PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - REPORT: Diamondbacks Among Teams Expected To Pursue Paul Goldschmidt This Winter

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

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Welcome in to another edition of the PHNX Deepax podcast right here on PHNX. My name is Derek Monti occasionally known as Bob Belcher. This man next to me never misses when it comes to the strike zone. It's the one and only Thunderstick, Jess and Friedman. And, of course, the very non-festive over here, Archie Bradley. I've got the worst co-podcasters than the freaking weird now, dude. Like the whole office. I look like a monster walking in just in street clothes.

Thanks, guys. And that's Lordus Gordial over there. Thanks to Shane for that point. Not even king-sized candy bars here. Right. No, I'm sorry. We have pumpkin bread. We have pumpkin bread.

It's the best we can do. But welcome in, of course, to the off-season. and welcome into the PHNX Diamondback show. Once again, no more post-game coverage of those other teams. We're talking about the D-backs. But of course, we do know, unfortunately, that that other D team from the National League West won the World Series last night.

The Dodgers are our champions. And, of course, we've got to get your thoughts on game five and this series overall. You got to tip your cap. I mean, overcoming the early Flaherty start, you know, that fifth inning was just disaster. But again, you just watch the series. The Dodgers outplayed the Yankees.

They capitalized. We were talking about a little before. In my opinion, this new wave of baseball, you can talk about all you want. But some of the key fundamentals for why the Dodgers won the World Series were old school, underlying principles of how and why you play baseball hard and do things a certain way. And they're the champions, man. So that's, you know, I talk about the shoes, a little nod to the Dodgers. Dodgers, my red, white, and blues.

Congrats, LA. You guys deserved it, especially doing it in New York. You always probably want to celebrate at home in front of your friends, but to do it in New York in front of those Yankee fans, they did it their way. Yeah. Was it more Rizzo's fault or Garrett Cole's fault on the slow roller to first base? Seems like a combination of both.

We've talked about that, right? I think we've had actually discussions about Goldie and CWalk and what that means. And Rizzo is a gold glove quality first base. but both, right? Like, you got to get that out. I, you assume your guy's going to be there. He assumes he's going to be there. I can't speak for either guy.

They're probably, I mean, they both are professionals. They both said it should have been them, but it is. You know, I'm sure somewhere, you know, maybe John Brinkas can break down the distance that Rizzo was compared to Cole. Yeah. Who actually should have been there. But just unfortunate fifth inning, man. I mean, it was.

I mean, there's so many mistakes in that fifth inning that if you take any single one of them out, you change the outcome potentially of this game, especially with how close it was. And again, no team has come back from 5-0 in a clinching game. You know, there's not taking anything away from the Dodgers here. And they are the champions. It just would have been great to see what happens if they get on that plan and go back to L.A. Obviously, that's the whole point of this. You can't speculate. At the end of the day, what they're really able to do yesterday or the most, or the most,

bullpen game and you know the way that that um uh happened you know it allowed them to be able to go some guys that they again were able to have fresh and capitalize on these big innings and big moments um where even you know the the yankees just just fighting the whole the whole time and and having to use guys in bigger situations and um just ultimately some small fundamental things that played huge in the ultimate decision. Dave Roberts, it felt like there for a little while that he had kind of maybe overplayed his hand, like running out of guys there. And then he's able to go to Walker Bueller in the ninth.

And everything ended up working out really well for them. It's cool for Walker, man. Again, like I remember him getting drafted, watch him out of Vanderbilt, the Tommy John. He's been a great starter. And, you know, he talked about his struggles this year. So for him to have that moment. And again, you have to understand.

I don't like the Dodgers, but those guys are good guys. They're good people. Dave Roberts. And again, talk is talk. The Mickey Mouse World Series. I know, like, it's off their shoulders, man. They went out and they did it and they won it on the biggest stage. Talk all you want about this season and injuries.

And they were one of the most injured team in the big leagues this year. Yes, they were able to go out and reload and get guys. But when it comes out in the holding the trophy and earning it, man, you can't say they didn't go out and earn that thing this year. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. And it didn't take long for the offseason to start because here we are this morning Before I even opened my eyes Jorge Oler has been traded From the Braves to what I saw on my screen that said Los Angeles and I lost my

Freaking mind I saw Los Angeles I was like no way No way did they win the world series last night and wake up this morning and go I'm gonna go get a new free agent Okay it was the Angels and And it was, what a way to kick it off. I do, I do want to start some controversy to start. I just want to throw it out there. Does this team win the World Series, if they pay Shoah, Otani $70 million and have to work around that payroll being paying show Hey,

70 and not paying him $2 million this year? No, I mean, that's the big topic. I don't see our curse jar up here. I'm going to censor myself, but that's bullshit. Yeah. It is. It is. Like, imagine them having to pay Show Hey, $70 million and what that team and payroll looks like

having to work around that structure. versus deferred money for two millions. I think it's actually absurd, to be honest, because the pay structure is put into place for a reason, right? The pay structure is put in, it's to not give a cap. Hear me out. I want us getting paid, okay? No, I'm not deferring.

There's no profit. Probably never will be a salary cap for that exact reason. I've said it. I'm sure you would agree with it, but I think the thing with baseball is that you kind of get held down for so long that when you do get a chance to get that payday, and you are a big star, that you rightfully earn the ability to make,

as much money as anyone is willing to pay you, especially when you're a star of the caliber of show. I mean, but I don't know long term. Like maybe this is a case study, but let's just say, show hey, signs that deal before Judge does. What if Judge does the same thing to the Yankees, he wants to defer all that

money? Right. And then when he goes back to wherever he moves to Texas, Wyoming, to take all that money without state income tax. Right. And now the Yankees are paying Judge because judge is going to make pretty similar off-field money in New York. He's not going to need his contract money to get by or provide his lifestyle with who he is in New York City.

Why aren't, you know, like I would look at that. Like if I was that caliber player and like, man, I can defer all this, make my off-field money. Sure. Take way less than taxes. Sure. And now we can go compete. And like actually like I can bring like imagine that for Yankees who starting pitching,

they can go out and add a legitimate bona fide another number like two to back up coal. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. And it sets a weird precedent. I'm not sitting here trying to cry, poor Dodgers. They went out and wanted. I'm not saying their performance didn't win them this championship.

Right. Just saying to defer $68 million, okay, you defer 20. I get it. 68 in one year to the best player in baseball. Yeah. It is outrageous. And we talked about it when it happened because it was very controversial. Instantly from the moment it happened.

And I think it's important to know that like this was Otani's idea. He's the one who wanted to do this. I don't think the Dodgers were going in. trying to. Yeah, right. And I'm not like, I understand that perspective because it does still feel really dumb that the best player in the league is making two million or made two million dollars this year, right? Or one of the best players in the league. Even just on past accolades, MVP's. Like, if you were to run the list of salaries, which is public information, the cow, the guy's making more money than Otani. You draw it at the floor. I mean, I think Randall Gritchick made more money

than Oton. We factor in the bio. Good for you, Randall. Shout out to you. Yeah. But I mean, there are like, there are some nuances here, which we discussed at the time. One of them being that the Dodgers have to set aside. I think it's about $45 million or something like that this season. So the Dodgers did have to set that money aside this season.

It's not like they can truly just, you know, not remotely give a care about the $68 million that they'll eventually owe Otani for this year. But yeah, it is weird. And, you know, maybe even though this was Otani's idea, Maybe there should be some guardrails in place to prevent players from being like that outrageously generous with deferring so much of their contracts. Well, I mean, in some cases, it's, again, it's not only a positive for the team now, but like you said, when we talked about the Otani deal, today's money is not tomorrow's money, especially not 10 year from now. He's not actually getting the equivalent of like $70 million right now. I think the actual value of the deal is more like 10 years, 460 million.

or something like that because yeah money appreciates over time and and all those things well speaking of randall gritchick per mike finson he has declined his end of mutual option to no surprise to anybody and is set to become a free agent he will receive a 1.75 million dollar buyout and again we we knew that was essentially coming it's like jock it's like i i i love both those guys i would love for them to have their mutual option we talked about a mutual option not really being a mutual option anyway, it just really means that, like, in very few cases, are both parties going to agree on accepting that. But again, no surprise there when it comes to Gritchick becoming a free agent.

Yeah, yeah, no surprises there. I know there's been some reporting about the Diamondbacks rejecting their side of that mutual option. And what we heard today was that Randall rejected his side. But however it happened, it was pretty clear that at least one party was going to reject their side of this option. So, yeah, Randall Gritchick is now. free agent. We suspect that Jock Peterson will become a free agent officially here pretty soon.

All the other things that we've been suspecting, the reporting so far has been in line with that. We think that the debaques are going to pick up Gino Suarez's option. We think they're going to pick up Merrill Kelly's option. We think Jordan Montgomery is probably going to pick up his player option. And then Scott McGuff is a mutual option there. The debaX will probably decline their side of that. So so far, no huge surprises. But it does it does hurt a little bit. to lose Randall Gritchick. I mean, he was outstanding for the Diamondbacks. I think he had the highest OPS in baseball in September.

He had like a 14-08 OPS. I think it was in the month of September, which is outrageous. So he was a big reason why this offense was what it was this year. And of course, the Diamondbacks are expected to give Christian Walker a one-year, $21.05 million qualifying offer. That's right now, 21? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I want to see my rookie year was like 13 and a half, 14. And he's likely to decline that. Yeah, of course. He should. He's going to get, you know, obviously a longer-term deal with more money than that, potentially. I said this to Jesse yesterday, which didn't help the fact that we were doing a post-game after the Dodgers win the World Series. But after watching, you know, the Dodgers have their problems at defense.

Like someone like Chris Walker is going to be a commodity as a free agent. And there's going to be teams like that. And the power there, right? Like there's those powers gone down. Like that's a mass. for a team that is in contention mode and yeah you get that qualifying offer tag to you i mean that's that's the bare minimum where you draw your line right like and again walk especially for me as a personal friend and as much as i'm on the the pay him train for the debacks it's going to be

tough i mean he i mean you guys know more than i do but for my he's for me he's top first basement on the market i mean yeah i would i would rather have objectively i would rather have Christian Walker than P. Alonzo on my team. Yeah, 100%. I mean, and that's not against Pete personally, but Walk's a better dude, too. Like, you know, like, I've been played with Pete, but I know what Walk brings to the table. Pete's got the home run derbies and stuff, and he does a great job in a city in New York. And but Walk is that dude for me here.

And he's just such a good dude. And the thing is, like, I've seen him do it. He is a true professional player. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, there's just, there's going to be some people that are after him and he's deserved it man like we talked about what he's gone through to get to this point where he's going to set up his life his family is after family i mean it's it's it's what every player dreams of um and he's earned it yeah well i mean and that's pretty much where the diamond

back stand as far as the you know a lot of their free agency moves that that they have to make it's it's likely that uh we do not see uh scott mcuff back jock peterson most likely won't be back and i'm sure none of those are at least jack peterson christian walker those aren't the diamondbacks decisions those are just the fact that those guys will be able to correct get get that money on the market but free agency does begin immediately after the world series free agents cannot sign with a new team until november 4th at 5 p.m. eastern but uh we've already seen trades happening we've already seen new players for teams already in their new jersey taking pictures and stuff. They didn't wait for the for the body to get cold on this,

on this season once we got through it. But there's no feelings anymore. It's open for business. And I mean, of course, we got a lot of exciting dates when it comes to this off season. We're going to cover it. We're going to cover a lot of this stuff between now and the end of December and even into next year. But it's, it's, it's on now. And especially for a Diamondbacks team that has to figure out a few, a few of their whole. and their lineup and in their bullpen. Well, we talked about it. What's always tough is the budget's not going to change much, right?

We're going to stay in the ground that we've been in. Probably. And so that's why guys like Hazen, I think, are just so crucial. And I don't know if there's a better GM for this job. I mean, obviously, you got to keep winning, but it is, you have to identify talent with a budget, but also roles, right? Like, how do these guys fit in? How can we squeeze this out of him while platooning this guy, right?

because you're not going to be able to go in and get your A plus guy. Or if you are, you're going to have to, you know, do less in other areas. And so how do you replace, like we just talked, not only these key producers like Jock and Randall, but also who they were for this team in terms of leadership and veteran presence? It is, it's crazy that the World Series literally just ended and yet we already have trades happening. It's sort of the never ends, bro. Yeah, baseball really is, now that I'm, like, working in baseball full time, you realize that the offseason doesn't really, I mean, it kind of exists. Two years, three years ago, World Series ended.

And I did because, like, hey, the Red just released you. I was like, tight. Offseason, no job. I'm not going to employ this start. I was really like, you know, everyone's like, all right, the off season ends. Like, no off season next year. And it was like, hey, you just got fired basically. I was like, tight.

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. But yeah, dude, it's just, it's, it's. it's going. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, I think the Diamondbacks are probably going to have some news coming out pretty soon, I would think, on a variety of fronts, one of them just being the coaching staff.

They have some pitching coaches to replace looking back at their hires of Joe Mather and Brent Strom and Jeff Bannister several years back. The news on those hires came out between late October and mid-November. Timeline checking here. Yeah, I think, at least according to this. that which maybe maybe I shouldn't go off that too much but yeah because who knows when they actually fill those roles or who they're going to fill those rules yeah it could take a little while but I still think that with like with a role as important as your pitching coach you want to have that

yeah you want relatively you want to especially this is my opinion on this with the injuries and what the staff went through last year to identify who's going to write that chip and you reach out to maro reach out to gal and start to build a relationship and even with Iwardo and Montgomery I mean, I think Montgomery is a huge focus on, I know what Ken said, but again, that's the owner saying shit, right? Like, that's you as a player and the staff, I'm sure Tori and Mike handled that internally. But he's a key focus. You get that guy back on track. He's one of the best lefties in the league last year.

You pair that with that Wardo, who has been one of the best lefties in the league behind a Maryland gallon. And again, you're talking about a staff that's as complete and ready to compete with any true starting rotation out there. That's a big ask, but I'm just saying, for me, you want to identify. who is going to start to turn around this pitching side of the debacks. I know you are a unique personality, but how would you handle that as a player? Like, how would you handle the owner saying something negatively? That kind of got a lot of press. Yeah.

You kind of have to. And this is easy to say in this seat, right? Like you're not being said about me. I know if it's said about me underlining or out loud, I mean, without getting in trouble, I'm dropping some F bombs. Yeah, yeah. King Kendrick, you know, screw you. I work hard.

I didn't try to come here and pitch bad, but also sitting in this seed and being on the side of it, the way I was raised, I understand, like, we're a little bit past the fact if you do have to be held to a standard and a dollar amount that you're paid. And if you don't live up to that performance, you can be critiqued on it. Critiquing again, that's the difference of a fan talking trash for someone who is in a job or a role to critique your performance based on exactly that. it's performance. Not who you are as a person, not who your kids are, not while you drank in the morning, not the way you drove here or what car. But when you stepped in there to pitch for this team

that we're paying you for, how did your performance dictate that? And I think sometimes we're too sensitive. You know, we're too high. Oh, you can't. No, we can. I'm paying you. I think you pitched like crap. I think it was a terrible decision for us. And that's the way he feels. again it's easy for me to say that but i think professionally some of it's like i did pitch like crap this year but i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm definitely accepting this option i'm taking this i'm accepted but it's like yeah no i mean i like i guess that's the thing is is like would you see it in some sort of way where it was just like emotion on ken's part or would you see it like meant to kind of if i'm a homegrown raised dback and i'm in my eighth season and

Ken says about that. I probably have a lot more. But Jordan just won a world series. Like he's kind you know like whatever. And he's been very honest, right? He said several times in post game. Yeah. Or like Bressers that he, of course. And he's very, he's very open. So again, also I think that's just that's that sports. When you're an owner and you're paying and I don't know, some of it, we talk about what's right and wrong. What do you have the right to say and not the right to say? I think if you're critiquing and strictly discussing performance, man, there's not really a line. It's black and white. You either performed or you didn't. I either paid you and got out

of it what I wanted to or not. Like at the end of the day we are performers and that's what you get paid to do. Perform and if you don't perform there's going to be questions. The numbers don't lie. That's right. You don't lie. Well, when you talked about them moving fast and free with their coach decisions, they have a tendency to move fast

in the off season when it comes to trades and such typically. Yeah, man. You know that Mike Mike Hazen and Jerry DePoto. Like they're already cooked at something. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They've been on the phone for longer than this. We've had back to back seasons where this has happened. People might have forgotten the Gino-Swaris trade happened in November last year. That's right.

Happened on November 22nd. It's like right before Thanksgiving. Yeah, right. I was with Josh Rojas earlier. Should I have asked them if anything's going down? Yeah. We should have to come in here with me. We love Josh Rojas.

But yeah. No, I mean, yeah, they're cooking something up for sure in Seattle. And it's going to, I don't have any movies scheduled that I'm going to go see, but I'm sure it'll happen during some sort of event. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to be at it. Yeah, you're going to be very occupied. It's going to be, thanks, Derek.

Dinner. Is there ever any correlation between the movie that you see and how good the trade worked out? I know. Like, if you see a certain genre of movies, is it ever better for the devax? Because I think maybe the Mariners need a win for a trade this time. Yeah, maybe we see a different type of movie. No, I'm, unfortunately, that's not the case for you and them. But most of the time, it's, I don't know, it's usually a kid's movie I'm seeing.

I think I was seeing Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice the last time. Let's go see like Long Legs or some scary movie. I was watching the Iron Claw when the Gino trade went down. So I take that as it would. That's a tragic movie. So I don't recommend anybody watch that. But in 2020, we had another Depoto Hayes in trade just for the point. It was a little more minors, Cooper Hummel for Kyle Lewis.

But yeah, that was November 17th. And November 15th of 2022, the Diamondbacks also made a trade. with the Guardians that brought in Carlos Vargas and then in 2021 the Jordan loopload trade happened toward the end of November so the Diamondbacks sort of at least under Mike Hayes and they sort of have a thing with making trades in November so we could see some we could see some action on the trade front sooner than later well I know there's one very important date that these people want to know and that is when is spring training opening day just 113 days away folks so can start tearing those little, little numbers off of your Advent calendar.

February 21st. Yep, let's go. Well, of course, we will have more about a lot of things, including free agency and who the Diamondbacks might bring in a familiar face. Someone this guy knows pretty well to maybe take over at first base over there. So we will do that on the other side of this break. Of course, make sure to check out Bet365. Bet365 helps make watching sports more fun.

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stress enough it's like really affordable too I think that's what we're dreaming about more Jesse five 95 cheeseburger Jesse the only thing Jesse likes talking about more than ball is finances yes affordable and flipping cars and flipping cars that's for sure did you hear him try to sneak in some some economics earlier he was like well the dollar depreciates I think I misspoke too because money doesn't somebody corrected me in the chat rightfully so money doesn't appreciate more so deep people started talking about yen and i was like oh boy yeah yeah yeah yeah well speaking of great deals the diamondbacks might find a great deal in in a replacement for christian walker should they have to per john denton cardinals beatwriter for mlb dot com paul gulchmidt uh his future

might be aligned with what we discussed on a previous episode he said in a recent article the dbacks and or Astros are expected to pursue Goldschmidt and offer him more guaranteed cash than St. Louis, so the likelihood is that he moves on to a contender. Thoughts about bringing... Apparently, our speculations were at least somewhat substantial... We were just doing it based on vibes. We were like, that'd be a good vibes.

Like, he'd be affordable. And I think it would be just fun to bring him back, but there might be some actual fire to that smoke. let's take a look at Goldie's numbers from 2024 because again not too shabby for our guy 245 302 414 with 22 home runs 65 RBI how many games played is that uh I don't have in front of me but it's basically a full season I think it's a hundred and 150 plus 173 play appearance oh no that's just what he slashed uh when he slashed 293 um but yeah you're right uh four was 154 games so yeah basically an entire season uh and he turned 37 and in September. So, you know, again. Still just jacked. Just still jacked. Yeah.

Just the specimen. What are your thoughts on, on, you know, what Goldie could still do and, you know, bringing them just back to the valley. Special place here. I'm optimistic that Goldie would have a better season than those numbers back at Chase, much more hit a friendly ballpark. Again, I think the youth of this team, too, could, you know, energize Goldie. He was one of my favorite guys to play.

with. He would laugh at so many things I did. And I feel like that would kind of, Goldie would laugh at a lot of things these kids are doing on this team. But I feel like it would be good for him. It would energize them. And I mean, he's a pillar of teaback's,

you know, lore and then who he was in his early start and his playoff heroics and then just who he was for the staple for so many years. I would love, if Christian Walker is not affordable and we can't bring him back, I would love nothing more than to see Gold. over there again you talk about a guy that sets the tone um and ignites a fan base that you know adored him for so long um it'd be it'd be a great great signing when we talked about building a statue outside of chase field obviously randy johnson was a very popular choice but it was amazing how quickly the next choice was paulgerman yeah i mean again not to take anything away from those guys that won a world

series for for the city right but like it's kind of telling that like Like instead of going to Randy Johnson and then Luis Gonzalez, you know, like those two one, one A, one B going immediately down the line. Like people immediately jump like Randy. Yeah, that's that's obvious. But then like Paul Goldschmidt, it would be the next guy. Again, also I view it from like nothing against Randy and Luis. But they were, their careers were kind of established already at that point. When they were dying backs and they had those moments.

So those are defining moments for the dimebacks and then personally. but Goldie was the first guy drafted come up futures game yeah you know and drafted really low yeah really low and to become something and and someone for the team to look in and believe in and to win like they did in 2011 the year i got drafted and goldie i think was in the all-star game that year in the future's game or maybe it's his first year whatever um the year he he broke tim lincicum i don't know he wasn't an all-star but you know i remember being at a young age going through that D-BACs clubhouse and seeing some very interesting pictures hanging around that clubhouse of Goldie and those guys going through that run in 2011.

But Goldie was our, I say our first like Phoenix. I compared to like Kevin Durant. He was like the D-Back's first like sports hero, right? Yeah. That guys of my age grew up watching and you associated the D-Backs as Paul Goldschmidt and Goldschmidt as the D-Backs. Yeah. And I talked about it.

It would be cool because I remember eating lunch with Goldene. He's like, oh, yeah, the D-Backs are. trade me tomorrow. I was like, no. So you found out, you found out the day before then. Yeah, day before, which we were working out together at Salt River. And he was like, hey, it's grab breakfast. I remember like, man, Goldie's invite me to go eat. Something's up. Like, Golly like me. Like, you know, like, we were just kind of the longer, like, longest 10 year teammates at the time. He's like, yeah, you know, they're going to trade me next year. And I was like, damn, that's cool that they tell you that. But like, are you mean? He's like, yeah,

they're going to trade me. Like, they told me between this, this and this. Don't tell me on Archie, don't tweet about it. And I was like, oh, of course. And then next day I remember driving in and it was like boom Gold's meant to the Cardinals for Weaver whatever Carson County. I was like wow he wasn't lying like it just happens like that like dang and so yeah I mean Goldie too he is for the valley I mean he is he's a statue worthy um not only ball player but human here I think too that was also he was the first guy he gave a lot back he was in the community he was who you wanted your kids to be and still is I mean he is that guy yeah

I mean that must have been kind of a blow to the clubhouse in some way I mean, I know Luke Weaver and Carson Kelly, especially their first year in Arizona wound up being quite good. But still, I mean, that's the face of your franchise that you're just trading going into, you know, one year remaining until free. That was going into

19, correct? Yes. Yes, it was going into 19. Because we traded Grinky in the fall or in the second half of 18 and then... I think it was the Granky trade was mid-19. It was the trade deadline 19.

But Goldie was dealt before. So it's kind of like a double. It was like, all right, you believe in us, but you're trading our pillar. And this again, this was before Walker became Walker, right? So, you know, we're trading Goldie to the Cardinals for two prospects that haven't done. We don't even know if they're going to have big league impact for us right away, right? Like I'm starting to understand how the system works. And it's like, man, do they believe in us?

Like this, like this guy is, I mean, this is a perennial All-Star. This is our pillar over there. And we're trading the Cardinals who are a playoff potential team. Like, what is that? Yeah. what does that tell us so i think so of it too is like okay well whatever you know we're gonna we're going to go do it regardless um i understood the financials of it what was coming up and what we could afford and not but also it's kind of like i've always said you know not that i'm special but like

i feel differently about the devax if you're not going to assign goldie to the long term keep them here forever then who right right that was my view then if like if you're not going to commit like all right through thick and thin whatever we're going to pay goldie top tier dollar to keep him in Arizona. He's going to be a dime back for life and hang his hat with that A or D on it and be a diamond back. Like if it's not Goldie, then who is it that is a diamond? Yeah, you know what I mean? No, you're right. And that may be a little bit bigger than baseball and winning. I'm just saying like in the history of, you know, we talk about building a fan base. Who who is that statue guy? And for me, it's, it's right now it is Goldie. And see, it's funny

you say that because we know that we've been present on more than one occasion where Mike Hayeson has confessed that trade. He regrets that was very much. his biggest regret as a GM. But he did, he brought up what it did to the clubhouse. Like he saw, he talked about the impact that losing a leader like that in the clubhouse had. Well, Goldie had an impact that was, it's, it's, it reminded me of J.T. Remuto. I noticed it more when I was around J.T. where for right or wrong, you just, you felt like

Goldie was almost like your dad in the clubhouse. Like not, again, Goldie and Amy, if you hear me, not that Goldie was that much of a square because Goldie was really cool, but there was this like respect you had for Paul Goldschmidt that you felt that Goldie didn't judge you unless you were unprepared. I've talked about that before. And like I talked about what I learned from Goldie and being prepared and becoming a big leaguer,

where there was this presence of wanting to be prepared because you didn't want to upset Goldie. Like it was weird, but there was this just truly awe and aura around Paul and the way he worked and handled himself. and yeah guys respected them where it was like yeah i want to work hard for goldie to notice or for goldie to be proud or um again that's kind of cheesy to say as a grown man but it's true like there's people that like i guess you respect enough that you don't want to let them down well you know i would sit

there and be like all right goldie relax like have a beer with us you know me you know like you know we can play loud music relax paul but there there truly was this like well that's the way goldie is and like that's the standard and like i always talked about it like i heard heard Saban talking about it when people win and get to the top. It's super easy to get complacent, right? And Goldie never got complacent. I watched him in his lowest points, in his highest points as an All-Star, and he was the same guy in terms of work ethic and certain of consistency. And in terms of the standard he set for himself as a baseball player. And that's what I felt the most. I wanted to be, I wanted to make sure that Goldie knew I was viewing my profession and held it at the same level that he did.

Yeah. And not that that wasn't replaced, but yeah, there's a, I can't feel that I'm a reliever, right? Guys don't look to me the same way they look to Goldie. I can't hit a three-run homer and like come in and be this, you know, this, as much as I was, the talking face. I'm not the physical face that Goldie was to who you were, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And I think as we think about what it would look like for Christian Walker to leave, it's not just about what you'd be missing on the field.

It's also about the guy that he is off the field, but you've also spoken to. And yeah, maybe Goldie at this stage in his career is not Christian Walker on the field. But what you're describing is the off the field impact maybe could be similar. I'm not to say they're the exact same guy, but Paul Goldschmidt in this clubhouse, like you have to feel pretty good about what he could bring. Yes. Again, and it's the same thing for walk. These guys have, I view it, you know, there's a couple positions in baseball that you hold your hat on.

And like first baseman is like the anchor of that infield. You know, I know the catcher is the catcher. But for me, I think of your big. gritty home run hitter that plays first base and like again we got the the replacement and he's done more than replaced gold he's become a player of his own like maybe you know when his third gold glove but if you lose walk for where this team is at you have to replace them with a guy like goldie anything less is a much bigger hole than just losing your home runs and your gold glove over there yeah and it's interesting now that here we are talking about replacing christian walker with paul

me right where five years ago it is Halloween right it is the twilight so like cue the music this is it's just wild right and I mean it on one hand it does make a lot of sense because of all the things you've said his how familiar he is with chase field and just what he could be at this point not to mention that it would be both a value for still a decent player who you know honestly when you look at August 9th through the end of the season he slash he finished really well 293 339 503 you know and had a pretty decent, you know, pretty decent numbers kind of as far as his batted ball metrics were concerned throughout the season, even though the results were. He would have more RBIs here too. Yeah. Those those RBI numbers are definitely a product of that St. Louis Cardinals' team lacking offensive production. When you talk about him being the dad of the clubhouse, he could literally be that now. Yeah. And maybe he has so much fun driving in that role.

I think he's kind of moved past that. I know in later years, like going on a few other teams, I had a. drink or two with Goldie on other teams and I was like Goldie just stayed after and had a drink with this. Dang. Yeah. Goldie is Goldie is just, he's Goldie man. Right. And it's, you know, I've said this to him a bunch of times, but like one of the things that always I always sticks with me is the, I just went out there and tried to hit the ball hard thing, right? Yeah. Like when I first started his answer for everything. Yeah, when I started interviewing him and I started talking to him after games, right? You give that answer so much. And at first, I got pumped by it. I. I was,

I was like, yeah, you're just go out there trying to hit the ball. And then I felt like it was a little bit of a cop out at one point. Like he just said it all the time enough for it to be like an automatic answer without having to like answer some of like Steve Gilbert or Nick Piccolo's detailed questions when they were like when you were in this count, what were you thinking and stuff? He's like, I was trying to hit the ball heart. But then I realized after a while again, like more time past. I was like, that's just him.

That's literally just him. Like he's not giving you a BS answer. He's not like copping out. He's just like, yeah, all the stuff you said. Yeah. I guess. I was looking inside a little bit for a fastball. I was just trying to hit the ball hard.

And he, yeah, he just, he didn't truly care about that stuff. Like, he's a guy who you wish would win a world championship, right, because of the career he's had,

who he is in the game. Like, we used to joke when him, when Posey would play for space in San Fram, when Goldie would, a few times he hit a single. Like, hey, Buster,

how's your trophy case looking? Oh, Goldie just had another gold glove. Oh, me too. Buster. Oh, other all-star, another, like, dude, these guys, like, on first base had to be one of, like, you could go down. But, like, we used to joke because they were, like, so similar in who they were in

personality, who their status in the game, the respect they had for each other, the respect they got from other players that, like, I personally, like, if you asked me, like, who would I give a World Series to you. Like, I wish Paul Goldsmith, like, there was a picture of him holding up a World Series trophy. I think that would be unbelievable for baseball and, like, who he has been in the game. Yeah. And I mean that report that you read earlier, Derek, is it sounds like Goldie is going to play for a contender that that's at least how things are trending. Debacks contending.

And the Diamondbacks are. And the Diamondbacks are. Staff-wise we've talked about it. Montgomery turnaround. Healthy aborta, healthy gallon. Yeah. It is prime at least from a, when you talk about on paper having a chance to go win a World Series, you don't do it without starting rotation and starting depth. Right.

The Diamondbacks have never had that. In my, in my, in this season, it was pretty abysmal, even though on paper going into the year, it looked like it was going to be fantastic. Like, again, I mean, it took until like the last like half of August for them to be at 100%. I just, I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of money already set in place. I think with the right pieces, if we lose Walker, Golda being one of them, man, this team is a few key pieces from, again, being the pesky team. That's like I've been on and we've seen this year coming in August, August, September is, chasing down a division, is in a wildcard hunt, and is competing with the juggernauts that

San Diego and L.A. that it's going to be. Those teams aren't going anywhere. They're going to add their bullpins. That's just what they do. It feels like people have very strong opinions about bringing back Goldschmidt because we talked about this on the show maybe a couple weeks ago. And we've seen it in the chat a little bit today too. Like it feels like everyone either is fully convinced that 100% you should bring Goldie back. Like what a fun story. Or they want absolutely no part of it because they think it's just too late in his career. And I can I can understand both sides of that. We did talk about some of the underlying numbers when we when we broke this down a couple weeks ago. And his underlying metrics were actually quite a bit better than the surface

level numbers that you saw. So for for whatever that's worth, I think there is more, I think Goldschman is a better hitter than his surface level number showed in in 2024. But you're also looking at you know, what does it look like in 2025 as he continues to age? Sometimes it's not a gentle slope at this stage in your career. So there would be a risk in bringing him back. There's no question. But, you know, there's also some level of risk in paying Christian Walker a lot of money. And I don't think it's a guarantee that the diamond backs are willing to go there.

So we'll see. And we talked about Carlos Santana being a comparable player when you look at his numbers versus Christian Walker. when Jesse talks about the metrics and the expected batting average, for instance. Like those numbers are very close. Like the XBA for Goldie this year, 258 to Christian Walker's 249. The slugging percentage almost identical, 464, 465, and the ex-Woba, 333, 354. So when it comes to batted ball metrics, like at least and not the actual results,

Goldschmidt was right there with Christian Walker. And again, when you talk about bringing him back here to Chase Field, like Archie said, and just the amount that you would pay, I don't think that this is just a good story. I don't think this is just like a fun. I think this team is in the mood for a good story. We have good stories. And I think that's what fans feel.

Like they don't want the coming back to tip the cap thing. If this was a team that didn't have expectations, I'm even more on board with this, but I'm even less on board for it being a good story. As it more of being financially smart and a true good baseball move that gives this team an edge and a true replacement if they can't afford Walker. Yeah.

And plus he's a, what, he's a year younger than. then Carlos Santana raised in Carson 838 yeah yeah I think so I mean you're kind of you know 37 38 I'm just saying in baseball 10 years if it's a push and the act here is bringing back a diamondbacks legend then I feel like you you go in that direction for sure you air on that side in my opinion 100% um I I did want to ask you this before we move on we've talked a bit about this being you know a contract year for gallon for Merrill Kelly and for Jordan Montgomery like that is It feels like that's a huge motivation for them to be, right? Telling you sitting here, go get that paper, dog. Like, you know, you want to, you have a few opportunities in your career where the ball is in your court, where if you just strictly go perform, even at, hear me out, Debex fans,

I'm talking more personally, even at just a mediocre level. If you just stay healthy, you make all 30 starts, you throw 160 plus innings, you throw under a four or five, which for all three of these guys is very, I'm not going to say, say easy to do, but not a big order for them to do. No. You have a chance, and everyone knows it, to go make $100 million, $100 plus million if you're Gowan or Merrill or even Montgomery at one point, like what he was looking for last year, you're one year away from truly, I mean, changing your life and putting yourself

in a position where for me, that's even more motivation, like you just said, it does, because I'm also going to fight through some things or pitch through some stuff that in other years I might not, right? Because I know that I've got one year to go ball out and make this payday where I don't have to wait on qualifying offer. I don't have to do this. I can sign. And again, you're singing with Montgomery. I can't speak for him personally, but I'm sure he's sitting there wishing he had signed a five or six year deal right now, right? That's his like that. We've heard that he's been, I'm not vocal about it, but he's kind of, I mean, with firing a Scott Boris. I mean, even without him saying anything. I mean, I get it. The high AV, you bet on yourself. But I mean,

damn, man. I mean, even look at Bellinger. It's going to work out for him too. But like, you know, there's a reason, you know, you take, in my opinion, I say you take you take less A-A-V for longer-term deal and more money because baseball is hard. And not only is it hard, but guys are way better now. The replacements coming up. These younger players, man, are just doing things. And so, yeah, I think for those guys, especially, man, you, especially I know Merrill, I'm again speaking very personally. He's about to have another kid. I know he's made good money. You do start. You look at your lifestyle, man.

I'm like, damn, I'm going to go out and put on for my family and to make this money for my future and the way we want to live. And I think it's a huge, like, good addition to the debacks, like for extra motivation and winning and performing. Right. And again, it's one of those years where not to get, you know, not to get ahead of ourselves, but there's a good chance that those guys don't come back either. So it's like they can do it for the team, but they can also do it for themselves. And then the Diamondbacks can, you know, kind of from that point, not rebuild, but take a look at things. And, you know, I mean, they do have some young, young absolutely stud starting pitchers in the organization. And those guys are only getting better.

Ryan Nelson became an absolute star for this team last season. And you had some other guys like Gilbert Diaz that, you know, made his debut and was very impressive. I feel like it's like D-backs you, but before NIL, right? Like the deba back hit a recruiting class, you get four years. And then if you don't win in those four, it's kind of a reset, right? And you got to go back to, you know, getting your five stars and some of your five stars take a couple of years to develop. So you only get one good year out of them. You know, it's, it's again, that's just the, we've talked about it, where this team is at with payroll.

And especially, I mean, again, man, tip your cap to the Dodgers. I'm not, but they've won the division 13 out of 15 years, 14 out of seven. It's an absurd number. Yeah. I know the Braves had that run in L for a while in the east over there. But it's just the deba—that's the way we got to look at it. We are—again, I say that I'm never going to tell a team go play for the wild card to start the season, right? But that's what we're looking at.

We're looking at a wildcard berth between the Dodgers and Padres without us just doing something crazy. I mean, I go back to the year we made that we won 98 games and we were a wild card team. Yeah. We almost want 100 games and we were a wild card team. It's wild. Like so, so yeah, you know, regardless, there is other ways to get in now. There is multiple. And so it's even more, I think, attainable for this team to look at like this team.

And if I'm not playing, if I'm playing against them, it doesn't matter. I'll say right now, this should be a playoff team. I don't care what additions they make. I thought this team this year finishing should have made the playoffs. Everyone here can say that. The players can say that. With the starters coming back, the boys. Pins, like, I think there's

enough proof here to put the standball. This team should be a playoff team. Do you think they part ways with their coaches, with their pitching coaches if they make the playoffs? Do you think they still dissatisfied with the way the season went? That's a great question. My gut is that they probably don't part ways with them. No, I mean,

you take a team that, you take a staff that took you to the World Series and then a playoff appearance, which again, I don't the time back, showing the playoffs back to back is very rare. It hasn't happened a ton. It's only happened once, 2001, 2002. My point, exactly. You can't justify firing a staff that does that.

But they still seem very dissatisfied with the overall results. And I mean, again, the pitching staff, when you look at the numbers, it was across the board. But I think that's where we're at, man. Like the game is at the pitching level at such a divide there. Hitting maybe truly got over the hump, but pitching is still so this old school or new school metric. And it's really tough for old school and new school guys to get along where, again, you're talking about a gallon who might be right in the middle of being the middle line where Merrill, Edwardo, Jordan are on the old school scide. And Nelson, these younger guys are all new school. Like, I mean, for right or wrong, man, like I've been at drive line this last year trying to get back in it.

And the crap I see these kids do and celebrate. for throwing a pitch a certain shape or way versus like that's a fucking ball but it's not even close to the strike zone but then I go to throw my crap and it's like not spinning the same so like again I'm telling you from personal like it's it's especially for the diebacks who are a developmental team right they're not going to go you have to bring in a guy that can develop and can relate to these younger guys in terms of the new wave of pitching it's just where we're at. Well, we have a little bit more. I love just the thought of people at drive-line. Just rejoicing over like the nerdiest sound. I'm not going to think teammates. I've seen guys

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every day after that. So stop by, get yourself a drink, prepare yourself to maybe give out some candy tonight. and then grab that candy, grab the whole box, like Shane said. Have a great time this evening. All right. Well, it is throwback Thursday. We've been talking about Goldie. And of course, we do have a former Arizona Diamondback, Daniel Hudson, who was crowned

World Series champion last night, hats off to Huddy. And of course, he also, after the game, announced that he would be hanging him up, retiring from the game, which actually, I mean, Jesse has constantly been saying that Daniel Hudson is going to be pitching in the eighth inning for the Dodgers in 2048 he was a little bit off by that day 2015 4 sorry sorry but but man I mean a huddy is just he it I said last night even if you're not happy that the Dodgers won there's still individuals that you can be happy for and that that is definitely one of them two time world two that's right yeah I mean through the I think he got the last out got the gnats

in 2019 got got the you know and his turnaround I mean I know as a community or organization sports fan, we hate to see guys leave and succeed, right? Like, why didn't you pit? But, like, really cool to see what Huddy went through with the multiple Tommy Johns and even the first couple teams right after the debacks. And then boom, like you said, all of a sudden,

he's getting the final outs of game seven for the Nats. And then, yeah, just continue to just pump 98 after 98. And then same thing, man, like the ACL, right? Like just just God another like dude you've won a world series you've got 10 hang him up to grind through all that Again it speaks to who he is because the Dodgers just don't I know he throws well but to put him through rehab bring him back Make playoff rosters and go out as a champ. I mean very few guys have that ending so uh huddy love you dog congrats yeah he's awesome man uh always a great person to talk to 33 and 21 record in his six seasons with the diamondbacks I guess seven seasons but he didn't play in silver slugger right

yeah yeah that's right oh gee like like I was like wait pictures don't get those yeah right I remember he's like

arts I got the best trophy I remember show me silver slugger and I was like dang that is so cool man he hit 277 that yeah yeah

silver sluggers dude that's that's that's probably the one the picture's like I want that one yeah of course

the World Series ring that that doesn't that doesn't that tails in comparison. Of course. I'm just saying personally, like Silver Sluggers,

a pitcher, that's sick. Yeah. Also, I saw some of the day. I think, well, I sent it to Zach.

Let me pull it up. But Zach Grinky had more career hits in the playoffs than I think judge going into judges outburst. Yeah, here it is. Yeah. World Series career heads. Zach Rinky to Aaron Judge won.

That was before. I didn't respond. Zach did not respond. I said you're still a legend, so I'm sure he'll respond in a couple weeks, but that one got me going. You texted him this last night. Yeah, well, I see you, Cotify baseball tweeted. They're like, sure. I got to get to Zach.

I was like, you're still being talked about. We'll never forget you. We'll never forget you. Zach was probably trying to steal a base, too. Yeah, 100%. We touched on it a little bit yesterday, but the other thing with Daniel Hudson is the fact that he had two Tommy Johnson degrees. And the list of. of guys who've had two Tommy Johns and come back and been successful is not very long.

I mean, Nathan Evaldi is one. There are some other big names on that list. Second one, too, personal, before he even made it back to the big leagues. I was in, he did it pitching with me in double A. I was a prospect coming up. Yeah. He was on his last rehab assignment in Jacksonville, Florida, when they were AA. And he tore it.

And I mean, you can look up the official days, but he went, something like 700, 800 something days in between big league pitches. Yeah. I mean just crazy. Crazy. And I remember I've never seen someone log more miles on an elliptical or walking on a treadmill than Daniel Hudson. I mean, this was again when I was coming up.

I didn't understand what the big leagues were like or he would take his iPad and go on the elliptical and treadmill and walk or run or jog for hours, right? And now I understand going through those injuries myself, like mentally what he had to be going through, right? and again, looking back at where he was at in his career, supposed to be this big starter. T.J. blows out, comes back, supposed to blows out again. And boom, like, who is he?

Where are you? Where do you fit in? Are you going to pitch again? And to have the career that he's had post to TJs and for everyone on this rapid pandemic, epidemic of Tommy John surgeries, he can be a poster for guys that it is possible, it is capable, and to maybe give them some motivation to keep going and keep trying. Well,

hats off to Huddy on his career. And of course, again, another great Arizona, former Arizona Diamondback that's hanging him up. Well, yeah,

they got him for, they got him for Edwin Jackson in 2010 and trade with the white side. That's right. Two quality dudes. Yeah. Those are two dudes right there, man.

He shoves when he came over, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. He had a 169 in 11 starts in the second half of 2000. I remember that just being mind-blowing. Yeah. Like, what did this guy come from?

Yeah, he was 23 years old at the time, I think. It looked like he was going to be a silver slugger on 11. Yeah. I mean, that's balling. And I mean, his hitting accomplishments are the most impressive. But he was a pretty good pitcher that year, too. He had a 349 ERA 16 and 12 record, made 33 starts 222 innings that year, which is something we really don't see hardly any pitchers do.

at this point. So yeah, he was outstanding when he first came up and was able to overcome a lot of adversity to have a really, really impressive major league career. Well, that's all we got, you guys. We appreciate you so much for stopping by. We will be back tomorrow with another 1 p.m. episode now that there is no more baseball and we'll be talking about some of these potential free agent targets that the Diamondbacks might be connected to.

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