PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Insurance runs

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

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and welcome to another edition of the PHNX Dabax podcast right here on PHNX, brought to you by our friends at the Draft King Sportsbook, America's top rated sportsbook app. My name is Derek Montia. Of course, I am occasionally known as your mayor of PHNX and I'm joined by my vice mayor, the one and only thunderstick Jesse Friedman. Derek, here we are. Not as fun. Not being in the same place today. It's a boring audio podcast, but, you know, rumor has it that you all might be seeing a little bit more of us in this. studio together moving forward. So we are, we are excited for that. Oh, that's not, that's not a,

that's not a spoiler. Uh, or excuse me, that is a spoiler. Jesse. What are you doing, giving stuff away. But yes, as he said, uh, we are very excited to not only have Jesse here in Phoenix once again and be doing our thing as a duo, but we will be changing up our format a little bit. We kind of talk to you guys a bit in the Discord just to get your thoughts and opinions on it. And going forward, starting next week, you will be able to catch Jesse and myself live five days a week. Right here on the PHNX Sports YouTube channel, we will still be putting out our podcast on your favorite audio podcasting app.

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And we are excited to talk about what is going on with this Arizona Diamondbacks team. Of course, yesterday was an off day. We talked about some of our favorite things to do on an off day. We were bored. We are bored. The Diamondbacks were off. Jesse, the Reno Aces were off. The Hillsborough hops were off.

The Vesalia Rah Hyde were off. Everybody was off. They left us completely alone without baseball yesterday. And I'm furious at this organization for doing that. Yeah, it's a pretty bizarre. day. I mean, that doesn't happen very often where every single part of the organization, not only the major league team, but all the minor league teams like you mentioned. No sod poodles games. No sod poodles games. What?

That's the real, that's the real tragedy when the sod puddles aren't in action. And then we don't get to see Corby and Carroll play when the sod poodles aren't in action. So it's a, it's a loss for everyone all the way around. Speaking of which, Jesse, I uncovered an amazing tale today of someone on the Twitter who purchased a Corbin Carroll baseball card autographed and graded. I believe it said it was five of five. I'm not very familiar with a lot of things trading card related. That's why we need to bring our buddy Rock knowledge back to drop some knowledge on us about the trading card game and what exactly was going on with this deal. But this person purchasing a Corbin Carroll

baseball card paid Jesse $30,000 for. it. 3-0, small comma, big zero, big fucking zero and huge zero at the end. But $30,000 they paid for this card that somehow has now been lost in the mail. Oh my gosh. There's a $30,000 autographed Corbyn Carroll baseball card floating around in the Las Vegas USPS center somewhere. and it is becoming a point of topic for a lot of card traders. People that collect, you know, cards, collectables, all that stuff. It's very, very sad, very disturbing that someone could pay that much money for a card to get lost in the mail. Seems like there wasn't a lot of thought put into ordering insurance on said card.

Yeah, I was going to say, that's a lesson that everyone should learn right now. When you have something in the mail that is as valuable as like a brand new car, you might want to get the insurance on that bad boy. I wouldn't even pay $30,000 for a car. I'm not paying that much on a car. The market is hard right now, not to pay that much. But what I do find really interesting is that a Corbyn Carroll car, Jesse, is worth $30,000.

Like, does that move the needle for you about the importance of this guy? I mean, that that's insane in my mind. my head. I mean, I assume is this, is this eBay? Is this like a bidding war? And that's like not sure. I think this is beyond that. I think this is like, because we're talking about high dollar collectibles versus eBay being like a, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's things that go for tens of thousands of dollars on eBay as well, like cars and such like that. Like you, like you said, I just don't know exactly the process in which this card was purchased. However, I do know like there are there are very wealthy. trading card owners in this country and they, you know, they have a way to connect with each other. They have a system. They, you know, they, they go to conventions. They meet each other. So like, all of this has probably been done through, you know, that kind of collector's seller's network. The person selling the card seemed pretty reputable based on what I saw people saying about him.

And it kind of turned into a bit of a disagreement because it sounded like the seller was blaming the guy that purchased the card, claiming that he might have received the card without having been made to sign for it, thus claiming he didn't get it and trying to get his $30,000 back. There's a lot of stuff involved with this thing. I didn't want to start choosing sides because quite frankly, the idea of sending a $30,000 collectible in the mail is fucking insane to me. Not to mention the fact that someone revealed at some point that the two parties were only three hours away from each other. And had I been purchasing something for $30,000, I think I'm willing to make that three hour drive, to collect my goods in person rather than trusting the U.S. fucking PS.

But that's just me. I've had things way less valuable loss by the Postal Service. So I am not sending something like that, at least without some insurance. But again, just a reminder, Corbyn Carroll, he will not be here until April 2023. So is that, is that what you're, is that the story you're sticking to, Derek? You think there's no possibility of a September call up? They have the Super 2, right? So it's like we could get it sometime.

around this time of the year, but I just don't know. I don't think that the Diamondbacks are in a position to really jeopardize, you know, what he's doing in the minor leagues and his, you know, the production that he is outputting now is great, but, you know, minor league guys go through this process for a reason, right? And we talked about it a bit yesterday in answering the questions. I just don't think they want to jeopardize his future by calling him up too early. At this point, Right, right. You know, they, they, he's not going to make a big enough impact on the major league roster to start winning games for this team necessarily right out of the gate,

even if he's very productive. So it really come, I think it really is a matter of, of, you know, his progression as a minor league player and not interrupting that at this point. I think it's, so it's important to mention here that under the new collective bargaining agreement, and I talked about this in, in my article about Alec Thomas the other day, because it sort of relates to him as well.

If a player finishes in the top two in rookie of the year voting in their league, they get a full year of service for that season. And so that being said, if the Diamondbacks call up Corbyn Carroll in September, at this point, it is impossible for Corbyn Carroll to get a full year of service for 2022. There's no way it can happen. If they call him up tomorrow,

he's not going to play enough to finish top two in rookie of the year. And so there's no way that that could happen. So from that standpoint, calling him up in September actually might not be that different from waiting, you know, the number of days that you need to. It's usually around like late April roughly that you would have to wait to bring him up in order to keep him from getting a full year of service next year. But what I'm saying is that if Corby and Carroll finishes top two and rookie of the year voting next year, it's not going to matter if the Diamondbacks call him up in late April or if they call him up right at the beginning of the season or if they call him up this September. all of those situations would have the same outcome from a service time standpoint just by virtue of this new CBA situation. And I think we obviously, it's no guarantee. There's an adjustment period for guys coming up.

We don't want to assume that Corbyn Carroll is going to finish top two and rookie of the year voting. But, I mean, if he if and when he comes up next season, he is going to be in that conversation from the very beginning. Don't fucking backtrack now, Jesse. You already said it. You already put it out there. Corbyn Carroll, rookie of the year next season. It's not a prediction. It's a spoiler per Jesse Friedman. There you go.

Yes. I am reporting that is news, exactly. It's a fact. It is a fact. Well, another fact is that Jesse did write about our five takeaways. He also wrote, like you said, about Alec Thomas, five takeaways from the series with the Detroit Tigers, as well as Alec Thomas's rookie of the year chances. And you can get both of those articles over at go phnx.com.

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Zach Gallen is for the children, much like Wu-Tank clan. And Zach Gallen, most likely, as we've discussed, is probably going to be the Arizona Diamondbacks only all-star game representative this year. And even that's not a guarantee, right? But the Diamondbacks will have at least one, you know, member of their of their team on the All-Star roster. And right now, Zat Gowland definitely looks like he is a front runner for that, even though, as Jesse uncovered today,

he currently doesn't even qualify for the top stats in pitching. Yeah. this is honestly kind of a shock to me. Just given what we've seen from Zach Gallen on the mound this season, I mean, a 2.79 ERA, although there's a bit of a discrepancy about his ERA that we're going to get to in a second. We found some fascinating things about Zach Gallons. We are going to put you on blast in a second. It turns out that Zach Gallen's ERA is up for debate,

depending on which website you look at right now. But the true ERA is 2.79. And if you look at Wins Above Replacement, Derek, which is always, at least for me, the stat I'm going to start with when it comes to all-star voting, MVP voting, those kinds of things. Zach Gallen is currently 53rd

among Major League pitchers in Wins Above Replacement. And believe it or not, Zach Gallen does not lead the Diamondbacks pitching staff in Wins Above Replacement. He is actually in second place in Wins Above Replacement

because Merrill Kelly is actually ahead of Zach Gallen and by a decent margin. Zach Gallen has 1. wins above replacement at this point in the season, whereas Merrill Kelly is at 1.6. He's currently 30th in the big league, so quite a bit closer to the front. I don't think that's to say that Merrill Kelly is going to be the All-Star. I think there's still a good case here that Zach Allen should be the guy.

But it's not as much of a slam dunk as I think I would have expected, Derek. If you look at some of the underlying numbers on Zach Allen, his strikeout rate this season is actually lower than what it's been in the past, which is not. not altogether a bad thing. His walk rate is actually also lower. And I think for him, that's a pretty good tradeoff. There were times in the past couple years where it felt like he was kind of trying to strike guys out. And when he does that, he can be a little bit more prone to nibbling off the corners and walking guys more than he would like to. So all in all, I do think he's had an excellent season. And I think there's still a good case here for him as an

All-Star, but let me just put it this way, Derek. If the Diamondbacks had someone else, if they had a position player who was a clear-cut All-Star and they already had, you know, that required one All-Star set for them, I'm not sure that Zach Gallen would necessarily be a shoe-in to make the All-Star team. He is his case, I think, is going to rely, at least right now, it relies a little bit on the fact that the Diamondbacks need an All-Star, and on that front, I think he is the clear front-runner. Yeah, absolutely. like you said, his strikeouts are actually down right now for his lowest strikeout per nine

ratio in his career. Right. But his ERA of 2.79 would qualify him for the 10th best ERA right now in the National League. So I'm with you there, though. I mean, some of his numbers aren't super impressive. I still find it fascinating that his 71 innings pitched is not enough to qualify because you need one inning pitched per game on average. And the Diamondback has 74 games they've played and right now he is at 71 innings pitch. Jesse pointed out, obviously he'll be there after today's start, but there still is that, you know, it doesn't seem like Zach Gallen has missed enough time do not qualify for, you know, for anything this season at this point. It's just, uh, it's the way things,

way things work out. Uh, why though? Why in the world, Jesse? Can, uh, can we not agree on what is ERA is. Yeah. Why is it that MLB.com and baseball reference have Zach Gallin's ERA at 2.79. Meanwhile, fan graphs has it at 2.92. 2.92. This is honestly something that I've never seen before. And you all know I'm kind of a stats nerd.

We have to dig into this one a little bit. Yeah, we have to do we have to dig into this one a little bit. So it turns out that yes, fan graphs currently, this is prior to Z. Jack Gallen start on Tuesday night as we record this. Fan Grafts is absolutely wrong. That's what our research has unveiled. But we had to go in and we had to see what the reason was. So Fangraphs is at 292.

As you said, the other websites are all in agreement at 279. And so we went through his game log and tried to figure out where the discrepancy was. And it turns out that Zach Allen's most recent outing in San Diego, that's where the discrepancy was. It was just a few days ago. according to fan graphs Derek Zach Allen gave up two earned runs

in that game whereas according to baseball reference and MLB.com and all the other sites he gave up just one earned run in that game and that's the difference between the 279 and the 292 ERA. Jordan Looplo's error is the real

difference there in that one run difference in ERA right and the way that you did it's again why Jesse and I have talked about some of those stats that are bullshit like RBI and errors because with errors it really is subjective and that's still the wildest thing about it for a game that everything is kind of black and white you know what I mean the baseball does have so many stats that are subjective somebody looked at it and decided whether or not

this guy could have made a play on it cleanly or not whether or not it deserves to get an error some of them yeah they're clear cut right but the biggest problem with errors is guys that are gifted athletically that can have a bit more range than other guys, they're, they're unfortunately going to look like they're getting more errors than someone who can't even get to the ball because something as stupid as putting a glove on the ball can make it an error or not. They assumed if you were close enough to get a glove on it that you should have

made a play, no matter how spectacular the play would have needed to be made in order to actually, you know, stop getting out or do what you needed to do as a defender, right? So, errors are still a bit wonky when it comes to that kind of stuff. And this is a perfect example of how wonky they can be from one website to the next. Yeah, yeah. So what specifically happened here?

And I didn't watch this game live. I was still on the road from Washington to Arizona. I think this is about the moment that my air conditioner broke down in B. Fun memories. But, yeah, so basically what happened is Jordan Looplo, ran back a ways in order to track down a fly ball. I think it was Kim from the Padres, who was at the plate.

And so he had a fly ball. Jordan Looplo tracks it down and it clanks off his glove. And so I didn't watch the game live, Derek, but what I can gather in retrospect is it was originally ruled a double, in which case the run would be earned. And then retroactively, the scorekeeper changed it into an error, which it's kind of on the edge. as you're talking about, you know, you don't want to penalize Jordan Looplo in that situation for getting

to a ball that other guys wouldn't get to, but just falling a little bit short and having it clank off his glove. Based on what I saw, though, I think it probably is an air. It wasn't like a leaping, diving grab or anything. It's a play that I think a major league outfielder probably should make, and it clanked off his glove. Originally ruled a double, but retroactively ruled an air. And apparently, fan graphs just didn't adjust for that. And still, hasn't. So if any of you never will. They will refuse to as long as they live.

Yeah, they have their own scorekeeper and they, you know, they make their own, they play by their own rules over there. And we're going to be tracking that for the rest of the season. So we'll see if this just, like, it's almost like the multi-to, multiverse of madness, right? Jesse, the

Zach Gallen universe has been split and now his ERA is going in two different directions. So we'll see if they can reconverge or if they will continue to splinter and go down these individual timelines that now Zach Gallen will have one ERA for one website and one ERA for another one. But regardless, this is baseball and it's absolutely a ridiculous game. And it's why we love it. So we will be live, by the way, talking about baseball at

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Make a day around it. Bring the family. Four Peaks has excellent food. So that is a big win on Wednesday. It's a big win. And a bigger win is to come and see me get bullied in real life by Shearson, Susan Sousel, that's a whole other thing, though. She's very mean to me. We will be there, though, and we hope you guys join us. If you can't join us, make sure to tune in, watch the shows live, maybe go to your local grocery store or liquor store, convenience store, grab yourself some Four Peaks and enjoy along with us if you can't be there present. So regardless, be there with us on Wednesday because we're going to be having a great time. Must be 21 or older to enjoy Four Peaks. And please remember to enjoy responsibly. Speaking of enjoying responsibly, also check out our friends at OG's brands.

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That was kind of the fun side of it. But now today we are seeing the fallout from the brawl between the Angels and the mariners. Yes, it was the same fight that you saw in Naked Gun. in the first naked gun movie with Leslie Nielsen behind the plate as the umpire. But Jesse, it seemed it seemed like this not only a fight was a bit out of hand, right? We don't typically see baseball fights get this nasty, but the suspensions being handed down are quite ugly as well. The Mariners, three players on the Mariners received suspensions.

Jesse Winker, the person who got hit received seven games. shortstop J.P. Crawford got five games and center fielder Julio Rodriguez received two games. Meanwhile, on the Angels side, shit got a little bit crazier. Interim manager Phil Nevin, who's been in his job for what, like 20 days, got 10 games for the fight. Third baseman, Anthony Rendon, who is currently on the injured list, five games when he returns. And, and Jesse he's not allowed back on the Angels bench for the next seven games. But that's not even the half of it. So we have a couple of pitchers.

Andrew Wants got three games. He was the starter slash opener. There was some accusations that Phil Nevin might have thrown him in, specifically to throw at Jesse Winker and get redemption for what happened the previous day. Mike Trout was thrown at around his head. He didn't get hit. I don't believe, right? So this was just like some weird retaliation for a thing that almost happened, right?

Yeah. Right-handed pitcher Ryan, uh, Tepera. Is that how you say it? I'm sure I'm saying that, Ryan. Yeah, I think that's right.

Raciel Iglesias got two games. Jesse, bench coach Ray Montgomery got two games. Catching coach Bill Hasselman got one game. And in a move that just is fucking incredible, team interpreter Mani del Campo got two games I gotta watch the video again

this is making in the mix what the fuck is happening here that's incredible I also so someone someone posted on Twitter I mean Anthony Rendon of course poor guy is hardly hardly played since joining the Angels

he's basically just on the injured list all the time basically and so someone tweeted out something along the lines of the angels are just paying Anthony Rendon like $35 million a year just to like knock the crap out of opposing players like that is that is the reason they are paying him so much he gets paid the big bucks just to just to come after the opposing players in these bench clearing brawls well let me tell you uh between him and chris bryant playing

a fraction of the games this year for the colorado rockies that he was supposed to uh my choices to start at third base for the arizona diamondbacks all look pretty bad right about now i might have been spending money egregiously for this team based on my choices. But my favorite part about this was there was an incident after the fight where everything kind of settled down. Players were getting thrown out of the game. Obviously they weren't happy about it, but based on the whole fight, you know, everybody had gone to their respective corners and kind of settled down.

And then probably my favorite part of the fight is when Raysal Legacius just finds out he's been thrown from the game. and he just decides to take a whole goddamn bucket of sunflower seeds and then just toss them onto the field, which reignited the Seattle Mariners bench and that caused Jesse Winker almost to pull away from somebody who was holding him back

and go back out there and fight somebody else. But like this entire situation is wild. And I mean, I think assistant pitching coach Dom Chiti, that guy got five games for essentially trying to hold people back from fighting other people. And that, that's the weird part about these brawls.

When you go back and look at some of the suspensions that were handed, handed down, obviously you can't see everything. And obviously some of this is decided based on what was said that happened versus what we saw on camera. Yeah. Because we're seeing so much. Right.

But it's kind of wild that somebody could get five games for seemingly looking like a peacemaker in the middle of a fight like this. Yeah. Yeah. It was a whole mess. I think a lot of people were very entertained by it. John Boy has an incredible breakdown as always. We encourage you to go go check out their video.

It was a real fight though. I mean, I think that's the one thing about baseball. Yeah. You don't really get real fights in baseball, not like this. Like you get. Yeah.

Because it's always over some dumb shit. Like this was some dumb shit. This was some dumb shit. I mean, do you remember the game speaking back about Zach Gallen where Zach Gallen just couldn't stop hitting guys? Yeah. Remember?

Yeah. And I mean, credit to the. the opposition, they did not hit one Diamondback's player in retaliation because they could tell Zach Gallant absolutely was not doing it on purpose. Yeah. It wasn't, and that it almost never, like how many times does it really happen where a team purposefully hits the opposing player and then there's retaliation? Like that you could sort of understand, but there are so many situations, uh, arguably like this one, I guess maybe it depends on who you ask. It didn't appear that on the night prior,

the mariners were intentionally coming after Mike Trout's head. Of course, you don't know that for sure, but Mike Trout is not a very, I don't know, it's hard to hate Mike Trout. I mean, it's hard to like want to come after him for no reason at all. The only other guy you would do that against is Shoah Otani also on the Angels. Like that's the only guy above Mike Trout that you would be like, how dare you? Like, I get it because I might fight someone overthrowing at Shoahe Otani's head. So that's how I feel about that, man.

And I'm sure people have similar feelings about Mike Trout, right? So I get that you're, you know, that's, that's, that's the guy in baseball and to the angels. Mike Trout is a God. So I understand protecting him at all costs. But yeah, it's just, it's this weird thing in baseball where we retaliate for almost hits. And we'd retaliate for things where it seemed like it was, you know, something malicious, but then nothing really happened. Like, I just, I can't stand baseball.

and it's unwritten rules sometimes. I can't. Yeah. Yeah. So ridiculous and it's, it's adults acting like children over some shit that was most likely, like you said, there's no way to know if Mike Trout was thrown at intentionally or not.

But yeah. You know, I don't know. Could you imagine if, so I'm replaying the video of Ryssela glacius launching this box of sunflower seeds. And, and I'm just,

I'm pretty thankful that like, like they were packaged, you know, like it's a box of packaged sunflowers seeds, but like what if they weren't? Like what if he just unloaded sunflowers? The four grounds crew out there for like a half an hour cleaning up

the sunflower seeds from the field. Because he throws it like literally right on the field itself. So yeah, I'm just imagining this poor grounds crew and like an hour long delay while they clear up all of the sunflower seeds off the field. But so kind of a hilarious moment. It's like the

fight is over and then Iglesias just comes roaring out of the dugout with this. It's literally like he's throwing gasoline on a fire is literally what it's like. You know what I mean? Like the fire had kind of settled down and this guy's like, nope, here comes two more gallons of gasoline on it, you know. Oh my gosh. It was it was entertaining. I think that, you know, there are some losers here, the guys who are suspended and whatnot, but it was a pretty, yeah, there's a lot of publicity over this moment and for baseball that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world sometimes so pretty crazy what happened there i don't know what to say like i said the thing with mike trout um it was a critical part of the game too right like it was the bottom of the ninth

or top of the ninth or whatever bottom of the night and i mean yeah right at the end of the game like you're not head hunting mike trout at you know i don't know well and the the way that that the Mariners celebrated after the wind too, I think was another part of it. They were like doing, I don't know, they seem like a little bit more showy than they normally would have been, which I think is a little strange after you presumably

you know, accidentally come after Mike Trout's head. So the optics there were a little weird. One thing I'm proud of when it comes to the Arizona Diamondbacks is them kind of staying out of situations like this.

Like I have to say that again, like I referenced the Zach Gallen situation and some other, you know, some other situations that stuff might have boiled over, but it seemed like the Diamondbacks for the most part have tried to do things the right way

and tried not to be super retaliatory or get themselves into these situations. But that wasn't the case, you know, when like Gibby was here. Like, it was a different attitude and the mantra and the

attitude almost seemed to be passed down a bit from the manager to the rest of the team about toughness and not taking anyone's shit and, you know, just having a different kind of mentality. Troy Lovello does not seem like that kind of manager that passes down that kind of philosophy to his player. I think he passes down to the Diamondbacks the right way of doing things and it's reflected on the field. Yeah. Yeah, Tori Loved, I mean, he's just, he's just such a people person and he just has great relationships with basically everyone that he knows.

So part of me wonders if, you know, for people like Tori Lavello who are just so naturally friendly and enjoy talking with people and, and, you know, hearing what they have to say, he's, he's a great listener from what I can tell. He enjoys, you know, meeting basically anyone. So part of me wonders at times with, you know, situations where Tori is going out, arguing a call or something. If, if, you know, he has to kind of bring out this part of himself that is not necessarily part of. who he is as a person. You know, I think for some managers, that aspect of the game comes naturally. Like, they, they just get pissed off.

And, you know, you know, there's some guys you see them kicking around the dirt or throwing, throwing bases around. And it's like, yeah, that may genuinely be part of,

of just kind of who they are and how they, you know, how they work through moments like that. Tori is just not, he's not that kind of a guy. And so, um,

I wouldn't be shocked. If occasionally when you see Tori Lavello out there, arguing these calls, getting really mad and up in people's faces if it's kind of him like forcing himself to do something that is not necessarily part of his normal character. I will

say, just building on what you just said, that there is also a thought process that Toy LaVolo might not have that killer instinct, right? That competitive fire to do whatever it takes to win because he's a good guy. Right?

And Troy Lovolo, he cares about his players more than winning, right? So, and that's like he does everything right, but you think, do you think he would say that? Do you think that Toro Lavello would openly say I care about my players more than winning? I get, you would probably try to brush it off and be like, no, I care about both and, you know, you can do both at the same time. But yeah, I'm curious. I don't know, because I've heard Tori say some things, right? It's kind of like when Chris Paul said during this, you know, during the series with the Mavericks that infuriated everybody that there's more to life than basketball, right?

And that's coming from somebody. that has experienced the highs and the lows of the game and also still has to be a regular human being that enjoys life away from it because that's his job and he still has a life to live away from his job. I think Tori Lavallo does see the big picture a lot. And I think that Tori Lavolo would be the kind of guy that might give an answer that didn't shy away from saying he values,

you know, his players more than winning. Yeah. He might say at the end of the day, you know, his job is to manage the players and to get the most out of that. him, right? But Tori Lavallo isn't on the field. He's not contributing to the game. So all he can really do is show these guys how much he cares about him. He can, you know, do everything he can to nurture them and get the most out of them, right? So it's not to say that people don't like playing for him or the team isn't ran well underneath them. It's just to say, like, when you say that about Tori,

it makes me wonder because some of these other managers do have that, right? They do have that competitive fire. They do have that nastiness of they can't. can't wait to go out there and argue with the first base umpire and kick dirt on his shoes and do all of that shit right with that being said i mean i don't loop if that was the case lu penella would be the winningest coach and manager in baseball history right you know some of these guys got angry all the time through bases and shit would be the greatest managers of all time so i i i don't know i mean i the one thing i will say about tory is i am proud of the way that he runs this team and cares about the players. I don't know if bringing in a different manager while still spending the same amount of money and still running the team roster-wise, because Tori has no impact on that, right,

is going to yield different results with a guy that came in here, maybe and is a ballbuster that is emotional and fiery and competitive all the time. Yeah, I kind of feel like that brand of manager is going out of style just a little bit. You don't see, like, I don't know, are there any Lou Panella-esque figures still in the game who have that reputation of going crazy in those moments of games? Well, I do think there's a decorum, right? So you're right about that.

We don't have managers going out there. And literally, you know, once a week fucking in the 90s, you would see a manager toss a base or do something insane. It was, it's like you said about this game. It was entertaining. It was almost something people wanted to see, right? Yeah. But I will say like Gabe Kapler, for instance, right? He's a guy that seems to be fiery.

He seems to be like a little bit standoffish. You know, he, he is there to win games and he is there for his guys. And he doesn't give a fuck about you or anything else. He doesn't care if you like the way he manages the team. You don't care. He doesn't care if you like the fact that he doesn't play by the unwritten rules. There's none of that that impacts him. Right.

So, I mean, that makes him a little bit of a, I guess a fiery manager. You know, he's definitely not a diplomat when it comes to answering some of those questions about the way he manages and some of the things the giants do. I'll just say that, again, going back through all of this stuff, I'm pretty proud of Tori and the way he does things. It doesn't mean that what you said, I don't know. I think when Tori went out there to defend, speaking of our guy that we've been talking about all episodes. long, Zach Gallen, I think he wanted to fight John Libca. I think he wanted to get tossed from that game. I think there's times where Tori has absolutely seen enough and it boils over. I think the reaction we're getting out of him is his real reaction. I think Tori's just good at staying calm and staying

collected. I think that, you know, even when he goes out there and addresses like a bad call or some sort of thing that when happened on the field, he still does it in a very diplomatic way, right? But not against that fucking John Lipka bullshit. Tori literally ran out there and got lost before he even arrived at the Empire. I was like, oh shit, if you're going to toss me before I have to say something, then I have a lot more to say to you than I was just going to say. But Tori was going to get tossed out in that situation. He was going to get tossed out of that game.

And that was his intention the minute that he set foot on the field from coming out of the dugout. So like there are times where I think he knows that this is this is where I need. need to get the, get the boys fired up. And I need to do something to defend my team. Luckily, we have a deep bench at manager. And I think Tori is more comfortable than ever doing that, knowing that he has Jeff Bannister there ready to manage the team and take over.

Should he get tossed or should he even get suspended, depending on how egregious the thing he says to the home plate umpire is. But again, a lot of, a lot of people being suspended. A lot of people being spent it 47 games is the total. That's the total number of games of suspension that came out of this one incident. 12 different individuals.

Oh, that's ugly. That is ugly. Including one team's interpreter, which will forever confuse me. We'll live in infamy. Only one player wants. Andrew wants is not appealing his suspension. Everybody else is.

Interesting. I mean, he's the guy who, I mean, he's the guy who delivered the pitch. So it's, it's going to be, he doesn't have much of an argument. Doesn't have much of an option. Yeah, I did the thing. That's fine.

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