PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - MLB errors on the Cy Young Trophy & the D-backs continue to project well on top prospects lists

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:06 Hello and welcome in to another edition of the PHNX debacks podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Montia. Of course, I am your mayor of PHNX. This guy's my vice mayor. Also a thunderstick, the one and only Jesse Friedman. It feels like every single day there's a new prospect list that drops. And somehow, even though they're kind of all somewhat the same when it comes to the debacks, there's still like this renewed excitement that comes with every single one of them.
Starting point is 00:00:34 So, hey, we have another top 100 list. And we're going to talk about it. We don't care about how many top 100 prospect lists we've already talked about. We will talk about the top 100, top 100 prospects list around here because it's prospects season. And of course, things are very, things look very good for the Arizona Diamondbacks future. This show is brought to you by the fine folks at the Draft King Sportsbook app. America's top rated sportsbook app first before we get on to Prospects news. We wanted to give a big, belated happy birthday to our friend Chris Melton.
Starting point is 00:01:05 It is Mailbag Monday, which falls in my birthday week. Welcome to Chris's birthday week. We are proud to be a part of it. Thank you so much for being a part of our PHNX family. We couldn't do it without you. And I mean that literally. Chris is the like the godmother, I guess you would say. Yeah, that's very accurate.
Starting point is 00:01:23 I don't really know what we would do without Chris, frankly. And I mean that with utter sincerity. I'm not really sure what we would do. There's artwork on the walls that were provided to us by Chris. I mean, literally she has decorated our studio. and I've been a part of our family since day one. So big happy birthday to you. I hope you are enjoying it very much.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Elizabeth says Jesse kind of looks like Timothy Shalamey today. And Elizabeth has been drinking, obviously. So I have no idea. I have no idea. Cheers to you. Oh, now he's going to look up Timothy Shalmay. This is the part of the show. Do you see what you've done?
Starting point is 00:01:59 You probably have to derailed us. My God. Anyway. Trying to gas Jesse up. Oh, look at that. Look at the look on his face. He's looking at all the pictures. is not quite that curly.
Starting point is 00:02:09 It is a little crazier today than normal. So maybe that's what it is. This is ridiculous. But Keith Law released moving on. Keith Law released his top 100 prospects list, which Jesse is very excited about. And the debacks once again have five. Count them five prospects on the top prospects list.
Starting point is 00:02:27 But it may not be who you think it is. No, Gabriel Moreno didn't make a return to someone's top prospects list. But Keith Law actually has Ryan. Nelson, number 82 on his top 100 prospects list. Ryan Nelson, who debuted in the majors last year and had quite a start along with Dre Jameson. So, Jesse, I guess thoughts on Ryan Nelson here at 82. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, in past years and recent years, it's felt like Nelson, Jameson fought were all kind of interchangeable, like depending on which list you looked at. A lot of them were top 100 guys last year. But the order of them was sort of just anyone's
Starting point is 00:03:07 Yes. I don't think there was a big difference between them in terms of how they were perceived. Now there is a pretty big difference, right? Brandon Fott is the clear frontrunner after the season he had last year. And I think a lot of people still view Nelson and Jameson as being kind of on the same level. I think it's interesting that Nelson did make this list. There is no Dre Jameson on Keith's list, only Ryan Nelson, which I'd be curious to ask Keith. You know, we just kind of what his thoughts were on that and how those two compare. But yeah, I mean, Ryan Nelson.
Starting point is 00:03:37 25 years old. So I think that's the main reason why you maybe haven't seen him on any list so far. Once you get to 25 years old, it's pretty hard to be on a top 100 list at that point. I don't like the direction this is going. But the reason that Ryan Nelson is here is because he came up last year and had like a 1.5 ERA in four starts in the big leagues. And even though his numbers in the minors last year weren't great, he made quite an impression upon arriving to the big leagues. Same thing with Jameson. And their numbers were so good at a big league level that I felt like we both,
Starting point is 00:04:10 and we had discussions about this. We were both almost waiting for them to come back down to Earth. Like it almost seemed surreal for them to be able to perform at the level that they did when they reached the majors. In comparison to their minor league numbers, right? The minor league numbers tend to be what you look at that kind of let you let the wind out of the sale a little bit. However, it's almost like boot camp for pitchers, right? I mean, it's almost like pitching within the Diamondbacks organization in Reno and in Amarillo that you are going to have face, you know, more pitcher-friendly ballpark than you might even see in the majors outside of Colorado. So I think that or excuse me, batter-friendly.
Starting point is 00:04:50 I didn't mean pitcher-friendly. Definitely not picture-friendly. I meant hitter-friendly ballpark. But you're not going to see, you know, too many of those. And honestly, the guys have done a great job at transitioning. Ryan Nelson definitely was the first to do that. right? He debuted before Drake Jameson, and he was the first one to have his, his stellar outing that kind of surprised us. Yeah, I mean, the key with Ryan Nelson is his
Starting point is 00:05:12 fastball. We saw it last year. His velocity actually played up a little bit on his arrival to the majors. It was more 94 in the minors, but we saw 95 in the majors on average. So we'll see if that was just kind of an adrenaline rush in his first few starts or if maybe that has some staying power in the big leagues. But the big question with Ryan Nelson, And the reason that Keith Law has him on this list is, you know, what are the secondary pitches going to look like? And Keith Law believes in those secondary pitches to a certain extent, right? He talked about Ryan Nelson slider, which he said flashed as a plus pitch. The splitter slash changeup, depending on who you ask, didn't look quite as good for Ryan Nelson in the majors.
Starting point is 00:05:58 But the thing for him is that he's going to have to establish a secondary pitch that he's, can turn to regularly. If you look at his pitch usage numbers from a year ago, he relied very heavily on his fastball. We've talked about this before. 70% four seamers, 13% curveballs, 11% sliders, 6% changeups. And in order to have staying power in the big leagues, as we've said, you're going to have to be able to rely on those pitches more.
Starting point is 00:06:24 He seems to think the slider is the one that could take that next step. And I went back and watched some Ryan Nelson sliders. And indeed, he didn't throw many of that. But it was a really effective pitch for him at times. Why is Trey Jameson doubted? What is it about his game that analysts don't see longevity there as a starting pitcher? It almost feels a bit like, you know, and you've dug into these numbers for the team last year, where at times some of like, for instance, your home run piece,
Starting point is 00:06:54 where a lot of the home runs just are very unlikely based on the trajectory angle, you know, exit velocity, all that kind of stuff, right? So I feel like what we saw with Drey Jamison last year was very exciting. It felt like he was almost the better of the two. Yet what we see is Ryan Nelson still ranked much higher than Drey Jamison. And a lot of Jameson's success from last season almost is attributed to defense and a bit of, you know, just a bit of good fortune rather than it being actually something he's doing that is looking dominant at a major league level. There definitely was an element of good fortune in Drey Jamison's results last year. I think of these two pitchers, I think Ryan Nelson's results.
Starting point is 00:07:42 And again, it's, you know, it's three or four starts. You can't put that much stock in these numbers. But Drey Jamison gave up a lot of hard contact, which I know looking at how good the numbers were, that might be a little bit hard to believe. His expected ERA, according to baseball, Savant, was 4.49, which is not even very good, right like that's actually kind of below average and what's his actual the r a his actually i was 1.48 right there's an enormous enormous disparity and again in these in this few number of starts like you know it's hard to like i said it's hard to put any stock in those numbers but uh there were more like
Starting point is 00:08:19 warning signs of like okay this may or may not be legit with jameson than with ryan nelson who genuinely like hitters just couldn't square up his stuff his fastball you know i think coming into the big leagues, he was like, this is the pitch that I know works best, and I'm just going to rely on this pitch. And that's exactly what he did. And maybe hitters make some adjustments. I'm sure they will over time. But initially, they couldn't hit Ryan Nelson's fastball. It has an insane amount of spin. It has an insane amount of ride. It's a, it's very, very hard to hit. You know, even though 95 miles an hour doesn't jump off the page, it's way harder to hit than you would think. Jameson did a better job of, you know, mixing up his pitches, using science,
Starting point is 00:09:00 secondary pitches more. He kind of came in at times with a better game plan in his in his starts. So maybe that is a little bit more, you know, the reason why we saw him have that success. But, you know, again, the reason why projections are one thing and results are another is because despite the results, sometimes the projections end up eventually being correct. And that's really what we're trying to look at with a guy that's only made three or four starts isn't so much of the immediate results as much as what we could see out of him in the future. That right. It's not this huge surprise. If he is better than this, then that's fantastic, just like he was, then that's great. However, really what the Diamondbacks are looking for is who is going to round out their starting rotation. And Dre Jameson could end up being a valuable piece for this team out of the bullpen instead of in the rotation. That's why right now they need to determine which of these young guys are going to stick around. I think with Jamison, and again, I would love to ask Keith's actual take on this.
Starting point is 00:09:54 But I suspect that the reason that Jameson was not on this list and Nelson was, is that Dre Jameson has a slider, which is a really good slider, but he doesn't have any other clear secondary pitches. He's got the four seamer and the sinker, which is great. The sinker has been a really nice addition for him over the last couple of years, but it's hard to make it as a starter when you have two different types of fastballs and only one other out pitch. He kind of needs the curveball or the change up to take another step forward in order to have staying power in the big leagues. Whereas with Ryan Nelson, I think the makings of those secondary is already there.
Starting point is 00:10:30 We talked about the slider, the curve ball, the change up. There are people who view those pitches is already being like average, maybe above average big league offerings. Whereas with Jameson, it's like it kind of has the feel
Starting point is 00:10:41 of a fastball slider sort of a deal, which generally plays better in the bullpen than it does in the starting rotation. Absolutely. And another reason why he might find his way into the bullpen is because of who Keith Law has at number 38 on his list, which is Brandon Fott.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Yeah. Brandon Fott comes in at number 38. Drew Jones comes in at 14. Jordan Lawler at 9. Corbyn Carroll, number one. On the T's Laws list and in your hearts. So again, we know many of these lists are going to be very similar. We know that.
Starting point is 00:11:13 But we don't hate seeing this over and over again. Corbyn Carroll landing in in the top three and everybody's lists in some way. Drew Jones and Jordan Lawler being much closer to the top than we anticipated. And even Brandon fought being in the mix. I mean, Ryan Nelson, that's almost just icing on the cake between him. and Gabriel Moreno and Dre Jamison, we know how special this young core is and more importantly, how close the timeline is for these guys.
Starting point is 00:11:38 This is what over the last two seasons, we have been begging for this team to develop. And it feels like outside of a couple of veterans on the team, we really have figured out who the core of this team going forward is going to be. And who they really need to focus around, who they need to build around. When acquiring pieces, they can, you know, kind of shoot for hopefully guys
Starting point is 00:11:58 in the same age range, even though that is going to get to be more and more difficult as these guys get to that perfect MLB, ripe old age of like 24, you know? Keith Law said at the end of his little blurb on Corbyn Carroll, he said the Diamondbacks are building a tremendous core of young players and Carroll will be one of their centerpieces for a long time. So, yeah, Keith Law is a fan.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Keith Law is in on the future of the Diamondbacks. And there's good reason to be in that place, right? I mean, he has Jordan Lawler in the top 10. He has Drew Jones at 14 instead of MLB pipeline, which had him at 15. Again, three in the top 15 and two in the top 10. Jesse loves to dissect how unlikely that is, but considering that there's 30 MLB teams and they all have a pretty damn good prospect in their system somewhere, that's just so unlikely and just shows how honestly how good
Starting point is 00:12:50 this is for the future of the Arizona Diamondbacks. I want to address, I am the Larry said earlier, which I wasn't a part of this chat, So this is interesting to hear. He said in Keitha's chat today, he hinted that the next guy on the debacks list is not Jameson or Delo Santos. I'm very curious who is next. We would have to ask Keith directly to figure out the answer to that question. But I can tell you with some confidence that I would bet it is Umin Lin. It is a very, very young, left-handed pitcher that the Diamondbacks signed as an international amateur within the last couple of years.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And he has like 26 pitches, I'm pretty sure. not 26 but he has he has a lot of I was so excited about that I was like tell me you're like bullshit in me right now I believe I believe he has six pitches and even like some different alterations that you could theoretically call even more than that he's he's a slim he's a slim kid so there are some questions about like how the velocity will evolve over time I think it's low 90s right now but he's a lefty that people are starting to get excited about that's my guess for who would be next on this list. He's just so young and he hasn't played above
Starting point is 00:13:59 low A at this point. So it's hard for him to get in these top 100 lists, but he's a name to watch moving forward. On the flip side of the good times that the future might bring us, let's bring in some bad times in regards to what the present brings us. Let's start this picture up here that nobody wants to see. Yeah, that's going to bring pain to so many of us. Jesse, I texted you this when we were discussing this image, but just look how happy he is, right? Like, did you ever see him smile that big as an Arizona Diamondback? Honestly, yes. Really?
Starting point is 00:14:33 All the time. What? Literally all the time. No. I don't believe you. It is one of the, I don't know, like, like Paul Goldschman is not a super like charismatic outgoing guy. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:14:44 But any time that he's talking with someone having a friendly conversation. you're going to get the Goldie smile. Oh, man. He's just, he just looks so happy. I think that's just so, it brings me so much pain. That's just so who Paul Goldschman is, though.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Oh, this is like staring at the sun right now. Whether, whether he's looking at, you know, just someone just chatting it up in the dugout or whatever, or he's holding a long-awaited most valuable player trophy. Goldie is just Goldie, you know. He's not a big spotlight guy.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Would you guys go as far to say that this is cursed? It's a cursed photo. This is a cursed image. Yeah, this is, I don't, that bow tie is so big. He looks so handsome. I'm so jealous of this image so much. I want this for us so bad. I want this for the diving back so bad, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:15:37 It is what it is. Like, it's like breaking up with someone, right? I just want to see him be happy, but I didn't want him to be that happy. Like, I didn't want to see that look in his eye. But I don't know if you can go with the breakup analogy, because it's like the most peaceful, loving breakup. Sometimes they're like that, Jesse. Sometimes they're not.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Sometimes there's not animosity. Sometimes you just peacefully go your separate ways, but you still long in your heart for that person. Oh, that breaks my heart. You know what, though? At least his trophy is spelled correctly. Let's take a look at what Justin Berglander and Sandy Alcantra's trophy.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Look at this. Valuable, valuable, the most valuable pictures in MLB history proclaimed by MLB. Look at that guy. He's laughing because he knows it's misspelled. He's having a good time with it. And I just have to ask, Jesse, what the hell?
Starting point is 00:16:27 What the hell did they do in regards to the Sanyang Awards? I guess it's our duty. It's more than our duty. It's our time to throw a little shade at the MLB for their inability to spell correctly on a Siong trophy. Can we get a little music in the graphic, please? Who is responsible for this MLB? Is it arson judge?
Starting point is 00:16:59 I don't know. What the hell is going on here? Jesse, how does this design not get approved and spell checked by somebody? Well, I mean, you know, the way that they make these trophies, Derek. I mean, nobody goes back and double checks the spelling, right? Just one guy, does it? Yeah, it's just one guy. This is like you letting me tweet on the account.
Starting point is 00:17:18 This is not a good idea. There's a reason I don't let you do that. Right. There's a reason why we signed up for Twitter Blue and I am the reason. Hi, it's me. I'm the problem. It's me. MLB, you really put this in the hands of one person? I mean, it's not even a great design, if I'm being honest. It's also one of the first times they've actually used the word valuable on the Sanyang Award. It is the first time. What the fuck? Yeah. So it turns out that in recent years, I mean, this has been the case for at least as long as I'm aware, the Syung trophy did not say most valuable pitcher, which is where the misspelling came from. It said the outstanding national. link pitcher or the outstanding American link pitcher. So they had
Starting point is 00:18:00 one, this is their first shot. They had one job to simply spell the new thing correctly and they did not do that. It's not the only time this has happened in baseball. I mean, misspellings are a common occurrence. Let's take a look at some other famous misspellings that have occurred in Major League Baseball. That's
Starting point is 00:18:16 friend of the show Zach Granky right there. I mean, I understand misspelling his name. His name's kind of hard, but what else we got? The, the, oh, Milwaukee. Oh, Milwaukee. To be fair, Milwaukee is unnecessarily difficult.
Starting point is 00:18:34 It is. You're not wrong about that. There's way too many vowels. There's way too many vowels in Milwaukee. Yeah, what else? What else we got here? Sanfran Chisco. I don't, I don't know how we're spelling that extra C in there.
Starting point is 00:18:46 That's something. And come on, this was a giveaway. This was a giveaway. And you're going to misspell Troy Tulowiceki's name. Where's the T? Where's the extra T? There should be two T's of that one. In their defense, you could make a case that it should be spelled that way.
Starting point is 00:19:01 I mean, you're right. Like the T sound like kind of comes from the Z. And also, I have to say in Major League Baseball's defense, are we sure that valuable needs an A? Oh, God damn it, Jesse. Like, come on now. You're not going to question the human language. You're not going to do this. The word value doesn't have an A last time I checked.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Valuable, you could just have a U. You don't actually need the A. I don't know how he would spell four peaks if we let him. but I mean, let's be honest here. Do you want me to talk about how valuable and invaluable mean the same thing? The problem here you could argue is the English language, Derek, not Major League Baseball. The problem is you. You're the problem.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I said it was me earlier. I think it's you. But really, I get through this with our friends from Fort Peaks. So I thank them all the time. Hopnot IPA. I heard earlier in the chat someone could use one as a Gabriel. I think Gabriel needs one. It is one of the best beers that they make.
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Starting point is 00:20:42 He absolutely does. Obviously, I do as well because I have such a problem speaking it. But the Super Bowl is around the corner. So make sure to enjoy a nice four peaks beverage during the game and go to the 8th Street Pub. Check out their facility. make sure to meet your friends there, watch the game there. It's a great time. Great place to have it.
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Starting point is 00:21:44 And of course, you know what we do around here. We use the Underdog Fantasy app. We get our beers from Four Peaks. Every week, a shark week. Every day is Earth Day. and every Monday we go to the mailbag. Damon, let's go to mailbag. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Always something interesting in my mailbox. I'm trying to get to everything in my mailbox. And then once in a while there's a letter that makes me go wow. All right. Question number one, of course, comes from this guy that we miss a whole lot. Fodge, aka Jacob Franklin, asks, who in life do you miss the most right now? And why is it me?
Starting point is 00:22:23 Well, I mean, I don't, I feel like I'm going to hurt his feelings now at this. point. You just got to do it. Yeah, just Damon, if you could throw that picture back up. That's really who I miss right now in life the most right now, if I'm being honest. That's the guy. It's the most. Sorry, I don't mean to hurt his. You're leaving the audio only people in the dark. Oh, yeah. It's a picture of Paul Goldschman. It's the same one we showed earlier that broke our heart. So just so Fodge really knows that, you know, his place is definitely not number one in my heart as far as people I miss. I texted Jacob recently and told him I missed him. And I, maybe he did reply.
Starting point is 00:22:55 I was ready to say that he didn't reply. Now that I think about it, he might reply. No. Either way, it wasn't, it wasn't sufficient. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't the reply I was looking for. It was like, you're welcome, something like that. Oh, yeah. It's not much substance there.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Good for you. I don't know. All right, what we got for another question from the mailbag? Brett Lee Johnson asked, if you could pick any single season by a D-Backs bullpen pitcher to have for this upcoming 2023 team, what year of pitcher are you taking? Brett is personally got to go with young, young Kim and his 2002 season, 36 saves, 9.86 strikeouts per 9, 2.79 walk per 9, 53% crown ball rate, 2.04 ERA, 2.69 FIPP and 2.5FWR. Jesse, what are your thoughts? Is that a good, is that a good selection right there? That's probably the selection I would make. I think that's probably the best because you have to consider the era, right? I mean, 2002, like having a 2.04 ERA. 2002 is genuinely insane. We were just now getting steroids under control around that time.
Starting point is 00:23:57 There are still some sluggers smashing the ball. Of course, Kim gets a bad reputation for what happened in the World Series. I think I still hate him with every fiber by being because of it. But it's not, it's the, it's not. I thought you were about to take the high road there. Absolutely not. No, I fucking hate him. I hate him so much.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I made him so much. And it's really, it just goes to show that really just one series or one bad performance. or a couple of bad performances, I should say, really can define your career with a fan base because looking at his numbers, Kim's numbers are fantastic as a closer and arguably was the best reliever we've had in our history. What a bounceback season.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah, for sure. I mean, you talk about coming back, especially from that. Obviously, the Diamondbacks bailed them out in the World Series. It helped that they won the World Series. Right, yeah. That took a lot of the pressure off, I think. I do have a few honorable mentions to make note of here,
Starting point is 00:24:51 even I probably would just agree with Brett's answer. But there are a few remarkable seasons from D-Backs relievers that we've had in the past. Archie is one of them. Archie Bradley, a 1.74 ERA in 2017, the lowest ERA by any Diamondbacks reliever in franchise history, minimum 50 innings, 50 innings or more.
Starting point is 00:25:12 So if you look closely at the peripherals from that season, I'm not sure how legit it was. Coming back for 2018, I had a lot of doubt at the time that he would be able to repeat that. And sure enough, he wasn't, unfortunately. But that was still a remarkable year. I also think that 2012 David Hernandez underappreciated. Underappreciated.
Starting point is 00:25:34 68 in the third innings. 2.5 ERA doesn't necessarily jump off the page. But he struck out almost 13 per 9. That year, he had 2.9 walks per 9. So low walk rate, super high strikeout rate. He had a 2.08 5th that year. that was that was really impressive i'm surprised to be honest that like brad ziggler doesn't appear more on this list because i felt like he would be uh like oh but he does he does he i have i have brad ziegler
Starting point is 00:26:00 content too oh let's go so brad zickler not not i don't think he ever had a season that was like top three in in debax reliever history you could make a case for it sure um but just because of like the way he did it he did not overpower guys right he was a completely different brand of reliever You could make a case that he did have a season that was maybe among the top three in franchise history. 2015 Brad Ziegler had a 1.85 BRA with a 4.76 K per 9. So he basically struck out nobody. Yeah. And he still had a 1.85 VRA.
Starting point is 00:26:37 It's because if you- Groundballs, baby ground balls. If you go through those years of Brad, and there's several of them, several of them in a row, Brad Ziegler was outstanding for the debacks in the mid-2010s, He had ground ball rates north of 70% every single year, which is insane. Brett mentioned Biancheng Kim in 2002 a 53% ground ball rate. That's really, really high. Over 70% is just completely insane.
Starting point is 00:27:01 So I miss watching Brad Ziegler pitch because it was unlike anything else. I think we're all in agreement, though, that that 2002 season for Kim is probably the top of our list. Probably takes the cake. Yeah. All right, what do we got? Next question, Damon. 99 fan club at Zancho. Is that nacho?
Starting point is 00:27:23 I don't know. I think there's a nacho reference in there, but he says, is it pronounced data or data? I think I just answered that one. I pronounce it the way that they pronounce it on Star Trek. So it's data. Are we like an English language podcast now? That's what you've turned into today, Jesse. And this is all your fault.
Starting point is 00:27:42 People are submitting mailback questions. I know. Well, let's get to that point. I'm with you on data, although I will say it does really bother me that you can't really say this data. You have to say these data because data is plural. And so this doesn't make sense. So as you can see, I've had this inner conflict for a long time about this. I actually use both words the same way I say war and war.
Starting point is 00:28:10 So just to let you know, it depends on the situation. What else we got? Brett Lafever Lefevre Ask specific to Captain Caveman Because we all know Jesse Friedman hasn't seen Demolition Man True
Starting point is 00:28:23 But how would you use the three seashells? I got this one Jesse All right I'll take you this one Okay so the three C shells are a reference In Demolition Man To how in the future They use the bathroom
Starting point is 00:28:35 Right So it's this simple The three seashells are similar to what we see In high end toilets now But in the future they are evolved to the point where they don't use this barbaric toilet paper any longer. Okay? Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:28:52 What are you talking about? I'm sorry, I'm answering the question is what I'm doing, Jesse. One sea shell is for drying. I think you're just making up crap right now. No, no, no. No, no. One seashel is for washing, ones for drying, and one's for flushing the toilet. There's your answer.
Starting point is 00:29:04 That's what the three seashells are for in demolition, man. Look, okay. Look, in the future, they're evolved, right? So every toilet has a bidet in the future. as we all should now in 2023. I'm not going to make a gross reference in front of Jesse because he's just a boy. But if I were to rub chocolate on your arm right now,
Starting point is 00:29:24 are you going to go wipe it off with a dry paper towel? Are you going to sink and wash it off? Think about that and then go install a bidet in your house. Next question, please. All right, Brian Bobbitt says, who would be the best head coach manager of everyone in the PHNX office? Jesse, we are hurting feelings today. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Oh, you're not going to like my answer. You really built it up before the show. So you can go first. So I'm leaning in two directions here. And first I'm going to say Saul Bookman. Okay. And I hate myself for saying Saul Bookman. And I know Jesse hates me for saying Saul Bookman.
Starting point is 00:29:56 But let's be honest. Saul's everything you're looking for in a coach, right? Not only is he going to ride you and make you absolutely feel at times like you are both simultaneously worthless and the greatest human being in all of mankind. Saul is also going to have your back more than anybody else. So no matter how much Saul tries to tear you down and build you back up, he will also defend you like nobody else has defended you in your entire life. I can only imagine that man going to bat for me against an umpire or a referee. Whatever sport you want to say,
Starting point is 00:30:31 Saul is going to get tossed for you multiple times. That's the kind of manager he is. What are your thoughts? My answer is also Saul. Oh, no, we can't agree on this. Okay, well, I'll go a different direction. Emma, I think Emma would be a great sports manager coach. Emma is not taking any shit.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Let me tell you, if there's anybody in this office that isn't taking shit from anyone, it's Emma. And Emma is going to be a strict coach and manager, but she will get the best out of you. She will make you perform at levels that you didn't even believe you could perform at. I mean, that's kind of why my answer is solid. It's that it's exactly what you're saying, where there's like two, there's two sides, right? There's one side where it's like, yeah, there's a healthy like, all right, I got to get my act together for this guy. But there's also like, oh, yeah, it sounds like a really chill, just like enjoyable to be around guy. That's kind of what you.
Starting point is 00:31:24 For a time, I wondered if, I wondered if PD would be a good answer to this. Oh, yeah. I think Charles Woodall Pikes says, I mean, someone at PHS was an actual coach, though. Is that a PED reference? I think that is a PED reference. I know what PED does for a job, but I don't know. I didn't know PED was also a coach. I feel like to be like the manager, I feel like PD might be a little bit too nice of a human being for that.
Starting point is 00:31:48 But I honestly could see it. PD was a close second for me. But I think, I mean, there's a reason that Saul's RGM, right? Gabriel says, will Saul do the sprint out to the plate or will he do the slow walk to argue? He would do the sprint out. Yeah, I was going to say sprint out. The biggest reason is support of Saul. If Saul did the slow walkout, he would, he would, he would, he would,
Starting point is 00:32:11 fucking yell at you the whole time. The minute he would hit the stop top deck, he would be like, what is this bullshit? And he would just keep that line of just talking shit to you the whole way until he met you at home plate. But most of the time, it's going to be a sprint. Yeah. I mean, Saul just has an unwavering competitive mindset, right? And you very much need that in an advantage.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Saul never played pickleball before. And he made sure that he was absolutely the best pickleball. player on the court that day. When I was playing with Saul that day, I was mortified because I was like, if we lose, it's going to be my fault. And I don't know. No, we actually won. We actually did win.
Starting point is 00:32:55 But I kind of feared for my life if we had lost because when Saul is in a competitive sports environment, that man is, that man is fierce. Watch out. Watch out. This submission from Brett Johnson, do you guys, I mean, are the debacks more or less successful if this is the setup of the diamond? Arizona Diamondbacks moving forward. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I saw as the manager. Derek is the bench coach. Michaela is the bullpen coach. Well, see, fucking Michaela is just going to drive everybody out of the, every time they have a poor performance, Michaela's going to get rid of them. Jesse has the analytics department is a good call. I don't know what bench coaches do,
Starting point is 00:33:27 so that's probably a great call as well. I mean, I. Vibs guys. Yeah, vibes guy, right? Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. Fodge and Shane is benchcoats. I'm all for this lineup. DBAX win 92 games with that lineup right there.
Starting point is 00:33:39 I'm pretty sure, though, that Shane would send the guy around third base. Oh, every single time. I'm a little concerned about how that would work. He's a gambling man. He is a gambling man. Maybe we put Jacob at third base. He always takes the over.
Starting point is 00:33:54 He always takes the over. So you know he's going to try to score as many runs as possible. We could put Shane at first base, but then he'd be having, you know, everyone trying to steal bases constantly. So Seth Beer would have 80 stolen base attempts by the end of the year. Well, I think we'd figure out where he needs to go. All right. Well, of course, we thank you guys.
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Starting point is 00:35:27 I branched out this week. What did? Did you get some bar stools or something? I did. No way. Actually, there are some bar stools in my car right now. I'm so proud of you. home. So yeah, I mean, everything else is still at Chase Lounge, but, you know, if you want to sit in the bar stools when you come over, then, you know, I'm for it. There's two of them. You can put your feet up on the other one.
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Starting point is 00:36:20 And also, WrestleMania is coming up. Jesse doesn't want to hear me talk about that. But WrestleMania is coming up. The baseball season's coming up. Super Bowl's coming up. Lots of stuff to do. Not to mention, great stuff hitting Disney Plus and all the streaming services. We got Wakanda Forever tomorrow. Go get yourself a new living room. Get
Starting point is 00:36:36 yourself hooked up at more furniture.com. We got more mailbag, Monday questions, by the way. Can I interrupt? Can I interrupt the mailbag? Just real quick. Just real quick. So, and maybe we'll talk about this more
Starting point is 00:36:48 tomorrow, but I feel like we do have to acknowledge, and I think a comment was made earlier. I want to say Michael might have said this earlier. The MLB the show 23 cover athlete is Jazz Chisholm. Oh, I'll talk about it. Is former Diamondbacks top
Starting point is 00:37:02 prospect, Jazz Chisholm, traded to the Miami Marlins and the Zach gallon trade. This is bizarre, Derek, because Jazz Chisholm had sort of a break, the makings of a breakout year last year, but he played 60 games. He was hurt for like two third, more than two thirds of the season. I don't know how you put that guy on the cover of MLB the show. He has a career 104 OPS plus. He hasn't even really established himself as a good player in this league. You're making Jesse mad with the analytics. You're making me mad with just the fact that he doesn't deserve it yet.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I hope he's the most irrelevant cover athlete for the show history ever. That's what I think. It's a fascinating choice. I mean, he's young and exciting. And I think his personality, like he just, there's just something about jazz chishol that I think,
Starting point is 00:37:54 I think people really enjoy watching him play in his attitude. He talks a lot of crap, which Zach Gallin has talked about at times. But our PhDs, cover athlete is here. Sean, Josh Chisham, the cover athlete for MLB the show, 2023, your thoughts on this choice?
Starting point is 00:38:13 Bullshit. Thank you. Why the fuck are we putting a Miami Marlin on the cover of video? If you're going to put a Miami Marlin, put Sandy Alcantra, to be honest. If we're going to put one of those guys on there. Yeah, no, that makes no sense to me. I get it's cool.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I like his hair, but also, like, I mean, you look at the long lineage of people. They went from Shoahe Otani, who might be the greatest baseball player of all time to Jazz Chisholm. Come on. Brett Johnson. says Julio Rodriguez would have been so much better absolutely. For real. For real.
Starting point is 00:38:38 100% that everyone likes. He was a star and the All Star and the All-Star He had his breakout season last year. Yeah. Every the year, actual achievements on a team that actually made the playoffs. I don't know. It's upsetting. Well, let's put jazz chisel on it. Sure. Yeah. It's the personality.
Starting point is 00:38:52 That's why they did this. It really is no question. Yeah. And if you want the personality, put fucking Tim Anderson on the cover. Right. Yeah. He's not wrong about anything he said. That's why he's the MVP around here. Let's get our next. Next question for Mailbag Monday, because we could get stuck on this topic.
Starting point is 00:39:07 We'll probably talk about this more tomorrow. I'm still angry about it. So let me let it marinate a little bit for me. Gabriel asks, knock on wood. I don't like when he starts tweets, knock on wood. All right, but we have to do it now. All right, but why are the young players so resilient and healthy? What?
Starting point is 00:39:24 They all play hard and run easily fast, but yet none are out with injury? Why are we doing this? Like in years past on this team and others, is it conditioning or advanced scouting? Maybe it's not addressing it, Gabriel. Maybe it's not talking about it and cursing them. Like you just did with this tweet, what is wrong with you? They were healthy. They were healthy.
Starting point is 00:39:44 You know, who wasn't healthy? Zach Allen, a lot. So again, I put him out there as a young guy that we did not see very much because of injuries at times. I definitely see where Gabriel is coming from on this. But I will also say that it's a bit of a hot take to say the D-backs, like, young players stay healthy. when almost all of their recent first-round draft picks have needed shoulder surgery almost immediately. And I guess Gabriel's probably talking about like
Starting point is 00:40:14 Alec Thomas, Dalton Varshow, Jake McCarthy, the guys that we've seen in the majors. So I do see where you're coming from on that. I think generally speaking, young players who don't have long injury histories from their days in high school, college, the minors, whatever, generally speaking, those players are going to be, relatively healthy, right?
Starting point is 00:40:35 That's sort of why there's an advantage of having younger players on your team versus older players. Generally speaking, that's going to be the case. You're going to have a little bit better injury luck there. I will acknowledge that debacks, especially last year, had tremendous injury luck, right? It's like 2021, their injury luck was as bad as you could possibly imagine. Last year, they didn't lose that much. I mean, Nick Ahmed was out for almost the whole year.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Carson Kelly missed a couple of months there. He didn't have a great season anyway. They were luckier last year because they really didn't do what they have done now. Like we've talked about the depth that they've added this off season, which is the key. But last year they kind of got away with it to a degree. Yeah, they did not have that much starting pitching depth. But they didn't really have to use it because Gallin was healthy other than at the very beginning of the year, Merrill Kelly, 200 innings.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Zach Davies missed a few starts, but he still made 27, I want to say. you can't even in Madison Bumgarger was unnecessarily Madison Bumgarner was also I would not say it that way but Madison Bumgarner was also very durable and was available to the devax throughout the season durability was almost a problem right no he's not no we're not saying that but we are saying that yeah they definitely had guys stay healthy last year
Starting point is 00:41:53 and even the majority of the injuries were got where things guys were able to recover from and you know come back to the team Ahmed being the main exception there that you know they were it would have been nice to them to have ahmed um because heraldo perdomo really struggled offensively last year i know a lot of people are still high on him for the future which which i see where you're coming from but ammett would have given them some stability at the shortstop position especially early in the year especially late in games when the bullpen kind of blew stuff and a lot of times as much as you wanted to scream and yell about the
Starting point is 00:42:27 bullpen pitcher being at fault for that at times it was just like wow how did a defender not get to that ground ball that just kind of dribbled up that did happen that did happen on a number of occasions right all right what else we got i love this question so much elizabeth gets our question of the day uh she asks which game show do you think you'd be good at derrick seems like he would be incredible at the price is right i don't know why i'm going to tell you why elizabeth you are so you are good at i would absolutely kill on the price is right really the reason why jessey is it's this simple. The price is right as a game about retail prices and grocery markets, stores, supermarkets, all that kind of thing, right? I do all of the shopping and all of the cooking in my house. I can tell
Starting point is 00:43:10 you right now at the top of my head that a bag of sour cream and onion lays is $4.59% retail price. I can also tell you that you can get it on sale right now at Walmart for $3 a bag, saving you $1.59. But if you want your best deal, you go to Safeway. You buy two bags at $1.77 apiece. Bang, that's how you save. Over 50% off the retail price. These are, this is unnecessary information that is forever in my head. So of course I'm going to do well on prices right. I also spin wheels very well.
Starting point is 00:43:41 So price is right. We have the fortune, all that stuff. I do good on those. What do you think? You're trying to tell me that the man who thinks Arizona iced tea is worth 99 cents when he paid a $1.59 for it earlier that day. I knew that you price is an expert on the pricing industry. There is a price tag on the can.
Starting point is 00:43:58 It is part of the can. design it is not my fault that people take advantage of us so so on the price is right if they if they slapped a price tag like a bogus price tag on one of those things it would automatically be worth that price no absolutely not because there's a game where you decide if it's higher or lower than that price that's one of the games that's fair it's just one of the games i'm just saying i think i think we have ever even watched prices right i have watched prices right it's been a number of years it's i have not seen i would also do very well on supermarket suite brian adela i do you have no idea i have no idea how fast I can find items and I'm very good at riddles too what is supermarket sweep that one I don't know my
Starting point is 00:44:33 god do you know do you know that Damon yeah I've seen a little bit recently it's it's pretty cool actually I don't think Derek has left the studio because I haven't seen supermarket sweep which I swear I've never heard of in my life but Damon you're still here explain explain to me what the show is I believe like the simple concept of it is that you have to find certain items in the store okay They put them in your car. Supermarket Sweet doesn't just about finding stuff in the store. It's about knowing like taglines for items and stuff. I can't, look, I need older people to do this show with is what I need.
Starting point is 00:45:07 I need people that have seen more things. Jesse, what show would you be doing that? You want to talk about older? You want older people? Yeah, go. So, so there was a show that I want to say, I don't know the exact era, but this far predates my birth and potentially yours. Have you heard of to tell? the truth. Yes, I've heard you tell the truth. Yes. I saw like, I don't know what it, what was happening,
Starting point is 00:45:32 but I was at my parents' house one day and there was just episode after episode of this show playing on their TV. You were on the game show network. I could not get away from it. It was incredible. I don't know if I would necessarily be that great at it, but I think I would be, I think I'd be pretty decent in asking questions and figuring out what people's occupations. Okay. Yeah, you're right about that. I think so. I think that would ask cutting questions. that would, you would immediately feel found out based on one question you asked. Oh, absolutely. The other, everyone thinks I'd be good at Jeopardy.
Starting point is 00:46:05 It's like, oh, Jesse's the nerd. Of course he's good at Jeopardy, but no. Not under pressure. I don't. I don't, I don't. Oh, wow. You think I pulled under pressure. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I'm not even going to acknowledge that comment. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Oh, yeah. Back in the day, right? Jeff Foxworthy, I had the computer game. And I would play. You were often smarter than the fifth grader. And I was in fourth grade.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I was smarter than that. No, I don't think I want it in fourth grade. To be fair, that the premise of are you smarter than fifth grader is absurd because there is no fifth grader on the planet who knows every single thing that was brought up in there. I actually in- You know they study that stuff in fifth grade. That's the purpose of those questions, right? So they probably do know that stuff off the top of their head? No, but they don't.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Oh, come on. As a person who was a teacher a year ago, I can say that it is pretty unrealistic to expect someone to know every single thing in their textbooks at any given time. That's just that's just not true. I tried to play Family Feud. I am familiar with Family Feud, but I wasn't totally sure how good I was at it. And so I Googled it. It turns out you can play Family Feud online. And I found out very quickly that I'm not good at Family Feud.
Starting point is 00:47:24 So there's that. All right. All right. Well, I think we've incurred. I think cash cap for you. Cash cap would be good. And that's there. That's another one. I don't know. Chris said that Jesse, we need Jesse on a Japanese game show. Yes, something with explosions maybe or a pit, foam pit that Jesse has to like cross a beam pass or something. Yes, that would be right up my alley. For sure. All right. We got one last question with a follow-up question. A Don's bread, notorious troublemaker asks, is a hot dog. a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:47:57 I have to point out that Don's bread did not spell sandwich correctly. But it kind of falls perfectly in line with the theme of this entire show. It's a very valuable question. Yeah. It's a very valuable question. Is it a hot dog a sandwich, Jesse? I would say a hot dog is a sandwich. You'd be wrong.
Starting point is 00:48:13 I would say it's a sandwich. It's wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. If you start getting into this, the honest of God truth is the difference between a sandwich and anything else is the vertical orientation of the bread, right? vertical versus orientation of the bread
Starting point is 00:48:28 vertical versus horizontal if you're having yourself a sandwich it's horizontally laid out I don't care if you want to cut the top of your bread like Subway does and we want to have an argument about that that's fine still when they wrap your sandwich
Starting point is 00:48:40 What do you mean? The orientation of the item itself a hot dog is the slit is up you put the meat down it stays that way it's like a taco because if you start saying a fucking hot dog is a sandwich a taco is a sandwich
Starting point is 00:48:54 A burrito is a sandwich. Everything else is a sandwich. Everything is a sandwich. If you start saying a hot dog is a sandwich, we have to have rules around here. And the rule is a hot dog is not a sandwich. That's why we fucking call it a hot dog. That's the rule. Have you ever heard someone call it a hot dog sandwich unless it was hot dogs cut in half and laid on bread?
Starting point is 00:49:11 Never. Not once in your life. Have you ever heard someone call it a hot dog sandwich? I mean, I'm not saying people should call it that in everyday life. But I think if you're just thinking about the technical definition of a sandwich, it has to be that, right? It's bread and there's meat inside of the bread. Like, it's not that complicated, Derek. Don't give me all this crap about the orientation of the bread.
Starting point is 00:49:33 Yeah, I'm fucking giving you fucking a crap about the orientation of the bread. I regularly make, you know, like those Hawaiian sweet rolls that are so like buttery and delicious and amazing. I make sandwiches with Hawaiian sweet rolls. And it's very, very similar. It's like you just like open it, right? Just like you would a hot dog bun. And then you put your meat and cheese. and mayo and whatever inside.
Starting point is 00:49:55 How do you eat it? Do you eat it like this? Do you eat it with the sling open on top? Are you trying to tell me it depends on the formation of your hands when you need it? I said it's on the fucking horizontal or vertical orientation of the fucking item is what I said. I think the people in the comments agree with me, Dave. No, they're not. They're not.
Starting point is 00:50:12 You can say it's again, so everything. See, Gabriel said, so is Beef Wellington a sandwich then, Jesse? Is Beef Wellington a sandwich? You don't even know what Beef Wellington is. What Beef Wellington is. Wellington is a meat. It's a meat wrapped. It's a meat wrapped in a puff pastry.
Starting point is 00:50:29 And then you cut it and then it's got like it's, yeah. I would have to see like a picture of it. I don't think that would be a sandwich. No, well, neither is a hot dog. Neither is a hot dog. Can we get the follow up question? Because this one might be more important. Is cereal soup, Jesse?
Starting point is 00:50:45 I haven't put much thought into this one. Is cereal soup? I mean, I guess the fundamental question, what it's going to come down to? you is doesn't matter whether it's hot or cold, right? No, because soup can be served cold. There's several soups that are served cold. What?
Starting point is 00:51:01 Like what? I wasn't prepared to look up cold soups for you, but I'm just saying in this situation. Now, what I will say, what I will say is even a cold soup is still cooked to a certain degree. This is merely just adding milk to an item. Like you can add milk to anything. Does it make it soup?
Starting point is 00:51:19 Do I put fucking water on something that makes it soup? No. The answer is no. cereal is not a soup. Yeah, I would say cereal is not a soup as well, but I just can't quite figure how to get there. It's like if cereal is a soup, then we have bigger problems. You know, the world is cold.
Starting point is 00:51:32 There you go. Okay, but. Yeah, see, just because you don't believe in it as a soup, doesn't mean there are cold soups out there. There are cold soups out there. No, there can be cold soups out there. It's just cereal just can't be one of them. I don't know where we have to draw the line, but cereal is can't be one.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Yeah, we have to draw the line somewhere. Just like sandwiches. Just like what sandwiches. We have to draw the line somewhere. Or you're just ordering burrito fucking sandwiches now. Ryan said what about a euro, which is an interesting question. Exactly. I think I would call a euro a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Then burritos are sand. Then everything's a sandwich. No. Everything's a camera. If you fucking take a roll and put it around your fucking chicken in any way, shape, or form, it's a sandwich now. No, I wouldn't go that far. Tacos are not sandwiches. I mean, you either have like a hard shell or you have a soft, but that's not like bread.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Like that's a, that's a tortilla. That's just different. So I acknowledge that that's a little bit dicey territory, but I think it's pretty clear that a hot dog. You heard of you. You guys. I still never like. You were agreeing with them earlier. I hope you feel shame that you were agreeing.
Starting point is 00:52:40 The bread argument earlier doesn't make any sense to me at all. It absolutely should. If that's the only way that we can make a hot dog not a sandwich, then I'm not going there. No, I'll tell you, vertical orientation of said bread. But regardless, if you agree with us or not, it doesn't matter. You're going to need to make a graphic of what you mean. I still don't understand. I'm going to make a graphic.
Starting point is 00:53:01 No, tomorrow I'm going to bring a PowerPoint on why a hot dog is a sandwich. And we're going to go over this again in the third quarter of this show. But in the meantime, you guys can grab your drafting sportsbook gap. I wish there were odds on this. I wish there were odds on whether or not a sandwich or a hot dog is a sandwich. because I would take whatever the over or under is. I don't know how that would work. But that doesn't really.
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Starting point is 00:55:42 We always appreciate you being here. In the meantime, you can follow us on Twitter. I'm at cap underscore caveman with the k. Jesse is at Jesse and Friedman. Our show is at PHNX underscore D-Bax. By the way, speaking of PHNXDBax, we got some stuff to give away, you guys. This is courtesy of the birthday girl herself, Chris.
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Starting point is 00:56:21 But, of course, we appreciate you guys so much. We're going to give all this stuff away. So make sure to follow us. Let's hit 5K. Thank you, Elizabeth, for your wonderful question. And for Carl, he's not going to stop staring at pictures of Timothy Chalamey all day long. So that's going to be a problem. But they don't really see their resemblance.
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Starting point is 00:56:55 And remember, kids, baseball is fun, but it's so much more fun when all of your prospects are on all of the top 100 lists.

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