PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Give them their plaques

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

On this episode, Derek returns and joins Jesse to discuss David Ortiz being elected a first ballot Hall of Fame inductee and the hypocrisy surrounding Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling not making it in on their final ballot. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to another edition of the PHNX D-Backs podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Montia. Of course, I am back and I am known as your mayor of PHNX. This show, of course, is brought to you by the Drafking Sportsbook app, America's number one sportsbook app. Don't forget to hit that like, subscribe, wherever you get your podcast and leave a five-star review. You know, Jesse, of course. My vice mayor is a five-star man.

And that is who I'm introducing now, who's been holding it down for me while I was out with the stomach flu and COVID and everything else apparently that has afflicted me when I try to leave town for a fun weekend. It's the thunderstick, Jesse Fried. Derek, your voice sounds like 80% of you. Like it's mostly there. It's not, we're not quite at full mayoral status right now. I'm coming back online. It's taken some time to load. I definitely had quite the weekend in Washington, D.C. And let me tell you, I do not recommend getting any of this stuff. I definitely don't recommend the stomach flu.

That was especially bad. But I do recommend if you're in Washington, D.C., going to do some sightseeing because I did enjoy that, at least, in the frigid temperatures and everything else. But you know what? I'm back. You're back. We're here, Jesse.

And of course, we have actual news to talk about a lot of it. So much that we're having a hard time fitting it into the show. And let's start off with Brandon Buckingham's comment about the baseball writers association should be ashamed and i don't disagree with him i don't disagree with him but we will get to that shortly of course the big news right now is that for the first time since the owner's lockout started on december 2nd the players association and melb held bargaining sessions on back to back days jesse they did imagine that back to back to yeah they put in a whole weeks of worth of work in one in back to back days it's kind of crazy um the one thing i'm noticing is there seems to now be a sense of

urgency. Things are proceeding. Apparently, the minor league players are getting their spring training assignments. So there will still be spring training baseball, even if there's no season, even if there's no agreement yet, it sounds like we will still have spring training baseball with minor league players, which is kind of wild to me. But as this progress kind of, or as we progress along this line, it seems to me, Jesse, like the players, association is slowly losing ground on the owners in this in this negotiation process well i mean we heard two numbers today that were uh not exactly close to each other and i think give a pretty fair indication of where the negotiations are at right uh this had to do with uh with pre arbitration

uh basically a pre arbitration bonus pool uh that players in their first few years before they hit arbitration just an opportunity for some of the best youngest players in the game I think it was the top 30 and they were shooting for in terms of war. And they basically set up a system where the top 30 in war would have an opportunity to earn money from this bonus pool. The players, Derek, wanted 105 million and the owners offered 10 million. 10 million. And I am no negotiating expert, but we're a little far apart on those negotiations. But to your point, yes, the two sides are meeting.

and they're meeting with consistency and in some sense of urgency, which is more than we've been able to say throughout this entire process. And let me ask you this, Jesse. Isn't it's kind of ridiculous for today's day and age where we have so many players making so much money? And yet here we are arguing over $105 million pool that's going to be shared amongst the top players in the game. game players mind you who bring value to your product right players that are going to be considered superstars because you're talking about the guys that are top 30 in war right i i don't know i mean i guess it's kind of wild to me at times to see teams throwing out a half a billion dollars in contracts

but then the owners are also squabbling over things like this 105 million dollar pool that seems pretty reasonable to me as far as to pay bonuses out to the top, top 30 players, right? Top 30 players are supposed to divide $10 million amongst them. The top 30 players already make so much damn money that you mean to tell me that like an extra 500,000 K or whatever is going to mean much to them. Well, well, this is, I mean, this is pre-arbitration. So these are players in their first few years.

So you're not talking about Max. the superstar jay right yeah that would be that would be very dumb but you're right i'm just saying it it does feel like they're squabbling over a pretty small amount of money in the grand scheme of things i think the reason they're doing that is because pre-arbitration players i mean that's where teams like the diamond backs teams like the raise your smaller market teams really capitalize on those years right that's where you can have really good players that you're paying like less than a million a year um and and i mean A hundred million might not sound like a whole lot. You split that up over 30 players.

You know, that's an average of around 3 million or so per guy that you're giving, that are, you know, it's being paid out in that pool, which compared to their current salary is a lot. I mean, their current salary right now, the minimum is right around 600K right now.

So adding three. $5,500 is worth that, right. Right. And so adding $3 million on to that is pretty significant. So I guess that's where the owners are coming from on this. but again i mean you what you said is right and yeah i kind of jumped on on the fact that yeah you're talking about uh younger players but again these are the future stars of of the league right and right right i don't see a reason why like like what you said they're they're not making very much money

they are going to make much much they are going to make money but baseball seems to be this game at times that is built on promising the payday later down the road and then at times giving it when guys don't really seem to deserve that much money for the rest of their career or for the rest of their productive, their production, their value, you know. And like you said, right now, they are a bit closer on raising the minimum salary to $615,000 for players with zero to one years of service time. The league previously offered 600,000 MLBPA was seeking 775,000. So MLB did not change its proposal for a set $650,000 salary for players with one to two years of service time and $700,000 for players with two to three years of service time.

So like I said, this whole thing is about those early years and honestly getting the best players, I feel like in the league, the money that they kind of deserve when they're producing at a young age early in their career, right? you know i i sometimes when you look at at the impact that some young players have had on on the league they they immediately started posting you know huge numbers once they got up to to the majors and and and that's where they stayed and it just doesn't seem justifiable at times to pay them uh as little as this just because they're in their first couple of years of their contract but baseball the way they handle salaries this entire process is just crazy to me and um you know i i don't know it's It is, and we'll talk about obviously the Hall of Fame vote, but at times it feels like baseball doesn't do itself any good in promoting its own sport

by having all of these fights between players and unions and baseball writers and fans and all of this stuff right now that's very contentious going on with baseball. I think everyone is hated right now, right? Yeah, but it feels like the baseball is fighting everybody. He's fighting everybody. The Association of America. We hate them. We hate the owners, right?

Some people hate the Players Union. There's just a lot of, a lot of very contentious things happening in the game right now. So you're very right. It's unfortunate. And I don't mean to immediately say that the MLBPA is giving up. But at times, you know, they're no longer seeking to tie free agency to player age. They've given up on that.

MLB Players Union offered to decrease the revenue sharing increase they requested from 100 million to 30 million. there's a huge concession immediately. And they'll be meanwhile staying steadfast in saying that they're not going to change their current revenue sharing formula at all. And management source predicts that the union will give that up in trade too,

according to John Heyman. So right now what we're seeing is it feels like the MLBPA is really sticking to their guns on the young players getting paid. And outside of that, it seems like they might end up giving up on a lot of these other issues. And they're probably going to consider,

seed on on a lot of these pay issues for the younger players as well. They'll get something, but definitely not what they wanted at the start of these negotiations. Yeah, the owner, I mean, the owners, at the end of the day, the owners have a little bit more leverage here than the players do, right? I mean, they're the ones writing the checks at the end of the day. There's not really a way to change that. So I think the players are, you know, they kind of came out shooting for the stars. So I think even from their perspective, they'd probably admit to you that, you know,

they probably didn't expect to get everything they asked for. But you're very right that what's happened so far, the players are making more early concessions than the owners are. The owners really seem to be sticking to their guns on a lot of this stuff. Well, and like I said, with the minor league players getting their assignments for spring training and things proceeding as far as that goes, right? I mean, a lot of times spring training are for these minor league guys anyway. It's their chance to get a look at from the team. It's their chance to maybe win a spot on the 40-man roster. There's all sorts of implications for their career and their season that could be.

started or you know at least getting some eyes on them in spring training i feel like we're not going to miss the the one to two innings from the normal starters you know as much during the spring training if they proceed with having spring training and that gives them some more time to negotiate and honestly it i don't i think that it once again puts pressure on the players it's not alleviating it's not alleviating pressure from the owners because the owners can have a plan where they can almost use minor league players for the time being leading up to opening day as almost like scabs during this situation and have the minor league players fill in and play, you know, spring training. Right now, that's going to be, that's going to be the first thing I think people are going to get riled

up about is the minute we move into the end of February and the spring training schedule either is impacted or whatever. That was, that was going to be the point I think where people, fans are going to start getting angry about this entire thing. But I don't know. I don't know this this this this negotiation's moving along at least gives me some hope right it's so ridiculous to say look we're excited that they talked in back-to-back days but really they've been they've been dragging their feet on this process so much that it actually is exciting that they've met for two consecutive days this week well they realize derrick the january 28th is only three days away oh my god so they're starting to pick up the pace i can't i can't wait for this

I can't wait for this day to be passed, so we don't have to listen to this crap anymore. I'll have you know. I don't know if you listened to the show yesterday, Derek, with our pal Jeff Weiser, but I might have made some concessions to Jeff that I don't know if I could, I don't think I would have the strength

to make those concessions to you live on the air. I understand. I understand. Maybe we'll get there someday, but anyway. Maybe, maybe. But Jesse, just as a reminder to you and to everybody else out there, there's only four teams remaining in the NFL all playoffs right now, Jesse.

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Well, hang in there, Derek, because I think the thing that is on people's minds the most today, we haven't even talked about yet. So we have not. I hope you have saved something, Derek. I definitely have saved a lot of yelling and I'm going to leave it all on the court. I'm going to leave it all on the court. Motion says, I heard someone say a few years ago that only writers who were writing for the MLB back when the players who are on the ballot were playing should be the only ones. who are able to vote and I agree. That's a pretty interesting concept. And I don't.

That makes too much sense. That makes entirely too much sense. Yeah, baseball can't do that. The vote is official. David Ortiz is a first ballot hall of famer and is the only player elected in this year by the Baseball Writers Association of America. Jesse, no surprise here.

But. Yeah, not really. Thoughts? upset? Anger? Do you have anything left? I mean, again, is it even surprising to you? I wouldn't say I'm not surprised, but I still think it's important that we talk about how much of a,

how much of an issue baseball has with this process right now. I mean, we all know that Barry Bonds, there's a pretty clear allegation regarding his usage of steroids that is out. But David Ortiz is not exactly clear. clean in that regard either. That's the weirdest part about this whole situation. That's been the outcry across baseball today. And I couldn't agree more with that. It doesn't make any sense.

From a number standpoint, Derek, I'm actually curious, Derek. If you were to guess who is number one in Major League Baseball and the history of baseball in war, who would you guess? You're probably going to get it right. Just guess like the first name that comes to your mind. Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth. There you go.

So Baybrooth is number one. one on the list. Number two on the list is Barry Bonds. Number two is literally is literally Barry Bonds. Number three is Willie Mays and number one hundred and eighty three on the list is is David Ortiz. Oh my God. And yet and yet somehow today. And this is not in any way to take away from David Ortiz. That's, I think it's pretty worthy first ballot hall of fame. Like he is, I mean, he has been an excellent, excellent player in this sport. You hit the nail on the head. I agree with you 100% because that's what I feel like I'm doing when I'm making this argument. that's what I feel like I'm doing.

I feel like I am, I am taking away from David Ortiz's day. I feel like I'm trying to, you know, muddy his, his history and his past. I love David Ortiz. And I am a Diamondbacks fan first and a Yankees fan second.

And I will say that because, whoa, I was raised on Puerto Rican. It's like, it's like a, it's like a default setting for Puerto Ricans to immediately root for all New York teams or Miami, one of those two.

that's your choices but i would have been i'll we'll let it slide derrick that's uh i appreciate that i uh but i will say that i've i've talked about it in the past and and like how definitive in my life uh how how how how changing the 2001 world series was for me and everything like that um but my point is is that i shouldn't like a boston red sock i shouldn't i just shouldn't it should be part of my dna tattooed inside of me that i don't like uh of Boston Red Sock. And I will just say that David Ortiz is a great individual. He's a great guy.

He is one of the best. Oh, yeah. Brandon Buckingham says he may have to unsubscribe now that the mayor is the Yankees fan. I'm not really. I'm just, I was trying to confess, you know, truths here,

but whatever. I guess we're, I thought we were in the trust tree, but I guess we're not in the trust tree. Keep that, keep that crap to yourself, Derek. We don't want to hear about your, your fandom for other cities that doesn't fly.

around here. But my point being is that I think David Ortiz is getting in quite, quite a bit on the success that he brought to a franchise that completely changed that franchise, right? The Boston Red Sox went from a joke to a team you couldn't feel safe having a lead against. The Boston Red Sox turned into a multi-time World Series champion. And you can't deny what he brought to that team. But that's, that's such a weird thing when people want to take factors like that in selectively, right? It's like, yeah, he didn't have the best numbers, but he had good enough numbers and, you know, his career stats and everything he did for a while there, the way he led the team, all that's great. But, you know, again, where is it that he is okay even though he has a PED incident against him?

and then these other guys aren't despite the fact that like did Barry Bonds ever test positive or was it just it's always the scandal of him covering up the fact that he used PEDs and then get caught up in that whole uh the uh Florida you know clinic thing um but the especially like when you talk about shilling who's just didn't get in based on kind of being a piece of shit and telling people he didn't want to be elected into the hall of fame right um But like, these are just weird reasons to me to not elect people in when the purpose of the hall is to honor the best players in the game, you know, and I think that's the argument going around everywhere today. It's not taking away from David Ortiz as much as saying it's ridiculous at this point. Barry Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, they're all going to have to get in through the, uh, what was it go? It's like the error committee or something like that. Yeah, there's a committee that meets during. the winter meetings that gives them still a shot this December. And they're absolutely going to vote all of them in because it would be preposterous not to.

And the point is to have that committee as a catch-all for these kind of situations where they kind of want a little bit more unbiased, you know, people deciding rather than writers. Josh Rowich, who was a huge part of the Arizona Diamondbacks foundation, is the president. of the Hall of Fame now. And it's kind of incredible to me because I love Josh Routch. He is one of the best people I've met in baseball, period. And the fact that he's doing this now doesn't surprise me at all. He's, he's an ambassador for the game. He is one of the warmest people I know.

And he loves baseball more than anybody I've ever met. Josh Rowich was saying today how, you know, if they take away from the writers, because the writers were even saying like, hey, give us some direction on this. stuff like how do you want us to feel about peds how do you want us to feel about that and the hall doesn't really want to provide direction their view on it is if we provide direction to the writers on how they should feel what their voting criteria should be whether morality should or shouldn't factor in takes that out of the human element and it just puts it right with the hall anyway so if they're going to direct them on who to vote in then the hall could just place

people in the Hall of Fame without having the baseball writers vote, right? Like this human element is part of the Baseball Hall of Fame, and it has been since the beginning. The problem is controversies have changed over the years, and what is and isn't a controversy, and what is and isn't morally right. And that's where I think the game of baseball has changed. Plus, it's hard to look at the Baseball Hall of Fame at times and say that the best players are in the, in the Hall of Fame.

Yeah. Freddy Lindstrom is in the Hall of Fame. Freddie Lindstrom averaged 212 hits and 17 home runs in the 1928 to 30 seasons. And then he only played two full seasons because of ankle and back problems. Why is that guy? Are you kidding me? That guy's in the Hall of Fame. You know, like there are some people in the Hall of Fame that when you start looking up old stats, career batting averages of 249, you know, wars of like one. you know, stuff like that. It's kind of, and a lot of them are elected in by the Veterans Committee because the Veterans Committee tends to acknowledge some of those performances that, you know, the baseball writers aren't going to. And honestly, when you start going through the list of some of the most obscure players in the Baseball Hall of Fame, most of them have been voted in by the Veterans Committee whose job is to make sure that, you know, these guys don't get missed. So I think at the end of the day, that's probably what we're going to see. But I just wonder, is this type of critical thinking when electing someone into the Hall of Fame partially responsible for this current state of the game's popularity?

You know, like all of this arguing, all this fighting, the owner, the, you know, the lockout, the Hall of Fame. How is any of this helping the game of baseball right now? It just, if I was a casual fan, I feel like at times I would easily just walk, walk away from this whole mess that's going on right now. yeah it's hard it's hard to know where to place the blame here right i mean we've placed the blame on major league baseball for a number of things when it comes to the lockout situation and all of that it's easy to blame the owners it's easy to blame rob manfred but yeah here i mean it's just the writers and um this is nice for us derrick because neither of us are currently members of the baseball writers association of america so we can kind of be the innocent outsiders uh who just

get to point fingers at people and whatnot. I like that. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's really, you know, we'd rather do that anyway. But, you know, I mean, potentially down the road, you know, potentially one or both of us are, you know, trying to make these same kinds of decisions. And I do want to point out, this is very, very hard. I mean, there's a lot of deserving players on the Hall of Fame ballot every year. And it's really tough to hold everything in balance and make sure that everyone gets the votes

that they deserve. So I in some ways kind of sympathize with with the writers trying to make a decision that at times feels just very difficult. I don't think it's obvious. You know, if you're if you're giving more votes to bonds and you're giving more votes to Schilling and Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa, you're going to have to get those votes from somewhere, right? You're going to have to take them away from other people. And you know that other people are going to get mad over the votes that are taken away from the other guys that are now no longer pulling in as many. So you're always, I mean, you're never going to make everyone happy in this process. But I think I think there's no way getting around the fact that that this was not a good day for baseball.

And Jeff Passon actually wrote about this today or yesterday on ESPN. And he wrote an article that was kind of along the lines of what you said in our last live show, that it is important just for the story of baseball that the that the story of the steroid era gets told. and that the people who are at the forefront of that era of this game are still represented in the Hall of Fame, even if it means being upfront about what they did and upfront about, you know, the fact that Barry Bonds took this game to a level that it was never intended to go, right? He took this way too far in terms of what he was willing to do. That's something like what Jeff Passon said.

And I think it's totally correct. I mean, it's this idea that those stories should still be told. They should still be in the Hall of Fame because of the greatness of those. players, but we just have to also be willing to be forthright about what happened. And unfortunately, that balance wasn't really struck properly here. You know what's wild to me, Jesse, is the one thing about baseball is I've read so many books about how people have cheated over the years, right? Yeah.

It's the one sport that I can recall. And not just reading books historically about it, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the one sport that I can recall. but experiencing it in my lifetime that how cheating just swung from one thing to the next, one thing to the next, right? Corked bats was the big cheating when I was like first really getting into baseball. You're right. Baseball has more cheating culture than other sports. Yeah, than any other sport.

There is this, there is an article I read about like Greenies. And I've always heard about Greenies, right? And Greenies was like a drug that players used to. to take like an upper before a game. Greenies were meth. That's what greenies were. They were methamphetamine mixed into clubhouse coffee is what they were. And it's just wild to me to think that a sport that at one time had players taking meth before the games to get prepared is mad about Barry Bonds and other players using more sophisticated forms of science that are way healthier than doing cocaine or methamphetamine to get ready for a game. And they are going

going out there and, you know, they're calling this guy a cheater somehow. You know, it's wild. Doc Ellis threw a no hitter on LSD. You know what I mean? I have a baseball card commemorating it right next to me. There are a lot of weird things with drugs and stuff. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron took greenies before every game, I guess. I heard that too. I'm not trying to throw out any accusations, but what he's saying is the stuff I've read as well. It's, it's, it's, just a weird part of the culture. So it seems weird to me now to start focusing on what it seems like the guys you couldn't catch, like the guys that were always one step ahead of just because that's what happened with David Ortiz, right? David Ortiz got popped. They, they, you know, it happened.

And then he moved on with his career. I think at times the elusive nature of some of these guys and their ability to always stay one ahead, step ahead and not get caught is at times what, infuriates people and might have that, you know, have that aura around them. I don't know. I can't, I can't explain it because, again, you could say what you want about certain guys. Schilling, again, requested people don't vote them in. So would you be that surprise that they didn't? Silling didn't even cheap, man.

He didn't even cheat. I know. Schilling didn't even cheat. He just talked shit. Yeah. He's just on the other side of a lot of people's, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's the opposite of how a lot of people view and think, and I understand. Like Brett Johnson says here, being a racist and taking greenies equals Hall of Famer,

but steroids and talking mean depressed, no Hall of Fame for you, sir. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely what it's starting to feel like, you guys. And I think that sucks, but we'll see what happens going forward. I know that the veterans, you know, that Veterans Committee will most likely not leave those guys out. And that includes Kirk Schilling, who will most likely go in. wearing a Diamondbacks hat. And yeah, we'll be, we'll be, we'll be at a very weird place come December if that happens. And we're in like this celebration mode, but we don't really know if Kurt will even be happy about this.

And it'll some Diamondbacks fans probably won't be too happy about it either. So we'll cross that bridge when we get there. That'll be an interesting time if that happens. It's, and that's, that's still such a weird thing to me. But the, this whole thing. The most important thing, though, I think here is today are, one of our favorite pictures, Zach Gallen, tweeted this out. Yeah.

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