PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Diamondbacks get MAULED by Tarik Skubal and the Tigers offense

Episode Date: May 18, 2024

The Diamondbacks were seemingly not prepared for Tarik Skubal and the Tigers as they get blown out in game 1 of their series with Detroit. We have more on the Diamondbacks offense nearly being no hit, if Ryne Nelson’s spot in the starting rotation is secure after the loss, and Ketel Marte tying a career-high by extending his hitting streak to 16 games.An ALLCITY Network ProductionSUBSCRIBE to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/phnx_youtubeALL THINGS PHNX: http://linktr.ee/phnxsports PHNX Events: Get your tickets to PHNX events and takeovers here: https://gophnx.com/events/Factor Mealkits: Use code PHNXDBACKS50 to get 50% OFF your first Factor box and free wellness shots for life with any active subscription at https://factormeals.com/phnxdbacks50Desert Financial Credit Union: Open a free checking account online with Desert Financial Credit Union and get $200 in bonuses https://www.desertfinancial.com/200Gametime: Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code PHNX for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.Circle K:  Join Inner Circle for free by downloading the Circle K app today! Head to https://www.circlek.com/store-locator to find Circle Ks near you!OGeez!: OGeez! is not your average cannabis-infused gummy. Head over to https://www.ogeezbrands.com to find where you can purchase. Must be 21+. Enjoy responsibly. Four Peaks: Follow on social @fourpeaksbrew & @fourpeakspub! Must be 21+. Enjoy responsibly. Shady Rays: Exclusively for our listeners, Shady Rays is giving out their best deal of the season. Head to https://shadyrays.com and use code: PHNX for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people.When you shop through links in the description, we may earn affiliate commissions. Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome in to another edition of the PHNX Debaks podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Montia. And I don't know what to say. I might be speechless. I might just sit here for a full 45 minutes or at least until Jesse joins us, just staring off about the 13 to nothing blowout that we just saw the Arizona Diamondbacks suffer at the hands of the Detroit Tigers. of all teams. Again, and not to put any disrespect on the tiger's name, we knew Tariq Scoobel,

and this team was going to be a little difficult for the Diamondbacks to handle, but we didn't know the offense was going to be hanging up 13 runs on this team. And Damon Dogg, I'm kind of disgusted about this. Don't know about you. What are your thoughts here, pal? I can't believe it, but I can. I texted you and Jesse.

I think like the first thing that popped in my head is this run differential is cooked now we can stop pretending that this team is better than they are. They're fraudulent run differential as a wrap. Yeah. Like I'm so happy to stop doing that.

Now we're like a basically like an even run differential on the season which pretty much explains the season really like such a hot and cold team. We don't know which team we're getting depending on the day. So it's pretty indicative. of the current season, I'd say. This might be the worst loss of the season and might be the worst loss in the last two years. But of course, what a great night for this show to be brought to you by our friends at OG's

brands because OGs, shout out to OGs brands. We need them tonight. We need you tonight more OGs than we possibly ever needed you. Head on over to OGsBrands.com to see their full lineup, including their two newest gummies, the OGs naturals and the big OGs, which I will be doubling down on on a night like this. You can also find out where you can purchase their wonderful products. Yes, the Diamondbacks lose 13 nothing, Damon. And like I said, this might be the worst loss of the year. Even if it's not their worst loss, I think over the last couple of seasons, I think this one is devastating just

based on the fact that the Diamondbacks, I don't know if you want to call it a role, but the Diamondbacks were kind of finding some success. They, you know, found a way to win a lot of games against the Cincinnati Reds. And this Tigers team was definitely not the offensive threat based on their team OPS and some of the stats we talked about on our pregame show that you thought was going to be able to put up 13 runs on the Arizona Diamondbacks, a taste of their own medicine in regards to what they've done to a few teams this season. Yeah.

I mean, it's baseball, right? So anything can happen in any given game. It doesn't really matter what your team stats are. Like the worst team could do this to the best team, I guess, technically. But hopefully, it's just like you don't want to lose the series to the Tigers. So that's really what it comes down to, right? Yeah. Just don't you got to win these next couple games.

Like you can't be losing series to teams like this. It's not, that's not how you make the playoffs. So, yeah, it'll, I mean, how mad I am about tonight will be impacted by future. performances if that makes sure how like can they can they rebound tomorrow it is just one game right but this one feels a little devastating and and again the diamondbacks have put it on teams and then lost the next day so it's not like it's out of the question this is just one of those situations where uh you know of course tarick scubal who i refuse to i don't want to pronounce his name correctly because it's taric and that's derrick and i can't believe that a man that spells his name

T-A-R-I-K, it sounds like my name. Like our names could get confused in a drive-thru. Like if I'm, that they're like asking for a name for the order. How funny would it be if like Starbucks wrote down Terek for you one of these days? I'd be furious. After what he did to the Diamondbacks today, that would be a downright insult because he was outstanding.

David, he almost no hit the Diamondbacks. We were texting each other about a potential no-hitter. We won't say who, but one of the three of us might have been excited about considering the way things were going of a no hitter happening. And it definitely wasn't the two people on the show right now. So you can do the math yourself on who that was.

Deductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning definitely will let you figure that one out. But you got to tip your cap to what Scoobel was able to do against the Diamondbacks tonight because it was he was putting it down. And he did it without, you know, striking a lot of guys out. Yeah. And all the more impressive, he did it. while being from Kingman, Arizona.

He made it out of the mud. Yeah, that is Kingman. Yeah. It's pretty impressive when you think about it. A lot of people make it out of Kingman, Damon. Not a lot of people make it out. You're not Cy Young candidates. No, no.

This man might start. He might start the All-Star team for the AL. That'd be crazy. His ERA is now 1.80. So impressive for somebody, for any person, let alone someone from King's. in Arizona, right? But yeah, we need to find a way to get him in a Diamondbacks uniform. But he's just, he's nasty.

He's just nasty. We'll bring him all home. We brought Bud home. We'll bring them all home eventually. That's the way it works. But Ryan Nelson, Ryan Nelson's a different story. And I know we'll probably talk about him a little bit more later when Jesse joins the show. But his performance was far, far from the best tonight.

And the tiger's batterers really exploited his pitches tonight. night, it was the worst outing of Ryan Nelson's career. And again, not a great time for it considering the Diamondbacks don't really have a lot of options on where they could go if they decided to turn to someone else and not, you know, and not go with Nelson. That was a pretty rough outing. I didn't even, honestly, like, once it started getting out of hand, I figured that they pulled him out.

I didn't realize he gave up eight runs. Yeah. I thought he gave up like six. Yeah, four innings pitched, 11 hits, eight runs. He walked one, struck out four. That's pretty shameful. It was a bad night. That stinks real bad.

I mean, you can't, the sooner that we can start getting some starting pitching back, that healthy, the better. That's, that's really what needs to be said about that. Erod, hopefully you're here soon. It's, it's a machine, right? And I mean, we never got to see all of the parts pulled out of the box and put together so that we ever really saw this machine run right. But you can definitely tell just like a machine with a missing part,

the stress it puts on the other parts, you start to see it fail, right? And really at this point, what we've seen is guys that can absolutely contribute to this team in a way, but are not really candidates in the long term to be starting pitchers, at least for the time being at a major league level, right? Yeah, no doubt. these guys have been asked to come up kind of early in their career.

I'm not going to say that about Ryan Nelson, but I mean, you know, in some cases their development is going to continue at a major league level, even beyond the minors. We're just seeing the Diamondbacks, you know, fall short and now,

you know, the longer they try to keep, you know, guys like Slade and, and Ryan Nelson in the lineup, the longer or the harder it's going to be for them to, to continue to find success. the more information that's available about these guys,

the more they pitch, the more they are going to be exposed, especially on the night where Ryan Nelson doesn't have his best stuff, it makes it really difficult for him considering how much he relies on that fastball. And that's fair. And I think with Ryan Nelson, that's fair,

I just wanted to point out that while Slade wasn't very good in his last game, I don't think that he belongs in that same category, I guess, because in general, I feel like his outings have been pretty solid. Like if you look at... He's incredible early, right?

I mean, that's hard to do. That it's not something to sincerely, like it almost seems like I'm joking about it all the time. But what he did when we talk about him doing something that hasn't been done in 50 years, that's hard to do because going out there against any major league lineup and being perfect through two innings for five consecutive starts really does show promise. And I feel like it shows promise beyond just his potential as a great reliever for this team. Right. It was, it was honestly.

You can tell there's something there to build on as a starting pitcher, right? I don't know if I feel the same way about Ryan Nelson. Yeah, I mean, at what point that we say that we've had enough of the Ryan Nelson's starting experience? Well, Tori did tweet or Jesse, I shouldn't say. Tori doesn't tweet. He never tweets. Jesse Friedman, our very own one and only, tweeted out that Tori Lovalho said that Ryan Nelson will make his start in regards to his next start. And he said, quote, we haven't even talked about that.

And I'm guessing in regards to that is that they're not even acknowledging or they're not even thinking about pulling Ryan Nelson out of the starting rotation. Now, it's understandable because Tori is not the kind of guy that immediately turns away from a guy after having a bad performance. If anything, you could be criticized for going too far, you know, going to the other way. I'm not sure he's ever done that. Yeah. Right. He gives guys maybe too many opportunities before deciding to pull the plug on on guys that the fans and, you know, people like us have already maybe given up on, right?

But at the same time, what options do they have, right? They could turn to Blake Wollstone or some of the guys in the minor leagues, but it's not really like right now this team has a lot of options in regards to who they could really replace Ryan Nelson with that would be, you know, able to handle that that workload of being starring pitcher for them on a major league level. Yeah, that was actually who Jacob texted me about was Blake Walsston. And I was like, yeah, I mean, I remember an. in his last game that he pitched.

He had some swing and miss stuff. He shoved. He wasn't, I mean, he, I think he gave up a cup, a run or two maybe, but he did.

But he was a problem. Yeah, but he, he looked pretty good doing it. Like, it wasn't like a, it didn't look like a fluky performance. Like he,

like he was getting rocked or something. Like, I thought I saw something there. So that's a direction that they could go in. Um, but yeah, there's not much in the way in terms of like ready to other, I mean,

they are the ready to go starting pitching. We have Merrill Kelly and Eduardo Rodriguez out right now. Like Ryan Nelson, Slade Chaconi, like those are the guys that were supposed to take over for injuries. So or if people were, someone was bad, I guess, out of those five that we had a lot of confidence in. But I don't know. I mean, that's there's not much more in terms of depth. Like Christian Mayne, I have a lot of hope for it, but he's really young. Like I don't think that he's ready yet.

There's not really anyone else. How desperate you want to start getting, right? And I don't know if, you know, now is the time to really start doing that, right? Like, because again, these guys might not have the success at a major league level. And then you're just putting yourself potentially in a worse spot. I don't really know what the answer is, right? I think that right now the diamondbacks feel like they're close enough to Eduardo Rodriguez returning that they are comfortable with Ryan Nelson making his next start and maybe potentially

one more start beyond that. However, hopefully Erod will be back soon. It just becomes then, who is the odd man out? Is it Slade or does it become Ryan at that point? It really is feeling like I'm leaning a bit more towards Ryan Nelson being the odd man out, but it depends on the usage and what the organization decides to do, if it's a matter of sending them back down to Reno, or if it's a matter of pivoting and potentially using one of those two guys in the bullpen. As we've said, like slade has electric stuff that you think can really be something of a weapon out of the bullpen but in regards to who they have to rely on while they wait for merrill kelly to return from injury that's a that remains to be seen what the diamondbacks are going to do there of course we do have the bullpen to talk about a little bit bowman continues to be i guess unreliable he went out there gave up a lot two innings he gave up six hits, five earn runs, one walk, three strikeouts. The game was kind of gone after the eight earned allowed by Ryan Nelson, but Bowman didn't really do a good job of keeping the team in it.

Meanwhile, Logan Allen did. He gave them three solid innings of no-hit baseball, struck out four. And again, Logan Allen is a great long man to put into these situations, and he tends to be able to support it. I mean, he tends to be able to go out there and give you a, decent amount of length while limiting the damage and allowing, you know, the team to remain competitive if this was a closer game. This was not a close game. You know, not only could we talk here about the Diamondbacks and, you know, their side of, you know, the offense and on the runs they allowed, the runs Ryan Nelson allowed. But, you know, at the dish, this team did nothing of significance tonight. The only bright spot would be Cattel Marte extending his hitting

streak, but let's take a look before we talk about that at the count presented by our friends at Desert Financial Credit Union. What a lopsided affair. This couldn't be a more one-sided game. Diamondbacks lose 13 to 0. What was that? I just said fun. Oh, yeah. Great times. Great ones, Damon. I'm having it really, I really wanted to do this show. I was looking forward to talking about these numbers fucking right here. right now. 17 hits, 17 hits to the Diamondbacks three hits that easily could have been zero hits. I don't even know why I needed to do that, but it just felt necessary because it really

did feel like they were going to get no hit in this game. The Tigers were 8 for 17 with runners in scoring position. It's insane. Eight, eight for 17. I don't even know what that's like. I don't know what that's like. Meanwhile, Diamondbacks, 0 for 7. I don't even know how they got 7 scoring up.

opportunities with runners in scoring position. It's wild. Meanwhile, the tigers struck out 11 times and the diamond backs only struck out nine. So there's a win for you if you want to take a moral victory away from this. Hard hit percentage. Again, not a lot of hard hit balls in this one. The tigers just kind of singled and doubled the diamond backs to death. 31.8% for the hard hit percentage for the tigers and 26.5% for the diamond backs.

they weren't I mean they barely hit the ball so maybe one out of those three I don't even know how 26.5% oh I guess some of them could be lineouts and stuff but uh it's just gross this is a gross game that I never want to really talk about ever again and I hope we don't have to uh no home runs hit uh in this one by the Arizona Diamondbacks or uh the Tigers so there that explains your hard hit percentage. I would like to know, I would love to know the amount of times that a team has scored 13 runs and not hit a home run in MLB history. I mean, actually, I don't feel like that's that uncommon because I almost feel in those games where it's like this, they, they do, it's like the loading the bases, and I've heard a pitcher say this on more than one occasion.

Like I've heard multiple pitchers in the Diamondbacks organization say they would much rather give up a grand slam, then be single to death. Then to have that never-ending death carousel of guys on base just going around on you, one run, two runs, there's two more, there's four runs, there's three runs, there's two more. Like, that is demoralizing where at least the home run cleans the slate for you, right? You're got nobody on base. You could kind of start over mentally it allows you to reset yourself, right? and I don't think that when what teams do what they did to the Diamondbacks tonight,

I think that, you know, you see what you see. The Diamondbacks allowed runs in, what was this? One, two, three, four, five consecutive innings. Damon, five consecutive innings, three innings with multiple runs allowed, one in the second inning, three in the third, one in the fourth, six in the fifth, two in the six. This was ugly. Is that bad?

It's bad. No, this was bad. This was really bad, friend. But we did have to give the king snake to someone. I was going to give it to our pal Tim for hanging in there and watching this whole game and then joining us on the show afterwards. I was going to give it to any fans that stayed in the stadium until the end of the ninth inning. I actually made one.

You're the real MVPs. I actually made one for the fans too. Oh, did you? Yeah, we can throw it up there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, gross. Fans had stayed. You're not gross.

The game was gross. But you're an MVP. You're our MVP. But of course, the real King Snake here is Cotel Marte because our man got himself a hit. It might have been a meaningless hit. It might have been in garbage time. But I don't care because Cotel Marte ties a career high that he set in 2022. Now currently having a 16 game hitting streak.

The man is just a beast, Damon. He's just so much fun to watch. He's hilarious. He's unintentionally hilarious. He is a great baseball. player and I just I enjoy watching Cotel play baseball so much in fact Marte has recorded hitting streaks uh this is per the Diamondbacks of 10 plus games or more so a hitting streak of 10 games or more 11 times in his career so you want to talk about a guy that gets dialed in

that's wild period of time it's Cotel uh he finds a way he finds away that's like Kevin Newman having six walkoffs it's like there's got to be something to that that's not like a coincidence like Kevin Newman's a savage you want him got it in his DNA on the line yeah it's the same thing with Catelle like he's just that's just who he is he's a really good hitter really good and again he's the only good one some he's a great he's a great teammate like you see the interactions he has with his teammates you see the way he is uh the way is in the clubhouse is amazing I mean there's a different aura when Catell walks in like players are always kind of coming and going in and all of that.

And when he walks in, I think, I think all the players kind of love Kutel. And he's always wearing something incredible when he walks in. So everybody's got to, like, give him the fit check and see what he's rocking. But man, I'm just glad this guy is an Arizona Diamondback. And again, bright spot on a very, very dark night, if you will. But if you want me to make things better, I'm not going to. Because now I'm going to tell you that the Reno Aces, Also lost by double digits tonight and got blanked.

The ACE is lost by a score of 14 to nothing. So if you want more bad news, here, let me pile it on. Organization in shambles. Oh, man, it's bleak. It's bleak. There's nothing on the horizon right now. I don't even know what I have to wake up for in the morning tomorrow, besides the fact that I like to read the morning news.

But, hey, you know, there will be a tomorrow. And luckily, Damon, as I've said before, there's no aggregate scoring. in major league baseball. So none of these runs are going to count tomorrow. And the Diamondbacks still have a chance to come out. We know they've been terrible in game ones of series, but they have a chance to come out tomorrow and even the series and perhaps take the thing home on Sunday.

Ernesto gives us a little bit more good news. Ernesto says Drew Jones, four for four tonight, two run, home run. We take those. My guy is, I'm telling you, they unplugged Drew Jones on April 17th, and they plugged them back. Oh, yeah. And ever since then, he has been operating at full functionality,

and it's great to see. It's great to see. Baseball is such a weird game like that, where literally all of a sudden someone, like no matter what direction, whether they go like Lordus did from being one of the best hitters on the team to struggling the way he did, to things like this,

where Drew Jones, honestly, people started questioning if the Diamondbacks really had a bust on their hands in Drew Jones. And now my man has had an incredible thing. 30 day run at least. And it might not be, you know, this might not be all he is either, right? There still might be some more growing pains ahead, but it's very encouraging versus what we were seeing when the season started for Jones. I mean, I, I haven't been tracking it too much. I know Jacob's like my minor league update guy. Like whenever I need a, uh, an update on any,

a scouting report on any minor league diamond back, he, I just go to Jacob. People panic. Yeah. I mean, I just, I'm not, I'm not all that high on Drew Jones. I, I haven't, I haven't really been, but I'm really glad to see that. I mean, it seems like he's not, he's not slumping like he was early in the season. He's, he's not just like a downright horrendous hitter. He was,

he was struggling. And now he's, now he's picking it up and showing some flashes, which is good to see. I would love to see that out of Corbyn right now because Corbyn continues to struggle. That was the worst at bat. Oh my God.

Oh, that last at bat was like, that just felt like, that was like the whole season in a nutshell. It felt like for Corbyn, Like I was I was just sitting there dejected at the end of it being like, why would you swing at that? Like he there was a good pitch to hit strike one and then pitcher dotted him up strike two. And then third strike you could the pitcher could have thrown that to Mars and he would have swung at it. Like there seems so lost at times right now.

Yeah. And you know, it's the frustration is building. You know, hopefully he can find a way out of it. You know, but again, it's it's getting to that. point you know you you you want to remain patient but it's you know it it's understandable for people to be worried about corbin right now and everything going on with him but when you look at everything going on with this entire team it's understandable for you to be you know concerned about a lot of things lordis gareil junior has a 640 ops currently gino swore is hitting 216 with a 613 ops uh yeah

there's a lot of things not good gabby moreno 236 with a 6801 ops a lot of A lot of pieces right now are not functioning properly. But piece of Yoshi's right. At least James Outman got optioned. We still won today. Even when we lose, we win, baby. Even when we lose, we win. They ain't like us.

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I'll introduce them later. Puerto Rico and you blew it. You fucking blew it. God damn it, Jesse. Anyway, all right. Well, that is supposed to be your guys's thing. I don't really.

I thought it was our thing. I thought it was our, like we really connected over that. That's my tiny island. And it just, it's like it's become his second home. And all of a stud, just because the Diamondbacks lose 13 to nothing,

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Jesse, uh, what a bad night. What a bad night. Yeah, it, uh, it, it wasn't, wasn't great, Derek. Uh, they're 13 to nothing. I guess we can stop having conversations about how the Diamondbacks run differential is so incredibly good. Those days are over. Yeah, those days are kind of over. They go from plus 15 to plus two with this game today.

So, yeah, I mean, Terrick Scouble was just so good. And we warned everyone, Derek, in our show at 1 p.m. About how good Terrick Scuba is, I think he's probably the front runner for the AL-Sai Young Award. and you could see why tonight. Well, and it's not just the fact that he's really good. It was that when you look at his strengths, at least the way that his numbers lined up, it especially matched up well against the Diamondbacks

based on what we have discussed as been their struggles offensively so far this season. Yeah, the Diamondbacks in particular have struggled against Velocity this year. They are, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they're definitely in the bottom half the league. the bottom third or even worse than that in terms of hitting higher velocity. And Terrick Scuba has that.

I mean, he normally averages 96.4 with his four seamer today. It was up from that. If I can find it here, I think it was over 97 in this game. 97.7 was his average four seam fastball tonight. So his stuff was up across the board. I wonder if there was maybe a bit of adrenaline for him. He definitely had a crowd of friends and fans. family in the ballpark. There were some loud cheaters pregame when his, when his name was announced,

of course, being a Kingman, Arizona native. So this is a big, a big day for Terrick Scouble. And just as a baseball fan in general, I have to admit that I very much enjoy watching Derek Scoobble do his thing. He's one of the best in the game right now. Fun fact, Jesse, that wasn't just his family. That was the entire population of the town of Kingman. And yeah, well, there were 25,000 in attendance tonight. So I think the whole, I think the whole city of Kingman could have been here and, uh, and, you know, not not filled the stadium. So it makes sense.

Um, of course, uh, we know what Scoobel did. And it's really no surprise. I think the more surprising part is the Diamondbacks having 13 runs put up against them by a team that really has not been very good, not all year offensively, but especially. lately they have been not very good as far as, you know, at the plate as a baseball team. Yet they were able to do what they did tonight, putting up 17 hits and 13 runs. Yeah, I mean, the Tigers in their previous game on Wednesday, I believe was a 2-0 lost, the Miami Marlins. And then the day before that, they lost to the Marlins, I believe, 1 to nothing in 10 innings. So you're talking about a Detroit Tigers offense that came in with a 19-inning scoreless streak.

against one of the worst teams in baseball in the Miami Marlins. And that's baseball for you, Derek, right? That team comes in here and just absolutely hummles. Diamondbacks put up 11 runs within five innings. Of course, they get to 13 by the end of the game. And there were some, to be fair, I think there were some balls that just kind of found the outfield grass, a lot of well-placed hits by the Tigers. I don't know if this was like the truest 17-hit night performance

that I've ever seen. But 17 hits, 17 hits. And I'm not going to try my way out of this one. The divax just got, the devx just got destroyed tonight. That's just the reality. I appreciate you admitting that,

even with staying as professional as you need to. But of course, we have more from Ryan Nelson himself on his outing and how badly things went tonight. Here is what Ryan had to say. I felt like I was executing pitches. and sometimes it just happens when ball finds holes and you've got to be able to pitch around it

and stuff like that happens. So I think that it just kind of started to snowball a little bit. As you said, as you started to snowball, by the time you got to the fourth inning, was a little harder to stay in focus and concentration? No, I don't think focus and concentration was it. I think it was just a little bit of some, unfortunate hits and then some other hits followed after those. How did the cutters been

important pitch this year? How did that feel today? It felt good. I think that a couple of those hits to the lefties were in on their hands and sometimes the ball just finds holes. Do you feel like they were able to sit on the fastball cutter a little bit? What do you kind of contribute getting hits on those pitches to? could be that i think that there was some room to throw some more curveballs in there and kind of slow them down but i i haven't looked at it fully i don't have to go back and look how about the change felt good for the most part today there was a couple of pitches that i really liked and i think i gave up another soft hit on a change up as well off the plate so yeah i just felt like

Nothing really went my way wrong. Nothing really went my way tonight. The balls found some holes. Like, there was a lot of things there said that, I mean, he felt like he had command and he felt like everything was going good for him. I just, I don't know, Jesse. I don't know if I'm buying it there. Do you agree?

Like, I guess we talked earlier about the hard hit percentage for the Tigers, and it was 31%. So it's not like there were a lot of hard hit balls tonight. So, I mean, there is data to back up what he's saying as far as balls just kind of finding holes. But finding holes this many times in a baseball game seems like really, really bad luck. Yeah, yeah, that's all very fair. I have a graphic here that we can take a look at, which is basically the location of all of the pitches that turned into hits for Ryan Nelson. and to be fair here, Derek, a lot of these pitches are right on the edge of the strike zone.

I was a little skeptical as well when I heard what Ryan was saying here. But a lot of these pitches were genuinely fairly well located. If you look at the exit velocities on these, a lot of them were pretty low. Only four of the 11 hits that Ryan Nelson gave up in this game were 95 or higher off the bat. A lot of them were in the 70s, 80s. I think there's one in the 50s. So there was some tough luck here. Like I think that's that's totally fair and totally real.

But there was maybe at least a bit of a disconnect between what Ryan said here, where he seemed to think that he actually executed pitches pretty well by and large. Whereas Tori Lavello, it didn't say the Ryan pitched terribly by any means, but did seem to think that Ryan just didn't execute his pitches very well, just left too many pitches in the middle of the zone and got beat for that reason. So, yeah, it wasn't a good start by Ryan Nelson, by any means. There's no way around that. But I was pretty struck.

Like, his average exit Velo in the game as a whole was 85.5, which is one of the lowest of the year by any D-BAC starting pitcher. Like, that's actually a pretty good number. So is this a tip of the cap to the Tigers tonight for doing what they did? Is this just more bad luck for this team? How would you view this? Yeah, I guess it's a, I guess it's a combination of both. Tori was, you know, definitely tipping his cap to the, to the Tigers offense. And based on the location of those pitches, I think you have to tip your cap in some ways.

Like a lot of those, as I said, were genuinely pretty, pretty well located. But there's also something to be said for, you know, as a pitcher, you're not just looking to work the edges. You're looking to keep hitters off balance to make them uncomfortable. And I don't know if Ryan Nelson really accomplished that tonight. He did get, I think it was eight whiffs on his four seamer. He was getting some swing and miss. They get 11 whiffs total, which isn't a terrible number for him. There were a decent number of called strikes as well.

But Tigers hitters just felt to me like they were pretty comfortable throughout the game. And I think that goes back to Ryan still kind of trying to refine the arsenal a little bit, trying to find reliable secondary pitches to work with off the fastball, didn't really feel like he had that working tonight. I've said it before, but I've said, I'll say it again, Jesse. And I'll say it lots of times. This organization should have never parted ways with Tommy Fam. Is Tommy Fam toughened everybody up?

And Ryan Nelson needs to go out there and he needs to throw some high heat and he needs to get some guys uncomfortable and he needs to do some of those things. Because I think he's just too nice. He's too nice. Him and Tommy Henry, the two of them. They're just too nice of guys. And sometimes you can't be nice.

as a starting pitcher. You have to have that hatred in your heart for that man with the bat in his hand. You know what I mean? And like there was a time where Randy Johnson used to roam that clubhouse. And that man knew to bring his hatred not just for the batter, but for everybody. He just brought his hatred for everybody on the day he pitched. And we need more of that. But of course, you know, this team's too nice for that. And that's why we need Tommy fan back. Of course, Tori did have more on tonight's loss and Terrick Scouble, really doing an excellent job of handling the Diamondbacks tonight. Here's what Tori had to say.

That was a painful, painful game. And, you know, we absorbed a lot. We took on a lot. But the one good thing about today is it's over. And we have to turn the page and we get a new day. We get a new crack out tomorrow. The Tigers had a really good offensive approach. They were staying on the baseball.

They were using the all-field approach. You could tell that it was clearly a game plan that they had with some of their contact early in the game. Then they just started to slug. And then they just got really good rhythm. We couldn't stop that tide. Now they had trouble locating some pitches at times. And there were some key at-bats where I felt like it lingered. And then they got some extension on some pitches.

And we just, we didn't execute today on the amount. It's not like the type. Tigers got after us and we didn't execute. So it's a combination of a lot of things. Good offensive team, lack of execution, and it equaled what we saw tonight. So we'll get after tomorrow. That's how I'm going to focus and get three night.

We'll just see from school tonight, good. A lot of Velo, a lot of location, a lot of mixture. It's about as good as we've seen today. this year. That was, that was real impressive. Man, was impressive against the Diamondbacks. And yeah, Tori, I mean, Tori's right. Like, Tori is going to try to convince this team at this point just to flush this loss and move on. But I don't, I don't know, Jesse. I think that the Diamondbacks, I think they need to have a slap in the face like this. I need to let this one sting. Right now, there's a lot of things you could attribute their struggles to.

but Corbyn Carroll hitting 188 with a 526 OPS, Lordus Correel hitting 225 with a 640 OPS, Gabby Moreno 236 with a 681 OPS. These are the guys that were supposed to be leading the way this season. They are healthy. They are in the lineup. They're starting every day, but they are just not contributing consistently to this offense,

and it can't just be completely held up by Catele-Marte on his own. hearing you say those numbers i mean i'm still in awe of what we talked about on the show yesterday with how the debacks at least as of yesterday ranked fourth in all of baseball and run scored like how does that work like how is that math problem possible where lordis is really not hit at all since the first couple weeks of the season uh eohenio swars really hasn't gotten going at all corbin carroll of course um his ops has gone down considerably in the last couple of weeks even you know, despite the struggles that he was, he was having before that. Um, so yeah, I mean, it, it is like, like on, on days like this where it,

almost everyone in the lineup takes an offer and you look at the numbers, it's like, how does this work again? Like, how is this baseball team like kind of staying afloat and, you know, one game out of the wild card at this point? Like, they're, they're not buried in the standings by any means. Um, but yeah, D-backs are, are, they're not fully healthy. that's certainly been a narrative that we've revisited time and time again. But offensively, they have a lot of their key contributors,

and a lot of them just really haven't gotten going yet. That's what I mean. As much as we want to, at times, I think, put the worry aside and say reinforcements are on the way, as I've said, countless number of times. Those reinforcements are Geraldo Pardomo and Alec Thomas. They're not in the middle-of-the-order hitters. They're not 950 OPS guys, right? They're not guys that are going to come in and save the day and really be the consistent hitters.

Now, what I'll say about Pardomo is that his energy is something you can't quantify, right? You know, when you have a guy who you ask, what do you miss most about being out there playing baseball? And he has the audacity to tell you being down O2 in the count and working in full. Like, that's a different kind of psycho. right that man's a psycho about baseball that's a different level of love for playing the game knowing that when you're down oh two is when the real battle starts and now we're now we're playing now we're hit now we're playing baseball right like that's that's an incredible mindset to have as a competitor and i think that's what's missing right now from this team corral araldo perdomo hopes

to be down oh two right these other guys wish that they don't get down oh They hope they don't get down O2, you know? Raldo Pardomel was like, I hope a motherfucker does get me down O2, right? Like that's, it's just a different kind of thing. So like even though his stats might not fill the box, maybe again, like I joked about with Tommy fam, maybe that confidence, maybe having someone in the lineup that's just ready to compete like that could bring a different mindset to his teammates. Maybe it could help, you know, in ways that his batting average doesn't necessarily.

you know, show, but they need something right now. And the Diamondbacks definitely have a lot of areas right now where they're coming up short. I know we talked about your tweet about Ryan Nelson. Tori says that Ryan Nelson will make his next start. And it sounds like there was no doubt about that regardless of tonight's outcome. Does, I mean, is that more of confidence in Ryan Nelson and their belief in him? Or is that, Jesse, just a matter of options? Yeah, maybe maybe some of both.

Tommy Henry and Ryan Nelson are sort of aligned right now in terms of their schedule. Tommy Henry started tonight in Reno. The Reno Aces, I believe, lost 14 to nothing. But Tommy Henry wasn't, yeah, he wasn't quite so bad. He gave up four runs in five innings, which isn't a terrible outing in the Pacific Coast League. But, yeah, I mean, you look at Tommy Henry and Ryan Nelson and Slade Cicconi. those guys this season have made 18 starts for the Diamondbacks. That's 18 out of 45 games.

That's 40% of the Diamondbacks games this season have been started by one of those three guys. And I did the math. You combine their numbers this season. That's a 5.93 ERA between all three of those guys and that's 40% of your game. So that's not the way that this team was drawn up, right? If you've got Erod and you've got Merrill Kelly, then you don't actually need either of those guys to fill roles in your starting rotation or any of those guys to fill roles in your starting rotation with the injuries of the debacks have had. That, of course, has not been the case. They've had to lean on those guys quite a bit.

Well, Jesse, is this a matter of now maybe Ryan Nelson might not be the guy that sticks around once starters do become expendable? Once Erod returns, does Slade maybe stick, stay in that spot instead of Ryan? I felt like we were confident about that. But, I mean, performance should dictate who stays in the starting rotation, especially considering what the Diamondbacks right now are in need of. It's a good question because, I mean, I think we know that once you have both Merrill and Erod back, that Slade and Ryan would be the odd guys out. Sure, there's no doubt about that, right.

Yeah. Yeah, but it's not like they're going to both be reinstated from the IL on the exact same day. There's probably appears that we're at least more likely to get Erod back sooner than Merrill, although that's not really, that's a little bit more speculative than anything at this point. But yeah, you're going to get one back before the other, almost certainly. So you're going to have to make a decision about whom of Slade, who have slayed or Ryan, you would move on from. And I don't really know the answer to that question.

I don't really have a great feel for that. Neither of those guys are pitching all that well right now. I guess Slade in the first few innings has been so incredible that maybe you feel better about kind of keep going with him and then have a quicker leash than the debacks have had so far. Just combine them into one, right? Combine them into one. Yeah, that's another. Slade goes out there for two, ride goes out there for two.

Call it a day. Bring in the bullfead from there. I don't know. They have a lot to figure out. And tonight did not help. I'm sure did not help. Tori did not help the front office make any decisions that they have to bake in regards to this. And right now, it very much sounds like they're sticking with Ryan Nelson.

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Well, Jesse, on a night like this, I'm definitely going to lie. I'm going to lie about what I do maybe for a living when people ask me if I do, in fact, cover this team that lost 13 and nothing to the Tigers. But we know. The numbers, they don't lie. So what do you have for tonight's number coming from this game? Tonight's number is 29, which is the number of base hits that Ryan Nelson has allowed going back to the second inning of his start on May 5th. That, Derek, is a period of 12 and 2 thirds innings.

Oh, your mic got muted there, Jesse. There you go. You're back. All right. Now I'm back. I don't know what you, what you. you heard but yes 29 hits in 12 in a in a span of 12 and two thirds innings ryan nelson's last 12 and two thirds innings pitched that's a that's a pretty brutal number

that's absolutely brutal my that's not great that's not great i don't i don't talk about that number of ryan nelson or this night anymore ever again let's uh let's just flush this one and maybe ryan nelson's last three starts that's bad yeah it's 29 for 16 That's what hitters have gone against Ryan Nelson since the second inning of that start on May 5th. That is a 453 batting average. Oh, good Lord. Good Lord. It's not great.

What do we do? What do we do? Well, you could, the Diamondbacks could go sign Zach Rankie, right? I don't know if you saw the story from the Republic a couple of hours ago, but apparently Zach Granke was out at Salt River Fields, I believe, today. throwing, not necessarily because the debacks are interested in signing him, but just because the debacks were nice enough to allow him to get some work in, is he's considering sort of trying to return.

Mike Hazen is out there. He's watching him. He's chatting him up. Trust me. Oh, yeah, Jesse. I know I was booked to come work a golf event for this company. And I was smart enough to bring my golf bag, you know, just in case they needed an extra golfer.

Lo and behold, I made my way into a foursome with Justin Spears and my guy, Nick Robinson, and had the best time of my entire life. Now, yeah, Zach's just hanging around with his glove and a ball, like, just hanging out, just in case someone needs him. And guess who needs him? A team where one of their starting pitchers has just given up 29 hits in his last 12 at a third innings pitch, Jesse. that's a team that needs somebody

and Zach might be that guy I'm for it. He has to throw nothing but Ephus pitches though. I need an Ephus pitching machine. Oh man, I don't know what to think about that. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say real quick,

there are some quotes in there because some of the currently rehabbing VVAC's players face that Grange today, which is maybe the most fascinating part of the story. So Haraldi Pradov faced him. Jorge Barrosa faced him. I don't know if I saw Alex Thomas in there. I might not have.

But I know that Geraldo Perdomo was very complimentary of Zach Granky's change-up and was talking about how, you know, if this is how good the change-up looked in Granky's first live session, how good could it look once he really gets going? When he's ready? When he's ready! He was a little bit non-committal about, you know, like exactly why he, he is doing this.

He's really close to 3,000 career strikeouts, I believe. So if that was a factor, he didn't really get into specifics about that. And it's kind of unclear what the timeline is here, how soon he's trying to be signed by a major league team, if in fact that's something that he's trying to do. But yeah, man, I mean, Zach Rankies, he's kind of a freak, right? He's 40 years old. He's had an amazing major league career. But maybe he's not done just yet there.

We'll see. He's never done. He's never done. Get him back on a mound. I want to see it. Of course, we do have some super chats. I don't want to leave those out. Damon, what do we got?

Zach Zent, thank you so much, Zach. $5 super chat. Zach says, since the injury, mid-July, Corbyn's batting average for the four seam has gone down from greater than $350 to less than $200, down to the week, 7 out of 10. He never recovered and it was never fixed. I don't know. I mean, that seems to be the big.

like conspiracy theory, right, Jesse? Like everybody thinks there's, like I said, there's even like fantasy websites that are almost reporting it as if it's fact. And it's like, I don't know where they're getting this information from. I'm not saying that it's not a theory to be entertained, but I'm saying I've been present when the question has been asked multiple times. And the answer is always that Corbyn Carroll is fine, health-wise, that this is nothing to do. It's not to say that that injury or that situation,

didn't impact his mechanics in some way going forward, but that would be more of a change of mechanics and not just due to an injury. Like it's not swinging a bat differently because he's sore. It's due to a thought-out change to his mechanics. And even then I'm not really sure, you know, if that's necessarily the answer based on that particular incident. Yeah, I mean, we've addressed this so many times, right?

Like it's not like Corbyn Carroll and Tori Lavello have not been asked about the shoulder injury and the possibility of that contributing here. Excessively. Those questions have been asked over and over and over again. And the answer has always been a very clear no that Corbyn Carroll is fine. And I'm inclined to believe that because what would the Diamondbacks have to gain by running an injured Corbyn Carroll out there? Like, why would they want to do that? He's not even, I mean, he's obviously struggling to produce right.

now. So, you know, if you were heard of, I mean, of course you would, you would want to get that taken care of with a player as important as he is to your future. So I'm very much inclined to believe what they've said about the shoulder. As we've said in the past, though, I think there's, there's maybe a mental component to that situation where he thought that his season was over when it happened and it turned out it was actually okay. Corbin has said in the past that when he had that big surgery on his right shoulder, that it wasn't really possible to get back to the way it was before. When you have a surgery like that,

that's not really how that works. Like that surgery happens and it sort of changes your body forever. It doesn't mean you can't still be a really freaking good baseball player, but it is going to be different. It's going to feel different than it did before. So could there be some mental effects there? I think that's possible. But the injury part of it,

I just can't really. buy that. All right. Well, Nicholas Gruders, thank you for your super chat. He also talks about Corbin. He says, Corbyn, we have a problem. He and Baez are almost statistically identical offensively so far this year. This isn't a slump anymore. Also, Ryan, Reno, please. Yeah, I, like, I understand people's frustration and impatience, especially with the way that the Diamondbacks, you know, season has gone. but right now isn't necessarily the time just due to options, right? Like we need a, we definitely need to remember that the Diamondbacks are beggars and not choosers right now when it comes to having a competitive, you know, lineup out there every single night.

And the hope is, is that much like what I said earlier when we were talking about Drew Jones and how quickly Drew Jones's season went from looking like he was an absolute bust to now, over the last 30 days, him looking very much like the top prospect, everybody thought he could be, right? Things can change quickly in baseball, especially when you are as good at baseball as Corbyn Carroll is. But this slump is becoming something that I agree that people should be worried about. I just don't think it's, I think it's not just Corbyn, right? I think that when you look at multiple players on this team, there's issues. I guess maybe one idea that we, we haven't really entertained is at what point do you start blaming the coaching staff or the

hitting coach for, you know, what's going on with so many members of this team. Is there a point in that? I mean, we know that Joe Mather has been very good and that he's been a well-respected coach. And honestly, when he was with the Reds, that hitting staff was able to, you know, turn that Reds team into an absolute group of monsters, right? So I understand that Mather has been good right but I mean there does come a point where a team is you know so bad all around offensively that you have to start wondering when you know a coach is going to get blamed especially a coach who's in charge of of the offense yeah I mean it goes back though to the to the debacks still being I don't know what it is now maybe maybe now they're fifth in the league and

run scored instead of the fourth like you can't you you cannot fire a hitting coach when your team offensive stats are that way. And that still I fully acknowledge that there are a lot of key contributors to this debaq team that have not hit well this season. Absolutely. They've been helped a lot by by Jock Peterson coming in and doing what he's done. Oh, he's been doing. He's a veteran player and been around for a long time.

And Christian Walker, you feel kind of has a pretty good thing of his own going at this point. But, yeah, pointing the finger at Joe Mather at this point, And I just don't really see that happening. And I don't really think it makes sense. All right. Well, we can take a look at the probable pitchers for the rest of the series because the Diamondbacks do have their big pitchers going in this series for the final two games. Zach Gallin tomorrow and then Jordan Montgomery and the finale on Sunday.

They face some pretty good starting pitching from the Tigers in Jack Flaherty and Matt Manning. They do. Yeah. I mean, Matt Manning has been up and down a couple times, I believe, from the miners. But he still has a totally respectable 437 ERA. He'll pitch in that Sunday game. And then, yeah, Jack Flaherty going tomorrow against Zach Gallen. And what appears to be a pretty interesting pitcher's duel,

Gowan has obviously been really good for the debacks this year with the 286 ERA. And as we discussed in the afternoon show, Jack Flaherty's been a whole lot better than his 3.88 ERA would suggest. his peripherals are some of the best in the league. Actually pretty similar to Terrick Scoobel. Their strikeout and walk numbers are both just outstanding coming into this season. So coming into this series. So D-Vax, they're going to have their hands full again tomorrow night with Flaherty on the mound. Well, let's hope that that game goes better than tonight's game because it has to.

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But tonight it just wasn't fun. It just wasn't fun.