PHNX Arizona Diamondbacks Podcast - Yordan Alvarez and the Astros take a commanding lead over the Mariners

Episode Date: October 14, 2022

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Hello and welcome again from Goose Town. Of course, I'm your mayor of PHNX, occasionally known as Derek Montia. This silly goose over here is the one and only thunderstick, Jesse Friedman. I listened back to our show yesterday and my silly goose comment came across as extraordinarily corny. Pretty much just as corny as the comment that you just made. No, that was good. No, that was solid. I believe in that.

I believe in that comment and I stand by it. And I welcome all of you guys in to another edition of PHNX. Deepak's right here on PHNX. Of course, this show is brought to you by the fine folks. the Draft King's Sportsbook app, and we are here to talk postseason baseball. More importantly, Jordana Alvarez is really just giving the Seattle Mariners fit so much so that their fans are already planning some sort of pathetic thank you parade without even their team being out of the playoffs yet. It's kind of sad, but we were a Mariners standing out. Now, of course, we're all goose

all the time. But Jesse, what are your thoughts on the Astros going up to know? Two to know, oh, on the Mariners. It really felt like

they had a shot to win that game. Talking about the Mariners. Luis Castillo is pitching really, really well as he has. I mean, I think Luis Castillo is you feel about as good

about him going out there for you as you would any starting pitcher in the playoffs. But Yordaun Alvarez, man, that guy is so freaking good. And once again, he comes up with an enormous two-run home run in this situation.

And it wasn't a walk-off home run like his first one in the series, but it wound up proving to be the difference in that game. And the Mariners are in a rough spot, Derek. It's going to be rough for them. They're not in a good spot. And I have to ask, are you jealous of seeing Houston's bullpen able to come in, work as a unit for three and a third, not give up a run and only give up one hit? What is that like, Jesse? I don't even know. I mean, every team in the playoffs sort of has a bullpour.

pen like that, right? At least it sort of feels that way. Except the Mariners. Except the Mariners. Yeah. Yeah, Robbie Ray is their closer apparently. But yeah, I mean, if you're playing at this point, if you're one of the last eight teams remaining in the MLB postseason, you probably have a pretty darn good bullpen in the Houston Astros show that they absolutely have that. It's why they're where they're at, but offensively, you also see that they're a very tough team to stop, right? And now we have the Mariners on the ropes. We have a couple other games today, three games on deck for today. So I guess I have to ask which series at this point excite you the most, taking a look at our postseason bracket and what we still have left on the table for today. Yankees right now are they tied with the guardians still? Tied two, two with the guardians as we speak. Yeah, that's an exciting game. Bob Costis referred to Shane Bieber as Justin Bieber a few minutes ago. But that was maybe not the most entertaining part of the game. It's been a pretty good baseball game. It was pretty entertaining. Also, his recovery was incredible.

His recovery was incredible. He started naming Justin Bieber songs. He did. He started making all the references that he could do his own mistake. So hats off to Bob Costa's. To be honest, I might be showing my age here a little bit, but man, it's just, it's good to hear him. Yeah.

Calling baseball games, it really is. I missed it. And he's just a very entertaining, warm voice, you know, when you're listening to baseball games. Yeah. What are these theories, though, interests you the most? I mean, for me, I think. the most intriguing matchups still left is the Padres versus the Dodgers with the Padres taking

that one game in LA. I have no idea where that series is going to go. And I feel like it really could go either way at this point. That's a, I have a really hard time answering this question, honestly. I'm, I'm pretty intrigued by all of these series. I think all of them have an opportunity to kind of go down to the wire. The Astros and the Mariners is the, you know, the one series at this point that's too well. We'll see what happens with the Yankees and the Guardians. I think the Phillies and the Braves, game three is going to be really interesting in that series. We've got Spencer Strider going for Atlanta against Aaron Nola of the Phillies. It's a heck of a pitching matchup. And I think like we've talked about before, I do think the Braves lineup is maybe a little bit

deeper than the Phillies lineup. But we've seen Bryce Harper be sort of a monster in the postseason. And he has a chance to continue to do that. Another thing that stands out to me in these series, Derek, is just how many of these teams haven't been in the playoffs? for a while, or at least haven't hosted a playoff game in a while. The San Diego Padres will have baseball at Petco Park for the first time in 2006, postseason baseball at Petco Park. Since 2006. Since 2006.

That's the last time the San Diego Padres have had a home game in front of their, in front of their home fans. Of course, the Mariners haven't had a home game in the playoffs since 2001. The last time that they were in the postseason, we'll get that on Saturday. And then the Philadelphia Phillies is their first postseason. appearance since 2011. So tonight that game will be the first time that Phillies fans have gotten to see postseason baseball up close and personal for quite a while. So it's just fun. You know, seeing teams have this opportunity to play important games in front of their home fans and something that

those fan bases have been deprived of for kind of a long time. Unless you're a Los Angeles Dodgers fan. Yeah. Then postseason baseball is just like just spoiled. Just another day. Right. So much so that obviously carries over to other fandoms last night at an L.A. King's game. I feel like the Dodgers or L.A. Kings, more importantly, not the Dodgers, might have been putting the cart before the horse a bit because they're already looking ahead to battling their old nemesis to Houston Astros. There was a fun little segment that they did during the Kings game right here where they were looking for lookalikes in the crowd, right? So right here they're looking for a Tony Gonsolin lookalike and there's that guy. He's really happy. look like Tony Donald. He's excited though. I mean, come on. This is, this isn't easy to do. This is

something that you're doing as a camera operator and a crew in an arena. This guy does not look like Max Muncie, although he's very surprised. He looks excited. He was like, whoa, me. So then they put Jose Al-Tube up on the board, which elicits booze from the L.A. King's crowd, understandably. So until they find his lookalike, which happens to be a trash game. Oh, my gosh. That's a solid burn right there. This is pretty well-flayed by the L.A. This might be an old joke. It might be getting old, but I still appreciate that joke a lot. That's a good one.

Yeah, it doesn't get old. I don't think that joke will ever get old. Do you think the Dodgers, though, themselves are maybe overlooking the Padres just a bit with considering, you know, you said Padres haven't played a home game since 2006, right? This is a team that really quickly changed the perception about their organization and their franchise, right? Yeah. They used to be a team that, like, frustrated us as Diamondbacks fans when we lost to them because they would suck. they would have a worse record than we did, yet somehow at times they always seem to have the Diamondbacks number.

But now we're talking about a Padres team that has become one of the top spenders in baseball. They do not shy away from going after the big free agents and trading even some of their core players away to get them. And to be honest, right now, I would be a bit worried if I was the Dodgers with the Padres taking that first game or that second game in L.A. Game three will be interesting. Tony Gonsland and Blake Snell. Blake Snell does not pitch particularly deep in games.

If you look at his postseason track record, he's been kind of a four or five innings sort of a guy. I know when he was with Tampa, they were very cautious with him there and generally wouldn't let him pitch particularly deep. So it'll be interesting to see how much length they're able to get out of Blake's now. But he does have really good stuff. He has the kind of stuff that you want in the postseason. And the regular season, Blake Snow was 8 and 10 with a 3.380 RA. Tony Gonsolin for the Los Angeles Dodgers, 16 and 1 with a 2.14. ERA, just crazy numbers for Tony Gonsland.

Of course, he was hurt toward the end of the year. But yeah, it's a relatively even matchup on paper. I know Gonsland has been so good this year, but this has been by far his best season in the majors. Blake Snell has been a pretty effective pitcher for quite a while now and has quite a bit of postseason experience. So, yeah, game three should be interesting. And a lot of people have been talking about how loud the crowd is going to be in San Diego, you know, getting to see their team play in their home ballpark.

for the first time in 16 years in the postseason. So it's going to be a rowdy, rowdy environment in San Diego. Hopefully they're Padres fans and not Dodgers fans who are making the trek over to San Diego. We'll have to see how successful the Padres are in keeping Dodgers fans away. They're too busy fighting each other in the bathroom. That's right.

And then oddly hugging it out after they're fighting each other. I don't get what's going on there. But the Padres bullpen has been very, very good if you want to talk about bullpen envy. At one point during the game against the Dodgers, they had not allowed a hit in 30 straight at bats, and that's the bullpen collectively as a unit. Again, I don't know what that's like.

So I don't even want to talk about that. I don't want to make myself any more sad that I already am whenever I bring up the term bullpen or think of the Arizona Diamondbacks bullpen situation. Hopefully, we will see them get out of this rut and maybe not have as good of a bullpen as some of these teams, but maybe just a bullpen that doesn't lose 40 plus games in a season. So anyway, keep up to date on that because Jesse is going to be keeping his ear to the ground

and what the Diamondbacks are going to do or might not do when it comes to their bullpen and other offseason acquisitions. Like Evan Longoria. Like, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this? We're going in the wrong direction. I wrote an article about the Diamondbacks possibly bringing in Evan Longoria because, as we discussed the other day. Because Jesse hates us, that's why.

No, I literally asked you if I should write this article and you said I absolutely should. So, yeah, so don't, don't give me that right now. You're not supposed to reveal, like this is what I get for revealing our text messages on this show. But go ahead. Yeah, so Evan Longoria, and we did talk about this briefly the other day, you mentioned the Diamondbacks is one of three teams that he would be willing to play for in his what would presumably be his last year in the majors. He wants to come back and play one more year.

The San Francisco Giants do not plan to pick up his team option for 2020. making him a free agent. And the Diamondbacks were one of three teams that he mentioned he'd be interested in playing four. One being the Giants, which aren't going to bring him back. So it really reduces that number down to two. The Giants have shown interest in bringing him back on a smaller deal. So I still think the Giants might be the most likely outcome here.

The Rays, there's so much history with Longoria and the Rays. Longoria is arguably the best player in Ray's history. That's why the Diamondbacks don't make any sense to me. Like, I don't understand how we've found. Evan Longoria bought a house in Scottsdale in 2009. And from many reports that I've received on Twitter, people have apparently seen Evilongoria around the Scottsdale area having a good time in Old Town Scottsdale and whatnot. Scottsdale Medicines, you know what I mean?

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Shout out to them for, again, putting my face up at every one of their locations and telling their employees that I can't buy any more office chairs, whatever. I'm fine with it. I'm not bitter. Jesse, the Rafters are undefeated since we went in Saum. They are. Let's just be honest. We're the Rafter's good luck charm.

Jordan Lawler loves to see us out there. He's like, there's my guys, you know, that kind of thing. But he did have a huge hit in the win, a comeback victory that they had yesterday, a game we really wish we could have been at, but instead we were bowling and playing video games and doing important work stuff. So what are your thoughts on the Rafters being undefeated now since we visited them? Jordan Lawler had a really big day yesterday. The game that we went to, as we talked about on our Thursday show,

Jordan Lawler didn't look great defensively. And offensively, he was on base three times, but it was two walks and a hit by pitch. So it's hard to kind of really gauge how well his bat was working. He had a good eye at the plate. He had a good eye. He didn't swing at pitches that were like eight feet out of the strike zone. So good on him.

But he actually did play very well in the game. Yesterday, he had a big triple in that game. game that kickstarted a comeback win for the Salt River Raptors. I think they won by one run in that game. So yeah, maybe we started a little something here, Derek. Maybe the rafters are going to rattle off a few in a row. We'll have to see. I'm saying.

And it's just the excitement about Jordan Lawler, of course, you know, being a part of this team, it's you do temper your expectations a bit when you go see him play. But offensively, he just seems to be such a catalyst for any. team he's on, to be honest. And even when he's not doing anything like Jesse alluded to in the game that we saw him in when he was not doing much at the plate, he was still on base quite a bit and he proved to end up being the winning run in that game as well. Right. So again, his ability to get on base, his ability to do things that you need to do to win ball games is important to this team. And I think that he is going to continue to be excellent at that. It's just a matter of

seeing his other skills kind of sharpen and come around to a point where, he can be an everyday starting shortstop for the Arizona Diamondbacks. I honestly, you know, defensively, obviously there's still a ways to go, but I don't feel like he's that far off from being ready. No, no, he's not. I mean, he's sort of, he's sort of in a good spot to do what Corby and Carroll did this year, open the year in AA and then hopefully have some success there. He did get a taste of AA this season.

That's the one part of his journey this year where his offensive numbers didn't look great, but it was only a few games. So it'll probably start the year in AA next year. And then if things go well enough there, he could get a promotion to AAA like Corbyn Carroll did this year. And then also like Corbyn Carroll did this year, he has an opportunity to get called up to the big leagues before the end of next season.

So that would be fun. I mean, if we get Jordan Lawler in the big leagues next year, I mean, just the thought of seeing him and Corbin Carroll in the same lineup and some of the other young players the debacks have, there'd be a lot of excitement in the Valley. over the future of this baseball team and how good they can be with those guys at the core of everything that's going on.

And he's going to hit in some pretty good ballparks to make that happen and to make himself look pretty good. The ballpark factors for minor league baseball were released and there were some pretty eye-opening numbers when it came to specifically Arizona Diamondbacks minor league affiliates in their ballparks. In the Texas League, we have the Amarillo Sod Poodles and in, of course, the Pacific Coast League,

we have the Reno Aces. So, Jesse, please enlighten us a little bit about these ballparks that we've been talking about. Not only not believing offensive numbers guys are putting up, but why some of our pitchers might struggle to look half decent in some of these elevations. Yeah, things are pretty rough down there. So if you look at the leagues we're going to focus on the Pacific Coast League and the Texas League, the Pacific Coast League is where the Reno Aces, of course, play and then the Texas League is where the beloved Amarillo sod poodles play.

So we're focusing on AA and AAA. Their numbers are honestly kind of ridiculous. So these are league averages for the Pacific Coast League, not talking about where the ACEs play in particular, but just the league average for the league as a whole. 5.92 runs per nine innings is the average run scoring pace in the Pacific Coast League this year. The average batting line is 266.

351, 453, which sound like great numbers, but that's league average. Sure. That's how a league average player performed in the Pacific Coast League this year. I think it's even easier to understand from the pitching side, an average ERA in the Pacific Coast League this year was 5.40, and the average whip was 1.51. Normally, if you have a pitcher with a 540 ERA and a 151 whip, you're not particularly impressed with how they did. That's very true.

But in the Pacific Coast League, you have to adjust your expectations because that's just average. And then in the Texas League, somewhat similar, the average ERA in the Texas League where the AA Amarillo Sod Poodles play a 511 ERA, a 1449 whip, 5.71 runs per nine scored there. So relatively similar to what we see in AAA, very, very hitter friendly. If you look at the ballparks in particular that the Diamondbacks minor league affiliates are playing at, The one that really stands out is Amarillo, which was, which graded out, Amarillo literally graded out is the most hitter-friendly environment in all of minor league baseball in the entire thing.

So the runs scoring factor for Amarillo is 142. So that basically means 42% higher than average as a run scoring environment. There are 42% more runs scored in Amarillo than any other environment. in Basebar than the average run environment in AA. What about home runs though? Home runs was what was really crazy. 165. So 65% more home runs.

And again, that's relative to the Texas League as a whole, which is already a very hitter-friendly environment. So it's 65% above what is already a very hitter-friendly environment. So yeah, the total run scoring number that they have for Amarillo. is 6.90. So that's basically if you take the average number of runs being scored per nine innings across the Texas League and you adjust for these park factors, you get 6.90 as being like an average number of runs scored per nine innings for a game played in Amarillo, which is

insane. Like seven runs is average. And in Reno, it's somewhat similar. That number came out as 6.1. So Reno is not significantly higher than average relative. to the rest of the Pacific Coast League, but still slightly above average for the Pacific Coast League, which, as we already said. 10% for production, offensive production.

Right. So I guess the idea here, or my question to you here is, based on what you told us, is this an advantage for the Arizona Diamondbacks or disadvantage? That's a really hard question to answer. Right. Because, I mean, obviously what we can understand here is simplifying it, not dumbing it down too much. Yeah.

So excuse me. But if we think about it in the context of this is, good for hitters, right? It gets their confidence up. It gets them on track and things like that. Not really super good for pitchers, you know. But from what we've seen this year, I mean, I'm not saying that guys have struggled, but when you're talking about on the major league roster, we've actually seen the pitchers make a bigger splash and kind of have more, I guess you could say, overall success to an extent. Yeah. And I mean, some of the hitters, right? Because the hitters, like Corbyn Carroll, Alec Thomas, guys that have come up this year, it's not to say that they're struggling.

and they're doing great. We've seen Corby and Carol do great, but it's like it's almost like a letdown from what we see them do in the minors. Yeah, that's very true. From their perspective, I feel like it just increases the difficulty level from what they're used to to major leagues by quite a bit, right?

I mean. Yeah, that's a really good question. And one that I've sort of tried to answer by asking a whole bunch of people. There's a chance that you may see me write a story about this, more of a long-form thing at some point over the off-season, maybe next year. At some point, I hope to kind of do a deep dive into this topic because, yeah, it's a really good question.

I don't think there are any other teams in baseball that deal with this to the extent that the Diamondbacks do both in AA and AAA, like the doorstep to the big leagues, that's when this is happening. And yeah, for hitters, I feel like it's got to play with your, like, it's got to play with your mind a little bit. You're putting up these monstrous numbers even if you're not necessarily hitting that well. Maybe it could give you like a false sense of confidence. I don't know exactly how guys think about that.

Maybe it's like playing MLB the show on rookie. On rookie. Coming here and expecting to play Jesse Friedman and have a chance against him. Maybe it's not the best idea. I don't know. I talked to Corbyn Carroll about it. And Corbyn Carroll basically said that after every game in both AA and AAA and They probably do this at every level, but he would look at the launch angle and the exit velocity

of every ball that he hit that game, and he would evaluate, like, okay, would this actually have gone out, you know, in a neutral, normal hitting environment? But Corby and Carroll isn't normal when it comes to that stuff. No, Corbyn Carroll is far from normal. He is far from normal when it comes to, like, studying baseball. That's true. That's true. But I didn't just hear that from him.

It sounds like that's a pretty regular practice in AA and AAA and AAA because guys need to understand, like, am I actually hitting well right now? Or is this just a product of the environment that I'm hitting in? And for some guys, they might find out that they're hitting well genuinely. Like, if you hit, you know, a 450 foot home run in Reno, that's not a cheap shot. Like, that's a legitimate home run. So it requires an extra element of kind of studying up and trying to evaluate how well you're really doing. It makes sense. I don't get too proud of myself for beating the computer when I play it on Rookie, but I just don't get frustrated and angry. That's a much better feeling. But I also do that while I take our friends from OG's wonderful edibles and the products.

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Go to Mollett Arena, by the way. That place is incredible. I don't care what anybody says. I will not stand for any Mollet Arena slander because that place is awesome. They're bringing me AAA Lucha later this year, so I'm so excited for that. And of course, I'm going to buy my tickets on game time the day of, but that's a whole other thing, Jesse. Don't get me started on that. I did want to also give a shout out to our friends over at Mavericks for having us. We had a great time at Mavericks for our all staff meeting yesterday.

We played video games. I beat a lot of people in bowling. It was a good time. Somehow, somehow Max tried to sneak into our ad read that I lost to Max in bowling. So let's set the record straight. Not only did I beat Max, I beat him high score-wise in one game and I beat him total accumulated score also. So I think that's a win all the way around and I'm not going to accept anything else other than that. And I don't like Max trying to throw shade at me in the ad reads. But here he comes in here right now. Max is in here right now. He's over here trying to literally slip into the ad read, me saying that I lost in bowling and that's never going to happen. Please give this man a microphone. Max, how are you, sir? I'm doing well, Derek. How are you? I'm doing good, buddy. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, welcome, man. It was good to beat you yesterday. Yeah, correction. So you did win. I did win. In the second game. And you finished dead last in the first game. Yeah, well, I know. You didn't mention that part, did you?

No, I didn't. I just said accumulated high score, overall score, all the scoring scores. Like, that's the way that it works in real bowling. But see, you know, cumulatively, you had a, you had the highest score of the day out of the two games. Yeah, correct. Here's the thing, though. In the first game, you bowled in double digits. No, I did not. No, I did not.

I bowled 106 in the first game. It was a terrible game, and I still broke 100. And I am not going to stand for this slander. Cough is Mike Leah. Get him out of here. You're not standing because you're sitting down. Oh, I have to deal with this from Jesse, not have to deal with it from you. It's all semantics anyway, but you had a fun time at Mavericks.

I have a blast, man. It's incredible. I had a real good time. And more importantly, thank you for setting that up. And thank you to them for having us because it was a wonderful time. My absolute pleasure, like I always say, whenever we go to Mavericks for bowling, come for the bowling, stay for Derek doing the absolutely super weird bowling ball dance from Big Lebowski. That's right.

I wish someone had a visual of that because that motion that I just did. I just kind of gyreted right in. Right in between. I'm so sorry for that. No one needed to see that. That was great. We saw. I'm sorry you guys didn't.

You are so welcome. Thank you, sir. Thank you for everything. And a big shout out to Faj, who me and him together collectively, uh, killed a bunch of dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park game. Me and Jesse tried to work things out on a machine, on aliens. Yeah, you couldn't reload your guns. I couldn't reload my game.

And Jesse's asking me, like, what are we supposed to shoot? It's aliens, Jesse. It's aliens. You shoot aliens. I'm pretty sure I accidentally shot you multiple times. He did. He definitely did. But you know what?

We're throwing shade all over the place. Let's get things together. Let's throw shade at who we need to be throwing shade out. Let's throw some shade, Leah. There's not enough, there's not enough a background noise in this. So I'm going to, yeah, p, bea-bue, beo, let me put my sunglasses. Sorry, I was too busy making noises to throw shade. But hey, welcome, guys, into throwing shade.

We're going to throw some shade right now at Twitter. Yeah, you, Twitter, all of you, for not knowing the difference between a goose and a duck. Jesse. Come on, come on, people. Come on, people. Really? You don't know the difference between a duck and a goose? A deuce and a gut?

A deuce and a gut? Come on. Alongated neck, bigger beak. What's wrong with you, people? The goose was a goose and a duck is a duck. Jesse, school him on the difference between these things. So geese are herbivores. First of all.

Which is obvious. Who doesn't know that? He doesn't know that. And then ducks are omnivores. Omnivores. So they also eat smaller creatures. Right. They eat small fish in particular.

Yeah. Who doesn't know that? Geese live longer. They do. They're larger in general. I mean, you can see that based on the one that landed on the field, but I don't know how people could mistake it. Yeah, I don't know how they could possibly do that.

A geese also have more neck bones. And that's generally how, like, officially, if you were to try to make sure, definitively the difference between duck and a goose, you got like a little bird in front of you, you want to know if it's a duck or a goose, that's how you would count the neck bones. That's what you and Jesse do.

I believe if it's 17 or more, then you've got a goose. 18. That's right. Okay. No, it's fine. There you go. So just to give you guys, I mean, I get it. There's a lot of discussion about what is a duck and what was goose.

There was discussion about Dodgers fans, whether the goose was there. for them or not. He wasn't. I'm here to tell you that. And I also like to give you guys a little visual aid. So would Leah's help? I'd like to show you guys the differences here. So we start out, should we go, do we go goose duck? Do we do duck goose? We should probably go duck, duck, duck, don't do that. Don't do that. No, don't do that. All right. Let's go duck first. Can we show duck? That's a duck. Okay, that's a duck for reference point. Can we show this is a goose? That's a goose. They don't look like at all. They don't look like. Jesse was right about the number of

neck bones. Can we go another duck? This is a duck. That's a duck. That's a duck. That's a duck. That's a mallard. Yeah, ducks are often colorful like you see here. Right. Then we got the goose looking cute. That is excited to see us. That's an adorable goose. We got more ducks.

We got another duck. That's a duck. That's a cute duck right there. And then we got another goose and this is that's a goose, right? Look at the neck phones, Derek. Look at the number of neck bones. I don't understand how this is confusing to people on Twitter. Let's go duck again.

This is a duck. That's the organ, that's the Oregon duck. We got a goose. That is goose from Maverick, right? Top Gun from Goose from Top Gun, of course. Rest in peace. I might have ruined that movie for you guys if you haven't seen it. Let's go Duck.

Duck again. This is Duck from Mad Men, right? You completely lost me at this point. We got Goose Gossack. See, how is the goose not there for the Padres? Look at that man. Oh, man. I'm glad we could, I'm glad we could clear that up, Jesse.

It's not that complicated. It's really not that complicated. I don't understand it. Conspiracy hippies says, I have a tattoo of a goose already, but now I need the anti-Dogger goose tattooed on me. Yes. to go right next to your other goose tattoo or like compliment it on opposite arm, whatever.

We'll figure it out. We'll make sure that we get your goose tattoo where it needs to go. But of course, we're not taking off these sunglasses because we're still throwing shade. We don't stop throwing shade. That's what we do on this show. But right now, go get your goose education.

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but they are giving everyone a stepped up. Same game parlay. Oh, here we go. Oh, here we go. Throw in shade. What's up? What's up guys? You want to throw some shade at someone's on? Do you got any goose or duckbacks? Do you want to drop on us? Oh, no. No? What were you here for? Gooses are assholes. Yeah, they're geese are assholes. I call them, I've called them Gucks and whatever earlier, so it's fine. All right. Bye. Bye.

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No, I know, right? I was thinking that. There should be laws against that. I'm still beside myself with that. Like, he had no goose. Well, he did. He said geese are assholes. And that is a fact.

He said geese are assholes. He said gooses. Gooses. That's what it was. It's still true. He might make a mistake, but he's correct on the information. Can I tell a very quick story. No, please do.

As long as it's goose related. Yes, of course. Of course. So this goose here, the Canadian goose. Yes. They are everywhere in Canada. They also migrate here in the winter, but everywhere in Canada. Okay, so I was, for those who don't know, I was born and raised in Toronto, and they're everywhere.

And one time as a little kid, I went up to one because I said, look at that cute goose. Yeah. This thing attacked me. Full on. Full on attack me. I was sobbing hysterically. and so yeah so I have some goose trauma but you know

it's okay Leah with goose and Mac with goats Mac and you don't get Mac around a goat that's another thing so that's a sure fire way to do that but of course you know one thing to do is to buy tickets to a coyote's game

and then maybe bring a goose with you to see if you could scare Leah I don't know but the best way to do that they'll definitely let a goose you'll never know I mean your bag better be clear but your goose is welcome as is. They have no metal in them. You just stick it under your coat and sneak it in.

But of course, the best way to do that, Scarley, is to save up to 60% on those tickets and buy them through game time. It's great for us procrastinators out there. Of course, it's the number one way to buy tickets at the last minute. And you can do so through our link. We appreciate you doing so. Remember, like I said earlier, it's that time of the year. Football, basketball, hockey, everything's back. And you want to see it all. You want to go to that terrible Thursday night football game for the Cardinals next week. It's going to be awful. Neither team's going to score a touchdown. You know it's true. But if you do want to go and you want to watch the Cardinals hopefully snap their home losing streak, you can do so by buying your tickets through game time and do it last minute.

That's the time to do it. Jesse, thank you for being up to date on your geese facts. Yeah. Speaking of, do you know the origins of Duck, Duck, Duck, Goose? I don't. Yeah. So it was actually, it was brought over from Swedish immigrants, apparently, who primarily settled in the Midwest of the good old USA.

And apparently, I don't, this, the article I read didn't really give me as many details as I was honestly looking for. But along the lines of what Leah just told us, apparently if you, if you bonk a goose on the head, it is far more likely to chase you than if you bonk a duck on the head. Hence the way the duck, duck, duck goose is played. So there you go. That one's for free. What other baseball podcast are you getting this information from? 9.0. Not a single one.

That's why we're top 10 in Brazil every day. But thank you guys, again, for joining us. Until then, you can get us on Twitter and ask us whatever goose or ducks facts you want to. Jesse is at Jesse and Friedman. I'm at Cap underscore Caveman with a K. Our show is at PHNX underscore Dbacks, but of course all roads lead to at PHNX underscore Sports on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. We thank you guys again for being here with us on your lunch. Next week, we're actually going to swap to a little bit earlier of a time slot.

We'll be on at 11 a.m. here on the PHNX Sports YouTube channel. So make sure to join us and then join us for some Arizona Fall League games next week. We'll be out there. These are your fall guys. And I mean, the Salt River Rafters obviously need us. So we're going to be out there as much as we possibly can. So until then, we thank you guys so much on behalf of Leah, David, this guy, Jesse, the vice mayor of Goose Town and myself.

We appreciate your guys' time and remember kids. Baseball is fun, but it's so much more fun when you know the difference between geese and ducks.