PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - BREAKING: The Diamondbacks have designated Madison Bumgarner for assignment

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

The Arizona Diamondbacks make the tough decision many fans have been waiting for, designating starting pitcher Madison Bumgarner for assignment on Thursday.WATCH YOUR FAVORITE TEAMS HERE: www.fubotv.c...om/phnxSUBSCRIBE to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/phnx_youtubeALL THINGS PHNX: http://linktr.ee/phnxsports Gametime: Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code PHNX for $20 off your first purchase.BetMGM: Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code PHNX (https://mediaserver.betmgmpartners.com/renderBanner.do?zoneId=1693757). Place a pre-game, moneyline wager in the amount of at least $10 on any market at standard odds price. You will receive $200 in Bonus Bets instantly regardless of the outcome of your wager! Just make sure you use bonus code PHNX when you sign up!Plus join us at the BetMGM Sportsbook at State Farm Stadium for all Suns’ away playoff games. Our PHNX Suns watch parties, presented by NUTRL, will feature food and drink specials, PHNX giveaways, and BetMGM deposit matches. Join us by grabbing your free ticket: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/616706063437Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI). Visit BetMGM.com for Terms & Conditions. US promotional offers not available in DC, Nevada, New York or Ontario.PHNX: Become a Diehard today! Check out https://phnxlocker.com/ to grab your membership to receive exclusive content, discounts on all events and merch, and access to our Discord chats. Circle K: Make sure you’re not missing out on all this great stuff, and be stocked all March Madness long! Head to https://www.circlek.com/store-locator to find Circle Ks near you!OGeez!: Learn more about OGeez! at https://ogeezbrands.com//. Must be 21 years or older to purchase.Rotowire: Get your free trial and unlock all the best fantasy sports news and analysis at https://rotowire.com/phnxFour Peaks: Join us for our NFL Draft Day Live Party at Four Peaks’ 8th St. Pub. Register for free to receive drink specials: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/phnx-cardinals-nfl-draft-party-tickets-610031329127Must be 21+. Enjoy responsibly. Roman: Go to https://ro.co/PHNX today to get 20% off your entire first order. When you shop through links in the description, we may earn affiliate commissions. Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:11 and welcome into a breaking edition of the PHNX DVax podcast. Happy 420 to all who observe. It's a 420 miracle. Madison Bumgardner has been designated for assignment by the Arizona Diamondbacks. Welcome in, of course, I am your mayor of emergencies, occasionally known as Derek Montia. He is your vice mayor of emergencies. He's also your thunder stick. It's Jesse Friedman.
Starting point is 00:00:37 Derek, it's a good day to be a DVax fan, right? I think there's a lot of people who are very excited about this. We were talking yesterday after our show about the possibility of this happening and the significance that it would have, the significance that it would have for this season. And I brought it up yesterday. I was like, you know what? I think Diamondbacks fans may well get more excited about Madison Bumgarner being DFAed than they would about some splashy trade like around the trade deadline, right?
Starting point is 00:01:08 Like this is something that Diamondbacks fans have wanted. wanted dating back to the 2021 season when Mad Bum actually had some stints of being pretty good for this team. Last year, I guess early in the season last year, he was also pretty good for a while there. But these last 14 starts that Mad Bum has made with the Diamondbacks Derek, he has an ERA around eight. That's almost half a season of pitching in a starting rotation with an ERA around eight. This was absolutely the decision that the Diamondbacks had to make as we discussed yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:40 and good on them for going out and, you know, they're eating a ton of money. But this is the decision. $52 million, Jesse. $52 million. If we want to start off with talking about the bad, there's the bad. $52 million, including the $15 million in deferred payments that they would have to make. There's just so many things about this that don't make sense, right? It doesn't make sense to cut ties with somebody that has had the career.
Starting point is 00:02:10 that Madison Bumgarner has had. It doesn't make sense to eat that much money. However, when you look at Madison Bumgarner's numbers this year, it was absolutely the decision that had to be made. We talked about the money. We talked about eating $52 million. And we asked the question, is it worth it to eat that much money and have him still in your starting rotation, essentially making it very difficult on you to win a game every five days? Or eat that money and bring up one of the young guys, give somebody else an opportunity. Hell, even at this point, you know, find someone via a trade or something of that sort, even if that's, if you feel like you're that shallow now, if you feel like you don't have the depth you had, even going that route
Starting point is 00:02:56 right now seems like a better route than allowing Madison, Bumgarner to continue in the starting rotation. His numbers this year that you compiled are staggering. 16 and two-thirds innings pitched in four starts, four starts. So averaging around four innings per start. He, the diamondbacks have lost, I believe all four of his starts, Jesse. They, they actually did win one of those games. They're one in his four starts. Yeah. But not because of him. 25 hits allowed, 20 runs, 19 earned, 15 walks to 10 strikeouts, a 10.26 ERA, 2.404-0 whip, a 347 opponent batting average. I mean, they're video game numbers, right? Like, this is not, this is not what's what it's supposed to be like when you sign a guy like Madison Bumgarner who not that long ago was still a pretty good picture in this league, right?
Starting point is 00:03:52 And I was honestly staggered when I looked up Madison Bumgarner stats with the Giants one more time. It's not that I hadn't seen them before. But man, the year before Madison Bumgarner became a member of this Diamondbacks organization, he was not. not a bad pitcher, you know, like, like he wasn't peak mad bum. 2019 Madbub was not peak mad bum, but he had a sub four ERA. He pitched 207 plus innings for the Giants that year. And it was, it was sort of like Mad bum being mad bum. And I remember at the time, people were a little bit shaky about this signing, right,
Starting point is 00:04:29 five years, $85 million. Not everyone was super on board, but a lot of people were because the numbers that he was putting up with San Francisco at the time, we're still good enough where you figured that, okay, it's not peak Madison Bumgarner, you know, he might not be the kind of pitcher that he was in his prime, but he could still give a young Diamondbacks rotation some much needed innings. And he just hasn't done that. Mad Bum has thrown about 360 innings, give or take, dating back to 2020. So that's not necessarily, it's not like he's missed tons and tons of starts or anything.
Starting point is 00:05:04 but as you said, he's not been going deep into games this year. He really wasn't going deep into games last year. That just hasn't been part of what he's been able to bring to the Diamondbacks. And overall, I mean, it's been terrible, Derek. He has in his Diamondbacks career, Madison Bumgarner, I tweeted this out earlier, Madison Bumgarner has negative 0.6 baseball reference war. So according to baseball reference, he has been a below replacement level player for now going on four seasons. And it doesn't matter how much.
Starting point is 00:05:34 you're paying the guy, you know, at that point, if you're getting below replacement level production from a pitcher for that long, you got to let him go and that's what the diamondbacks did. Kylo says, I'm sad but also happy. And I feel like that's kind of how I feel too, right? To an extent, Jesse and I are around these guys and get to kind of know them a little bit. Not to say either one of us got to know Mad Bum based on his personality and his, I guess, his fondness for media. But you could, the one thing that I've kind of tried to, tried to say it quite a bit or at least try to defend Mad Bamon is he never seemed
Starting point is 00:06:13 like he wasn't upset about his performance with himself, that he wasn't trying to get better every single day. It just, just wasn't happening. I mean, I saw some questions. Someone said, I think it was Gabriel said something about, does his decline have some to do with the ban of sticky stuff in baseball? perhaps I have no way to know that we don't have any way to really suggest that kind of thing it it's not like madison bumgarner is that old he's just had a very extensive career his career with Arizona though not great like jessie said 15 and 32 in 69 starts nice come on come on he's going to total 69 starts and he gets dfade on 420 is this not a perfect uh of numbers ever in a career, 5.23 ERA in his entire time with Arizona. And that's still,
Starting point is 00:07:10 that's, that's, that's still very high to me, considering that we've seen Mad Bum in, in, in small stints, you know, for for small periods of time with this team actually be quite good. Last year was one of those times. Every starting pitcher on this team was quite good, to start the season last year. So I, it's not like we haven't seen what Madison Bumman. Gardner could be, it's just the consistency. This year, no consistency at all. Not even a light really at the end of the tunnel that makes you think that he can get through this and kind of overcome it.
Starting point is 00:07:42 We talked about some of the other options, which we probably are sure Madison Bumgarner wasn't okay with like going to the bullpen. But you also have, you know, have, have the fact that he's just not been very good this entire time with this team, right? There's not really something you can look back on in his time in his tenure with the Diamondbacks and say, well, there was, you know, at least that, you know, aside from small, like maybe a month here and there where he was good, he just, he just ended up costing this team a whole lot of money. Yeah, I mean, speaking of costing this team, right, we talked about yesterday how the Diamondbacks came out in spring training and they were going to give Mad Bum that starting rotation spot no matter what, right? it didn't matter how Bumner pitched in spring training, that rotation spot was locked down for him.
Starting point is 00:08:35 And what it did is you've got four games that Mad Bum pitched in this year. And the Diamondbacks went one in three in those games, right? So fortunately, they were able to, they were able to pull out a win. But at the end of the season, Derek, if we get to a point where the Diamondbacks are in the playoff mix and things are tight as I'm sure they would be if the Diamondbacks are in that position, you're going to look back on those four games, right? you're going to look back on the four games that Madison Bumgarner pitched in. Diamondbacks were able to come away with one win, but they were one and three.
Starting point is 00:09:05 You know, could you have gone two and two? Could you have gone three and one in those games if you had somebody else in the starting rotation at that point? If things are close at the end of the season, those are conversations that we're probably going to have to have. And you'll never really know the answer. But that's what the Diamondbacks have done by bringing in Madison Bumgarner into the rotation regardless of his performance and not force.
Starting point is 00:09:27 him to earn it. They've gotten a very, very poor performance from him in four starts. And unfortunately, even though they are making this decision now, those four games are always going to be there, right? Those three losses with Bumgarner on the mound are always going to be there. And fortunately, it's not that many, right? The debacks are making this move pretty early in the season, but it is something we might have to think about down the road. Overall, do you think that what do you think? I mean, we talked about this on yesterday. yesterday's show. And we thought that we might hear this announcement in Tori Lavello's press conference today. In fact, pulling back the curtain a little bit for our viewers and our listeners, we actually
Starting point is 00:10:09 planned an emergency podcast, which we don't really do because that's why they're called emergency podcast. But we plan. This is a planned, a planned, an expected emergency. We expected an emergency to take place today. And it just took place earlier in the day than we thought it was going to, right? But we felt like this move was imminent. I just have to ask you, are you still surprised that they did it? Or is this like something that you just actually expected to see them do this quickly? I'm not surprised. I am not surprised.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I had some people asked that yesterday on Twitter, you know, like would you, would you be surprised at this? And my answer was no. I wouldn't say I was, I was 100% sold that that was the move that the diamond backs were going to make. there was still part of me that wondered, okay, it's a tough matchup in St. Louis. Maybe you want to get him a start at home against the Kansas City Royals and, you know, see how that works. He has faced some pretty good competition this season.
Starting point is 00:11:09 But yeah, the Diamondbacks chose not to go down that road. And in my opinion, rightfully so. So what do we do next? What do you think the next move is? We talked about Brandon fought almost lining up with Toyo Lavello, but due to an off day in Reno, fought now is kind of a day off. Do you think that that still matters? Do you think that they would bring them in possibly for the next start? Or do you think we see Tommy Henry? I feel like those two are our leading candidates here to be called up from the Aces. Yeah, I think it's going to be Tommy
Starting point is 00:11:38 Henry. Nick Piccoro said that from what he's been told after he reported that Mad Bum had been DFA, Nick Piccora reported that Tommy Henry will make the next start for the Diamondbacks. And that's what we talked about yesterday as being the most likely outcome because, as you just said, Brandon Fott starts tonight for the Reno Aces. So he would be on three days rest to take Mad Bum's next start. So that didn't seem like a realistic possibility. They were aligned perfectly as of Madison Bumgoner's last start. But the fact that the Diamondbacks haven't had an off day since then and the Reno Aces
Starting point is 00:12:12 typically get Mondays off that that misaligned them and made that no longer a possibility. So Tommy Henry is going to get called up. to make Madison Bumgarner's next start, he's going to join this rotation from, at least that's what I'm expecting. I'm assuming that they're going to bring him up, not just for one start, but assuming he does okay, they're probably going to keep him in that role moving forward. And Brandon Fott is just going to continue to be down in Reno, Derek, and I'm sure, I think we're going to see him soon. I think it's going to happen soon, but there's still no clear path to Brandon Fott on the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Starting point is 00:12:47 this is it's it's a bit perplexing to me like because obviously the big the the big concern here the main focus is the major league team right and i feel like fought could skip his start tonight right get called up and just be on an extra day arrested that would that do something would that impact him negatively to have an extra day of rest and just skip tonight start and then start in in his in in in Madison bumgardner's next start or Or is that what would that do? Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, yeah, like if he just didn't make his start tonight and then they, I don't know if the A's with all due respect to the Aces. I love the Aces. I absolutely do. Um, but also, I don't need it.
Starting point is 00:13:33 They don't need a starting rotation. They don't need to start tonight. I want fought up here. Yeah, I don't, I don't think so. I mean, that would be kind of weird because if you, if you don't have him make a start, then you, then you're having him pitch on like, nine days rest or 10 days. Like that would be a long time to go without pitching.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I guess they could have them throw bullpens or something on the side. But I don't. I'm just thinking, you know, I'm, you're right though. You just you want Brandon fought and I understand. I just want Brandon fought, Jesse. I think they do too, right? But it's going to have to wait maybe a little bit down the road.
Starting point is 00:14:06 I'm just concerned that they might do the Corby and Carol thing and wait until way later in the season to bring up Brandon fought. and I don't like that. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't necessarily know that for sure. Brandon Fott is ready to go. He is ready to go right now. And the D-Backs have this kind of pecking order set up.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I remember when the debacks made some hard decisions during spring training when they sent down both Brandon Fott and Tommy Henry, Tori Lavell said something along the lines of it's not their turn yet. Or he alluded to that for at least one of those two guys. and I would assume it would be true for both of them. The devax have this kind of pecking order where Ryan Nelson and Dre Jameson were at the top because they came up last year. They were very successful.
Starting point is 00:14:55 And then Tommy Henry is next because he came up last year. Wasn't quite as successful, but he did show some positive signs at times. So he's next. And then Brandon fought is after him. Right. And I don't necessarily, I'm with you. I don't necessarily believe that that pecking order should be as strict as it is. But also Tommy Henry had a really good start.
Starting point is 00:15:15 his last time out in Reno, six innings, two runs, four hits, no walk, six strikeouts. His numbers overall this year are not as good as Brandon Fotz, but they're at least somewhat within striking distance of each other. And I think both pitchers do deserve an opportunity in the big leagues. As for whether when, when Brandon Fott gets up, I still think it's going to happen soon, Derek. I still, I don't know how it's going to happen, but I think it's going to happen soon. I like I am the Larry's idea right here. He says bring fought up, have him start tomorrow against the Padre so he dominates. And then that pushes Gallen to Saturday. And then Gallen starts on his bubblehead night. That's a win for everybody. That's a win all the way around. I'm doing the
Starting point is 00:15:56 home run call. That's a win. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm with you. Sometimes it makes sense. I know Tommy Henry, they're very high on. There is the possibility. I think somebody brought it up that fought comes up and replaces potentially maybe maybe dray jameson maybe we see jameson return to the bullpen yeah don't hate that there's a lot i just don't hate that anymore because i feel like jameson was so valuable for this team there that should they have to do that that's that that's something that might you know restore a bit of balance in order to the pen that doesn't that that that has felt out of place ever since he's left it another another thing that i will throw out there peter solomon was not good yesterday and has not been good in two of his three appearances since being called up
Starting point is 00:16:42 from Reno. Another outcome that I could see at some point is if maybe, maybe if Tommy Henry has some struggles in the rotation, they could move Tommy Henry into Peter Solomon's role. That wouldn't totally shock me. The debacks in spring training had conversations with Tommy Henry about being a long man out of the bullpen, conversations that at the time, they were not having with Drey Jameson or with Ryan Nelson or with Brandon Fought. They were more interested in having Tommy Henry in that role. I could see it. I don't know exactly how it'll materialize it.
Starting point is 00:17:17 It might take some time. I could maybe see a scenario where Tommy Henry gets moved into that long man role. And then Brandon Fought enters the rotation that way. Or yes, maybe Dre Jemison goes back into that role. And that opens the door for Brandon Fought. Either way, Derek, the D-Backs have a whole lot of rookie pitchers in the big leagues right now. Their rotation consists of Zach Gallin, Merrill Kelly, and three rookie starting pitchers in Dre Jameson, Ryan Nelson, and Tommy Henry.
Starting point is 00:17:45 And we've got Brandon fought right around the corner, right? Inject it into my baines, Jesse. I want that. We wanted that. We want that. That's the only way this team can succeed. This team cannot succeed based on having high price free agents like Madison Bumgartner as a part of it.
Starting point is 00:18:02 It's just it's not the kind of. It could have succeeded. Madison Bumgarner wasn't basically the worst pitcher in baseball over the last four or five months. It's a matter of committing so much money to somebody like that. And then again, if they aren't, if they aren't good, that's where so much of your focus is. That's where so much of your money is invested. And like what we've seen, it makes it so hard not to start him. Right. If Ryan Nelson or Dre Jameson was struggling like that, their asses would have been out of the rotation way longer than four. They wouldn't have made the rotation back in spring training.
Starting point is 00:18:38 If they pitched in spring training like Madbom did, they wouldn't have even made the starting rotation. And that's that's the part that sucks. That's the part where the incumbency and the money spent on the player doesn't allow for the team to treat him the same as they would other players, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's like, yeah, Mike Hazen at the end of last season talked about when he was
Starting point is 00:19:03 asked about Madbom's role. said he said word for word, incumbency matters, right, to some degree. And he talked about how. Yeah. Isn't that kind of the takeaway of this whole narrative, though? The Diamondbacks have lost. We've been saying it for months. It's crazy, but we've been saying it for months, months and months and months.
Starting point is 00:19:21 The Diamondbacks have been okay losing games and being a worst team than they otherwise could have been because of incumbency, because of allegiance to veterans. And it's been kind of a trend with the organization, Derek. the debacks have been a little bit too patient, I think, with some guys, right? A lot of them are relievers, I guess that I'm thinking of. They've had a number of relievers who did a little bit more damage than maybe other teams would have allowed them to do. And they were okay with that.
Starting point is 00:19:52 And I think you could make the same case for Madison Bumgarner. If Madison Bumgarner were on the Los Angeles Dodgers, what did they have taken, would the Dodgers have allowed Bumgarner to struggle to this degree? First of all, I don't think the Dodgers would have signed Madison Bumgarner because I think their talent evaluation is maybe to the point where they might have recognized that this was going to happen a few years ago. But I don't think a team like the Dodgers is ever that patient. It doesn't matter. Obviously, they have deeper pockets, but it doesn't matter how much money they're paying to someone. They're not going to let that hurt them.
Starting point is 00:20:26 And it's something that you'd like to see the debacks start to do a little bit more quickly. And I think they have a chance to do that maybe. As the talent in the organization improves, it puts you in position to be able to move on from other guys more quickly and be like, oh, we have a better guy, you know, waiting around the corner. And we don't, you know, we don't have to tolerate this for as long. So maybe this paves the way for the debacks to make faster decisions moving forward. I think the biggest thing here is it allows them now to play the best players that they have. And I feel that goes across the board. Like, yeah, you're going to have your guys that have bigger contracts.
Starting point is 00:21:06 You're going to have your Cotel Marte contract. You now have your Corbyn Carole contract, right? But the Diamondbacks can literally play. If somebody gets hot in the minors, there's nobody that's whose job is so safe that they might not call them up in order to play just because of, you know, performance, right? That was the one thing here when Madison and Bumgarner that was just kind of holding them back. And that's probably still maybe Zach, Allen, Christian Walker, a couple of other guys on the team aren't going to exactly, you know, immediately get pulled from their role just on, based on a few
Starting point is 00:21:38 bad performances. But it really does feel like Tori has the opportunity now to, uh, play the best players and make this team as good as possible with, with the talent they have. They have a lot of young talent that is, is being blocked in the minors and, uh, continues to be blocked, right? We've talked about how many left-handed hitting outfielders they have and such. So, uh, I mean, there's just, there's a lot of options for, for Tori Lovolo for him to turn to, but man, I'll tell you, this just feels like a fresh start, uh, for the diamond bags. If you haven't had a chance to already subscribe to the pH NXports YouTube channel while you're here, we appreciate you guys all being here. Uh, like that, like the thing
Starting point is 00:22:17 says there, smash that like button. Uh, it's, of course, it's, I like it's, I like it's, I like it a lot, but it's Jesse's favorite thing in the whole, well, right? You're on that side, Jesse. I don't know which side you're on anymore. But, By the way, we will be back with our normal episode today at 1 p.m. We have a lot of stuff about Major League Baseball to discuss and big news happening, including news on the Oakland A's, moving to Las Vegas, and more, which we will be discussing. But this is all Mad Bum, all bad bum all the time. And to be honest, we've had some good, like I said, we've had some good moments with Mad Bum.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Remember Mason Saunders? Remember the Mason Saunders days? Those were good times, Jesse. but he was in 2021 Madison bumgarner had a really good stretch like bumgarner was one of the best pitchers in baseball for about six weeks I think it was near like the beginning middle portion of that 2021 season outside of that it was it was all pretty bad Derek his his 22 season did get off to a good start he had a good ERA for a month or two last year but you know we we were kind of calling it out from a mile away. The peripherals were not good. He wasn't really striking batters out. He was allowing a lot of
Starting point is 00:23:30 home runs. It felt like things were going to even out over time. And sure enough, by the end of the season, Mad Bum had an ERA of almost five. So kind of figure that's the problem. That's defined the good. You know, you have to really, you have to really search for it. You know, and that's the problem with Mad Bum's time here. Yeah, you're absolutely right. There was a period of time in 20, 21 early in the season. The seven inning, no hitter, as Gabriel just pointed out. That's right.
Starting point is 00:24:00 He was four in O with a 0. with a 0.90 ERA early in 2021. Yeah. And like those are the stretches that I'm talking about when I say like we've had those stretches that were very encouraging. We've had those stretches that made you say, hey, look, this is, maybe this is,
Starting point is 00:24:22 maybe this is him getting back on track. It just didn't just didn't stay there. And unfortunately, this season, like I said earlier, we just haven't seen that at all this season. We didn't see it really in spring. We've just not seen anything this year. And you look back at how his season ended last year. They shut him down early, right? Because he was struggling at the end of last year. He had reached his innings max that Tori wanted him to hit. But I think that was also still based more on his performance rather than, you know, the fact that his arm was tired. You know, we've heard arm fatigue quite a bit. We even speculated that we might see him go on the injury list instead of going this route,
Starting point is 00:25:04 just due to the fact that they respected Bumgarner so much. Yet here we are today on 420, bald days. I still don't know if I'm high. I don't know if this is a joke. I don't know what's going on. But Madison Bumgarner has been designated for assignment. Yeah. So as far as how this process works,
Starting point is 00:25:22 being designated for assignment leaves the debacks a window where he is immediately removed from the 40-man roster, but it leaves the debacks a window to trade him to another team should they so choose, should they choose to do so. That is not going to happen. No team is going to trade for Madison Pumpkinner on this contract. Yeah. Yeah. Biggers crossed.
Starting point is 00:25:45 I don't think. Maybe the giants want to do something fun with like bringing them back just to just to tip his cap. I don't know. No, no team is going to place a waiver claim on him either. So yeah, what's going, there's going to be a period of time of a few days here. And then after that, Mad Bum will be officially released. And then he would be free to sign with another team. The debacks will owe him all of the money that we've talked about. But he would be free to sign with another team for the Major League minimum of $720,000.
Starting point is 00:26:20 or, I mean, maybe it would be a minor league deal. I don't know if a team would necessarily give him a big league deal at this point. But I will say right now, I don't think you've seen the last of Madison Bumgarner pitching in the majors. Unless he chooses, unless he makes that decision himself, that he is not interested in doing that, which is totally possible. We don't know how he feels about this. But it is likely even that if Mad Bum is out there and he wants to keep pitching,
Starting point is 00:26:49 some team is going to take a chance on one of the best World Series pitchers of all time. Some team is going to see this guy and recognize that only the Diamondbacks have had a chance to work with him since his best days in San Francisco. And maybe there are some things that they could be done to get him back to being a better pitcher. So it's possible that you see the comments are popping off. The Rockies are going to sign him. The Rockies are absolutely going to sign him. Let's go. Chris says maybe the.
Starting point is 00:27:19 D-backs are hoping someone celebrating 420 makes a call. I would trade Madison, Bumgarner at this point for two packs of OGs, a five pack of pre-rolls, maybe a little bit of concentrate, and like an eighth of some silver tier. But, and I know you don't know what most of that stuff is just. No idea. I'm just saying on 420, it would be a good haul. I feel like it would be a good haul. Gabriel said he's going to dominate the Savannah Bananas division.
Starting point is 00:27:46 I could see him on the party angles. he absolutely would make a good heel to the savanna bananas just all the time right uh anyway i don't know but we are very excited that this is happening because i think this just allows this team to grow right uh i think it's uh kind of i don't know if this is a weed metaphor or not but you know like when you have like dead weeds in your yard and you kind of like have to like scrape the kind you got scrape it down to like the dirt in order for you to like reseed and get the grass to grow, right? The Diamondbacks needed to kind of remove someone like Madbom from, from, you know, their rotation from this team. They needed to do something different because if not,
Starting point is 00:28:30 it didn't seem like this team was going to, you know, find the success that it potentially could with him as a part of it. Ben says the Dodgers will sign him and have a 3.9-0-E-R-A. Probably. Don't put that evil out there in the universe, though. I don't like that. I'm going to say this right now, Derek. The Dodgers will not sign Madison Bumgarner. They have entirely too much pitching depth in that organization to be interested in trying to fix who has been the worst pitcher in baseball to date in 2023. I don't think you're going to see that.
Starting point is 00:29:03 But yeah, could you see a team that doesn't have a whole lot going for him, you know, bring in Mad Bum on a minor league deal of some sort? I think it's possible. I don't think this is necessarily the end of Mad Bum's career if he's interested. interested in continuing to pitch. I mean, we saw last year how much Dallas Kikell got bounced around, right? These legendary pitchers, major league teams just have a hard time letting go, right? Like, all right, we can fix Dallas. We can't retire on them. We checked him out. We can make this work. And then, you know, last year you saw Kikell really struggle here and struggle in every organization that he was
Starting point is 00:29:41 with. So, you know, maybe that happens, but maybe Bumgarner is able to figure some things out. And we do see him on a baseball diamond someday soon. Well, you will see us later today right here on the PHNX Sports YouTube channel. You can follow us in the meantime. I'll probably be making jokes about Madison, Baumgartner. Jesse will probably be a bit more professional about it. But I am at Cap underscore Caveman with a K. Jesse is at Jesse and Friedman.
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