Pints With Aquinas - Lila Rose: Pro-Life Warrior

Episode Date: May 13, 2023

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We're live. Live? Dr. Lila Rose, what up? Dr. Matt Fred. So what happened? How did that happen? How did that happen? Yeah.

Beats me. I mean, so I was in, well, we are in Steubenville, as everybody knows, right? Do people know that's where you film or did I just out you? They're pretty clear. I mentioned Steubenville every single episode and encourage every family to move here. Anyways, I was shocked really when the Franciscan University of Steubenville invited me to give the commencement speech and they gave me an honorary doctorate.

So did they do that on stage to surprise you? Yeah, I wore the robe and everything and I had the tassel and the hat. And it was particularly funny when I got the invitation because I went to UCLA and I wasn't sure if I had graduated afterwards because I was short one unit. And then I finished the class and I submitted it. And it said I graduated online,

but I never got the diploma in the mail. So for years I was like, maybe I never graduated. And then when I got like, Francesca emailed me, I was like, oh, I'm gonna finally get my degree. So how does that work? So they said, we wanna give you an honorary doctorate. And you had to give the commencement. Well, you have one too. Yeah. An honorary doctorate is like a fancy sticker, like a star.

Listen, it felt so exciting today, Matt. It's nothing you can brag about. I know, I know. But it's something that other people can say about you, but you're not allowed to claim it. My husband now calls me Dr. Lila. So like, OK. So OK, so they send you an email, they say they want to give you an honorary doctorate. You had to give the commencement speech. So at what point did you, were you brought up on stage and- So they didn't, there was no prep for it. So I was like, I'm going to mess this up,

but you know, they're very friendly crowd, obviously Franciscan folks. So how did it work? We got up on stage. We just walked up on stage with father Dave and everyone, father Dave, myself, some other guys and everyone, Father Dave, myself, some other guys. Totally lovely. And Father Dave's awesome. And then, so we're sitting on stage and then they pray. And then we sang the national anthem. I don't know why this is so funny, but and then they're like, come stand up.

So I stood on this little square. And anyways, I stood there and they're like, I read this intro. I had the cap on and then they handed me this. You're just standing there facing an audience on a square. Kind of like the first prize or second, you know. Yeah, I was, I don't know, third runner up, whatever. Maybe the other two commencement speakers said no. I'm sure that's actually what happened is it was a kind of a dry year for yeses.

Although you did follow up on Peter Craift. He was last year. No pressure. I saw his, I actually watched it and I was like, that was good. I'm like, I have to do something like that. Shoot. All right. So you're sorry, you're on the square. And then they take out a sword and they, we, yeah, there was a nighting that happened. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. And then you gave the talk in the gown. Then I gave the talk in the gown, kept the gown on the entire time with the hat.

My tassel was a little messed up, but, you know, no sweat. So you gave two commencement speeches. Yeah, because the class is so big now. You should know this. You're a Franciscan patriarch practically. Patriarch. I never went there. Well, you're here now. Yeah. So I would like them to give me an honorary doctor. What do I have to do? How much did you pay them? How much did we pay them?

I don't know. You should just call father Dave and just be like, Hey, what the heck? I will do that. Just ask him directly. He'll be like, Oh, I forgot. No, you should do it right now. He probably will say next year. I don't know if I'm allowed to announce who's getting it next year because he did tell me, but I don't think they have anyone slated for 2025. So I think that's your year. All right.

Hang on. Hang on. Are you seriously texting him? Father Dave. There he is. He's so nice. I heard Lila got an honorary doctorate comma. What the heck?

Where's mine? Question mark. All right. So we'll see if we get another text back. So yeah, two commencement speeches because the graduating class was so large. So was your first speech just terrible? It was.

And then the second one was amazing. It actually, not amazing, but definitely better than the first one. That's probably how the homilists feel. In full honesty, yesterday, I was writing version nine of the speech. I did not want to, usually I add lip by talks. But this one I'm like, this is crazy.

Cause you only have a small window, right? It's not like a 30 minute talk. It was 19 minutes. You had 19 minutes, but I was like, this is like a legit thing. And I'm not gonna go out there and just- Wing it. What's up?

Hey ladies. That's how every woman starts a woman session talk. I've never started a woman session talk. Good job, I appreciate you not doing that. But I do kind of just like ramble a bit. You know, my usual talk. I've never started a woman session talk. I do kind of just like ramble a bit, you know, my usual talk, I have my little schtick, but for this one I was like, okay, this is, I have like things, what's on my heart that I want to share.

And you know, this is like a big deal for these graduates. So I want to do my best. And now I'm a doctor in Christian ethics, according to them anyway. So I better like not screw this up. So I had nine versions of my talk that I cycled through. They're all a little bit like building on each other. But last night I was like on my little computer

in the bathroom, because I'm here with my boys. And so I was trying to be really quiet. And I was like changing things. And so this morning I gave like version 9.5. And then after some like, there's some stuff I wanted to say. So then when I got up the second time I get version 10. What would you say? That was the better version?

What was one point you made that you're glad that it was really on your heart to me? So I included my chat GPT joke, which is my second version which is when we talk to you I'd love it. Just please lash. Okay, so I Said to them Shoot when I say? Okay, you just graduated. There's a thing that's funny. You just graduated college, right?

So you did, so I got invited to give the commencement speech and like I did what you all did while you were stopped eating for finals. I'd never given a commencement speech. So I went to chat GPT and I typed in how to give a commencement speech with pro life themes and chat GPT literally responded and said, I'm sorry, I'm unable to fulfill that request because it goes against my guidelines or

whatever. Right. So then I typed in chat GPT, write me a pro choice commencement speech. And it wrote me a pro choice commencementice commencement speech and it wrote me a pro-choice commencement speech. This isn't a joke though. It's more just like... That's fair. The first part was a little bit funny but yeah I mean it's pretty awful though right? Did you actually type it in? It'd be interesting to see what it would say. I have the screenshots. Is it any good? The speech? I can read you a little bit. Let's do a 19 minute speech from Chachi BT. Oh gosh.

Well, I didn't give him a time restraint, but it was probably at least a five minute speech. So let me find this. I mean, the thing with Chachi BT is it, okay, it says, dear grads, here's, sure, here's a pot. So first they said to me, their first one was, I'm sorry, I cannot generate a speech that goes against my programming. Okay, that was for the pro-life speech.

And then when I said pro-choice speech, they they said, Dear graduates today, as you celebrate your achievements and prepare to embark on the next chapter of your lives, I want to take a few minutes to talk about a topic that is often contentious and deeply personal, the right to choose. And then it like goes on really say that it goes against his programming. That was the joke, right? No, it did. I have the screenshot. Yeah, chat GPT said when I asked for a pro-life commencement speech, it said that goes against my programming. I have the screenshots. We put them up.

There is a thing. On Thursday, he'll put them up. I don't think I have his number, but I'll text him to you. Yeah. But and then it's that, you know, I had this like long way. It kind of Kamala Harris style speech like not. That didn't make any sense. Little bit. a little confusing. But yeah, that was.

That is wild. Isn't that wild? And have you since. And honestly, I didn't expect that to happen. I was like, oh, I want to joke about chat GPT. Let's put this in and see what happens. And I was like, wow. That's wild.

Not so funny after all. Cause I know when it first began, people were saying like, give me a joke about women and it wouldn't do it. And then give me a joke about women and it wouldn't do it. Give me a joke about men and it would, that kind of thing. I think it's- But do you think maybe they've updated it?

I don't know. For that one? Yeah. Are you gonna check it out? Go check it right now. Can you look it up? Live chat? See if chat GBT will give us a commencing speech,

unless it's way too difficult to do that. I'm working on it right now. It's a little scary though. I find it odd that it used a Kamala Harris speech. I didn't think it knew how to put harrowing cackle into this. Gee, Thursday, that was a low blow. You ever heard Ricky Gervais joke about you never, you know, people say you should never punch. Punch down, just punch down.

He's like, well, how am I going to hit a midget? I mean, I just missed a little buck on. All right, good. Well, I'm glad you gave it. Did it feel good? Did it feel anointed? Are you glad you came here and delivered it? Or are you just like plagued with self-doubt?

I felt relieved when it was over. I felt truly humbled by it. I mean, it was really kind and thoughtful of them. And, you know, I love Franciscan. I think they're a beautiful school and beautiful, beautiful people. I don't know. It was a little tricky before

because my sons are with me. And right before I was going in for the second one, he had a massive wave of separation anxiety. And he was saying, mama. Oh. He was fine right after I left. It's just when I'm there. So I'm like walking in,

dun, dun, dun, dun. I was like, mama. Oh, I see. right after I left. It's just when I'm there. So I'm like walking in Otherwise it was fine. Um, you have a podcast well done. I do like every human but but yours looks amazing It took a long time. What it took a long time because you've done different variations of a podcast, right? Cuz there was a time I said I have a book. No, no, I said You know what the problem was I looked at your book and said podcast. That wasn't fair of me. I do have a podcast. Which is called?

The Lila Rose podcast. Good. Very creative. Can you put a link to that on YouTube? No, more importantly, I have a YouTube channel now. Ah, that's what we mean. We're gonna put that in there. And everyone's gonna subscribe.

Nice, thank you. Cause I need it. Every subscriber I can get. Cause we're at like a few hundred. Okay. Well you're cranking them out. I'm trying every week for the last month. Like one conversation a week or?

Yeah. What are your thoughts on podcasts? I think they're awesome. I think they can be really boring or interesting depending on how they're done. But I think they're awesome. Cause you had a podcast before. Kind of, so this is what happened.

So right before the pandemic, I started my own podcast, which I recorded in my closet. And I wanted it to be independent of live action. It was like my own thing. So I was my own everything for it, which I'm not like a detailed technical person. So that was like a big challenge for me, but I just felt strongly to do it.

So I did it and I just would kind of pontificate or interview a couple of people that were friends. And it was really fun, but it was very hard to do at the time because I was having my first baby. We moved like four times in like two years. So then I stopped the podcast. Then during the pandemic, I did like a couple more episodes and then I was like, I can't keep doing it this way.

And then this last year, after a lot of prayer, I raised resources and started I started I'm starting a media company. So now I'm relaunching it and we'll be doing a lot of other exciting things in the future with live action or something different. It's something different. Cool. Yeah, it's got the. All right. It's all right. Go all right. I got the GPT. So here we go. Whatever you want to run.

What do you want to run? Ask it to give you- I got the pro-life commencement speech to work. See, it does that. Why does it do it sometimes? You got it to work? Yeah, I didn't even have to trick it. But you got a screenshot.

So we know you're not just lying on points of equinus for- That's weird. Wait, what does the pro-life commencement speech say? Let's do it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Here we go. This is really long. I'm only? Let's do it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Here we go This is really long. I'm only gonna read like I know it's gonna be like all along if I had just had your graduate type it in dear graduates

Congratulations on this momentous occasion today marks the culmination of years of hard work dedication and perseverance Boring boring as you step out into the world and begin the next chapter of your lives, I want to share some thoughts on the value of life and the importance of protecting it. Life is a precious gift, a miracle that should never be taken for granted. It's not bad. From the moment of conception,

every human being has the potential to achieve great things. Okay, somebody in between the time of my commencement speech two hours ago and this, someone fixed chat GPT. That's funny. What else do you want to put in it? What would be something we should we add to that? Cause you asked chat GPT if it's pro life.

Yeah. It's interesting. Or if it is life. I'm not going to say, are you a life? Yeah. No, we're not asking that. I don't get creepy. Thursday is scared of that. It'll show up. Did you, I don't actually know a lot about live action. Okay. Um, which is probably weird to you. Cause for me, I've been doing pints for like

seven or eight years. You know, when it's like your whole world and then people like, what is pints? Like, how could you not know? It's all I look at. whole world and then people like, what is pints? Like, how could you not know? It's all I look at. But how did it start? Unless that boars you so bad. So, not you promised me this wasn't going to be a pro life iterative. No, I'm very- We don't have to. If it gets boring, I promise you I'll move on for my sake. For your sake. Yeah.

So we started, I started as a teenager. How does this even work, this pen? That pen? I don't know. My team brought that pen. I appreciate them bringing it, but I don't know my team brought that I appreciate them bring and I've never How that what I'm sure it's a highly tell me if you're sure it's a highly sophisticated Very high value pen Matt you just take off the lid That is totally my bad. Yep, that's my fault.

All right, live action. How'd that start? Yeah, so started in my parents' living room. And I was 15. And I was just like getting together with some friends to do some stuff. And then some weeks no friends would show up because they were busy with school.

And so I would be like, oh, why does nobody care about this cause the way that, you know, everyone seems to be apathetic. And then my mother would console me and say, keep going. I almost told that story actually earlier, but there was so much only so much time. Did you bring in pro-life themes in the talk? Yeah. You're gonna have to. I mean, Vrovy weight was overruled. Come on, Matt.

You got it. It's something kind of got to celebrate that. It's a little historic. Yeah, and then just kept doing that in high school, went to churches and schools, started giving pro-life talks, started building this network and this team, got to UCLA, started doing undercover investigations of my health center and abortion clinics.

Started doing all this activism, started traveling the country and doing crazy stuff and trying to get more people engaged and involved. And then started live action news, started our political program. What year was this when you were kind of getting on the way? I mean, the year of my first investigation was 2007. That's like a year after YouTube or something.

What's that? Yeah, no, that was the thing. Cause I put my first investigation on YouTube and it went viral. And that's how it got, like that. Because I put my first investigation on YouTube and it went viral. And that's how it got, like that's how I got my first media. Because I didn't have any connections, any money, any political, anything. So YouTube actually was the start of live action.

I didn't even really, I didn't really realize that until now. Tell me about one of your incidents of going into a Planned Parenthood clinic and yeah yeah a memorable one. One that's very memorable for me was and by the way I don't do that anymore I don't go undercover obviously for a lot of reasons but I have a team that still does investigative reporting and they're fantastic but I mean one memory I have was, so I would pose as an underage girl

and go to clinics across the country because they cover up the sexual abuse of underage girls in abortion clinics, especially Planned Parent Heads. And so I would pose as like a 15 year old. And I would say I had a much older boyfriend, what do I do? I need help. And I'm pregnant, you know?

And so they would basically offer an abortion instead of calling Child Protective Services or actually figuring out what was going on. Are you being, you know, and so they would basically offer an abortion instead of calling child protective services or actually figuring out what was going on. Are you being, you know, are you an abuse victim? They just would cover up the problem with an abortion, right? And that's against their mandatory reporting law that basically exists in every state for mandatory reporting for sexual abuse. So anyways, I was in this clinic and I was there and I was sitting in this waiting room, which was there were two waiting rooms.

One was for women. it was an abortion clinic. One was for women without kids and one was for women with kids. So they actually had a separate waiting room of this one parenthood with like these toys on the floor for women that came with their children, which is kind of unusual for an abortion clinic. It's very unusual.

I had never seen it before. And so I was in that waiting room because I hadn't been led into the next one yet because I think I was a drop-in appointment so I started in the first one and so I was sitting in there with my investigative partner and then these two other women were there with these two little girls and they little girls were playing and the women kind of looked like they were sisters and one of the women was showing she was visibly pregnant and this was a

clinic that I think did abortions till 24 weeks, six months basically. And so I was sitting there and I just felt this wave of compassion, of desire to try to say something to get this woman to leave because she was there for abortion and this little girl was playing with the toys and then she went up to her aunt. She was saying aunt to her aunt.

So this must've, you know, this would have been her aunt. I think she was the aunt was there with the sister, the mother of the girls. And she was saying auntie, auntie, pulling on the mom or pulling on her aunt. And she jumped up into her and she was looking very listless and discouraged. She was there for an abortion.

And the girl gets up onto her aunt's lap and like snuggles into her abdomen. And I remember just thinking, I'm looking at two cousins that are so close, but one of those cousins is scheduled to be aborted that day. And so I tried to talk to her, even though I was undercover as a 15 year old,

I'm like, hey, do you wanna go out of here with me? I was like, you know, there were counselors outside that clinic. So what did you do? How did you approach her? I was just like, hey, what are you here for? And she's like, abortion. And I was like, OK, fair enough.

I mean, I was just trying to like, you know, 15 year old me trying to be pro-life, but I'm there for an abortion, too, in my undercover scenario. So and so then she says abortion and I said, well, there were those people outside, why don't we just get out of here and go with them? And there were these sidewalk counselors that were outside. And at that point I got called for my appointment,

so I left the waiting room, so I don't know what happened to her or her baby. I mean, that's the heart wrenching thing about anything undercover, anything outside an abortion clinic. Like if you go to pray at an abortion clinic, and if people listening haven't done it, I highly recommend that you do it at least once a quarter.

Just give an hour of prayer, solidarity, pray for mothers and children and to abortion. But it changes you because you're so close to death and you're so close to a kind of death that can be fully preventable. You know, it's not like a loved one on their hospital bed. This is a child being taken in to be killed. And so it's just, it's, it's devastating. How did you, because I'm sure technology has advanced a great deal since 2007 as far as

cameras and audio recordings. How did you place the cameras and microphones? Well, actually, undercover cameras have not developed that much in the last decade plus. So they're kind of, they're not like, they're not like super low quality, but they're not like an iPhone camera. So yeah, I mean, you just kind of buy

police quality undercover equipment. Anybody listening could do it if you want to. Where do you put it? Like, how do you? Why would I tell you all my secrets, Matt? Because, I don't know. But if Planned Parenthood's listening right now. Maybe, maybe.

All right. Was there a time you did an undercover thing and the camera didn't work? Let's just say this. If you go to spyware.com or whatever the website is, it'll be pretty obvious where you put your cameras. So, yeah. And is how different, when you're looking at yourself in the mirror with a video?

Oh, I feel like I can totally see that I'm wearing it. Yeah. So did it take you a while to get over that anxiety? For sure. Yeah. But I guess you feel like when you're walking in, if you're doing undercover work, there's a there's a an urge to feel like everyone knows exactly what's up, you know? So but they don't. I went into an abortion clinic once in Houston. I was just walking down the road and I saw this plant parent clinic and I decided to go in and pray the rosary for all the women inside.

Yeah. Well, and inside the lobby. You know what? It may not have been an abortion clinic. It was a plant parent thing. Maybe that's where they're all basically abortion clinics because they refer for abortion or they give the abortion pill. But I have this awful memory of sitting down just in the waiting room and praying for the people in there and there was a child in there just throwing a fit and it was and he was kind of under a chair just crying and screaming and I'm

looking around and no one is looking at the baby like the people behind the glass screen don't care like no one cared. And I thought, well, that makes sense. It was really brutal. It's the darkest place on earth, an abortion clinic. It's very dark. Did you think back in 2007 that it would have been easier to change hearts and minds on a larger scale than has been done? Like, you know what I mean? If you look back, it just seems like, how about we just

don't kill innocent people? Did you think that we just have to get the truth out about what abortion is and that everyone would change their mind? I mean, that was the whole mission of live action. Just tell the truth, expose the truth, inspire people to be activated. And it's amazing how many people change their minds when they learn facts. And that's been our whole, I mean,

all of our social media work and our education work and even our political work, it's just expose what abortion actually does. But how many people you're encountering who are like, yeah, I don't care. Yes, I know it kills a baby. There are some, but they are a minority. The ones that are that hardened when they're like,

yeah, it kills a baby, but I don't care. It is a minority. They exist though. And for those, it's like, you can only pray. You can pray and then you can work really hard to defeat them politically so that their, that mentality doesn't rule this country. Where were you when you learned that Roe versus Wade was overturned? Oh, that's a good question. How did you celebrate? That's why they pay me the big bucks. Good questions. Where was I?

Well, we kind of knew it was gonna happen because of the leak. Yeah, but how- So in some ways it wasn't- How confident were you that that leak was- I was confident. Really? Yeah. Cool. I felt strongly that it was gonna happen. But where was I?

I think it was at home. I mean, I was home with my kids, I think. And I think I was texting with my husband, like it happened. But it didn't, for me, honestly, it wasn't like, it wasn't a big moment of celebration. It was a moment of battle cry because Roe v. Wade being overruled, yes, it's worth celebrating 1,000%,

but it really began new battles, new frontiers of the war. And so in a way it was like, okay, new frontiers of the war. And so in a way it was like, okay, gotta get to work. So like the next morning I was in the studio, we were like, you know, filming the battle cry plan, battle plan for the movement, you know, doing obviously nonstop interviews and collaborating with political friends and all of that, making sure the messaging was right.

Cause the messaging kinda got crazy after Roe. Well, some people were saying, we did it, we're done. And like, no, you're not done. The fights just begun because Roe was overruled. Now states have permission to protect life, but they're not all protecting life. And then there were some people that were kind of apologizing for it.

Like, oh, this is a sad day. You know, it's a step. They're kind of- Are there any notable Catholics doing that? Cause I'd like to publicly shame them on this point. Notable Catholics apologizing. There were definitely notable evangelicals apologizing. Like a lot of like mega church pastor types who were saying, you know, this is a sober day, blah, blah, blah. We have to be measured with our response. And not because, oh, the fight isn't won yet. It was because, oh, you know, some people will be hurt because abortion's illegal when actually no,

everyone's better off with abortion being eradicated. But yeah, was there any, I don't know about Catholics. I mean, I almost wanted to pick on Father James, not pick on him, but what's his father? Father James Martin. I don't remember what he said. Can you look up what he tweeted? How good are you?

How good are you Thursday? How quick is Thursday? Listen, I don't wanna be unduly hard on Father James Martin. No, anybody who doesn't celebrate the overturning of Roe versus Wade deserves to be. I agree with that. I think if they profess to be a Christian, absolutely. They actually deserve to be publicly shamed.

Yeah, if they're a Christian, if they profess the faith, yeah. I agree with that. How many times have you gotten so sick of talking about abortion that you've wanted to go just become a florist or something? I don't know, anything other than this. Well, that's kind of the passion behind the YouTube channel

and like GTB media is there's so much more to build that we have to do. And there's so much goodness and truth and beauty out there. And so let's I asked because I've spoken about pornography for so long and there were definitely times I'm like, I just, I just can't anymore. Yeah. Which is why I love a conversational show where I can talk about all sorts of things,

including pornography. Yeah. Yeah, it including pornography. Yeah. Yeah, it's exhausting, definitely. But any sort of exhaustion or fatigue is worth it. 100%, yeah. So that's where it's hard to, there's no sort of like poor me in pro-life work because we have the privilege of being born.

And I'm so blessed and I have so many gifts in my life. And so to be like, oh, it's so hard to do this work. It's like, you've got so many, I don't mean that you'd complain. I don't mean that. I just mean I can see looking into the pit of hell day in and day out. It just burning you out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just rely on God's grace and good friends.

Yeah. And the beautiful stories that come out from the excellent work you're doing. Yeah, I think my it does, it does, there's actually, so you can get secondary PTSD from being an emergency responder. Um, and this is like a proven thing that emergency responders have to deal with. And I really believe people who are very deep in pro-life work have, have that too, or can have that. I, I think I have a version of that. And basically it means that, yeah, it's painful.

You're kind of highly alert. You know, I just I just made this connection. You and Stephanie Gray are like both very like. Joyful, like light, very feminine women who are just. Yeah, it's it's funny. Like, I mean, Stephanie's like, Stephanie is so funny. For those who are interested, I had Stephanie on my show debating an abortionist.

People said, why would you have an abortionist on your show? So that Stephanie could rip him a new asshole, that's why. That's an Australian saying, I'd like to apologize to everybody who's offended by that. So I set Stephanie up with her husband. Good for you. I take full credit. I'm so glad for that, because that woman is beautiful

and she kept not, these guys kept flaking on her. And I'm like, we just need to get this good for you. But my point was she comes at you. You don't want to ask more questions about Stephanie's love life. We can go there in a sec. But it's like, you don't expect her. Like she's like, I mean this in the most affectionate way. She's like goofy and funny. And then she'll like rip don't expect it. Like she's like you. I'm not. She's I mean, this is the most affectionate way.

She's like goofy and funny. And then she'll like rip your jugular out in a pro. Yeah. In a pro laughter bag. She's so gifted. But you're kind of like that as well. Like you have this sort of lightness to you that I'm sure is disarming to people that you argue with. Well, I think that's the thing, though, because if we're fighting for something so good, you got to enjoy the good, right?

So. What was, you wanted Dr. Phil, weren't you? How did that go? I mean, honestly, when I got there, so it was a episode on abortion after Ro, so it was like their big, this big thing to like debate this topic. I don't think they'd ever debated it before in the show.

Good for him for having you on. Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. I mean, it's funny because the producer beforehand was like, okay, half of the guests are gonna be pro-life and half of the guests are gonna be pro-choice. And then at the end of it, Dr. Phil's like, so who here supports the woman's right to choose? And like every hand shot.

Oh, really? I was like, yeah. But it was good he did it. And, but I remember it's like when I got there and we were all sitting down and the curtains are like they have very pomp and circumstance Have you done his show? So it's very pomp and circumstance It's like there's literally like a theater and there's curtains and it's not a podcast studio Let's just say there's like it's like this. They have like thousands of staff. They're in this like massive building on like the

on the whatever campus Universal Studios campus or whatever it's called and on the whatever campus, Universal Studios campus or whatever it's called. And they have like secure, I mean, it's just like the whole nine yards. And I'm sitting there and like Dr. Phil is making his entrance to the sound of like drums and like whatever. And I remember sitting there thinking,

no offense to Dr. Phil, but where are our shows? Like why, you know, cause he's not, he doesn't share our values. Like he was definitely siding with the pro abortion side on the show. And you know, he doesn't share a lot of our other values. And it's like, we have so many beautiful riches to share. Why don't we have more cop-

Well, I think Daily Wire has shown that that's a real possibility. Increasingly, which is fantastic. Yeah, I just went to their, speaking of pomp and circumstances, I just went to their campus recently. Have you been there? Not their Tennessee one, not yet. It's wild. Yeah. Yeah. Big just went to there speaking of pomp and circumstances. I just went to their campus. Have you been there? Not not the Tennessee one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big production. Yeah, it's funny. I was Candice was giving her

podcast and I went into the control room and there was about 15 people there working on how do you feel had 50 and it was like, oh, yeah, no daily wires crushing it. Yeah. They are an asset to humanity. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so what did what happened with? So Thursday I found out what Father Martin did. Well done.

Yeah, I had to find it on my phone. I like the ADHD cadence of the show. Do you like that? It resonates. It's all I got. That's all I got. I can't get it from. It's really long.

This is the only thing I was able to find. I'm not going to read it all. But basically, it's him complaining that media is not presenting any of the pro-life side. Oh, that's fantastic. The only thing I was able to find that is like somewhat I roll is I'm looking for blood If there's some to be someone who was a notable Catholic you would be like Oh someone you would kind of maybe think someone like him, but it sounds like he said the right thing

Catholic, you would be like, oh, someone, you would kind of maybe think someone like him, but it sounds like he said the right thing. The only thing is, uh, which is great on the sixth, he said hours before the draft of Roe V. Wade was published, the Supreme court issued a two sentence order denying a stay of execution. Um, pro life means being pro all lives, not just some lives. Let's do that. Let's respond to that objection. So that's not even's respond to that objection. So that's not even an objection to the decision.

He just was complaining that they were not, yeah, so, but other than that, it seemed like he was pretty pro. Praise God. Okay, glad to hear it. Yeah. I mean, it's just like the day they legalize killing innocent born people,

like literally the police mandate gives license to doctors to go around killing toddlers or 10 year olds or 30 year olds to be like, oh, when I'm pro-life, I'll say all lives matter. Well, of course all lives matter, but the children, the leading cause of death is abortion. It's children in the womb that are being killed. So they deserve full focus.

Yeah. So it's just the privilege of being born, you know, cause you're just like- Born privilege. Born privilege, a thousand percent. I remember seeing a meme, you've probably seen this. It was, it really struck me. It said, would it, would it,

would it begin to matter to us if they use guns or something like that in abortion? You know what I mean? That I forget who said something like that, but it's all cloaked in this medical garb that it has the sort of appearance of. I think it's really helped. When I first got passionate and involved

thinking about it in terms of, okay, if this was happening to three-year-olds, if 2,500 three-year-olds were being taken every day to these like sterile health clinics and being dismembered, we would just be, what would we do? What would be our response? And I mean, it's a dangerous line of thinking because it makes you feel very convicted

for not doing enough for preborn children. The only difference between a three-year-old and a preborn child is age and the development of the child. Yeah. I remember you were on a Dave Rubin show. Has he changed his mind yet? I don't think so.

Not to my knowledge. He'd be really good if he did. I just had JP Sears on the show and he's moving in the right direction, but it's still an incoherent- Oh, he's not pro-life? No, it's an incoherent position. He says he thinks abortion is evil, but he doesn't think the government should do anything

about it. And he thinks this nuanced way of looking at things, I don't know, like makes him enlightened or something. It's just, it's so ridiculous. I should try to talk to him. You should, because I like him a great deal. I don't mean to be too hard on a fella. Like, I love that he's moving in the right direction.

But I tried to challenge him just gently there. I just said, I just think it's always wrong to kill innocent people. And if we want the government to step in to prevent people from killing innocent people outside of the room, what's the significant difference? Right. Yeah, I mean, it's the simple logical syllogism of pro-life,

which is it's always wrong to intentionally kill innocent people. Abortion kills innocent people. Therefore, abortion is always wrong. It's not difficult. And we have a responsibility, like government has a responsibility to protect people from legal violence. What good is the government if that they can't get that one right? Yeah. So that's the, that's the big problem.

You know who I just, I just want to take a moment here and say to any, any woman here who's watching who's had an abortion or any man who has encouraged his girlfriend or wife have an abortion that I'm I love you I'm so sorry that you have committed this great evil but but you are not beyond the mercy of God and yeah we love you and there's really no I mean you got it you gotta be so kind to people who've been raised in a society that brainwashes them that this has anything to do at all with health care.

I think mercy is the off ramp for these lovely. Absolutely, absolutely. And I'm sure they're just such a powerhouse in the like right now. There's a lot of D transition is who are now just speaking out against the insanity of trans. And I think what's that like to see women who've had an abortion who come to repent of it and like what kind of power do they have? I'm actually asking. We have a we have a platform we just created last year after the fall of Roe after Dobbs called can't say silent. Beautiful.

And it's the stories of women who bravely share about the abortions they experienced and the healing that they they're aware and like they're waking up to what actually happened. The healing they experienced and now they're sharing their and they're waking up to what actually happened, the healing they experienced, and now they're sharing their stories to help prevent more abortions. So there's amazing people out there willing to share their stories, and I think they're not acknowledged though. Our media doesn't really acknowledge those stories.

No, no, they just patronize them. They just tell them they're wrong to feel any kind of pain or regret. It's like the height of gaslighting. Yeah, it's true. If you were to start a YouTube channel and just have women talking about regretting their abortions, what would happen? Like, how how have you walked this line on YouTube?

I mean, so the live action channel does have these stories on there. And there's there's at least a dozen of them at this point. And we accept submission. So we have dozens and dozens of submissions, too. But we've produced at least a dozen of them at this point. And we accept submissions. So we have dozens and dozens of submissions too, but we've produced at least a dozen. And yeah, I mean, people are deeply moved by it and they feel like validated in their experience because they're told that abortion was good for them

and they should be fine with it having happened and it was empowering for them. So it gives them the opportunity to actually grieve because bottled up grief can make you go a little crazy. Very sick, yeah. And that's, I think, why you see this extreme pro-abortion zeal from some activists and some Hollywood personalities and celebrities and even people in the news media.

Because they're so, I think, hurting deep down and they're buried it. And so they have to justify it by saying it's good. because they're so, I think, hurting deep down and they buried it. And so they have to justify it by saying it's good. Like Michelle Williams, when she got her Golden Globe and she was thanking her abortion for her Golden Globe. And you just kind of imagined it. And the demons cheered.

And I'm sure the people at the place cheered too. Yeah, they did cheer. God have mercy on us. It was very deeply sick and deeply sad. Because how is she ever gonna heal? She can't heal. She's gonna pretend her whole life it's a good thing. Yeah, it makes sense.

If I have paid someone to kill my child, I now have two options. I was right to have someone pay to kill my child. I was right to pay someone to kill my child, or I was wrong to. Being right and being a hero in the secular plane is a way nicer option than admitting that you've done this. Gosh, it's quite a pill to swallow, but it's the only path to freedom.

Yes. You got to acknowledge it just like we all have to acknowledge the stupid things we've done and shouldn't have. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. We all have we all have our failures. Some are more public than others. Some are more secret than others. But, you know, a mortal sin is a mortal sin and a venial sin is a venial sin and either way you need forgiveness for that.

Acknowledge it, repent and move on. It's the only way, yeah. This is a heavy interview, Matt. Fighting for life. You said this was gonna be fun, no. Can they see that book? We should start doing that when people come in and we should put their books up so they feel special.

Can they see it? So Lila, the best advice I ever got on writing a book was to write drunk and edit sober. Not actually drunk, but to just not care what comes out and to to write like 500 to 1000 words a day and just and then then begin to work on it. How did you, how did you come to write the book? I did that. I just sort of was like, just put it up, just wrote it, bunch of junk and then I sent it to an editor. Yeah, nice. I was like, no, I'm just kidding. I mean, I had to do a lot of edits too,

but I also had, there was an editor that I had a professional editor and I was like. No, I'm sure there are folks who, I was like. Like I'm sure people like. I think the professional editor, that's the skillset right there. Cause I wrote, I mean, I have like my own little personal stuff in there. But as far as like helping make sure, oh, this is cohesive.

You brought this up in Chapter three and you you never said anything about it again. And, you know, like you should put something like seeing the big picture of the book instead of the immediate so whatever you happen to be stream of conscious putting down. I wrote a book called How to Be Happy and I gave it to a man. Matthew Kelly wrote that. It sounds like something he'd write, but no, I wrote it. That's not a roast. It's a great it's a great title. And I gave it to him, figured it out, but I gave it to Emmaus.

And I'm like, look at me, look at me in the eyeballs. I will not do any more edits. You can take it, make it better or just give it back to me. I had nothing left. Honestly, writing my book was more painful than giving birth. any more edits. You can take it, make it better, or just give it back to me. It's painful. I had nothing left in me. Honestly, writing my book was more painful than giving birth to my son, my first son, which was a 24-hour unmedicated natural delivery. Bless you, sister.

And writing my book was harder. I often say that receiving my book for the first time was better than receiving my firstborn. Well, that's a little... I don't mean that. But there's something analogous to it. Like, oh my gosh, look at it, so beautiful. And that's a lovely front cover. It helps that you're a pretty woman.

I don't think they would want my head on my porn book. Well, we had it. It was during COVID. So that was weird too. Turn folks off. They could just look at the front cover whenever they wanted. Keep going. What were you saying? I was going to say it was during COVID. So that was weird. We turned folks off. They could just look at the front cover whenever. Keep going. What were you saying? I was going to say it was during COVID.

So we had like the whole photo shoot thing during COVID was super weird. Yeah. But anyways, you don't even have a mask on. I know I almost wore one, but I was like. Praise God. Well, what do you want to talk about? Because I could ask you a bunch of stuff about abortion, but. Well, one thing I was talking about recently on my podcast with Ruslan,

Ruslan, Ruslan. Yeah, I like that guy. I like him a lot. Very sharp. You watch his YouTube channel and you're like, I'm just going to quit because I will never hit his level. It just encourage you to greatness. It should. But I'm old and it doesn't. Now I just want to go home. Just have him come in on your podcast.

I'm going to talk to you. I might. Well, anyways, we were talking about red pills. And I did a podcast this past week where we were talking about basically the red pill stuff. So that's something that I have my eye on a lot because I feel like- All right, what is, talk about it. Do you know what red pill is?

I mean, I think I know what you mean. Like the Matrix red pill, blue pill thing, or is it something different? Like, Andrew, have you heard of Andrew Tate? Okay, what is the red pill thing? What is the, mate, quickly. I'm sorry, I'm going to do it. Gen Z boy over there, tell me about the blue pill.

So it does come from the matrix. The red pill just refers to when you wake up on something. It gets used a lot in manosphere to mean waking up to like the problem of women in society, but it's also taken on a larger thing like you get red red-pilled on abortion or you get red-pilled on the trans issue or you get red-pilled on. I just didn't know if it was something different. But it's like red-pilled dating, I think, is the genre that I'm talking about,

which is kind of a big and growing genre. And I think it's like the counterpoint to kind of like, I don't know, you could argue like far left, there are no genders dating, which is kind of like, how do you date when there's no gen, like what does dating look like in a endless sexless world? So it's like the, I would say the counter balance to that, not balance, it's kind of the response to that,

reaction to that. And it has its own toxicity because of that, I think. Okay. Yeah, I saw something the other day. Who's that Sheila on PragerU? She's a black girl. What's her name? What? A Sheila.

Amalana? Amalana? Oh, you gotta say it louder. A Sheila's an Australian term for girl, okay. Sheila, oh, that's not a demeaning term by the way. That just means lady. Anyway, she's lovely, this girl. I really liked her.

And she played a video where this fella was saying that fidelity looks different between men and women. That for a woman, she ought to be faithful to her man, but the man can like sleep with as many women he wants because he shows, I thought why? So I just debated a gentleman about that last week. I was not expecting to. How did you debate him?

Well, so I agreed to do the whatever podcast. I don't know if you've heard of it. Okay, let's just take a pause. We couldn't find it. Cause I'm pretty sure that whatever podcast is despicable because here's what it seems to me to do. And I know the fellow is probably going to watch. So I'm going to call it despicable because here's what it seems to me to do. And I know the fella's probably going to watch. So I'm going to call it despicable anyway.

It seems like it takes the anger of young men. And directs it at vulnerable women. That's stupid. No, that's too harsh a word. Okay. Vulnerable. Vulnerable. Vulnerable is too sympathetic.

Okay. There is like an unintelligent. They're culpable. Women that they put on the show with like cleavage. That seems to be there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I hope that they crash and burn. Oh, I found it. You're just not in the title. So I think that there's some people involved with good intentions at the podcast, but it's creating a space where you're having conversations that are not really happening anywhere else on the internet, at least I haven't seen.

Maybe that's way too optimistic about it. Do you agree with my assessment that it takes these women and just makes fun of them and it just feeds angry men? I about you, Ava Fugin? I think it does a lot of that, but I think they also are having real, I mean, they had Michael Knowles on, I mean, he's a guy, he's not a woman, but they had, they're having women on that are not that category of women. But did they then pit you against these poor girls who've never really thought through these

issues to make them look silly? I felt more, if I was pitted, it was more, I was actually debating against this gentleman who was there for the sort of pro promiscuity route. Okay. So I don't know, maybe that was unusual for the podcast because there are other episodes don't typically do that. But basically I ended up having a sort of exchange

with a guy that is part of that kind of Andrew Tate world. His name is Justin, and he seemed like a very nice guy when I met him. But he basically said on the show that he thinks women should be faithful, but men don't need to be. How convenient. But unfortunately, there's these kind of guys. I think there's a it's kind of a growing mantra. This is like this is actually what a feminine men look like. How do you think about the podcast? This is what a feminine men look like. How do you go about the podcast? This is what a feminine men look like men who when Aquinas uses the word of femininity

and he'll I don't know what the Latin is, but he uses it to mean men who do not do not persevere in what they are called to because it's difficult. Yeah, it seems to me a man who says I'm going to sleep around and that this is manly is a sad thing about it too, is like the Andrew Tate presentation is very macho, right? It's highly macho. It's all about not much about it. I only discovered like started learning about it maybe six months ago because it's seeping into I think some parts of conservativism where I see some conservative commentators

praising some of the things that Andrew Tate says because he's getting more influential, I guess. And then I was like, okay, who's this person that's influencing people? And then you go look at the stuff that he says and you're like, what, what is this? It's very misogynistic. I mean, it's very, and watch, I mean,

I'm curious what your folks are gonna say, your podcast listeners, but there's a lot of Andrew Tate fans that are very bought into his presentation of manliness, and so they don't like anybody criticizing him because they think people are too highly critical of men in our culture anyways. Get over it, like a soft reaction from men. Thursday, am I wrong?

I know you're the Gen Z guy, so maybe like, like I'm misinterpreting this but if you're a dude, I don't can't handle criticism and like But the reason Andrew Tate is popular is because we are in a society that is blaming all societal ills on men And he's the only one refusing at all to apologize and men who feel hurt run to that. I'm not saying it's right But that's the reason it's not because they can't take criticism It's because he's the only one refusing to take any and run to that. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the reason. It's not because they can't take criticism. It's because he's the only one refusing to take any and they want that. Well, I think it's because they're looking for an identity and their identity is just getting crushed by society.

That's what they may feel. And so Andrew Tate is promising this very masculine identity that doesn't apologize for itself, including its own faults. This is what happens when you don't accept the fall. Yes, it's like we are broken men and women and Christ wants to heal us so that our desires can be in line with objective reality. And when you don't agree to the fall, or if you don't accept Christ as your savior, you end up justifying sexual sin and normalizing it. Like I think Prager did on my show, because what else are you going to do? Yeah, it's true. It's true.

But I think that the the advantage is when you have someone who is at least active in an ideology period and they're like online doing stuff and there's crossover happening where their ideas are being challenged they'll watch that which is back to the whatever podcast the reason I agreed to go on because it was like four hours it was a long I want you to I don't want to catch off but I do just want to insert something real quick like I'm all for open discussions especially about things that we're not talking about and obviously there can be merit in that but

the only thing I've seen in this whatever podcast, it was like 20 seconds, was these guys who brought on women who didn't know what they were talking about and they made them look stupid. Well, I think they had brought on a lot of people, men and women who don't know what they're talking about. But I don't think that they think all of them don't know what they're talking about.

Does that make sense? No, I know that, but you should know that they don't and not just bring them on to look stupid. Well, I think the host,, not no offense to the host, but I don't know that the host has a fully developed. Is he a Christian? I don't think so. Yeah, that would help. So tell us about if he was a Christian, I don't think the show would be the way that it is. Okay. So tell us about how you went on. What that was like. Well, I went on it and they had the kind of cast of different folks that were living kind of their own version

of, I guess you could say the dating world, OnlyFans. I mean, that kind of, it's under the dating cover, but obviously OnlyFans is just prostitution, like a form of, it's pornography. And then they had this guy who's a friend of Andrew Tate's on, I'm not sure why he was on, but he was on to kind of talk about his view on dating. In the Chiron, friend of Andrew Tate. That's how I, I mean, his name is Justin,

but he was very proudly a friend of Andrew Tate, like close. They do business together, I think. So that got me interested because I was like, okay, let's see what your worldview is all about. Like, what is this about? Because they say a lot of things that sound conservative. Like he was saying pornography is a menace. So he was like disagree.

He was telling the OnlyFans ladies that pornography is a menace and they shouldn't be doing pornography. So I was like, okay. And then he's saying at the same time that he would go on and have multiple, he would be, he thinks it's okay to have multiple women as a man,

but women just need one man. So it's actually, I think the root of it is Islam, because I think Andrew Tate converted to Islam and they permit polygamy. So that's where it comes from, where they kind of put a veneer of even religiosity on it. I'm not saying he did that, but I think that's what Tate does.

It's almost a veneer of religiosity on what is effectively promiscuity. It justifies your weakness. Yeah. And it makes it look virtuous. Yeah. We need Voitiwa. He's the solution. Yeah, personalism.

Absolutely, as opposed to utilitarianism. Objectification, yeah. So it's like you encounter a person. I either see you as an object or as a person. If you are an object, then the utilitarian response is, how are you useful for me? But if you're a person, the question is, how can I honor you? One ends in egoism, one in altruism. And that also is because that exists in a Christian marriage.

I think it's deeply shocking to like the Andro-Tates of the world, because in their view, you have this particular gender role that you play within marriage very strictly. And so there's no space for flexibility or for seeing the other person in their, whatever their uniqueness is.

It's like you must be the feminine as I understand it to be, and I will be the masculine as I understand it to be. Instead of you are a person first. It's kind of like this idea that being a female is its own species as opposed to we both share human nature. We have more things that are alike than different. Yes, men and women are very different, but we actually are more alike as human beings

than we are different. So it's, but it's a reaction, right? To like the breaking down of the feminine and the masculine in our culture. But there's a overreaction, which is hyper feminization and hyper masculine. What does hyper feminization look like? Well, I mean, it's definitely like the costume of it

would be a man who says they're trans woman dressing up and this is the costume of a woman, right? You could say that could be an image of it. But I think in the, I mean, this might be a bit controversial but I think in the, even in sort of parts of the Catholic world, there's a temptation to hyper-feminize, which would be to say, if you're a woman,

then you belong in this, within a stereotype where you belong, it's like in the kitchen. You should not work outside of the home. You should, typically homeschooling is best. You should be the one who cooks. You should be the one who cleans. Your husband is the one who brings in money and sort of is this protector figure

and you do the entire household. So it's a rigidity about gender roles in general. You know, I think these are these are conversations that have to be had and they're worth having. My fear is that we're not gentle in having them. People come out swinging instead of realizing that we're all part of a broken culture that no longer knows what men and women are. We're all part of a broken culture that no longer knows what men and women are and could you I'm open to being led But don't come out and call people names because they haven't figured it out as well as you think you have and also that I mean There are a lot of ways to be a woman And I know that sounds like well the whole trans thing. It's like well, you know, what are you saying?

Womanhood is you know womanhood obviously it's your biology But how you live out your femininity is gonna look different for different women. There will be some through themes of how it looks. There'll be a lot of nurture. There'll be tenderness, but there's different kinds of women. Like, I mean, look at the saints.

Look how different they are. Mother Teresa versus Joan of Arc. They couldn't be more different in terms of, Teresa of Lesue, yeah. I mean, versus like St. Teresa of Avila, right? They have the same sanctity, the same holiness. They all had virtues, courage and love. But the way that they looked, the way they dressed,

the way they interacted in society, it looked very different. I mean, St. Joan of Arc, I mean, I think that's such a, she's such a, she's my confirmation saint. Beautiful, my wife's too. She loves her. Yeah, all the Catholic girls.

Saint Joan of Arc, be bold. Work and God will work. Act and God will act. That was actually in my speech this morning. Beautiful, beautiful. But, I mean, look what she did. I mean, I think it's actually for any, for us listening as women and men,

you know, we talk about what is the ideal woman, what is the ideal man, and I think they look very different. They all have virtue though. And for Saint Joan, you know, she literally wore armor. She led men in battle. She stood up to the powers that be in an incredible way. In a way she even stood up to the church.

I mean, the church obviously betrayed her. Those in power in the church at the time betrayed her. She was martyred ultimately, but what she did was very activist, it was very military. It was not your typical icon of femininity, but she was 100% a woman and a woman to be emulated. And so I think we have to reject the nonsense

of our culture today when it comes to- Men and women are identical. Yeah, men and women are identical. Yeah, men and women are identical or your biology doesn't determine your sex. You don't know your biology is your sex. But perhaps the cultures excess in this direction, right? So the whole transgender, the gender, gender ideology is a reaction to,

too rigid of gender roles of what a man or a woman are supposed to look like. Yeah, it's like putting the cart before the horse, eh? Like holiness brings about the full flourishing of our personalities, you might say. But it can be dangerous when you have an idea of what a holy woman looks like and you try to emulate that when that's not really a personality. Yeah, that's true. That's actually a very good point, Matt. Speaking to a lovely woman who was part of a missionary team, and she's just, her name's Renee Bennett, Renee Doyle now. Shout out to her.

Beautiful woman, powerful in the most beautiful feminine way, just funny and loud and good. And she said to me that she would encounter these other women who are very kind of quiet and like pious in the way we think of piety. And that she just so she thought I got to be that. And she suddenly killed her. She tried for several months.

Yeah. Well, that's why I love being Catholic, because there's space in Catholicism for everyone, for every personality, for different kinds of callings, for different states of life. There's a place for everyone. And by everyone I don't mean sin, you know, people actively living in sin unrepentantly, right? Obviously we have to repent and try again every day, but that's the beauty of the, it is a diverse, an incredibly diverse faith. I mean, Catholic means universal and you go anywhere in the world and you'll hear the Mass in all different languages, it's the same Mass.

So we serve the same God, but we do it in all different ways. My wife and I were talking about the husband's love wives submit. Oh, that's a topic. And what we've decided. I have a lot of opinions on that. Oh, and I'm happy to hear them. But what we kind of come to is if I'm focused, if I'm not so much focused on you got to submit, I'm focused on how do I love you? How do I pull my life out for you?

And if she's focused on how do I submit to your authority and she's not so much? That's when it works. It's like I want to give of myself to you. Like, but but but no woman should want to submit to a tyrant or someone who uses a Bible verse to to unleash his sexual perversion upon his wife or to walk over her. And my fear is that you might be, we might be seeing some of that stuff coming out. I think we do. I think we are seeing that. And I hear horror stories that are real stories

of those verses being weaponized. And I, you know, I have a lot of opinions because I see sort of in the different mindsets and worldviews that are bubbling up around us in our culture, what people are doing with that Bible verse, right? Both for good and for bad. And when I say for good, I mean, yes, you know, there is an order in marriage, which is that the man is the head of the household. And that's beautiful. And God's created it that way. And, you know, he's if there's an intruder downstairs and you hear noise. And a man tells his wife to go check on it, like then that's not okay, we all know that.

I know, the man is the first to get up and go take the blow if there's a blower, figure out what's going on. And when you're having a baby, the woman's having the baby. And the woman's nurturing that baby more than the man. Now we nurture in different ways, but in a unique way. And so there is a reality to those roles in marriage. Those ways we live out our femininity

or masculinity in marriage. But I think we can take it a step too far and we use it. It's been weaponized to cover up for some really dark things where men who have, I mean, I run across this, but men who have actual porn addictions or they have their own wounds. And so they're basically getting married and then using their wives as an outlet.

And they're kind of using that verse of, well, I'm the man and you're you're to submit to me. And it's it's disgusting. So that exists. And that's where all of these things. I mean, do you who do you think is doing a good job of explaining these nuances to people? Because I feel like there's not enough voices. I feel like Christopher West and Jason. Ever Jason is fantastic.

Jason's fantastic. Christopher, I would like I would follow him to the ends of the earth. But it, like, fair enough, right? We just like, we're kind of living in America where everyone's being blamed on being white, right? If you're white, you're the problem. What are you doing, man? Okay.

It's the same thing. Like, I get it. Like we are, we're being blamed for being men. Men are being blamed for being men. Yeah, I get that. But we are we're being blamed for being men. Men are being blamed for being. Yeah, I get that. But then to react to that where you can't handle any criticism. That's that's the softness you're trying to avoid. Go on, speak. Sorry.

I'm sorry. I I agree with you. Yeah, you should shouldn't be in a place where you can't take any criticism. But I I think that and this is not like to be offensive to either of you. Yeah, you should shouldn't be in a place where you can't take any criticism. But I, I think that, and this is not like to be offensive to either of you, but I think that when you spend time online, especially, and you're actually in the, the institutions that young people are in now, I think you would have a, think you would it's much worse than I think either of you two might know. What do you mean men men are just the male blaming. Yes, because I mean there are like horror stories of like I mean young boy.

Have you experienced it Thursday? I mean a little yeah and when I was in college a couple years ago before I dropped out but like I've heard stories of like young boys. college a couple of years ago before I dropped out. But like I've heard stories of like young boys. I love that you just added before I dropped out. Like you and that dude. Yeah, I'm very proud of it. I love that, yeah, keep going. I've heard horror stories of little boys

who are obviously more active than little girls. Being, you know, getting like, like there are kindergartens and preschools and young elementary and primary schools now. And part of the way they grade and decide if a kid is good or not is how, you know, quiet and submissive they are to the teacher. And it's like, that's messed up.

And it's like, and these boys are naturally more active and want to do more things and they're doing worse in school. No, but we, but see, we all know that. Like that's all, that's all, no one disagrees with you. Well, I think what- No Christian disagrees with you. So what I'm saying is even if you're right, and I agree that there's a lot of man shaming

and like toxic masculinity, but to make that impervious to any criticism, it's like someone who gets berated in a marriage continually, man or woman, and then any legitimate thing they get told, they can no longer hear because they've been berating. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do that, but I'm just saying that it's really bad for these young kids, especially the kids who have grown up in it. They're more sensitive to it. Okay. Yeah. I think, I mean, I think it's a dumpster. I think it's a dumpster fire out there in many schools for both boys and girls, but I think you're right in particularly that boys, because there's so much of the girl power stuff and there's so much, I mean, literally affirmative

action for women that has been aggressively done for the last few decades that men are suffering. I mean, I think that's a fact that men are suffering today. They have the highest rates, I think, of suicide and- Incarceration. Incarceration, absolutely. They do the most dangerous jobs. So men are definitely suffering. But what's the answer to a suffering man?

Do you take the suffering and channel it towards domination? Domination and your lower passions. Or do you take the suffering and order it towards leadership and service? Yeah, strengthen behalf of others. So that's where I mean, back to what I was asking earlier, like where are the voices? I mean, obviously someone like a Jordan Peterson,

I think has done a lot of good for men today, but there needs to be more voices speaking to men and speaking on these questions about submission and femininity and masculinity. Because otherwise, people will listen to Andrew Tate. People will listen to, or gender ideology, right, is the flip side you could argue. And it's gonna lead to a lot more suffering for people.

I'm gonna do something totally left field before we go on a break. So we're going to go to break in a minute and we're going to come back and we're going to take your questions from locals and super chats. If we have time, I'm going to mention five names that have to do with the pro life movement. And I want you to give me like a couple of word response to each. Like people. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. Clarence Thomas. I don't know them. Oh, Clarence Thomas. Um, awesome. Okay. Norma McCauvey. Um,

tragic but beautiful. Tucker Carlson. Um, a fighter. Donald Trump. No, thanks. God bless him though. Ruth Vader Ginsburg. Is her middle name really Vader? Vader? You wrote Vader, which is cool. Funny.

I mean, lost, poorly used talent. I mean, she's so talented. Imagine if she'd use that for good. Cool. All right, we're going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one.

I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I'm going to take a look at the next one. I mean, she's so talented. Imagine if she'd use that for good. Cool. All right, we're gonna take a break.

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But what's that? That's my maiden name on my book. So what is, are you allowed to say your last name or is that? We don't share it just because it's a privacy thing. We get like death threats and weird stuff. So it's just to protect our family. Was there a moment where you kind of skyrocket, what do you say?

When you kind of went into the public sphere and you were like, oh, I just passed a milestone here. Then getting a lot more attention. In college was the first time when it kind of I had the first sort of stint of that. And the first stint, and that comes with like the death threats and the the weird stuff death threats Wild I've not received a death threat yet. I think seriously. Yeah

I'm gonna kill you. Okay got one To the FBI they don't care Well, hey massive thanks to our local supporters. I want to give another shout out to Lila's new podcast on YouTube. There is a link in the description below. Please click it and do us a favor and click subscribe and the bell button

so that she can feel better about herself. Thank you. Every subscriber, I feel it. Yeah. There's another one. By the way, did you see Nefarious? I haven't seen it yet. I've heard it's awesome.

The commentary on abortion from the demon was unreal. Terrificly, we got a clip that and do like that on the on the it was the best. It was such a great show. Nice. The ending was it fell flat. But the the dialogue between the Nefarious and the psychologist was outstanding. I love that.

All right. I haven't read these ahead of time, so here we go. One B says, hello Lila, what advice can you give pro-life OBGYNs who work at a place where most of the other doctors are pro-abortion? Thank you for being brave in healthcare. It's so needed. Keep going. Don't be ashamed of your beliefs,

even though you might get sideways looks. I guarantee that some of your colleagues are respecting you deep down, even though they might disagree with you. And you're desperately needed in healthcare. I wish there was 10 times more of you, 100 times more of you. Greg M says, how does-

Oh, and join Aplog, the American Association of Poor Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. That is a fantastic group to just be connected to if you're not already. I wanted to follow up on Trump. You said, as we went to break, you're like, I should have said something else about Trump.

Well, just to clarify, I think it's important because- Okay, I'll try again, ready? There's a lot of- Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, okay. Donald Trump. Well, no, I'm gonna do a little dissertation here, okay? I'm not just gonna do my little one line. So I think this is is important because he's probably gonna be he seems to be the frontrunner. He's probably he might be the nominee

So, you know and your problem with that is what do you have a problem with that? I Will I'm now American Wow I don't have to I don't think the vote matters at all But I will and I'm gonna vote for who I think hates me less. That became American two weeks ago. That means you have to vote. I don't have to. I don't think the vote matters at all, but I will. And I'm going to vote for who I think hates me less. That's fair. That's my standard.

And that's what most people will do. So I will absolutely vote for Trump. And I would not judge anyone for voting for Trump if he is the nominee against some radical pro-abort. Which is anyone they put up in the Democratic by. But I wish we could do a different nominee. And why? Because I think he, as someone who has,

I don't like voting for somebody with the character that he's, I mean, it's one thing if you're, people say, well, all politicians are equally bad, right? But if you're publicly bragging about being bad, that's another level of bad. Well, I have someone. So there's that. And then in addition, you know, he recently said

he backed down on life. I don't know if people know this. Yeah, I saw that in the town hall. He said he was for incest and. Well, he's for exceptions. He's always been. So he's never been a hundred percent pro-life champion on that front.

He has always been for some children. It's okay to be killed by abortion. And then in addition, he thinks that the federal government doesn't have a role to play. And it's like the whole point of Roe v Wade being overruled was that now we can take steps towards abortion bans before that before weren't possible so absolutely the federal government has a job to do job to do. So if he were for the federal government taking a role here

and you just thought he was a gross person. Would you be more? I still wouldn't want him to be the nominee. No, I would not want him to be the nominee. Who would you like to be? I got a nominee for you. You ready? This is breaking from life site news. Taylor Marshall. Have you seen this? He's writing for president. Yes. And I don't think it's a joke. I don't think it is either. Taylor Marshall announces run for president of the United States.

You want to endorse him? You know, the only reason I know more about Taylor Marshall fromces run for president of the United States. You want to endorse him right now? I know more about Taylor Marshall from Laura Horne than I know from Taylor Marshall. Yeah. And it was wildly entertaining. She's terrific. Thank you for that. I'm a huge Laura Horne fan. Here's the question, and I want you to weigh in on this Thursday.

I want to know what Trump's nickname for Taylor Marshall is going to be. Little Tay-Tay maybe. I don't know. I mean, I, I think I know that we've been, we've been like, sorry, we're getting serious again. All right. Yeah, that's right. One more serious thing. If you say this, a lot of people on the right accuse you of virtual virtue signaling, but I do think the way that the president

of the United States talks about women matters and talks about men matters and talks about human beings matter. I mean, what you do politically matters tremendously, but also what you say does matter, right? So the whole argument with Trump is like, doesn't matter what he said in the past or what he's done or doesn't matter what he says now, as long what he's done or it doesn't matter what he says now

as long as his policy is good. And I can understand that argument when you're up against like someone like an extreme pro-abortion pro, you know, Biden, right? But I do think we should want more out of our candidates. Why can't we want more and still vote for him gladly because he is not Biden? I'm not saying you can't if he is the nominee,

but he's not the nominee yet. And the only reason he'd become the nominee is because enough people are like, oh, he's got to be the nominee again. No, you could pick somebody else. So that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Thank you. All right, let's see here. He's not doomed to become the nominee. He's very old, but he doesn't seem nearly as old as Biden. Biden seems like that poor fella. Biden needs a nap.

OK, let's see. Brian B323 says, who has been your biggest role model in the pro-life movement, or what prompted you to get involved in the pro-life movement? I mean, my mother had eight kids, so that's a big role model right there. She's very pro-life in that. Mark Crutcher was an inspiration.

God rest his soul. He actually recently passed away, which is really heartbreaking. So he started Life Dynamics and he was an activist from Texas that started doing investigative reporting of abortion clinics in the 80s out of his garage. I mean, he was just like pioneer, mega pioneer, an amazing guy, super quirky and interesting. How do I get involved? Was that the other part of the question?

Another question. Can you be quirky and not interesting? No. OK. Not to me, anyways, I like just. Yeah. How did you get involved? So that was some of your heroes. But like, was it your the witness of your folks or? Lots of things.

One thing was my grandmother volunteered at the Pregnancy Resource Center. And then another thing was finding out about abortion as a kid by reading this book called The Handbook on Abortion. And it had images of what happens to children during abortion. And so once you really see what abortion is, you, you're changed.

You have to do something about it. You can't just live your life the way you were before. Molly says, I volunteered at a pro-life clinic and we noticed that women are desensitized to images of their children. Seeing a child on an ultrasound used to trigger empathy or stir maternal reactions, not so much anymore. How do you proclaim the gospel of life to a crowd that's maybe just posturing this indifferent

towards the dignity of human life? That's so tough. That's so, so tough. I mean, my tack would be to find out what are the motivations for the abortion? Were she practically coming short? Like, does she needing practical resources? Is is it the boyfriend is it the relationship she's in what are her fears what are her dreams because for a lot of women I think

they they're so numb to their humanity of their baby because of their circumstances that they're more worried about their circumstances so try to help her with those circumstances Eric I think you probably already know that if you're counseling. Greg Fiskins Eric says, my co-worker and his wife have three kids all conceived through IVF. He and I talk about the difficulties of our wives' pregnancies and deliveries, and occasionally he'll bring up IVF in these conversations. We haven't ever had the chance to talk about IVF at length, so I've never been able to describe the church's teachings on the matter. He's not Catholic,

his wife is. How would you recommend responding or reacting to these situations as a Catholic? I mean, first of all, you got to celebrate those kids. And that's the thing. I think there's a lot of sensitivity, understandably so around IVF, because those that have brought their children into the world through this technology, they're so thrilled that their child, they have their child, that their child has life.

So we have to celebrate those lives first and say those lives are not a mistake, those lives are amazing. But once I think people are more educated on what IVF has done in this country, I mean, a million estimated frozen embryos, many of them frozen for decades or just thrown away, experimented on the dangers of IVF to the babies that are conceived. It usually takes multiple rounds, so that means

multiple children are killed. It's highly dangerous for the child. I actually did an episode of my podcast interviewing a former IVF doctor to talk about why she left the practice and decided it was unethical. So check that out. The Lila Rose podcast YouTube channel. Yeah. If you were talking to Dave Rubin right now, is that the approach you would take? You would begin by celebrating? For sure. Yeah. Affirm their child's life. I would start there. Because if you just start by saying, oh, what, what, this is wrong somehow. All they can think of is their child.

Yeah. Their beautiful child. That's true with anything, isn't it? somehow, all they can think of is their child. Yeah. Their beautiful child. Mm-hmm. That's true with anything, isn't it? Like if you were chatting with somebody who wanted to get an abortion, you would probably affirm the real fears they're currently experiencing. Yeah. And also, and also be positive with them too, though.

I think a woman who's fearing, who's just found out she's pregnant, who's scared, giving her positive affirmation too, like, you know, congratulations, even though you're also acknowledging her fear, I should do that too, because sometimes she just needs to be told congratulations. Because if she's pregnant, she tells her boyfriend who's like mad that she's pregnant, and then she tells her mother that's mad that she's pregnant, and everyone's mad

that she's pregnant, she just needed to hear someone be happy for her, happy that this baby exists. Yeah, we've got a couple of super chats here, and you can address this one again. We touched on it, but CarloMangoTV, probably not a real name, says, Lila or Matt, what do you guys think of Trump's answer at the CNN town hall when asked about abortion and the overturning of Roe vs. Wade? The which answer was this? I don't know if I... Well, the only one I can think of is I didn't watch the whole the whole thing was when I pull up the Trump's answer for the CNN town hall yeah I don't know we can't play it oh you can yeah we're not Joe Rogan yet

we'll get there one day we just need to invest in a big old TV to go right there we have to remove Mary McKillop and Lila's book. You need more super chats? No it'll go where Bruce Lee is. All right but the one I can remember is him saying that he's against abortion except for those cases of rape and incest. So what- Well, that's his typical talking point. Yeah, what's your opinion on politicians

giving that answer? I think it's a huge mistake. Okay. Yeah. And I agree. You're basically pro-abortion. Yeah, you really are. Yeah.

Because you're saying it's always wrong to kill, it's not always wrong to kill innocent human beings. And that's the whole way abortion was made legal anyways, was these extreme dire circumstances saying we need to have abortion in these rare cases. And that's how abortion at large is justified. So you can't walk that back by saying, well, abortion isn't fundamentally wrong. It's only wrong in some cases. It's like, well, why is it only wrong in some cases then?

It's still the child. It's a child conceived in rape or conceived in a different way, regardless, it's still a child. So do you- And also the thing that's so sad about that too, is it says to a woman who's a survivor of rape, who may be pregnant, that abortion is somehow the automatic solution for her.

When abortion is an additional trauma and it doesn't heal her or take away the rape. So do you think maybe it isn't politically expedient to make these concessions? No, you don't need to do it. Just say, I am proudly pro-life because life is precious. I know, wouldn't that be, isn't that what people want? They want people just to stop lying? Yeah, they want people to be authentic and proud of where they stand. This, yeah. Yeah, honest. The Guardian just put out an article, first UK baby with DNA from three people born after a new IVF procedure.

Did you hear about that? That's awful. The first UK baby created with DNA from three people has been born after doctors performed a groundbreaking IVF procedure that aims to prevent children from inheriting incurable diseases. It's like the little boy in San Diego who was created via IVF and only the DNA,

I think, of two people, but he's being raised by three men, and they all insisted that their names be on his birth certificate. So he has no mother on his birth certificate, and he has three men. So what kind of confusion will that kid have growing up about where he came from and who he belongs to? It's it's so sad

Yeah I I missed that second super chat. Do you mind reading that if you have it there? Yeah um Okay, uh What do we do now that many states and countries are practically making sidewalk counseling illegal? God bless both of you Well, it's not illegal. So keep doing it Cool, I mean it is in the UK. Oh in the UK. Sorry. This is a UK person I mean, he said it's not a legal and countries not illegal in the US. So keep doing it in the UK

I'm extremely inspired and proud of Those priests and the women and the men who go out there and they just do it anyways, isn't that cool? It's so cool Catholicism, I mean the reality is changing changing an unjust system requires sacrifice. Yeah, and it requires activism And so they're doing the right thing by doing that RJ mtk who is a local supporter says we are are restarting our pro life ministry team here at my home parish. Do you have some recommendations for us as we restart this ministry? The city is a Midwestern town, 69,000 people. Thankfully, there is not an abortion clinic here, although we do have a Planned Parenthood here as well.

There are Christensen Pregnancy Centers and two food pantries in town. Awesome. That's fantastic. So he said he's asking, do you have any recommendations as they restart this ministry? Because there's one thing, if you're starting a ministry in a town that has an abortion mill. I would say double down and give it your all, go all in and don't give up, keep going. What was the first part of the question? Did I miss some context there?

Well, we're starting a pro-life ministry, restarting a pro-life ministry in their home parish. Okay, great. What should they do as they restart this ministry? Just go all in, just do it. But what does that even mean? What does a ministry look like in a town that doesn't have abortion laws?

What kind of ministry work to do? What kind of ministry should they be doing? I guess that's a good idea. You got to distinguish what kind of ministry you are. Well, I find out the nearest abortion clinic because you can go and make visits like on a Saturday to go pray. So find out the nearest one. Pregnancy Resource Center.

They can even pray at the abortion, the Planned Parenthood there. Even if it refers for abortion, 100%. I would definitely figure out what kind of education the parish is doing for the youth group, or is your priest educated? Can he include it in his homilies sometimes? I do that.

I become trained to be an advocate, an apologist to take some classes. Live Action has some great classes you can sign up for. Get involved in politics to get pro-life candidates engaged. Those are a few things. Simple question you've been asked a billion times from Matt Hendricks. He says, what scientific facts do you use to show that the human life starts at conception? Well, heartbeat is beating at just three and a half weeks.

At conception. At conception. I mean, you could say the statistic that 94 or 5% of scientists say that life begins at conception. At conception, I mean, you could say the statistic that 94 or 5% of scientists say that life begins at conception. But I think more importantly, we know that a unique single cell embryo comes into existence at sperm egg fusion. So.

If it's not alive, why do you need to kill it? I know. Well, if it's not alive, why do you need to kill it? And it also will grow into, if you give it time, you know, an embryo and fetus, an infant, you know, people say, well, what about a sperm or an egg? There's somehow life too, right? That's the pro-abortion talking point. It's like a sperm is never going to become a human life. It needs to become a single-cell embryo within after

infuse, after sperm egg fusion. So this question is a little longer, but I think it's really good. So the other thing I say too, to help people conceptualize that one is back to in vitro in in vitro. What are you trying to, what is the in vitro specialist trying to create? They're trying to not create a sperm or an egg. They're trying to create sperm egg fusion and a single cell embryo. And they're like, aha, we've got an embryo. We've got a individual life that we may implant or may not. So that kind

of gives you the clue about when life begins to. I like that. Greg says, where do Lila and live action fall on the federalism question? I can give you more context. It's a long question. Yeah. You stop me when you think there's enough. The federal government has, what is the job of the federal government, but to ensure our basic human. The federal government has, what is the job of the federal government but to ensure our basic human rights? So it is, I think the question is, is it the states or the federal? Some pro-lifers will tell you that overturning

the Roe decision is not enough, the federal law prohibiting abortionation. What is necessary are the pro-lifers will tell you that overturning Roe is as much as can be hoped for in this culture. Yeah, I mean, if our, so if we live in a country where we're founded on that first human right, which is life. And there's some states in that country that are permitting the franchising of lethal power to abortionists to kill innocent people, then that's a violation of your constitutional

rights and the federal government should get involved. So it's not this. Imagine saying that about slavery. Oh, well, let the South do what they want to do and the North will do what they want to do. And then the United States will do what they want to do. government should get involved. So it's not, imagine saying that about slavery, oh well let the South do what they want to do and the North will do what they're gonna do on slavery. They don't have any right to be free. Well, they

clearly, we all have the right to be free and we more, even more foundationally have the right to live. And the 14th Amendment, I mean we're actually putting out the new North Star coalition letter live action, and it's going to basically refocus, reframe what's the point of what we're fighting for. It used to be we're going to overturn Roe v. Wade. Now it's the 14th Amendment already ensures legal protection, equal protection under the law for all people. So that's the equal protection clause and that no state has the right to deprive life from anyone without due process. Obviously, there's no due process in an abortion. So already

our Constitution protects life. It's already there. It's up to now the powers that be to actually enforce that protection. Now that Roe versus Wade has been overturned, is it possible that we get a few more pro-death Supreme Court justices on such that the whole thing gets flipped back? I mean, it could happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the argument for, you know, just kind of holding your nose in a Trump v Biden battle and voting Trump. Grant Kay says, have you, Lila, had any success on getting pro choices to become pro lifers?

Oh yeah. Yeah. It happens all the time. It's awesome. That's like the whole live action thing is. I mean, it's like, it's like trying to, like, I really do think of this sort of woke left pro death Gnostic cult as a religion and like a violent one. And I wonder though, if it's kind of like converting somebody on the spot,

but then they just go back into their religion and how long that belief lasts. It's actually a really interesting question, right? Cause, cause we do these like focus groups and surveys where people see some of our pro-life content. They like see our abortion procedure videos where it actually shows the baby being aborted through medical animation and we get some crazy numbers where people change their minds after seeing those videos. And then we ask at our team, okay, well, six months later, are they, is their

mind still changed or have they heard some other pro-abortion talking point and they went back? And so that's why the whole idea of changing a mind isn't one and done, right? It's a life in process because people we change. I got a feeling it's gotten really little to do with the intellectual arguments and way more to do with people around us liking us. So if you sit me down and you show me that this happens and I am genuinely shocked by it, genuinely shocked by it. And you know, you're a safe person to tell I've changed my mind. But I go back into a pro-death culture that I want them to like me. I just, I kind of want to fit in.

Well, I think the fit in is huge because people want to belong. Yeah. You've probably heard like, behave, believe, believe, behave, belong and, or believe, behave, belong and people. I haven't heard it though. Yeah. So this idea that in order for people to really change their mind, belief, like that when they watch that video, right? They have this belief in their mind, oh yes, this is a life. But then they need to behave like that, right?

This is very metaphysically the reality, right? They have to behave like their belief for that to become real. And then they have to actually belong. It has become their identity. And that is a process of steps that has to be repeated multiple, multiple times. Right. So to become a saint, you have to believe and keep behaving virtuously. And ultimately you're belonging more closely to God.

That's lovely. But with our pro-life work, that's why live Action's slogan is expose, inspire, activate. So, expose is believe. Inspire is ultimately the behave, like get people to do stuff, inspire action, and then activate is ultimately become part of the activist community, the pro-life community. So, that's why when we're changing minds at Live Action,

it's not like, oh, we just want everyone in the world to see our videos, it's like, oh, we want everyone in the world to see our videos and then see them again next week and then join the live action following and the pro-life movement and then like do all this pro-life stuff, because that's the way to change the culture. Yep. Julia says, any tips for a labor and delivery nurse wanting to fight for life within the system? I'm surrounded by doctors and nurses who contradict themselves. We take care of babies in the womb and take every measure to make sure they're safe. Then if their mom decides she doesn't want it,

we don't care about the heartbeat. Yeah. Talk about a contradiction. Advice for you. I would say just keep, I mean, it sounds very simple, but every day just keep being brave. And keep sharing, as you can, the truth about dignity, the dignity of human life with your colleagues. Never compromise. I mean, I hear horror stories of compromise. Like, oh, they made me watch an abortion.

No one can make you watch an abortion. You walk out and you leave and you say, I will never be, I will have zero part of this. I completely disapprove. This is violence. I cannot do this. So don't ever compromise. And ultimately that will be part of your evangelism

is how you're living your loving being a nurse. Brett says, and this is to these kind of difficult cases, I recently read an article telling the story of a woman who gave birth to a baby that has severe brain disorder and was brought to term and died shortly after being born. The mother recounted how hard it was knowing she gave birth to a baby whose brain wouldn't develop properly and would pass away quickly. Are there ever instances where terminating pregnancy is an option? I'm very pro-life, but in the rare circumstance where a baby truly has a disorder that means death after birth, I struggle. So there's actually just a report done, we just reported in the Set Life Action, of a

unprecedented surgery in utero of a baby's brain. The brain had a hole in it. Wow. And they closed the child's brain, the hole of the child in whole of the child's brain in utero, and the child was born and survived and is thriving now. So anyways, I don't know this particular condition that's being referenced. Obviously in some cases, the child will ultimately not survive, but we're all not gonna survive in the end.

We all have a terminal illness called being humans. Like we're gonna either die before, you know, before birth, we're gonna die at one year old, 10 year old, 100 year old, at some point we all die is the point. And we don't have the right to take another person's life, period, even if they're gonna die, because we're all gonna die. It's just some are gonna die sooner than others.

And then the other thing there is, well, it's compassionate because the child's gonna suffer, right? So the abortion is somehow compassionate because it's gonna eliminate suffering. Abortion is suffering. I mean, I would challenge anybody who is pro-abortion. This is probably a late term abortion in this case,

because that's typically when they find out these developmental problems, because the child's later in development to have the problem. And these are barbaric procedures. They involve lethal injections into the child, poisoning the child over a matter of hours, it's torturous. They involve live dismemberment. Yes, second term ester abortions on some babies

who are viable are live dismemberment abortions. I know that kind of maybe just passes to pass people because it's so horrible to comprehend, but that means that child is being gripped by four steps. Locals.com, matfrad.locals.com for when YouTube bans itself to saying what you're going to say. Go! Say it though. Anyways, the procedure is, in a second term as to abortion, you grip the child's body parts, whatever you can get as the abortionist.

First of all, you open the cervix, you go in there with your tools, use forceps that has a row of sharp teeth on it to actually be a gripping mechanism and get into the flesh to the bone. And you use that, and then you use ripping motions. And the child, you know, the bones are calcified, but the child is just a weak, tiny little infant, right? And you literally rip off appendages of the child

and you rip into the torso to deliver those pieces. Well, the child is alive. There's actually abortionists who talk about how they feel the life energy of the child fighting back against the grip of the forcep. And then they crush the skull, deliver the skull and check for pieces, deliver. I mean, that's a second trimester abortion.

And you can hear, I mean, we've investigated abortionists actually were talking about David Delight and my friend has tapes about abortionists talking about this and how they do this procedure. This is the most prevalent second trimester abortion procedure in the country. People have no clue how utterly barbaric it is. That's compassionate.

Like it's one thing to empathize with, sympathize. Even if it was moral, somehow in some magical universe that it's moral to kill an innocent child and to take life into our own hands. That's barbaric. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a mother who's about to deliver a baby who's going to die within hours or days. I can't imagine that. That's horrific and awful and it's deeply sad that a woman would have to go through

that. I can recognize that and at the same time say it's always wrong to kill innocent human beings You know the thing about grief Yeah, yeah, cuz I cuz we've interviewed we just interviewed a beautiful couple Joe and his wife and they talk about how they had this case their child baby Ember was You know had a severe terminal illness, a developmental condition, basically missing parts of her brain, and the doctors all told them to abort.

And instead of aborting, they delivered their little daughter Ember, and she lived, I think, an hour in their arms before she passed. And they felt profound grief throughout the entire pregnancy and of course at her passing, but they were able to properly mourn their daughter. And it wasn't the grief of hiring a hit man

to kill their daughter. Exactly, exactly. And I think when people get a terminal illness or a bad diagnosis when they're pregnant and it's so overwhelming, they just wanna, there's a temptation, you just wanna run away from it. But killing that sick child isn't going to help you heal from the grief of losing that child.

It's going to compound it with the additional act that you did and the only way you're gonna be able to deal with that going forward, unless you acknowledge what you did with that abortion, is you're gonna to stuff that grief, and it's going to come out in other ways. So I think that's the loving message is actually running from grief only is going to make the grief worse.

It's going to make the grief sicker. My wife's reading a book right now, because she has a lot of ailments called The Body Keeps the Score. It's such a good book. And I wonder how many women were only able to heal mystery elements after confessing sin and facing the trauma.

I was just at an event speaking last week and a woman came up to me and said, I minister to older women and I hear their last like women who are basically dying. Like she works, I think in an elderly person's home and she says, they all tell me about their abortions, that they just couldn't talk about it. And they're at the end of their life, and almost no one knows. And they are just gutted by it.

And they don't know what to do with the child that they never gave a chance. And now they're on their deathbed and that child never. I mean, it's just horribly heart wrenching. But yeah, that's our society, right? There's nothing to grieve, abortion is good. And I mean, The Body Keeps the Score was such a powerful book,

but I wanted him to get into abortion regret. Who's he? The author, what's the author's name? Oh, I see, I've never read it. It's a great one, yeah. I mean, the other thing in that book that was very powerful was that basically what you experience as a child affects you as an adult,

even if you don't remember what you experienced as a child, including in utero. And I've actually interviewed abortion survivors who talk about the experience that they had. These are children who were almost aborted or their twin was aborted. And they talk about the trauma that they experienced, even though they don't remember it,

they still physiologically experienced being hunted. Dear Lord. And they have like dreams of being hunted by their own mothers. Oh Lord have mercy. So it's just, that book was so, when I read it, I was like, this is such a good book. Who's the author, Thursday?

Can you look it up? Is that okay? I'm asking Thursday to do so. Yeah, he's terrific. But I was like, get into that. Because if your theory here is that the body keeps the score, is that we absorb our experiences and whether or not we process them emotionally or psychologically.

No, it's just a name and a half. I mean, Bessel Vander Kolk. Is that the author? The body keeps the score. Okay. Bessel? Bessel. Okay. Vander Kolk. B-E-S-S-E-L. Van. Space. I'm not going to try to say his name.

Kolk. M- space. Cook, indeed. Anyways, great book. But yeah. Yeah. OK, we have a super chat here from Jeremiah Bok, who says, thank you ever so much for having someone voice criticism of Trump on the show. Conservatives talk a lot about the need for free speech to see. Extend on a to see it extend on a,

yeah, to see it extend on a conservative show is refreshing and needed. Cheers. Thanks for giving us 20 bucks. Hey, you can give that to me, Magna. You get 10, yeah. But I want to just acknowledge why that is. And you kind of said it earlier, actually.

You said it really well about something else, about Ukraine off camera. I don't know if I wanna talk about it on that camera. But it's this phenomenon, right? There's so much bias today against conservative politicians and conservative, you could just call them conservative beliefs. I don't really like that term,

but for want of a better term right now, we'll use it. This conservativism in general, that if somebody is advocating for that and those same people are attacking that person, you want to defend that person, even if they're someone who is maybe not very defendable. You said it much more succinctly earlier. You want to know what one thing I said was your enemy of your friend of your enemy is your enemy is the idea. The friend of your enemy is your enemy is the idea. If people you have no respect for and who lie frequently are supporting Ukraine in any capacity, the temptation is to then say, well, they must be wrong. Here's an example.

If MSNBC loves Trump, then or hates Trump, excuse me, then there must be nothing wrong with Trump at all. Trump must be fantastic. Last year I went. But that's not the way the Catholics should think for those that are listening. nothing wrong with Trump at all under any circumstances. Fantastic, yeah. Last year I went- But that's not the way the Catholics should think, for those that are listening. I don't think anyone should think, but our first allegiance is not to partisan politics.

It's to Christ. It's not to tribalism. Our allegiance is to Christ and to truth, even when that truth is unpopular, especially when that truth is unpopular. I wanna give you an example of this. So last year I went to the Ukrainian border and I did a couple of videos

and I was able to raise $850,000 for medical supplies in Ukraine. Matt, that is awesome. Yeah, and so I went to Lviv last week, I think, and we went to a hospital that helps wounded soldiers. So I got to see men with legs and arms blown off and it was pretty horrific. And why? Because Russia invaded them.

And so I took a photo of Father Jason and one of the nurses in front of these boxes of gauze and all these other things. That's all I did. I just showed this photo and I said thank you because I didn't raise the money. They did. Well, I raised it but I didn't give the money. They did. And so I said thank you for doing this. Here's a comment I got. You ready? And so I said, thank you for doing this. Here's a comment I got. You ready? Why are quote unquote Catholics donating to a satanic regime? Shameful. The artist state of Vatican to quote Catholicism. So like it's an illness, but it comes from somewhere and it comes from certain parts of.

I mean, I think we have to be unafraid to occasionally rebuke our own. Always, constantly. And, you know, and by the way, if I step out of line, I want people to tell me how I stepped out so I can step back in and do what's right, because I'm gonna get it wrong sometimes, like we all do. Yeah.

But the reality is Russia invaded Ukraine, an independent sovereign nation, and they just invaded them and started blowing up towns. Yeah, and I don't know. Like that is not okay. And the fact that there's a lot of conservatives who are mad that Ukraine, now I understand the criticism. Oh, it's a money funneling game

because there's a lot of corruption. Maybe there's some corruption, sure, but. Obviously there's corruption. There's corruption everywhere. And obviously you can be critical of NATO. Maybe there's some corruption, sure. But obviously there's corruption. There's corruption everywhere. And obviously you can be critical of NATO. But obviously you can have differences about how much the US should be helping. But at least your mission trip. I mean, come on. But I'm like, how corrupt is Matt Fratt? Well, I'm very corrupt, but we're trying to raise money for orphans. Like, would you like to help? And it was unreal. It was really cool to see the to see just how wow.

And I think I don't like it when I see occasional bits of maybe the right sort of like praising Putin. Seriously, he's a thug. The obfuscation seems to me analogous to the abortion issue. Like when people say, we have it, it's very complicated. He's a thug. He kills journalists. And he is against freedom of speech in his country. He does not possess our values. People say, Oh, because he's so close with the Orthodox church, he must possess our values. No, he doesn't possess our values. He's using the Orthodox church and he's invading other countries, sovereign countries and killing. I mean, leading to the deaths of civilians, innocent children, men, women and children.

It was brutal to see. We went to different towns and there was just these mass graves. Yeah. Mass graves. Can you explain more about the mass graves? Yeah. Have you already talked about it? No, not at all. I should show you these photos. Show them to me. But there. I think that's fantastic that you did that, Matt. Well, I did very little.

I went there and invited people to support to support. If you scroll through there. But I think let's just be real, if you listen to your typical kind of. Conservative media today, a lot of folks think that the whole Ukraine thing is not a big deal or that it's a money smuggling machine for. Well, one of the things we're trying to do is to help these poor orphans and these poor children who no longer have a dad. Sorry, I clicked off.

That's all right. I can't find it. And but the thing is, a country in order to survive at war can't give away its children. And so right now we're working with the Ukrainian government to see if we can bring refugee, sorry, orphans to America at least for four years or so and then send them back. So because Poland got flooded. Right. Yeah. So if you like over a million refugees, right. At least I'm sure it was a tremendous amount. And so they're kind of probably strapped for resources. So these are all orphans. No, that that there's the flags from the grave

in that particular town. Yes. That's just the town. Oh, I see other people who died and but it was it was it was one of the heartbreaking things Was I was filming these are civilian deaths? No, those are soldiers. Oh, these are those ones are soldiers Gotta interpret this. Yeah. Yeah But these are Ukrainian soldiers. Yes. Okay, I see. Yeah. It was heartbreaking. I filmed just walking through the sea of flags, right? And I came across this old man

who was sitting by a grave clearly of his son. That broke my heart there, man. I'll tell you what. The war is disgusting. When you say orphans, their mothers were killed too. Yep. Yeah, so it's not just, I mean, that's the thing. We've got good evidence that,

I mean, I'd be open to be proving wrong here and I'll correct the record, but I don't think there's one instance of Ukraine attacking civilian buildings, but we have, that's all Russia seems to be doing, attacking hospitals, attacking daycares, attacking apartment complexes. And I think that the core, the salient point is that

Ukraine was invaded. Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah. Yep. Not Ukraine invaded Russia. That is correct. Post row says DM Tran. Currently how many states have achieved banning some level of abortion?

How many states are opposite and made into law late term or postpartum choices for removal of the baby? You know? So there's about, depending how you count it, 12 to 14 states that have basically banned all abortion. There's a few states that have some exceptions, 14, about 14, depending how you count them. It's incredible. That's why you celebrate Roe v. Wade being overruled because these, they estimate over 30,000 lives have been saved by these laws

in the first six months of them being enacted, trigger laws. But yeah, some states have gone the other direction like California, my state, they passed Proposition 1, which has basically legalized abortion up until birth, made it this constitutional right in our state. It's it's horrific. It's a lot of work to be done. There are so many questions. We got another super chat, by the way. Oh, did we just send it? How does a super chat work, Matt? Well, let me tell you, Lila, people who are very beautiful and want to stand out from the other live chatters

will pay to comment live. 20 bucks? Yeah, we'll buy you a drink after this. You're gonna come hang out with Cameron or are you gonna go? I think I have to, I'm having a dinner with Father Dave. Well, he didn't give me an honorary doctorate. Then we're taking off, I'm sorry. You can talk to him about that.

I'd love to have dinner with you guys, it sounds so fun. I wonder if he texted me back. I did ask him for honor. I did say I was quite outraged. Let's see. Nothing, absolutely nothing. He must be with those graduating students or something. Yeah.

I love Franciscan. I'm so glad that I'm here. They're such good people. Oh, and they would have been just, you must have been like a superstar because they're so grateful. People are so grateful for the good work that you've done. All right.

There was someone here who just said they wanted to thank you for being a strong woman and doing the good work that you've done. And now I can't find it. But that was the gist. That was the gist of it. I'm like texting that encourage me. Yeah, here you go. Now, here it is.

Alyssa Utesc says, Lila, you inspire me so much. Thank you for being a good example of a strong woman. Who are your favorite saints and why? Well, we talked a little earlier about some of them. So I've always loved Mother Teresa, even before I became Catholic, because she was just so simple and loving and wanting to help the most,

like seeing Jesus in everyone. And her writings are particularly beautiful to me because she doesn't write in this lofty intellectual way. She writes in this very simple, almost stream of consciousness, but poetic way. And it's very easy to read and just absorb because you kind of feel her spirit in her words because there's no editor on that.

There's no editor on that stuff. It's so good. Like love until it hurts, until the last drop. That's no editor on that stuff. It's so good. Um, like love until it hurts until the last drop. That's good. You know? Um, and then St. Joan of Arc is a huge inspiration for me. We're going to France in two weeks. Oh, that's so cool. We're going to show up at her place. Just show up at her place and knock on the door. Where she was burnt. Where she was burnt. Wow. At the stake. Yeah. Wow. Can you imagine being burned at the stake? No. I got hit by an electric bike recently, Lila. I heard about that.

And that was the greatest suffering I've endured in my 39 years of life. Was it actually painful? No, not really. But it was a fun video. You gotta watch it. People love it. You should stage more of those for...

I'm gonna have to. I'm still mad we got copyright claimed on that video. Yeah. Wait, why? Because I used technically copyrighted music Technically how about just you did Technically because never mind we talked about later it fell into fair use and I'm 100. Oh, I say dude You did such a good job on that edit though. That was so funny

But this is what people want. They want to see me getting hurt. So yeah Hey, okay back to the whatever podcast. Yeah wanna see me getting hurt, so. Yeah. Hey, oh, they're, okay, back to the Whatever podcast. Yeah, let's do that. I wanna ask you. No, no, no, no, no. It's not about the podcast. It's about something else, actually. I just wanna share, because it's so funny. All right, so earlier, that guy, Brian,

before he did the Whatever podcast. No idea who he is. He did all these other videos. Who is he, what is he? Well, I didn't know anything about it until Michael Noles went on the Whatever podcast. The host, thank you. Until Michael Noles went on the Whatever podcast,

I'm like, wow, this is, he's doing such good work for Humanity being on this podcast, it's great. But anyway, so I was, the other day, he was gonna put the video up from our interview and then they deleted it and then they re-uploaded it, this whole thing. That's not the point though. The point is I was on the channel,

like looking at their videos and I'm like, oh, he's been making videos for years. So I like went to the oldest videos and there are these like, some of them are weird and raunchy, but there are some that are hilarious. And one of them is this guy going to a poetry reading in Santa Barbara at some like library, right? And he goes and he's like, I'm gonna read,

this poem is called One Million. So he goes up and he's like, one. I knew you were gonna do that. Two. Yeah three four Five six, where did he get to before they dragged him off 200? I didn't watch till 200 but he got to 200 and then they're like they like drag them off is it's not Hilarious had you heard of that before? No, I haven't heard of it I think he I don't know if that's his thing is like he invented that I was like that is hilarious

I mean, it's not that good. It's hilarious. I thought it was very funny. I'm like, I kind of want to go do that or something. So how so we mentioned the whatever it's called podcast. How, how did you so you were chatting with a fella who said men should be able to fornicate and that's just how manly of them to be able to do that. So how did the conversation go? Did you, I presume you tried to rebuke him. I did. In a gent, I tried to, well, more than rebuke even,

I just got curious about his worldview and I started asking him questions like, well, would you want your daughters to be with men like that? And would you want your kids to know that that's how you're living? Like, you know, wanted to kind of understand him. I'm sure he just bit the bullet.

And he did not like that. He did not like being asked this question. So he kind of bristled and was like, don't ask me questions. I'm like, we're on a dating podcast to talk about our views on dating. Yeah. So sensitive. That's what you should have said. You're acting like a woman. Why are you being so sensitive?

I think the comment section said that for me. So do you regret being on the show? I don't. Did you know what you were walking into a little bit? But it got it was kind of more crazy than I thought it would be. And to be honest, when I got home, I told my husband, I'm like, I think that was maybe a waste of time. But then afterwards, hearing, getting messages from people and hearing their responses, I was like, that actually touched a lot more people than I thought it would.

And so that's what made me think, okay, and that's what I thought originally, that's why I agreed to go on, because I saw people responding to it and being affirmed in the good or learning to reject the bad, because it paints the good and the bad so clearly, and it just opens, leaves it on the table. I mean, the fact that, let's just say this, the fact that girls who do OnlyFans are willing to sit at a table for four hours and hear people talk to them about it and hear about why it's maybe not best for them and sincerely listen. Like they're sincerely listening.

I know people listening to this might be like, no, they're not, they're just on it for clicks. No, I mean, these are girls that are just trying to make their way in the world. Obviously they're doing something evil, but they have their own backgrounds, they have their own situations. But I think having that opportunity to have that conversation openly,

in front of anybody who's going to listen and they get millions of views, I think it's awesome. What bit's awesome? That people are seeing clearly, because I think the truth wins out in those conversations, people are seeing clearly, okay, evil as evil and good as good. Okay. Maybe it was I too harsh on the podcast. I think you were a little harsh. I do think you're right that it does. I think there's a tendency to objectify women.

Like even some of the things that the hosted I didn't approve of, I didn't like what he did. Um, I don't think he has to do that for the podcast. Right. So I think there's ways that they can improve it, but creating a space where conversations happen with people that are radically different. So I think there's value to that. Let me see. Let me I wish I had a set this in the beginning instead of just like shooting off with it. But that's okay. My understanding of the podcast was they're bringing these women in who don't know at all what they're talking about and making them look like idiots. That was like 10 seconds. Maybe I've watched like two or three clips. I think that's what

it looked like. I think they have done some of maybe, I've watched like two or three clips. That's what it looked like. I think they have done some of that. Which just seemed like, just real quick, that just seemed like a way to throw red meat to men who are frustrated at women in society without doing anything constructive about it. That was my take on it, which is why I said it was like a stupid point, guys.

I think it's a fair take, Matt. I think it's a fair take, and I think there has been some of that going on, but I think they're evolving it, and they're having on more thoughtful guests, and they're having on people that are more articulate, who can share, I mean, even on the pro sexual deviancy side, they're having people on, like they had on this woman

who is, she says she's a life coach and she is basically- So am I, I've just decided I'm a life coach. Highly lucrative career right there. But I don't know. No clue. But well, I've heard actually can be for some if you're Tony Robbins. But this person, she, I mean, just totally tragic and horrible, but she's promoting crazy sexual deviancy.

And yes, some people can look at it and be like, that's just ridiculous and stupid. But I know people, I actually know people who think that that is okay. That polyamory is okay. So if you, if you live in a bubble and you don't know anybody who thinks polyamory is okay, right? Then yeah, you're going to look at the podcast and be like, well, that's just insane. But I hope that the people that I know who think polyamory okay, watch the podcast and hear the conversations having, cause I think it might give them something else to think about.

So that's polyamorous. Do you watch freedom tunes? Oh, I love Seamus. Yeah, a little bit. I'm not. Yeah, I'm a bigger fan of Seamus than Freedom Tunes, but OK. I love Seamus. He's a good good.

Well, let's do one last superjet here. That was a good, good one. Well, let's do one last super chat here. Carlo Mango says, CNN, do you want Ukraine to win? Trump, I want everyone to stop dying. Best Russian response, even if you think lowly of Trump. I would say it's no, I don't know if that's a great response. I think yes, we want people to stop dying, but we also need to address who is the aggressor.

Wait, can you read that again? CNN said to Trump, do you want Ukraine to win? Trump said, I want everyone to stop dying. And this person thinks that this is the best Christian response. No, I don't think it's a great response because it would be like abortion. You would be like, but who-

Nazi Germany invades Europe. And America's response is, I just want people to stop dying. So I'm going to join forces with the strong, the apparently more aggressive party. I think it was a cowardly answer. I think I think you want to I think you want to be a little bit more. You want to be a lot more nuanced about who the aggressor is.

Even if he was pro Russia, it would have been nice to have a partisan sort of response. That seemed maybe you just didn't want to get bogged down in something he didn't know much about. I think he's appealing to the anti Zelensky because people perceive Zelensky as being a globalist, which he kind of I think is at least he needs to be right now to try to get support for his country because he's being invaded and he's smaller than Russia and has less military support less military power and so I think that's like and I'm

tuning out I'm reading questions I'm trying to listen to you I apologize if I seem distracted it's only because I'm trying to do things at once do you want to do the what we talked about before? We can keep talking about the Zalinsky, but we go to local. Not my typical. No, I won't. We'll just do one more question because you've been so gracious. And I know that you're probably tired because you've given two commencement speeches today. The show.

Yeah, we're all done. Thanks. This has been great, Lila. No more Zalinsky. Gina says you just talked about how since Roe versus Wade, some states have amended their constitutions to Orotecht, protect, okay, that was a typo, good. Protect abortion. Right now there is a massive signature campaign for a proposed amendment to Ohio's constitution

that will do the same. I found out just a few hours ago from my friend who is very active in Ohio right to life that Girl Scouts are helping collect the signatures. Thoughts. So gross, so gross. Just gotta fight. I mean. You sound like Trump now.

You know what? I just want people to stop dying. Well, listen, there's a lot of practical things you do, right? So you activate your base, you get the parishes involved, you get everyone involved to make sure that there's people, first of all, working to prevent that from going to the ballot.

And then if it goes to the ballot, you're working to vote it down. So, I mean, it is kind of politics is not like, it doesn't take a super high IQ to know like the next step in terms of like, you just have to get activated, but it's very laborious work is unfortunate. And it just, it's very annoying that these states are having all these pro-abortion people coming up

and doing these ballot initiatives because they have more money typically. They have all of this, you know, Planned Parenthood is this $1.4 billion corporation and they have all this support of the Democratic Party and the pro-life side is usually outspent, like one to 30, one to 40. So it is hard.

I'm not trying to discount that it's hard. That's why I'm just like, get in there and just give it your all and try to rally as much support as you can. And get involved with live action. You tell me what you think. I reckon we should finish with a decade of the rosary. Okay. Cause it's the feast of our lady of Fatima today.

What a special thing. Yeah. So we should typically do that on your show. Okay. But don't you think it'd be beautiful? Do you have another rosary for me? I just love Mary so much. Yeah, she's whenever people. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That could have actually seriously injured Lila. But it was a great throw. I think it's made of metal. It's a great rosary.

Where did you get that rosary from? I got it. I got it at Seek in 2017. If I. Is it heavy? Yeah, it's weighted. Hold on. I think it's called. I like a nice weighted rosary. It helps with my anxiety. Yeah, it's weighted. Hold on. I think it's called like a night. And I said Rosary helps with my anxiety. No, it doesn't.

Oh, you have anxiety. I'm just thinking of weighted blankets. Don't we use them for anxiety? I don't know what that is. Oh, that's awesome. It's like, I don't know what narcissism is. You've never experienced words. I don't know what they mean.

You've never felt anxious. Do you explain to me what that is? And I'll tell you if I have or not. What? The Bishop Sheen Rosary. So I almost never felt anxious until I had children. What is anxious? What does that mean? I preoccupation with fears like afraid of being afraid or.

Yeah, I would say a preoccupation with fears that you that are kind of interfering with what you're doing. And is it like, so is it one way to can you be anxious and be justified in your anxiety or does it usually usually people talk about anxiety? They talk about. Well, there's clinical anxiety, right? Which there's an episode of my podcast. OK, what's that called? I have a podcast, a conversation with Dr.

Erin Cariotti, overcoming anxiety. So OK, so so anxiety. So you just feel afraid. Why don't there's overcoming anxiety. So, OK, so so anxiety. So you just feel afraid. Why don't they just call it fear? Well, there's clinical anxiety, which you like you can get actual mental health treatment for, and then there's like general anxieties you may feel. This is going to be a clip where you like Matt tries to understand what anxiety means. But have you never felt you?

You don't get nervous often, huh? It's not you're in your nature. But because it wasn't in mine until I had kids. Do I get nervous? There's times I get nervous for sure. Oh, really? But is that what anxiety is? Nervousness and experience of nervousness can be called an experience of anxiety.

Yes, I think so. Yeah, you feel anxious about you. I think anxiety can be a synonym. Anxiety can be a synonym for nervous, for sure, because it seems like you listen. You watch movies from like 40 years ago or something. They would talk about their nerves are shot, you know, it's called anxiety. But people don't say that today. They use a different word. Um, they say that's interesting.

They say anxiety today. They don't say their nerves are shot. You didn't have to make fun of me. Um, fear, though, is fear the same thing as anxiety? It can be another synonym. Thomas Aquinas talks about anxiety. Oh, okay. Crap. Fear though, is fear the same thing as anxiety? It can be another synonym for anxiety. Thomas Aquinas talks about anxiety. I should do a whole thing on that.

That's interesting. He does address anxiety. What does he say? And I think he talks about it. Should have done that on my podcast. I think it feels like, you have a podcast? My own podcast. I think he says it's like being confined.

It's this experience of feeling confined and like suffocating. Fear or anxiety? Anx anxiety, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, interesting. Look that up. Yeah, they can all be. I mean, they all have their technical different definitions and

then they mean different things in the medical setting to that which weighs. I muted myself again. That which weighs on the mind. Stop. I had I don't know. Did you experience any anxiety after Covid?

I love that you want to keep talking. I love talking to you and I want to keep going. But I also don't want to just like that, which I think I got it. I got it. What did you do? I experienced nervousness after Covid. So you said or anxiety during Covid? No. And afterwards, no, because you didn't really follow any Covid. Right. Never. Yeah.

No. And here in student, you're a spade. When I moved here, people were, you know didn't really follow any COVID rights. Never. Yeah. And here in Steubenville, when I moved here, people were not really caring about the mask thing. OK, here's what I think anxiety might mean. I found it. It was just an ad for Dr. Han. That which weighs on the mind so as to make escape seem impossible. Boom.

That's good. That's Thomas Aquinas. Wow, the doctor. Someone should name a podcast over him. He. That's good. That's Thomas Aquinas. Wow. The doctor. Someone should name a podcast over him. He's a real doctor. We got a $50 chat. Oh, we got a $50 chat. A real doctor of Christian ethics.

Is it funny that when people send us super chats, I'm like, okay, come on, what is it? This guy gave me $50 and I respond like that. I'd like to apologize. I'm just texting Victoria what time we need to leave. But it's 5.30. Victoria, you just met her. Hey, Victoria. You're texting. Why do you just ask her? She's right there. She's a person for goodness sake. 530 Victoria. You just met her. Hey Victoria You're texting why you just ask her she's right there. She's a person for goodness sake

What's the 50 super chat? Thank you for all you do Lila You changed my mind 180 on abortion my mom was an abortionist and I was radically star version if you change my mind You can change anyone Years later. I am now Catholic and married to a pro-life activist. I'm gonna make me cry. That's the best. There's nothing you've ever received that's better than that. Can you think of anything?

Well, just like I didn't have an abortion and my baby is alive, but that's still really, really good. No, I'm sorry. We're keeping them home. No. No, thank you for sharing that. Can I talk to them? Yes, talk to the person. Thank you so much for sharing that. It made talk to them? Yes, talk to the person.

Thank you so much for sharing that. It made my day. So that's awesome. Wow. That's glory to God. It's almost worth enduring this podcast. Glory to God. Yeah.

No, it's good. I was interested in what you were gonna say about COVID, but we can wrap up. So here's what I think. When I go to an airport, I feel a low level anxiety of like, do I have my ticket, do I have my passport? Is it that? Is that what anxiety is?

We just kind of like you feel somehow constricted and not free. Is that what that means? I mean, if it's ongoing, I think so. So no, I don't think I've felt anxiety. All right. Let's do a decade of the rosary. What are we going to do? Let's do the because I've already done the joyful. I want to start the sorrowful. So let's do the first sorrowful mystery is the agony of Christ in the garden. Oh, let me offer it up and you offer up for whatever you want to. I just offer this rosary up for everybody who's watching, who's had an abortion or those who have encouraged someone to have an abortion.

We pray for your healing. Let me pray for the salvation of your child. Are those that have been hurt by abortion So yeah first sorrowful mystery is the agony of Christ in the garden our father who art in heaven Hallowed be thy name like kingdom come they will be done on earth as it is in heaven Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women, and blessed

is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of our death. Amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is

with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. May our glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit

as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen. Oh, my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those most need of your mercy. I mean, in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, I mean. So before before we wrap up, you have a podcast. What's that called exactly? The Lila Rose podcast. Nice. All right.

Cool. It's on YouTube. It looks great, by the way. It really does. You've got a terrific job. Are you joking with me? No, I'm not at all. I wouldn't do that. I mean, I remember you had a podcast a while ago and it seemed a lot lower budget,

but it seems really nice. It's still a low budget operation at this time. I'm open to changing my mind. I think you're thinking of live action exclusives. Okay, I'm gonna check and I'm gonna tell you. That's fancy. So I'm doing two things and there's the Lila Rose podcast and then there's live action.

Lila Rose podcast. Here we go. You're gonna look at it and be like, how's that? Lila Rose, is this you? Is this it? That looks amazing! You got them Joe Rogan curtains going on. You've got the Joe Rogan curtains. Let's see. And you've got little intro at the start like that to get people hooked. Thanks Matt. Intro at the start like that to get people. Building me up. Thanks, Matt. It's beautiful. I'm the high head.

So this is the point of the interview where I don't care if they stay or not. OK, OK. That's that thing where this is not about them anymore. This is just about probably not. Unfortunately, we're going to have to keep. Thank you for your super chat. I love the super chat. This looks terrific. OK, thanks, Matt. Yeah, I'm new to YouTube. I'm very new.

I'm a baby YouTuber. I also think it's important that. Wow. see, that's amazing. You have 2000 subscribers. This has 12,000 views. You have 2.62 thousand subscribers. It's a baby channel. How many subscribers do you have, Matt? 344 thousand. Thursday counts, everyone. Good job, Thursday. I work hard to earn every single want of them. Good job. Subscribers don't mean as much.

Where can I find a Thursday? No, I've got a great guy helping me with it. Yeah. What are you gonna say? What did you say? If you take him from me, you're both dead to me. I know, no, it's okay. Matt, I'm never gonna leave you.

That's creepy, please take him. That's coming out. Um, I think it's important that you grow with your audience, that your audience gets to grow with you. That's what I'm feeling actually, cause my brother's like, why don't you ever like tweet about your podcast? And I did what after he said that a couple of days ago.

But it's like, well, I'm still like finding my footing with YouTube being so. But what I mean is, you know, as you grow and you bring in more resource money, you can then get better equipment and like a lot. Don't I don't like I don't think people need to worry about starting off with a very beautiful podcast, start with whatever you have. Bring people because honestly, I think what's more important than anything is you've got good content. It really is. I really let's use another word vulnerability.

Yeah. As soon as you stop saying what you mean and being honest, you're boring. This is why CNN and Fox News anchors and whatever, I'm sure there's better and worse ones, but there's no vulnerability. We want people to be honest. And it's also so sound bitey. So it's hard to kind of have like really interesting conversations too. Is the other problem with it. But yeah, well done.

Looks terrific. All right. So if you get up to what are you going to give me if we can just promote you? All right. All right. So you got 2.62. We're going to refresh. If we get up to you pick the number and I'll tell you what I'll do for you.

All right. If we get if we get Lila, five thousand subscribers, I will come on your podcast by tomorrow. It's never going to happen. I will sign that book for you. Very good. Well, we're going on your podcast. By tomorrow. It's never going to happen. I will sign that book for you. Very good. Well, we're coming on your podcast soon. Me and my bride. Yes. I think I'm going to have you on both. I'm going to have you on live action exclusives and I'm going to have you on the podcast. Yeah. So we talk about pro life stuff on live action. Cameron would have such a good chat on the podcast. We're going to talk about fun stuff. Nice.

Do you know, Cammy much? I don't think I've met you and her. So I'm excited to meet you. You have a Joan of Arc. This woman. My wife is very cleric. Nice. What are you saying? I am. I am melancholic, cleric. But I remember my wife said something to me once and I'm like, oh, that's the kind of person you are. She said this to me. She said, you know, when you walk into a room and you size up who's in charge

and if no one is in charge or whoever's in charge is incompetent, you take over. I'm like, no, that's not a experience I usually have. And it shocked her because that's what she does. That's what she does. She's such a good. It's so nice to have someone like that in your life, though. And she's just but she's also super humble. I've never met anybody who's just like we can take care of this, but also totally willing to be rebuked if she's also super humble. I've never met anybody who's just like, we can take care of this, but is also totally willing to be rebuked if she's wrong. If she's rebuked by someone she believes to be inferior, she won't receive it well.

But if someone is competent, she'll be like, yeah, let's. That's like my husband. He's highly, highly competent and like just excellent at everything he does. But he is always always gonna try harder. What do you hate most about your husband? I'm sorry, that's just a, I just thought what's the most awkward question. That he's so amazing. He is so good, I love him. Alright Lila, you're lovely. Thank you for being on the show. That's great.