Pints With Aquinas - Responding to Transgenderism With Truth and Mercy w/ Jason Evert

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

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And modesty discussions. We're live right now. Focus, focus conference. Oh, see conference. Yeah. So a girl comes up to me and and she said she was in a real toxic relationship with her boyfriend and her campus minister. I guess one of the focus missionaries gave her the soulmate book that we wrote.

And she said, yeah, I hadn't even finished the first chapter and I dumped the guy. Like, that's it. And then now she said, I've given me more than a thousand copies of the book. And she said, I do now evangelization with women leaving the sex trade industry and strippers and prostitutes in Naples. I'm like, that's amazing. She used to be buying stocks in Chastity.

Yeah, so she told me she was working with this girl who's trying to leave the stripping industry and they ended up covering the topic of modesty. And so she asked her like, do you think maybe, you know, you might have some outfits in your closet that might be immodest. And she said this to the stripper. And the stripper's like,

mm-hmm, not that I can think of. And she's like, really not? Maybe one or two? And she said, you know what? Now you mentioned it. Thongs, like I don't think people, I don't need to see your thong. Like I don't like when people wear those in public.

And the woman's like, there we go. We have common ground. So gotta start somewhere. I think it's, it was such a pornified culture right now. Yeah. What was once considered indecent. It keeps getting moved. Yeah.

Now that's Sunday mass attire. Yeah. No. Yeah. So you've been speaking about chastity for 800 years. Yeah, more or less. Yeah. Since medieval times.

You're about to give a talk here at the central, the high school here. Yeah. How I can't wait to come and listen to your talk. Yeah. Because I'm sure it's changed over the years. It has it has with with the culture. I mean, I did three of them yesterday in Louisiana, but the kids respond the same. I mean, I remember Steve Jobs who said people don't know what they want until you show it to them. You know, and so the kids will come into the assembly. Oh, you know, here we go. Stupid sex talk, you know, but

then then they realize you're not shaming them and blaming them, wagging a finger in their face. They're hungry for it, they're starving for it. I mean, people think I have like the hardest job in the world like selling teenagers chastity, but I mean, we've done it for 25 years, probably more than 3000 assemblies, and we've never had a single disrespectful audience once.

I remember once we were at a place called the Brown School. It was a school for like, it was like a correctional facility type place for kids. Like I kicked out of the public schools and were in serious disciplinary issue problems. And so I walk in, I'm setting up the podium, the notes and all that stuff, poor talk starts, and this boy walks in.

It's just him and I in there and he walks up to me, he looks at me, he's like, you're not welcome here. And he starts walking away. And then I just start laughing and he spins around. I was like, come here, come here, come here. He walks up while tough and I just I just pull out $20 I'm like, okay, here's 20 bucks. I said this is not the best sex talk you've ever heard in your life I want you to come up to me afterwards and that $20 is yours. Do we have a bet? He's like, oh, yeah He's like I'm coming back. I'm like, I'll see you, you know And so he walks up and after the talk he comes up and he gives me his big hug and he's like man

I owe you $20. And he gives me a hug. So they're just hungry. I mean, they're just made for the truth. But I mean, the idea of like his fornication, the number one thing today, whereas it may have been what you were talking about a lot. Is that really the issue today? No, I mean, the teen sexual activity rates been dropping for more than 30 years straight and people are like, ah, it's great news, you know? But like, more abstinence is not necessarily more virtue.

I mean, you've got more and more guys that aren't even dating anymore. Like, why would I have to date? I mean, I can just get on Instagram and have hundreds of thousands of disposable supermodels, and then when I'm done with them, I'm done with them. Now, it requires no commitment, no availability, she doesn't have good moods, bad moods,

she's just there when I want for what I want her for. And so a lot of the poor girls are like, what the heck? And then the girls get exposed to the pornography younger and younger, and then they declare themselves as asexual, like wow, if that's what I'm expected to do with a guy, I am an asexual being. And so it isn't that we're seeing necessarily an increase in virtue, I mean, I think the good

is getting better, but the bad is also getting worse at the same time. So I'll go to schools where they've got Eucharistic Adoration every day of the school week, Confessions three times a day, lines down the hallway for Confession. I was at one high school in Louisiana, it's about like, I don't know, like 800 kids, 600 of them were in campus ministry on the campus.

I mean, there's some beautiful things going on. But culturally, on a wider lens. I wouldn't say that necessarily things are getting more virtuous just because we're having more kids technically hang out of the virginity. So when you think of like your chest talk today as opposed to say fifteen years ago is how what I mean you spending a great deal of your time talking about gender confusion and pornography. Whereas maybe you would talk about the hookup culture more 10 years ago? Yeah, definitely more in the pornography, and definitely more pornography in terms of the women

that might be struggling with that, whereas 10 years ago, we didn't even mention that. That's not even on the radar. And it was on the radar in the sense that it was happening, but people just weren't aware of it. And so these girls were kind of in the shadows of thinking like, I'm a freak of nature. I remember, I like I remember Kelsey Scokes saying in a woman came during said, like, I don't even sin in a feminine way.

I like that the shame of thinking that lust is an exclusively male issue. And so we've brought that more into the conversation. Talk a lot more about starting over. But the big game changer has been the screens that the availability of stupidity sin is more accessible now than it ever was. And so the confusion with gender ideology, I address same sex attractions in the assembly now,

we talk outright about homosexuality and the call to chastity there and what that looks like, whereas 15, 20 years ago, I didn't even know how to address it in an assembly, because it's like, okay, we got an hour, how do I open this can of worms without raising more objections than I can answer? And so the kids that identified in the LGBT community

would come up and say, hey, you know, he talked about all that stuff, but you never mentioned us. Like, how does this apply to us? We felt invisible. And I shared with them my struggle. Like, I don't know how to bring this up in a sound bite. I mean, it deserves the full hour itself,

not five minutes of it. And so I said, well, would you pray for me that I would know what to say in my assembly? And the LGBT kids, yeah, yeah, we'll pray for you. We'll pray, thank you, please do that. And right after asking their prayers, stories started to come and the antidotes, and it just opened up and I started bringing that

into the assembly. And now we were just at a school down in Dallas and the teacher said, just so you know, there's some rumblings on campus. There could be a walkout in the middle of your presentation and a protest and the kids, you know, there's some rumblings on campus. There could be a walkout in the middle of your presentation and a protest and the kids, you know, and the LGBT community are gonna like stage a protest and your talk and we have disciplinarians

ready in the hallway and detention's ready to serve. And I said, well, do you mind if I kind of rearrange my talk and I jump right out of the gate and talk about homosexuality first thing. And I don't wanna try to diffuse this bomb. And they're like, oh. And I'm like, no, I said, I don't think I can defuse this bomb. And they said, if ah. And I'm like, no, I said, I'm gonna defuse this bomb. And they said, if you think you can.

And so right out of the gate, I jumped right into it and nobody got up and nobody left. And afterwards, those are the kids that lined up for hugs and selfies and conversation. So, so it's, it's had quite an evolution over the last 25 years for sure. But I'd say porn, same sex attractions is predominantly the new stuff.

Do you remember, do you know what that is that that's a bald eagle? Yeah, the one behind it got Mary McKillip and from Australia. Yeah, but do you know where I got that from? I forget you gave it to me. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah Yeah, so when I when I started working at Catholic answers back in when was that 2012 2011? I don't know. Okay, you had just moved to I think Arizona. Okay, and you left that my office. So, thank you Okay 2011, I don't know. You had just moved to, I think, Arizona and you left that in my office. So thank you. Okay. You're welcome. The reason I was thinking about my days at Catholic Answers was I was starting and I

was speaking on chastity and I remember just saying, I'd really like to just talk about pornography and all the principals were like, oh no, please don't do that. Mention it. I remember going to a school in Canada and they were very nervous coming up to me. But then over, I'd say a year or two, it was very interesting to see. I couldn't keep up with the speaking requests just on that one topic. So.

Yeah, so now I don't talk about gender per se in the high school assemblies because I'm at the same spot. Like how do I weave this in and hop out of that subject in five minutes and just move on to the next thing? So we've made it its own talk. And so we're doing that a lot in the parishes and universities, things like that.

We were down at a Louisiana state and they said, just so you know, we're hearing some rumblings that the Spectrum Alliance is gonna come and protest your presentation, perhaps outside with picket signs and this and that. And I said, oh, well, send them an invite. Like they don't need to stand outside of Louisiana. It's hot, let them in, invite them, tell them,

hey, come on in and we'll do dinner afterwards or I'll be available to listen to you as long as you want to listen to me. Like let's bring them into this conversation and set this back and forth. And they said, okay, well, let me make sure the reports are credible that this protest is gonna happen.

Because they said if it's not gonna happen, we'd rather kind of just fly under the radar. And they were ready to just do the talk and no pros test happened. But my response is like, no, no, no, we don't need to have this bicker back and forth, like welcome them in and say, I will listen to you. I'm not just gonna hear to just bark at you and debate you.

I'd like to hear where you're coming from on this. And so that's the approach we're trying to take with this. Have you not had people stand up at any of your presentations and chant at you and try to shut you down on occasion, you know I remember happened in Australia once it at a bar I was doing the talk green sex on contraception and some slightly Leave any breated Aussies came up, but thankfully we had some

Guys that were already set up to be the bouncers that kindly escorted those gentlemen from the premises But it really doesn't happen as often as I'd think. I mean, you see these YouTube clips of people speaking you've already campuses and it's just bonkers, but it hasn't happened yet. I mean, I was invited to speak over in Ireland and people started sending death threats of like, we will boil you in a cauldron if you come here.

They started protesting like the university, you cannot have him on our campus. And the University of Dublin pulled out, and then the hotel I was supposed to speak at pulled out, high school started pulling out, and you know, it was a big mess. So yeah, I mean, but a lot of those battles are fought before I come.

Did you ever go back to Ireland? No, we still want to do it, we want to book it. It wasn't canceled because of that. I was getting ready to leave the house like three o'clock in the morning for the flight, and we already had like five kids sick. And then I walked down the hallway and my daughter just finished throwing up, she's sick.

And then Crystal's sick. And before I know it, the entire family. And it's like one of those moments you hate as a speaker. It's like, okay, do I now have to call that bishop and the girl who worked all year to fight all these battles to bring me in and tell them, I'm sorry, I can't come. Or do I leave my family to stand on a stage

to talk about love with all of them throwing up by themselves? It's like, ah. And it was one where I had to bite the bullet and say, you know, vocation before occupation. And it was really hard. Because then like the LGBT community over there, like, victory, we did it.

We canceled his talk. See, you know, see, it shows how diverse we really are and inclusive that we were able to exclude him. And so they celebrated as a victory, but really had nothing to do with those protests because where they dropped out, other schools jumped in and said, we'll do it. So how does your approach differ to say Matt Walsh?

Because when Matt and those fellows get up and they speak about transgenderism, they often do have people shouting at them. And they can be pretty vitriolic back to them. I kind of like it. I kind of like that. I kind of like that that kind of hard edged approach. I think a distinction needs to be made and maybe you can tell me why I'm wrong to like

that. But I think a distinction obviously has to be made between the ideology that's being pushed by people who want to know better and those who are suffering. Yeah. Like I can get up and talk about pornography and shame it and show what a pathetic act it is. But if someone's in front of me and they struggle with pornography, I'm going to I'm going to love them and listen to empathize with them. Yeah. So is there room for both approaches?

How do you how does your approach differ to Matt Walsh's? I mean, if someone is going to stand up in the middle of my gender talk, is it screaming at me? I think I'd yell back and say, you know, hey, I got one thing to say to you. Like, can I can I buy you a beer tonight? Like, can we can we go have dinner after this? Like, let's talk, I wanna listen. It's definitely different than Matt Walsh's.

Because if they don't think that you're willing to listen to them, then it's just like, you're just shouting past each other. But I think you make a really good point that there's a really big difference between gender theory and gender dysphoria. And as a church, a lot of people haven't realized that yet. It's like, no, this is an infernal ideology

that needs to be disproven. And we need to pull out the apologetic guns and show them why the anthropology is off and why puberty blockers are harmful and cross sex hormones are not the way to go and the suicide rate after surgery, fact after fact after fact after fact. And it's like, okay, we've got to address gender theory.

It needs to be firmly shown why it's defic, okay, we've gotta address gender theory. It needs to be firmly shown why it's deficient understanding of man. But if we think that that's all that we need to do, we're missing, this isn't just an ideology, these are individuals that are wrestling with gender dysphoria in some, in a crippling way psychologically, that it's a tremendous amount of suffering.

And I think I've spent so much time kinda in the trenches with these teens that I can see it from both perspectives. I remember years ago I was up in Canada dad came up to me with his son and the son wanted to go through some transition surgeries and you know have a panectomy and you know have his penis removed and all this stuff and castration and you know I'm talking to the boy then I spent some time talking to the dad talking about them and afterwards the dad was saying me you know I said I think I'm just gonna let the kid have the surgery, and that way when he regrets it, that can be his punishment.

And I'm like, you wouldn't even let a doctor cut off his pinky, but you'll let him do this, and that can be his punishment. And having so many of these conversations with these kids, I remember speaking at a high school in Dallas, and a boy came up and he said, you know, I'm trans. And we sat down, it was at the school where that big protest was gonna happen and didn't.

And we just sat in the guidance department office and we just talked for a long time. Tell me about your family. And he said, well, I've got two older sisters, two younger sisters. And you know what? He's like, they can do no wrong. You know, they're just doted on and fond over my parents.

But me, I can't ever be good enough. You know, I'm on mixed martial arts, I'm on the swim team, I do jiu-jitsu, I always got straight A's, but I'm the black sheep of the family, and my parents are never satisfied. And I just jumped in and I said, well, do you think if you were born a girl, you would have been loved the way your sisters are loved?

And he said, I know I would have been. And to me, it's like, here we go. Like now we're getting really to the core. Your ache is not to be a woman, your ache is to be loved, and womanhood is the channel to find that love. And so when you really start to get like, listen to the dysphoria with kind of a reverent curiosity, that's our ministry, is we wanna help them

to listen to the dysphoria. Not for the sake of just blindly obeying it into transition, but what's the story underneath it? What's the ache? And sometimes it's clear, sometimes it's not, but it's a story worth listening to. Yeah, gee, that's beautiful. I wanna, I say this in all seriousness,

like there's not a bad chance that we'll either get a strike or ban from YouTube for a conversation like this. That's not me being hyperbolic. As soon as you start talking about gender dysphoria, in the realm of, I'm not even gonna say it, that's a good reason to get your channel canceled. So two things I want to invite people to do. Follow us on locals.

You don't even have to be a supporter on locals. We put out a lot of content. It's kind of like Twitter. You have to subscribe to Twitter or sign up to Twitter in order to see what people are posting. You can also throw a few bucks away if you want, but you don't have to do that. If we ever did get banned from here, we would start posting videos over there that would be public on that platform, matfrad.locals.com, link in the description.

And also we're over on Rumble. And so, yeah. Yeah, no, it's worth doing. But I mean, our Facebook page, I mean, the gender book just came out just in the last several weeks, and the Facebook page just got hacked. And our entire Facebook page, 125,000 followers deleted.

And they were able to find out where it came from. And the hack came from like Pakistan, India and Germany. And I'm like, I knew it's the German Conference of Bishops. They're at it again. But yeah, no, I mean, we've got to diversify the portfolio of our social media offerings because none of them are guaranteed. My fear is that if we allow YouTube to silence us

out of fear and we use the excuse, hey, I want to be able to reach as many people as possible, and therefore I'm gonna curtail what I talk about and be very specific. There's something to be said about prudence, being wise as serpents, gentle as doves. But if YouTube has become the kind of town square where ideas are shared, and that's the primary place

that they're being shared, if we shut up about this, then people are just children being evangelizedized as it were by Disney and- Yeah, de-evangelized. Exactly. Yeah, so I think if you're afraid to speak the truth because you'll lose your platform, then it's the platform that you love, not the people that you claim to love.

That's a very good line, Jason, everyone. We should point out that you have a new book out and I'm gonna ask Thursday to put this in the description. It's called, Male, Female male female other a Catholic guide to understanding gender and it can be had at chastity calm chastity calm if you just put a link in that description I'm so tell me about tell me about this book I see that half the book is good for you thousand of them in there yeah well you know I say necessities the mother of invention.

And a lot of the books that we've come out with over the years, just be like, I just don't feel like there's something out there yet. I mean, there's been some great works on there. I mean, you've got When Harry Became Sally by Ryan Anderson, fantastic work. More from the public. Yeah, exactly.

But more from a public policy perspective. You've got Abigail Schreier's got a good book called Irreversible Damage. It's excellent, not from a Christian perspective. But I felt like I wanted to have something that could answer kind of the top claims being made by gender theory, while at the same time kind of setting the pastoral tone

for how do we address these things? Because, and I want this to be received. When I give the talks, sometimes I'll have a kid sitting in the front row, 15 year old girl, short crop, you know, haircut, blue, you know, hair, piercings, gender non-conforming clothes, sitting there forced to be there by her mom next to her. And she's sitting there right in the front row

during my gender talk. And you know, the whole talk, I'm just thinking, how is this landing on her heart? You know, and so every page of that, I want it to be received so that a college kid could use it in the gender studies class and go toe to toe with the professor on that stuff. A mom could use it to know, okay, how do I understand

what all these non-binary, what the heck does all this mean? It could be used in seminaries or for a person wrestling with gender dysphoria. So I figured, okay, I'm gonna read 10 or 15 books on gender. I'll have a good idea on it. Then I'm gonna write the books. I've got enough pastoral experience. Got through 10 books, I'm like, oh wow.

I need to read five more on endocrinology, five more on public policy, five more on feminism, five more on pediatric medicine, five more. And it was just like this rabbit hole I went down. And 20,000 pages later of research, I felt like, okay, I feel like I'm finally starting to get a grasp of the big issue. Because it's the topic of man, which is so broad.

From the psychology, from the know, from, you know, the psychology, from the chromosomes, from all this, and you can't have a deficiency in any of these areas that really speak competently on it. And so I just dove in for two years of research, and then I sent it off to all the experts, you know, people like Abigail Favalle, you know, read through it. I had, you know, Ryan Anderson and Mary Rice Hasson,

philosophers, theologians, Dr. Paul Ruse, endocrinologist, a couple of psychologists read through it. Most importantly, I sent it to two Catholics who identify as trans. And I said, could you read this? And I want to know what you think. And I want to know how can I nuance this more effectively and where am I misrepresenting certain parts of the position? And sent them off. And, you know, one guy in particular, married guy, military guy, externally very machismo, wrestled gender dysphoria his whole life, married with kids, but really struggling with his gender identity.

He sent back pages and pages of helpful critiques and red lines and then sent it to another person who's full blown identifying as trans and got some input there as well and was able to integrate those things without compromising the church's teachings. And so that's the idea. It's kind of a flyover of the top objections of gender theory, whether it's the puberty blockers and the medical stuff or whether the psychology behind it and rapid onset gender dysphoria. And then just the personal approach of like, what if I'm wrestling with this? What's God's plan for me?

And so what was something you had to change that you realized that you were ignorant about regarding? Pretty much everything. There was so much to it. But just even the finest things like, you know, well, you know, I would say like sex is not assigned at birth. You know, sex is something assigned by God at the moment of conception. That's when your sex is defined.

You know, an endocrinologist would write back and say, well, technically that's not precise because of certain hormonal fluctuations that can take place in the weeks coming after conception. The sex can be sometimes determined a few weeks after conception, rather at the very moment of conception. So there are all these little nuances and tweaks or stuff in the chapter where I'd really try to dive into the roots of where is this coming from? You know, because you look at sociologically and philosophically where this is coming from and from culture and feminism and Marxism and all this stuff. You can look at it from the medical industry. Where was this coming from in Germany like 100 years ago when they started to do this stuff? But then also psychologically, what are the roots of this? And you know, a counselor, a doctor of psychology, she went

through it, but she treats a lot of patients wrestling with this. And she said, yeah, you really want to nuance that this way, because if they hear that, it's gonna, you know, because if you're telling them, if you just get to the roots, then it's all gonna make sense. And she said, sometimes the roots don't make sense. And sometimes there isn't a clear answer,

because it could be a chromosomal thing that's causing them to have, you know, this hormonal imbalance, perhaps. And because they have this extra testosterone circulating in their body, they tend to identify with things more masculine. And when they're in a culture that's telling them, if you're more tomboyish, then you must be a boy,

then it isn't some trauma that they're living out of, it's coming from a hormonal place. And so we don't wanna oversell. If you just get to that route, everything's gonna go away. Cause sometimes it doesn't. I mean, mean it's that's true in my life And your life as well. It's like sometimes you're going to therapy thinking well once I'm healed then I'll be okay And sometimes that comes from a form of self-hatred you have to kind of accept yourself with all of the things I'll never overcome. Yeah, I was going to have to live with forever. I know that's true in my own life

I wish I could say I was healed in this area of my sexuality, but it's not. It's an ongoing struggle and realizing that, okay, well then maybe this is the cross I have to carry was actually a liberating thing to think about. Yeah, and so what I try to get across to the kids is that, you know, if you think of gender stereotypes, they try to get a person to conform their personality to match their body. Your body is male, so you gotta fit into the male stereotype.

Gender theory does the opposite, where it tries to get a person to conform their body to match their personality. So your personality is more feminine, but you have a male body, we must conform the body to match the personality. And so gender theory and gender stereotypes are the opposite sides of the same problem.

It's the wrong solution in both directions. And so I think that the answers to like, broaden our gender stereotypes. Like I had a, I don't know if you know sister Deidre Byrne, I had a lunch with her a while back. She's a nun, a religious sister, a doctor, a surgeon, and a colonel in the United States Army. Like she does not feel like being an astronaut

because you're a lazy sister, like you just want all the locations yourself. But she isn't like doing these things instead of motherhood, she's mothering through these things. And so I try to point out that like womanhood isn't a box that you have to fit into. Like it's a firm foundation you can stand upon to bloom into whoever God created you to be.

I mean, if my wife was here, she'd tell you stories about when she was at church, she would always have her shorts on under the floral dress. Her mother made her wear. Oh, yeah. As soon as mass was over, she'd rip it up and go play soccer with the boys. You know, she she's a wrestler off and go play soccer with the boys. She was a wrestler, wasn't she? She was a wrestler, captain of the wrestling team in high school in Texas.

And so she says to me that if she grew up in this day and age, who knows what she might have start believing about herself. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, the stereotypes are so overwhelming, especially for the adolescent girls. I mean, just the pressure to be a woman today, insane. Like you gotta be sexy, but you gotta be modest.

And you gotta be skinny, but you gotta be healthy. And you should be assertive, but submissive, and successful, but domestic. And like all of these things, for most girls, it's just overwhelming. They see these glamorous women on social media than these unsteady girls that they are. And there's like this chasm between those two things.

And it's like, I'm not gonna get there, so I opt out. And so it's not necessarily that a lot of these girls, that's why non-binary is such a popular title amongst the girls, what they're choosing to go into. It's not that they wanna be a guy, they just know they don't wanna be a girl. And like, I can't even do that, so I'm opting out of womanhood.

And that's why bottom surgery for the girls who transition is less than like 2%. Like not only is it expensive and painful and often unsuccessful, but there just isn't even the desire to do it. Like, no, I don't want that. Like I'm not trying to identify as that. I just know I don't fit whatever womanhood is.

Oh my. Yeah. So what, how do you even begin at a solution when you've got a woman in front of you talking like this? Yeah. What if it's not gender conformity and it's not gender ideology? Yeah. Well, to me, the answer is really listening more than anything because I think we were so prone to like, what's the argument you give? What's the thing you say? And to me, it's like,

I want her to walk away from that conversation feeling like, huh, that guy really listened to me. Maybe the church has space for me to navigate these questions of my identity. Maybe there's room for me in the church to wrestle through this and not have it all figured out before I come and sit in that pew. I want them to have that sense of like, hey, I don't have all the answers, you know, but I'll walk with you and try to find some with you

if you want. Like I think they want that type of accompaniment rather than just this walking Google who's got all the facts to say to them. Because to me, man is a mystery. If there's anything I learned in that book, is man at the end of the day is a mystery. And if we don't approach the subject of the human being

with that type of reverence, then we become almost materialist. It's like, no, it's X, Y or X, X and this, this, and you've got this gonad and that gamete, therefore bam, because you have this part and that part, you are a male. It's like, well, wait a minute, it isn't really some thing that makes me male,

it's someone who made me male. It's God gave me my sexual identity as a gift. There's a givenness to it. And if I'm wrestling with that, let's go there. Like, where's this maybe coming from? Sometimes it's trauma. There's sometimes when a girl's been, for example, sexually abused,

she'll dissociate herself as it responds to the trauma of like, I, you know, I know one girl that was molested and her brother was present when the uncle did this, but the uncle didn't touch the boy, he just touched the girl. And what she learned from that is if I had been a boy, I would have been safe. And so there's this pulling back for the sake of security. I remember speaking at a junior high in Dallas and seven girls came up afterwards. A little school, 60 kids, 30 of them girls. Seven came up to me after the talk identifying as lesbian and they're 12 years old. I started talking to them and they they were not erotically attracted to the eighth grade girls. They just thought the eighth grade boys were disgusting, which obviously they are. And so instead of just trying to like shame these girls, I said, you know what? I'm really glad you're not attracted to those boys. I said, you know what? I think I'd be more worried

about you if you did think that what those guys were offering you was attractive. And so what I was trying to do there is kind of affirm there's a natural ache to be safe and to find intimacy in a place where you're not gonna be violated. And so your ache at the very core is something good and it needs to be affirmed instead of shamed. And then maybe if we take that route, you're not just to stick an L on your forehead for the rest of your life but realize my revulsion against what is repulsive is natural healthy and self protective but it's not my identity.

So if man is a mystery maybe men can be women what is is a man? What is a woman? Yeah, I read one, it was at Peter Cray, if you got had a couple of times, he said a mystery is something that we can't know anything about. It's something we can't know everything about. And so when it comes to the question of what is a man, what is a woman, I remember reading a woman, she's not a Christian, but she said,

a woman is a person with a female body and any personality, not a female personality and any body. And so the point is that the body is not meaningless, it's meaningful, that our identity is revealed in and through our body. But if we untether our identity from our body, our identity needs to anchor onto something. If not the body, then what?

Well, it'll anchor onto the personality. But there are as many personalities as there are persons, and you'll end up with an endless spectrum of gender identity. So if we don't wed together, gender and sex, those concepts, and they can be thought of as distinct, but not divorced. But if we don't reunite those things, what'll happen is that women will basically start

to dissociate from womanhood, because they can't personify the feminine essence and then men will start to appropriate womanhood by mimicking female stereotypes. And so what's needed is to reunite sex and gender. That's the path forward. And we're going obviously off the rails with this in the other direction,

but I think it's gonna come back. I think it's like a tsunami goes out to shore. That's the first sign of tsunamis coming and our culture's all out to see what is right now. Where the hell did this come from? How much time we got? We have a lot of time. Well, the analogy that kind of came to me

when I was writing the book is if you think of a flood that's just wiping away villages, you could say, where did this flood come from? It's like, okay, well, let's look where it came from. We've got melted snow caps over here because of the change in the weather. And then let's see, we've got some springs underground that burst forth. We've had some heavy rainfall. We have a dam that's broken upstream a quarter mile.

And all of these things together are causing the tributaries to become swollen. And now it's gone to the main vein of a flood and it's wiping away the villages. And so you could look at it. okay, well, let's look at it from a historical perspective. Where did this come from within the medical field? Let's look at it from philosophically, from Marxism, the role there in second wave feminism. Let's look at it from a contemporary way of social media and what's called rapid onset gender dysphoria.

Let's look at the different origins instead of saying, that's the fault of it. And so you can look at it from a medical perspective, people say, oh, it's the sexual revolution, it's 1960s. Like, no, no, this was way underway before the 1960s. And when I started to trace it back, people are like, oh, it's Dr. John Money. Okay, where'd he get his stuff from?

Well, Harry Benjamin. Well, where'd he get his stuff from? Well, Magnus Hirschfeld. And you start going back, there was this guy Magnus Hirschfeld who was in Berlin, Germany, and he ran this Institute for Sexual Science. This place was creepy.

I mean, this guy was really out there. He had a museum of sexual torture devices there. The woman of the house was a man 30 years younger than him that he had sexual relations with that later committed suicide. And this is the guy that first started doing these sex reassignment surgeries in 1920. He started with castration of a male. Oh my. I think by 22, he gave a double mastectomy to a woman.

By 1930, he tried to give a man a false vagina. And so what ended up happening to that man is he died 14 months later after an abyss of suffering and while this all the Stuff was going on there was an American by the name of dr Harry Benjamin and he heard about this Magnus Hirschfeld fellow and he said I want you to come out to do a speaking tour In the United States and so while that patient was dying of this gender reassignment surgery This guy Magnus Hirschfeld, was welcomed into America as like the Einstein of sex,

and he started this lecture tour. Now, Harry Benjamin became interested in this whole subject by a guy named Alfred Kinsey, who introduced him to a man who identified as transsexual. So Harry Benjamin wanted the surgeries that Magnus Hirschfeld was performing over in Germany to be more accessible in America. Because if you wanted one of these surgeries in America,

you had to fly to like Casablanca to a doctor out there who would do these things. And so he said, I wanna make these more accessible here. So let's start a research team here. So Dr. Harry Benjamin started this foundation that later became WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

This is now considered kind of the gold standard of the standards of care for transgender individuals today. But this guy, Harry Benjamin, is the one who started this thing. And he said, well, I need to get a research team together. And one of the guys on the research team was Dr. John Money. And so Dr. John Money was working with Harry Benjamin

after Magnus Hirschfeld came and did this tour of all his like science experiments he was doing, hailed as the Einstein of sex. And then you've got Dr. John Money coming into the picture. More people are familiar with him because of the good work of Matt Walsh. Dr. John Money, just to set the table for this guy, this guy identified as a polyamorous bisexual nudist

who thought that pornography could be helpful to marriage, endorsed pedophilia, and believed that many wives think that it's good when the husband has an incestuous relationship with their children because it relieves her of the burden of needing to be the full sexual outlet for the male and distributes that among the children. This is Dr. John Money.

This is the guy we're talking about as kind of the godfather here in the states of this transgender movement. And so he was experienced, he was not a scientist. He was not a scientist. This guy's a psychologist and he was fascinated with cases of ambiguous genitalia at birth. And how do we raise these kids, male or female? And they realize it's a lot easier to destroy an incompletely developed penis

than it is to construct one. And so they typically would take boys who have ambiguous genitalia and castrate the boys. And then he said, well, maybe we can just raise these as girls. And they started doing these different types of experiments and then the perfect opportunity came across this path, which was this family, John and Janet Reimer,

had a little boy, I think it was 1965, they had twins, Bruce and Brian. And then when the babies were about eight months old, they suffered something called phimosis, which is a condition where it's very difficult for the kid to urinate. You go to the pediatric doctor and he says, oh, well, you need to give him a circumcision

and that should ease things up. So they schedule the appointment, they go in. And apparently the doctor used a circumcision tool that involved an electric shock. So what it would do is it would cauterize the wound to keep it from bleeding too much. And apparently there's some big mishap that happened during the cauterization surgery of Bruce's circumcision

and the penis was destroyed. And the parents obviously traumatized, they canceled Brian's surgery, and then his fomosis just resolved on its own. So the whole thing was unnecessary to begin with. And they go home just traumatized with a little eight month old boy with a destroyed penis. And they're like, what do we do with this poor boy?

And one night they're up watching TV and they see this Dr. John Money on a TV show just hailing the progress being made at Johns Hopkins Hospital with these new ways that you know girls you know are identifying as boys and being raised in this way because gender roles and this is the first time has ever used like 1955 he's talking about that stuff and his research papers that we can raise boys because these are just social constructs. Gender, when did this word come into play? Well the first time we find in the English language is in the fourteen hundreds, exclusively

with grammar, you know, that that known as masculine, feminine or neuter. And the 15th century, it started to be used as synonymous with sex, but predominantly it was always in terms of grammar. And that's the way it always was. In fact, there's no record of it in the medical literature before 1955, when Dr. John Money introduced the term gender roles. And so that's the first place it shows up anywhere on the radar.

Today, it's a really problematic word in my opinion, because it's so extraordinarily vague. I mean, we've got gender reveal parties. Okay, what are we revealing? Biological sex. Okay, but it's a gender reveal party? I thought gender was your internal sense of identity. Like the meanings can be so different

when people have a conversation, it creates a lot of confusion. So it's better to speak of sex and sexual identity than gender, which can have so many different meanings. And so, but he was promoting this idea that gender isn't just distinct from sex, it can be divorced completely from it. And so he thought this is the perfect match control. I've got a twin set, when this one, we can be divorced completely from it. And so he thought, this is the perfect match control.

I've got a twin set, when this one, we can just castrate the kid. And he talked the parents into that just before Bruce turned two years old, was castrated. And he said, look, he's gonna be raised a perfectly healthy woman. You know, she won't be able to have kids. She won't be able to have kids,

but we're gonna put him in dresses and change the name to Brenda, and he will be attracted to males and live a happy married life. And you'll just see, it'll go great. It did not go great. I mean, they gave this little girl, boy, a jump rope. And he said, the only thing I need that for

is to tie people up and whip them with it. They gave him a sewing machine and he took it, he disassembled it to see how the thing worked. He was not interested at all. And growing up in like grade school, the kids teased him like, you're a gorilla. a gorilla like what are you because he's in a dress But he's all guy and he'd get fistfights the other kids and I mean the anxiety the depression the mother turned to infidelity and alcoholism I mean the whole family was imploding well meanwhile

Dr. Money was seeing the boys every year and molesting the kids and saying okay now you need to act out these sexual things and I'll take pictures because it's important that you learn your gender roles and like really messed up crap. So by the time the poor boy, you know, Bruce Reimer, Brenda was like 13 years old, like he was refusing, like do not, I refuse to see that man. And on the last visit, I mean, he totally had a nervous breakdown and tried to run away because Dr. Money was trying to introduce him to a man who identified as female. And then eventually the dad broke down and told him the truth for the first time.

And Bruce's first question was, what was my name? And he told him his name and then Bruce ended up changing his name to David in memory of David defeating this Goliath, that this won't be the end of me. And then he found out all that his case was being used all over the country by Dr. John Monty in these academic forums of like, this has been a great success. And he's just transitioning to a mother hen.

And this was being hailed and the feminists were like, hey, look at this, gender is a social construct. Women don't have to be relegated to domestic duties because these are just cultural impositions. Men and women are the same. And this was all flowing out of his pseudoscience. You know, and it had a tragic ending. His brother died.

He ended up committing suicide himself. He got married, a couple kids and took his own life. David did. You know, but thankfully before he passed away, he was able to become an advocate for this. He was on the Oprah Winfrey show. How did he have a couple of kids if he didn't have a penis? Adoption, yeah. So he this. He was on the Oprah Winfrey show. How did he have a couple of kids if he didn't have a penis?

Adoption, yeah. So he adopted the kids. Sorry, Oprah Winfrey. Oprah Winfrey had him on, and he explained this harrowing thing he went through, and many other kids started coming out of the woodworks after that, like, Dr. Money did the same thing to me. And so this guy, and he said, oh, David, unfortunately,

was lost to follow-ups, I'm not quite sure what happened to him. He knew exactly what was going on, but he was using it to boost his idea of like, hey, pedophilia is acceptable and this and that. I mean, but this is kind of just medically where this stuff was coming from. And after that, the Johns Hopkins Hospital

was eventually shut down. You know, Dr. Paul McHugh was looking like, hey, these patients that you guys are transitioning, their mental health is not better after these transitions, it's worse. You are not helping mental illness, you're collaborating with it. And so I believe it was in 1967, or 76 it was,

that the Johns Hopkins University's gender transition program was shut down. And then it was opened up several decades later, and now it's all over the country. Alfred. Sorry, could I ask real quick, could you give us a timeline? Cause those were great stories, but just for people to like realize.

Yeah. Alfred Kinsey comes into this too. So could you say like when Hirschfeld started and then money and just give us some years on that. Yeah. Hirschfeld the Institute of sexual sciences was in 1919 in Berlin, Germany. He ended up doing his speaking tour in the United States in the early 1950s. And the mid, no, no, yeah, it was 1950s.

He was out here with Harry Benjamin. Then Harry Benjamin started working with Dr. John Money in the 1950s and 60s. And the mid 1960s was Dr. John's Money interaction with the Reimer family. Johns Hopkins University was closed down after that and then reopened a couple of decades later. Alfred Kinsey.

We have a whole Hollywood movie. Liam Neeson starred him. I mean, this is a guy who, I mean, as a father of eight children, your skin crawls just thinking of the things that he did to boys. I mean, he was doing studies of when children, your skin crawls just thinking of the things that he did to boys. I mean he was doing studies of when children orgasm and how many minutes it takes to stimulate an infant to the point it reaches orgasm and he defined

orgasm as the one the baby starts screaming and crying and it's just like why is this man not in jail and this was an extremely broken sexual individual, unfaithful to his wife, and lived an exceptionally corrupt and immoral life. I mean, but he was a lot like John Money. I mean, John Money is promoting bestiality, showing pornography and bestiality to his university students

to de-stigmatize all sexual acts to them. And these are the godfathers behind this whole thing. And so Alfred Kinsey, who should be thought of as kind of the godfather of sexual education in the United States because he was behind Seekers of this whole way of, hey, we need to educate people about human sexuality. And so where should we learn about what people are doing?

Well, let's survey men and women. Where are we surveying? Well, let's go to prisons. And so he's surveying male prisoners and sex offenders and using the data from that research to project to the general population of see how deviant we all really are. You guys know you're really this dark deep down, but you know, because of social mores,

we all have to act like it, keep it together, but you all have these dark desires, don't you? And so this stuff was coming out in the sixties and then it became the fuel of the sexual revolution and the curriculums that are largely used in public schools and planned parenthood throughout the country. And Hugh Hefner famously said if Kinsey is the prophet, I'm his pamphleteer. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all these guys, if you look at them, had pornographic addictions going on in their own lives. Many of them, if not all of them, pedophilia was a part of their addiction as well. And they're almost seeking to scientifically justify their own brokenness, intellectualizing themselves

out of the perversions. How many minutes do we have until pedophilia is pushed as an acceptable form of sexual interaction on the public? Oh, I mean, I know Hollywood's already behind. I mean, you look at the stories of some of the actors in Hollywood of how just pandemic it is within Hollywood if you want to advance your career as a child actor. So many of the kids go through this with the producers and the directors and like, hey,

you know, come over to my place and, you know, oh yeah, you can be the movie star after that and you just keep coming by. I mean, the corruption is so deep, it's absolutely heartbreaking. But you know, thanks be to God. Like I had mentioned, I think the pendulum is gonna swing back on this thing, because like you go to reddit.com right now, one of the subreddits is hashtag D-Trans.

It's 43,000 D-Transitioners on Reddit right now, screaming from the rooftops. Like this is not the answer. So this all kind of got started not here in the US, it was more over in Western Europe. And so they've been ahead of the curve on this stuff. And so there was a Dutch endocrinologist who decided to start experimenting with puberty blockers

because of a girl who didn't identify with her female sex. And so it kind of gave her puberty blockers and then worked on to cross sex hormones and this became what's called the Dutch protocol. And so it started over there in the Netherlands of let's give the kids puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and this became what's called the Dutch Protocol. And so it started over there in the Netherlands of let's give the kids puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and then if they want the surgery. And so they've been doing that for a while

but what's happened in the last couple years is just remarkable over there. Like if you show up at a gender clinic in Netherlands now, hi, you know, my daughter is 12 and she identifies as non-binary and she'd like to have puberty blockers. They'll say, okay, well, there's an 18 month waiting list. And then after the 18 months,

we're gonna take about nine months and evaluate your case and decide if you're a suitable candidate for puberty blockers. And from the adolescent girls, like what? By the time I get the drugs, like my puberty is gonna be over. And from the clinician's perspective, it's exactly. Because 80 to 95% of the time, if puberty just goes on,

the kids will desist from this. They'll naturally identify with their biological sex. But when they go on the puberty blockers, what ends up happening is literally 99 to 100% of the time, they'll go on to get cross-sex hormones. There's no case studies of a kid that goes on puberty blockers and then just goes off and resumes natural puberty.

Or natural puberty. There is no record of, no studies of that ever being done because you think, well, why aren't those kids hopping off it and being normal? Well, what it is is like, if you get puberty blockers at 11 and you're on it for four years, and then you're 15 and all your buddies have broader shoulders and deeper voices and a five o'clock shadow

and you still look like a prepubescent 11 year old boy, you think you're gonna be more identifying in your masculine identity, no less. So they go to the cross-sex hormones and then they're sterilized for life. Because if you go from puberty blockers to cross-sex hormones, you're sterilized. You will never be able to have kids.

And so the people that have gone through this and then they go on the puberty blockers, their neurological development pauses, bone development pauses. So we've got like 15 year old kids now that have osteoporosis, like an 80 year old woman in their body, and they're 15. And I've read these kids that are like,

yeah, I never broke a bone before that, but my toes are broken, I've broken my knuckles, I've broken this, I've broken that, my hips are brittle. And this is, once you pass puberty, like you can't go back and redevelop that bone structure. Like it's a critical time and say, well, no, people redevelop that bone structure. It's a critical time. And say, well no, people aren't losing bone mass. That's not the issue.

They're not gaining the bone mass when they need to be. It's halting it. And so what's happening, these people that are going through this process, getting the double mastectomies. Because you can get them now, 12 years old, Oakland, California, double mastectomy. Los Angeles, 13 year old, double mastectomies.

Oregon, age of medical consent, 15 years old. Can't get a tattoo of a flower on your ankle at the age of 20. Can't use a tanning salon if you're 17. But you can get both your breasts removed at the age of 15 without your parents even knowing at the age of 15. And so these kids are going through this stuff

and the perfect example of where it leads is this girl, Kiara Bell. She was over in the United Kingdom. She went through the puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, double mastectomy and then at about 22 years old looked down at the scars like what did I do to myself and then she looked up what did you adults let me do to myself so she sued him. She sued the biggest gender clinic in the United Kingdom, Tavistock. Went all the way up to the high court in England which is basically their Supreme Court,

the judges ruled in her favor. And now Tavistock, the biggest gender clinic in the United Kingdom has been ordered to be shut down. Now original case was appealed and legal battles are still going on or whatever, but now Tavistock, biggest gender clinic in the United Kingdom is shut down. And it's being dispersed into smaller regional clinics

with a greater focus on mental health instead of just labeling kids, you're trans, here's your drugs. And same thing, Sweden, Finland, the Scandinavian countries, it's a lot harder now to get puberty blockers because they realize this is not the answer. Like the data is in, this is, they call it harking, hypothesizing after the results are known. We already know the results. There's no need to hypothesize. This is not working.

It's making problems worse. We're in the grip of an ideology though that refuses to see the truth and doesn't wanna submit to it. Yeah, and so the answer, it's money. Yeah, talk more about that. Well, I mean, you're looking at a multi-million dollar industry every single year,

and the few years is gonna be in the billions, because like let's say, I wanna transition to female and I have an orchiectomy. Orchiectomy is the removal of your testes, it's a castration. Okay, now I don't have the natural production of testosterone in my body anymore. Five years later, I realized that was not the best decision, but now I don't have testosterone.

So now I have to become a lifetime medicalization patient of testosterone, even though I've de-transitioned, just to try to feel normal as a man again. And so even if I de-transition, I still need the synthetic hormones. But if I do want to transition to female, then I'm gonna need testosterone blockers and estrogen supplements.

Again, lifelong medicalization of this stuff. I mean, the surgeries, for a man to have, for a female to have a phalloplasty, I remember the article of Gabriel Mack that you had talked about of that woman who went through this surgery, I think it was in the New York, one of the New York magazines where he talks about the surgery and all that, just heartbreaking.

Those surgeries can cost anywhere from 40 to $100,000 a surgery. And typically the first one's not successful. There needs to be multiple surgeries. Sometimes a dozen or more, because sometimes the appendage will die and they need to try again. They've got to harvest tissue.

I mean, they take a sleeve of skin from either your entire form or a graft from your thigh, and they use that the fashion of a new neophallus. And a lot of times it doesn't work and it physically dies. And then more sutures and more pain, it's a horrible thing to have to physically go through. But to me, it should spur a bit of compassion of like, wow, what would drive a person to endure so much suffering just to try to feel at their own body.

And so like these people are masochistic, crazy people. No, no, stop it. Like there's something going on here. There's a story that needs to be listened to of what would drive a person to experience that much suffering. But the cost of these things, 100 grand, potentially in one surgery, lifelong medicalization.

I mean, there's a major windfall to be had by these pharmaceutical companies, Big Pharma. But what they will listen to is their shareholders. Because if the lawsuits start flooding in, which they're now starting to, the investors are gonna realize, okay, where's the tipping point?

Where are the lawsuits gonna outweigh the revenue that's coming in? And at that point, we're out, and at that point, we don't need to be doing these procedures anymore at our hospital. That's what they're gonna listen to. They're not gonna listen to my book. They're not gonna listen to, you know,

documentary videos or whatever for the most part, but when you get enough public awareness and people de-transitioning, starting lawsuits, to me, I think they're gonna listen to where the money goes. How do we empower those? How many people did you say on that Reddit forum? Just on Reddit, it's 42,000 of them.

43,000. These are people who have quote unquote transitioned. And we would now. And transition is a broad term. I mean, you could have social transitioning. You know, I changed my name, my pronouns, my restroom, what sports teams I'm on. I'm currently changing my nationality. Yep.

Fourth of April, I'll be an American. Congratulations. I want a front row seat as the ship goes down. Oi, oi, oi. That is awesome. Good man. So we are kind of heading down. But yeah, so you have social transitioning.

You could have puberty blockers as a form of transitioning, then you could have cross-sex hormones. And when you go on cross-sex hormones, to be clear, it doesn't create genitals of the opposite sex. A lot of people are like, what does that do to you? It creates secondary sex characteristics. And so if you're a woman, you're taking cross-sex hormones, you're getting tea or testosterone,

your voice will deepen, you'll get some facial hair, redistribution of fat, increased musculature, those are some of the things that will take place. You know, and for a man, he's taking testosterone blockers, kind of the reverse of redistribution of fat. And then another form of transition would be the surgeries of which there are dozens and dozens and dozens. So you could have, you know, a facial recontouring,

a shaving of your Adam's apple off, there are surgeries that dozens and dozens. So you could have a facial recontouring, a shaving of your Adam's apple off. There are surgeries that could be done. Yeah, surgeries that could be done to your vocal cords to make it a higher pitch, a lower pitch. What are we doing? Yeah, no, I mean, it's heartbreaking. And then, I mean, because if you think like, what if the decisions you made when you were 13 years old

could never be changed? Like I've seen your yearbook photo, Matt. Like what were you thinking with the hair? But what if I could never change? That's hair, dude. I mean, that's hair. Now this is your fertility. And for very few kids,

if you tell them these things beforehand, really care. So it's like, I don't need a breastfeed. I don't want a kid 10 years from now anyway. The question I was gonna ask is, how do we empower these 42,000 people? How do we have them and encourage them and bless them and thank them for their courage to stand up against Big Tech, Disney, etc.? Yeah, because I mean, it's a very frightening journey to be so insistent. No, this is what

I am. I am this. I am this. And people are reluctant to change their mind on tattoos after they get one. Yeah, because it feels irrevers irreversible. And then same thing with abortion. Like if you've had that act of abortion, you've got two basic options. I can admit that I paid someone to murder my child and repent of it, or I can say this is healthcare and liberating. Like that sounds way better.

So I can't imagine what that's like once you've had that. Because if you're an outspoken advocate of abortion, you're posting that on Facebook and all this, and then imagine, hey, check out this new video from Lila Rose, I really like the work she's doing at Live Action. The vitriol that you'll receive from all of your previous friends is overwhelming

and what makes you wanna like, do I even wanna go through with this publicly? But now imagine you had to convince your parents to buy off on this, and they bought you a binder, and they paid for your top surgery and they gave you your hormones and your mom was there at night injecting the testosterone into your thigh

because she thought that that's what she needed to do otherwise you're gonna commit suicide and you got your school to have the school board allow you to use this restroom and be on that sports team and then this all happened and then the frontal lobe of your brain became a little more fully developed in the mid-20s

and you decided maybe that wasn't the right thing for me, but now am I gonna lose my identity, my community, and my mission? Because I had all those things. I was this adolescent looking for a place in the world. We need to give them a new mission. Yeah. And that's probably what they're finding on Reddit,

like a new mission to proclaim the truth. Identity, community, and mission. That's why when you touch this subject, people scream at the debates, scream at lectures at Matt Walsh because you're pulling a scab off in a sense. You're saying like, I don't just want to debate your ideology, I want your identity,

I want your community and I want your mission to go void. And it's like, it's not that we're having this malignant approach of like, I want those things, but for the person, it's like, I'm losing all of this because I finally, I was navigating through these turbulent years of adolescence, and feeling like, what is my place in the world? And then I found that title of non-binary.

I found this, and I finally feel like understood, and at home in my own body, and I've got people who love me and accept me, and I've got a mission, because now we're a victimized minority, and I'm gonna lose all of that and I'll have no friends and am I even gonna pass for my own sex anymore? Like, because a lot of the people that get involved in this

can get so deep into it, it's like, wait a minute, I've got, you know, some of the women, men transitioning to female have clients because they're involved in sex work. That's their source of revenue because it's very difficult to find gainful employment when you've gone full send on these transitions and you're not very convincing, so to speak,

and how you're passing is the opposite sex. Because okay, well, who's gonna hire me when I look like this? So many fall into prostitution, homelessness and things like that. And so it's like, where am I gonna go? You know, can I even, am I even, I'm not just gonna look like a freak

walking into the guy's bathroom and I've got breast implants. What am I supposed to do? I can't afford to have this. And so you start to have compassion on the story. Instead of just writing them off as you're some freak of nature who bought this false ideology, it's like, no, they need people to walk with them

and accompany them because they could be at any stages of transitioning and then decide this isn't right for me and then they're technically a detransitioner. And so we need to give them platforms. We need to allow them to speak. They need to be on pints of the quietness. They need to be able to share their stories so that other people realize,

oh, wait a minute, maybe that isn't the answer to everything. How is Reddit not banned to this channel? That's surprising to me. Beats me. I mean, I don't know who's in charge of those kinds of decisions, but what they're finding. It's in the description,

but I've looked through it before, so I just view a discretion on the ttrans subreddit, just so everybody's aware. Okay, yeah. I mean, there's all types of content that could be found on that topic online. But what was found, it was interesting over in the Tavistock Clinic,

there's a book that just came out. I just ordered it from Amazon, and it just came out about the collapse of the Tavistock Gender Clinic. What they found is they did a sampling of 125 kids that went in there for transitioning services. 97.5% of those 125 or so kids had coexisting mental health disorders,

meaning only 2.5% of them only had gender dysphoria. And so what ended up happening is they were looking at the body as a kind of a false target of intervention of like, that's what needs to get fixed. We need to change your breasts. We need to change this. We need to change that. But underneath it, you start looking at what's going on.

97.2, 97.5% of them had coexisting mental health disorders. So what are they? Well, in the trans community, 42% of people who identify as trans meet the criterion for an autism diagnosis, 42%. Then you've got anxiety, you've got depression, you've got a history of trauma, all this stuff. And a lot of times, to me, it's almost like anorexia

in the sense that if a girl feels like her life is out of control but she can count her macros and she can count those calories, it's like she's got a sense of control over something in her life. And so for a person, especially on the autistic spectrum, and that often involves like a very rigid thinking pattern, an obsessive interest in a particular topic,

identifying more with things than with people, they can lock into this, is's like, this is the answer to why I socially never really fit in. And they lock in really tight on this stuff, go through the transitionings, then the anesthesia wears off and the problems are still there. I know one anesthesiology said,

I won't even, I've told the doctors, don't even come to me if you want me to perform anesthesia on one of these patients. Because he said, look, I've seen the mental chart. I've seen the medical charts, the comorbidities that are going on in these kids lives, the depression, anxiety, autism. And he said to medicalize this stuff with hormones and surgeries, he said, that is malpractice.

You're just collaborating with mental illness. I'll have nothing to do with that. Can we pause and offer a prayer, you know, because I think there's going to be men and women struggling with their sexual identity or those who have quote unquote transitioned and gosh, we just want to tell you that we love you and we're so sorry for the pain you're experiencing and maybe the ways that you've been villainized by people on my side as it were. Could you just offer a prayer for them right now so they could pray with us. Yeah. Heavenly Father, in your word, the scriptures,

you say that you loathe nothing that you have created, for you would not have created anything if you had hated it. Father, you created these individuals by love, out of love, and for love. And at these times in their life that they might not feel that you love them or that they even love themselves or the church loves them,

we ask you to pierce through that darkness to help them to know that you created them good and that you have a plan for their life. And in the midst of this suffering, when we think that your son Jesus Christ is the furthest away from us, in those times of feeling forsaken by God and by man, where your one companion is darkness, where you're completely

alone, that you're living the Psalms in your moment of desolation, that Christ can't be found outside of you because Christ crucified is living in you, and that He is sanctifying you through this suffering. And we pray, Lord, that you would send into these individuals' lives friends and family members whose hearts would be open, whose minds would be open to receive and walk with these individuals, not needing to have all of the answers, but just needing to love and walk and be with these people

exactly where they are at, knowing that God, you will complete the good work that you have begun in them. Amen. Amen. You said earlier the good work of Matt Walsh. What did you think of what is a woman? When did you watch it? What was that experience like?

No, I mean, Matt's been doing fantastic, courageous work on this of like, I mean, hated by tens of thousands of people that think he's the devil incarnate for being so bold to speak out on Vanderbilt and all these things. But like, he's a cultural warrior in the sense of like, he's on the front lines addressing this as an ideology of really focusing like, look, this is what's going on.

And so I think that film would be excellent to show to like high school junior theology, morality classes, like, hey, this is what's going on here. Show it to university students of like, hey, let's watch this on campus and let's have a civil discourse about it. What did you agree with? What did you not agree with?

And so I think from an expose perspective of a documentary, like look, this is the reality of what we're talking about here. I think it's fantastic. I think maybe the weaker points might be, let's go into hope here. Let's go into the pastoral approach, the love of these individuals.

And okay, what do we have to offer them? Why is this not the answer? Well, what is the answer? And really helping to distinguish, okay, gender theory is over here, gender dysphoria is over here. Let's spend some time addressing both instead of just defeating the ideology

and pointing out the doctors behind this stuff. Their understanding of the human person is so broken. You talk to the D-transitioners, this was not the answer for me. Let's spend a little more time over here. Okay, if you experience gender dysphoria, here are some resources for you. And here are some places that you can go

to find support and love. And I would have liked to see more of that, but as a church, we need to make those things. You know, we have a website, chastity.com, and a link, slash, gender. Or whenever I find good stuff, links, podcasts, D-transitioners, platforms, I'm sticking them all up there. Persononidentity.com is a great website

for schools and churches. We're sticking it all at chastity.com slash gender. We'll put it in the description. Yeah, but we've got a ways to go. I mean, there's ministries and church like Courage, but we gotta grow out these things on a broader way to respond to this instead of just disproving it. And so we do need to take an intellectual approach,

but pastorally, we've got to, it's mystifying for a lot of people. It's like, what is non-binary? And what is this? I don't get this stuff. Either X, X or X, Y, that's all there is to it. It's like, wait a minute. It does feel like you're learning a foreign language,

but like I remember my cousin fell in love with this girl from Russia and he wanted to impress her. So we learned Russian, you know? And isn't that what you do when you love somebody? Very impressive. So the same respect, like this might feel like a foreign language, but if you want to communicate to someone, you better learn their language. Oh, I like that. Doesn't mean it has to become your first native tongue, but you got to learn their language out of love. That's what you do.

How do you learn the language without capitulating and using false language that communicates falsehoods. Yeah, well, it's a challenge, but we got to look at our language. Okay, what types of words are we using? Am I adopting words like a cis male? A cis male means that the biological sex you are assigned at birth aligns with the gender that you identify as. And so you're a cis male. And if a woman transitions to male, you know, she's a trans male. It's like, well, wait a minute. Okay. so there's trans males and cis males. We need to avoid, because trans means on the other side of,

cis is more on this side of, on the same lining with. We need to avoid those languages, because that implies there's different ways to be male. And that's no, that's obfuscating language. It's also obfuscating language to say, well, that person's born male. It's like, whoa, time out, time out. They're born male or they're male.

Because what was so miraculous that happened at the moment of birth that had to do with their maleness where they male it, why don't we call male it too? Or male, you know, in utero or male at 40, they're male. That is something that will not change 10,000 years after they're dead. Exume the remains the bones are from a male person. And so born male is not a helpful thing.

To speak biological male, same thing. A linguistic concession. Exactly, is there another kind of male than a biological one? It's like calling it a four-sided square. Well, are there squares that don't have four sides? Then why are we adding that descriptive? We're adding it as a linguistic loophole

to open the door for males who aren't biological ones. For example, yeah. Yeah, so we've gotta be careful on our language. Even the term transitioning. Like you can't transition. I can't transition to this table. I can't transition to be the Atlantic Ocean. Like I can't transition to something other than I am.

Now what's interesting is as you start to do the research, there are species that can transition sex. I was doing research on this. There are fish called the Gobi fish and the blue headed wrasse. It's fascinating that you'll have a habitat of fish, the most of whom will be female with one alpha male. If you reach into the bowl, you pull out the alpha male, the largest female within about a week

will fully transition into a biological male capable of reproducing with other females in the habitat. Then you take the original alpha male, put him back into the habitat. Not only will the female who had become male revert back to the female sex, she'll again be capable of reproducing with him as a female.

And these transitions can happen in a matter of days with like the bluehead wrasse fish. It's called sequential hermaphroditism, and it's present in a fraction of less than 1% of the animal kingdom, but it does exist. But even as that, it doesn't disprove what the church teaches, it proves it, because sex is being defined by how an organism

is organized for reproduction. And so for that organism, they can transition from one sex to the other, for humans were sexually dimorphic species You we are you either have a mature reproductive cell of a sperm or reproduction Reproductive cell of an egg. There's no third gamete there can be disorders of sexual development But there is no third gonad, you know, you've got ovaries and testes. That's it. There's no in-between gonad There's no fourth gonad that would serve a you've got ovaries and testes, that's it. There's no in-between gonad, there's no fourth gonad that would serve a different purpose than these.

If anything, the disorders of sexual development are just a deficiency in one or both of those. And so for the human being, every cell of the human body that has a cell is sexed. That's why you can't have a sex change. You have to change every cell. I mean, they found more than 6,500 sex-specific genes so that your arteries are male or female.

Like your esophagus is male or female. Your spleen is female. I can take one hair out of your head, forensic scientists say male. And so as a human being, science, I mean, even Richard Dawkins, I don't know if he just saw it yesterday. He's like, no, he said, as a biologist, male or female,

that's the end of the discussion. He's a gender, I don't even wanna talk about that. But from a biological perspective, let's just be clear. There's only two. God bless him. Yeah, yeah. And so for a person, now a person who identifies as trans might say, look, I'm not arguing with any of that stuff.

I'm not saying biologically a male. What I'm saying is I identify as female. And so my internal sense of identity in a sense trumps biology. Yeah, yeah. You, we were sitting down in Georgia and you were talking to me about just these distinct differences, how men and women are different, you know, uh, and you talked about our, our eyes.

Could you tell us more about that? That was one of my favorite parts to research on the book. Cause I've always wanted to really dig into that stuff. And so I started researching it and you'll hear there's stereotypes. Oh, women are more sensitive than men. Oh, that's just a stereotype. Like, no, no, no. Like at every level. You mean you just start like with the senses, the sense of hearing of a woman inside the inner structure of a woman's ear are microscopic hairs.

Men have them too. But women's vibrate at a far greater intensity than the man, which makes her capable of hearing inflections and nuances in the human voice that are completely imperceptible to the male brain. I think there's entire conversations with the male brain, can't you see? So she can hear, but she can pick up like, I think there's a little more behind that story,

she can pick it up, we can't. And if you teach little boys, you have to actually speak eight decibels louder for a boy to hear you than the girl. It's not a guarantee that they're listening, but they can at least actually hear you. And then, so where the men though, exceed at hearing in comparison to the women,

men are far superior when it comes to locating the origin of a sound in three dimensional space. So Matt Fradd is hunting for a zebra in Africa, and he hears a crunch of a branch 30 yards away southeast. That's where the sound came from. We can pinpoint the origin of a sound, whereas the women can't do that with as much clarity. But women have other gifts of hearing.

They can multitask. This one's really neat, that when a man is reading a book, so you've got Matt Fradd Fred and he's reading Aquinas and Cameron is trying to talk to him. If you do a brain scan of your brain while you're reading Aquinas, you are functionally deaf as a male. Like I've had my children scream at me like, dad.

I'm like, why are you yelling at me? It's like, we called your name nine times. I'm like, I was reading an email, like I couldn't hear. We actually become deaf as men functionally when we're reading a book for the most part. Now, where the women's brain, what's interesting, they're using both hemispheres of their brain to listen. We only use the one side.

So if you hit a man hard enough in the left side of his head, he can go completely mute. If you hit a woman there, she'll just keep right on talking. So these are just the hearing stuff. And I've seen it with my daughter in terms of like the multitasking. Or sitting at a restaurant once and just her and I,

and then there's a lull in the conversation. And then I'm like, Mary, what are you thinking? And she's like, shush. I'm like, what do you mean shush? I'm like, we're the only people at the table. What do you mean shush? And it turns out she's doing audio surveillance of all the conversations, the tables adjacent to us.

She's listening to all the details on their personal relationships of what's going on. I mean, even the couples she can't listen to, she's just looking at their body language. And she's like, yep, see them? He likes her more than she likes him. And those two, they are not getting along over that table. Like she's absorbing all of this content simultaneously,

like this maternal ears. Well, the man now, now these things are generalizations. They're our men. Because I was about to say that I think I'm more like that than my wife is. I would like to be able to go into a room and not care what's going on.

I don't know if it's ADD or what, but all the things that are taking place hit my brain at once and I'm aware of all of them. So I get exhausted quickly. It is a trait of ADD to be able to be distracted by how many external noises there are instead of just laser beaming. I mean, John Paul II could read a book on philosophy

while someone is reading him a book on theology at the same time and he would absorb both sources simultaneously. Monsignor Jeeva said that it was actually true. He could learn two books simultaneously. So these things are generalizations, but at the same time, they're neurological realities that men, by and large for the most part,

have that gift in terms of the hearing. You go into the smell. At the base of the woman's brain, the olfactory bulb involves the nerves that go into her brain for smell. Women have seven million more cells in their olfactory bulb, which means they can discern between scents with much greater accuracy than men.

So if Cameron goes into Liam's bedroom, I'm like, Liam, it smells disgusting in here. Liam's like, oh no, smells good to me, mom. Like, dude, she's right, it's rancid. But the boy can't even smell it. And so the sensitivity of the ears, the eyes, women can discern colors differently than men can. That's why they have colors like fuchsia and mauve and taupe

and all that brown, red, green. And so the eyes, the sensitivity, one of the ones that I really liked, in just terms of sensitivity and empathy, this was probably my favorite. Scientists took a room full of boys and girls, I don't know, like five to eight years old or whatever, and put up a wall and had a baby crying

on the other side of the wall. And he put a microphone in an intercom so you could hear the baby crying on the other side of the wall, and you could either click a button to talk to the baby or you could just hit the mute button then you don't have to hear the baby anymore. So you see where this is going.

All the girls go up to the wall, hey little baby, da da da da. And the boys just walk over, boom, problem solved. Just mute the kid. And so it's a sign of empathy. But like these things, you know, there are neurological differences but we need to understand these are by and large

for the most part kind of things. You know, these are generalizations in terms of like, hey, well, what if I'm a little bit more like this? And so like, for example, if a girl has a certain thing where she has more testosterone in her body, there's a condition called congenital adrenal hyperplasia where she's gonna have a lot more testosterone in her body. And so she'll be more likely to play with boys,

she'll be more likely to roughhouse, more likely to identify as tomboy, even more likely to identify as lesbian. But she's none of that makes her anything less than female. And so we need to be careful when addressing the differences to say, okay, well, you know, there can be some variation here, but there also are biological immutable realities as well. So if you don't like the materialist sort of xx xy chromosome thing How would you answer the question? What is a woman?

How would you sort of maybe improve upon what Matt had to say in his documentary? You can almost put it upside down instead of asking what is a woman you could just ask What is a person who gestates and gives birth to a child? What do you call that? Like what is that and and then And then it's flipping the question backwards and it's like, oh, well, yeah, what do we call that? And so from a biological perspective, as I'd mentioned, sex is determined by how an organism is organized for reproduction.

And from a Catholic perspective, it's not simply the parts. Like, you have the part to do that, you have the part to do that. It's more in the full sense of vocation to fatherhood and motherhood. And so the body does reveal to us our identity, whereas with gender theory, the body is meaningless.

It doesn't reveal anything, which is really strange how they try to say, well look, there's a little brain sign saying this, or what about intersex conditions? It's like, well wait a minute, are you telling me we should look to the body to tell us our identity? I mean, if you're gonna be a dualist, at least behave yourself and be a good one. Like, don't go looking at the body

if you want me to tell me that the identity is untethered from the body. Like, you need to stay in your camp. And- Because that's the number one thing I kept getting told to me when I would bring this up is what about intersex people? What about people with ambiguous genitalia?

Yeah. That's a great response. Yeah, I mean, that's the start of a response, but then we also have to go there. Like, well, let's look at these intersex conditions and see if it really is saying what you're saying. Because there was a woman named Ann Fausto Sterling in academia and she said, you know what?

Intersex is more common than people who have red hair. 2% of the whole population is intersex and sex itself is a spectrum. There aren't just two sexes, there's all kinds of, so she's teaching us all the university's settings and the students are like, oh wow, I had no idea Intersex was as common as having red hair and it's 2% of the whole population I had no idea that I'm sitting here in this class and there could be eight other students who are intersex and oh my goodness I feel so bad. I never even knew well

Let's let's look at her numbers If you look at all of the disorders of sexual development that she kind of lays out and you start going through them It's like 90 something percent of these are not intersex conditions. They are disorders of sexual development. You start going down them like one is Klinefelter's. You hear that one thrown out. Well, what if a person has Klinefelter's?

I mean, in that intersex, there's no clinical sense in which Klinefelter's or Turner's is an intersex condition. So Klinefelter's is when a man is born and when he's conceived, he either inherits an extra X chromosome from his mother or father. It could actually inherit several Xs.

So instead of just XY, he could be XXY or XXXXY. And so what that will do for him developmentally, he'll have smaller testicles, a little bit of enlargement of the breast tissue, but he's completely male. In fact, some men will live their entire lives with Kleinfelters unaware that they even have it. A lot of guys don't even know they have it

until they seek treatment for infertility, and the doctor explains, oh, you have Kleinfelters. But he's a man. And so the female equivalent of that would be Turner syndrome. And so that's when a woman is born with a missing or partially deleted second X chromosome from most of all of her cells.

And since you need two X chromosomes to have a fully functioning ovary, these women are typically infertile and they don't experience normal puberty. So they tend to be a little bit shorter in stature, but they're fully women. And so there's no clinical sense that Kleinfelter or Turner's is an intersex condition.

And so then the next one that Ann Fausto threw out there was a LOCA, which is lateet congenital adrenal hyperplasia These are women many of whom can give birth and many of them don't even know they have this condition until they're in their mid-twenties There's no genital ambiguity going on whatsoever You remove just these couple ones out of her statistics and two percent slides down to point zero two percent Now do the math on.02%, it is one out of 5,000 or two out of every 10,000 live births. And that's the more accurate figure

for intersex conditions. And so we need to first be fair about the numbers. So that's the first thing I'd address. Okay, are you blowing out these numbers to make it look like it's bigger than this? But even if there's one on the planet, what does that tell us? And so let's look at those.

And so the most common one is called congenital adrenal hyperplasia. And this is when the woman's body is producing too much testosterone. Now, boys can have it too, but because it doesn't cause any genital abnormalities, it's not considered an intersex condition for the males. So, for the girls, it is.

And about one out of every 30,000 experiences is the most common intersex condition. And so, for the girl, she's gonna be, there's gonna be a slight virilization of her genitalia, meaning that it's gonna be a slightly enlarged clitoris for the woman. But what's interesting is that many of the girls, when the woman is born, she looks completely female.

There's no indication whatsoever that this human being is anything but female. But what ends up happening is puberty happens and then she has a menorrhea, she's not having a period. And so the parents take her to the doctor and like, okay, let's see why you're not having a puberty. They might do a blood test, they might do an ultrasound. And they look in, it's like, there's no uterus there.

There's no ovaries, which she has instead of a uterus and ovaries are partially developed undescended testes that are not producing any sperm. But what's fascinating is instead of, it's pumping out testosterone, but her body converts the testosterone into estrogen, so she fully develops physically, externally as a female.

Now, if you were to look at her genetic code, she is XY. So she's XY like a male. And she also has what's called the SRY gene, which typically determines the path towards masculinity. It's the sex determining region on the Y chromosome and so just from a chromosomal level looks male but phenotypically or the morphology of the body you have someone who is female. So this is a woman who has an intersex condition. Typically after puberty they'll remove the

undescended testes because they could lead to cancer, but this is a biological woman. And so that's one case to be explored. Another one is something called complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. And for those girls, they have, or for the CAH, they don't have the XY, it's the complete androgen insensitivity syndrome that has the XY.

And those women won't respond to testosterone in natural ways. So physiologically, they're XY, but they're not responding to testosterone, and as a result of that, they have this disorder of sexual development. And so they're considered an intersex condition, but it is a female person.

And so these things are tricky to look at. So we've got this congenital adrenal hyperplasia thing where we've got a, you know, we've got a woman here. No, wait, let me get these straight. I just want, so congenital adrenal hyperplasia. The woman has an excess of testosterone in her body. And because of that, she'll be more masculinized in her features.

So she'll have a more developed clitoris, it's gonna be slightly enlarged, and these women tend to have more testosterone, but they are female beings. It's the other one, my mistake, complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, that will be XY. That will have the SRY gene,

but however, because her body cannot respond to testosterone in the natural way, and then in her case, she will develop as female. She'll have the undescended testes that are later removed. And so these are intersex conditions, but what'll happen when a baby is born with an ambiguous genitalia, or when the genitalia doesn't quite line up

with the chromosomes, what they'll do is they'll bring in a team of experts. They'll bring in a urologist, a specialist in pediatric medicine, an endocrinologist, even a psychologist, and they'll meet with the family. And they'll say, okay, I know this delivery wasn't quite what you were expecting,

and this may be a little surprise that things didn't look quite normal, but we're gonna do some testing and we're gonna do some digging, and we're gonna try to find out with you exactly what's going on. And so with a little bit of research, they can find out, yes, this is a biological male, but here's what's going on. And so with a little bit of research, they can find out, yes, this is a biological male,

but here's what's going on. Or this is a biological female, but this is a disorder of sexual development that's happening. Now the most rare case is something called ovo-testicular disorder or true hermaphroditism. This is where a person will have both ovarian and testicular tissue in their body

and can have many different variations of form, but typically only one of the two gonads will be functional. So we don't have any cases of someone that can impregnate themselves. So you can't have a functional ovary, functional sperm, and the woman produces asexually. We don't have that. It's typically very clearly one or the other.

Some people have something called a mosaic, which is where two sperm, an X and a Y, fertilize an egg at the same time. And so the person can have XX and XY chromosomes in the same body. And then there's another thing lastly called chimerism, where you've got two eggs, one male, one female, and one of the embryos dies and is resorbed

or absorbed by the other embryo. And so this individual will have two sets of chromosomes, two sets of DNA in the same individual. Now typically they don't have ambiguous genitalia, but that's kind of a broad overview scope of all that stuff. I mean, it can be a little bit overwhelming. I mean, it's- Yeah, it is.

But these things, you can only identify a disorder of sexual development in light of a sexual binary. If you don't have male and female, then you couldn't even know what is a disorder of sexual development. It's like, well, how could I know I'm missing a finger unless I know I'm supposed to have five as a person? Yeah. All right. Well, on that note, let's take a break and then we'll come back and we've got a bunch of questions from our local supporters. Um, and feel free to send in a super chat and we'll try to get all the questions to all the questions.

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This is the story of a girl named Max, and it's talking about, you know, I'll just do a little. When a baby is born, and here's the mom and the dad holding their newborn baby. When a baby's born, a grownup says, it's a boy, it's a girl. It's a brand new baby, but if a brand new baby could talk, sometimes that baby might say, no, I'm not. When a baby grows up to be transgender,

it means that the grownup who said they were a boy or a girl made a mistake. And so we're telling these four-year-old girls and boys, your doctor and your parents may have made a mistake if they thought that you were a boy or a girl. And so this is being read to these kids. And you know, there's all kinds of different books in this whole genre.

This one's for the four year olds. This one's for the five, six, seven, eight, nine, half a million kids had to sit and listen to that stuff. That's disgusting. Yeah, so I mean, it's- If the death penalty were permissible, there would be certain people that I think ought to receive it. A lot of people think this is like a left or right issue.

It's not. I mean, there are people in the trans community who say this is child abuse. You should not be giving kids puberty blockers. You should not be reading this stuff and drag queen story hours and libraries. And these are not right wing Republican folks. These are people in the trans community say, leave the kids alone. You know, it's wrong to indoctrinate them.

And Pope Francis called it ideological colonization when we're imposing this onto other cultures, especially out of the kids. It's important that we also state that we're not just saying that this is inappropriate for children. We're saying this should be illegal for adults, correct? Well, I mean, I think it's fine to read the stuff. Oh, I don't mean read.

I mean to go through a quote unquote transition surgery. Yeah, see, to me, it's, let's not criminalize the people who went through it. The question isn't should I, do I have the right to have this done to my body? It's like did the physicians have a right? No, that's right to do these things to people because if like you're experiencing like a you know bodily identity integrity disorder Where I think my arm shouldn't be there you go to a doctor and say I'm trying to amputate it It's the bastard who does that. Yeah, I mean if a if a doctor is seeing a teenage girl and she thinks she's obese

And she's actually anorexic. I mean and he a doctor's seeing a teenage girl and she thinks she's obese, and she's actually anorexic, I mean, and he's given her diet pills and a liposuction, take away the guy's license. It's like, no, that's not the treatment protocol for a girl whose mind is not in conformity with the reality of her body. And so that's not what we do in other fields of medicine, but then when it comes to sexuality,

and that's why if you wanna have an elective hysterectomy under the age of 25, you can't do it. if you're 21 year old college or girl like, huh? I don't want to have babies. I want to hysterectomy. They won't give it to you Yeah, but if you're in 21, you say you're trans then they will give it to you So it's fascinating that you can't have an elective hysterectomy for contraceptive purposes at under the age of 25 But you can if you identify as trans and you want the uterus out of your body All right, we have questions from local supporters. If you're watching right now and you're a part of locals go over and put in a question.

Let's try to get to some of these here. Little poll says something. Says, hi Jason, in light of people seeing their identity as being untethered from their bodies, how do you think we can best help and love people who have bought into transgenderism? Well, I think one thing we need to do is help them realize that there's a lot of, there's a lot of different ways to be male. There's a lot of ways to be female.

You don't have to fit into this cookie cutter, stereotypical, like if you're a real man, you're into drinking beer and shooting deer and watching NASCAR. And if you're not, well, you're not that much of a man. It's like, well, no, I mean, you think of the most masculine man I've ever met was Pope John Paul II, and he deeply loved theater and poetry and the arts.

I mean, he was an outdoorsman and skiing and all that stuff, but like, he loved theater, poetry, arts. And if he grew up today, he'd be told like, no, if you're into theater and poetry and arts, eh, you know, you're not that much of a man. These are bogus gender stereotypes. And so I think we need to deconstruct these overly rigid gender stereotypes

to let people know there's a lot of room to be a man, a lot of room to be a woman. There's plenty of room for Joan of Arc's in the church, plenty of room for Tres of Les Hues. That's what you love about the saints is they're so radically unique in how they express their sexuality. I mean, you've got St. Vytaulis of Gaza

would like go ministered in the brothels and then Aquinas is chasing her out with a hot fire brand, different approaches. And so I think we've got to help young people understand. So if you've got a kid who's maybe a little gender non-conforming and he likes to be doing the plays in theater, go cheer for him. You'd be there in the front row.

You root for that kid in his play. You don't be like, no, you're gonna throw a football like dad. It's like, that stuff's really harmful. So we've gotta make sure that they understand there's a lot of room to be a man, a lot of room to be a woman. You don't have to fit that mold.

God made you you. And what I try to tell them is like, if God could tell you anything, I think he would say that you were not born into the wrong body. You were born into the wrong culture. A culture that told you, you might have to hurt your body to be your authentic self. But your body doesn't need to be reconstructed, it's our culture that needs to be reconstructed. And God has created you for such a time as this

to do that. Yeah, that's that's excellent. Alissa says, I'm a middle school religion teacher at a Catholic school. Do you have any suggestions for resources curriculum for this age group to talk about chastity, pornography, LGBT, marriage, etc.? Yeah. A couple of thoughts. One thing I would go to personandidentity.com and pass on to them that link to your principal, because the school needs to be formulating policies in the parent handbooks so the parents know if you come to our school, you need to understand that we teach Catholic anthropology, which is XYZ, so that you're not reacting if a kid shows up and says, oh, I'm trans and my parents want you to use my preferred pronoun.

You need to have these policies already in place. And so personandidentity.com is a good resource for that. In terms of curricula, Ascension came out with Theology Body for Teens Middle School Edition. And so that one's helpful if you got middle school kids. You've also got groups like Tobet, Theology of the Body Evangelization Team, and Ruah Woods, which are both created curricula

for the younger crowds. You can get books, resources, curriculum, starting like kindergarten, all the way up. I think Ruah Woods has them grade by grade. And so get those things implemented so we're not dropping some theology of the body bomb on the kids when they're sophomores in high school, and they don't know what it is before then.

And so it's gotta be obviously age appropriate of teaching them the meaningfulness of the body, the goodness of the body, that you are not a non-bodily person inhabiting a non-personal body. Like let's give these kids age appropriate anthropology so they don't get swept down the stream. And you could start real simple of like,

your body is you. If you say, I'm going to the store, well, your body's probably going to the store as well. Because the body isn't just something you have like you have a pair of jeans, your body is you and God made you good. And so just really an affirmative tone and that there's lots of room to be different boys

and different girls. You don't have to fit this and fit that, you can still be who you are. I think that takes a lot of the pressure off of these stereotype induced forms of gender dysphoria. And I wonder as this gender ideology stuff pervades our culture, if we're going to revert to this, you're gonna see men hamming up the low voice

and the beards and the in just, it's like we don't know what a man or a woman is anymore. Well, I'm gonna bloody well show you that I know what it is and I'm going to adopt to myself all the accidentals of manhood. Yeah, I think there could be some pendulum swinging a little bit too far to this side or that side. But in the end, it's a blessing that we're having to rediscover what it means to be human that we're having to ask these questions like what is a woman? This is a good question, you asking. Really, what is femininity? What is the feminine genius?

Is there a masculine genius? Why don't you ever hear about that? I mean, feminine genius, though, it's this and this, and what do we have? I mean, like barbecue or like I had cigars. What do we have that's unique to men? And it's a blessing that we're able to rediscover this stuff and that John Paul's kind of front-loaded it all

with the theology of the body so that we've got this authentic anthropology to stand on to learn who we are. David, who is a viewer from Germany and says, please pray for our bishops, he says, will there be any German translation of Jason's book and or other books regarding this sort of stuff? Yeah, we've got two or three of our books being translated into German right now. We've got Theology the Body in One Hour. I believe that was just translated into German. Pure Love. It was just translated into German as well. If you go to chastity.com and click on the books as soon as we have translations, because we've got dozens in different languages, you

just look around for the word German and then click it and we'll have a link over to the publishing houses over there. But I'd be happy to have this translated. Anyone in the world, I mean, we get emails every week, hey, we wanna translate this into German or Croatian or whatever, and we're like, hey, here you go. Well, literally, if you wanna print this anywhere in the world and give it away for free or sell it at what it costs you to print it,

we'll just give you the license. We don't need any royalties. If you wanna make income off of it, then we can do some royalty type of deal. But if you're just gonna print it to give it away or sell it every single thing We publish a chastity project we give to anybody in the world and they're printing it in China Underground church all over the place and that's kind of the idea we have if you've got the heart that we have to just get This message out those files are yours and you know work with you

Reverend mr. Paul born says please tell Jason that he spoke to my childhood parish St. Patrick's in Stoneham, Massachusetts. When I was starting high school, these talks convinced me about the truth of chastity. And now I am two months away from being ordained a priest. God used Jason to save me from so many dangers to my Christian and priestly vocation over the years. Deo Gratios. Praise God.

Praise God. And it's Stoneham, Massachusetts, by the way. You can't say Stoneham. Stoneham. Matt P says, please thank him for all he does I would love to hear some practical tips for modesty and dress for men and women in the world today Yeah, that's something you don't hear about modesty for men that nobody talks about it No, because you know part of that's we've reduced

Modesty to clothing mm-hmm, and if modesty is only clothing then well, I mean we have pants. I mean we're good today I got a shirt on I mean, that's all there is to it Yeah, I think we've made a mistake of reducing modesty to only clothing when what about the modesty of my intentions, you know What about the modesty of my speech? What about the modesty of the way that I'm dressing or you know dancing? It's a much broader concept. And so I think women Typically if you wanted to incentivize a woman to be more modest, I think the first thing we need to do for the women is really enter into like,

why do women have like an anaphylactic reaction to the modesty? Like you just bring it up and a lot of times it's just like, whoa, you don't want to go there. And I think why is there that allergic reaction to the topic of modesty for many women? And I think there's really, really good reasons that have to be affirmed.

I mean, the first of which is that for thousands of years, the whole problem of lust has been blamed on the woman. Well, you're the adulteress, you're the seductress, you're the occasion of sin, you were the woman caught in adultery. I mean, you were wearing that outfit, you were kind of asking for it. I mean, that mentality has been pervasive

through thousands of years of culture. Like the woman caught in adultery, where's the guy? He's not around, she's the one getting stoned. So because this idea that the woman's body is the trigger of lust, well that's the problem. But what I look at is like, what's the cause of robbery? Like is the cause of robbery the presence of jewelry in the window of the store or the presence of greed

in the heart of the robber? Greed causes robbery. It's appropriate to display jewelry. It's not appropriate to display cleavage or the womb. No, this is, but we have to understand the body is not the cause, the actual cause of the lust. The cause is the human heart because there's plenty of cleavage in St. Peter's Square. There's St. Peter's Basilica. I mean, the very icon of chastity in St. Peter's Square. There's St. Peter's Basilica. I mean, the very icon of chastity in St. Peter's is a bare-breasted woman.

That's the image of chastity in St. Peter's Square. She's displaying her body parts. But there's an ethos John Paul talked about of the artist, he has a responsibility how he portrays the body, and then there's also responsibility of the person viewing the art, and both of them have to work in tandem

to look at the body reverently. And so I think what we need to help women understand it's not to say oh well then you just dress however you want you know no we don't do that but we also don't want to say the body is the cause of lust because that's false the human heart is the cause of lust and if I can externalize the blame to the body of the woman I'm free because that the outfit is what caused the whole issue it's like mmm there's a deeper wound that needs to be healed here.

So, because I need to try to arrive at a place of Christianity that if I see a woman dressed immodestly, instead of just lusting after her, I could have a sexual reaction of like, wow, that's beautiful. But now what do I do with that reaction? Can I just stop for a second and say, God, thank you for making her beautiful.

And I pray for her and I'm responding to the beauty of the body with love instead of thinking that her body forced me to lust. Like I have no freedom of will. It makes me a slave of my instincts. It robs me of my own dignity if somebody can cause me, strictly speaking, to sin. I still have to have my agency.

And so I could see somebody I'm honest, be tempted to sin, but use your self-will to say hey Look that woman's worth a lot more than her body parts And so God bless her and I pray for her and you try to move on obviously that's continual battle But I think step one for the women help them to understand It isn't right to just blame women for men's lust men need to take their part in this whole thing the second thing I think women need to hear is it isn't fair how often women Get the modesty message and guys get kind of off the hook.

And because like you never hear homilies of male modesty. And the reason for that is like I said, we reduced it to clothing and modesty is clothing. Like I wouldn't even know what to wear if I wanted to be a modest. I mean, like if I wanted to seduce someone, like what am I gonna like put on a cowboy hat? Like, you know, fireman.

Like, yeah, look at that. I mean, people are laughing. I mean, that's how hopeless the cause is. And so because we just made the mistake of thinking it's clothing, and then we just think, oh, that's the girl's domain over there. And so we've got to say, okay,

well, maybe it means different things. Like, maybe girls could be triggered by male immodesty. He's walking around the gym with his shirt off, or he's wearing super tight suit. I've had girls say, like, when guys are wearing super tight suits, sometimes that's a real temptation for me. But we've gotta realize, we gotta drop this mentality,

well, my brother's keeper, he has a problem of lust, that's his own problem, I don't need to worry about that. It's like, well yeah, let's work together to kind of build a civilization of love. John Paul talked about modesty as making a way for love. And so it's not because your body is bad, it's because your body's so wonderful that sometimes the sexual value

will eclipse the personal value. And so what we're trying to do is put the personal value in front of the sexual value. And so modesty is just trying to right order those values. Yeah, that's good. I was reading Thomas Aquinas the other day who said that an immodestly dressed woman is like one who digs a hole

and then covers it up to trap a man. Oh, so I think we'd want to affirm that. Yeah. And at the same time, also make right. It sounds like you're doing that. Like you're saying both have a part. Yeah. We can't offload the blame to the woman. Yeah. But not not that Aquinas wasn't a bright guy because I think he had a couple insights along the way. Women mostly aren't doing this to get a guy to fall. They frankly don't, they're not interested in what a guy thinks he's dressing, she's dressing for herself or for the other girls.

Not for the guys. But there is an act of omission there that I should have been thinking of this person. But I don't think we can ascribe a malicious intent of like, I want to wear this to make guys to love. It's like, they don't think like that. That's not on the radar. I mean, men, like when men dress,

and like, let's say we showed up at the studio this morning wearing the same thing, like, oh, we're twinsies! But like, if girls show up at a party wearing the same thing, it's just like a stare down. You know, it's like, oh, she looks better than I do. Yeah, it's a competitive thing. So when women dress, it's more often for other girls or for themself, not for the guys.

That's why we need to invite her. Look, I'm not saying you're dressing that way to make him lust, but I'm just saying, just so you know, he might have some weaknesses in that area and it'd be an expression of love to maybe opt for the more modest outfit. You are your brother's keeper. We are our sister's keeper.

Exactly. Yeah, okay. How, says Holly Hartz, can we help those with mental illnesses who struggle with gender dysphoria? I'm gonna just change this question a little bit and just ask about like parents. I don't think we've really kind of directly addressed that. There's parents who've come up to me in tears because their son thinks she's their daughter, et cetera. Or his, yeah. Well, one I would say to parents, don't freak out in the first conversation, turn into some debate, some yelling match, some theological dissertation,

telling them they're wrong and that this is just a phase and no, you're gonna outgrow this and cut that ridiculous stuff out. Don't freak out. And some parents are like, oh great, that's exactly what I did. Now how do I do damage control here? You could go back to the kid and say,

look, I'm sorry I didn't do the best job of listening to you. Can I try again to listen? And you'd be surprised. If it's not like, can we try to talk about this again to you. Can I try again to listen? And you'd be surprised if you, it's not like can we try to talk about this again? Can I try to listen again? I understand that this is really important to you. And because I love you, it's important to me to understand where this coming from.

And then you just start asking questions. You know, when, thank you for sharing this with me. I'm sure that was probably really hard to tell me because you've probably been thinking about this for a long time and afraid that if you tell me that I'm gonna reject you. And so thank you for trusting me with this information. And a lot of this is new territory for me.

And so please be patient with me as I try to learn where this is coming from, what these terms mean. And so now we're entering into like, okay, let me receive you. Let me see where this is coming from. And this is not to endorse this. It's to say, okay, I wanna understand where you're coming from.

And then you can start to maybe take a map of their dysphoria. Okay, when did this start happening? What was going on in your life at that time? What triggers your dysphoria? Is it just the clothing, or is it the social expectations of womanhood, or is it the social media?

When do you find yourself feeling most dysphoric? And some teens will say, I feel most dysphoric when I'm locked in my own room on a screen. Other person's like, no, when it's why I have to dress in formal attire in this really frilly feminine dress, I just feel like, ugh, it's not me. Everybody's kind of got a different story.

So let's start listening then. What's the story being told there? Are you being told that if you don't dress that way that you're not a girl? Well, hey, maybe you don't need to go out and run and buy a pink dress, you know, just because you don't feel comfortable in that and you need to conform to this.

Be patient, but then also, you might need to unplug them a little bit. And what I mean by this is there was a woman named Dr. Lisa Litman, planned parenthood worker, Democrat, pro-choice, all that stuff, came out with a research paper identifying something called rapid onset gender dysphoria. And she was just crucified over this thing.

And I mean, she was fired and the Brown University took away the press release for her thing. And then she just got beaten to crucified over this thing. And I mean, she was fired and the Brown University took away the press release for her thing. And then she just got beaten to death over this. But all she was doing is pointing out, look, there's some really common features going on with these adolescent females who are just coming out of the woodworks identifying as trans or non-binary.

They often come from progressive families. They are spending an insane amount of time on Tumblr, Reddit, YouTube, Instagram with these trans influencers, often on the autistic spectrum, a little bit socially awkward, typically don't have a boyfriend, and then they're at a social setting in a public school usually, where one girlfriend comes out as non-binary and then trans and then this and then that, and before you know it, they're trans too. And she said there's a social contagion piece that's going on here. Kind of like that happened with cutting,

kind of what happened with eating disorders before that. And this is social contagion piece. And a lot of people who didn't resonate with that were like, no, that's not my experience, kind of wrote off all her research without realizing like this is actually happening, a social contagion piece. And so from the parent's perspective,

you wanna look at, do you even know what's being taught in your kid's school? You might need to change campuses. You might need to move the family. You might need to unplug for a little bit, go on a camping trip, get the kid in three dimensional space, spend family dinners together, interact more. And this is going to be more of a marathon than a sprint.

And so you don't want to think, okay, what's the perfect word I can say to my kid to convince her she's not trans? No, no, no, this is going to be a bit of a hike. It's going to be a bit of a walk. So learn, research, dive into this stuff so you understand to convince her she's not trans. No, no, no, this is gonna be a bit of a hike. It's gonna be a bit of a walk. So learn, research, dive into this stuff so you understand the terms that she's saying and what that means to her

and hopefully find a good mental health professional as well that can walk with her in this thing and won't compromise Catholic teaching. But at the same time, understand, okay, this is gonna be a bit of a journey together, but we're gonna walk with you on it. So kind of hold onto one hand with reality, one hand to your daughter, and don't let go

of either hand. Mason Hickman Okay. The Transcendental Catholic says, for a child who is already in a situation where his parents are of the same sex, would a civil union, living as brother and sister, be good for the sake of the child? I am not for civil unions, this person is saying. I would not tend to say so. And the reason why I would go in that direction

is because it's perpetuating an environment that is intrinsically not ordered according to what a family should be. If a father is missing because, let's say my wife and I pass away pass away and I'm no longer there. Well, it's a deprivation of a good, but it isn't an intrinsically disordered circumstance. It's just the deprivation of a good.

Whereas when we're introducing two males as parental figures over one child, it's not the way that is created to be. And one thing that I always point out when I'm talking to kids about this and in debating the issue or whatever is that a man cannot replace a mother. Like an army of a thousand men

cannot take the place of a single mother. It's just not possible. And so every child has a right to their biological parents, but not every adult has a right to possess a child. Children are not rights, they're gifts. And so what's happening is we're superseding the rights of the child with the parents. I have a desire to have a child, that's my right.

The children's rights go above that to their parents. And if they don't have both biological parents available to me to introduce a second male is not addition, it's more subtraction. Okay, this local supporter would like to be anonymous and asks, do you agree with dr. Paul McCue's? Characterization of the rise in trans identifying persons particularly youth as a social craze similar to the multiple personality disorder Trend in the 80s and 90s. I know you've addressed this somewhat

But if you want to know I do and in this if you look at the data back when like the DSM 5 was written It was 2013 this you know introduced the topic of gender dysphoria by the name that they gave it in 2013. They show the statistics on how prevalent is this. And so for males, they said the prevalence of gender dysphoria in males is 0.05% to 0.005% to 0.14%, which is like one in like 20,000. And then for the females, it was even lower than that,

0.002%, 0.003%, which is like 150,000 people. Now you look at the numbers coming out of people identifying as trans, and the statistics are anywhere from 0.6% to 3%, which is an astronomical rise of just a decade ago when those statistics were originally released. And so what's going on there is not only more people are identifying as trans, there's this massive inversion

of the sex ratio, where it used to be predominantly middle-aged men and boys, and now skyrocketing females of an adolescent. You don't have a lot of middle-aged women coming out, I'm trans, it's just not happening. It's predominantly adolescent females at this time of cultural chaos. After Instagram came out, social media,

that's typically where we saw this massive spike. And so it is undeniable, the social contagion piece is there. If you wanna just look at the data of it, go look at research Dr. Lisa Littman, or if you want a more popularized treatment of that, just read Abigail Shrier's book, Irreversible Damage. It is one of the best books I read

on the subject of the social contagion piece of this. So this is undeniable. It's not a matter of is this really happening? It's like, this is going on. There was one school over in England I was reading about that a woman was interviewing the different students about the gender craze going on on campus, and there's so many kids identifying a trans non-binary. And then the woman asked her how many girls on the campus now identify as lesbian.

The students said zero. It was way too many. Where did they go? There was no room for that anymore. They were now identifying completely out of femaleness. Sarah Haynes asks, how would you suggest interacting in the workplace with coworkers that promote LGBTQ ideology or are LGBTQ plus friendly?

I don't know what to do when a coworker wants me to use certain pronouns. Yeah, no, I mean, this can obviously be an extremely delicate, difficult situation. So what I try to do is try to build a relationship with that person in terms of a friendship so that they know, hey, this person treats me like a human being.

They like, we get along, we're in the kitchen together, they're friendly to me or this or that. So you wanna build that friendliness so that like, okay, this person doesn't harbor any ill will against me. If it comes to the point where it's like, okay, are you gonna use my preferred pronoun or not? Are you gonna call me they or he or zeer?

Like, are you gonna do this or are you not? What I would try to say is something like this. You know that I love you, you know I care about you as a human being, and I know this subject is really important to you, and I respect that. But I feel that if I were to use that pronoun for you, I'd feel like I'm lying to you, and I feel like I don't to use that pronoun for you, I'd feel like I'm lying to you. And I feel like I don't wanna be dishonest with you.

And I just respect you enough to tell you that I know the world is a big place and it's got a lot of different viewpoints and not everybody sees the eye on this. But I think we can still learn a lot from each other. And even though we don't see the eye to eye on this, and I'm not gonna reject you because of your beliefs on pronouns and gender.

And I am hoping that you won't reject me because my viewpoints are different than yours. I hope we can still learn a lot from each other. And maybe if we take that approach, they might say, okay, I'm taking the burden of like exclusivity off of me and giving it to you. Like you can choose to accept me and be inclusive or you can reject me for my viewpoint.

But I'm not going to reject you because our viewpoints are different. And hopefully if we take that tone, they might be able to say, okay, this person clearly doesn't hate me, they have enough respect for me to disagree with me. Because disagreement isn't a sign of hatred, it's a sign of respect that I can challenge you

on something lovingly. And I think if we try to take that approach, and if it doesn't go well, you know, you can try to avoid the use of pronouns altogether. Possibly that might be an approach in terms of names. And there's different approaches. There isn't like a cookie cutter approach to all this stuff. I mean, if I've got a coworker who's using that name,

they say, well, if you use another name, you're dead naming me. That's the title that would be used for their birth name. And I could see how there could be an active lack of charity of just like, no, you're Robert. Now I'm gonna call you Robert. Meanwhile, the other employees don't even know, what is he talking about? I thought he's a female. There could be a lack of charity of just like no you're Robert now. I'm gonna call you Robert. Meanwhile, the other employees don't even know What is he talking about? I thought he's a female like there could be a lack of charity there

But that I'd approach that differently than if I have a 13 year old girl who says, you know, my name is Robert now Okay. Well this needs to be handled a little bit differently than I'm okay Well, we're just gonna go along and get you a binder and move on with things It's a case-by-case situation in my opinion Okay Suppose you have a situation where you actually have the boss telling you you need to refer to him as her. Is that ever acceptable in your view?

Well, I don't think so. I think that's coarse speech. You know, and you look at what Dr. Jordan Peterson did up in Canada and standing up to the institution there. Like, no, you can't force me to speak a specific way. I can I can be a conscious object of like, I just won't use pronouns in that, I'll use the person's name. Because you'll notice in our conversation, every time I've done your pronoun,

it's you, you, you, because we're having a personal dialogue. I don't have to hop over to third person pronouns because you're in the room, I can speak to you. And so I would say, okay, well, you can't force me to say specific word, that's speech control.

But I can refrain from, if that particular pronoun is a source of distress for my colleague, I don't wish to subject them to any further distress, that, you know, to Bob or whoever the name is, to any further distress. And I can respect that and avoid that word. But you can't force me to use a word. In the end, they can't fire all of us.

Because in my opinion, 99% of the people in the culture really don't buy off on all this stuff. It's just socially expedient to do so. And in terms of economics, I heard a quote once that said, it's hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it. In other words, these corporate executives are not on board with gender theory.

They just know if they're not on board with it, they're fired. And so we got a lot of cowards. And so I think we need to speak up and say, hey, we need to defend the rights of individuals who identify as trans to a workplace that has compassion and love and respect without going to the opposite extreme

of controlled speech for everybody else. It's like the bathroom debate thing. It's like, well, no, you're gonna go in your bathroom and you're gonna go in your bathroom. It's like, well, no, you're gonna go in your bathroom and you're gonna go in your bathroom. It's like, well, wait a minute, time out, is that the answer? Cause like, do you really want a guy who's fully transitioned with surgeries and everything

in the boys bathroom, taking a shower while he fully looks female in front of your boys? Is that really what you're arguing? I guess not. Well, then where do you want him to go? It's like, look, he needs to use the bathroom somewhere. We need to learn how to make accommodations to live in the world together And maybe it means a private restroom or something like that. So we've got to look at it a case-by-case situation

Arulia says does the trans movement rely on a belief in primal? Androgyny thank you androgyny that is that gender is a modification of a fundamentally Adrogynous human nature. Yes In a sense if you're speaking about assigning people sex at birth It's treating everybody like they are all hemaphrodites at birth meaning the generally ambiguous like they were all Sexually ambiguous creatures and gender is something we can simply assign to people or sex you can assign to people. The problem with assigning sex, that whole language,

if sex can be assigned, sex can be reassigned. And that's the language that why it's being adopted. And now the term of assigning sex at birth was typically something only given in extreme cases of when you have genital ambiguity in an infant. And you're not sure, is this a boy, is this a girl? And so in those extreme situations, something only given in extreme cases of when you have genital ambiguity in an infant, and you're not sure, is this a boy, is this a girl? And so in those extreme circumstances,

you'd have these team of clinicians that might work together and quote unquote, assign the sex at birth. Our best guess is this, they're assigning a sex at birth. So from a clinical perspective, that's where that language came from. And then it was hijacked, and now imposed to the entire general population. We're all being assigned sexes.

It's like, well, wait a minute, no, no, no. I wasn't assigned male any more than I was assigned like type A, B blood type. My blood type was not assigned to me by a clinician. It was recognized by a clinician. And so the same way when it comes to our sex, sex isn't something that's signs, it's something that already exists in reality.

And so this is why this has come a lot of this post-modernism philosophy that like, no, language doesn't describe reality, language creates reality. And so that's where a lot of this is coming from, of like, I can not only use words to describe what I see, words themselves can sculpt things into existence by the way we change language.

And so this way, Judith Butler was behind a lot of this, queering the binary, a lot of it had to do with the use of language. And so that, I mean, that's why people have even hopped on the bandwagon of this and identifying as trans race and trans age and that stuff, because they're trying to sculpt reality by harnessing the power of language.

Whereas from a Catholic perspective, when human beings speak, we create sound. When God speaks, things come into existence. It's a substantial ontological difference. And so the trans movement is essentially usurping the power of God by thinking that we can create new realities into existence by our speech. Okay. Wow. Dude, you have done such a deep dive into this and I'm so grateful on behalf of the rest of the church for you having done this. That that takes a lot of discipline to dig into this.

I know for a while when I was speaking primarily on pornography, there would be days. I'm like, I'm just done. I'm just so tired of talking about this. Have you got there yet with this or not? Not even close. I mean because I'm learning so much of this subject every single presentation I do and a kid comes up well, I'm you know, know, this or that, and we sit and we just talk and I listen. And so every day I'm learning more, especially in particular from these kids, from the research that's coming out. And, you know, and thanks be to God,

like I said, in Western Europe, the pendulum is starting to swing back. And so I think we're a little behind the game here in America, but I think things are gonna improve. They might get darker before it gets lighter, but I think on the horizon, there's some hope. And I think the hope is the D-transitioners. So I think there's good things on the way.

Felix says, why are the majority of the public freakouts you see online from transgender people from middle-aged men who have transitioned to female? Sorry, I don't know the terminology. Well, part of it could be, well, what do you get, what do you see online is what they know you're gonna click on? It's click bait.

Oh, here's a guy who just looks crazy and he's screaming at this person. Oh, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Okay, well, what about this well-mannered person wrestling with gender dysphoria who has a thoughtfully, you know, a well-thought out question for a person on a panel to answer, that's not gonna get on 10,000 clicks. You're gonna see the crazy stuff.

I remember seeing an article once, I don't know if it was, I think it was on Fox News or CNN, where it was like the top 10 stories of 2020 or whatever. And I clicked on it, okay. And it turned out those were not the most 10 important stories of the year. They were the 10 stories that got the most clicks. And it was, you know, adultery and murder and theft

and scandal and abuse. And I'm like, really, that was like the most important 10 things that happened in that year. No, what they're gauging it on is what we click on. And that made me look at media in a whole new way. We don't watch what media shows us. Media shows us what we watch. How depressing is that?

The heart is a wretched and wicked thing. We wanna see a dumpster fire. We wanna see that. That's gonna get the clicks. That's why Twitter exists. Yeah, and so that's why we need to unplug a little bit because if the church spent as much time watching transgender headlines,

is like the amount of time we're investing in that. If we actually spent that time talking to individuals experienced gender dysphoria, we'd be so far ahead of the game at this point. But no, we're just clicking, we're just watching. You know, we're not listening. We're not entering, turning off the dumb screen and entering into conversations with people.

Those are the conversations that need to happen because these people are not the caricatures that you see online of these crazy wild, psychotic individuals screaming their brains out. Yeah, obviously those individuals are there and they have probably a lot of distress going on in their life. But I think even they need to be listened to because maybe they're screaming because

no one will listen to them otherwise. What's a story maybe you could share with us from an interaction you've had with somebody who identified as trans at one of your talks? I mean, some of the ones that come out to me the most is like that that boy I mentioned where we started to talk about his, his family and the ache that he was really having was not to be a girl, but just to be loved. I find that to be a common theme for these girls. I find a lot of, cause I'll do the chastity talks and I'll

tell the kids afterwards, Hey, if you guys want to hang out afterwards, I'll be here for you. And gave that invitation to high school in New York. And the kids formed a line seven hours long and they would, and we had to cut the line off to get to the 5.30 p.m. talk, but they would come out and just pour out their hearts, the addiction, the abortion, the molestation, the cutting,

and they would just pour it all out. And when I spoke at the SEEK conference a few months ago, and there's 19,000 college kids there, and I did a breakout on the topic of gender, and many of the college students came up, and they started sharing with me their stories. And what struck me is how unique every story was. Like one guy came to me and said,

yeah, I'm really wrestling with this gender stuff right now. And we just started to kind of walk it back. And he said, yeah, I think it started with my pornography. He said, I started to stumble upon genres of transgender porn that I never knew even existed. And then I found myself kind of like intrigued by what is this? And why am I getting so aroused by this thing that I never sought out in the first place?

And maybe I maybe I'll get to get more arousal by living it out myself. And so he started dressing up in private of the things in the ways that he was saying. And so a lot of this was a porn induced kind of thing that wouldn't have existed before cell phones. Because in order for him to find that genre of porn 20 years ago, I mean, you'd have to take a pretty deep dive into some place to find that stuff. And now it's on every kid's cell phone. And so that was his story.

And so that's why I think it's so important we not take this broad stroke of, oh, it's all social contagion. That's a piece, you know, and trauma is a piece, autism's a piece, like there's all these different parts of the puzzle and everybody's story is unique And that's why we need to listen in order to help them hear words coming from I know a lot of people who are watching right now are gonna feel exhausted with their own sexual sin the

The kind of what was that rotating door, you know of like I'm gonna get better. I'm gonna go to confession I feel better. I fell I got a confession. I feel better. I fell I'm tempted I fell you once shared a story about some Asian priest or Asian brother who dealt with maybe addiction to opioids Oh, yeah, could you share that story? I found that it applies a lot to people who are exhausted Yeah, fed up with their yeah, a friend of mine is always reading saint books and I saw my oh you're reading any good saint books He's like, yeah, I'm read about saints and addictions. I'm like, oh, that's cool Like saints who help people with their addictions and he said no no like the addicted saints and I'm like, oh, you're reading any good saint books? And he's like, yeah, I'm reading about saints and addictions. I'm like, oh, that's cool. Like saints who help people with their addictions. And he said, no, no, no, like the addicted saints. And I'm like, I don't remember reading them

in catechism class, who were they? And he said, well, check out this guy, Saint Mark Zhicheng Zeng from China. This guy was a husband, a father, a doctor, got a stomach ailment. And so he treated himself with a drug that was used at that time, which is opium. And the illness went away,

but then a drug addiction remained in its place. So he goes to confession, hey, father, forgive me. I've become addicted to this drug. And so the priest gave him absolution, some pastoral advice, and he went away, and he went back to the drugs, and then he went back to confession. Addiction, confession, addiction, confession.

Sound familiar? And the priest eventually said to him, now, because you keep going back to the drugs, it tells me you're not really sorry. And so I would ask you to no longer come back to confession until you've overcome this and don't receive Holy Communion anymore. And so the priest just didn't know how to respond

this is a mental illness, you know, an addiction, all that, which is obviously really bad pastoral advice to give, but Mark obeyed him, you know, and he still went to Mass with his family and he was still an upstanding doctor, but secretly in the shadows struggling with this, and then eventually it became known and there was shame there.

And a month went by, I know sacraments, it became a year, 10, 20, 30 years. What's his name again? Saint Mark Ji, which is X-I, Jiang, Jiang, Zeng, which I think J-I-A-N-G, so you can just spell that. So Saint Mark Ji, Jiang, Zeng, Thursday, can pull it up. So yeah, do the Saint Mark and then X-I and they'll come up opium addict. I'll slack just spell that. So St. Mark's Zhu Cheng Zeng, Thursday I can pull it up. So yeah, do the St. Mark and the next sign and they'll come up opium addict.

I'll slack it to you. And so like 30 years go by and he's at the point I was just praying, God just make me a martyr. I can't see any way I'm gonna get to heaven. And so what happened is God answered his prayer for martyrdom and the Boxer Rebellion came into China and they started rounding up and executing Christians. And so he and nine members of his family were dragged off to the place of torture

and death. And his grandson said, I'm like, where are we going? And Mark said, we're going home. And they brought them into the place of torture and they started cutting off all the heads of the members of his family. And he begged the torturers to kill him last so that no one in the family would have to die without him being by their side to encourage them to be faithful to the end. And one by one,

they cut off the heads of everybody in his family until at last he was beheaded as he was singing the litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary. And now he's a canonized saint who died addicted to opium, which is like proof that the saint is the one who doesn't have a mess in their life. They're the one who gives their mess utterly to Jesus Christ. And that's why like good, good priests, the spiritual directional say, you know, the number one thing the devil wants to do after sin is to lose your peace. Do not lose your peace because it's a sign of pride. Like I'm so astonished. I would screw up. I thought

it was, you know, at least venerable material here. And now here I am. That's to sales, right? Keep your peace after a fall. I like to remind myself and other people that we are a delight to Jesus You know and we find that so hard to believe that he loves us that he even likes us Yeah, because we often don't like ourselves Yeah And even our sin when we repent of it is delightful to Jesus because surely it's a delightful thing for the Savior to save No, and God God lets us stumble. I mean like an hour ago

We're just discussing the disorders of sexual development and I botched CIIS with a age and I'm like dog like I know that's a back and forth I totally flopped it and God's like but that's good Humility is good for you. That's good You got all your you got all your answers and stuff and I let you stumble because it's so good for you Receive that be at peace, you know, don't get all worked up I'm like dang it would have been airtight if I had mess up like no no No, you give that to me too You give that to me.

And so he does the same thing with our faults and sins. Like he lets us stumble because otherwise we'll actually think we're independent. Like that's why chastity is not like growing in strength. It's just growing in awareness of your weakness. Of just like, oh wow, like I can do this. I can walk, then you trip. And then like, oh, maybe I need to crawl.

Like now I'm exhausted from crawling. It's like, well, maybe I need to just be picked up and can you just carry me? You know, and that's the ascent of the spiritual life is becoming more and more childlike. I think yeah I mean laws says in dealing with gender ideology advocates or proponents But not those who suffer from dysphoria Is there a sufficient argument that doesn't rely on creationism? The problem being that many people who aren't religious don't want to hear the arguments that rely on a religious worldview.

How do you get atheists from point A to point B on this issue? Well, maybe have a conversation with Richard Dawkins. I mean, here's a guy, obviously not a profound theist, who says no, it is male or female, and that is it. This is not a left or right issue. I mean, I think a lot of people in the trans activist community try to paint this,

is like, oh, you've got the right wing, conservative, transphobic, hate monging bigots over there. And then you have the open-minded people who care about other human beings on this side. It's like, well, not really. I mean, there's a lot of people, you know, even in the LGBT community, who are like, no, this is not leading in a good direction.

I mean, you just look at what's happening. Like, okay, do I have to use a person's preferred pronoun? Well, what about a woman who's been sexually assaulted and she has to testify in court against the man who raped her and identifies as a woman? Are you gonna force that sexual assault victim to refer to her own rapist as she on the stand, are you gonna do that to that woman? You are violating that woman's rights

as if she has not been violated enough. And then you look at what's going on over in England, like, okay, you want this transgender ideology, let's take it all the way. I mean, a guy in just Scotland two weeks ago just got arrested for rape, he was held on trial, but by the time he got to trial, he identified as gender fluid and wants to be put in a female prison, so they put the rapist in the female

prison. You know what's going on there now, almost every state in America has men in female prisons who identify as female. We're getting pregnancies, sexual assaults, even in England the way they categorize crimes is now based on gender identity. And so what that means, believe it or not, the majority of registered sex offenders that are female in England are biological males.

The majority of female sex offenders. And you read the news headlines, woman caught with stash of pornography, woman rapes three children, woman this, woman that, it's all based on gender identity. Am I right in thinking that our tax paying, our tax dollars are going to, in some instances, pay for people's sex change surgeries in prisons?

I'm not sure. I don't want to speak out of turn, but there is legislation underway that these things need to be covered as comprehensive healthcare. I've even seen one, I think the guy was, I don't know if he's a mayor of somewhere in California or someone that worked in the Department of Health over there, referred to double mastectomies as correcting defects. That basically breasts are birth defects if you don't like them. And then it needs to be covered

under comprehensive health insurance. And so it's like, so to people saying, hey, you know, this is gonna go great. Like, well, let's look how it's going around the world. I mean, USA powerlifting just lost a lawsuit like two weeks ago, where they now are being forced to allow men to compete in women USA powerlifting just lost a lawsuit like two weeks ago where they now are being forced to allow men to compete in women's powerlifting events if they identify as female, which means like, I mean,

I can deadlift, my record is 415 pounds. So I could probably take like the Ohio State women's deadlifting record, perhaps. And I will. If I sincerely identified as strength, that's what it's allowing. It's just shattering women's sports. And so you've got women who are not conservative Christians

saying, look, this is the death of women's sports, because what's going on now, I mean, just globally with this, I mean, you look at like mixed martial arts, there's men identifying as women that are just knocking unconscious women. But like in mixed martial arts, like if you miss your weight cut by eight ounces for a championship bout,

you are ineligible to win the title. So you can be a 265 pound man, but if you come in to cut weight and you are 265.9 ounces, you are disqualified from winning the championship belt because you missed weight by more than half of a pound. That's how rigid they are to make sure that this thing is fair. Yeah. But now we have men entering into women's mixed martial arts who identify as female and they're like, we can't say anything there. It's like we've become so open minded our brains are falling out. What are some things you'd like to see Catholics stop saying

or stop doing in this discussion? Stop making a caricature of people who experience gender dysphoria as those are just those crazy screaming lunatics I saw. Anime shirt wearing. Yep that that's who they are. No you know who they are they're sitting next to you on Sunday mass and you didn't even know it. They're in that marriage that's the husband over there. Holding this kid's hands up to communion and he's wrestling with gender dysphoria and you didn't know it because what's he gonna tell you that he's been wrestling with this since he was a kid? No he's not. He's doing his best just to keep it together and hold his family together while trying to be as authentic self and feeling torn in

Two different directions like these are people that are already in the church but they feel invisible and so I think what we need to say to them is like We see you and we know you didn't choose this. This isn't like a I woke up. It's Thursday I'd like to do these things today. This is, you're not a walking abomination to God. You're not constantly incurring the displeasure and wrath of God because you experience gender dysphoria. In fact, he's the only one who's been with you in those dark nights when you didn't even understand

yourself and you felt like nobody would understand you in your family, in your church, in your community, and you're wrestling and you're wondering, should I even, is life even worth living? He was the only one that was accompanying you with that. And the moment you thought that he was gone and he had forsaken you, only he knows the suffering that you're going through.

And so helping them to understand that we want to be able to see you. The church is a place where you can explore these issues and try to navigate through this. And yeah, it's gonna be a little messy. We have a lot to learn as a church on this, we do. Yes, we have ages of ancient wisdom that are priceless and will never change.

But in terms of the pastoral accompaniment for individuals who wrestle with Genesphoria, we got a lot to learn. It's like the same sex attraction thing like 20 years ago. I look at the way we addressed that 20 years ago, and it's like nails on a chalkboard of how much we had to learn to sculpt our language without compromising orthodoxy to be able to speak into this issue.

And right now it's puberty in a sense. Like our voices are cracking, it's awkward, it's gangly, it's gonna be a little clunky. I mean, you write a book like this and I wanna edit it eight minutes later. So it's like the language shifts so quickly. But we just gotta say, hey, look, we're in this together. Church loves you, God loves you, this is your home,

and I'm gonna walk with you. I'm not gonna guarantee I'm gonna understand it all. I won't promise to agree with it all, but I'll walk with you. And I think that's what they want more than anything. What are some good ministries out there helping people? Well, so okay, before I ask that question, you're talking about on one side, don't be characterizing people, et cetera.

What about on the other side where you've got people like Father James Martin creating a ton of confusion and the German bishops and things like that? Like, how does our compassion, we wanna have compassion and truth. So you've just talked about needing compassion. What about those who have compassion and no truth?

Which is- Oh yeah, no, I mean, what you're doing there? I mean, if you've got a ministry, I mean, God bless Father James Martin, but he is not building bridges, he's building a dock. He's essentially constructing 50% of a bridge. In other words, come on in, welcome. You know, here's the door, coming on in.

Okay, it's almost like when a woman is met caught in an act of adultery, Jesus doesn't just say, does no one condemn you? Neither do I condemn you. Let's go on to the next chapter of the Gospel of John. No, no, no, he says, and do not go and sin no more. And I'm not saying gender dysphoria is a sin because it's not.

What we're talking about here is it's not enough to just welcome them in. We're welcoming them into an experience with Christ who knows that none of us are perfectly formed, that we all have our brokenness when it comes to our own sexual identity. What does it mean for Jason and Matt to be men? Am I really living that out as God wants me to be?

Are there some ways that I have some unbrokenness and my own sexuality? We're all in this together. You know, like I said, the church isn't a museum of saints, it's a hospital for sinners. And so I think when it comes to folks like Father James Martin, the analogy gives us building a bridge,

it's only half constructed. You're welcoming them in, but you're not calling them to this deeper conversion when it comes to homosexuality of chastity. And what does that look like? And so I think we need to learn how to interact with these individuals and welcome them. But okay, what does the transformative power

of the gospel look like in that person's life? It doesn't necessarily mean that dysphoria is gonna go away. Sometimes it does. 80 to 95% of the time, at least for the kids, they'll naturally come to identify their biological sex. 80 to 95% of the time. Studies are very clear on that one. When you put them on puberty blockers, cross sex hormones,

that starts to go down for reasons we already discussed. But for some people, it doesn't go away. But to me, it's not a sign that you're not loved by God or that you're less holy because you're wrestling with gender dysphoria. It's kind of like same sex attractions. If our holiness is defined by our attractions, we're all in a mess.

Because like, well, what happened to me when I fly home tonight out of the Pittsburgh airport and I see some like stunningly beautiful woman who's not my wife, is that my identity? Like I'm attracted to a woman who's not my wife, is that my identity? No, just keep on walking. Thank God for making her beautiful, just keep on walking.

Like my attractions are not my identity. And in the same respect, if you have gender dysphoria, a mental illness is not your identity. Don't identify yourself by that. It's maybe a page in your book, but it's not the cover story. And so we all have these things of different vices and virtues and strengths,

and that's not the whole story about you. You got gifts too. You got talents. You have a charism that was entrusted to you. I mean, I remember when we met, what was it, back in England like 20 years ago, and we fostered that friendship. I just saw this thing in you. I mean, I remember when we met, what was it back in England like 20 years ago, and we fostered that friendship, I just saw this thing in you, like you had this it thing,

like this charism that would be used for the building up of the church. I could just see it in you. And I think we've got to help them to see in themselves that God's given them particular gifts. And if they make their whole life the gender dysphoria topic, the whole body becomes the target of intervention, and it ends up missing them out on the opportunity

to develop strategies to address core needs that might even need clinical attention, because the body gets all the attention. I gotta change that part. But it becomes like this endless set of false summits. I did this and it's still not the end. I did this and that's the end. And it just, it's exhausting.

And so we can understand if a person's gone through the first stage of transitioning all the way to last, it could be a harrowing experience to look back at all the ground that's been covered and how do I even go back to that? Where do I even land after all this stuff? That'd be a great title, a series of false summits. That would be a great title for a book. So who's doing this well then, right now? What ministry would you point people to or ministries you like? I think that maybe you haven't researched all of them. Yeah, well, I mean, you've got Eden Invitation, which is a ministry in the church focused more on same sex attractions, but they are addressing this. And, you know, one of the themes

that they talk about is beyond this LGBT paradigm. In other words of like, our initials are not our identity. Our identity is rooted in Christ. And so they're beginning to reach more into that area of ministry. Courage may do some work in this area, personandidentity.com, which I'd mentioned before, isn't so much ministering to the person, but it has content for the families. There are a lot of ministries out there, not many Catholic.

There are many that are secular, that are some that are Christian based. If you go to chastity.com slash gender, we've got links to all of these. And we can't endorse everything that everybody is promoting on all of those things. But the parents going through this are not alone. There are so many parents like, what the heck do I do?

Because it's, what they're being told is this suicide narrative that if you don't, you know, walk along with your kid and transitioning, you know, your kid's gonna commit suicide. But what they don't tell them is after the surgery's over, the suicide rate climbs the 19 times higher than the general population. And if you isolate out the girls to the girl to boy

transition, 40 times higher suicide rate after the transitioning surgeries. And so the parents are sold this narrative, like if you don't go along, your kid's gonna commit suicide, that's pretty powerful stuff. When it's like, here's your option, living daughter or dead son, make your pick. But you look at the data and it's not true at all.

In fact, the girls are more likely to self-harm after going on puberty blockers than beforehand. Like it's not addressing these core needs. And then the surgeries are over and it's like, wait a minute, the problems are still there. And they were never really resolved. And so for the parents, you gotta understand, you're not alone in this.

There's a lot of parents who are out there fighting good legal battles and facing lawsuits, suing, doing all this stuff. They're changing the school boards, they're getting involved in all these different roles in society, saying we will not allow this stuff to seep into our schools. And it's a mess and people are getting fired,

and it's a battle, but you're not only on one of the trenches, and we've got to collectively step in there, not as an act of oppression against trans individuals But in solidarity for love of them because if you love someone you don't deny them the truth we've talked about people who quote-unquote transition and How do they reconcile that if they change their mind and they want to D transition and God bless them? Golly, I just thought about this category of people. What about the parents that went along with the bad advice

the psychologist gave, or maybe even encouraged their child to go down this route, and maybe their child is, from outward appearances, okay with this new lifestyle. How does the parent repent of this, and then how does the parent act towards their child? Yeah, well, I think one thing to have mercy on yourself as a parent, and what I mean by that is you probably were the subject of a lot of misinformation

of thinking what was best for your kid. And you could have and should have perhaps done a better job of forming your intellect to know, hey, this is not the best route to go. But I'm willing to bet that you are at least motivated at a core level of I just wanna protect my kid. And if it means having to go through this stuff, I mean, I've watched interviews with the moms of,

you know, and actually seen them injecting their kids' thighs with these cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers and this, that, and the parents are in tears while it's going on. And they're just sitting, and you can just see them in the doctor's office just being like, this is not the plan that I had for my like, this is not the plan that I had for my son. This is not the plan I had for my daughter.

But if this is what I gotta do to keep this kid alive, then, because you wanna trust your doctor, you wanna trust the psychologist. And if you go to the experts and they're saying, oh, this is the best way to keep them safe. And you've got President Joe Biden to say, parents, the best thing you can do for the health and safety of your kid

is to affirm their identity. That's President Joe Biden. And you got adults who's like, okay, I got to trust the pediatrician. I got to trust the endocrinologist. And they're all saying this. Okay. And then it all hits the fan. And it's like, what the heck is going on? And I've listened to some of the audio conversations. I remember one guy detrans, a female detransitioned and then called up her therapist over the phone and left, I don't know if it was a voicemail or what, but she recorded her conversation

screaming at this woman, how could you let me do this? You let me dance in my delusion and you would not speak the truth to me. Did you even study the effects of this? And the woman was like, no. Did you see what happened long-term on this? Did you do this?

No. Well, what were you telling me? Well, I just wanted you to be your authentic self, just parroting these party lines. And so if you're a mental health professional, endocrinologist, you're a parent, and you've maybe drank the Kool-Aid, and you're realizing, whoa, we need your voice.

We need your voice. We need you to speak up and say, look, I went down that road too, and this is why I wanted to dissuade other parents from thinking that this is the answer. These kids need to be affirmed in their identity, but their identity is not something other than their biological sex.

That's why this language has been hijacked, that conversion therapy is helping a child to bring their mind in alignment with their body. But affirmative care is giving them cross-sex hormones to become a gender other than their biological sex. It's like Ryan Anderson is an Orwellian abuse of language, of the inversion of truth. And so I think these people, hey, admit, repent,

seek forgiveness of God that you made these decisions and let this thing happen, but now you speak up. We need your voice. There's so many young people now just starting this whole process and they need the voices of them. It's almost like you look on your app and you see, oh, there's a 15 car pile up a quarter mile ahead, you know, with icy conditions. Should I keep my pedal to the metal at 60

miles an hour? Maybe I want to start up pump the brakes here a little bit. We already see the buildup that's happened in Western Europe. And that tsunami is about to hit the shores here. What's it gonna look like as the tide turns? Not the tsunami, but as the tide turns, what do you just kind of envision culturally? How will this begin to change? I mean, God willing, I mean, I tend to be more of an optimistic person, but you know, you need it for your job. Like a renaissance of understanding of masculinity and femininity, a broadening of our understanding of what those things mean.

Because to me, the answer isn't to erase sexual differences, or change one's gender or sexual identity. It's more to have a broader understanding. Like, hey, you can be fully male and be into interior decorating. You're still totally a guy. You can be a woman like Sister Dieter Burns in a Colonel of the United States Army

and still mother through that occupation. So we need to rediscover ourselves as a bit and this has been a painful way to do that. I mean, it was Vatican II, VII, God has forgotten, the creature itself grows unintelligible. And so what it means is if we lose sight of supernatural realities, it'll come to the point where we can't even see natural realities.

And if we don't even know what it means to be male and female, and we miss that thing, I mean, the air that will flow from that will be compounded exponentially, like your kid getting a long division problem wrong, and you go back to the beginning, oh, you missed that one digit. And so I think we're needing to rediscover ourselves,

and hopefully we'll see a renaissance of the theology of the body. And hey, I don't know when the dawn is coming. I mean, it might be a pretty long night. It might get pretty dark. People might go to jail, lose some jobs. But for such a time as this, you know, we should praise God that he let us live during this moment of Christian civilization.

And of course, we're dangerously close to quoting Gandalf to Frodo when he says it's not for us to ask. All that's for us to figure out is what to do with the times that have been given us. Yeah, what to do. When I did a talk at Seek, I was talking about the gates of hell not prevailing against the church.

And just pointing out, everyone reads that backwards. Well, you think it's the gates of hell attacking the church, but the gate is a defensive structure. No one gets attacked by a gate. It's the church that's imposing its force upon the gate of hell, and the gates of hell are not gonna be able to prevail or hold back. It's the church that's imposing its force upon the gate of hell and the gates of hell are not going to be able to prevail or hold back the weight of the church. And so it's the church that's marching forward in truth and glory. The victory is

already set in all eternity. And so quit thinking like, oh, the church is under attack, church is under attack. It's like, I'll cut it out. You know, it's like thinking like if you throw like a flashlight at a Tyrannosaurus Rex, oh, the dinosaurs under attack. It It's like, no, no, no, yeah, we're gonna get attacked. I mean, I did a talk on gender in Alaska. Someone spray painted phallic symbols of graffiti all over the church as an act of vandalism before the talk. Priest took it in stride, he said, you know what? He said, in anticipation of Jason coming to the parish,

I had commissioned some frescoes to be painted for the parish, but they didn't turn out quite as I had hoped, so we'll have the Knights of Columbus paint those over, so don't get worried about that. But to me it's just like you're just throwing rocks, you know? But it's like the church is going to win. It is so important that we keep that hope, isn't it? Oh yeah, because you get so discouraged online, just watching all these doom and gloom hell

is going to win kind of stuff against the church, because it's a mess. It is. It's a mess right now You know but God wins also I mean our Lord says when the Son of Man returns will he find faith on the earth and so we have reason to think That the faith will diminish and the darkness will grow before the second coming Yeah, no, and I mean it's it's a Christian teaching that things are not gonna get better and better and better until the end And then he comes once we've got it all together, right. That's not what's in the catechism. Yeah, more and more in my own life,

I'm realizing that when I invest emotional energy into things that I have no control or authority over, I then rob myself and my loved ones of the authority that I ought to have. Yeah. And so just pulling away from refreshing daily wire or listening to Ben Shapiro or if there's anything wrong with those fellows, I'm glad they exist and are doing what they're doing. But it's like, gosh, how long can you keep your head in that toilet bowl? Whereas you're not actually affecting any change by viewing it. I think you feel less alone when you listen to Matt Walsh.

And that's a that there's virtue in that. It's nice to feel less alone, especially if you've just been listening to Disney and you're a university professor. But at some point kind of detaching from that and then reading the word of God and investing in my family. And one thing I do now is I leave my phone and computer at the office at night and then go home because I find I don't have the self-control

to moderate my phone use if it's with me. Now I was talking to a husband and he and I were, this was about a year and a half ago when a lot of stuff was going on with Pacha Mama and Pope Francis, all this like crazy stuff. And you know, we'd be getting on each day and kind of seeing the updates of all this stuff, like what's Pope Francis doing now?

And all of us, the guys, without even talking to each other, just quit listening to that stuff, quit paying attention to it because it was like, okay, where's my spirit after I listen to that? Am I a better husband? Am I a better father after that? Like, what if I knew all of the details of all of the conspiracy theories inside the church,

the deepest rabbit holes of masonry and this, they're like, what if I knew all that stuff is all brought to light? What would I do with that information? Like nothing, like, oh, okay. Now what do I do? Oh, I want to go to my kid's baseball game this afternoon. Like, what if I spent all that time listening

to an audio book on how to be a better dad to my teenage daughter? That would probably be a better investment of my time. And so I'm not saying to put your head in the sand from all the stuff going on in the world, but definitely pull it out sometimes. And be like, you know. But also don't put it in a soiled toilet.

Yeah, and just sit there thinking like, oh, the more bad information I know, it's almost like you want a sense of control over your future instead of an abandonment to divine providence of just like, oh, the more bad information I know, it's almost like you want a sense of control over your future instead of an abandonment to divine providence of just like, you know what, I don't need to know everything going on in the church. I'm gonna pray for the church

because if people prayed for Pope Francis as much as they talk about Pope Francis, then I think that would be a better investment. But there needs to be a both am, there needs to be a balance. But yeah, no, I really concur with what you're saying with how we binge on all the bad news when we just need to unplug

and read True Devotion of Mary and read Introduction to the Devout Life in the way and you'll find yourself and your family is much better off and so will the church be. I think the devil wants to distract you with that stuff because of how much of your life he can eat up with anxiety and this and that. It's like, wow, that was two hours a day

he could have spent Eucharistic adoration or doing this or that and now he didn't because he was too busy chasing after the next scandal in the church. Yeah, I was reading Romans, I think, too, today where he talks about, like, do you think that because you judge, you'll be free of judgment when you do the same thing, that sort of thing? And maybe that is what we have in us.

Like, if there's people out there worse than us that we can keep looking at, then maybe I'll somehow feel more secure as opposed to taking my salvation from Christ. That's why the gossip magazines and TMZ are so powerful and alluring to people because it's like, wow, those people's lives are really dysfunctional. Like, what a mess.

Then you look at your own like, I'm doing pretty good compared to those people. Cause it's like, you know, if you surround yourself with people who aren't living a godly life, you'll typically see their faults and your virtues. But then if you hang out with people who are living a good godly life, you'll typically see their faults and your virtues. But then if you hang out with people who are living a godly life, you see their virtues and your faults, and then you make a lot more progress.

Yeah, here's what I was reading. Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges, for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you the judge practice the very same things. Yeah. The fact, like if you make it, I think, and Thomas Aquinas says this in his commentary on Romans, that when you make a judgment, you're showing that you know the law.

So you can't claim ignorance and you do the same thing. Yeah. I mean, the less you pay attention to your own sins, the more interested you become in the sins of others. Yeah. Yeah. Do you personally find the technology a struggle? Like just personally, like I do with my phone and stuff and putting it away and...

Yeah, no. I did XS90 a while back. And the one thing, I didn't tell the kids I was doing it or anything. And then they just noticed that it was just quieter. You know, that when Dad was having a snack in the kitchen, ESPN wasn't playing the latest dunk by John Moran. Like I just wasn't plugged in. and it's just a quieter place. And I was just, just more present. And so I've definitely tried like this lent. I mean, I got rid of social media except to use it for ministry or whatever, but I'm not scrolling around and looking at this and that I'm just, and it's just good. It's always good to unplugged. Or I was like, wow,

you almost realized how little you needed that in the first place. Rest takes effort. Like rest can be exhausting to get to. It's not the same as dissociating. And a lot of times we, like a challenge I give to people is don't use social media lying down. If you want to use it, use it standing up. And then, but when you lay down, you're not allowed to use it because you're going to use it 10 times as long

if you just sit there and just doom scrolling or whatever forever. But if you're standing up, you quickly realize what a waste of time this is. And so if you're going gonna use it 10 times as long if you just sit there and just doom scrolling or whatever forever. But if you're standing up, you quickly realize what a waste of time this is. And so if you're gonna use it, because what happens is it becomes like a devotional. Yeah. You know, it's just a nightly devotional.

I need to click this and I need to check this and I need to check that. And it's a false devotion. And so use it, but don't be used by it. I wanna do a shout out for Covenant Eyes as well. There's a link that Ryan sent you. I forget, it'll give you the promo code. Oh yeah, and we were supposed to do a shout out for Covenant eyes as well. There's a link that Ryan sent you. I forget. It'll give you the promo code.

Yeah. And we were supposed to do that when we started streaming. Yeah. No, it's 1235. Oh, yeah. We'll wrap up if you could put that link in the description, but people should seriously consider getting Covenant eyes. It's the best filtering and accountability software on the web.

It doesn't just block the bad stuff. It gives you, let's say, as the, a report of where your children go online. And I just think about how my life would be different if when I was a teenager, if I was a teenager and my dad said to me, hey, I saw that, and not even pornography. If he said, I saw that you were on ESPN or whatever, you'd be like, ugh, what else will they see?

People are seeing this stuff. What happens online is not less real than what happens offline. And I'll do that with my kids. Like, hey, I noticed, we playing a game of chess? Because here's the other thing with Covenantalize, it takes screenshots of what you're viewing

and it can determine whether or not something might be pornographic and sends an extremely blurred image to your computer. Yeah, and you can de-blur it if you want to say, okay, is that what I think it is? Oh, good, it's not. But I think what's good about Covenantalize is it kind of, it trains your children

in responsible internet use. I mean, I'm increasingly open to the argument that we could throw our children in a bunker and just ignore the world while it burns. I'm joking. But I do think it's perhaps more mature to sort of say, okay, how do I help my children navigate the internet landscape?

And I think that's where CovenantLize comes in. Yeah, it's a relational tool more than just a technological AI tool. and navigate the internet landscape. And I think that's where CovenantLize comes in. What do you? Yeah, it's a relational tool more than just a technological AI tool. Cause a lot of people just want to set it and forget it. Oh, I got the filter, we're good. It's like, no, no, no, this is supposed to foster conversation.

And so that's the idea behind this. And it's not like, okay, we're going to know what you're looking at online. It's like, well, no, you can know what I'm looking at line too. Because the idea that I have with my phone is that there's, you know, that little screen mirroring button

I can click that and my cell phone shows up on the living room TV I want to live like that's always on so that at any moment Whatever I'm gonna my screen could just be broadcasted to the entire family and a kid can take Okay, if I know that any day of the week if my kid wants to ask for my cell phone dad Can I use your phone to do a calculator? Here you go. You know, they know, I just hand it to whether, oh, you need to use it, you want to take a picture of this, you want to text your friend, but boom, boom, boom. There's just this availability.

And yeah, like, like go look, you're not going to find anything. And it's just like, wow, dad is so free with his phone with us. I guess I need to have the same type of freedom and handing it over to him anytime he asks as well. And so it has to be a mutual thing. Otherwise it's like big brother staring on you

and they're just gonna try to find new ways to get around the next filter. But that's where Covenant Eyes is great. It builds that relationship opportunity. Yeah, I'm terrible at remembering promo codes. Is it Matt Fradd or Fradd? Try both if you go to covenanteyes.com right now. Covenanteyes.com backslash brad one.

Like the new number one. Yep. Go there. We'll put a link in the description and you'll get 30 days for free when you try it out and then you can decide if you want to keep it after that. Covenant eyes, man. It's good. Good stuff. All right. Well, we should probably wrap up and get you this talk so you can speak to my son about porn and stuff.

Yeah. Well, since we're live, we'll ask all the viewers, please pray. We're just driving to do a high school assembly here in 30 minutes, a couple hundred high school kids coming to the gym. We'll do an hour and a half long chastity talk for all them. So always one prayer. Let's do that right now. I'd love to just offer a Hail Mary.

We've got almost 500 people watching. So if all of us could offer a Hail Mary together for Jason and all those that he's about to speak to. In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen. Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Now, look, I said that we were going to put that link up because if you're just

joining the live stream, I'm going to buy 200 and how many are buying 250,000 copies. 250,000 copies. So I'm going to buy 250 copies of this book and I'm going to. And what we're going to. So the reason I'm not going to announce it now is I just want to make sure we've got the link right. And but I'll pin that link to the top of this video and I'll explain how to get a free copy

of this book. We just ask that you please just buy one and that you let this book collect souls, not dust. So read it and then and then give it away. And then if they want more, they can get them in bulk and like five bucks a piece.

Yeah, fantastic. And it's not just this book you have. We I mean, we have everything that book forge that you and I did together. Yeah, fantastic. And it's not just this book you have. I mean, we have to have everything that book forge. You and I did together. Yeah. That a lot of people have said that that's been really helpful to them. Yeah. We give it out at every high school assembly to the boys. Is it the link you posted on locals? Yeah. Yeah. But then I also talk about the promo code in there, but don't don't

announce it yet because I'm gonna screw it up. But there is a promo code that I put it to. So today, do you have those books to give away? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Every assembly, we give away hundreds of them to the high school kids. Thank you for being you, Jason Everett. Fantastic. I was going to buy him anyway. I have to give him away. I don't think that's true. Yeah, I want to talk about that book real quick.

That's called Forged. This is something you did the bulk of this, not me. And I'm glad for that. I just use you for your looks. Yeah. Well, it was a little book I wrote for Life Teen. Yeah. Initially, I wrote a book for Life Teen and Life Teen. We're going to get rid of it. They were kind of publishing anymore because people don't look at porn anymore.

Yeah. And you took all of that text and then you put it. You forged it into this 33 day exercise. And we created free videos. So you text on day one to join, text the word forged, 66866, then every day for 33 days, you know, day one is me, then you, we have Father Mike Schmitz, Father Jacques Philippe. I mean, we've got all these amazing,

yeah, Sister Miriam, Mother Miriam, just so many different people from not only like psychology, but spirituality, theology, pastoral, like to really get to the roots of this stuff and find healing and freedom. So that's the idea. That's bloody fantastic. And guys are supposed to do it together too.

Don't just go Lone Ranger, find a group of guys. And that's why you sell them in two packs, right? We will not sell one at a time. We want to force you into fellowship. That's wonderful. All right, so please everybody go check out chastity.com. Jason has fantastic resources over there, books, CDs. Have you given a talk on transgenderism

that's been recorded yet? Oh yeah, yeah, it's on YouTube. My seek talk is there. Just go to, just check. We're gonna link to that. Yeah, just go to chastity.com, or no, go to youtube.com slash Jason Everett and the talk I gave there.

It's just a 30 minute presentation, but yeah, we're giving it at universities all over the country now and parishes every single week. We're getting requests for it. So, all right. Thanks everybody for being here. Do us a favor. Like thumbs up. Subscribe before this channel gets taken down by YouTube, which probably will have an after this video. And so if you would like to please follow us over on Rumble and please follow us over at matfrad.locals.com so that when if YouTube does take us down,

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