Pints With Aquinas - Rating Viral TikTok Dating Advice | Isabel Brown | Last Call Ep. 17

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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If we make plans for like a Thursday, and we've solidified these plans on a Sunday, and I haven't heard from you all week, I am no longer going on that date. I have already made other plans. Okay, I want to get your take off. First. I just...

Watching women complain about men, I'm like, you're not as good as you think you are. You should go on that date woman is what I want to say, but that's a bit rude. Okay. Let's see. Isabel Brown. What's up? In the new studio with you. I've come in here to gander a little bit here and there, but we haven't filmed anything in here yet together.

What did you say when you walked in? It smells like... It smells like church and wood and important thoughts. Good. Yeah, I love this so much. So my producer, Maria, decided to choose... seven TikToks, which give dating advice for you and I to respond to. I haven't seen these. I'm afraid I'll have nothing of important to say, but we can talk about it. I mean,

you're married with the beautiful family. I think you'll have a lot of important things to say. I mean, I just don't always like to date these days. That's fair. Have we had this conversation where I kept giving dating advice until everyone started rolling their eyes. I'm like, oh, I'm old. That's what happened. Well, that's all right. I'm getting up there too. You know, the kids on college campuses have started calling me a geriatric gen Zier because my birth year starts with 19. And they're all making these sad TikTok edits where if you say your birthday starts with 19, they put you with like the dinosaurs or in a graveyard. It's pretty sad. I didn't think geriatric would be a term applied to me before I was 29. But here we are. It's fine.

Do they say it as a joke? Yeah, kind of. But I don't know. I keep seeing other videos fed to me where they're asking like middle schoolers right now, hey, what is considered old? And they all say if your birthdays before 2000, you are old. So it's okay. It's not just you. I'm old. I'm feeling that way. I think I'm better than you because I've been here longer. That's how I don't know. Yeah, well, maybe not. All right. So I cannot tell you how much I don't want to watch this. I'm just not, but let's do it. That makes me want to watch them even more. So I want all the things that I have always wanted in, that we have always wanted in traditional relationships, companionship, economic support, family life, social status.

But I want you to also be my best friend, my trusted confidante, my intellectual equal, my efficient co-parent, my fitness body, my professional coach, and my personal development guru. And on top of all of that, I want you to be my passionate lover to boot. Right. This is an overburdened system with an under-resourced reality since the traditional support systems are not in place. And this is one of the challenges of modern. love. People always say, so after this long lists, are we asking for too much? I say, no, we're not. I think it's

beautiful what we are asking for, but we shouldn't ask it from one person. Oh, what? What? You had me the whole time? No, no, no, no, but no, I don't think she means I think what she means is you want a fitness guru, go hire a fitness coach, I mean, if that's

Are you sure? Yeah, she's not talking about having sex. Someone in control might have to check the comments because I'm not sure of that. First of all, she's beautiful and I love her accent. I do too. It's beautiful. So that's what I want to say about that. No, I don't, well, yeah, maybe. Maybe you're right. That's what struck me at the end there is maybe you're doing too much. But that is what you should be asking of your spouse is to be your partner in all the things in life, right? I don't know about all the things. Like, I don't need her to play cards with me. I don't need her, not that I play cards, but I don't

need her to be my fitness coach or my fitness buddy. I don't need her to be my drinking buddy. I don't need her to be my, I don't need her to be my primary confidant. Really? All right, so let's talk about this. Here's, I once heard somebody saying, okay, maybe you don't need her, but do you want her to be all of those things? No. Interesting. Of course not. What do I want to bring my wife to the gym with me? What do I want that? I love working out with my husband. No, I wouldn't like that. Interesting. Here's what I was say, I remember seeing a video once that said you shouldn't be your wife's best friend and I clicked it so I could hate it so much. And you actually ended up like, okay, I see the point, right? And here's the point that we shouldn't unnecessarily

burden our wife. Not that we should withhold things from her, but that as the head of the household, you ought to be kind of like a pyramid upside down, like carrying the weight of the family, and not to infantilize our wives. I don't mean that, and I don't think that. But I mean, in a way that you wouldn't, like, as your kids get older, you wouldn't tell them about your money, worries and things like this, right? That would seem inappropriate because you're there as their parent to kind of protect and provide for them. I think there's something similar with your wife where it's like if I'm dealing with a bunch of stuff and I'm always going to her and unloading on her, it's like that's why you have male friends. You could go to a buddy

and talk about how to be a better man, how to be a better husband, you know, how not to fall into sexual temptation and things like this. And so that I understand a little bit more than I used to. I think the takeaway I took from what she was saying in that laundry list of stuff is that we have essentially boiled down romantic relationships to sexual transaction and none of the other things. So, of course, I want to experience a depth of an emotional, committed relationship with you that is not offered in the way she kept saying modern love, the way that modern love allows for that to do, including help me build my business, if that's something I want to entrust you with. Let's talk about money, which is uncomfortable to talk about, but we should talk about that because we're building something

for our family to provide for. We're taking care of our bodies and being intentional that way and working out together. That's the takeaway that I took, but I actually totally see your point that I think it often is equally as tempting, if not more so, for married spouses to almost create a God figure of their spouse and expect not God, but your spouse to fulfill all of your needs instead of taking those things directly to God. And that's totally an unfair burden. That's probably... Hey, Maria, can I get, I want to get like a referee thing here. Was she talking about having like multiple relationships? Do we know from the comments? Sexual relationships? Or do you think she was talking about having, yeah, what do you think, were you?

The burden? Okay, that's also, that's fair. And I do think there's a generation, so that we just heard from control, the community would have taken on a lot of those roles versus the significant other. And I actually do think that's true. Yes, that's interesting. And in modern times with our self-isolation that we're experiencing as a generation right now. I'm having a massive epiphany.

That's so true. Culture's dead. We don't have traditional communities. We're also isolated. And then you find one person. and you're like, be all of these things for me. Plus my religion, because we don't even have that. Right.

Like, I'll just give everything to you. Okay, so I've been told by Maria to ask toxic or not. Not toxic, not toxic. Not just not toxic. Different takeaway that I was expecting. But like a great point. I really like that. I love that too.

Wholesome women, we love that. Thanks, Maria. All right, another Sheila here. What's she got to say? Okay, I have a dating role. If we make plans for like a Thursday, and we solidified these plans on a Sunday, and I haven't heard from you all week.

I am no longer going on that date. I have already made other plans. I think it is so rude, it's so easy the night before even, to just be like, hey, looking forward to tomorrow, here's where we're going, here's the place, here's the time. If you haven't solidified a time and a place, that is on a date, that is a pen pal, that's an acquaintance, and I will not be going on that date. Okay, I want to get your take on this first. I just watching women complain about men, I'm like, you're not as good as you think you are.

You should go on that date woman, is what I want to say. say, but that's a bit rude. Okay, let's see. She seemed to contradict herself. She said, if we're going on a date on Thursday, which we say organize on Sunday, and that I don't hear from me all week, that I'm not going on the date. But then she said, if I don't hear from you the night before, saying the time and the place. I'm not going. So which is it? Like, am I allowed to text the night before? That seems like that's what she's, that's okay. Yeah, that's fair. That's interesting, too, which would also be rude if you ask me. But, yeah. Okay, I think That bigger conversation is about communication, because I hear this a lot from young women right now that guys just don't put in the bare minimum effort to communicate at all their intentions, their plans, their whatever.

And then a week will go by and you haven't heard from someone. And it's like, oh, yeah, you exist. Hey, you up, question mark. And that's the extent of modern romance. Okay. So what do you think about that with young men today? No, I mean, I don't see, I live in a different universe. It's like we all went to Mars and everything is different.

and you're asking me how I did it when we were on Earth in the 90s. And I'm like, we didn't have phones in the 90s. Well, as a Martian, tell me what it was like on her. No, but, okay, but if I think right now, it would be weird if you said, especially if it was the first date. Yeah, for sure. But then if it was like the fourth date, at that point, you know each other enough that it would seem weird to have no contact for four days.

So I guess I agree with her. I do too. Yeah, I just sense the kind of self-entitlement thing that just makes me want to not like her. But I'm sorry, I'm sure she's a... How should young men communicate their intentions that way? I know it's different. Yeah, no, I think it would be appropriate to say, hey, so looking forward to going on a date with you this Thursday. I've got some, I mean, you might want to keep it private.

You might be a surprise, and so you might want to say that. Really excited. I got some things planned, and I want to tell you about it. I'm looking forward to surprising you. You might say, we're going to go here real pumped. No, that's clearly appropriate. Okay, good. Yeah, and it would be weird if you didn't communicate for several days until the day of.

You'd be shocked. I hear that. Really? Okay, see, I'm an alien. I don't know. Then I apologize to this woman. Or just ghosting forever and you never hear from her. And in that case, I could take the other position and say good for her for having standards.

Yeah, I imagine she's probably a little jaded by some of her own dating experiences, which is hard to follow her for. Maybe his mom died. That too. Have grace for people. Why didn't you reach out to me? Toxic or not? I don't think toxic. I don't know when you should keep seeing the guy.

Should you go on a second day with him? Should you go on a third day with him? Here's a very simple way to think about it. It's AKS, okay? Attraction, kiss, sleep. And I'm going to describe it. You don't go on date number one unless you are attracted to this guy, a.k.A. also, you find him interesting.

Maybe it's what he does. Maybe he's funny. Maybe it's partial. But maybe. I just want you to know that I don't like him. Yeah, no, immediately. I don't like him at all. That's all I wanted to say.

Keep going. Number two is after the first date. Did you want to kiss this man after the first date? Did you have an urge to say, I want to kiss him? Yeah, no, we get it. If you didn't want to kiss him, that's something to be noted, honestly. You should want to kiss him after that date. I didn't say to kiss him.

I said you should desire the kiss. After the second date, if you cannot envision yourself sleeping with this dude, cut it off because you're wasting your time. I know you like the attention, kind of boyfriend-ish, whatever, but you're also wasting his time and his moula, his mouche. Okay. I'm going to let you speak to the moment. majority of this. Most of what's making me get, ugh, is his personality and how he presents himself.

He just seems like... The sunglasses in the dark say everything to me about the image of this guy. And it also sounds like he's taking a long time to say something obvious. Namely, you should date someone only if you're attracted to them and if you're not attracted to them, then don't date them. That sounds pretty... I actually even think that, though, is kind of a stretch beyond what it really should be. And maybe this is a really hot take, because of course it is important for you to be physically attracted to the person that you spend your life with. That's a huge, very important component of marriage that often gets really swept under the rug. We just did a fascinating interview with the founder of Evie magazine because they're putting out a sex issue of their magazine

for married women because so few people are talking about the importance of intimacy within marriage right now. And this is a huge problem impacting young marriages. So intimacy is hugely important and being attracted to your spouse is very important. But I often think that the way we present physical attraction and intimacy is so animalistic and fails to account for the fact that that's something that you can grow into with the person that you are in love with. I mean, intimacy gets better with time. You've been married a lot longer than me. I'll be celebrating my second wedding anniversary this summer. But communication is everything surrounding that, right? It's not an instantaneous am I wildly attracted to this person or not. That ebbs and flows over time, and it's something

that you grow into as you fall deeper in love with each other. By the third date, theoretically, you've seen this person in person three times. If that's... the decision that you're making for the rest of your life, whether or not that's the person you want to commit to? That just seems really shallow to me. Yeah, so I like some of his advice, but the idea that unless you want to sleep with the person after the third date, you should break it up. That sounds like a perverted man not realizing that not everybody is as perverted as him. Now, I'm not accusing him of being perverted because I don't know him, but it sounds like a perverted take that after a third date, I should have an urge to sleep with this woman.

Well, that's even worse, though. He's doing this video for women. Like that, the, the intended audience was for women, and women think about eight million other things beyond just sex. When it comes to falling in love with somebody, you're thinking about their personality, the jokes that they told, what their relationship with their friends and family are like, what their job is. Men have a much different worldview on all of this. So the fact that the intended audience is women is also very strange to me. Toxic, for sure. So we have tried a lot of coffee over the years, but our sponsor, Seven Weeks Coffee, is the one that my wife and I keep returning to. It's often packed in just above our,

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pints so they know I sent you. Men want to have sex with you, okay? They want to have sex with you. But there's a difference between how a man goes about that process that could show you who's true intentions. Welcome to the Daddy Academy. It's going to sound very obvious, but for some people, it's not obvious, okay? If we go on a date, right, we go on a first date, and I'm like, wow, this woman is

unbelievable, she's girlfriend material, she's wifey material, she's got all the things. I am not going to push for sex, okay? And as a man, you shouldn't really do that anyway. as a man you create a romantic atmosphere where you know romance can happen and comfort can be built and over time as you develop the relationship intimacy happens where it naturally happens and that's on you as the woman to kind of like show you ready for that and then you move to that phase right men who are pushing for sex for a second date like they're pushing for it like they're trying to get you to come over they're asking you to go you know he's trying to get over to your place he is not

worried about losing you, okay? Because if I met you, like I said, on the first date, and I'm like, wow, this woman's amazing, classy, all of the stuff, I don't want to risk insulting you. So if he's not afraid of that reality, then he doesn't really care. A guy should not be needy for sex. That's one of like the weirdest things ever. Like, you need sex that bad, my guy, you need it that bad. Tell me you never have sex without tough. But like, that is so important. Am I saying that you can ever sleep with somebody like that? on the first or second date and it doesn't work out. Like, no, it can work out.

Like, sure. If you were to, it's not the end of the world. But generally speaking, there's a correlation between how a man acts within the first three dates. But it comes to that versus, you know, the opposite where he's not pushy for it. A lot of men say to themselves because they're thinking transactionally, if I can't sleep with her by three dates, I'll probably just move on. So when it comes to waiting and holding out, you want to hold out past that. I always say whatever date you might want to have sex with them, like wait, like one or two more. And if you do that, you're going to weed out a lot of guys who just have the wrong intentions.

And even like the wrong intentions, just guys who just are kind of like weak-minded, lustful, weak-minded guys. Because like I said, even the guys who want to marry you, they still want to have sex with you. They are just going to go about it in a totally different way than men who are after just casual. I do not enjoy watching men talk to me like this. So this is clearly I'm that women. Okay, but like, he kind of has like half a point there, right? He did lose me on the, if this is in the first or second date situation or the fact that you should be doing this in a dating relationship. No, you just proved your own point, actually, because the right type of guy that's worth marrying and that actually wants to marry you, the most attractive thing that they could ever say to a woman is, I respect you enough to wait until we are married.

That means everything. And when my husband told me that when we first started dating, I was like, wow, you are so fundamentally different from every guy I've ever dated. This is amazing. And it does set apart these weak-minded, more lustful-oriented people who are living in a secular world of sin versus people who have all of the right intentions. So that's where he lost me. But I don't disagree with the idea that I think men are hardwired fundamentally differently than women. And it's way more attractive as a woman when it's not this constant push of, we have to do this, we have to do this. And it's more of a fun, romantic setting.

Yeah. So I would say his point about there's, and I didn't realize this, my producer, Maria told me this the other day that there is this expectation on the third day to fornicate. Oh yeah. Is that not an Australian thing? That's like maybe a US thing. I'm 72 years old. I don't know if it was like that when I was dating.

That's how it was always talked about in movies and TV shows when I was growing up. So I was unaware of this until 5 p.m. yesterday. So if his point is, well, since that's the date, you hold out to see what he's really like. Okay, fair enough, I can get behind that. But it still seems sort of pragmatic. His point was, don't beg her for sex because then you would have. offend her and then not maybe get what you want. And if that's what he was saying, I don't like that. Yeah, it's more like self-serving and narcissistic. One of these are hard, right? Toxic or not?

What do you think? Half-toxic. Half-toxic adjacent. Toxic. Very good. Oh, I already know this is going to be toxic. New dating. Hack, unlocked. All right, let's go. Normalize saying what you think about the date while you're still on the date. Women, mid-date, do one thing. Look at the guy. How do you think this is going? Hmm, I like that. Don't matter whether or not it's going great. I like that.

Don't matter whether or not it's going to play. Oh, I'm so grumpy. Mid-date, look at them. You guys are having fun. How do you think this is going? Just make him think about how he's behaving. Oh, that's good. In the date.

Make him think about it. Oh, I'm obsessed. I think it's going great. You think so? Do you think so? I hate everyone. There's like music. And if I were our blessed Lord, I wouldn't have saved us.

I would have sent another flood. And when I was just joking, you all deserve to die. Maria, is that Liz Plank? Oh, there you go. It is that girl. There's Liz Plank. She's like a huge feminist influencer. She's insufferable on the internet.

She was supposed to do a debate with Allie Beth. Stucky. I just did a debate with Harry Sisson for the CBS debate series. And she pulled out, Liz did. She didn't want to debate Allie Beth. So there you go. That's smart. But, yeah, that's a weird take, honestly.

I mean, you're going to just tell the guy, yeah, I'm not attracted to you. I hate you. I hate this experience. still pay for my dinner came by. Like, that's so weird. I wonder, though, if this was said by someone who was less annoying, imagine a different TikTok where someone said, you know, here's an idea. Like, if you go on a day with a guy or a lady, maybe, you know, in the middle of it, you'd be like, hey, how do you think this is going? Like, do, like, that doesn't bother you as much. Yeah, I guess that's fine. You could do that or not do that. It's just the way it was communicated.

I think there's a better opposite way to apply this maybe that's not so negative focused. I've heard a lot of people talk about how on first dates they're extremely intentional with the person sitting across the table from them saying like this is what I'm wanting out of my life and no pressure on you but like this is what I'm looking for generally speaking I want to get married I want to have kids I want to do all these things I don't want to waste your time about it so after we go our separate ways tonight I don't I don't like that interesting first date way too much you think yeah I just want to get a coffee with you I don't want to know everything I don't have an opinion on it I don't want someone telling me they don't want to waste my time what the hell is way too much pressure interesting no but just

factual, don't you think? I don't know, because honestly, dating is just so bizarre right now. I'm not dating, thank God. Thanks be to God that I'm with my husband and I don't have to think about any of these things. It's like everyone is like gripping the bat way too tight. Yeah, but honestly. It's just freaking out. Our entire culture being so vehemently opposed to marriage and family, I do feel like that's

kind of an important distinction up front that like, this is generally what I'm looking for in my life. I think there are some cues that you would already have about the fella that should indicate whether or not he's aligned with your mission without you having to spell it out on the first date. Interesting. Like if he's a Christian, if he prays, if he dresses nicely, if he's kind to you, makes eye contact, if he makes you feel comfortable, if he's from an intact family. I don't know, there's some cues like that. We're like, okay, I don't have to like dump this on him right now. I have generally been in the camp of let a first date be a first date and be fun. But there are a lot

of young people who are so like, I know I need to communicate what I'm looking for out of my life right now, which sounds kind of like this, like the immediate feedback concept. So toxic or not? Kind of. I want to say toxic just because I don't like those people. She's toxic. Should a man pay on the first date? 100%.

What kind of a worst beta male is splitting the check? Do you agree with me? Listen, with Macy, I pay for the check. I'm just sorry. I would go into debt and grubbed dishes before a woman paid for a reason. I split the check quite a lot. So I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend you.

That's incomprehensible to me. To me, I thought it was a great financial decision. Okay, so from your prism, I totally get them. that, I would be so humiliated. I'm more... I didn't know that. I find that to be like the greatest beta male, like, humiliation. To save money?

No, no, to, like, the idea is that a woman that you're trying to court... As a first date, you don't even know if she's, like, the quality is worth... I'm sorry. I was... By the way, that money you save is not worth the honor that you compromise. It's such a big deal. It's a massive deal. I miss Charlie.

The world needs more Charlie. Wow, what a great answer. The other guy's toxic. That's a great answer. He has all kinds of great dating and marriage advice. I keep seeing these clips pop up regularly. And I love how... Mostly about family and marriage.

I love how direct he was about it. But he's very direct with young men about this. Like, man up. He has a great segment that I keep seeing pop up from a speech that he gave at one of the student conferences. And I don't remember him saying this in real time because it was while I was working there. But about how young men need to just man up and take ownership over their families and don't spend a single dime on video games or entertainment or concerts until you've made sure that your family is completely taking care of. And that's hard and really countercultural.

But that's what it means to be a provider and to be a man. Oh, chills every time. I've seen it like 300 times in the last two weeks. But I love this one. This is good. This other guy, what's you doing? I don't know. You're saying, to save money, that's bad?

Or you don't even know if she's worth it. I'm like, just pay the other half of the meal. What do you mean? I think it's all coming from this alpha male, like, podcaster bro thing because that really is the message is given to young men right now. What? Is financial security is everything to your status as an elite alpha man? But what's the other half of the bill going to cost you?

30 bucks? Yeah, not much for a dinner. That's ridiculous. That's actually crazy to me that you can't spring for a dinner. I mean, you're paying for your own dinner. Clearly, you can afford dinner. You're fine. Yeah, I've never.

Or go somewhere cheaper, honestly. If that's really a concern, go somewhere more affordable. A girl's not going to care if you go get coffee or burgers. I'll say this, and maybe this is a little so. I remember when I took Cameron out for one of our first dates. I bought dinner. And it wasn't as easy for me to do it then as it is now. I guess that's the other thing to keep in consideration.

Like, if someone's in college and they actually don't have much money right now, then it is really nice if they buy you dinner. So I think the man should definitely buy the dinner and the woman should definitely be grateful. Yes, gratitude is everything. Gratitude is everything. Or make dinner at home, honestly. Come on. Like, girls are not immune to the romance of this is a sacrifice for me to do.

something really romantic for you, whether that's spending more than you think you can afford on a dinner, or make a beautiful dinner at home. It's infinitely cheaper. Go get the ingredients in the grocery store. You could do fun. You could like make dinner at home and then go out for dessert, which is cheaper. Come on. No notes. Brothers, as summer begins, life slows down just enough to ask a deeper question. Am I living as the man God created me to be? Our sponsor, Exodus 90, is inviting you into something different this season an encounter with the father who calls you his beloved son. The Kings of Summer Challenge is a chance to step away from the noise to pray and to rediscover

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grounded, offering advice. Like, you just have to let things flow. Yeah, just let things flow. I was forcing conversations last month, okay? But now that it worked out for me, I'm going to act like it was always part of a bigger plan, you know. I'll be nodding slowly, giving speeches about timing and alignment. As if I wasn't just confused a few weeks ago. I'll be posting quotes, giving advice nobody asked for. Meanwhile, my friends are going to be looking at me like, weren't you just struggling the other day?

Yeah, but that version of me no longer exists. So, yeah, the second things go right for me, I will become very inspirational. know. Love everything about that. It's giving to me when young Christian influencer couples get married and like two days later they have a podcast and in their podcast that they film from their living room, they're like, guys, marriage is so hard. It's the hardest thing I've ever done, but it's so beautiful. Everyone's like, have you been married for like 48 hours? Like, what could possibly have been so hard about your marriage? That's so funny. People do that. Oh,

all the time. That is like hallmark characteristic of, American Christian influencer couple right now is like two seconds later they have a podcast and their entire podcast is talking about how hard their marriage is Because they want to be real. Yeah, it's like the often but it's not real. No, none of it's the problem. That's the problem. If it were real, then it would be interesting. Also, if your marriage is that hard like two days in, maybe we should have discerned who we were marrying a little bit earlier, but oh my gosh, it's a great running joke on the social media. Now did you ever go through a period where you thought I might not get married or like were you nervous in the way that some women are nervous because they're not going on dates? Yeah, I think I was kind of like the opposite problem of the going on dates thing. I was always like too committed to the guy that I was dating and like so all in on my relationship to them and they were never as into me. But we would date for like two or three years and I had totally committed everything in my life to this person. And then eventually I realized the whole I can fix him thing doesn't work. Only God can fix the guy. And I have to let him go and go find my spouse. And that happened a couple of times over in my early 20s, which was really hard. And eventually I broke up with the last guy that I was dating and wished him well and sent him on his way, but like it was so obvious he was not going to be my husband. He just wouldn't commit to me in that way. And I remember crying on my childhood bedroom floor at my parents' house just praying to God, I'm done dating. Clearly, I do a really bad job of it. I'm going to go focus on all the other incredible

things that you've put in my life right now. So you bring my husband to me when the time is right, but the one thing I ask, if I can ask anything, please, please, please, just make it really obvious that that's going to be my husband, because I'm done doing this whole, like, are you, are you Are you out? I don't know. What are our plans for life? I don't know. Thing with so many young men. And I expected that to take years and years. Three and a half weeks later, I met my husband and I just knew and he just knew. And so I don't think I really ever had any anxiety. Did you become immediately inspirational like this fellow? No, not at all. But it is kind of funny about it. It'll just find you. Just take your time. God will work in mysterious ways. It happens when you're least expecting it. It's cliche because it is kind of true, actually. But I don't think I ever had any anxiety about marrying Brock. I just knew that I was. going to work out. We have to have another discussion where you and Brock and me and my wife Cameron sit down and talk about what was like dating then versus now. I don't know who that

will benefit. It won't benefit my people. My people are all kind of old and. Hope for the future maybe that it still does happen out there. There is real love and real commitment and marriage still. Anyway, no, Brock and I will be the first person. I see this with parenting too, by the way. People become parents and immediately they're parenting experts and here's all the products that we used with our baby and here's all the things. It drives me nuts because if I've learned anything in this first year of parenting, I have no idea what the heck I am doing. Every single day is a massive learning curve. Every parent with older kids, like you guys, I know I've reached out to a couple times this year. Everyone says, yeah, you kind of always feel like that and it never

goes away because then your kid is older and you've never experienced that before. I do see this with parenting. Isabel Brown, thank you for being on my show and helping me decide what was toxic and what was not. So toxic out there. I'm just kind of confused about a lot of things that I saw. Well, let's end with this then maybe. What's your best dating advice for young people today? Based on your experiences that could translate. Like for a young man? Yeah. What should a young man do? Yeah, I would say dress as well as you can. Make her feel comfortable. Like, don't worry about being attractive as much as just making her feel comfortable. That's a couple of things. next thing would be, I would say pretty quickly make your intentions known.

So we're not just hanging out because we like, but there has to be, I remember when I was a kid hearing, I was probably 13 and I heard, did you hear that Nick's going out with so and so? And I. Was that your American accent? I love that. And then I embarrassingly said, where are you going out to? Because I thought going out meant you were going out. Going somewhere, yeah.

But I get the need to have a friend. phrase like that that somehow establishes a couple, right? There's got to be something that you say. Yeah. Unless you're going to go, would you be my girlfriend? Yeah, it's like, can we, I would like to date, do you want to date? Like some, some way of, I don't know how the kids do it today. How do that phrase that? Yeah, I think people still do that. Go out. They, I think a lot of adults, young adults today call it like being exclusive. Are we exclusive? Are you seeing other people or not? And if you're not exclusive, that's a problem. I do that. And then I would just say, have fun with them. Hmm. Yeah. Like, have fun. I would echo to have fun for young women. If it's not fun, it's probably not the right thing because you should enjoy

spending your time with the person that you love and pray for the man that you are pursuing. Yeah. I'll end on this. My wife first heard to pray for her future husband in August of the year 2000. And she knows that because she served with net ministries. So she started praying for her future husband. That month, that year in Italy, I converted to Christ. Are you serious? Yeah. It's kind of cool. I just got chills from that. Yeah. So you could try that as well.

Go Cameron. Isabel Brown Show. Yes, indeed. Isabel Brown Show here on The Daily Wire, on Daily Wire Plus, and all over social media as well. But you're right. We should get the four of us together for a good episode. That'd be great. Wonderful ring you've got there, too.

Oh, thank you. You kidding me? It does indeed still happen today, ladies. Righty. All right. Bye.