Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Republican Debates, Yuval Harari, Cinder-Fella

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

On tonight's episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers speaks on Donald Trump's rivals as the debates continue for the Republican nominee. Piers is joined by AI Philiosopher, Yuval Harari on how threatened we should be from AI. Piers debates as a Scottish ballet company cast Cinderella as a man. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight, Peersbork, and our censor, Donald Trump, ducks under the debate as the seven top rivals to replace him make their pitch to be in leader of the free world. But can any of them actually top Trump? Scientists begin using AI to search for extraterrestrial life, as experts here on Earth warn, it could be the end of humanity as we know it. I'll ask one of the world's biggest brains

if we should have been excited or terrified. Plus, inevitably, Cinderella is being recast as a man, Senderfella, probably be rescued by Princess. diverse and equitable new production of the classic, or just a load of old virtue signaling flannel. Or debate whether this is the dumbest thing to have happened this week in the world

or maybe just in the last few hours. Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Unsensored. Good evening from London. Welcome to Piers Morgan Unsensored. We start with news of a secret operation inside the White House, which will strike fear into the hearts of America's allies

and delight its enemies. And yes, I have got that the right. way around. It's called Operation Don't Let Joe Biden Fall. And it's billed as a critical project, too. Quite literally prop up the president. Biden's blunders and stumbles have become a crisis for his re-election campaign, with a whopping 75% of Americans now saying he's too old to lead the country. The Biden administration publicly insists the 80-year-old leader is fighting fit and they've got the receipts to prove it. Well, sort of. He remains, of course, a keen cyclist. He has excellent spatial awareness. 2, 10, 12, 15, hope, stepping on a... It's black, anyway.

And he has a great sense of direction, of course. Where is he? Well, one thing they can't deny is that Biden has a problem staying on his feet, and that's the focus of a special program they've now put together. This is why they're doing it. No matter what their cost, 2, 10, 12, 15, hope, stepping on a... It's black, anyway.

Well, Axios reports a... top Democrats are terrified Biden will suffer a bad fall in the run-up to November's election. Their new two-pronged strategy is to both reduce a number of times Biden falls over by literally training him not to fall over and reduce the opportunities he has to fall over. He'll now board an exit Air Force One to the lower deck where he'll encounter fewer steps. Instead of boarding the plane like a president, he'll board it a bit like a suitcase. Initial evidence suggests that this may still be a challenge. The report says that Biden will now wear tennis shoes wherever possible

instead of adult shoes, so he has better grip. He's also working daily with a physical therapist and the doctors recommended he improves his balance by conducting pro-properoceptive maintenance manoeuvres. What those maneuvers entail is unclear, but what is crystal clear is that they're all designed to desperately reanimate a president who just doesn't seem fit for the job, physically or mentally.

Last night, seven of the eight leading Republican president of candidates faced off in the second Fox debate. Once again, the elephant not in the room was Donald Trump, who's light years ahead in the polls. My question is simply this. Surely America and the world can do better than a 77-year-old who's facing jail and an 80-year-old whose campaign strategy is don't fall over.

Well, do you know about to discuss all this is a Republican strategist and former chair of the anti-Trump Republicans, Liz Mayor, the conservative talk radio host, sensation, Ben Ferguson. I think he wrote that. And the CEO of Outkick Clay Travis. Well, welcome to all you. to debate all things Trump, who is, of course, the elephant in the room.

So, Liz, let me start with you. Trump is basically now calling for all Republican debates to be cancelled. Without him, there's no point. The Republican Party should save their money, invest it all in going after Biden. Meanwhile, the president is having a whole plan to try and keep him on his feet. I've got to say, from this end of the pond, this all looks a bit ridiculous. You've got a guy facing 100 criminal charges,

and you've got a bloke in the office who can't. barely see your walk straight. What is happening? It's pathetic. I would just like to say at this moment that I'm British as well as American and I am leaning really hard into being a conservative,

which given how bad our polling is, should really tell you something. Yeah, no, it's pathetic. We have a nation of, what, 350 million people and this is the best we can do. I'm just lucky I live in a state that nobody's going to be contesting so I can write in whoever I want

and feel good about my vote. But generally, yeah, it's a complete disaster. It's a complete disaster. Ben Ferguson, it's a complete disaster. Yeah, I wish you'd stop showing those videos of Joe Biden because you're about to get rid of the candidate that I desperately want to run any Republican against. So if you'll stop doing that, and let's just say he's brilliant,

let's say he's competent, let's say he is a vigorous young man just like Ronald Reagan. That would make my life a lot easier. But the reality is Democrats right now put themselves in a corner. If you look at Joe Biden, honestly, right, the way that you just did, you've got to be sitting and going, what the hell are we doing? But they're stuck with them. And then you'll look at Kamala Harris.

You say, okay, well, maybe Kamala will calm down people because they'll say, hey, if someone has to take over, at least they'll like the VP. The problem is her approval rating is even worse than Joe Biden's right now, which is at Jimmy Carter levels. So it's a disaster for them. As for the Republicans, look, I think any Republican, Donald Trump, DeSantis, or if somebody else comes along,

I don't think it's going to happen based on what I saw at the debates last night. But if someone else came along, they all want to run against Joe Biden because there's no way he can campaign vigorously. And I don't think COVID's going to save him from doing more debates in the future. I think this guy's a train wreck and they know it.

But talking of train wrecks, Donald Trump, who is the runaway favorite now to win Republican nomination, and once all the debate scrapped and so on, he is facing nearly 100 criminal charges. We are into completely unprecedented territory here, where you could end up with the Republican nominee being convicted of some of these charges before an election,

potentially even sent to a prison cell, which I suspect would increase his poll numbers, like everything else has been done legally to him. But how can that be right for America to have a president sitting in cell block age? People aren't worried about it. I mean, that's the reality. They're not worried.

The Republican Party has made it clear. They're not worried. As an American vote. No, I'm not either because I think that these charges, and if you look at them, they're pretty ridiculous and egregious. You made up charges in Georgia within the statute of limitations that already run out, for goodness sakes. And when you fight these, I don't worry about it. And I think the American people showing that they still support them the Republican primary, he's got a 40-point lead, combine everyone else's poll numbers.

They don't even add up to even anywhere close to where Donald Trump is pulling by. himself right now. So that's how little Republicans care about this. They know it's a witch hunt. They know it's going after your political opponent in the way they do the banana republic. And the poll numbers show that the majority of Americans, their Republicans are smart enough to understand

this is political crap, it's banana republic crap. It's what they do in Russia and China and they're not worried about it. That's why he's still polling where he is. All right, Clay Travis, you like DeSantis. I'm interviewed Ron DeSantis. He's an impressive character. He gets stuff done. This is his big mantra. He's on a very good job

governor of Florida, no doubt about it. It seems to me, Desantis, I thought he was the best on the debate stage last night, actually, for what is worth. Now, let's take a little look at Desantis' in action last night, actually. I think we have it. The former president, you know, he's missing in action tonight. He's had a lot to say about that.

He should be here explaining his comments to try to say that pro-life protections are somehow a terrible thing. You know, the problem Clay is right. Trump should be there, and I know Chris Christie called him Donald Duck, and that's fine. We all have a good laugh. But if you're Donald Trump, you think, why do I have to bother? I'm so far ahead of all of

these people. Why do I have to bother turning up to any debate? I've got this in the bag. He's right, isn't he? Well, yeah, he's right right now so far. And that's why the biggest question coming out of this debate, thanks for having me on Pierce, by the way, is everybody else needs to drop out of the race, but potentially Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, they need to be able to fight it out, figure out who is the unquestioned number- two, and then they need to have a head-to-head with Donald Trump. And remember, as crazy as the Democrat process was in 2020, what did they do? Joe Biden got smoked in Iowa. He got crushed in New Hampshire. He left before the vote was even taken in New Hampshire. I think he finished fifth and sixth.

And then what happened? James Clyburn, Congressman from South Carolina said, all that matters is beating Donald Trump. Joe Biden is the choice. He's our guy, and it was over. The Democrats said, we're going to pick the guy that we believe is the most electable. It's old, boring, plotting dementia Joe. They may have gotten lucky with COVID happening, honestly, because that allowed them to keep Joe Biden in the basement and not get out and everybody could see how physically frail and mentally diminished he was. But they made the decision. He's the guy that's most likely to win. Think about this, Pierce. Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley running against Joe Biden would be a unmitigated disaster for Democrats.

And I think what's changed here is a lot of Republicans are so convinced that Joe Biden is going to lose that they aren't even focused on the electability angle as much as they can be. But remember, Trump has half of the electorate right now. The other half is for somebody else. The problem I think for your guy, DeSantis, is I think it's a, charisma issue. That most people think he's competent, you know, he's done a good job, blah, blah, blah. He just doesn't have anywhere near Trump's charisma.

Funny enough, the one with all the charisma on the stage last night is Vivek Ramoswami. If you could inject that charisma into DeSantis with his experience as governor and success, you probably have a very, very, very compelling candidate. Let's take a look at Vivek. Transgenderism, especially in kids, is a mental health disorder. to acknowledge the truth of that for what it is. ...pain... ...on parental rights in school.

Parents have the right to know. The very people who say that this increases the risk of suicide are also the one saying that parents don't have the right to know about that increased risk of suicide. And I'm sorry, it is not compassionate to affirm a kid's confusion. That is not compassion that is cruelty. So I will ban genital mutilation or chemical castration under the age of 18... So I also want to play now that the Christian

gag about Donald Doug. It was funny. Let's take a look at this. And I want to look at that camera right now and tell you, Donald, I know you're watching. You can't help yourself. I know you're watching, okay? And you're not here tonight,

not because of polls, and not because of your indictments, you're not here tonight because you're afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. You're ducking these things. And let me tell you what's going to happen. You keep doing that? No one up here's going to call you Donald Trump anymore. We're going to call you a Donald Duck.

All right. he's quite funny, Christy, and he's a bit of an old bruiser. I like him. I've known him a long time. And that was a funny gag. If you combine his humour and kind of pugnacious style with Vivek's energy and dynamism and charisma, with the competence of DeSantis, you've got a very, very strong candidate.

The problem is none of them have the other two components. And Trump, in his own way, love him, hate him, think he's the worst thing ever, all the greatest things to slice bread. He has it all. And that's why at the moment, He's steaming ahead. Yes.

I would, can I just jump here and make a couple of points? That's 100% right. I think it's worth of noting. When you take a look at a lot of these post-debate polls, though, what you say about Vivek sounds like it's right, but when you look at how voters are actually responding, he's actually coming off very, very negatively to quite a lot of Republican primary voters.

So I'm not sure that you're quite right about his charisma. I agree with you that Ron DeSantis does need some sort of charisma injection, for sure. I'm not sure that him necessarily borrowing from Chris Christie is the best move, though. I actually thought the Donald Duck line fell a little bit flat. I thought it was a little obvious. I didn't find it particularly humorous. I also do think that DeSantis and Christie need to quit saying that Trump needs to show up at these debates, because one of the really interesting things, and we saw this in 2016 also, when Trump skips debates, other people move up, and his floor, the absolute minimum that he's going to get actually goes down.

That happened after the last debate. I bet it's going to happen after this debate. OK, all right. Let me bring in Ben on that. But that does matter. I agree with you. Ben, his issue, it seems to me, Trump could well run away with this Republican nomination. It looks like he might.

But if it does, a lot of independents have a problem with Trump. And you've got to win with the independence to become president. And it may be that if Biden insists on running, that the only way the Democrats win that next election is if Trump is the opponent, because the anti-Trump vote comes out, as you know, and the independents don't like him and they won't like all the legal stuff,

that actually Trump may steamroll at everyone to get the nomination for Republican Party and then actually lose again. Yeah, look, I think that there's two things here with Trump. It depends on if he can be a disciplined politician in a general election, and you'll

probably laugh at the idea of him being disciplined. But look, he's been pretty smart, And I think he's starting to understand that he's got to be smart about how he talks for the same reason that you just said. If he talks about the here and now and he doesn't take those loaded questions about the past and relitigating the past. And he talks about gas prices and interest rates and the economy and securing the border and building the wall, he will destroy Joe Biden. If he is undisciplined and he goes back and tries to litigate the past and say, won the last election, he gets bogged down in that, you're right. There's a chance

that Joe Biden could win. But Joe Biden will not win because he has the best set of plans for this country or ideas. He is a disaster. A stumbling, bumbling, falling down disaster. He would win because he's not Donald Trump. I want to end by getting all of you. Oh, he will also win. Well, hang on. I've run out of time. Here's what I want to ask all of you.

And I need straight answers. I want to have the two names for the two people that will face off in this presidential race next year. I want to have a name of a winner as well. So, Liz, you go first. Hmm. That's tough to say.

It's really tough to say. Right now, the polling does suggest it's going to be Biden and Trump, but I have this sneaking suspicion that somehow it could end up being somebody like Brian Kemp versus Gavin Newsom or J.B. Pritzker, because I think both of these guys are so old and decrafted and in Congress. All right. Well, you can't name. He might die. They might die.

I need two names and a winner. Go on, Liz. Okay. Well, let's go with Newsom and Kemp. And I think in that contest, I think, Kemp Dusts Newsom, and I'm a happy camper. Okay. Ben? I'm just going to go back to reality.

I'll bet you seats at Wimbledon because it's on my bucket list, peers. It's going to be Trump and Biden, and no one else matters. And who wins? I think Donald Trump. I think Joe Biden, and what you showed earlier, is going to be what you're going to see for the next year and a half. There's no doubt about that. And by the way, there will be far more added to the greatest hits, too. Clay, yeah.

Two names and a winner. All right. I'll give you a fun one, I'll give you a fun one, Pierce. I think it's going to be Donald Trump. I think the Democrats are going to end up drafting Michelle Obama. Wow. And I think it's going to be Trump versus Michelle Obama. Wow.

And Michelle Obama finds her way into the White House. She would be amazing. But I don't. To the Democratic debates, get ready. She'll come in at the convention. I actually, Clay and I agree on this. She would be great. I think she would be great.

I actually think she was. I think Biden is going to get so much worse physically that it's going to be impossible and they'll have a broken convention and they'll have to find somebody new. Michelle Obama would be formidable, I think a really good candidate. I'd have to turn things she'll ever do it. But we've got to leave it there. We'll find out. Thank you to my pack. I appreciate it. And says the next is either going to save the world or destroy humanity depending on who you are. So I've asked one of the people with the biggest brains in this game in the world. Yuval Noah Harari, the man they called the AI Philosopher. We'll be here next with hopefully some answers. Welcome back to Pierce, Piers, Organicense. It's been called an alien threat.

Elon Musk has warned of a Terminator future. Artificial intelligence has been described with the most apocalyptic terms, but at the same time, he's making incredible breakthroughs in finding genes that cause disease and transforming IVF, for example. So I'll be right to fear AI, or should we celebrate it?

Can humans even control it when it's developing so rapidly? Philosopher and author Yuval Noah Harari gave me his uncensored take. You've got great to see you here in the Pierce Morgan Unsensored Studio. Last time I interviewed you, you were with us remotely, and we were cut off in our prime in what we thought may be an AI attack. But this time, I can assure you, we won't get cut off. Let's start with AI, because you're all over this.

You, in Fortune magazine this week, described AI as an alien threat that could wipe us out. Instead of coming from outer space, is coming from California. Quite chilling words. Do you think that there's a real danger that if we mishandle artificial intelligence, it could literally wipe us out?

Yes, and it's not only me. Many of the experts in the field, including the people who developed this technology, share some of the same fears. What everybody needs to know about AI, basically, is just two things. It's the first tool in human history that can make decisions

by itself, and it's the first tool in human history that can create ideas by itself. You know, atom bombs, in the end, they empowered us because they couldn't make decisions how to use them. Human needed to make the decision. But AI can decide who do bomb and can create completely new ideas

in everything from finance to religion. So it's very interesting, because Professor Stephen Hawking, in his last television interview, was with me, as it turned out, and I asked him, what was the biggest threat to mankind. And he said, when artificial intelligence

learns to self-design. Now, is what you're describing self-design, or is that another stage for you? That's another stage. What's the difference between what you're describing and self-design? It's basically the same thing. Once it can create new ideas, it can also create new

ideas about itself, about its own design. But we are talking about a power that escapes our control. You know, it's one of the deepest fears of humanity for thousands of years, and now it's actually happening. So it could be like a version of COVID-19 in the sense of

it gets out, it gets out of our control, it turned out COVID wasn't as deadly as the plague, for example, but this could be far more deadly, but it could permeate our life at the same speed. Yeah, the easiest scenario to imagine is like somebody giving the AI the task of, say, creating this super-powerful virus, and the AI just goes along and does it. And could make it more deadly than a human being could?

Absolutely. Can combine Ebola with COVID and create something that we are hardly able to even imagine. I mean, it reminds me a little bit. I remember when the first chess computers came out and they were gigantic, like the deep blue, and Gary Kasparov, the Russian grandmaster, beat these computers to start with. But very quickly, they developed at such a rate that now it's important possible for any human being to beat a computer at chess?

Absolutely. I mean, in a narrow field like chess, I mean, it's long gone. They are better than us. But are you suggesting that in a way what happened there could be replicated very quickly? Yes. And it could lead to our extinction if we're not careful. In broader fields, yes. It can happen in, again, fields like finance, fields like the job market is under more and more jobs are going to be changed or even replaced. So let me ask you on jobs. I got a question for you,

which I was thinking about when I knew you were coming in. I'm thinking about this logically. If we end up with a load of factories around the world manned by robots, by AI, then all those people, millions of people who currently work in factories, they're going to be out of work and they have no income. So they can't buy any products that the robots are making in the factories. So that economic model collapses, doesn't it? Or am I being an idiot?

No, this is one of the dangers. Now, it's not likely that there'll be a complete disappearance of jobs. As old jobs disappear, new jobs will emerge. If I'm like an accountant or a lawyer or somebody like that where a lot of your work is based in the accountancy case on number crunching. If you're a lawyer, a lot of it is case studies, you know, existing case studies and developing law and so on. I can quite easily see how AI will very...

very quickly make a lot of those jobs redundant because they can do it all the push of a button. Any job which is basically data coming in being analyzed and data coming out, this is the easiest job to automate by AI, definitely. What about people like me, broadcasters? I mean, how quickly are we going to get to a place where you could have someone, a robot that looks and sounds like me that has studied through AI everything I've ever said on air and I've seen a TED talk deep fake of me. saying the complete opposite of what I think.

It was terrifying, and it can't be long before someone could be doing this with AI. Yes, this is already there. This is why you have this strike in Hollywood, because they understand these kinds of things, these are no longer science fiction. Okay, let's talk about that. That's really interesting.

The Hollywood strikes, because AI is at the center of it, and what their fear is, if I understand it correctly, is that you could be a movie star, and you sign a five-movie deal for some franchise. thing. And the first two come out, and then you want to get out of your deal, and they say, fine, but we've got enough now where we can just use AI to make the last three without you. Yes. I mean, you... And is that a realistic thing? Absolutely. If you have enough data on someone, enough footage of how they look, how they move around, their voice, their, how they sound, you can create deep fakes of that person. AI can now compose songs like a band, like I think it was Oasis, right?

It actually did a song, AI, that was based on Oasis's music catalogue, and it sounded like an Oasis song. Yeah, and again, human society is basically based on trust between human beings. We are facing the possibility of millions, even billions of fake humans overrunning our society, leading to the collapse of trust between, people. How do we stop this happening? Ban ban fake humans, ban counterfeit humans. Let me try and have

some positive to what you're saying. Yes. It's an awesome power, AI. In things like medicine, for example, we have so many cancers which have never been solved by a human brain. Is it likely in the near to middling future that AI, with these superpowers, will be able to perhaps find a cure for all cancers

for example. Yes, or at least for some of them. This is the big promise. If there wasn't a positive potential, there would have been no danger because nobody would have wanted to develop this thing. Elon Musk and the others who signed a thousand names who signed this thing asking for a six-month pause.

It sounds like they were right. Yes, I think, again, it's not necessarily opposed to the development of AI. It's opposed to the deployment into the public sphere. I can talk to you for hours. such a smart guy. Thank you for coming in. Although you have... Thank you for inviting me. You've painted a slightly apocalyptic picture, I have to say, Yuval. So I hope that the world listens.

So I'll just say again, this is a warning, not a prophecy. No, I understand. We still have the agency to... It's in our hands at the moment. It's completely in our hands. But it is in our hands. And the problem of that is, I'm not sure I completely trust our ability to do what we should be doing. But we'll find out. Hopefully not the hard way. Youval, thank you very much. Great to see you. Well, that was just a taste of a really fascinating interview with a highly intelligent guy who really gets all the issues about AI. Yuval Noah Harari.

That whole interview, unedited, there's a lot more of it. It will be on our uncensoreded YouTube channel in the next couple of days. We've now got over one and a half million subscribers. So thank you for those who subscribed. And if you're having it, what's keeping it? So much great content there for you to salivate over, including that full extended interview, which is honestly fascinating. and quite alarming, but I feel comfortable that people like him are looking into this properly because we need that kind of smarts to do it.

Unsensitive next, the Scottish Ballet plans to introduce a twist on the classic Cinderella story. Yeah, you guessed it. She'll be played by a bloke who's rescued by a woman. Of course, of course. I'll debate Sinderfella going to the balls or whatever it is with the pack next. Welcome back to Piers Morgan, Unsensor. I'm joined by my super pack. First time these three have been together,

talked to TV's international editor, Isabel Oakeshott, talk to the contributor, Paula Ron Adrian, and the comedian, his words, not mine, James Barth. Welcome to all of you. Wow, just the gracious, here. Just a little gag, James. To get you in the right spirit. I want to pay a little tribute before we get to the pack

to one of Britain's greatest ever actors. And I use that phrase very deliberately. Sir Michael Gambon has died aged 82. So many things you could say about it. He just had an amazing career, amazing range. He was one of the true greats that our theatre has ever produced. And, of course, did many great movies and so on. I once interviewed him at the National Theatre,

where he played many a great role. And I asked him, what he thought of the increasing malaise, a sort of talentless, Zed-less celebrity wannabies, trying to be stars. And he went, you know, all I've ever wanted to do was act. I remember sitting in this very dressing room after my first hit here, and people outside applauding when they saw me at the window,

And that was so exciting. It's what I wanted. Recognition of my work. But what all these modern celebrities want is a quick buck with no talent or hard work required. It's awful. So I said to what would you call this type of person? And Sir Michael looked at me and smirked and said, I would call them a cretin. RIP, Sir Michael. You were brilliant on stage and you were brilliant off it to interview.

A great actor. I want to talk about another theatrical story. Cinderfella, the Scottish Ballet, is doing what everyone does now. They're taking a very popular classic fairy tale, which obviously is about a woman, identifying as a woman. And they're going to switch it around, so apparently audiences won't know, apparently, it might be very exciting, whether it'll be Cinderella or Cinderella.

To which my point is, I suppose, why can't they just leave this stuff alone? Why do the woke brigade Have to come for everything Why do they have to ruin everything What's the de-gender, change gender, Abuse gender? Why can't they just leave us alone these people?

Why can't Cinderella be Cinderella? Do you know something really weird? This was actually first done in the 60s Yes There was a thing called Cinderfella Yes A film, I think it was a film Yes, fantastic

This is not... It was a joke? Well, it was satire, wasn't it? Yes. So this isn't even original I'm going to actually surprise you and say, I actually think this sounds quite fun. Oh, God, no, you've gone.

You've gone. We've lost you. I wouldn't take my kids to it. You're supposed to be on this pack as a voice of common sense. It doesn't matter with you. Come on, it's quite entertaining. I mean, I quite like that element of jeopardy.

Is it going to be Sinderfella or Sinderbella? But hang on a minute, Isabel. You wouldn't take your children to it. Come on, of course you would. I'm joking. Yeah, it's an absolute pile of old rubbish. It's just attention to it. James, all right, James, I know what you.

going to say why why you bothered but actually it's a really important thing because it's flipping the narrative and making the guy what's the narrative no it is because it's turning the guy into the victim who needs saving and ultimately we all need saving particularly you right now on this panel well why don't you love this it's an upside down realm where everyone is you could actually play one of the ugly sisters finally your dream role wow oh you came to play didn't you but on a serious note we talk about masculine toxicity and here we have the classic example. Why aren't you supporting this?

Why don't you want men to be vulnerable? Why don't you want other men to see men in that kind of role? I'm just saying. I don't mind men being vulnerable. But you know what I love most in the world? I like a stiff up of British limb. I like people who don't spend their entire time loving. That is what? These men who are in this role have resilience to stand up against this kind of stuff.

here with the victim culture that we now have to endure. Where everyone's a victim, weakness is celebrated. Strength is a problem. Everyone has to be a moat 24-7. You come into work. Did you not ask the question? I can't handle it. Why?

He asked the question, why, why, why? That sounded like a victim to me. Do you know who's a strong name. I'm telling you's not a victim. Nick Jagger, right, who's 80 years old. Still doing his thing. Amazing, really. physical freak to be still prancing around doing that.

Look at Joe Biden by comparison. They're within about eight months of age, right? Mitt Jagger announced he's not going to give his money to his eight kids. He's got apparently $500 million, right? I like that idea. If my kids are watching, I really like that idea. Because why would you give, Isabel, all that cash to young people

before they've even tried to make their own way in many of the cases of his kids? Some are still very young. Why remove all hunger? People I know who've done that too. I know people who've given their kids loads of money. It's a very bad idea. It kills the hunger. Yeah, I couldn't.

And without a hunger and desire to make that money for yourself, I think you end up with just a wasted life. I completely agree with you. I am going to assume that he's leaving them something. They probably already have assets, whether it's property or whatever. But absolutely, if you make life too easy for your children, if they don't actually have to feel a bit of a struggle, then there's nothing to get up for.

And they drift. They drift around, they flop around. Yeah, I talked to Cristiano Ronaldo about this, right? And we had dinner one night after interview him the first time. And he was saying that, you know, his son's very good at football, his older son. And he said, he's very, very good, but he can't give him the hunger that he had. He was literally hungry.

He used to sit around the back of a McDonald's and two lovely ladies. He said, we tried to find them, but we couldn't. They used to give him the cast off... That's problematic. Yeah, we used to give the cast off big matches. right? And he said that was how hungry I was. So everything was driven by this intense desire to get out of that cycle he was in of hunger. But when his son, he's now got a dad worth a billion dollars probably, right? You can't give, now it doesn't mean to say he won't

develop his own desire and hunger. It's so much harder to instill it in someone, right? I would just say I'd like to pick up on what you said there because you were commending Mick Jagger for jumping around on stage at his age. Yes. But you wouldn't say that about Madonna. So do you think there's some hypocrisy? No, because it's the way she dresses and the way And leading on from that, I'm not actually concerned whether Mick Jagger would leave his children money. I mean, Jerry Hall, Bianca Jagger, I mean, these are strong women. You know, they are there supporting the children. So this isn't really about Mick Jagger leaving his children.

It's more about a principle. I do think I've seen people leave their kids too much money and they just remove any incentive to be. How much money are you living in your kids, peers? Very little. Right. actually. Well, I say very little. I'd like to think I can help them in some way, right? I would like to remove from everybody, right? Never mind my kids, but anyone's kids, right? I'd like to remove the stress of having no money. I think the stress of not being able to feed yourself

or feed your children or your family or whatever. That is one of the worst stresses in the world outside of bad health, right? I think this is ultimately the problem with this article, because Mick Jagger can sit back and laugh about how he's not going to leave. his very comfortable children, more money. They don't need it. It'd be interesting to know what he is going to do with it. I don't know whether he's revealed that. He said he might give it to charity, you might do some good in the world. Yeah, well, that's great.

It's going to get an LGBTQ plus charity. Not enough. Hang on, what did you call it? Don't even start. Hang on, what do you call it? I. What happened to the two? Oh, goodness me.

Where are the twos? Yeah, they're there. No, no, you didn't say two. Leave me alone. No, no, no. Come on this show to be left alone. You have an ungender, the twos. Two spirits.

The two spirits. Of course. They're very clear. Where are they then? Why didn't we say two plus? Two LGBTQI.A. I'm really disappointed in you, James. Thank you.

I really think, I mean, obviously by tomorrow there'll be another one, but at the moment, it is, it is Q2 plus. It is. Now I know that, and I'm surprised you don't know that. I think we should cancel him. Well, honestly. Well, honestly, I thought you've caught the woke mind virus. As a two spirit penguin myself, I've identified as a two,

I'm actually personally taking that very bad. See, you're saying you're saying you're half black and half white? No, I'm a two-spirit penguin. Well, I think we all are a bit. Half-black, half-white. I had my DNA done. Right.

No, no, zero English in me. Really? Really? Mainly Irish. A bit of Scottish. They chartered me back to Robert the Bruce. A little bit of Welsh. A little bit of Middle Eastern. Quite a lot of misogyny.

But absolutely, sorry? And a lot of misogyny. Ooh. But zero English. Very interesting. Yeah. And I was born in England. Scottish would feel about that.

So I'm thinking. I'm thinking that we're on a work due to Scotland to watch the ballet, right? No, we're not. We're going to talk instead about... It's calling somebody woke as bad as a racial slur. Actress Kathy Tyson said in an interview of The Telegraph, for me it's as bad a term as an offensive racial slur. The term woke and raceguard are deeply offensive to me, she quote.

So the latter is thrown in your face if you make criticism of anything. So here's the thing, James. I don't think it is because I read a whole book about this. I identify as woke by the original definition, which came from the American music business in the 60s, and it was about raising awareness of social and racial injustice. I absolutely, by that criteria, I'm a woke person, right? What's happened is woke has become hijacked by a lot of social media mobs in particular,

and they use it as a form of fascism now to basically try and make everybody conform to their way of thinking. That's my problem with it. See, I found that interesting because I actually think it's that, but also the opposite of that, in that people use it as a slur to say, to undermine your... I think it's become a slur by definition, because the people in that woke world who identify themselves as woke...

Well, I'm not quite sure why you're blaming woke people for that. Because a lot of them, I think, are actually worthy of condemnation for propagating the nonsensical views they have and then expecting all of us to agree with it. But you have actually used the word woke about me as a slur. You've called me a wokeie or whatever. I've called you a wokeie. Right, exactly.

So in a way, you're... That's because you propagate woke thought processes, which are ridiculous. So you think it's ridiculous to, like, stand against racism? No, but if I ask you, for example, should biological males be allowed to compete in women's sport? What would you say? This is a crazy question that I'm not here to talk about.

What would you say? Because it's not something on the expert on it. I'm not an expert on it. No, no. You also probably don't have a right answer. Because you know what you would have to say to fit the criteria of being awokey, you would have to say you agree with it.

And in that moment, everyone watching a home goes, you're a complete limousy then. You're awokey by the common definition today. But she's a complete classic of the genre, isn't she? Because she's going on about how deeply offended she is. And that is the whole thing about wokeery. It's continually about people being offended. Offended by everything.

And causing offence. And everyone. Everyone. And I mean... So should Suala Braverman have been deeply offended by Gary Linneker's tweet? I don't think she should have been. But she told us that she was. She told us how outraged she was and how offended she was and insulted she was.

I don't think you've been used. And he was suspended for that. I don't think even you, as a black woman, can feel comfortable that calling someone woke is as bad as a racial slur. Come on. The point is, and it's a point that I agree with with James and pick up on, it's used now as a pejorative, isn't it? It's used to insult. Well, it deservedly. When it's deserved. When it's deserved.

I don't think it is when it's deserved. I think it's just thrown out there for anybody who happens to say, hang on a minute, is this fit? No, I would say 99% of people that I call woke in a... in a derogatory manner, deserve it, because they're being ridiculous. So it is a slur, you agree? I'm just going to say, but that's the point. I don't think it even comes close to being a slur as like a racial slur. But you're not.

I'm saying that your views, the woke world's view of life, I find ridiculous, right? Utterly ridiculous. Therefore, I'm using it as a term of mockery. Abusing someone about their skin color is a completely different. And in my view, far more serious things. So why are you using the word woke? Why don't you stop using the woke as a pejority?

You know why? And say that what you are saying is ridiculous or what you're saying is nonsense. Because it really annoys the wokeies. I don't think we're annoyed, are we, Paula? Oh, yes. I'm pretty calm. I'm not annoyed at all.

I feel really proud of being called woke because it means I'm trying to make the world a better place. And not only that, but you know what happens is. Woke people make the world a worst place. They make it a joyless, humorless, fascist state, where everybody has to look to look at. the same, sound the same, say the right things,

can't crack any jokes. That's actually disgusting. Blah, blah, blah. It is disgusting. I agree. We finally agree. How could you possibly think that we all want each other to look the same

when we're all about inclusivity for everyone? You know, I've just realized, looking at you sitting in that chair, you're the new Richard Tice. Thank you. Although I couldn't think of anybody less like Richard Tice than the entire world. It's a great slur.

That definitely felt like a slur, to be honest with you. I'm putting my off-com complaint in tonight. I'm going to take it. There's a woke Richard Tice. In a compliment. In a compliment. In about a minute, when you go off there, you're going to realize why

Isabelle may not see that as a slur. Are you aware that... No. Oh, right. Oh, tell me. What have I missed? Oh, they're an item. Oh, really? Yeah. So you've just abused Isabel's... Oh, goodness me. All right. Which is fine, but, you know, you might feel a little uncomfortable now.

Right, no. Which is great, because I made it in... See, I don't get offended. I made it in... Neither would... I made it in with a moment of excruciating, mortifying embarrassment for James Bar. And that's always a good way to finish a pack.

Great to see you. Come back soon, James. Thank you. Unsensit. This is going to be. right. Onsense, could the space aliens presented in Mexico's parliament recently be real? I know exactly the person to ask. The great William Shatman coming next. Welcome back. A Mexican UFO enthusiast captured the world's imagination earlier tonight by presenting what he claimed were the remains of two aliens to the Mexican parliament. Some cried hoax. Many simply wanted to believe. Who better to adjudicate than a man who's met more fake space aliens than we've had hot dinners? The great William Shatt

I star The Unexplained on History Channel and Netflix. Join us, well, it's great to see you again. How are you? Oh, Pears. It's great to see you. And what a subject matter, huh? Well, this perfect timing with your new series of The Unexplained. Here we have what looked like alien mummies, effectively.

What does you make of it? Well, what do you mean? See, that question itself, what do you mean it looks like aliens? The only reason it looks like an alien is some guy at... at one of those science fiction movies, drew what he thought was an alien, you know, conceived of what he thought an alien would look like. And now we have an alien that looks like

what this guy thought of in his imagination. Nobody's ever seen it, but it now looks mysteriously like the thing we saw on that movie. It's wonderful. Do you believe that there are aliens and we're just not being told about them? Do you think governments know? Now, listen, Pierce, there are in uncountable galaxies

that contain uncountable stars which have planets circling it, it is mathematically impossible for there not to be life on other planets. Just impossible. I agree. Life, for example, here on Earth looks for the ability to live everywhere. Trees are fighting each other for the sunlight and the animals and the flowers and the grass

and then you have humans. I let me live. Life is as an imperative. It can't be that we're alone. And it can't also be that it cannot just be carbon-based. So the chance of it. of life being in other places

is, to me, is not even a chance. No. Now, we did a bit of research here. One of my team did a bit of picture research to your associations as Captain Kurt with aliens. So you worked with some. I mean, it's a bit of a stretch list but Spock. You fought with

some. I've got a picture of you fighting a big alien there. And you made love to a lot of aliens in Star Trek. Like Marta, the green-skinned, like the green-skinned Orion Sloth. And you made love to a lot of aliens, slave girl. Yeah, except the paint

kept coming off on my costume. Do you think when you go off this mortal corner, I don't think it's ever going to happen to you, I think you're actually eternal. But if you ever do, do you think you will encounter other worlds, do you dream that maybe one day

you'll meet with these things? Now you're touching on that. phrase the final frontier yeah on my show I think I'm able to say the name so because of the strike the final frontier was space but actually the final frontier is death we don't know what it's an unexplained mystery we don't know what's out there so I would like to think that as you draw as apparently the drug guy said on his last breath

Of course. That was his last phrase. Yeah. As he took his last breath, he said, of course, as though he realized he saw the logic behind everything. I'd like to think that happens. And we know, without being able to communicate it, what everything means. Because everything, shy of a few unassailable facts like, I don't know, the fact that you're still alive and doing your program.

Everything is changeable. Everything changes. So what is out there? Will it be the same? Will you know it? It's unexplained, and that's the name of the show. I've got 20 seconds left. If you knew you had one day left on Miss Earth,

how would you spend it? 20 seconds. I would love to do an interview with Pierce Morgan the last 20 seconds. Can you imagine? Done. Agreed. I would love that too. I'll let you know. William Shatner.

The unexplained. I love having a show. The unexplained in every way is brilliant. Great to see you. Thank you very much. Whatever you're up to. Keep it uncensored like William Shatner. One of my heroes.