Pints With Aquinas - The Church Crisis No One’s Talking About, and How We Win (Bishop Athanasius Schneider) | Ep. 563

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

In a rare virtual episode His Excellency Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Maria Santissima in Astana, Kazakhstan joins Pints With Aquinas host, Matt Fradd, to discuss his private meeting with Pope Leo XIV, the war on the Latin Mass, Europe's demographic transformation, and why young people are flooding back to traditional Catholicism. His Excellency delivers powerful and unflinching analysis of the Catholic Church's current crisis while offering profound hope for the future. Ep. 563 - - - 📖 Books mentioned: Salve Regina: https://a.co/d/90GoKV6 Catechism of the Catholic Church: https://a.co/d/8pkyg64 A Man for All Seasons: https://a.co/d/gQDTtPJ - - - Today's Sponsors: Charity Mobile:Visit https://charitymobile.com/MATTFRADD to get started. Catholic Match: Download the app or head to https://CatholicMatch.com and find your forever. PrayR Group: Buy your chaplet today at https://chaplet.shop. The first 500 orders get a St. Joseph chaplet free. Limited time only. St. Paul Center: Join the Bible Study movement alongside a global community. Sign up today at https://stpaulcenter.com/pints PreBorn: Make a difference for generations to come. Donate securely online at https://preborn.com/PINTS or dial #250 keyword 'BABY' - - - Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe 🍿 The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin is here. Episodes 1 & 2 are now streaming exclusively on DailyWire+ - - - 📕 Get my newest book, Jesus Our Refuge, here: https://a.co/d/bDU0xLb 🍺 Want to Support Pints With Aquinas? 🍺 Get episodes a week early and join exclusive live streams with me! Become an annual supporter at 👉 ⁠⁠https://mattfradd.locals.com/support⁠⁠ - - - 💻 Follow Me on Social Media: 📌 Facebook: https://facebook.com/mattfradd 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/mattfradd 𝕏 Twitter/X: ⁠https://twitter.com/Pints_W_Aquinas⁠ 🎵 TikTok: ⁠https://tiktok.com/@pintswithaquinas⁠ 📚 PWA Merch – ⁠https://dwplus.watch/MattFraddMerch⁠ 👕 Grab your favorite PWA gear here: https://shop.pintswithaquinas.com - - - Privacy Policy: ⁠⁠https://www.dailywire.com/privacy⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is orchestrated very clearly by powerful political elizabeth. with a special concrete agenda to de-christianize Europe. What advice would you give to young married couples? We need Christian families with children. This is the future of the church. Your Excellency, thank you so much for being on the show. You're welcome. Let's just jump into it.

In your book, Christus Vincert, you speak about four great crises in the history of the church. First, the Aryan crisis in which a great number of the world's bishops collaborated with the heresy of Aryanism. Second, the dark age of the 10th century when the papacy was occupied by, as you say, deeply immoral Roman clans, families. And third, the Avignon exile, which led to the great Western schism and severely damaged the church, contributing to the Protestant revolution. And finally, you talk about the crisis that we're living through today. So my question for you is what is the crisis that the church is currently undergoing and what should be done about it? Yes, I think basically the crisis, the roots is the relativism, the crisis of the truth. As Pope Benedict the 16th, as a cardinal Ratzinger, he coined the expression, the dictatorship of relatives.

but he was meaning it in the secular world. And this is true since the modern times, but especially in the 20th century. And so, but these so-called relativism crept in, infiltrated the life of the church in a visible manner, recognizable since the council, partly in texts, in our lives. affirmations which were objectively reading ambiguous. So you could interpret it in different senses. And this is already a manifestation or a, I mean, it's easing to leading to a relativism. And so it was, after the council since 60 years, this attitude of relativism, that truth is not constant, that truth is changing,

according to the historical context or the historical fashions. It is really now happening in the church in so many levels, in doctrine, in morals, in liturgy. And this I consider as the deepest root, to the problem, the crisis. When we speak about a crisis, like also a sickness,

a physician, a doctor, he must not only make a constatation, a diagnosis, but he must go deeper. What are the causes? And then to heal it. And so the same we must do in our time. But another route

which I would characterize the current crisis is the, I would say, the naturalism. This is an attitude which was already present in the history of the church, in the so-called Pelagianism. It was the heresy of Pelagius against whom St. Augustine was fighting until the end of his life. It was an attempt to reduce the entire meaning of Christian life to nature simply. So to the fact to abolishing the supernatural of the grace and diluting grace simply in nature. So we are simply on this temporal order. And so this is also we can perceive it as a very visible characteristic of the current crisis,

this so-called new Pelagianism. I would say even a Pelagianization of the church. That means that all the issues of nature. of temporal order, like climate, migrants, and so on, are put on the primary order to the harm of the eternal values and the eternal truth of the life of the soul in grace. And this is our crisis. I would say these two roots. the relativism regarding truth itself and the pelagianization of the life of the church. Thank you. And what do you think can be done about it?

Maybe advice you might have for priests who are watching and laypeople? Yes. First, we must be again convinced that truth is in itself unchangeable. The same as mathematics truth is unchangeable. No one will concede that in mathematics you can change it. At least those who have some money in their bank account, they will never concede it. They will change. And the creator of the loss of nature and mathematics, let us say,

is God. And the same creator, he has created and revealed us supernatural truth, who is the more unchangeable. As Christ himself in the Holy Scripture says, Christ is the same yesterday, today, today, and forever. And this is also the true liberty and freedom which human, the human spirit. He discovers when he says, I discover the truth, which is always the same. This gives me a foundation. It gives me strength.

It gives me conviction. It gives me freedom. It gives me happiness. Only truth can guide you to happiness. And therefore, St. Augustine, who went through in his life, we know, St. Augustine's through many errors of intellect. He was a Manichean in a sect, and then he was doubting and so,

but he found really then the truth and he coined this beautiful expression, Gaudium Veritatis in Latin. It means my joy in the truth. And this will be all eternity. What will be our happiness in eternity? see the truth, the unchangeable truth which will be unending for us. And now here on earth

God gave us the unchangeable truth which are valid forever. Like you see the same is in love. We are created for love and every human being who really loves someone he wants that this love will not end. that this love will not change tomorrow. But love is also truth. When you laugh truly, we say truly loving.

So love and truth us inseparably. And therefore, the same as we don't want that the truth of my love will change. And tomorrow, we say, now we change the time and I can love you in another way, lesser or laugh you beside others and so on. This is impossible for a true marriage, for example, or a true love between the couple and so on. Look, are you tired of sending your money every month to a phone company that doesn't share your values?

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We see, therefore, we must again regain the truth of that the truth is unchangeable. Of course, we can discover ever more the beauty of the truth. This is true. We can grow. And this is the task of our Christian faith that we discover the depths, the beauty of the truth. But not that this is changed. It is simply, it becomes more beautiful, even more stable. And this is the first.

And then the second, I would recommend to all the priests or the who assist not to forget for which aim we were created. We were created for heaven, really, for eternal happiness. And this is only we can achieve it in a life of supernatural life. You see, today, and it is normal, there are many concerns for health, for our bodily health.

Yes, okay, this is good. And people are sometimes even in an exaggerated way. Of course, this is possible. But our body will in any way end. And we will die, and it will dissolve in dust. So this is a fact who no one can deny. But even though for this short and corruptible corporal life,

we take so much care. But our soul is immortal. Our soul is created to the image of God and to the likeness of God. and we have the destiny to the eternal life this God in the Holy Trinity, later together with our body after resurrection, but now in our soul primarily. And this is the most important issue here on earth.

This is the first task and the mission of the church to transmit the divine eternal life in the souls. that we can already live here with God in a supernatural way, grace. And these two points I would like to stress. Beautifully put, thank you. I'd like to move on to talking about the Latin Mass. His holiness, Pope Leo, recently convened an extraordinary consistory of cardinals in January,

which is the first of his pontificate and the first full gathering of the College of Cardinals since his election. Liturgy was reportedly part of the agenda, I haven't been following this closely, so I know you, I don't think you were present, but have you heard anything about what was discussed? And how do you see those conversations shaping the church's liturgical life moving forward, especially regarding the Latin Mass? Well, first I have to say, I had an audience, a private audience with Pope Leo on the 18th of December. And I spoke with him about the issue of the traditional Latin Mass. Thank you.

I encouraged him to promote or to give us the liturgical peace in the church with a specific peaceful coexistence of both forms. It is just an issue of justice and peace. and it's it it um i was perceiving that he was very carefully listening and showed towards me understanding and then he said to me himself that he said i convoked a cons history for january where there will be spoken on this issue the pope told me this in december but apparently And in facto, it was not done at this time because of shortage of time. I understand there was one and a half day. And they preferred the cardinals to speak on evangelization and synodality,

which I lament that they did not take the issue of the holy liturgy and of doctrine. I think that this should be done first. Because how we can evangelize, when there is such a confusion regarding the truth regarding the doctor, what we shall preach. When there is within the church an enormous confusion regarding the basic truth that Jesus Christ is the only saver, It is the only way established by God explicitly for all humankind, without exception,

for the Jews, for the Muslims, for all. The only way that God established and explicitly commanded to follow, it is so clear. So we must, of course, we must transmit it with love and with respect for all people, but we must do it. This is the first truth, and this is so much confused in the church. Then the other truth regarding the moral law, how we can convincingly preach to non-Christians' gospel,

when we in the midst of the church promote some, there as bishops and priests and so on, promote a moral relativism, saying that basically the Sixth Commandment of God is not more to observe. Yes, when we are honest, this is, when they say promote that divorced people can go to communion in spite of their living in an objective, adulterous union, in spite of their valid marriage first, then we are de facto undermining, denying the indissolubility of marriage and the holiness of the Eucharist.

An example. Or to promote the LGBT agenda, it's so much in our life in the church at this day. Even in the Basilic of St. Peter, they were doing last September a kind of gay march with these organizations in the Basilica of St. Peter

and it was tolerated by the Vatican. So, or the document, the so-called to bless same-sex couples. It is, and they're saying that it's not the couples, but the persons, but the title is blessing of same-sex couples, the title itself says, but then they explain it is not couples, but it's the same as we say, I will, there is a bicycle with two wheels, but I am not blessing the bicycle, but these two wheels.

This is really trickery. It's an insult to our reason for intellect. That's only some examples. But this is not addressed. I repeat, how we can promote the gospel and preach the gospel to non-Christians when we in our life of the church promote such an enormous relativism

and contradiction. And then, now I will conclude, this would be the first that they had to address to clarify the main points of doctrine before we evangelize.

Second, The second task or even it would be the first task of the church but in order would be the second to worship. We must again reform the worship that it is really Christocentric and not anthropocentric as it in the most cases in the life of the Catholic Church in our day with the modern liturgy. It is, and this only when we put God and Christ in the center, in the mood and manner of our worship, the liturgy, then it will attract really other people to the truth because the truth itself is attract. So ambiguity is not attracting at all. For ambiguous things, no one will give your life. You will not give your life for an ambiguous thing.

And therefore, I think it should be done, hopefully for the next consistory which the Pope convoked for June, these two issues, the clarity in doctrine to clarify and then to establish really the liturgical peace in the church, giving the full citizenship to the traditional form of the liturgy. Yeah, couldn't agree more. In a recent interview with Elise Ann Allen of Crux, Pope Leo observed that debates over the liturgy have become increasingly polarized. Now, in your view, I think I already know the answer, but if I'll ask you anyway, have the restrictions placed on the

Latin Mass under Pope Francis contributed to this polarization or helped to ease it? And what do you think a genuine path towards unity on liturgical questions should look like? Exactly, it is proven, it is a fact that the document traditionalis custodes from Pope Francis, which he very strong limited to the use of the traditional Latin mass, even increased the polarization. Benedict the 16th, he gave this peace and it was quite peaceful, but then probably a clan of clerics and bishops and cardinals who had another agenda who hate what is holy and traditional simply. They put this new agenda to fight against it. They started with the Zedosunas custodis, the war against the traditional liturgy.

And by this, how do you say, putting on the margin, marginalizing so many good Catholics, young families, young people. And so, therefore, I think the contrary. When Pope Leo would, again, give really freedom to the traditional liturgy, the same rights and dignity. as the novus ordo, they will coexist peacefully and develop and grow. Yeah, excellent. I'd like to move on to the topic of Islam. There's a growing concern about the Islamification of parts of Europe, especially as Christian culture and religious freedom appear to be in retreat.

From your perspective, what do you see as the genuine dangers of this trend? And how should Catholics respond in a way that upholds charity towards migrants while also defending Christian faith culture and social order? But first we have to say that this movement of the immigration of overwhelmingly Muslim population to Europe, it is since decades it is orchestrated very clearly by powerful political elites by the European Union

with a special concrete agenda which is ultimately to de-christianize Europe which already started before of course and with the help of the presence of Muslim population there.

And they are growing, there are more children and so on. And they are already introducing in Europe, in Germany, in France, in Italy, in those schools where it's a considerable presence of Islamic students or pupils, they're already introducing the prescriptions partly of the Islamic religion, on food, on the Ramadan, and so, and in public life also, they already in our Germany already starts now to engage and to appoint imams

as so-called chaplains for the army. This is, we see this is a systematic Islamization, but with one very concrete aim to decrease Christianize Europe. Of course, these people are not guilty. They're simple people. They come to Europe. They want a better life or more the same in these states, economically and so. But they are bringing their convictions very strong on their. religion and

this is the danger for us to lose to weaken the Christian tradition and heritage especially in Europe and therefore I think we must the politicians must also defend it and when to help better economically to those

Islamic countries economically so they don't need to emigrate to Europe and this is not done and so we see this is a concrete political agenda but we have to know the history of Islam

and the essence of the Islamic religion because it is clear that for believing is a Muslim who really knows the Quran and the Sharia law. The entire world consists in two parts. In the Muslim, the house of the Muslims, they say, and the other which is not Muslim. And the aim is to transform the entire world in the house of Islam.

Islam of the true religion. This is the aim and we must bear in mind it. And then when it was always proven and we have not to be so ingenuous and naive that where Islam arrived to political power of course they started to implement the law of Shadhi. in which the non-Islamic population were a kind of second class, or at least really not the same rights as in an Islamic country.

Even we can see this in the Near East and in other Islamic countries. So this is the fact. And therefore, the politicians in Europe and the United States must be, the Christian countries, must be watchful. vigilant to really we can accept them but in a balanced manner not in a mass but to really to examine every case when it's really a necessity for this family even it is a Muslim Islamic family but then to to ask them really to integrate in the culture Christian culture, not to become Christians, but at least to respect to integrate in their style of life. They can practice their religion.

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I've recently returned from the Fellowship of Catholic University students' annual Sikh conference. This year they drew more than 26,000 attendees across three US cities, which set attendance record and marked a 24% increase over last year, which is terrific. So my question is, what in your estimation is causing this? surge of conversions. And then also, what advice do you have to new Catholics who are watching this interview? Yes. I think that it is the thirst for truth. A young people, there are already, I mean, this life, the modern life, the so-called culture, the modern culture, which I say and culture since decades, this permissivism and this relativism, the young people are losing

any foundation beneath their feet and any security. And it's contrary to our nature, especially young people then who are serious, they want to have to be sure, have a security. When you are not sure, you cannot build up a family, you cannot build a family, you cannot build up relationships. And this is, I think, a desire, a deep desire of the younger generation, which are already in some way worked with all these relativisms in moral and in truth. And they desire, because it is got inscribed in our soul, in every human soul, the desire

for clarity, for security. security or beauty in truth. And this is so important. I think this is one of the causes which attracts so many young people now, as you told, either the conversions to a Catholic church and now this participation in these conferences which you mentioned in the States.

And also in Europe, we can observe it, yes. ever more, a younger generation, special, a male generation, man, young man. They are organizing in Europe, I have some context, really with good YouTube channels and programs, very solid on apologetics, on Christian values. And this is for me a sign of God. God is not abandoning us. In midst of this crisis and confusion, there is also lights and hope. But when they come, I would say, deepen your knowledge of truth.

There is so a huge treasure of the Catholic truths in 2000 years. such a treasure, please read it. The Church Father, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, and other excellent writers, which we had in the history, only to mention Chesterton, Hiller Ballock, and the other great, your American excellent bishop Fulton Sheen,

who will be, I heard probably this year, beatified finally, and other great thinkers, sane with sane mind and sure, this I would recommend, please use this and read, read the good old catechisms, which are crystal clear. Then you have really a foundation. And then also read examples of martyrs, for example, of, you know, of, you. good heroic figures in the history of the church, but to forget Thomas Moore. Here's an example.

A man for all seasons, I mean, who was firm, and other the examples which we can enumerate. So there is a lot of beautiful heritage which you can use. and then my second advice will be besides the knowledge to improve your knowledge on the faith and on the Christian culture also a Christian life try to lead a serious Christian moral life because this gives you happiness

and then we have these great privilege to Catholics that we have the sacrament of penance, of confession. What a gift of God for our meekness. Of course, we must desire to live a good moral life, but in spite of these, people are still weak. But then they have this beautiful gift of our merciful Father, the sacrament of confession. The more you use it, the more you use it,

the more you will progress and grow in your Christian life, in your maturity. And then, of course, inseparably linked to the Holy Eucharist, really be attached to it and you will see how happy you will be. And then to conclude, the third, dear young people, we need so much urgently good family good families. Found good families. Pray to God that he will send you a good, really Christian wife. And the girls are good husband.

We need Christian families with children. This is the future of the church. And from these families, we will have good priests. And so this is the hope of the church, so will the church will be renewed, gather the world and the church. Amen. Beautiful advice. Now, you have written a beautiful little book, which I bought a couple of months ago and have been really enjoying.

It's a book of meditations on the mysteries of the Holy Rosary called Salvei Regina. I highly recommend people pick it up. My question is, what advice and encouragement would you offer to those who have never prayed the rosary before? or who wonder why this prayer is so powerful and wondering about incorporating it into their daily life. Yes, because it is evident. The rosary consists of, I would say, divine prayer simply. It is not human. You imagine, you repeat divine words, our Father in heaven, it's divine directly.

Hail Mary, it's from heaven. St. Gabriel spoke this. and then only the last pray for us as seen as this is so important and then glory to the Father this is the synthesis of the entire Christian faith Holy Trinity with only this glory

to the Father, the Son of the Holy Spirit you profess the entire Christian faith in a shortest synthesis you see and this in this from these prayers mainly basically consists the prayer of rosary you repeat it like the Psalms are inspired by God

and there are Psalms because some people say why we have to repeat it, it's not biblical. It is biblical. Take the Psalm 135 there is always repeated the same because he is merciful because every verse

so you repeat 30 times the same and this is inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore we need these like children repeats oftentimes their prayers their petitions to the parents

so please pray this in a spirit of children as our Lord say when you will not be like children you will not come to the kingdom of heaven and then our Lord gave us several examples like this widow

she is coming and knocking and repeating her petitions and then the Lord grand is and the so is the Rosary we repeated his faith and also to repeat the same prayer which is from heaven

Hail Mary it is always also giving you calm in your soul it is calming you can really say even so I repeat it's not necessarily an intellectual prayer in first place

it's a prayer of your soul so you repeat it confidently and take this mystery this truth let us say Christ incarnate it so it's such a beautiful

truth you can repose on it praying 10 times hell Mary and so on so therefore and besides this our lady several times came to admonish us

to give us this advice as a good mother in Lurt in Fatima and asking us, begging us her children, please pray this prayer. It's so simple. Even it's a prayer for

unalphabets who cannot read and is the prayer of the simple one and God loves the simple one with the simple prayer God grants so many graces. The Holy Scripture says to the humble one

God grant braces and we have in the history so many proven even miracles with the prayer of rosary therefore

I would recommend those who do not know please try to little by little start to pray it maybe one decade and meditate

on one of the beautiful mysteries of our redemption then two decades and so on increase and you will see that gives you so many graces and peace and then you can concretely link with the prayer of rosary a concrete intention for what you want to pray and we have so many intentions in our families, in our friends to pray for him for him

but it must be prayed with perseverance, not only one day perseverance. When you pray perseverantly for a longer time, rosary for a concrete intention, then God will grant you. Beautiful. You mentioned the importance of good Catholic marriages earlier. What advice would you give to young married couples

who are trying to build a faithful, stable marriage in a culture that often works against permanent sacrifice and openness to life? Yeah, well, I would say to these young people, you will enter in a school of love. And don't forget, it is a school you must learn every day. But it's so beautiful to learn love. And always to, it's so important for a good relationship for husband, to use lesser I, lesser. to sing more

you this helps it must be learned and then really I would say young couples when you conclude your marriage for the first day the sacrament

ask the Lord the grace that we increase every day in love for one another you cannot say we have already laugh it's more emotional all the good

couples who are now already aged they say yes the true love started later when there were troubles when there were some difficulties there started the love the true love and so therefore i would say ask the lord in the day of your wedding the grace that your mutual love really increase every day together with the love for god increase And then also, when you will have children, when the first child comes, ask both, let us increase our true love for this child and for the next and for the next. With every child, your heart will open more. And of course, not the last, not least, the center of your home, if your love, is Christ. He is the center.

and then have nothing to fear. Dear couples, when you put God really in the center of your home, of your love. Beautiful advice. We live in a time when Catholics can follow church news 24 hours a day, often in real time. And a lot of the news is confusing and frustrating and alarming. What would you say to Catholics who find that constantly consuming church news, is robbing them of their peace, their prayer life, and they're trusting God. And they're just sort of becoming sad and sour and negative.

Yes, I would say it's not necessary to follow continuously with church news. I mean, our ancestors and the people led us in the Middle Ages, and even until 100 years, there were no internet, never no television even. and even 100 years very early radio. And the people lived very happily as Catholics. They had friends. They did a lot of good works. Have time to do works, good works, to help the others,

to raise children, to develop culture and so on. And so I think this addiction to the news, it's not so healthy. I would say moderate it, moderate it. And then when you hear some negative news, then it's for your occasion to pray for, let us say, for this priest, bishop, even for the pope, for the holy see. Yeah, I will pray. And then will God intervene.

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honest. When you really believe in the church, that the church is divine. And The Catholic Church is the only church which God found it here on earth. It is really. When you believe as a Catholic, then you can never abandon the church. It is a grievous sin against faith. So you have to be honest and humble to examine your faith. I have a very weak faith. A true Catholic will never abandon the Catholic Church.

You cannot because first, you are baptized and you have an indelible mark of baptism, you are incorporated in the mystical body of Christ. How you can abandon Christ, the mystical body of Christ? It is the Catholic Church. And then the church is our mother. You see, when so saying that the crisis of the church, of course, Of course, it's very grievous. There's no one can deny it.

But let us say our mother church is now in some way tied up her hands. She's humiliated by her own children, sons, priests and so on, clergy. then I will not abandon her when she is in when my mother is in the house in need. I will not abandon the house and say, oh, these, my other brothers, they are behaving bad towards my mother. They're doing crazy things. No, I will remain. And I will say, I will remain. I will defend the Catholic faith.

in spite of all these, no? As you know, this sympathetic story which is known with Napoleon, when Napoleon arrested the Pope, Pius the Sevens, and brought him close to Paris to domestic arrest in the castle of Fontainebleau. And then sometimes Napoleon came to demand from the Pope some signatures, and the Pope denied it.

because it would harm the church. And one day when Napoleon was in the height of his power in Europe, he came again to the Pope and started to ask him something which would be bad for the church harmful. And thanks be to God, the Pope resisted and did not accept it. Then Napoleon became furious and started to shout and threaten and saying, I will destroy the church.

And then on the side of the Pope was a cardinal, Cardinal Consolvi. And a cardinal said to Napoleon, your eminence, your majesty, what we tried to do until now and did not succeed, you will not succeed. This is very good. Thank you. Yes, this was historical fact, yes. and we have not done not to forget it

so even and therefore when we love the church we will never abandon we will stay and say now with my fidelity what I have the catechism so I stick to this I have the sacraments

I have the Eucharist I have our lady the rosalie so I have not to go to the Protestants not to go to the Orthodox because I know my Catholic faith and for these Catholic faith I'm ready to give my life for Christ, for the truth. And therefore, I will encourage these Catholics to examine their position again,

and the true Catholic will never abandon his mother when she is in trouble. This has been so lovely to talk to you. I have one final question. You spoke earlier about one sign of hope is young men who are defending the faith and so on. Let's take one more swing at this, though. In the midst of all of this confusion and all the challenges in the church today, what are some other signs of hope that you see that give you confidence in the church's future? Yes. Besides this new movement, as we mentioned now, with young people and especially young men,

also there is a movement with young families. I'm seeing all over the world, God is awakening young families serious or educated children even large families which large a number of children this is really the hope and also slowly in some

countries I can observe even non-Christians non-Christians become Christians even from the Muslimic background in Europe, for example

in France, this is also a sign of hope. And also, I would say, young seminarians, the younger generation of seminarians almost all over the world, they instinctively

they desire tradition. Solitaire. doctrine and they have the desire of the traditional liturgy. It's so growing now and the young priests also even though in spite of they are

repressed in some way in their seminaries and by their bishops, nevertheless it is growing. And this gives hope and when the so-called old generation will die out

we have this young generation of seminarians and priests who then hopefully will become some of them bishops with this attitude and this is the hope glory to Jesus Christ your excellency it's been a pleasure to talk to you today thank you for taking the time you are welcome God bless you and your apostolate thank you

goodness is falling upon this land these brothers are only hope to stand again It's against it. Not our only hope. We need you, Merlin. Merlin. Merlin was a myth before a father was even born. Merlin slew 70 men with his own hands.

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