PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Baseball Never Stops in AZ

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

On this episode, Patrick Lyons from the DNVR Rockies Podcast joins Jesse and Derek to talk about Arizona Fall League, the uphill battle for both franchises in the NL West, and Snake Drafting the best team of players who were on both the D-backs and the Rockies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to the PHNX DBAX podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Pontia. Of course, I am known as your mayor of PHNX, and this show is brought to you by the Draft King Sportsbook app. Go download the Draft King Sportsbook app now. Use R code of PHNX and simply for betting $1 on any NFL team to score a single point. You will get $100 in free bets when either team scores. And again, we've talked about when the last zero-zero tie was.

So go download the Draft King Sportsbook app now. Today, guys, of course, I am joined by my vice mayor, my friend, my co-host, the one and only, Thunderstick, Jesse Friedman. Good to be with you, Derek. We're excited to have Patrick joining us with his incredible Maine that he's here to show off today. Yeah, that's all I'm really here to talk about is how good his hair actually is. I took a picture with him earlier today. How was that, Derek?

It wasn't great. feel so like I got a haircut I was feeling pretty good about myself as you can see I got lined up I got the hard part I made him sit two rows behind me to take the picture because I couldn't just directly be in the same like comparison next to him head to head no he had to be a couple of rows back where it was a little bit hard to see him I made him put on a hat but it's understandable coming to us from our friends over at DNBR it's our business cousins and when I say that I think of like the thunder cats when, you know, they had the other Thundercats come in. I guess we're kind of the other Thundercats in this, but joining us, joining us is the one and only. Patrick Lines from DNVR, Patrick, Buddy. Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?

Oh, my God, look at this man. Look at this man. You know, you know, I talk about crossovers. I got to say, I've, I'm really lion-o. I got the lion-o hair going. I know. I got the names. Yeah.

You want to talk Thundercats. Yeah, it's great. It's great. Well, how are you, buddy? You are here in Arizona with us. We're not all in the same room, but you and I have been spending a lot of time together out at Arizona Fault League. Oh, it's been so much fun. It's been such a blast, you know, getting to see some of these young guys up close and personal and have these exclusive one-on-one interviews with them and finally get to see them

and learn a little bit about what else was going on in the NL West, seeing a couple games at Camelback Ranch to see who the Dodgers have. Spoiler, they're loaded with guys you've never heard of that are going to be the next. It's ridiculous. Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, we're losing you, unfortunately, a little bit there. But it's a, the Dodgers are absolutely stacked.

That team today just beat the brakes off of the rafters. It was the desert dogs out in Glendale. So, but yeah, the weather has been beautiful. I've been going to these. fall league games with you. And to be honest, I've really just really enjoyed being around baseball again. You said it to me when we were at the game, but it just feels like you're closer to the game when you go to spring training games and these AFL games than you get anywhere else. Yeah, because it becomes more about the sport. It becomes about the game versus the spectacle

of being at the stadium and paying $20 for a beer and a hot dog and $45 for a cap. It's really about what's going on on the field, learning the players' names. And really, it's like an investment of your time to find out what's going to come next, especially if you're sticking around late in a spring training game. You want to find out, all right, who's maybe going to be down in AA and AAA by the time the seventh, very thinning rolls around. Yeah. And not only that, but I mean, I don't know. I, like you said, the concessions were nice. I got a gigantic hot dog for $6 out at Surprise Stadium. Jesse, it was the biggest. It was the biggest. It was the biggest hot dog I've eaten in years. It was absurdly big. I don't want to go on and start

sounding ridiculous like I'm going to when I start sounding about both length and girth of this hot dog. But it made me feel inadequate as an eater if you get what I'm saying. And again, $6. So you can't be too mad about that. But weather in Arizona in November coming from Colorado. What are your thoughts? I know today was... Do we have to talk about Arizona weather right now? Yeah, we have to. It was hot out, Jesse. It was hot out there.

Really? Okay. All right. It's 80 degrees, but it's a very hot 80 degrees. In Colorado, it was in the mid-70s over the weekend, too. So this whole region has been experiencing a bit of a heat wave here in the autumn. But, yeah, Phoenix weather has been really nice, given some Southern California vibes, minus any water. But enjoying the palm trees, enjoying the kind of laid-back vibe. Definitely has a concrete jungle feel to it.

I've never been to Arizona in the summertime, just spring training, and as well as the beginning of the 2018 season when the Rockies opened up in Arizona. So never really got to feel the full impact of the sun, but I can imagine standing outside for even a second at a time, that concrete jungle can be brutal. You want to keep it that way, Patrick. Just don't come in the summer. We'll come and visit you when the Diamondbacks are in Denver.

You don't want to come here. Just telling you that right now. It's like I was telling you earlier, the great Peggy Hill from King of the Hill said, this city is a monument to man's arrogance. And that's exactly what it is out here in the middle of the desert. It's hot even on a beautiful fall day in November, but we can't get away from it. You brought up the Dodgers and how stacked they are. obviously we're in this fight together.

At times I think the Dodgers or the Diamondbacks and the Rockies just need to come together. Like do lonesome fighters in a knife fight. If they like joined forces. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I wanted to get your thoughts, though, from your franchise's perspective on just the NL West. Is it as daunting to you guys to go up against these, you know, California teams that are all, very good and seem like they're going to be good for a long time as it is for the

Dinembacks. Absolutely. That's being in the same division as a powerhouse like the Dodgers really makes it, you know, very challenging and also considering that for much of the year. They're really the only one in that mountain standard time zone. So they've got to compete with that and traveling west and everything that that comes involved into that. But one of the trickiest issues, I think, and Derek, you and I,

We've talked about it, Jesse, I think we've had those conversations too, is this idea of how you combat that and how do you recognize when you've got a window of contention? And what do you do you do you are out of that window of contention? Do you tear it all down? Do you trade away your best veterans in hopes of building up the farm system for future years? It's something that the Rockies really don't do. It's something that they're not a big fan of. They're going to lose Trevor's story here. and if he signs more of a pillow contract for less than $50 million,

the compensation pick they get will only be somewhere in the 70th overall selection. So not quite what they were hoping when they're going at the deadline. And for John Gray, they'll get nothing. So that's something you can't do if you need to make sure every move that you make is correct. The Dodgers can make a million wrong moves and still be okay. The Rockies, not as much. Diamondbacks, not as much. Yeah, no, that's exactly it.

We talk about, like Jesse just had a piece on the website on go p.nx.com about the Zekranki contract. Fantastic article, too, by the way, Jesse. Yeah. They also, they just also have, you know, like that same thing going now with Madison Bumgarner. Like you were saying, it's not really a mistake, but that much money invested in one person makes such a big difference to a team. like the debacks and it does for the Dodgers. The Dodgers can invest that in someone, have it not really work out

and still supplement the team with this talent from all over the place, whether it's more guys they pick up out of free agency or guys that they already had on the team or guys coming up from their farm system. It seems like they just have this wealth of talent from every direction. I say this phrase a lot.

I haven't said it in the last month or so, but if you take care of the little things, the big things take care of themselves. And so I think the Dodgers do all of those little things really well with analytics, developing the international market. Yeah. There's young free agents. And you have to do all of that so incredibly well everywhere because it's such a crapshoot,

especially if we're talking about amateur ball players and the path that it takes to go from signing that first professional contract to be a contributing member to a major league club. So you've got to do all those things really well. on a misstep, especially in free agency, the Rockies had the same issue where they spent $106 million on three relief pitchers who at the time, he said, hey, that was the, those were the final pieces to help keep the window open so that it becomes three, four, maybe even a five-year window of contention.

That did not work out well. Ian Desmond also did not work out well. In fact, the last two years, he didn't even play for them. He didn't even bother showing up in that capacity. So that's a challenge. And for the Rockies, they've gone to. about basically sitting on their hands and saying, hey, you know what, we're just not going to participate in that anymore. Now, they've said they're going to add some payroll this offseason

and want to try to add a power bat. Nick Castellanos might be too rich for their blood. Kyle Schwabber could be within their range since it could be less than $100 million, but even at $80 million, that's a deal. That was more than what was given to Ian Desmond. And Ian Desmond was jammed into a corner at first base, position he hadn't really played before. but he's athletic enough to make it work. Did okay, still underperformed, whereas Kyle Schwerber might be a guy that doesn't have this shortstop and middle infield pedigree as an Ian Desmond.

It might not have a true position. So it could end up working out even worse. So the Rockies are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Some of it is unlucky. Some of it is, look, you make the luck for yourself that you make, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, and I also think, you know, when you talk about the success that the Dodgers have had,

you know, we can credit their farm system. We can credit their acquisitions in free agency. They have still had guys that they have picked up off of other teams' trash heaps that they turned into superstars with the Dodgers, right? I want to say with the Dodgers, I want to point out that like as much as we discuss how much, you know,

they've got all this money. They've got the ability to make mistakes. And that's all true, right? But as much as they have the ability to make mistakes, they don't make that many. Like, AJ Pollock has turned into a great signing for them, right? At first, it didn't look so good. He was excellent this year for them, right? They're trading for guys like mooky bets, who they're then willing to pay a whole bunch of money.

That's probably going to work out for them because he's mooky bets, right? They're probably about to pay Trey Turner as well. That's probably going to work out for them because Trey Turner is a really good player who's worth investing in, right? So, like, they're making all these big moves. but I think we also have to be honest with ourselves that like the Dodgers make a lot of good decisions. It's not just that they're getting away with stuff. I think you could maybe make that argument several years ago when they were giving Matt Kemp all sorts of ridiculous money. That's not really the case anymore.

Like the Dodgers make a lot of good choices. And like you just said, Derek, a lot of that is, you know, picking up Max Muncie and turning him into, you know, this superstar player and picking up Chris Taylor for basically nothing from the Mariners, picking up Justin Turner for basically nothing from the Mets, right? Like these are the kinds of moves that the Dodgers are built on. And as much as they have the ability to make mistakes, they don't. They're just that. They've just made that many good decisions over the last few years.

Right. And it's kind of like what we've talked about with the Diamondbacks, right? I'm sure the Rockies experiences too, but the Diamondbacks just have had a few players slip past us that then become good or even great. They're definitely better than they were here, right? So Robbie Ray is officially a Sy Young's finalist. Yeah. McChanniger.

Just FYI. Don't forget Ms. Channiger too. Yeah. Right. However, though, you know, like you said, there's also teams in the NOS like the Padres that tried to make moves and didn't even make the playoffs. I know not everybody's going to make the playoffs.

The Giants had a crazy year that didn't really make sense for their team and their roster, but they just showed that you can still do it even when the expectations are low and not of people, you know, not people aren't choosing you. Your payroll might not be the most in the division. I still think that the Rockies and the D-backs are in a much better position than like the Padres who spent as much as they did to go nowhere. I just think the Padres are still going to be very good, if not better, in the next coming years.

So that's something else that both of our teams have to contend with. It just feels exhausting, though. It really does. It feels like what you said, Patrick, that almost seems unfair that teams like the Rockies and the debacks and other small market teams have to wait for some sort of weird moment of weakness. Yeah, door to open up where the team that is great isn't as good as they've normally been. And this team somehow can put together just enough, you know, homegrown talent mixed with some guys that have performed well, maybe pick up a free agent or two and have enough to contend

with with the big dogs. It just, it seems like it's constantly an uphill battle for this team. common bond between the three powers of the West, if you will, of varying levels is finances, right? It is. It is. Right. And the Padres are, I mean, for all intents and purposes, a small market club when you think about the fact that they're the only of the four major sports teams in the city of San Diego. And you go, oh, that's kind of a, you know, a small market. But their owner has said, yeah, we're going to spend. We're going to put a lot of money out there. It's kind of like what you see in Europe when you have someone who, who is an oil baron or some kind of captain of industry goes in and says,

I'm just going to buy a club from the, you know, the championship league and, or the, excuse me, the Coca-Cola championship level in England and then take them up to the Premier League, you know, spoiler alert for Ted Lassau Watchers there. But it's about finances, right? And that's the biggest hurdle that, you know, smaller clubs like the Rockies and diamondbacks really can't possibly overcome and you know you've you've got to maximize as much as you possibly can which sometimes means you know uh getting every last morsel off the bone as possible and and that and that's that's not tanking but that is saying look we we don't want to get rid of

john gray we we love Trevor's story what what happened with john gray Patrick can you explain I am a I've taken a lot of heat still figuring that one out Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, well, you know, the biggest thing going around is until he's somewhere else, he's not somewhere else. And so it doesn't mean that the relationship, yeah, the relationship isn't over. It's just that when the Rockies went to him and offered a reported three years, roughly $40 million, what they were doing is was saying that, you know, you're probably going to want four years. There might even be a team out there will give you five. Probably not.

But they're going to want four years. they're going to probably ask for five. And at, you know, 13.5 million, whatever it is annually, they were ultimately saying even though you're a free agent and could potentially negotiate with 29 other teams, we think you're just as valuable, if not maybe even slightly less valuable than Herman Marquez, who, you know, they signed a few years before his free agency,

bought out some arbitration years as well as a couple years of free agency, Antonio Sinsettella, who signed the five-year, $50.5 million contract. And so at the end of that deal, he'll be getting essentially what they were offering John Gray. And these were players that were not free agents yet. So when you enter into that fray, you should be getting more money. And I think, you know, the thought by his agents and himself was that, you know, he's worth more than that. Now, I still think John wants to play in Colorado.

I don't think this was a total slap in the face. And one of the things that owner Dick Monford said this past year after the Noel Aronado deal is, you know, letting go of DJ Lemayhew was a mistake. And that was a situation where they had offered him something. His agents kind of rebuffed and said, we think he's worth a little bit more. Now, he didn't get more in the market. Ended of getting the same thing that as Daniel Murphy did,

two years, $24 million. Structuring of the deal was slightly different, but didn't get that deal. And that was really when the wheels started to fall off this. And the Rockies couldn't straighten it out, get back to the postseason in 2019. So we'll see if it's, ownership made him from this and says, yes, we, I guess we need to make this one right and

pay him a little bit more than anticipated. The thing about Rockies fans that their frustration with the team is, and again, we've talked about this weird stance. I've talked about it with you, Jesse and I have talked about it. The diehard Rockies fans are upset that the stadium is filled with people and the owner isn't spending, the owner isn't spending money, and they feel like people coming out to the games sends the wrong message. What I'll say from an outsider perspective on that mixed with what I know from the Arizona Diamondbacks, I went to more Diamondbacks games this year, unfortunately, than I ever have. And I know for a fact what I've seen with my own eyes.

I know for a fact that sometimes when that announcement comes on in the press box and says, tonight's attendance is 6,742 people. I don't believe that that's accurate. I'm like 6,000. Let me go count, right? Because they're taking into account like season ticket holders that aren't there that night whose tickets they didn't necessarily punch and other things like that. Like they're typically saying tickets sold,

not necessarily people that are there in the building tickets that were scanned, right? So on some nights, it's not even that small amount. Meanwhile, I'm looking at the attendance figures for the Rocky. I'm seeing the games and pictures from the games. It looks like a great time in Colorado. I would love to see the stadium filled like that, despite how bad or good the team is doing. I also understand from deep down in my soul

that there is a part of me as a fan that would also be asking, where the hell is my money going if you guys refuse to spend it on the team, right? Like, we come out, we support, we're here, we're buying merch, we're doing stuff, we're shopping across the street at the cool mall thing. Like you guys have a great environment, a great, you know, night out in that area. So why aren't you taking the money I'm giving you and spending it on the team? I am not in the Montford family to be able to answer that.

I want to know. Give me answers. No, I know. No, you're right. That's like, you know, because at least with the debacks, I know that they're not getting that money, right? I can look with my eyes and be like, yikes, this team's kind of in trouble as far as finances go. because if they can't bring people into this building, I know they have a television deal,

I know they have other sources of income, I get all of that. But, you know, getting fans in the seats at a stadium is still a big part of, you know, the revenue for teams. And when, you know, the stadium is as empty as it is, you can understand why they didn't spend,

they spent almost $200 million less than the Dodgers as far as payroll went last year. But the Rockies, it's still, you know, I still, I can completely, see how it would confound fans where, you know, where the money is going and why isn't this team when they have young talent, trying harder to supplement it, make it make, make this a good team. Yeah, I'll say this. The Rockies have spent, you know, fairly well. It might, might even be surprising to know that in the late 2010s, you know, in 17, 18, 19, they were, they were around like

the 10th highest payroll, maybe like 10th and 12th. They were right in there. So, you know, again, that, that was what happened when you spend close to $200 million on those free agents because you know what's coming. And you know that there's kind of a boom, right? Since 2013, since the legalization of marijuana, you know, there's been a lot more of a boom. And I think people also just realizing how beautiful Colorado is, similar to Phoenix area. You know, like there's just so much expansion. The pandemic has made that happen. And so after 2020, you know, ownership, I think, decided to take a step back a little bit with payroll.

It was, I think maybe 22nd. So took a big step back and that big step back had to do a lot with their Star 3rd Baseman, Nolan Aronado, which is a topic for a whole other day and why an opt-out clause was even thrown into his contract in the first place when he, the player and his agents didn't even ask for it. But that's a conspiracy for another day. Derek, Derek, you'll love this one and we'll have to talk about it this week. My thought, my thinking is we had a Brett Hart.

situation where it was a lifetime contract for $1 million and then hey we can't we know full well we just need to keep you around for a short period of time yeah yeah jesse well we'll we'll explain what that jesse will help you to another podcast the montreal screw job we'll teach you all about all sorts of the heart family dungeon yeah all these wonderful things but they yeah we'll start with Canada and work our way down as far as wrestling knowledge goes there's a lot to deal with in canada though the Calgary Stampede wrestling. There's a lot to teach you about. We'll get to all that.

Yeah, they cut back payroll in 2021. In fact and Gray, the qualifying offer seems like it could have been strange because if they were going to offer them close to $14 million in a three-year deal, 18.4 isn't that much more than that. So would that have really like derailed the plans? Because they kept saying, hey, we're going to add a power bat to the lineup. You know, at least one. So you knew at that point, you go, all right, you're going to add maybe 30, 35 million to payroll.

I think that's on the high end. Maybe they were thinking they were going to get a cheaper option. You know, they do a good job with some non-raster invites. I mean, look at what they got out of CJ Crone this year. Sure. Signing him now to a two-year deal, so he'll be back the next two seasons. So, you know, maybe they were going to go John Gray and then a cheaper bat. Jorge Soler is one of those players that, at least before the World Series, you thought.

He would be pretty fun in court's field. He would be fun. And then the next off season, the next off season is when they're really, they're going to start, you know, bringing things back up and you might see them in the low teen. So they do spend that money. I will give them that credit. How they spend it is partially the difference between them and the Padres right now. That makes the difference. It's made a big difference in the Diamondbacks history.

Let me tell you, you know, sometimes they swing for the fences. but it seems like they don't realize that that one big contract for an ace, you know, starting pitcher isn't necessarily enough to get you where you need to go. But you guys can get where you need to go, obviously, using the Draft King's Sportsbook app. Draft Kings is an official sports betting partner of the NFL. They're also a sports betting partner of the NBA. New customers right now can bet just $1 on either team to score and can win $100 in free bets. and that counts for both NBA games and NFL games. You get $1 on either team to score,

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I got the, I got five shirts, Jesse. I have five shirts. Oh, you don't want to know. Do you want to know? No, none of them are with feedback shirts. Yeah, of course. I got the Cardinals one. I got that sweet coyotes, howling coyotes job.

I got the gorilla one, again, that's based on my PWG tattoo right there. Right. And the gray flag one. And I think one other as well, the Cardinals ball, the Cardinal on the ball. I got two of those. Jesse, let me say two things about that. one, a lot of folks in Denver, a little jealous of the shirts you guys have. I think it's also because we're used to see in the same colors, that brightness, that a lot of reds going on in there.

And two, we know a lot's going on with the supply chain. And I've seen the stock that we have. It comes to the bar, comes to the D&R bar in Denver. So I know we've got it. People don't have to worry about that for the holidays. Put in your order, you're not going to find out two, three weeks later. or, oh, you know what, that gift I was hoping to get somebody, the biggest, you know, Arizona sports fan I know, now they're going to be disappointed. No, they're not if you go to the PHNX Locker.

That's right, buddy. That's right. Give, you know, this holiday season, give a membership. Maybe someone would love a membership. It's a great gift idea this holiday season. Give someone an annual membership and it'll come with a free t-shirt with them. It sounds like you're the hero of Christmas or the holidays, if you ask me. But again, we appreciate you guys checking out, being a member and of course we appreciate Patrick keeping an eye on our shirts over at the DNBR. Of course, we're obviously jealous of you guys because of that bar. You have a bar. You know, when we get a bar, I'm going to live there.

Jesse is going to hate it. I'm going to make him come to the bar for everything. He's going to be like, can we talk text messages? I'm like, no, no, no, come down to the bar. We'll meet in person because this is where I look now. Yeah, it opens a lot of doors doing that. you can have your business meetings right there at the bar over Brexbrough, whatever it may be. So it's fantastic.

Like I said, that's kind of where all of our backstock, as it were, all the shirts and stuff. So it's a little bit of everything there. And of course, all the great Denver businesses we have in the area is fantastic. And you know what? Because I want people to start following me from Phoenix and get some interest in the Rockies. Follow me at Patrick D. Lyons. Here's a hack. If you don't want to pay for a membership, you may.

This is a May. If you get a tattoo of the PHNX logo, I'm pretty sure you get a few multi-membership. Oh, my God. This is something that has gone down in Denver. There has been some rumors of this offer floating around in a chat or two that I am a part of. Yeah. So I don't know if it's official, but I just want to say this is.

the same network where I started calling myself the mayor and then Espos came in and appointed me the mayor. So, crazier things have happened. Crazyer things have happened. I say go get your PHNX tattoo. Flash it to somebody at this website. And I'm sure that you will become a lifetime member. I mean, we'll figure it out down the line.

Yeah. Don't let the details get in the way. Go get the tattoo first and then we'll figure out the rest of it. And you can trust this from a guy who's nickname, at least in Denver, is Big Papa Parley. Yeah. We also call you that as well. Oh, my God. See, I don't know if you heard that one. I didn't know that. Haller if you hear me. Big Popper parley. I love it. Jesse, we need to dock this guy down a peg or two, right? So I don't know how well we're going to do here, but I think it's time for us to get wrapped up in a little thing we love to do around here, which it's time to do some snake drafting.

It's snake drafting time. And of course, an honor of our friend Patrick being here. course, in honor of our two teams, which are hand in hand miserable at the bottom of this division, we're going to today, snake draft a wonderful category that Patrick came up with himself, which is, we are going to snake draft the best Arizona Diamondbacks slash Colorado Rockies players. In order to qualify for this draft, the player must have played for both the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Colorado Rockies. That's the only rule. And believe it or not, we have a list of 63 players who have played for both the Diamondbacks and the Rockies. I had no idea. If you would have told me 12, I would have said, sure, sounds right. 20. Yeah,

you're getting there. 63? Holy crap. And that doesn't even count like our former pitching coach, I don't believe, which was also part of both squads. So these are actual players that have played for both teams. And I went ahead and kicked in a draft order, stacking automatic thing. Of course, you'll tell here I lost because I am picking last with the number of first pick in this draft. It is Jesse. So Jesse, it's all on you now, buddy. Who do you have as your number one?

overall pick in this Rockies D-Backs draft. I honestly did not want the first pick because it is almost impossible. I don't want the first draft big. I feel, I feel Mike in that position right now. Too much pressure. Yeah, too much pressure. How about this?

Jesse, let's take some pressure off you. Okay, because I don't like you feeling this kind of pressure for a friend of mine. Sure. So you can trade me the first pick and I, in exchange, will give you Shelby Miller. What is happening? No, no, Jesse, don't do it.

Don't listen to him. This is a bad man. This is a bad idea. That's a really tempting offer. Don't do it, Jesse. Very tempting. I swear God, whatever you pick will end up hitting at least two home runs in the World Series three to four years from now. No, that's ridiculous, Patrick.

I'm not going to do that. All right. So I am going to take a player that, frankly, I don't know. Like, I really don't know. This is a pretty hard call to make. Like, who is the best player? that is played for both teams. But I know one player who is kind of viewed,

I guess I can't really speak from the Rocky side as much, but I know on the Diamondback side, this player is viewed with all sorts of respect. And I suspect it's the same thing on the Rocky side. I am taking utility infielder Daniel Descalso, number one overall. What? What is wrong with you?

What is six words I never thought I'd hear? the first overall pick, Daniel Gissel. Is that, yeah, that's about right. There you go. There you go. Oh, my God. I stand by that, Derek. I stand by that.

You can hate on it all you want. I'm going to hate on it. I'm going to hate on it for days after this. Go ahead. You're next, Patrick. Ooh, all right. This is tough. They're, you know, I'm going to go with a guy that, you know, he's a lot more of a

diamondbacks guy. than a Rockies guy. But you know what? He was a part of that World Series club in 2007. Didn't get into the postseason. So he does have a postseason pedigree. So for my first pick, I'm going to go with outfielder, Steve Finley. Oh, Steve Finley.

Got to give it up for him. Yeah, 153 home runs with the debacks. That's a big one. Of any debacks, Rocky's guy. D-Rox. I like to. I think this should be called D-Bed. The D-Rox draft.

All right. We can do the D-Rox draft. Great. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Well, I guess I'll take two picks here. And I don't like these picks.

Not one bit. I don't like anything that I'm picking here. You wish you could take Daniel DeSalso, don't you, Derek? I really do. I really do. I know I'm going to butcher this man's name, but let's, let's, let's, first. First go with Mark Reynolds. I'm going to go with Mark Reynolds for the power.

For the power and not for the strikeouts. I'm not going for the strikeouts. I'm not going for the strikeouts. I'm going for the power. And I'm also going to take as a pitcher, excuse me, if I'm butchering this, Yolice Shachin. Is that how you say it? Am I close? I think so here's the thing. I always said Chasine.

Chasine? I think it's a same. In the S box, a couple of the new people that we had kept saying, Shishine or Shasine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Well, it's like Jesse and I were talking about

Chaconi, right? For Slate Chaconi. Yeah, you're like afraid to say it now, Derek. I am. Okay, I'll say it the way. Like, Chikoni. You know, I got to try to put something behind it. Like, I feel, and then when you hear the press box, it's just a very civil Slate Ciccone, you know?

And I'm like, hmm, I don't know if you're saying it right. I think you're on track there, Derek. All right. It is. Thank you. You keep the Italian flair in there. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, Patrick. Back to you. All right. Pitcher off the board. So I'm going to go with a guy kind of known for making his mark more at the Rockies. In fact, he's considered to be the greatest Rockies pitcher of all time. And no, it's not Ruevaldo Jimenez.

No, it's not John Gray or Herman Marquez. But by some statistics and metrics, if you will, that would be Mr. Jorge de la Roche. That's a good one. That's who I thought you were going to go with, Derek. I know. It was trust me.

You had very good numbers at Coorsfield. Oh, yeah. And it would have been better for your pronunciation guy, too. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Well, no, it goes better for the fact that I'm terrible at pronouncing names that I took one that I can't pronounce.

All right. All right. Okay. Well, actually, you know what we're going to do? I'm going to have you pick one. And then we're going to just remind you. everybody about draft kings and then we'll get back to this uh draft breaking up his well you're doing it during his pick i see how i see the dynamics here derr yeah that's the way it works

also you both get to participate in the snake draft i don't i'm in the middle so i don't get you were complaining about it earlier you're like i don't like the name of this show snake drafting circuitous drafting you know when we come to your show call it you know a rock fall or something i don't know rock well uh jessey let's get at least one pick from you all right All right. I am going to go with a guy who is really kind of a legend in the Diamondbacks fan community. Honestly, I didn't really even remember that this guy apparently played for the Rockies at some point.

I am taking former Diamondbacks fan favorite Eric Burns. Oh. Because who doesn't love. Terrible. I want to burn your team to the ground. Eric Burns is a hero of mine because he's, I'm pretty sure he finished. Western states, which is a race.

It's basically like Boston Marathon, but instead of running on the streets in the mountains of Northern California. It's an ultra marathon. It's fantastic. It's crazy. Yeah, a friend of mine is an ultra runner like that. He does a lot of events.

And yeah, he got me into actually even following and watching some of them, which is something I never thought I would do. But to be honest, it's way more interesting than NASCAR, in my opinion. It's a much better race with so many different variables and some of the stuff that happens is actually insane. Like wild animal attacks and weird shit like that that happens. Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty wild. But anyway, like I was saying, I need to break up our, I need to break up this good talk. And I just want to remind you guys again, it doesn't matter.

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All right, Jesse, round three. Snake drafting back to you. Let's see what other terrible names can you add to your team that I want to burn to the ground. I know. I don't like it one bit. All right. All right. Well, we'll see what you think of this pick.

So I'm taking another Diamondbacks legend who honestly, more so than he's known as a Diamondbacks player or Rocky's player, is probably known as one of the better big league managers in the game today. He is currently a manager, and that is none other than Craig Counsel. Nice. He was a big part of the Diamondbacks 2001 squad and is very, very highly thought of as probably one of the best managers in the game right now. So Derek, put that in your pipe and smoke.

I like that one. I like that one. All right. Patrick, back to you. That's a great pick. Great pick. All right. I'm going to go with a guy who's, you know, I'm not sure if he's beloved from the DVX.

I'm going to think he is because he's got to be beloved everywhere he goes, whether it's Washington, D.C., or whether it's Tokyo, Japan. It's the man who in Colorado love riding around on a scooter. It's Herardo Parra. I love Herado Parra. He's a great guy, great ambassador for the game. I won't lie, that was my next pick. Jesse's been doing that to me all this whole. this whole draft so far.

But you know what? He's so well respected, too, that, you know, he essentially was done this season. I'm not even sure that he was hurt. But you know what? He was on the aisle for the Nats. And when they came through in Colorado in September, he was there, you know, sitting at the edge of the dugout during batting practice, saying hi to his former teammates and standing right next to him,

22-year-old Juan Soto, just like a little puppy dog. And so that's the kind of guy he is. That's the kind of leader of men that Herato Par is. So I'm glad to have him on my. team. Man, I absolutely love that guy as a member of this team. I really did. For me, personally, he was, he was my

fan favorite. He was my favorite guy. He really was. He was a lot. He was very much beloved. I think he homered in his first at bat. Yeah. Everyone just loved. He was a great defender. He was great with runners in scoring position. He was really clutch. It was, yeah. All of that stuff. Yeah, he would get running dry,

you know, like he would get the things going when there was, you know, get on base with a walk. and steal second. And the next thing you know, they had something cooking. He was always one of those guys that got the offense rolling when no one else could.

And yeah, just an absolutely great defender. Somebody who we definitely, the Diamondbacks fans definitely saw leave before we wanted to. All right. I'm going to make my two picks really quick and easy. I'm going to go, I'm going to placate to the Diamondbacks fan base a little bit,

and I'm going to placate to the Rocky's fan base a little bit. I'm going to take Chris Ioneta, and I'm going to take Tony Womack. very nice i like that will mac yeah more more obviously for the for the debacks but did have a spell with colorado the ionetta one is is a big one he definitely was due to come off there at the end of round three i respect that yeah i love both of those guys but i think uh for me personally both of those names are uh very attached to like you said chris with the the rockies and tony woolmac with the Diamondbacks.

I mean, I can't even think of Tony Womack being with any other team despite the career he had. It's just he was such a big part of that 2001 World Series team. All right. So I'm up next. I need Jesse as you go next. Are you going for more bigger name? Are you looking to just get the best overall player?

Come on. He's trying to steal your pick next, Jesse. Don't let him do it. Don't let him do it. you cut out for me Patrick are you trying to you trying to like figure out what's going on my head right now you try to play the system what's happening right now jesse don't make any notes on the sheet don't make any notes that he can see on the shared document i just might i just might have to remove shared privileges okay jesse and really watch you scramble reaching for gregg colbrun or horhe julio i'll do it if i need to

shoot all right you know i am great colbrun doesn't sound too bad He's not. No, he had a pretty good batting average with both teams, too. 310 with the Diamondbacks, 311 with the Rockies. So it's pretty sound to think of it. You know, I'm, you know, I got two guys on the list that we're an All-Star with Colorado. One of them's going to get me in trouble. The other one, not as much.

But, you know, all right, I'll go with Jeff Sorillo. Now, didn't play very much with the Diamondbacks. I think he finished up his career there in 2007, only 28 games, but was an all-star that first season in 2001 with the, or excuse me, in 2000 with the Rockies. So, you know, he doesn't get talked about too much because he only had a two-year stint before he hit free agency, but is part of a long line of great Rockies' third baseman between Binnie Castilla, Josh Fuentes, opening day, third baseman, and his cousin.

That's how we refer to him as Josh Fuentes, his cousin. The cousin. Sometimes just the cousin. The cousin. All right, Jesse, your final two picks. Make them good. All right. So I'm going, so two in a row here, right?

I don't know if they can live up to your Descalso pick, but we'll see. He still would have been on the board. He still would have been available, Jesse. He could have been a fifth round thing. Unless there's something to do with allocated money, like, you know, you're going to take some of the money for the scalzo. Jesse's in the back. Jesse needed a utility infielder is what he needs. he was playing his needs for his team.

I really did. No, I honestly just have kind of an irrational love for Daniel DeScalso because. We all do in Arizona for sure. Yeah, I mean, he was just when the Diamondbacks were good in 2017, like it wasn't like he was batting third in the lineup every day. But he was just such a big part of their success that year. But didn't he got third? He did bat third at one point during that season.

Oh, I'm sure. He was doing so well that they put it up. Yeah. No, he was, I mean, he was a huge, a huge part of the lineup, especially anytime the Diamondbacks were facing a right-handed pitcher. And even in the playoffs, I think they really, they really leveraged him. Anyway, I'll stop justifying my Daniel Bascalsall, because I don't need to because it was, it was the right pick for sure, no matter what you say. All right. All right. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with a guy who, frankly, is not necessarily that well known for their time with the Rockies or the Diamondbacks. but they're quite, quite accomplished in their own right. I'm going to take Will Harris, who is an excellent relief pitcher.

He was okay with the Diamondbacks. I honestly, I don't know. Apparently it was with the Rockies before that. Was he okay in Denver, Patrick? Yeah, it was a super short stint. That was, I think, when he made his major league debut with the Rocky. So he's one of those names when the postseason comes around. People say, hey, you know, who are some ex-Rockeys players in the postseason?

Yeah, he kind of forget him. I'm always there. Yeah, Joe Bimal is another one. He was like, yeah, he was with the Rockies for a little while. So can't forget him. So I think that's a nice selection. All right, there you go. So Will Harris, that's my number, my number four.

And then round five. Ooh, I'm kind of torn between a couple names here. I'm going to go with a player who was actually quite beloved in Arizona for a time. And then he kind of fell off. And then he later circled around, wound up with Denver. later on in his career pretty recently here. I'm going to go with Chris Owings, who was a diamond back for a few years. He was a top prospect in Arizona for a while.

He kind of fell off there in the middle years. Overall, he hasn't, his career hasn't really panned out like, like I think a lot of people have hoped for. But he's had some, you know, a good decent stint in Denver. And, you know, he's certainly still not done yet. So something to be said for a career that has lasted as long as his has. So there you go. There's my number five.

I did think about going with Owings, but he's been really hurt with Colorado, but when he's been healthy, he's actually been really good. And I think he's one of those players that Colorado would love to bring back. You know, again, probably going to be on a minor league deal as he gets himself healthy, but is definitely on that good list. And, you know, fifth over, fifth pick on your club today. But you know, one of D Rockies and Kansas City Royals, he's going to go number one overall. but until that day we'll focus on the D-Rox and man

you know what I'm going to make it easy for you here Derek I'm going to tell you who I'm not going to pick it's not going to be Levan Hernandez or Bien Young Kim it's not going to be Quentin McCracken all right and it's not going to be Jordan Pacheco who we love in Colorado

I do love me from Jordan Pacheco or All-Star and two-time Silver Slugger Award winner Mike Hampton, I would be kicked out of the state if I were to draft him. But you can. I instead am going to draft Armando Ray Noso. Now, Ranozo was a part of that inaugural club and was really good. You know, pitched back when they played baseball at Mile High, which wasn't actually a football stadium.

It was a minor league ballpark. The Denver Bears played there, AAA Ball Club for the Yankees, Exposed Reds for a very long time. and they converted it into a football stadium where the Broncos would play. And so, Renoso, you know, an underrated guy, I think for both clubs in any ways. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you think you know me so well as you know who I'm going to pick and you start giving me all these ideas. Well, guess what? Guess what?

You do know me very well. I am going to pick my captain because I'm going to go for it. I want to win. I don't care about the performance. Did he even play a single game as an Arizona Diamondback? I don't know. but they acquired him and that's enough for him to qualify for this draft. Mike Hampton's my final pick.

Let's go. Let's go. We already know Jesse lost. So this is between you and me, Patrick. Ten games, ten games for Mike Hampton. And I can tell you, Jesse can tell you there, his pitching line in all ten of those games. So start with the quality starts. Go ahead.

The brain, baby. He knows it all. He's got it in it. Not that far back. No. No, no. I mean, he was in like sixth grade back then. Jesse had school and stuff to deal with. I have no recollection of Mike Hampton being on the Diamondbacks. Yeah. Well, I really don't remember that at all. It happened.

Those are sometimes the best and most exciting players. Like when you go, especially again, talking about World Series, you look and say, all right, who played one game with this team and is going to win a ring? Like Jonathan Lucroy played two games with Atlanta, played a couple more with the Rockies. And so you say, hey, that guy's going to, know, going to get a World Series ring. And so every year, that's always fun to look at. And who you either forgot played with your club or who you almost never even knew did. No kidding. No kidding. Right.

Especially when they were with your club well before, you know, they got hot or became a name. And then you're like, oh, wait, is that the same guy that was, uh, but, hey, Patrick, we want to thank you so much for joining us. You guys are going to get not just one helping, but a second helping of Patrick Lyons. Oh, gosh, we have out him on again. Yeah, he's coming back on Thursday. Yeah, he's bringing the sunglasses in studio. So Patrick Lyons will be with us.

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