a third door number three. Yeah, I need, I need a number three. Ah, shoot. One of the dogs. This is not even, this is not even close to a one comparison. Until you meet a third relative of mine, probably my sister. So I think you're probably going to migrate her. She doesn't listen to the show. Wow. I'm just made it easy for him. All right, what do you got

Next. Okay. This is something that has been on my mind, obviously. The Eagles have been in their base defense for 22.3% of their snaps this season, 40 out of 179 plays compared to 14.9% last season. So up from 14.9% to 22.3%. Again, you might say, well, you get EJ. The Rams were in, they were in heavy a lot. They were those outside zones. They were in 21% each of the first two weeks of the season as well, 24% against the Rams. Last week, last season, interesting enough, through three weeks, it was similar. Right. 21.6 through three weeks last season. I was going to say, they lived in 11 from like week seven on, week eight on. Yeah. They, I mean, they, they barely got out of it. So I think it's a small sample. I think it's noisy. So do you think

it's nothing? You think that they're still going to be a nickel team? Uh, yeah. I think they're, I mean, they're definitely going to be a nickel team. But I think that, the propensity for them to go base is probably a little bit they're more likely to do it this year but I still don't think it's like a drastic change okay I'm going the other way I'm going something I think they were so good at a nickel last year

but I just wonder especially as we'll talk about like the run defense the struggles they've had stopping the run I wonder if base is the answer for that for parts of this season for someone who hates anything before 1990 like you're willing to I don't play base defense I don't know I don't hate stuff before 1990 I just I think really

as I've thought more about this movie stuff I just don't watch a lot of movies I don't and I don't think it's like oh like but I also do think like and I because of that if it was like a mature rated movie when I was young the odds of me seeing it though

okay I think you have one more here yep this one's more just fun it's not as statistic heavy uh true breeze saying the Eagles offense is boring I could care less honestly. I mean. Yeah.

Ascension piece of white bread called something. Right. What am I am? Like, it's not like he was like a, you know, gun slinger by, I mean,

he was obviously a great quarterback, but I just think that like the commentary about the Eagles offense, like glorifying like he got to the fifth, the fifth. I honestly. I guess. It's like,

come on. I have one last thing on, on why I think the eagles are overcorrecting. The weather thing. Yeah, the weather thing. Flash up these games again, Julie, if you don't mind, these three losses in Tampa Bay and contrast them with the one win. You know what the difference is?

Do you know what those three losses have in common? That the week three win does not. AJ Brown didn't play in those games. So who cares? I forgot until I was doing the research. Not only did they not have AJ for that game last year. They didn't have Devante either. They were down both guys for that game in week four last year.

So what are we doing? Was it the heat or was it you didn't have your best player? You might ignore him for two and a half games, but that's the reason they lost those games. Thank you. Good point. Do you want a quick injury update? Sure.

Lane Johnson is going through individual periods today. He was out there yesterday as well, but going through Indy today. Adori Jackson and Jihad Campbell are going through like some, and this is all, I mean, I'll credit Tim McManus and Elliott Short Parks for most of these updates, practice that's happening right now. So Adori Jackson is going through some of the drills, but again, he was kind of out there yesterday, too. So I think seeing what their designation on the injury report is today will be important. What's your gut on lane?

I think he plays. Yeah. I think he's on track to play. Okay. Okay. Time for a break. On the other side, we will get into the matchup starting with the Eagles offense against Todd Bowles from last year. Bet 365 has 90 million users worldwide.

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fifth in blitz percentage, 12th in man coverage percentage. What do you see when you look at this team on tape, Fran? And I imagine that one of the things that stands out is that they are very good against the run. So this may not be the week where the egos are going to get unstuck on that facet. Yeah, good against the run. They've not allowed a 50-yard rusher this season. So when you look at, and they've gone against a couple of, good back so far.

John, right? So, yeah, they've gone up against some good ones. But when you look at this group, it's very athletic. It's a pretty versatile group. You mentioned it's a lot of man coverage on the back end, but they blitz you from a lot of different angles. And the sack that the Eagles gave up to Jalen McCullough last week, Sequin Barclay, eyes in the wrong place.

McCullough comes in and hits Jalen on third and long, they are very good at that kind of blitz. And it's a lot of different bodies. I'm actually going to break it down for the pregame show on Sunday. So make sure to the pregame show. They do a great job of sending those guys from depth. And sometimes it's Antoine Winfield Jr. Sometimes it's the rookie corner, rookie nickel corner, Jacob Parrish.

Sometimes it's Levante David, Servassier Dennis. So they mix and match who is coming off the edge. But they do a really good job of hiding their attention. We're going to show Blitz here. And then we're going to come from the opposite direction. It's a fast group. It's a violent group. It's a good defense.

It's a tough game to figure out in terms of the blocking assignments when you've got to figure out past the Savasier. It's pretty good. Yeah. It was better than your last landing there in the last block. Hassan Reddick is there. And he's not the player that he was a couple years ago here in Philly. That said, he can still get off the ball.

The first step is still there. I, I, Diabi, he had 11 pressures last week against the Jets. And most of it coming off left tackle, you know, well, yeah. No, it was even on Phil. Thank you to Mr. Diabi. Mr. Diabi. His pro football focus work last week. Very disruptive player last week against the Jets.

But you see Redick, so that Viva is still there. They don't have Clyde Cancey. So talented defensive tackle. He's on injured reserve. But this is, it's a good group. Now, the back end, it's a couple of athletic press corners. They've been mixing out. I think Jamel Dean, they want to try and like slowly mix him out. They've got the rookie Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame, who's a second round pick. They're trying to

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So it's, oh, go ahead. It's a, like I said, it's a fun defense to study. Do you think in the building they are more worried about, you know, protecting the Blitz and the past game, or are they more worried about how can we get the run game unstuck against Vita Vaya? I'm sure. Honestly, it's a, all right, like, Stout, Jamal,

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no it's a it's gonna be a big test certainly for for jalen hurts now hurts has been in my opinion pretty poised against the blitz this year i've been i've liked what i've seen from jalen against the blitz um you know i think that we can still quibble about like you know like the hot routes and stuff like that in the offense i think at the end of the day like what you want from your quarterback like don't you want to be able to get more explosives i think that's one thing where you know i'm most interested to see you know they were extremely conservative in those blitzing situations two weeks ago against Steve Spagnolo and the Chiefs and everything was, all right, we're going to get the ball out fast, we're going to get it out underneath and we're

going to let our guys try and go make a play. I wonder if you get more along the lines of what you saw late in that game, the Devante Smith play where, you know, there's a free runner right at Jalen Hertz and he's able to deliver and Devante's able to hit it over the top. When they've been at their best against the Blitz, that's kind of been their style. You know, I go back to 2022 when Jalen was really good against the Blitz and that was kind of the profile there. I'm fascinated to see what their approach is. full well. Like, growing into this, like, Todd Bulls is going to blitz. It's going to be second and long, third and long. You can expect that all that cast of characters, one of those guys is going to be

blitzing off the edge or, you know, coming up the middle. So that's, that to me is the storyline that I'm most excited to watch in this game. Yeah, you know, I was looking at some of their numbers against the blitz earlier and, like, they are 30th in success rate against the blitz, but it doesn't feel like catastrophic like it did a few years ago. So I don't know. It seems like, I think the, like you mentioned, they maybe aren't as aggressive against it, but they kind of are able to just kind of like take what they can and kind of live to fight another day. So I don't know, it's interesting. Like again, I was, I, when I went to look for the numbers, I was thinking, like, I'll probably be middle of the road against it. But it did surprise me that their success rate

was so low against it. Yeah, it's like a, I don't say it's like good process, bad result type of thing because honestly, like the process, that's what we just talked to. I wish they were a little bit more aggressive at times. But like I said, like, Jaylin has been pretty poised against the blitz. Like, it's not like he, like, looked flustered and his feet start to chatter and he squares up to line of scrimmage. We haven't seen that. He's been, he's been really sound and, you know, eyes upfield, you know, looking at

the receivers play out. Just I want to see a little bit more aggression from them in those snares. The other aspect, two of the, of the matchup that's interesting, the Eagles, eight touchdowns on eight red zone trips, best in the NFL. That's a, that's a tough thing to keep rolling. Yeah. The Bucks have only allowed three touchdowns in seven red zone trips on. defense. So they've been really good in the red zone. And that's been one of the, honestly, like,

one of the reasons why they are, they are three and oh. It's been winning in these one score games is kind of winning on the margins there. So that will be a kind of like game within the game here is who can win in the red zone on the side of the ball. Just to your point about like it feels like he's been better against the blitz. The one thing that I look at is the negative play. Yeah, right. And that has been against the blitz much lower this year than it was last So that's, I mean, that's sacks and turnovers. Yes. He only had one interception against the blitz last year, but he was sacked, I think, 15 times.

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Honestly, like more of the same of what I've seen from him the last couple years. The results have been really good. He's playing productive football, winning football. And when you look at what he's done over the, just this. season. Like first quarterback in NFL history have three straight game winning drives to start the season. They're down 20 to 17 with two minutes left in week one. They go and win. They're down 1914 with two minutes left in week two. They go and they win. They're down 27 to 26 with a minute 50 left after a catastrophic field goal block return for a touchdown. He leads him down and they kick

a field goal to win. Like you can't argue with it. Now that said, he is still like when he is clean in the pocket if you don't pressure him that's when he's at his best like he he's able to go through rhythm and play with instructor and it looks really really good uh i think everybody like loves like oh there goes baker like they you know he's gonna he's gonna roll out of the pocket to me like if you are vig fangio that's what you want like that's where you can get him into those mistakes uh i know that right now like he's like running hot that way that's not like a sustainable like to me like i'd rather him play that way as opposed to last year to me like if you go to the last year's game where they just carved the Eagles up. That's where he wasn't touched. The ball's coming out fast. The tackling was

terrible. And they just marched up and down the field. That's the version of Baker Mayfield. You do not want to see if you're the Eagles in this game. So to me, like this is about trying to pressure, trying to mix up your looks, make him uncomfortable best way you can and try and get him to play hero ball that way. It seemed like he took a lot of shots in the money and the game a couple weeks ago. Yeah. So it does feel like they're going to need. Because I'm with you, Fran. Like when I watched him, I was like, I don't really know if I remember Baker being like a pocket. distributor the way that he looked in that game. Like, I always do think about him as like this extending plays and kind of playing with like a

certain flair, but instead it was a lot more like in process and sequence. I feel like maybe it's like the Liam Cohen effect from the year before that that offense seems like it has a lot of answers for him and he's really good at finding those answers. Well, as you saw from the graphic there from Julia, you know, fourth in quickest time to throw three games, which which is a bit surprising given the play style. We know from him. Yeah. But also sixth in depth.

of target, you know, air yards per attempt, 8.8, which, you know, to have, getting rid of the ball quickly, but also throwing it downfield is a nice marriage. And he's one of only two quarterbacks in the NFL guys, who is top 10 in both of those things and also EPA per dropback. So doing that and also being effective at it, can you name the other one? Herbert? No. If you, Stafford. No. Are these good guesses? It hurts. No. Stafford's not. Yeah. Now, the answer is Daniel Jones. Oh, man.

Indiana Jones. I was so wrong about him. Oh, my God. Well, we're not. Let's not. Let's not. I'm ready to take the L on that one. Don't give up.

I mean, he's, whenever the, whenever the, like, the pot starts to boil just a little bit. Can I just be honest, though? Like, somebody in the chat, I'll take two else here. No, no. Okay. All right. Somebody in the chat pointed out, like, Daniel Jones should be like my exact type of quarterback and I got to hold that L.

Like he is like my type of quarterback like Traitzy doesn't really process well like doesn't really do a lot of the quarter I mean he's athletic he is athletic He's athletic yeah and I think I had a blind spot That's all I'll say Come on this I mean you got a lot of stuff to beat yourself up over I drag myself this is not one

To the average time to throw The big thing over the for the box the story of this first The first three games have been that this offensive line has been decimated by injury. So Tristan Worf's, looks like he's making his return this week. There was some scuttle butt about whether it's going to be

at left tackle or right tackle. It looks like based off the depth chart that the team released, that it will be at left tackle. So they put Graham Barton back to center? Right. So Graham Barton, who was their rookie center last year,

he was at left tackle. They're going to try and, they're going to kick him back to center. Ben Bredesen, who had been playing center for Barton, he'll go back to left guard. Elijah Klein, who was playing left guard. He's going over to right guard.

They had to play their second string right tackle last week. Actually, they're technically the third string right tackle and Charlie Heck. Because they're second. Yeah. Look, this guy's been around for a while.

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Weird body, I remember back then. Tall. You were correct on that, yes. Kind of wide, but like a very kind of like a giraffe neck head. no, Mike Lennon. I was just about to say, Mike. Yeah, he kind of was like the Mike Lennon of tackles.

I'm sure that's on his pro football reference page, the Mike Lennon of tackles. But so missing Luke Gettyke, missing Cody Mock, who is, Cody Mock has turned into a really good player at right guard for them. You're missing Luke Gettyke who's going to come back. Malk's not coming back. You're getting worse back now. This offensive line has been in shambles. You think about the things that you do if you are down offensive linemen,

it's going to be a lot of quick game, a lot of screens, play action, move the pocket. They've done all of that. I do think that Baker's average time to throw will rise a little bit because of his ability to scramble and then some of the mixed in like play action rollout stuff that can raise your average time to throw a little bit. But other than that, it was like very conservative watching this past game where I'm just kind of buzzing through throws and I'm like, all right, what are they doing? Quick throw, slant, wide receiver screen, swing screen to the back.

Like they're going to try and get all of those guys incorporated. the big thing now, though, is that Mike Evans is out. So Mike Evans is out with a hamstring injury. He left last week's game midway through. Now they're getting Chris Godwin back this week. Right. I don't know. I mean, Godwin got hurt in week seven last year.

It was from what I understand, like just a devastating injury, like dislocated ankle, like lots of there's and apparently like other stuff in there as well. They were hoping that he was going to be back for camp. But then obviously it was not. He's coming back now. He was leading their team in catches and yards. when he got hurt last year.

Yeah. What version of that are you getting? Like, I don't know. Emeka, Buka, he was limited last week on a pitch count with a groin injury. Like, and that's something that can linger. So, I think both teams would just sign up for a tie and a pie.

We'll just not play this game. Let's get healthy. We'll take a tie. Well, and that's, I think one of the big X factors in the game will be, what version of Chris Godwin are they getting? And if Chris Godwin is like,

okay, like he comes back the same Chris Godwin's you saw from last year, I think they're going to feel pretty good going into this one. If it's like, oh, he's kind of a shell of himself and maybe he could have benefited from a few more weeks, I think they're going to be in a little bit of trouble from a past game standpoint. And so do you think that the way that they've used Egbuka, it'll be Quinnian Mitchell on him? And then if presuming that Godwin is going to live inside a good amount that they'll be comfortable with Cooper Dijian and or Cooney Ringo on him. Yeah.

And that's the good because that's the thing is that Godwin has been like a primary like power slot receiver for them. Egbuka is a guy that can line up inside and outside, but then Sterling Shepherd is their number three receiver. So do you just, you think this is a week where you just line up on sides and play or boundary? No, I think they'll travel Quinyan to Egbuka's side would be my guess.

He will go now, he won't travel inside, but he'll travel to that side. And then if Godwin's inside, then Cooper de Gene's on him. If Egbuka's inside, then Cooper deGines on him. I think that would be the approach for them in this game. And then do you think on the defensive line in search of maybe manufacturing, some pass rush against a unit that has not played together as five,

we see maybe some more games up front. I honestly hope that that. I always say I hope yes for that. I just think I think that's an area where this, that defense as a whole could just kind of add a little bit more teeth, especially if you were worried about the rush, like getting a little bit more variety with what they're doing pre and post snap. I think could be really good for that front.

But honestly, when I'm looking at this group as a whole, like offensive line wise, like Charlie Heck, get a bowl. Elijah Klein first Jalen Carter Love it Ben Bredesen versus Jordan Davis Or Morrow Ojamo love it To me like those are winnable matchups And that's one of the big things for the Eagles in this game

Is can you win those one-on-one matchups Up front in the trenches The one thing too Baker's going to always going to have highs When he's under pressure he's gonna have he's gonna he's gonna I just said I'd rather see him in that way than than not But the run game is really negatively affected by this offensive line Because when I look at their two backs

And Bucky Irving and Rashad White those are guys that benefit from playing in space. Bucky Irving's best stuff is when we're just going to kind of throw him a swing pass or get him out in the open field. When things are congested, that group does not look good. So to me, like if the Eagles are able to really lock things down inside from a run defense standpoint,

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And as far as I'm concerned, that means we're ready to move on. Two? I think I'm like eight seconds away from being able to do it. Two, a beautiful little place we like to call. Dig deep. More time. Give yourself a hernia doing that. All right.

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tell you about a place that does advertise with us that's how much it meant to me went to the Phillies game last night with Rachel and Casey but I had been

I had been monitoring those we knew we were going to go to this game but monitoring tickets all week on game time and you know I see the price has changed and we want to get three tickets together and I'm waiting and I'm waiting him, well, you know, I feel like I could do a little bit better.

And at about like 4 o'clock yesterday, bang, I got him. Three tickets, like along the right field line, right where the screen ends. Yeah. Okay, so you're like in the action. Yep. And I wasn't sure, like if it was going to be like the front row, the first row or the third row, whatever. We get there, like front row, like right next to the ball girl. Amazing.

He gets a ball. Oh, that's great. You know, we see eight home runs. It was awesome. Guess how much those tickets cost me? I don't know. $43 each. Wow.

Front row. It's impressive. Unbelievable. So shout out to Game Time. You too can make that happen with game time. My one beef with the Phillies last night. Okay. You know, we love Find the Ball and the cap.

The screen games, you have that. I feel like the septal one could be better. It probably would have been better if neither of the trains actually made it. They both stopped because they weren't funded. That would have been funny. But my real issue was they did this thing like AI Madlibs. You name the player, you name a place. I mean, we almost left her identity.

Boom. We were on an AI baseball game and we'll just, we just, we'll get rid of the humans. Give me a break. Pathetic. How much money did they waste on that? Just so we could see a picture of Brandon Marsh hiking. In Arizona. Unbelievable.

Did you just wonder what I thought you? I thought so. It is overtime, but just making sure. Outrageous. My other thing, something, you know, it's always nice when we add something to a repertoire. I think I've become a tri-lottee guy.

Hmm. Yeah, a little spicy latte, yeah. I've had two now. The past couple weeks, delicious. Hmm. I may not. A little, a little too spicy. for me. Really? Yeah. I mean, just the first sip is always like, oh, nice. But then you're drinking

that and it just keeps kicking you, you know? Can't handle the spice? What do you got? Raisins in your chicken salad too? No. I'm the, you know I don't have raisins in my chicken salad. Can't handle the spice on a latte. Come on. All right. Real quick on the AI thing. I forget if I said this on I forget if I said this the last time I was on the show. The insinuation that I would use chat GBT for my, for my opening statement in the trial last week, shame on you for anyone that brought that up in the chat. You were on my shit list if you did so.

All right. Spicy. All right, E.J. Oh, it is. That was too spicy for you. I'm sorry. It is time to look back on last week's Swipper. And we do that. This is not signed in here.

I will get it in a second. Last week, Super. A big one, obviously. And we look at the review here. Fran, let's start with E.J. E.J., you had... I got to check. Too many charts on Danes' thing here.

I got to get it. Oh, I forgot. All right, here we go. E.J., is it out there? Should I go get it? Why don't you go get it? Well, I read off how you did. Staple.

E.J. Jalen Hertz accounts for three touchdowns, and at least one of them is a passing touchdown. He hit that. He only had two items. He nailed that. Matthew Stafford scrambles at least once. Man,

he was like a football away from getting that one. And I actually thought that they should have ruled that. I know. We all texted at the same time. I thought that that was, that was beyond a line scrimmage. Yeah. It was not ruled that way.

Yep. So he had only one. You could argue we maybe should have had two. Hey, but honestly, that's a makeup for the Jihad Campbell, force fumble in week one. So the football swooper gods,

everything, evens out that way. Fran, the Rams score more points in the second half than there are combined sacks in the game. You paid nine turkeys for that. You got it. A player on either team finishes with zero catches on one target. You got that as well. I was nervous

there. Sequin, yeah. Two to Atwell. Yeah, two at well. Sequin, Barclay rushes for 100 yards, did not get it. So you had two. I spent a lot of turkeys last week. Iron Williams has at least one one fumble that is recovered by the Eagles. Did not happen. At least one, but not all of the following things happened. Mirror play.

A player has a gain equal to his jersey number. That was the key one there. Kick hits an upright. Someone other than Hertz or Stafford does a pass. I got that. Jalen Hertz ran for one yard a couple times. So that one was a hit for me. The Dane is one of all the things that happened

the last time the two teams played. That did not hit. Darius Cooper records his first catch. Did not hit. Sequin Barkley has more rushes of 12 yards than Jared Verst has Saxon TFLs. Did not hit. Darius Cooper has more snaps than does Cameron Lattu and catches and carries would count,

for four. And this was six snaps for Darius Cooper. Five snaps for Cameron Latu hit by one. Even though he left early. Even though he left early. This is when nobody thought it hit after he left early. I glazed over. I was like, oh, that didn't hit.

And it did. And then of course, the final one, the Eagles win the game, but do so by a smaller margin than the number of turkeys for which the item is sold. What impeccable timing to get it at eight. Jordan Davis runs it in the Eagles win by seven and they don't have to kick the extra point

hit it three for me and I am on the board but what is the board just out of curiosity well you have two I have one

Fran has zero interesting but in the math last week I incorrectly gave myself I took away turkeys so Daniz has me with one turkey left. Last week I said I had

negative three. I made two mistakes last week. And I have always said if you make the mistake in like making, giving myself fewer turkeys, I deserve the punishment. So I am not taking those turkeys. And, but. I need help.

I also need help. With the math. So I too, M.T. Mavicus. Did you steal this from one of your children? I bought it at Target today. Nice. Hope to expense it. So I enter this as I have negative three turkeys, so I have 21 turkeys.

What's interesting is that I remember I asked you afterwards, and I asked you in the moment. I was like, how many turkeys? And you said it? I was like, okay. Good for you. Yeah, I don't deserve the charity there. That's my own mistake. So I will have 21 turkeys this week.

Fran will have 24. E.J. will have 33. But before we start, Swooper, there is one of the thing that we have to talk about because clearly, you know, I have made my mistake. Julia, please flash up Exhibit A. Oh, no. I'm nervous. What do you do? You should be.

This is a timestamp from 327 p.m. The game wasn't over. On Twitter. The game wasn't over. Thank you to Kill a Cow for sending us this. This is this the Jordan Davis game. from Wikipotia. And then let's go to the next one,

which is E.J. Smith, the Jordan Davis game at 406 p.m. Mr. Brie, you know, puffing out his chest. 39 minutes. I'm the, I'm the one who coined this. Doesn't know how to use search. Okay. And then Exhibit B, please,

which we have already referenced in this show, a comment from the show on Tuesday. Several years younger than E.J. and regret to inform you that chat refers to viewers of the show, and the chat still refers to the place where you physically write the messages. E.J. Smitty 17 replying underneath, oh, no. So, E.J., this is also for you. Oh, no.

I'm, oh, no. There's more in there. The bathroom? Because I'm washed. Body wash. Because I am. Who's washed now? All right.

I am going to take the L on the chat thing because this was like, I was trying to expose you for being washed, and I just exposed myself for also being washed. We're both washed. I agree. Now I got a bathrow out of this. No, that's coming back.

You can't. You can't spend the other ones. That's coming back. All right. Let's get to the action. The order this week is me, Fran, E.J. Danes. Once again, I have 21. Fran has 24.

E.J. has 33. I kick things off. Item number one. We lean into the special teams here again. There is a blocked punt, a blocked kick, a blocks extra point, a special team's turnover or a special team's touchdown in this game. So a game-changing play coming on special teams. I am going to start the bidding at two.

Three. Four. four going once four going twice sold to the man with the bigger abacus you have more curvature yeah

well it's just silly there's there are these nice things on the side you know there's like a seahore all of these things but it's an 11th item so like why do it messes up the abacus anyway all right my first one

all right as I compose my here where am I okay the big storyline Jalen Hertz versus Todd Bowles Jalen Hertz completes at least 55.7% of his passes with a pass rating of at least 69.4 versus the Blitz now additional passerating those are yes traditional pass rating now you might say like why why these random numbers well verse Todd Bowles in the Blitz over the course of his career Jalen Hertz has a completion percentage of just 55.6 with a pass rating of just

69.3. So it's basically, is he going to be better than what he has been against the Todd Bulls Blitz guy? Yes, on average. On Sunday. So we will start the bidding at four. I'll say five. Give me six. Six going once. Six going twice. Sold to Fran. Sold. Take it. Over to you, E.J. All righty. So my first one is Cooper to Gene lines up at outside corner for more than 25 snaps. God, you love base Diffam. You were just... Well, this could be a... This isn't just a base Diffon. It could be Perry Nickerson inside.

This could be, yeah, there's a break glass in case of emergency. Move Cooper to Gene to the outside corner spot. Some context. He lined up... Oh, no, no, never mind. Oh, boy. I messed it up. I'm going to start the bidding. at three.

I think his career highest context he lined up. That's all the context you need. The trail off was very... I just panicked. I couldn't find it. Maybe if that seat or something. Some context.

He's white. No, not saying it. Never mind. His career high is 13 snaps at outside. Okay. We need five snaps. So you started the bidding at three. Okay.

Three going once. You have that one. Three going twice. Sold to E.J. I have no inside information about this for the record. That you've revealed to us anyway. Okay. Danes.

To move to DeNiz. Item number four. I'm number one for the professor. Some context. Danes is a professor at Penn. He's going to be on the show tomorrow. Hmm. Okay.

Always good. This is a normal auction. The Eagles remain 100% for the year in red zone touchdown rate. You already touched on this Fran, 8 for 8 for the Eagles so far this season. Yeah. Well, they remain undefeated in the red zone. And worth noting, I do believe, I believe, Sean Seyad of Sumer Sports brought this up recently on a podcast.

but the the buck's a little bit more successful than most teams in stopping the tush-push. Right. Worth noting here. I'll say two. I'll go three. Four. That's tough, man. Yeah.

I'm letting you have it. Four going once. Four going twice. Sold. To the curved abacus man. All right. Oh, get your minds out of the gutter. What do you mean?

Get your minds out of the gutter. Everything you said. on the show how dare you you live in the middle of swooper EJ how dare you

no respect unbelievable out of the cheat all right we've talked a little bit about and I think we're going to get into it more what Jane is tomorrow

about how the Eagles have been consistently late getting to the line of scrimmage the past few years so the item here is that at some point in this game

the Eagles call time time out to avoid delay of game. And the asterix there is that this will not count if it is a clearly lining up to try to drive down. Now the trick. So this is going to be a function of them not being ready to snap the ball. How are we going to,

how are we going to tell that this was by design? Um, I think if it's, I mean, I think it's pretty clear when they're doing the, usually you could see the smile on, on Nick's face when, uh, when they're coming. of the line. Like the look of approval. Yeah. And they also like it's the only time that they're ever quick to the gets of the line.

It's like when they're not going to snap the ball. The only one here that could potentially be a gray area is if it's like they don't like the defensive look or whatever it is. But I will know this one when we see it. I think. Yeah, I think that's fair. I'll start the bidding at one. Two.

Two going once. Two going twice. Ah, three. I feel like that was a little bit of home cooking there. probably it's good for the game though it's good for the suspense it's good country going once three going twice okay sold to me can we get a turkey uh check here i have oh you know i haven't been doing mine oh jesus the abacus is for you to be doing yours what's is your first time using an advocate yeah i'm done 14 yes

fran you're at 18 yeah e.j you're at 26 that's what i got okay okay okay My turn. You mentioned the tush push. My next item. The Eagles get a first down or a touchdown, lined up from a tush push formation, but they achieve that first down or touchdown in any way other than actually running a traditional quarterback sneak.

So we're talking fake sneak, a trick play, a defensive penalty, some other means that I haven't thought of. Oh, so you're including a penalty here. Yes. I really like this, friend. I just like, I like the way that you framed this.

Thank you. As someone who is coming up with swoopers now and is like, how can I get these? Yeah, the penalty one is the sneaky one here. It's not that they're gonna necessarily run a play. As sneaky as you saying player gains as many yards as their Jersey number? I think that was very sneaky.

It wasn't purposely sneaky, but it definitely got by, like, it was just, it was well, it was a good one. It was a good game. Let me ask you real quickly before we bid. Do we think that this, the 400 pound rookie defensive tackle, Desmond Watson that they added to the practice squad that was on their team all off season.

It's going to play. Do you think he's going to be one of the practice spot calls? I don't because they asked Todd Bowles about this. Did you see this? No. It was so funny because imagine if you ask Nick Seriani something like that. Yeah. Imagine if he was up.

Yeah. He's going to get called up. You know, we got time to get that. Too early. Yeah, yeah. So like, ask me if Desmond Watson is.

Hey, Todd is the new guy, Desmond, the big old fella. Is he going to be called up for this game for the tush push? No. He just said so flatly, no. Like,

It was like the most, and it's just like, okay, good there. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, he might come up again later. Did you start? We'll start the bidding at three. Four. Five.

Six. Seven. Eight. You can have it. Eight going once. Eight going twice. Sold. I enjoyed that one.

It's a good one. It's a really good one. It's me, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. Sequin Barclay has a. run of 25 yards or greater.

Now, you guys might remember the 13-yard touchdown run that Seekwon had against the Chiefs, might as well benefit the yard. Might as well be a 50-yard. Yeah, would that count? If we think that it would have gone for 25 yards? Moral victory. Explosive runs, that would not count. Okay.

25 yards are greater. Run of 25 plus. Hasn't had one this year. Where are you starting the bidding? I'll start it two. Three. Four. Five.

five going once five going twice sold got to be a run though got to be a run yeah all right what do we got from danes julia okay

this is a normal auction then winner chooses X oh winner chooses X so yeah the rules are the normal auction the winner chooses X where X can be any player

from either team okay okay and the item eight is it's creeping on yep X has 100 yards from scrimmage. So receiving plus rushing yards, and you get to choose who X is.

All right. I'll say two. Three. Four. Five? That was a Zoolander. Pam Latu. Three, out of you.

Six. Six going once. Six going twice. Sold to Fran. Who's it going to be? AJ. AJ. A.J.

Brown. Is that who you would have chosen to, E.J.? Lot too. Obviously. Ben Vincent, no, no, probably. Yes, I would have chosen AJ. Okay. Sequan Synergy would have been interesting, but a little riskier. All right, my final item here is a two-parter. Either there is a headline somewhere in the Eagle's Fear, Sunday night or Monday morning. Oh, that says Ringo stars.

I don't like this Or given the heat An ego's player is shown puking on the broadcast Now I have an immediate question Can you just put Ringo stars In something

You can you don't write I know you could put it in your Your takeaway thing Shots fired What that he doesn't write Yeah I mean That's fine

It's just the truth You write sometimes But Yeah I mean it could be the thumbnail For the postgame show Then but I I seem fair and well there's

I've done this I know but you guys put me on trial there's honor here as let's say I thought that this game had I didn't lose the game and I still put Ringo stars up as the as the post game show of them so you have to coin it is what you're saying

no it could be this could be the back page to the Inquirer you know this could be Inquiry back page okay well the daily news the daily news yeah this could be uh I mean there's not that many

There's not that many places it could be, but somewhere Ringo Stars is out there. I kind of want to disqualify you putting it in yourself. Unfortunately, that's not allowed. I'm going to start the bidding at one. Two. Oh, I know, but if I get it, you're not going to do it. But I could do it.

The intellectual dishonesty between these two heathens on either side of me is just, I could never. Chat. The chat. The chat. I mean, I think that's the right use of chat, right? You weren't talking to the chat.

You were talking to the viewers. Two going once. Oh, wow. Two going twice. Sold to E.J. So now I just, just a matter. That was bad work by you guys because you're really just trusting my integrity at this, at this point. I wish I have no trust in.

Yeah, exactly. But so let me ask you this really quick. quickly as clarity. Uh, is it just Ringo stars is the headline or is it like Ringo stars and Eagles win? Eagle, like is it, is it just that phrasing?

Ringo stars. That's the head. That's it. Got it. I mean, that's it. I mean, and tune into next Monday's early bird.

Okay. You can't put early bird in there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's got to be the headline. Yeah. It's terrible SEO.

Oh, wow, you know. you're doing it your apparel plus it would mean you like acknowledging the existence of the Beatles

oh yeah well I don't I don't have some vendetta against the Beatles I thought what I said was pretty nuanced and measured I didn't think it was like

debatable I will say that I do like the fact that you only spent two turkeys at least to keep him from cheating that is true

keep you away because you would have found away I take offense to that on what only if it's thematically appropriate. We'll find out.

Okay. I mean, the concede is that Keeler Ringo is going to have a very good game. Right. And that one of us. All right. Everybody's friend.

All right. My last one. Sequin Barkley runs for more yards than there are total points scored by both teams in the game. Good one. The bucks have not allowed a 50 yard rusher yet this year. The over under on this game right now is 43.5.

Sequin ran for just 46 last week against the Rams, I'm still only had 10 carries in the game last year against Tampa in that loss. The total is the last five matchups. We can go through that as well. I like this one. So we're right around the same ballpark. We are going to start the bidding. Five.

Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. I'm out. Nine going once. Ten. Eleven.

Eleven going once. 11 going twice sold good week for Swipper for you friend I mean we'll see no I just mean like the entries are oh thank you really good

I like a well-constructed swooper that was a well-constructed swooper all right over to you EJ all right your last one my final one Desmond Watson it's mentioned on the broadcast for emulating Jordan Davis

on the Buck Scout team so that has to be the only reason they mention him the conceit yeah now you're making me wonder if I should have made it more open-ended. I can't second guess it now. It's already in Chopra lore. So how early did you send your submissions to Julia for graphics?

Good question. Was it like 130? No. 140. 954- Wow. I said please tell me if I get these in before Bell. Good for you. I think I had you beat. You did. Uh, is are you opening the bidding out one? Yeah. One going once. Yeah. I like having a broadcast mention though. It's fun. Yeah. Because I mean,

the way you find out about it is like people letting you know on social media. All right. As we approach Danes. Turkey check. E.J. has 10. Fran has one. I have 14. I got to say,

this is probably a record for the amount of items one person has while still having double digit turkeys going into the last item. EJ, you've got one, two, three. You've got six items. I've been trying to get value plays. I saved a lot of turkeys too. Yeah. All right.

What do we got? When we goes, the Eagles win the game. Okay. The rule. Oh, boy. Did you see it? No. EJ. cheated.

You saw this one. No, this is the one I saw, so I'm out. I'm abstaining because I saw this on Ethan's computer when I was walking. Oh, no. I'll just abstain. Okay. This is a top Now he's pretending to be all pious.

My integrity has always been uneducated. Now we know why you went heavy on these other ones. If you had told us before that you were going to attend. Wow. Okay. Top two pay auction. Top two pay. Oh, so, oh, this is ridiculous. This is particularly.

Perceived like a normal auction with the highest bidder winning the item and paying their own bid as usual. But the second highest bidder also must pay their final bid and does not win anything. You may borrow turkeys. from next week. Unbelievable. What do you want me to do? I just walked by the guy's computer. You can still play.

Okay. I am going to need the rules explained one more time. All right. One more time, Julia. Okay. Proceed like a normal auction with the highest bidder winning the item

and paying their own bid as usual. But the second highest bidder also must pay their final bid and does not win anything. You may borrow turkeys from next week. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Yep. The item is The Eagles win the game The Eagles win All right One Two Three

Four Four going once Four going twice Five going twice Five going once Five going twice Yeah you got it I lose four turkeys

Wow We all really don't think the Eagles are going to win this game Or we're scared of the Yeah I'm a little nervous about that The amount of strain I had Like thinking Like, if I do it, can I get Fran to go up again? Like, is he going to go up?

Is that going to mess me up? That was tough. All right. That's the heart pump in there. E.J., you have the special teams thing where there's a block or a turnover or a touchdown on special teams. You have Cooper DeGine plays at least 25 snaps on the outside. It's 25.

Very heavy. Little in fact, he lined up. For context, he lined up. You have a tush push is successful for the. the Eagles without a tush push happening. You have Sequin Barclay has a run of 25 yards. Ringo Stars or a puke.

And what's this last one? No, the Desmond Washington mentioned. Watson. Desmond Watson. If they call it if they call it Desmond Washington, I will say that does not count. I agree.

Watson. But is only mentioned as being Jordan Davis on the scout team. And you have 10 turkeys left over for next week. I feel okay about it. It's a lot of low probability. A lot of low probability there. Fran, uh, Jalen is better against the blitz in this game than he has been historically on. he has to hit both things, the completion percentage and the quarterback rating. Yes. A.J. Brown has at least 100 yards from scrimmage. Seekwon Barkley has more rushing yards than points scored in the

game. That was the highest price item this week. Seems like the likeliest one to hit. Good job by you. And the Eagles win. And you have negative four turkeys for next week. Yep. I have the Eagles remain 100% in the red zone and scoring touchdowns. And the Eagles call a timeout because they're late to the, to get the ball snapped. And I only have 10 turkeys last. Lost four on the last. He's fine.

I have 10 jerkies left next week. There you go. See if Franklin can now or never. Yep. All right. Anybody else? Anything else else to say? Watsman.

Watsman? Watsman. All right. why do they have why do they go 11 why wouldn't this be very weird why wouldn't this be the 10th you know what I mean yeah yeah I know what you mean you get the chat to hook you up like me yeah wash DJ over here yeah I got to take the L on that one I mean that was tough you know what you got the L and he got the D for EJ and Fran uh I'm but we'll talk to tomorrow two o'clock with the professor in studio thanks to Julie for making it all happen

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