PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Reno 1.115

Episode Date: September 30, 2021

On this episode, Derek and Jesse provide an update on TANK SZN, discuss if Alek Thomas' numbers in Reno are for real, and request the MLB disavows the San Francisco Giants' City Connect Jerseys. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to the PHNX Debax podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Montia, occasionally known as Mr. Parley and the mayor of PHNX. In regards to that, this show is brought to you by the Draft King Sportsbook app, America's top-rated sportsbook app. Go download the Draft King Sportsbook app now. Use our code of PHNX. And for betting $1 on any college or NFL game this weekend, you will get $150 in free bets instantly. Thank you guys so much for joining me. Of course, I am joined by my friend,

my co-host, and the guy that holds me down, it's Thunderstick Jesse Friedman. Jesse, what's going on with the Arizona Diamondbacks? You know, yesterday was okay, I guess. I mean, it wasn't a great game, but they also didn't embarrass themselves. There were some non-ideal ways of kind of digging a hole for themselves with the wild pitches and walking in runs, which they did twice. Not the prettiest baseball game they've played. But hey, I know you're happy, Derek, because the Baltimore Orioles. The Baltimore Orioles won yesterday.

They beat the Red Sox, which was actually huge. Red Sox fans were super angry last night. Furious. For a pretty good reason. I mean, that's not a very good baseball team that they lost to. So Diamondbacks have Diamondbacks in a good spot right now. We were just talking about Baltimore having the advantage because of those, the six games they have left versus the six games on the D-BACs.

schedule. In fact, yesterday's episode was titled Advantage Baltimore and Jesse, I want to go out on a limb here and say, Advantage D-backs, Advantage Arizona. They now have that one game lead in the Tankathon rankings, and they are in position to get that number one draft. Again, like you said, it was an ugly game yesterday, not exactly what you want to see. Josh Rojas had some issues at shortstop, but then redeemed himself with a pretty incredible play. Luke Weaver definitely not impressive. I just still, despite all of all of his shortcomings this year, all of the ups and downs, I still think Luke Weaver deep down inside is going to be a tremendous pitcher. I just, I'm not sure anymore if that is going to be in a starting rotation. He's, he just doesn't look like a starter right now. He kind of looks like a guy. I tweeted

this yesterday when I was watching the game. He has two pitches, Derek, and it's pretty hard to to survive as a major league starter for very long when you only have two pitches. I hate that so... I hate that so much in MLB, the show when all of a sudden the guy shows up and his pitch selection is two pitches.

I don't even know what to do with that. I'm like, what is it? What? What? This is it? You know, and it's, like you said, it's usually in the video game world, a reliever. and usually in the real life also coincides with more of a relief role, right? At the very most, maybe a closer, right? But still not, you know, not necessarily what you expect. Like, you're not Randy Johnson, so you're not going to go out there and use two pitches effectively to dominate.

And Luke Weaver has shown moments of brilliance, but in, you know, in sectional kind of ways. he's had certain games where, you know, he gave an amazing four innings and then after that everything fell apart really quickly, you know, once they start getting around that second time through the rotation. So I don't know if that is necessarily in his future or not. I just wouldn't be surprised to see him, you know, in a relief role. The Diamondbacks right now are in need of relievers. If that conversion happens and their rotation can be fulfilled with starting pitch,

that can get the job done, which they've proven to have more than five at times this season, at least five that have been doing it better than we've. That's a little generous, Derek. No, no, no. Which five? Name these five for me. All right, all right. We got Gallin and Bumgardner, right?

I think, honestly, Taylor Widener has starting in his future. I think, they moved into the bullpen for a reason, Derek. I don't know about that. Castiana. Well, like, that's what I'm saying, though. Like, it's amazing to me that I guess maybe it is the lack of bodies or options that allow Weaver to stay in the starting rotation. I'm surprised we haven't seen that move from Lobolo. And I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the future. It's obviously contingent on, you know, the acquisition of another starting pitcher that can really help bolster this rotation. But I definitely think the Diamondbacks have the ability to move. Some of these guys that, you know, still have a lot of success in their future, but not, maybe not as starters around. Their relief pitcher situation has been just catastrophic at times this season. So I just want to see them kind of make some moves like that that can benefit not only the player, but the team as well. You know, you know Luke Weaver wants to start.

I mean, obviously this is, I mean, and every guy does, right? there's really no one who gets moved to the bullpen and that's what they want. It's like asking if a reliever wants to be a closer, right? Of course they do, right? A closer is that role. Not only does it, does it usually pay more and is kind of a bit more prestigious title, but, you know, it's, it's that dominance. It's that feeling that you are their best reliever and you are the one that can come down

and just, you know, close down games. There was an article not long ago from Zach. Buchanan over at the athletic where he talked about Luke Weaver and this problem that he has, right, where he throws two pitches. And Zach Buchanan made a connection with Kevin Gosman of the San Francisco Giants, who has had a breakout year this season. And he is also a two pitch pitcher. He's fastball splitter. That's basically all he throws. And he has a sub three ERA. He's been really, really good this season. So I don't want to make the argument that, you know, if you only have two two pitches that it is impossible to be good in this league.

That's not true. We see guys where that is where that is very possible. It's all about locating at that point, right? It's all about locating. And if you watch the game yesterday, what you saw is Luke Weaver have some pretty good movement and especially great life on his fastball and the change up was moving all over the place. The problem is that he almost never threw a change up for a strike.

And that pitch just becomes less and less viable, the more. the game goes on and he continues to not be able to throw it in there for the strike. Guys see that. They notice that. And if he's not going to be able to throw it for a strike, then it's just not as much of a temptation for them. And they're going to start laying off of it as much as they possibly can. Right.

If they recognize change up coming out of the pitcher's arm, they're just immediately going to decide they're not going to swing because it's just not going to land in the zone. And Luke Weaver has really struggled lately to put that pitch in the zone and make it a little bit more enticing for guys. Gotcha. Yeah, and that makes sense. I mean, we've seen Zach Gallen kind of regress on his use of the change up this season. And even when it was brought up to Tori LeVolo, I know I discussed it with Jack Summers from AZ Snake Pit and he brought it up to LaVolo after that exact game. And LeVolo almost sounded like he was not concerned, but he was aware of it and didn't really want to see Zach Gallen move away from it, but he doesn't manage.

It's a filthy pitch. I mean, the Zach Gallen change up. Yeah, it's, it's one of the best. It's like, it's his curveball is incredible, right? And we saw him not use that in the first half of the season, but then increase the usage of it in the second half and have success with it, right? Especially in that game against L.A., I mean, he was, he was just on point. It was the Zach Gallen that we were questioning if we would even see again.

And not only did we see him, we saw him against one of the best teams in the league dominate, I would say. I mean, one run, it was an incredible night. I still can't stop talking about. Listen to me. You love that game. It's going to be like two years from now. You're still going to be like, oh, man, Saturday game in September. There was this lady throwing up at a trash can.

There was a blow-up sex doll being passed around. It was a good time. But yeah, no, I mean, the Arizona Diamondbacks right now, I think, do have a lot of good to, build on. We've said it all season long that this team is not as bad as the record indicates. And sometimes in sports having a terrible season like this with a team that isn't actually as bad as it looks on paper is a blessing in disguise for the future. I can think of several times in different sports where, you know, there was a star player that went down or something of the sort that caused that team to go from being a good team to being a very, very bad team. And it

it resulted in them getting a high draft pick that changed their franchise ultimately. I don't know if Elijah Green or whoever the Arizona Diamondbacks would select with the number one pick would be that. There's no way to tell in baseball. It's, again, just too fickle of a sport. It's too fickle of a draft. And there's too many options and outs for these players. Not to say that a number one draft pick would opt out, but they could.

I mean, anybody can opt out. if they're a high school player and they're going into college and they decide they don't want to go to the team that drafts them, they can just opt out and go to college. They don't have to forego that college eligibility in order to go into the draft. It's much different than other sports and it adds to the complexity of not only that, which involves them mostly drafting high school kids, but it also goes into the complexity of how a player comes up in a system for a professional team and becomes a player. Like if everybody went to college, four years of college, you know, guys would be coming out as like 32, 33 year old rookies when they finally hit the majors.

Like, I understand definitely why they're trying to draft player so young. It's just, the MLB draft is still one of the most complicated, confusing things to me as far as, you know, your selection and what you use your pick on. it goes back to why I kind of understand what, you know, Mike Hazen was saying about not wanting the number one draft pick. At the end of the day, do the debacks really not want the number one draft pick? No, not at all. They absolutely want to control their own destiny as far as draft picks are concerned, and they want to be able to pick the guy that they feel is going to benefit their team the most. However, if they do draft someone and they, let's say they pass on Elijah Green and the Orioles

draft him at number two. They forever have to live with that connection to passing on the guy that everybody said was number one. If he goes on to do great things, it's an embarrassment to this franchise that they passed up on a generational talent like that. Well, speaking of young players coming up, just to pivot slightly,

did you see that Geraldo Perdomo double yesterday? Yeah, of course I did. That was the moment that I said, he looked like a six-year vet. in the league, you know, I mean, it was amazing to see him step up in that situation with the game on the line against someone that was throwing, what, like 102 miles an hour, DeVal just, just gas, right? And he just stepped in the box and got himself not only a hit, but in scoring position and put the tying run at the plate. Yeah. That's, that's a big time moment. I, you know,

I don't know. I know that, okay, it's baseball. He went out and did good. good. This is a guy. We've been waiting to see good things out of quite a bit, but it's very encouraging. And again, this is the reason why now is the time to bring these guys up. Ice water in the veins. You know, you can see that in a moment like that. LeVolo knows that that's a guy he could count on. He can, he knows that now that Perdomo is a guy that is ready at a major league level simply with that one hit. And of course, I'm insane, just based on one play over a guy. But it's, it's the truth. I mean, sometimes it's, it's moments like that that really make you go, holy crap, this guy is, he's a big, he's a big league player now, you know.

It was, I mean, it was a cold night in San Francisco. We know the ball doesn't really fly there. And it wasn't like a ground ball down the line sort of double. You know, sometimes it skips off the bag or something. You kind of get away with it. It was over. Yeah, yeah, but it was over 103 miles an hour off the bat, basically straightaway center field. I mean, it's the, it was the kind of hit that, yeah, I mean, kids, 21 years.

years old there. We're, I, I'm pretty excited. I mean, that was, that was pretty much everything I would want to see from Geraldo Perdomo. And hopefully we get to see more of that here in the next few games, right? Nick Ahmed isn't here. Josh Rojas played a pretty rough game in shortstop last night. So Perdomo, you know, he's probably going to be in the lineup today and, and hopefully several more times here for the rest of the season. Where does Josh Rojas fit in? Let's just play devil's advocate. it because, you know, let's say Perdomo eventually is slated to take over, you know, shortstop.

Yeah, you know, move Marte back to second base, get him out of center field. Where does Josh Rojas fit in with this team? I think he's probably, he's probably corner outfield, I think, plus just utility guy, so he can cover it second and he can cover it third. We know the injuries are inevitable, right?

There's going to be opportunities there. Sure. But I don't, I don't, I don't want to see much more of Josh Rojas at shortstop, if I'm being honest. I think he's just, you know, there's, it's one thing to be a utility guy, but asking utility guys to play shortstop is another, is a whole other deal, right? That position is just more demanding than anywhere else on the diamond. And I think Rojas has shown us that they're just not going to want to give him a whole lot

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Just with us. your fellow members of the PHNX family. And we'd love to have you. We can't wait to talk about sports all the time. Jesse and I are, you know, just kind of, we're kind of fools for this game of baseball. And I am a fool for good things that happen in Reno, Jesse. They always, they always get me.

You get really starry-eyed pretty easily. How is it? How is, how can you not? How can you not? You must have been a really gullible child. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I still am gullible.

You're kidding? You know why? I believe that Alec Thomas is for real, Jesse. That's how gullible I am. I feel that this man, I'm not going to call him a young man. I'm not going to call him a boy. I'm going to call him a man. I'm going to say it like that because that's what he is.

He is killing it for the Reno Aces. And when you talk about the whole, that guys like Perdomo and Seth Beer and others give you, I ask you, I beg you, I implore you to please look at Alec Thomas's numbers and what he's doing this season for the Reno Aces. It's incredible. 375, 441 on base, 674. 674, 674, with a 1.115 OPS.

He has 18 home runs in 144 at that. Oh my gosh. Jesse, that is a home run every 12.5%, 12.5% percent, 12 and a half percent rate of hitting home runs. 12 and a half percent of the time that he stands at the plate and doesn't walk, he hits a home run. This kid, I mean, like you said earlier this week, the Reno Ace's Twitter account has become like an Alec Thomas Stan account. It's just night after night, highlight after highlight of what this guy is doing for the Aces. Very unassuming character, right? When you look at what he's done in the past, his numbers are surprising.

I think he's always been a consistent hitter, but what he's been doing for the Reno Aces just has to floor you. But again, it's for Reno, right? Yeah, I mean, you might be gullible in general, Derek. but I think this time, I think you're actually not, not too far off. I mean, he was, he was not performing to that degree in AA, but still posted some really good numbers. And AA is not really known to be as much of a hitter's environment. It's a little bit more so now with Amarillo as opposed to where the diamond backs were before. But nonetheless, I mean, in AA 283, 374-507, those are already some really good numbers.

and then, I mean, like you said, just ridiculous numbers so far, so far with Reno. And yeah, I mean, this kid is for real, Derek. I mean, I don't think there's a question about it. Obviously, he still has one more step to take. And that's the biggest step in his journey as he transitions into being a major league player, hopefully early next season. And we get to see him, you know, try to figure out how to hit major league pitching, which of course will be, you know, another big challenge, another big step for him to take.

But right now, I mean, he's, he looks every bit like the, you know, the outfielder of the future. I don't know if it's going to be center field or maybe eventually he moves to a corner at some point once Corbyn Carroll or, you know, some other guy takes over in center. But he is legit. I mean, he is, he is only 511 175. But I mean, this guy is hitting tanks right now in the minor leagues. And for a guy who has his quickness, his speed, his defensive potential, there's just so much

to be excited about with this guy right now. There absolutely is. And, you know, the one thing I also like about the Diamondbacks right now is when you look at their top 10 list, if you take out, top 10 prospects, you take out Pardomo. You take out Christian Robinson in his situation just based on that being very complicated and the likelihood that his, not only his progression, but his route to the major league, to the big leagues is going to be definitely detoured and slowed down. what you have outside of the top three, Jordan Lawler, Corbyn, Carol, Alec Thomas is a bunch of pitchers. And I'm excited about the way that this has gone.

I'm excited for the future because I think right now those three guys, Lawler, Carol, and Thomas are really poised to be very, very big impact players for this team. But then you have, you know, Walsston, Ryan Nelson, Bryce Jarvis, Slade Sassone. There are some good arms that are on the way, which is something the Diamondbacks are desperately in need of.

Some of them aren't that far away. I think Ryan Nelson is projected to be here next season. Alec Thomas projected to be here next season. And then after that, you kind of have the rest of the guys projected to be here the following year, the only guy right now that's slated in the top 10 to be here after 2023 is Jordan Wallach and AJ Vukovic. So those two guys are the only ones that we expect to see after that. But even Vukovic's progression could be, you know, kind of expedited based on need.

And he's a great third baseman as well. So there's just, there's a lot of things to really like about these, these kids. But I don't know. There's something about, there's something about Alec Thomas and his stature and his demeanor. He's definitely not the, what we, what we talk about when we talk about other guys and how they look to be, major league players already or major leaguers like not to knock his stature but alec thomas is very unassuming for his power that he's shown in reno i think right his numbers and everything about him just it doesn't doesn't make sense that he's he has you know these numbers that he's put up

this year a 674 slugging percentage is just stupid but nothing gets dumber than his godlike 1.115 of OPS. You know, like, that doesn't, that doesn't even make sense to me. He's good, man. I mean, he's 21 years old. It's just, uh, there's, and I know that like there. I know the slugging percentage plays in strongly, you know, to the OPS, but still, it's just one of those things that like, man, I just can't believe, um, you know, these numbers that he's putting up. It makes it, you know, again, it makes things very exciting. And it makes me feel like the, the I'm a backs might be better than we're giving them credit for sooner than we think. Yeah.

You know, I could see as early as as 2023 if they have the right combination of young talent, you know, some of these existing guys that have flourished and a couple of free agents, you know, a big name or two, things could be, things could be popping by 2023. Amidst all the talk, all of the talk about tank season and all of your silliness, Derek. I don't want our audience to miss what you're saying right now, which is that even though, you know, obviously we would love to see them get the first overall pick and there's, you know, some great things they can come out of that.

You're absolutely right. I've seen some negativity on Twitter lately, just that, you know, this team is lost, especially for people who didn't like them bringing back Tori Lavello and just how they're going to be stuck in this rut for many, many years to come. This is the reality of the Diamondbacks. They are a very bad team with a very good farm system. And that is not, there are much worse positions to be in, right? There are other teams who might even envy where the Diamondbacks are in some ways,

just because their future is actually pretty bright in some ways. And obviously some things have to go their way. Alex Thomas needs to do this at the major league level. Geraldo Perdomo needs to, you know, have more than just one double in a Giants game that gets us excited. Yeah. But there, I mean, you're right. There's a lot of pitchers who are due to come up, maybe in the next year or two. A lot of, a lot of those guys took big steps forward in double A or even AAA in the case of

Luis Frius, even all the way up to the majors. Right. And the next year or two, we're going to see these guys in the majors. And this really could be the start of the next great Diamondbacks team. And maybe that doesn't happen next year or even 2023. But it's probably, you know, it's not, it's not unreasonable to say it could happen a whole lot sooner than I think people think right now. I'm going to give one more piece of positivity before we move on, and that is, as much as

we hate the Madison Bumgarner contract, and as much as we think he might not fit the timeline, maybe he's a very valuable piece to this team when these pitchers specifically start coming up, and he's still around until 2024, right? I'm not saying that there's been some things that aren't very encouraging to, to think that he's going to have that long of a career at being a high-level pitcher. However, I think that there's a lot that he could pass along, even though he's not that kind of guy, to the younger staff. And who knows?

I mean, maybe he embraces that role a bit as he gets older. Maybe his knowledge that he can pass down can be very valuable. And almost, I hate to say this, because of course, this isn't true, but maybe worth every guy eventually if these guys, these prospects, Nelson, Walston, Jarvis can turn into some, you know, big time starters for this team. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think at times maybe we overstate a little bit the, you know, the impact the veteran guys can have. I mean, if Madison Bumgarner in a year or two has an ERA of six and a half, I'm not sure if everyone's going to be, you know, just super stoked to watch. his bullpen sessions and glean everything they can every day. But I see your play. But Jesse, it's easy to be that negative, right? I mean, that's why, like, even tank season isn't a negative thing. It's a positive thing.

You could sit here and be miserable about what this team is doing right now. But again, I ask what, what are the pot? How many playoff games are the Padreys going to be playing? I ask you, how many games are the Rockies who have had an incredible record in the second half going to be playing in the playoffs? Zero. The same amount as the Arizona Diamondbacks. The only difference is the Arizona Diamondbacks have the ability right now to get a guy that can really add to all of this excitement for the future, right?

Again, drafting a guy next season means that he's probably not even going to be around for this entire timeline that I'm talking about. But who cares? Get him in the system. Get the best player you can. You know, even if it eventually means potentially trading him for a big name or whatever the case, I don't care. You're already talking about trading Elijah Green. Hey, I'm saying, I'm saying that the one thing with baseball is that I will take a proven All-Star at a major league level than someone who's supposed to be an All-Star at a later time. Having a player like that in your organization is very valuable for a number of reasons.

And that's my main thing with Tank season is that's what I want for the Arizona Diamondbacks. I also think that's sitting here wearing a tank top with a little tank toy in front of me. I feel like I've really embraced, you know, the excitement of the season, which it's tank season. You have a tank toy. I have a tank toy. I have a tank top on. I, you know, it's, it is what it is. But I don't really believe the Arizona Diamondbacks are tanking on purpose.

Last night, what I saw was a legitimate effort by them. Things just, like you said, with starting pitching and such, things just did. didn't go their way, but I felt like they were in the game the whole time, and I felt like they gave a full effort. They also don't need to, in my opinion, stop all that. You got five games left. Let's wear some new shirts. Let's get some hula shirts out or something, some button-up jobs like I wear, and let's go on vacation

early. With that being said, I'm on vacation because I have won $1,800 using the Draft King Sportsbook app, and you might be able to do something similar like that. probably not that $1,800. I tried to just let that pass, but let's just move on. Just as a reminder, you guys can go, you guys could shoot for the stars just like I did using the drafting sportsbook app. And if you use our code PHNX for simply betting $1 on any college or any NFL game,

you will get $150 in free bets instantly. And yes, Jesse, I have won $1,800. Actually, I believe it came out to 1950. but however I did put some money into that I don't like I don't like to talk about the money I put in I just like to talk about the money I've taken Sure, sure which again remember draft Kings is safe and secure and you can pull your money out whenever you want to I would pull my money out and I think one of these days I might use some of that money to go get me a Dback City Connect Las Serpientas jersey Jesse after talking about it the other day I can't stop thinking about how much I want one You know what I won't buy though ever as long as I live.

live. I surely hope not. It's the San Francisco Giant City Connect jersey. That thing is awful, Jesse. It is awful. It's horrible. It's bad for so many reasons. I remember seeing it when the season started and they showed all the jerseys and I went through the selection and I was like, boy, the Giants one is bad.

I had no idea how bad it would look actually on human beings. Living, breathing human beings. That's an awful jersey. It's an awful look. Top to bottom. I hate the whole thing, but you know what I hate the most, the stupid little Golden Gate Bridge on the sleeve. That I hate so much. A friend of mine that's a Giants fan contacted me and he attacked me and said,

we're not allowed to talk until we bring back the purple uniforms, which I kind of agree with. He also said that San Francisco really missed the mark because something like the Warriors did was, you know, embraced how big their Asian community is in the San Francisco area. And he would have loved to see something like that. with some Japanese or Chinese symbols or something on the jersey similar to the city jersey the Warriors had. I thought that was a great suggestion to make that hideous thing, Jersey. I, better.

I hate the clouds. There's, why are there clouds? Yeah, it's like, it's fog. It's like, it's like San Francisco fog. It's stupid.

Which, I mean, I guess I understand, but like weather doesn't feel that important. It's absolutely not that. We're going to have sons. We're going to have a team called the suns here in Phoenix. Thanks, Jesse, what kind of stupid crap is that?

That'd be ridiculous. Right. I will say that the coyotes guys had an article today, which I strongly remember this period of time. But, you know, we talked about the best jerseys in Arizona recently. And we talked about the coyotes, white Kachina jersey coming back and how popular it is, how much people, you know, are embracing that look, the whole Kachina design, the original logo and such that the coyotes have. And of course, this takes me back to the original Diamondbacks and wanting this good old purple and teal and copper look back.

But I also remember people really hating the coyote stuff at the time, right? So it's so funny to me now to live through the entire life cycle of a jersey going from being kind of loath based on how busy and different it was to being fully embraced by not only, you know, fans of the team, but seemingly everyone in the sport, right? I don't think that will ever happen with these god-awful San Francisco giant city jerseys. Never. They will never be embraced. They'll be like those Arizona Dibberbacks ones that were the future jerseys. You remember those future jerseys where it was supposed to be from 20, 46 or something stupid? Oh, those were bad.

I remember, well, actually, so I was reading an article from ESPN from a while back. They ranked all of the City Connect jerseys. There's only seven of them, actually. The Diamondbacks are one of seven teams that have a City Connect jersey. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, I was, I actually didn't know that. I thought, yeah, I thought there was more too. I definitely thought there were more.

Apparently by 2023, they want to sort of phase it in for all 30 teams. But right now there's only seven. And those teams are, I think I had it here. Those teams are the White Sox, the Diamondbacks, the Red Sox, the Cubs, the Dodgers, the Marlins, and the Giants. Those are the 17. That's right. The White Sox had that Southside logo with the old English, and that one was by far the best.

That one is by far the best. And that's what the ESPN article says. They have that one, number one. They have Los Serbientes. They have us number four. And which is, you know, right, smack dab in the middle of the pack. I think it's respectable. Who's above us besides Chicago White Sox?

We have the White Sox. Then we have the Marlins are number two. The Red Sox are number three. Okay. I like all of there. So as long as I didn't like the Wrigleyville ones for the Cubs. So as long as they want. Rigleyville is sixth. Yeah.

And the Dodgers are seventh because that was just, do you see the Dodgers one? It's basically their regular uniform just like darker blue. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I hate the Dodgers, but I got to admit when I see their uniform, I'm like, yeah, it's a good uniform.

It's a good look. This, this Giants uniform. though they have a they have a quote in here from kevin gosman who is not on board with their uniform and he said i think there's so much more that goes into the city than fog yes yes and a bridge right i don't know man i've been to san francisco it's a beautiful city uh and that ballpark by far is one of my favorite in baseball there's so there's so much imagery and so much different things you could have done with that i just It hurt my eyes.

It was, like, offensive to look at. I can't explain it. And it's not even that bad. I know it's not that bad. I know how ridiculous I'm being. But I hated it. I was like, like, people say things like, oh, that made me want to throw up. Those jerseys nauseated me.

And I mean that in every possible way. The G is just boring. It's just like it's just the G. There's nothing. It's bad. And that's like the orange piping. that goes down, like, right from the side to, like, the pants, I believe. And it's like, it's the whole outfit.

It looks very sterile and, like, hospital-like. I don't know how to explain. I can't. I just don't like it. It makes me upset. It makes the Serpentis ones look much better. Yes. I'm starting to really enjoy them.

By comparison, even though my friend Rock, who hates on everything. So it's okay for him to hate on this, hates them so much. I do not. And I still want one. So maybe, I don't know, maybe if any members of the Deabaks are listening to this show, I don't know, maybe it hooked me and Jesse up with a couple of the mayor and Thunderstick jersey. I don't know. There you go.

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