PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Who Will Be the D-backs Starting Catcher in 2026? Gabriel Moreno or Jame McCann?

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

JOIN THE SUPPORTERS CLUB ➡️ https://tinyurl.com/yc6km2r4 In 2025, Gabriel Moreno saw his playing time behind the plate reduced as James McCann assumed a larger role for the Diamondbacks, especially down the stretch. We break down why Moreno didn’t catch as much, comparing offensive stats, defensive metrics, and their overall impact on the pitching staff. We also discuss Gabi’s youth and upside versus McCann’s veteran experience and durability—and what it could mean for Arizona’s catcher situation in 2026. On top of that, there are four elimination games in the Divisional Series today that we’re excited to watch, plus some fun parenting news: Josh Naylor becoming a dad and Derek Jeter skipping a Parent-Teacher Conference during Tuesday’s rain delay. An ALLCITY Network Production SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/phnx_youtube ALL THINGS PHNX: http://linktr.ee/phnxsports MERCH https://store.allcitynetwork.com/coll... ALLCITY Network, Inc. aka PHNX and PHNX Sports is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by the City of Phoenix PHNX Events: Get your tickets to PHNX events and takeovers here: https://gophnx.com/events/ ALLCITY — including us here at PHNX — is teaming up with Big Brothers Big Sisters of America for an exciting three-year partnership. To learn more, visit https://www.bbbs.org/allcity/ APS:  Find instant rebates, discounts and special offers on smart thermostats, energy-efficient appliances and more at https://marketplace.aps.com/default/h... Branded Bills: Use code BBPHNX at https://www.brandedbills.com/ for 15% off your first order! Zen Leaf: Visit our friends at Zen Leaf (http://zen-leaf.store/phnx) for 50% off using promo code ZENPHNX Chicken N’ Pickle: Family friendly fun awaits! Visit chickennpickle.com to plan your visit today! Access Auto Insurance Agency of Arizona, LLC (Access Auto) is a renowned agency offering personal and commercial auto insurance options to Arizona residents. If you’re on the hunt for a new policy, call Access Auto today at 1-480-400-0546 or get a free insurance quote by visiting our website www.access-insurance.com. Visit https://www.macu.com/accounts/checkin... to learn more about their MyStyle Checking Accounts! bet365: https://www.bet365.com/hub/en-us/app-... Use the code PHNX365 to sign up, deposit $10 and bet $5 to get $150 in bonus bets! Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and physically located in AZ.  If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800-NEXT-STEP, text NEXTSTEP to 53342 or visit https://problemgambling.az.gov/ Branded Bills: Use code BBPHNX at https://www.brandedbills.com/ for 20% off your first order! Gametime: Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code PHNX for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Shady Rays: Head to https://shadyrays.com and use code: PHNX for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people. Circle K:  Join Inner Circle for free by downloading the Circle K app today! Head to https://www.circlek.com/store-locator to find Circle Ks near you! Monarch Money: Use Monarch Money to get control of your overall finances with 50% off your first year at https://www.monarchmoney.com/phnx When you shop through links in the description, we may earn affiliate commissions. Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. #dbacks #diamondbacks #arizonadiamondbacks #mlb #zacgallen #corbincarroll #ketelmarte #mlbtheshow #mlbtraderumors #tradedeadline #traderumors #allstargame Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I have some fatherly advice today for new dad, Josh Naylor, and another Derek that's a dad and Derek Jeter. Not only do we have updates on MLB postseason, but we are breaking down the catcher controversy, if you will, going into 2026 and discussing why, even though James McCann should be back, he shouldn't be the everyday catcher for this team. Don't go anywhere. We're starting in 30 seconds. Welcome in to Studio K. Excuse me, I forgot the live part. from Studio K, presented by our friends in Circle K. It's the PHNX Diamondback show,

aka I guess the PHNX MLV postseason show. We just want to get in on the fun that all of our friends over at PHLY are having. Everybody has news except us. People are firing GMs. They're firing coaches. They're in the playoffs. And meanwhile, we sit here on the outside looking in,

waiting for something to happen. But I am so thrilled to have you guys here. Welcome in, Zabe. Welcome in Deborah. to have you guys here. Of course, this is the PHNX Diamondback show and is presented by our friends at Bet365 in GameTime. Make sure to go download that Bet365 app right now. Use our code of PHNX 365 when you sign up, get yourself some bonus bets as a new customer. We're following a few easy steps over at Game Time. Use our code of PHNX and you'll get yourself $20 off on your first purchase

of those already low last minute ticket deals. Glad to have you guys here. I'm joined by the Freckled Mamba himself, Erriton, on the ones and twos today. And, we're all kind of pumped around the office to have this full slate of MLB postseason elimination games today. Four games today, very exciting. Do wish that the WAMBA finals and the Mercury got themselves a little bit more of a prime time stage. I feel like they deserve it instead of that game starting at 5 p.m., which is ridiculous. But we do have a full slate of MLB games, and I'm sure that's why they pushed the NBA finals off or WMBA finals off here. But it's exciting, man.

I mean, we have the potential of all four games seeing an elimination today. And some teams moving on, there are some very dominant teams so far and some good matchups. Of course, we are a Seattle Mariners podcast as well around here, as well as a postseason podcast. And we are rooting for our sea snakes from Seattle, not just to appease Shane, who would be an utter mess if they don't advance past Noah's Tigers. but also because that is a very fun team to watch, and they have quite a few former Arizona Diamondbacks players over there as we've been spying on them.

Those Mariners did take a series lead last night by 2 to 1 and can clinch their first ALCS appearance since 2001. And let me tell you, Shane will not stop talking about 2001. That's key. We want a big win today to make sure to get past that. Bryce Miller, despite having his struggle, this season for Seattle, he takes the mound for the M's, and the Tigers facing elimination will counter with Casey Mize. And of course, Mize has not gone very far in his other postseason

appearances, so it's a good chance that the Tigers will get into their bullpen early on. But the Mariners just kind of, you know, were punched in the mouth there. They lost that game one in extra innings at home, and we discussed it, much like the WNBA finals. This series doesn't doesn't really start until a team loses on the road. And it looked bad for the Mariners, considering that they lost game one. And then they had to look forward to catching Terrick Scoobal in game two, possibly losing both of their home games. But instead, they fought back. Great performances here. Cal Rally has been as advertised. He wasn't just a home run leader. He's a leader of this team, and it has been thrilling to watch him come up big. That is something that we discussed

a little bit yesterday, how exciting it would be to see the Yankees advance and see this slugging matchup between Cal Rally and Aaron Judge there in the ALCS. But who knows if we will see that? Hopefully the Seattle Mariners can get the job done. It does look like

they might have another battle with Terrick Scouble on the horizon if the series gets extended to five games. So it would really be great for them to get the job done. RA, meanwhile, says hoping it goes to game five. I think that's how we feel when we don't have a stake in it, right? Like, you kind of just want everything to go to a

winner takes all game. It's the reason why I don't completely disagree with John Boy's playoff reassessment that he wants to do, his plan for not only adding extra teams to major league baseball, but his plan to add more teams to the playoffs by not really having these big series, but having, you know, a one game elimination game in the first round, then a three game series in the second round and then moving on there to the more, you know, five game and seven game series from that point. But it's because winner take all games are exciting and it's fun. However, I do feel like it's a little bit drastic to have 162 game season, come down to one single game and one single playoff. Yet we did win one of those over here. I don't know what I'm complaining about. That was a,

that was a really fun win over the Colorado Rockies and Archie Bradley still won't shut up about it. So that's how big it is for some people. there's some baby updates for one Josh Naylor. Shane, again, noted Mariners expert, knew the baby was here when Naylor had an 11 pitch at bat in the second inning against Jack Flaherty. He was back and Shane knew it and he was right because after the game, Josh did confirm the birth of his first child. Very minimal words spoken about it and again, Josh is a private man.

So we'll keep it somewhat private by saying congrats to the first time parents on the birth of their child. It is life-changing. I've said it before, but I wouldn't be sitting here on this program talking to you guys had it not been for the birth of my daughter. She inspired me to do more with my life because at one point I knew I was going to have to answer to her what my profession was. And it was really hard explaining to her what I did at the bank. So she definitely is a big reason why I sit here today. And it's always amazing how a baby can change your life. So congrats to the nailers. advice is and considering what Josh is going through right now at the postseason, I know this is very difficult, but enjoy every minute of it, Josh, because as a dad, I will say that no a piece of advice was more true than how quickly this time passes by. And the minute you get used to a baby or a child being one thing, they transform into a completely different thing. It's wild. You start catching up, you start keeping pace, and they change up the tempo. That's how kids are. So, but again, congrats and and try.

your best to enjoy every moment because again speaking as the father of a 14 year old who complains about me not putting enough seaweed in her lunch that she takes to school. It all pass by entirely too fast. Speaking of things passing by entirely too fast, this Cubs series with the Brewers might pass by entirely too fast for Chicago fans. The Brewers lead the series two to nothing and they look fairly dominant over the Cubs. I'm not going to lie. It does not look like the Cubs have a chance in the series. Quinn Priester starts for Milwaukee versus Jamison Tyon.

We'll take the ball for the Cubs. Great pitcher there on the mound. But again, the brewers have just been dominant offensively. They have not looked like they missed a beat from what they were this season. And they continue to have some good strategies over there. Pat Murphy is a great coach. And you gave a great coach,

a young, fun team that's exciting. And also pocket pancakes. I still don't understand the pocket pancakes. And I am a connoisseur of many foods. I have yet to try a pocket pancake, but it somehow brought that team a remarkable amount of success. So I don't know. Pocket pancakes for everybody, I guess.

By the way, the Milwaukee Brewers make pocket pancakes, and they even have like a pocket pancake taco thing that you can get at their stadium. And I've never honestly wanted to try anything more. But that's just because I love ballpark food. But yeah, it does look like the Cubs are in some trouble. this series shifts back to Wrigley Field, and that's a tough place to play. So again, I mean, it's the friendly confines, but it's only friendly for those covey. So hopefully they can extend this series and make something out of it.

We did kind of choose them as our Dark Horse NL team. That's what I get. I shouldn't have chosen an NL team. I should have known better. We should have just stuck with the Mariners and left it at that. And for that, I'm sorry to our brothers from CHDO for what I might have cursed your team with. The Yankees, meanwhile, they did survive their elimination game last night. They had a dramatic comeback win after being down a lot early,

and they force a decisive here game. Not, I guess, decisive. Every game is decisive now for the Yankees, but they have a decisive game for where their backs are still up against the wall. And rookie Cam Schlittler, as we talked about last night, is slated to start, of course, and still nothing from the Blue Jays as far as who their starter is going to be. The Yankees have momentum on their side. If you believe momentum is a real thing,

I don't know how many people out there do, but it would appear that New York has momentum on their side. I do want to address one thing, by the way. Yankees fans booed O Canada. And I feel like this is a tough spot to be in, having a team from a different country, come here, and then have them have an anthem that's essentially just for them, right?

It's almost like wrestling theme music, if you will. But at the same time, I won't lie. It's a bad look. It's a bad look, Yankees fans. I get it, but it's a bad look. And I don't think we should be booing anthems. Boo starting lineups, boo when pitchers come out, boo guys coming up to the plate.

I don't know if booing an anthem is exactly, you know, the best strategy or at least the best look there, Ayrton. Thoughts on booing another country's anthem. You deal with this with the sons playing teams in Canada as well. Do they boo the old Canada? I've never heard anything like that.

It's crazy, right? It's nuts. But also give it to Yankees fans. Right. They'll find a new way to have a lack of class. That's for sure. I mean, every postseason, they find brand new ways to invent a lack of class tearing balls out of guys' hands and booing the national anthem. I feel like that almost got back.

Bad Bunny hurt. Do not hurt bad bunny. I am Puerto Rican and let me tell you, we will not stand for Bad Bunny Slander at all, by the way. He almost got hit by a foul ball sitting right behind the home plate. And I blame it on the karma. I blame it on the karma. I feel like the negative karma from the stadium almost made one of the greatest artists of our generation get taken out. And don't talk to me about, don't even have that discussion with me. Because again, I'm Puerto Rican, which I'm American, by the way, and we're not going to have the discussion about Bad Bunny playing at the Super Bowl because I am going to be there for every second of it.

I'm not changing the channel. I might record it and rewatch it in days to come afterwards. But things I won't watch is the Dodgers versus the Phillies. I don't even want to watch this game, but I do kind of want to watch the Phillies finally exit, and I'm sure that's going to happen tonight in Los Angeles. The Dodgers do lead that series 2 to O, and they seek to advance with a suite. and they have Yoshinobu Yamamoto on the mound. So that Phillies lineup that's already been struggling against Dodgers pitching,

good luck tonight against the Dodgers best in Yamamoto. He starts for Los Angeles. He faces Aaron Nola for the Phillies. So again, the Dodgers, they have not really been outgunning the Phillies in the same way we've seen in some of these other matches. Toronto beat the brakes off of the Yankees. We've seen the Brewers look like an unstoppable juggernaut. Meanwhile, and even the Mariners finally had their big offensive breakout game last night.

The Phillies have done a great job of keeping the Dodgers in these games. The problem is that the Phillies are not generating enough offense to overcome what the Dodgers are doing, whether it's three runs, four runs, you know, whatever amount of runs. And also the Dodgers figured out their bullpen, as we talked about a little bit. That was their main Achilles heel, and they kind of have Roki Sasaki now in this closer role that seems to be working well for them. They just have to figure out how to get through that seventh and eighth inning. If they can do so, I think they'll be able to finish off the Phillies tonight. I think Yamamoto is going to give him another great start,

and I would not be surprised to see that series end in Los Angeles with a 3-0 sweep. Meanwhile, looking at the rest of these series, I feel very strongly that the New York Yankees have a chance. Schlittler was incredible in his last outing, and if he brings that same energy, like meanwhile, he does not have the hate of the Boston Red Sox on his side this time. The Boston Red Sox fans apparently went in on him or went after his mom on social media.

and that caused Cam to turn into a superhuman. I'm not sure if you can still generate that kind of performance without the hate and pettiness driving him. And you know Toronto Blue Jays fans are far too nice, far too respectful to ever give him that kind of fuel for the fire. So it'll be interesting if you can still have another dominant postseason performance. And I feel strongly that the Yankees are going to extend that and send that series back to Toronto.

I do think it's a wrap for the Chicago. Cubs. These are my predictions for tonight. I think the Cubs are once again outgunned by the Brewers. And I really do hope the Mariners finish the job here against the Tigers. I really think that if the Mariners do not win today against the Tigers, there is a good chance that the Mariners are going to lose this series back in Detroit against, or excuse me, back in Seattle against Tarek Scouble. Now, they did win the last time. So again, there's not much to say that that is based because it was a surprising win over scoble. But still nonetheless, we were rooting for our sea snakes, as Elizabeth says,

let's go see snakes. And man, I just love this. Days like this are the best days to be a baseball fan. Inject this directly into my veins. Four potential elimination games scattered throughout my day. I'm sitting here like a kid in class. I'm not even thinking about doing this show right now. I'm just dreaming about going and sitting on the recliners

and putting all the TVs on. So baseball at least brings us this joy today. And thank God, because we need a distraction from all the terrible things happening in our other sports that aren't the WNBA and the Mercury. So, well, I don't know about that. The suns have some good things cook in. And I think they're going to be surprising. We're going to talk about that tomorrow on Southwest bias. By the way, I'm doing two shows now while ESPO is out.

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to see what exactly the identity of this Arizona Diamondbacks team is. But we do know down the stretch they made lots of changes with their personnel and one of the most impactful changes seemed to be adding catcher James McCann to the roster. Now, this was done after Gabriel Moreno experienced a hand injury and essentially the Diamondbacks were left with Jose Herrera

and a very questionable Adrian Del Castillo as they're catching options. So based on the suggestion from one brilliant Corbin Burns, they went out and picked up James McCann, a veteran backup catcher to come in here and help this team just get through the injury of Gabriel Moreno. It was yet another patch on the Diamondbacks 2025 season. It was a tire filled with patches. It looked like a bicycle tire from like a Looney Tunes cartoon,

you know, with all the little patches sewn into it all over the place, right? That was the 2025 season. This didn't feel like a move to improve the team. This didn't feel like a move that you do where there's just a great player available on the market and you go out and add them. This was, I don't want to say desperation move, but this was to bring in a body,

that the Diamondbacks needed to fill due to injury, and they did it based on, you know, Corbyn Burns kind of giving a glowing review of James McCann as a person and as a player. It proves that James McCann came to this team to bring his gigantic arms here, wrapped in, you know, wraps and looking very handsome. A sexy man, Jane McCann,

aka Big Body James McCann, comes here, does a great job. Immediately starts gassing up guys like Z. Zach Gallin starts discussing how good he assesses this team to be and really does start putting in the work to help this team kind of get out of the rut they were in around the trade deadline and after the trade deadline. And they improved and they bounced back. And McCann was a huge part of that, right?

He not only played so well that he improved the pitching staff and gave Zach Gallen somehow his confidence back, but he just became a leader in the dugout. They discussed James McCann and the conversations. Tori Lovela discussed the baseball conversations that were happening in the dugout. Those are the things where guys are just sharing information, talking about what's going on with the opposing pitcher, coaching each other, giving each other advice,

telling each other what they're seeing out there. And again, the experience that McCann brought to this team, I think was by far the most valuable trait that he brought. Because, again, this is a young team. With this Arizona Diamondbacks team, experience, they've had some great experience. That run in the 2023 postseason was invaluable for him. But at the same time, too,

the experience of James McCann is something that you can't rush with any of these young players and the ability to have a veteran like that as a part of your team that can share that experience with those young players, again, is a very, very valuable trait that you just can't get everywhere else. Sometimes those vets don't produce enough.

They don't perform well enough for them to stick around and be able to share that experience with young players. The Diamondbacks have had that in their past, including in that 2023 season with Evan Longoria. His veteran leadership proved to be very, very powerful for this team. And a lot of players credited him for being a big part of why they were able to go on that run in the postseason. But now we sit here at this point where the Diamondbacks had some, such a belief in James McCann and they were so happy with what he was doing that they proceeded

to move on from Jose Herrera as being the backup when Gabrielle Moreno returned. And they basically did like a timeshare behind the plate with James McCann and Gabby. And it got to the point where we actually saw McCann kind of take over behind home plate as the primary catcher for this team down the stretch when the games were most important. And we saw Gabriel Moreno relegated to a kind of a DH role overall. So this leaves a lot of questions for 2026 and a lot of questions about Gabby, right, in regards to how this organization feels about him and where they feel like he was at behind the plate. Now, I have some stats that I pulled. And the most amazing things about this, I think will be, as you'll see, is how close these two pitchers or these two catchers

actually are in their statistics. This season, James McCann caught 42 games for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Gabriel Marino caught 83 games. He caught 500, Moreno, 598 innings to McCann's 316 innings caught. The most amazing stat about this was when I pulled their caught stealing stats there, and their caught stealing percentage was identical at 19.2. It didn't make any sense to me at all. And again, it goes to show that these two players, these two catchers are very even. But Gabriel Moreno, meanwhile, was having a downseason. And this is just where James McCann is at.

Gabriel Moreno in 2024 had a 28.6% caught stealing percentage. In 2023, he led baseball with a 38.6% caught stealing percentage. So this was a bad year for Gabby. Injuries probably played into this strongly. But still, you don't feel like this 19.2% is indicative of what Gabriel Moreno is going to be. I think this is just more of an indication of what he was. However, there are a lot of things that it feels like James McCann were better at. And when you take a look at the statistics between these two players,

you'll see that they actually, he wasn't. I mean, Gabby had three pass balls. McCann had zero. But Gabby almost had nearly double the amount of games caught allowing for those opportunities for pass balls to happen. Meanwhile, here they had 996 fielding percentage for James McCann and 998 for Gabriel Moreno. And Gabriel Moreno actually had, that's a, that that stat is off not to attack Eriton here. But Gabriel Moreno had 28 assists and James McCann had 14. So these two players, again, were very, very close on all of their statistics this year.

And they didn't really differ as much as you might think, at least as much. as even I talked about on this show. I feel like I was a proponent of this. And it's mostly because of McCann's gigantic arms and the fact that he wears Ultimate Warrior armbands. Like, I'm not supposed to be in love with that guy. But also, I adore Gabby Moreno. And I think he is one of the best players that the Diamondbacks have acquired through trade and the way they did for that Dalton Bar Show trade. I think he's a huge part of this team's future. And I think as far as the core is concerned of Catele Marte, Corby, Corbyn. Carol and Herald O'Prodomo, I really do feel like Gabby Moreno should be the fourth man in that

quartet. I feel like he should be the next one extended. I do feel like this down season gives the Diamondbacks an opportunity to maybe press a little harder to make that extension happen, because as of right now, Gabby is under contract through the 2029 season when he would become a free agent. He will go through arbitration in 2026, and his salary will be much bigger than it was. I think he was making $763,000 last year, probably make close to $2.1 million going forward next year. Another reason why the Diamondbacks are going to have some problems when it comes to just their payroll overall, because the guys that are here, a lot of them, their salaries are going to be increasing on top of the fact that the Diamondbacks need to go out there and find players to replace the ones leaving with a limited budget, right?

but the most important factor for me here is pitching ERA. And it's kind of crazy to me once again because even I found some of these numbers to be a bit surprising here at the end of the season. The Diamondbacks pitching staff ERA with James McCann catching had a 4.02 ERA and a 250 opponent batting average. Meanwhile, with Moreno behind the plate, the Diamondbacks pitching staff had a

a 4.80 ERA and a 253 opponent batting average. Opponent batting average, almost identical once again, as are many stats between Gabby and James McCann. But the 4.80ERA, again, much bigger sample size for Gabby Moreno as far as games that he caught behind the plate. However, it still is substantially more than with James McCann back there. And I feel like that right there is the biggest reason why when you look at what the Diamondbacks did

down the stretch to end the 2025 season, that is the reason why they turned to James McCann for more appearances behind the plate than any other reason. It is because they felt like with McCann back there, that difference in ERA, 0.72 earned runs, that's significant enough to have somebody to have McCann back there over Gabby. I feel like the biggest difference overall

because so many of these numbers are so similar is James McCann's ability to call the game. And I know from hearing from pitchers and from, I mean, even prior to McCann calling the game, the reason why guys like Zach Gallen and Merrill Kelly seem to favor Jose Herrera behind the plate is because he called the game. And I think that a catcher calling the game

is the way that this game should be. I felt like it was crazy and it made me once again feel like a very old person, as does a lot of things in life almost every single day. When I found out, you know, with the pitchcom and stuff that pitchers were calling the games now and calling their pitches. Like that just doesn't, there's too much hubris on the pitcher's side. It's the same reason why I would never let pitchers ever call for the, for a review of the ABS system once it's implemented.

As far as like the balls and strikes, a pitcher's always going to think that they're in the right there, right? So again, I feel like it's much better there to go with the catcher who has a different perspective on it, understand, sees things differently, sees things better than the pitcher's seeing and knows when things were ball or strike. But also a catcher behind the plate calling a game can see when batters are being aggressive. He can see when a pitch isn't working, whereas a pitcher might be stubborn in their approach to making a pitcher work. And I think that these are all the reasons why the one thing Gabby Moreno needs to work on besides, you know, his arm there and his arm, I don't know if it's arm strength, but maybe it's just his general.

approach to getting runners at second base, because I would love to see him gunning guys out again like he did back in 2023 is the fact that this, that Gabby does not call the games or has not been credited with his game calling behind the plate as much as someone like James McCann is. I think though the craziest, again, that that's the biggest difference. The biggest difference is the staff ERA with McCann behind the plate versus Moreno. And that's probably the only argument anybody could make for James McCann

having more time next year than Gavin Reno. As it stands, McCann is a free agent, but I do think that the Diamondbacks absolutely should bring him back. I think that things that he does, like he's just not only a backup catcher, but he's an additional coach, essentially, in the dugout. And the knowledge that he can bring to this team,

again, very valuable. He made Zach Gallen kind of believe in himself again. But the results, if you drill down for Zach the results weren't there with James McCann. Zach Gallen just started kind of pitching better during that time, but he's thought his struggles with McCann, and believe it or not, again, even though it's a smaller sample size, Zach Gallen had a higher ERA with James McCann behind the plate than he did with Gabby.

This season, Zach Gallen's ERA with McCannes behind the plate was 4.69, and behind the plate with Gabby Moreno was 4.61. Again, that's a point that I've probably beat up entirely too much about the difference between James McElland. McCann and Gabriel Moreno is how much McCann had individually improved the Diamondbacks standing ace, right? So that felt like something that was more real than it actually is when you sit here and look at the numbers at the end of the season. And again, this is also a smaller sample size. So there's no way to really know. But, you know, again, this is one of those

situations where Gabrielle Moreno should be the catcher of the future. And he should be who the Diamondbacks invest in going forward, right? Like, there is time here that net is being put in and that experience that we're talking about James McCann cannot come to Gabby Moreno if he is splitting time equally with James McCann or for some reason not doing as much back there. El Gairo is here talking and he cannot stand the idea of bringing James McCann back for some reason. And that I don't get. Like, I feel. feel like James McCann coming back here is not as negative as you're making it out to be, as long as McCann doesn't come back as the primary catcher.

The Diamondbacks are going to need a backup, and Tori Lavallo is going to be the manager next year, whether some of you like it or not, right? Tori Lavallo-led team will never have like a catcher being back there five days out of six. Most of the time, it's going to be a timeshare situation where you have one guy getting a little bit more of the reps than the other guy. And that's just the way that Toy Lobolo runs his team. If you put those defensive metrics Ayrton back up on the screen, you'll see that the one benefit here, maybe, you know, again,

I am with you in the idea here that I do not think Gabriel Moreno should lose his position as the number one catcher on the depth chart to James McCann. But when you look at these numbers, what you are getting from James McCann as a backup is a guy that's producing at the same level as Gabriel Moreno. So there's not this huge drop-off. And we're going to go over the offensive numbers here momentarily. But just defensively, you can see there that this team is not, it's just not this team that is so much better with James McCann back there. But McCann is a much better backup for this team than Jose Herrera.

There might be relationships. There might have been friendships. But I feel like at the end of the day what McCann brings on top of that production that we just showed there, is the fact. But let me see. Played 83 games, but 75 is catcher. The rest is DH. Yeah, you're right about that.

R.A., my bad. I did put in there his games played this year and not necessarily just his catching performances. But still, 75 games. He did play a handful of DH and was not very good when hitting at DH. So we're going to go over those numbers on the other side of this break.

We're going to take a quick break right now when we're going to still talk about this battle between James McCann and Gabby Moreno. Don't you go anywhere. You're watching the pH next time in Beck show. All right, Phoenix. It doesn't matter what you're gearing up for, whether you're gearing up for the WNBA finals tonight,

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I wondered where that left him. I feel like the big problem with Del Castillo once again is a lack of satisfaction with his defense behind the plate with his caught stealing percentages with a lot of these defensive metrics that we went over.

You're not going to find any problem with ADC's offense despite the fact he's a bit streaky. That could absolutely be blamed on the lack of playing time he receives and I still don't really know how he's going to factor into this team in 2026 and beyond.

There are a few rookies I felt, or not rookies, young players, Blaise Alexander, Adrian Del Castillo, guys that stepped up for this team. I feel like Blaze secured a spot for himself for next year. It's just going to be interesting to see if the Diamondbacks are committed to Jordan Lawler

playing third base, and that's going to be their everyday regular third baseman in 2026, and that would move Blaze probably to left field to take over for the injured Lourdes-Guriel Jr. With the limited resources they have, that kind of makes sense, even though that's something that might be hard to accept, considering that we've still seen Jordan Lawler struggle both defensively and at the plate. And again, Blaze Alexander, once he moved out to the outfield,

or moved around the diamond, I should say, we saw his offensive numbers impacted. Perhaps just giving him those everyday reps at the same position can help Blaze find that consistency at the plate and maybe, again, even giving a guy like Jordan Lawler, everyday reps. And I agree about Adrian Del Castillo. But it's the reason why here that the most important catcher in this equation continues to be Gabriel Moreno.

Gabriel Moreno is the guy that this Diamondback's team needs to focus on because he is the future of this team. He is the foreseeable starting catcher for the next three seasons. And quite frankly, like I said earlier, should be extended beyond that so that he remains part of this core and remains a Diamondback for a very long time. But taking a look at their offensive numbers, you'll see here once again that the edge goes to Gabriel Moreno, but not by much, right? And again, Moreno missed a significant amount of time with a hand injury that's very difficult to come back from. So his offensive numbers

being impacted by time missed and by the injury, as well as just kind of a confusing situation when he returned, kind of could have impacted what we're seeing here. But overall batting average 260 for James McCann this season, 285 for Gabriel Moreno. Moreno had nine home runs to McCann's five. Marino had 40 RBI. James McCann had 17. Moreno posted a 786 OPS to James McCann's 754. McCann had a one B-war.

Gabriel Moreno had a 1.6 B-Wore. And then barrel percentage, almost a push there with McCann having a 7.6 percent barrel rate and Gabby having a 7.1 percent barrel rate. And let's see here. in the chat says maybe give Dell some reps in the outfield in spring training, see what he can do. I also don't hate the idea of once again, much like Moneyball converting a catcher into a first basement and seeing if Adrian Del Castillo might be able to help them over there with their first basement issue. Like maybe the idea of moving these guys around is the key, right? But the fact of

the matter is, is that Gabriel Moreno, in order for him to become the play caller that we are hearing McCann is, he needs those games. He needs those reps and he needs them behind the plate. He doesn't need them at DH. I don't think Gabriel Moreno is the answer at DH, and I don't love the idea of that. I mean, I know that they wanted his bat in there late in the season. I don't foresee this being the case in 2026,

nor do I foresee his numbers as a DH being so bad. I think a lot of this still was impacted by returning from that hand injury. But in eight games, as a designated hitter in 2025, Gabriel Moreno slash 130, 230, 276, 130 for a 406 OPS. He had zero home runs and two RBI. So not a great,

not a great situation for him as DH. And at the end of the day, I still feel very strongly about bringing James McCann back. But making sure that Gabriel Moreno is the starting catcher that gets the majority of the reps. I feel like McCann,

and when we talk about his experience, when we talk about everything that he brings to this team, his years in Major League Baseball, it probably doesn't even need to be said to McCann that he would be being brought back not only in a backup role, but being brought on in a way to share his tutelage with Gabriel Moreno and help make him a better catcher. And honestly, I saw a relationship developing last year towards the end of the year between Gabby and McCann. And I think that if you bring McCann back, that relationship can continue to flourish.

And quite frankly, I mean, again, he still feels like a better backup option for this team than ADC or Jose Herrera. So I also felt like I've seen a lot of players be added to this roster. And I don't really think I've ever seen anybody that adapted so quickly to the team culture and to just kind of being one of the guys in the clubhouse as quickly as quickly as well. McCann. Again, that experience he has of being a major league baseball player, plays strongly into that, but it also just has to do with the type of person McCann is. He's the kind of guy that's giving young guys advice in the dugout and then also sprinkling sunflower seeds into their hair when they're not looking. Blaze, still remember that. And again, there's just there, there isn't enough that

can be said about that. Plus McCann's going to be cheap as an option for this team. I did think that he showed his value off so there probably will be other teams interested in him as well as a free agent. But I just think bringing James McCann back is the absolute smartest move that this team could make. And again, though, that that return would have to be in the capacity of backing up Gabbyo Moreno. Morano is the future of this team. He is Corbyn Carroll's best friend. And I don't understand any of these relationships or friendships, but I love them and I adore them. I'm so happy that that that is how this team feels about each other and when you hear gabby talk about corbin and corbin talked about perdomo and perdomo talk about blaze and blaze talk about all of those

guys and coming up with all these guys it's a special group and i think that the only the only way that this diamond backs team can succeed is sifting through finding the diamonds in the rough as they have extending those guys as they have and keeping them here long term and continuing to add to this team you know, in small ways, especially role players, veteran guys like McGahn, guys that can just help make this team not only better on the field with their performance, but can help make each one of these guys that the Diamondbacks are investing in so much, investing in so strongly to make them the next level or help them get to that next level. So again, though, I know that so many of you feel strongly about this,

and I think that at the core of it, it's because, like El Gaiio, he's a Del Castillo fan. So many people are Moreno fans. Like at the end of the day, this team seems to succeed when they put those young players first and give them an opportunity to go out there and not only make mistakes and figure things out, but win games for this baseball team. Gabriel Moreno's past metrics make me believe so strongly in him getting back there. But this was a bad season in a lot of different ways. And I think that, you know, the biggest concern for me for Gabby besides play calling,

is his health. If he can stay healthy, have a strong offseason, and come back improved in 2026. I believe that Moreno could get back to some of these numbers that we've seen him post so far already in his career, especially like that 38.6% caught stealing percentage. That's sexy. That's sexier than James McCann's arms for sure. So again, hope to see Moreno back healthy and hope to see him delivering in the way that he has so far. But we already talked, little bit about how much the Cardinals broke our heart. A great way to kind of find community is not only with our PHNX Cardinals show, where Bo and Johnny do such an amazing job. But come on out for our live events. It's always a great time. You can join the PH&X Cardinals crew for a pregame

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Let's see. RA has given us an update. The sea snakes are up 1-0 right now on a Dom-can zone RBI single. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Love when the form. Diamondbacks are doing things in the playoff. Love to see that for those guys.

Also, it hurts. And it's heartbreaking to see our former players doing big things in the playoffs, by the way. So, and let me tell you, doing this show, I find a new appreciation for things that I never appreciated as a fan. A lot of it has to do with the production level of the broadcast cameras,

like how cameras are pointed, how much headroom there is on shots. These are all things that I never cared about, but I'm obsessed with now whenever I watch what happened like yesterday in the Tigers Mariners game where that game was delayed due to a rain delay and the hosts out there, which are a bunch of MLB legends in their own right, had to kind of treadwater, forgive the pun here, but they had to tread water to get through that and to entertain the people watching

until the game finally started, which was, I believe, around like 3.34 o'clock our time. But besides Big Poppy being a weatherman, which, as I told you yesterday, was one of my favorite things of the rain delay. We also had during this rain delay, Derek Jeter get a phone call live on Fox Sports, revealing that he has now, due to the rain delay, missed a parent-teacher conference for one of his children.

The interruption led to, of course, David Ortiz and Kevin Burckhardt giving Jeter a hard time about taking the call during the broadcast. And I don't blame Derek Jeter because life doesn't stop because there's a rain delay, quite frankly. We have things scheduled. Like, I'm supposed to be off air at one o'clock, you know, right? Like, if I'm not off air at one o'clock, I'm going to be getting a phone call for my daughter,

whether I'm on air or not. She's going to be like, hey, what are you doing? What are we doing for lunch? That's what my daughter is going to be doing, right? So, Jeter is a father or four, and he handled the situation so wonderfully. But my favorite part about it was that he has. that he had to say he was going to miss the parent teacher conference. And then he followed that up with the most insincere, so sorry guys I've ever heard in my life.

And the reason why is because I'll tell you this to people who aren't parents, and this is great advice for Josh Naylor, who is now a new father. As a parent, there is nothing I hate more than parent-teacher conferences. Nothing. Nothing I hate more. And they've only gotten progressively worse as my daughter's gotten older. Those early days, they took it easy on us. She was an angel. She was the best.

It was great to have her in class. And then you get to junior high school and you are no longer having a meeting with a sweet elementary school teacher. No, no, no, no. Now you're having it with a board of junior high teachers who all have all the terrible things to tell you about your child, no matter how small they are. And if you get defensive, you know that that's only going to cause them to look at you like, that's why she's this way, right? And that's why parent teacher conferences are terrible. I'm supposed to go into a meeting about my child and hear how bad of a job she's been doing at school.

I don't want that in my life. I didn't sign up for this. I mean, I do as a parent understand my role in making sure that she maintains good grades, stays in school. flourishes, prospers, thrives, makes it, goes to college, has her dream job and lives the best life that she's ever lived. However, I don't know if parent-teacher conferences are the key to that. And I don't know if me being in them is the best. And also, they're all back to being in person, by the way.

I don't know if Derek Jeter's was in person. But I went through a time where my daughter was not only in school, but she was schooled at home because of a pandemic that you. you may or may not have forgotten that happened. That was the best time for all parent-teacher conversations. They all happened through Zoom. They were all quick. Very little information was shared. It was great.

But now here we sit back to parent-teacher conferences happening in person. I'll tell you, they're just the worst thing ever. And let me tell you, I'm very sensitive about my daughter. She's an incredible person, and I will always have her back. So it's very hard for me as a dad to just sit there and listen to a complete stranger. This person who I never met before in my life now telling me all of these negative things about my daughter, it's not going to register with me. And I just sit there and bite my tongue.

I let my wife do the heavy lifting because she's much nicer in these scenarios than I am. And I would use any excuse that I could to get out of a parent-teacher conference. So Derek Jeter, who obviously he's a much more experienced father than I am, considering he has four children. they're all very young. None of them are teenagers in high school. He handled that amazingly. And I'm sure, like I said, at the end of the day, probably really thrilled that that rain delay happened and that he didn't have to be at that parent teacher conference. Zabe, aka Elizabeth, and our chat says, when is the mayoral daughter going to be on the show to Rose Derek? Now, see, that's a great question because I'm sure she would love to be on this show simply to do that. But I I don't know if she's ready to roast me under the pressure, right? Like, this is a lot of pressure being live and under these studio lights. She just casually roasts me on an everyday kind of scenario. I'm, and let me tell you how sick I am of the number six and seven.

I am so sick of both the numbers six and seven having a high school teenager. I can't even explain to you. I can't express how much I hate the number six and seven. But we'll make that happen soon, very much so. we need to have the mayor old daughter on here. But again, this was a funny thing because I loved David Ortiz telling Jeter to take the phone call while it was happening. I love the way that they handled it. And again, it's real life happening right in front of us because it decided to rain in Detroit for that game. Speaking of Detroit, I also called the fact that I knew Gino Suarez was going

to have a big game because he was very familiar with Comerica Park. And I knew he was going to step out for that one. But again, we have some elimination games. I want to go watch baseball right now. You guys are giving me updates that our sea snakes are up one to nothing. And I very much want to get out there to watch that. So there's also, I did a hint to it yesterday. There's also a Civil War brewing here in the office. Because should today's Mariners score hold and the Mariners win this game right now, they're up one to nothing in the bottom of the third inning, that would mean the Mariners are going to to the ALCS and most likely take on the Toronto Blue Jays. Now, things were already bad enough between the production staff

because it was Shane's Mariners versus Noah's Tigers. But at the next level, we are going to get a relationship, civil war between Shane and Leah, because Leah is from Toronto and she very much reps the Blue Jays. And then her significant other here, Shane, to say he lives and dies with the Mariners would be an understatement, right? Eriton, like, his level of fandom definitely goes above fanatic and more into the trauma range of being a fan of a team, right? I thought he was diehard ASU until I saw him watch a Mariners game yesterday.

The funny thing about the Mariners is he will talk to you about that team, no matter who you are, like you know everything about that team. he'll just come up and start talking to you about Gilbert, you know, shoving and Polanco finally doing the thing. And you're just like, I don't know who any of these guys are. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with your baseball team, Shane. I mean, I am because I do this, but most of these people in the office he goes and talks to, it screams out about this team. And again, it's Shane and Leah.

How much are we going to get done over that seven-game series around this office, Ayrton? Because I feel like everything is just going to be very much revolving those games, they take place and how much access we have to those people. And then like we have the fallout. We have the fallout. One one of them is going to be very sad. And if it's Shane, I don't know if he'll ever recover from it, quite frankly.

I haven't even thought about the production side. All I've thought about is the destruction that is going to happen. Yeah. Like that the feelings that are going to be hurt, the way that relationships will be changed forever. And that is why we love baseball so much. Appreciate you guys. so much for being here.

AZ Native in the chat says, let's replicate another Varshow. I wouldn't hate that in turning a catcher into a very good defensive player that can go out there and help your team win baseball games. And again, that was what R.A. was kind of alluding to with Adrian Del Castillo.

And again, I don't know, but I think that Mike Hazen has a lot of things to fix with this team. And we've discussed the pitching. We're going to discuss potential free agents, as well as still give out our report cards for all of our players. That's going to start next week. So make sure to join us for Report Card Week here.

I don't know if it's weak. It'll probably be report card weeks. But we're going to go back and revisit how some of these guys did during the 2025 season, much like we did here with Gabriel Marino and James McCann. And honestly, I don't know. I mean, the Diamondbacks with some of their talented players with guys like Blaze that have that ability to be multi-talented and play in a utility role, I would just like this team to figure out where their weaknesses, where they need to address, and who can help them

that is currently on this roster or in Reno, by the way. That's another thing is that there still could be some young guys from Reno, especially with these trades made that could help this team next year. And I'm still looking at Cole Drake and still potentially making an impact on the Diamondbacks. if it'll be to start the season, considering his injury that he experienced. But hopefully we'll see Drake and some of the other young players that Diamondbacks got through those trades at the deadline make that impact on the season. But we will be back again tomorrow with another 12 p.m. show.

We're going to recap who got eliminated and who's still alive. Plus we'll have more on the Arizona Diamondbacks and what they're going to do in 2026. So until then, we thank you guys so much for stopping by. We appreciate you giving us your time. Again, your time is your most valuable commodity. can't thank you enough for sharing it with us. Follow me on Twitter. I am at Kapp underscore Cedman with a K.

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We hope that we see some teams get eliminated, including those tigers so that our Mariners can move on. And, of course, we'll be talking about it all tomorrow. Guys, have a wonderful night. Behave yourselves, Elizabeth. I'm giving it to Elizabeth this time. You behave yourself tonight. Again, appreciate you guys' time.

And remember, kids, baseball is fun, but it is so much more fun when, once again, your sea snakes can advance to the ALCS.