Pints With Aquinas - TikTok, Dating Advice, and The Latin Mass w/ Amber Rose ( @The Religious Hippie )

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

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And there's no intros, it's just hi. Hi. That's it. It's nice to have you. Thank you for having me. Is it Amber Rose is your middle name or do you? So Amber Rose is my first name. So it's like St. Ambrose and my parents just like split it up.

So Michelle's my middle name after my grandma and also St. Michael. So if you were a boy, were you going to be Ambrose? I mean, my dad wanted to name me Gertrude. That's a great name. We need to bring back those names. Gertrude. I thought it was actually kind of cute because like Gertie is like such a cute nickname for like a girl.

And then my mom was like, we're not doing that. That's not happening. Can you think of a name that you think won't come back? Because it feels like 20 years ago, if you had have told me that Agatha was coming back, I would have been like, it's not coming back. But now I'm glad it exists. Neil doesn't like the name. I'm gonna say Mildred. I'm surprised. It's back to Mildred I like Mildred. I think Millie's a cute name But then it's like Mildred is like you you graduate to that name when you turn 50

When when we had our third child and it was a girl I said I'd like to name her Margaret and my wife said that if she gave birth to a grandma that we could do that but I love the name Margaret. I have a friend named Margaret but you can't call her Peggy or Marge or any it needs to be Margaret if you call her anything she she will stab you. Bruce probably won't come back. Does Bruce have any pedigree? Bruce Wayne? Bruce Willis? I don't know. But Bruce, can you see Bruce coming back? Cause it's not like a Christian name, is it? I don't think so.

Is it Neil? Look it up. I'm just joking. It seems like it's short for something. Bruce. Yeah. No, I don't know. Bruce Willis? Cause people always make fun of Australians

for having the name Bruce. And by people, I mean Monty Python, Swank Circus. I feel like though it sounds cool when you guys say it in your accent. You know, like Bruce, like in American accent sounds really dumb finding Nemo Yeah, there was the boy names Bruce. Yeah Fish our friends not food. That's right. It's uh

The full name that's not sure for anything and it means the Willowlands. It means crap name I've just offended all the brus' it's okay. You know what, if your name's Bruce, finish the thought. We love you. Yeah. I got nothing, but we love you. Okay. Well, see, this is the difference between long form chats and your wonderful, well structured videos.

We're talking about Bruce. Who knew? You had no idea. I think it's interesting because for me, I'm so like almost Scrupulous about my videos because I'm like I have to make sure that the information I give them is like perfect It has to be under 20 minutes and I have to fit everything in because people have a very short attention span on my channel But like people are always like can you make your video shorter but with But with like more dense information, I'm like, I'm trying. OK, I'm really trying.

He's saying that. What they're saying that shorter, but more dense. Yeah. Those people are very rude. And I'm like, I should have stayed on TikTok, but I got banned on TikTok after. I want to get to that. I want to get to that. So for those who are unaware, Amber Rose runs religious hippie. Could you put a link to her YouTube video in the description?

People should go check her out. I was so impressed when I found your videos like five six months ago. I was just okay I'm gonna say something that might sound offensive. It's not meant to be. Women aren't funny. No. That's not what I was gonna say. What I was gonna say is um you are I think one of the things that people find difficult is just to be themselves. Yeah. The best advice anybody ever gave me when I spoke is just go out there and be big dorky Matt Fradd. Yeah. Like don't try to sound like Jason Everett or Scott Hahn. Just be dorky you. And you have a, you have this beautiful, quirky sense of humor that comes through at

the beginning of your videos. I just thought, oh, I love that you're just quirky. And I mean, in a good way. No, it's good because that's so true. Yes, thank you. Because I the funny thing is, is like I've met a lot of like YouTubers and stuff where it's like I love their content, but then you meet them in person and they're nothing like their content not saying that's a bad thing, but then I but it's a

bad thing. Yeah, because then I'm like, wait, so I got to know you on social media but now you're a completely different person interesting off of social media and not that like some people do it to protect like who they are like it's like a wall like a whatever but I'm just like what you get is what you get with me I can't I can't put a filter on it's I can't just like pretend to be somebody I'm not. So I just film it and I'm like, that's kind of funny. I'll put that in there. Well, it makes you more interesting. A little.

So you were on TikTok before YouTube. So when did you get on TikTok? So I started TikTok. Well, originally it was Vine. And then it was Musical.ly and I got on, I got on TikTok when it was Musical.ly. So it was like really cringy, like music, like it was musically and I got on I got on tik-tok when it was musically so it was like really cringy like Music like it was bad But then it became tik-tok and it like took off. It was crazy I started just like a secular account. This was before I came back into my faith when I was like 18 and Just dumb videos of just me doing dumb stuff. Like I can't dance.

So it wasn't dancing, but you know how like some girls were like, yeah, tick tock. Yeah, yes. Yes. That stuff is what you did. So what did you do? I basically just lip-synced to stuff. I was just like, yeah, this is great. But quick question because I'm old.

So Vine then musically then tick tock was it one company that changed or was it three different companies trying to do a similar thing? No, it's a company that changed so tick so vine no longer exists. It became Twitter own vine I don't know actually Twitter bought vine. They bought it Twitter bought fine How dare they and then they shut it down we can blame Twitter And I think musically was a separate thing that tick tock purchase musically It's confusing we learn things as we go. Thank you. It makes sense. But yeah. And I started there.

And when I came back on musically, on musically, but then it became like tick tock. So did you get the followers carry over? No, not really. Let's answer it. Hey, babe, what's up? Cool. I'm live. So just let yourself in if you want to come in and just drag a seat up to the door. I love her. How do you know?

I don't know, but I just love her already. You will like my wife. There's very few people who meet my wife who aren't like, wow, especially women. My wife gets along really well with all women. I love that. Somehow. She's like a super powerful woman, but people aren't threatened by her. I don't know why she's super humble

I need to say that to her face She'll watch it later on the live Yeah, but uh, sorry no no you're fine. Yeah, it was um I I mean the followers didn't really follow over because musically was really dumb for me I just kind of did whatever it wasn't a serious app for me for me. I just kind of did whatever. It wasn't a serious app for me until I came back into my faith. And then I posted just the crappiest video you can imagine. Horrible lighting, awful music. Like it didn't make any sense. It was like a picture or a video of like my rosary and like the church I was going to at the time. And I posted it and got like

thousands and thousands of views and it became like millions of views Why do you think that was it must have been too bad? I don't know. It was bad It was bad I don't have it anymore because they've been mean but like I did have it and it was literally like really bad lighting because it was nighttime and My quality of camera was not good at all But I posted it and people just were just like oh my gosh like this is like I'm Catholic too or like this is like, I'm Catholic too,

or like this and that. And I'm like, I just came back into my faith. I don't know what you guys are talking about. But as time went on and I started learning a lot more, I started posting more videos about my faith and what it was like to have fallen away from it. And kind of just like my own journey. And I noticed that there were no young, no offense,

but like no young girls talking about Catholicism. It was all, it was all guys. Oh, I see, yeah. Now I am offended. Yeah. Guys only talk about Catholicism. But it was one of those things where like I saw Scott Hahn, I saw you, I saw Dr. Taylor Marshall, Tim Gordon,

all of these people. And I was just like, but where are the girls? And I know that like, technically it's not necessarily a girl thing, but I wanted to know young girls' experiences coming into the church. Are you a convert or a cradle Catholic? Like, what helped you? What, you know, because we're more emotionally inclined, not so like, like apologetic inclined. I can do apologetics every now and then, but I prefer to share my own testimony because it connects with people and people resonate with that. And I just was not getting that from anybody in the sense of, I liked a lot of your interviews,

but I wasn't getting it from like somebody my age. I totally agree. I'm so glad you're doing what you're doing for that very reason. You know, like my girls are young, my oldest is 13. But as she gets older, like I want people like you to exist to speak to her in an attractive, compelling way. So I'm really, yeah. Thank you. It's, you know, it was one of those things I'm like, I don't see it, you know? And I knew there had to be other people out there who were just like me, who either fell away from the faith, were curious about it. So, I started doing some hardcore research. Like, I got the Catholic Answers

website up, I had like, Father Mike Schmitz, I had my Catholic Answers books and everything. And I did a lot of research because the more that I posted, the more questions people would ask me. And then the more questions people asked me, it forced me to do more research into it. And so when I did more research, I grew in my own faith and it was just kind of like a full circle. It was pretty cool. I would imagine that TikTok is a cool place to ask, like to ask objections to the Catholic faith

and then to get a quick answer. No? Why? You just, they don't even ask, like they, it's, you just get insulted. That's it. That's all that happens. Like some people are like, oh my gosh, I love you so much.

Or like, they'll text you and they'll be like, or they'll comment, sorry, not text. They'll comment and they'll just be like, you suck, expletive, expletive, like blah, blah, blah. And they're just like, Catholics are expletive. Oh, I see. It's just, there's no in-between. Sometimes people would ask questions.

They're like, why do you worship Mary? You know, but it's not like a serious question. You would offer a rebuttal, like just be like, well, actually we don't. In the comment section? Or would you? You could like, you could click on the comment and then you can like make a video about it.

Oh, wow, cool. And so you could respond that way because they give you a limited, it's like Twitter, you have a limited amount of space. Yeah. And I prefer because I think that we can get more conversation in if we actually share a video of it, because then they can hear our tone of voice. They can see what we're like. But then they'll be like, well, you're ugly.

So, and I'm just like, okay, like, where are we going with this? Do you think it's better? The discourse is better on your channel on YouTube than it had been on TikTok? Definitely YouTube and Instagram because Instagram, you can control it a lot more. You can kind of like, you can, you can put in kind of like certain words aren't allowed kind of thing. So like it blocks out certain words. So like curse words and stuff. Right. Same on YouTube. Right. And it's, it's, you feel so dirty having to write that list of words in that you don't want said, then you have a shower and record a video.

Yeah, it was it was a moment. I'm like, is it bad if I write it down in the area where I and my my confessor was just like, no, it's just write them in. And I'm like, OK, if you say so. But yeah, it's tick tock. So what good do you think you were doing on tick tock? When did you peak and when and when and why were you banned? Yeah. Yeah.

So I started TikTok when I was 18 and it just continued going up until about actually about this year, I reached one hundred thousand. And then on my birthday, I got I received a message saying that I was restricted from my account, like I wasn't permanently banned, I received a message saying that I was restricted from my account. Like I wasn't permanently banned, but I was temporarily banned and I could submit an appeal to get my account back. And so I was like, well,

I want to know what they banned me for cause they don't tell you. And so I typed the appeal in and I was like, y'all are weird. And if you guys don't believe in freedom speech, then like, yeah. Oh, you said that? Yeah, it was great.

Sure they appreciated that. Yeah, you know, they usually do. And then they were just like, oh, LOL, sorry, it was a mistake, here's your account back. And I was like. They said LOL? Yeah. Who is running TikTok?

I don't know, but they were like, LOL. They like sent me an email. 15 year old girls? Yeah. Probably. It didn't say LOL though, right? I mean, no, it did. Right, Matt thinks that it said lol for a second No, he she's saying it did

Yeah, they sent me like an email because I sent them like this is a long email and I was like y'all You know what I'm gonna do after this this video. I'm gonna ban the use of LMAO Because whenever someone says LMAO is always after they've said something snarky like this guy thinks is whatever lmao As if they're actually laughing, but I don't think they laughed their ass off I really think they asked to it exactly where it was and did not Do you I'm so sorry your band Chloe? But do you do it after snarky comments you can say yes It's the snarky. It's the snarkiness

Because it's like someone's saying something they think is snarky and insightful, and then they laugh at themselves to validate the thing they just said, which just makes it all the more laugh. You won't believe what people are spamming in chat right now. I am canceling my YouTube channel. You guys drove him to cancel his YouTube channel. Yeah this is what happens. Oh my gosh.

It's true though, but I think with women, like we actually mean it. Like, you know, we mean it. We mean like LMAO. Like, but guys are just like, LMAO, like, I can't believe this man. Yeah, but also with LOL, like- Oh, we have 367 random people watching saying LMAO.

I love that. I think it's so funny. It's a trend now. Somebody's gonna get a shirt with it. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Oh, here's my wife. Hello.

Isn't this the weirdest interview you've ever been a part of? It's okay. I don't know. Hey love. Hey. Hi. Do you wanna just pull the, we have someone here,

so maybe pull the chair up. Yeah. Or just chair up to the door maybe, because I don't know if you'll fit. Yeah, there's a lot of... Or you could sit in here if you want to sit super close to Chloe, who's cool. Chloe's awesome. She's my best friend. She's my best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is Cameron. Sorry, am I going to ruin everything? You will, but that's okay. Just don't trip over a cord. It's all right. Yeah. I love it. So we're talking about how Amber was on TikTok, which is this thing that kids use.

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African ball python. No, she's a ball python. So she's she's about four feet. People freak out when they hear that. But don't freak out. Our son has one. Oh, Python. Yeah, he's super sweet. Like she's about four feet. People freak out when they hear that, but don't freak out. Our son has one. I bought Python. Yeah. He's super sweet.

Like she's- Animal cruelty. Yeah. So what happened? They literally were like, this is offensive to people. Like- What was? My videos of my snake. What was offensive about the snake? They literally just said it's in date.

It goes against their community guidelines. That's all they said. And there's nothing wrong with it. Like she wasn't eating a rat or anything either. And you weren't hitting it with a hammer. No. Like that was so. She was on my shoulder, on my arm here,

and she was just hanging out. And I was just like, this is Sundance. And then I showed her my 10 chickens, my three dogs, my three cats, my two turtles, my rabbit. Do you think it was the snake that offended people? Or can you not tell? Maybe they hate chickens. It was the flagged, it was the snake videos

that were flagged though It wasn't like I mean I had a couple with other animals, but it was just so dumb I was like this is not something because like I had like videos about LGBTQ and stuff about how like We love the person hate the sin and like everything and I would get like those would blow up because everyone would be so mad but um Those were the ones that were flagged none None of the LGBTQ ones, the one on gay marriage, nothing about like, no sex before marriage, like nothing. It was always the animal videos. And I was just like, did you get to appeal?

So is that the one that they said was a mistake? They flagged it by mistake. They flagged like five of them, which is why I got like violated their community guidelines with my animals somehow. Okay. So when you appeal appealed it what happened? So I peeled it I got my account back and then I posted a video saying hey guys TikTok is probably gonna ban me permanently So if you guys want to follow me on my other platforms, like here's my podcast Here's everything and they were just like what no and then literally like the next day which was my birthday in the morning

I didn't post anything. they just permanently banned me. And I couldn't make another account, I couldn't do anything, because they know like my phone number, my address, my IP, whatever. You know? And so I could not make another account even for like kicks and giggles,

like I couldn't do it, kicks and giggles. Amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. So what was that? Because there was once I had my Instagram hacked by someone. I think it was an irate Muslim. Oh, and he just started.

I don't know how he got in. Actually, I think I do. But if I try to explain it, it will just get so convoluted that I won't. Anyway, so he got in. He took control, changed the password and started posting pictures of Saddam Hussein. And people like, I think he's been hacked. I'm like, that's a good guess. Thanks, guys. But I remember when that happened, it was this very much like, all right, Jesus,

like, I surrender this to you. I abandon this to you. Like, we don't just have to kind of say Fiat Volontas Tour in the sense of like, well, if this is going to happen to me, I guess I have to accept it. We can embrace God's will even when it goes against what we want. So how did you handle that? I cried like a baby. I literally I I kind of like threw my phone across the room

because I was like, there goes 10,000 people who have no idea what happened to me. Because I'm like, if it was different, like if I chose to quit the app, I could have had time been like, hey guys, I'm quitting TikTok. Like you guys can like, you know, follow me over here. But I felt like I abandoned people.

It wasn't my fault, you know, but I felt like I abandoned people. It wasn't my fault, but I felt like I abandoned them because I didn't have enough time to tell them, come follow me because TikTok wouldn't let me post that video because they're like, well, you're banned from posting anyways. Cause they banned me from posting for like, it was like a week or something. So I couldn't even tell people like,

hey, they're gonna ban me, like da, da, da. I couldn't even post that video. So literally I was just like cut off and nobody on there knew where to find me because my account was gone. So I more or less felt like it was hard because I felt like I abandoned them and I didn't give them like,

cause there were so many converts on there that were curious about Catholicism that I was talking to in like the description or DM, like direct message. And all of a sudden I'm gone. And they're just like, oh my gosh, she hates me. Like, I don't know what their thought process was. I'm assuming they knew I got banned. Was there ever a point in a video that was published

that you said I've been flagged? No, because they wouldn't let me post. So yeah, fair enough, so they have no idea. They wouldn't let me post anything because they're like, you can't post for a week. And so I cried about it a little bit more or less, but then I was just like, it was on my birthday. And it was at 808 when I was born.

I was born at 808 on April 8th and I got banned at 808. Like there was the timestamp on it. Like you are officially banned. It's 808. And I was just like, Jesus, you have a sense of humor. A sense of humor that I don't get yet. But God really does have a sense of humor. And he, he literally knew that TikTok was bad for me. It was bad for my mental health. It was

causing so many issues in just my mental health life. Like I, I, the amount of comments I would get the hate Chloe witnessed it firsthand, me just like bawling on the floor in her kitchen, being like, nobody loves me. It has that effect. It's like effect. It's like, you know, I know you're saying in a joking way, but it really is what people are experiencing. It's hard because it's like cyberbullying. Comments. They always seem magnified. Like someone can say something nice and we somehow dismiss it. Like they don't really mean that.

But if someone says you suck and I hate your face, you're like, well, that person's infallible. Clearly, I have to accept it. Yeah, it was it was not fun. I mean, and that's the thing. It's like we psychologically, our brains attached to the negative things like that's just psychologically how we're wired because it's more shocking. And so it's ingrained in our brains more.

But I really struggled with it because there was no real way to limit the comments unless you turn them off completely. Like there were still comments that could get through. And so I went to adoration like a week before all of this happened, before I got banned. And I told God, I was like, God, if there's anything that's coming between us, a specific social media app, you know, you reference it into meaning tick tock. Yeah, because I did not want to do it anymore. But I knew that from

our Lord. Even though you threw the phone across the room and he's like, Amber, we literally had this conversation last week. It's so true because I was like, oh, wait, you know, those things where you like pay for pray for patience

and then it happens and then you're like, why, God, why would you do this to me? Because that was me. And I eventually I accepted it because I was like, you know what, if they really wanted to follow me on other platforms, they'll find me. Like they know my name, they know my handle,

the religious hippie, they'll be able to find me. And so I had so much peace after the first initial hour of crying about it That I was like, I don't have to post on TikTok anymore. I don't have to look at negative comments anymore It's just a breath of I was just like wow like this is amazing and I didn't really like to talk to begin with because I Felt almost like an enabler when I was like, oh go follow me on TikTok I'm like kids should not have to talk I see now pause a moment and just talk about generally why kids shouldn't be on TikTok

in a new, like separate from the fact that you were on there and your experience as a creator. Yeah. The main thing is, is you cannot control what shows up in your for you page. So your for you page is basically when you first log on. It's just random videos that are suggested for you. You don't control anything. So an underage girl in a bikini could show up dancing to, you know, WAP or something, and you see that, you're a witness to

that. And I believe Father Ripweger has also mentioned that, like, our screens are a portal in some ways. And so, if somebody's struggling with a sexual sin of some type, and they come across that, they're going to be tempted. A lot of, of like immoral stuff, there's so much, I mean, on TikTok, there's literal YouTube videos where Gen Z has created their own mental illnesses. Like they pretend to have like, what is it, DND or D, I don't know, multiple personality disorder. And like they're creating a fake mental illness

and it's causing people who have real mental illnesses to kind of like recede even more into themselves and become more depressed and stuff. Because they're just like, oh. Because those people are basically making fun of them and giving them a bad rap. If they act, you know. And so there's just so much degenerate stuff on TikTok

that it's like, if you're exposed to that for long periods of time, TikTok's very addictive. Like it's scrolling and there's bright colors and bright videos. You just want to keep scrolling. That's what I hear from people. They say that it just sucks them in. And you know, in addition to the immoral content,

just the addictive nature of it, even if you were watching something that wasn't immoral seems to me to be problematic. Well, I only- Just sucks so much of your day away, I'm sure. Oh yeah, Like hours easily. So do you are you on it anymore? Like to watch? Good for you.

Everyone should quit TikTok. I would like to I'm on TikTok. How can I get banned? I want to record a video and get banned. We have to get a snake. Get your son's snake. Me and snake. You you I really would like you to put this in your bio.

Her greatest achievement is as being banned from TikTok. Greatest achievement. I should get my own daughter of God, then me. Okay, sure. Fair enough. I'll do it. But I mean, I would definitely get myself a trophy and be like banned from TikTok.

Ah, that would be cool. I'll get you one. I'll post with that. I will get you one. Really? Yes, and you'll remind me. Make notes. Yeah, we're gonna do it and I'll send it to you.

That's amazing. I love that. I'll be like, got banned from TikTok. Yes. It's so true though. I mean, there's all these apps and now Instagram's becoming more like TikTok with the scrolling but it's not as good. It's almost, yeah, it is almost like YouTube and Instagram are trying to catch up with the addictive nature.

You show up. See, I don't use social media. I have someone else run it because it just ruins my head. Smart. But when we opened the cigar lounge, we are about to open the cigar lounge, I downloaded Instagram and hadn't been on it for a year or two. And it was surprising to me how it had changed. Old man. And also just how much of it was being suggested to you.

Like, it's almost like, like, shut up. We know what you want. YouTube does the same thing. And it's true. They're right. Like, we know what you'll click on more than you know what you want. And also the ads on Instagram, they look they look like posts. And so Instagram knows when you slow down to look at something, it like targets it. It's like if you look at it for longer than three seconds. Amazing. It knows. So brilliant. And I'm just like, that's great.

And also creepy. Yeah. Like, so are there any other apps that you're currently on that you think I would like to get off this app? Twitter. Yeah. Easily. I was talking to Trent Horn about this in a recent interview, and he said it's something about the truncating of the message that makes the thing bad. So on Facebook, even if people may not read it, you can post a paragraph or two. But Twitter and TikTok only allow you to say so much,

which lends itself to sort of bombastic, inflammatory speech. Because you have to get rid of really necessary words to make it sound like you're not like in their face Instead of being like hey, this is a really great video that I think you should go check out It's like check out this video. Yeah, you know you have And there's no room for nuance So if you're trying to have a serious discussion about anything you may not be able to do it or you probably won't be able To do it. Mm-hmm. Yeah good for you. It's weird. I don't like I also because on Twitter there's

so much group thinking, you know, one person starts ganging up on this guy and he's kind of popular or this girl or whatever. And then everybody jumps on it because they're like, Oh, I follow this person too. And like, yeah, he shouldn't have said this or she shouldn't have done that or this picture is like this. And also there's a lot of weird creeps on there that are like addicted to feet on what? Instagram Twitter. Twitter has a real problem with pornography. They have pornographic accounts. They refuse to ban it. Okay. So what,

so what social media do you enjoy using the most in that you think it's reaching the most people in the best possible way? YouTube. I honestly would probably say Instagram actually, I'm not the biggest fan of being on it, but I get a lot of positive feedback on there more than I do YouTube and I think it's because People really don't want to sit and watch a video like probably even this video A lot of people are listening to like a podcast almost, you know So people really like my podcast and they also like my YouTube videos But if the YouTube videos like a podcasting format where they can listen to it, but they don't need any

visualization unless it's like a really short video. On Instagram though, I have the option of doing short video from the Reels. I can post on my story and get a quick thing on there that's not going to be up there for longer than 24 hours or I can make a post that's permanent. And I think it offers a wide variety of options for people. Like if you want to do a video, you can watch the reels. If you want to post, you can look at the post and read the post.

And it offers contacts through pictures instead of on Twitter. I also think, can you look this up, how many women are on Instagram? Probably a lot. Just guessing, Instagram seems like a female. My feedback is massive on Instagram compared to YouTube. Yeah, because it's visual. I think YouTube is more of a male dominant audience and Instagram is more of a female.

That could be it. Yeah, I could see that. So that's cool because you kind of, I mean, I guess a big part of your ministry is you want to reach women with the gospel. And so Instagram's a great place to do that. It is. If it is the case, which we will find out soon. Yeah, it's Instagram's a great place to do that. It is. If it is the case, which we will find out soon. Yeah, it's not too different. It says 48% of all Instagram users are female, while 51 are male.

Oh. And then for YouTube, it's 46% are female. So it's definitely more. More, okay, more females on Instagram per capita than on YouTube. I wonder if that's by account or by like view time or something, because I feel like. I wonder if that's by account or by view time or something, because I feel like.

I mean, Pinterest seems like. Yeah, Pinterest is female. No man who has any self-respect would be on Pinterest. I think I have a Pinterest account, but I haven't used it, fans to me. I didn't know what it was. Just for a backup account. What is Pinterest?

Are people still doing stuff on Pinterest? I don't even know how to work it. I just see things I like. I wouldn't really even call it a social media. It's kind of completely different. It's like you see like aesthetic things like, oh, this like wall trim looks really good. So I'm going to make a board for my living room and put this. I'm using it for the kitchen.

That mic's on, isn't it? People can hear you. OK, good. Yeah, it's like a decorative kind of aesthetic app. So do you spend most of your time on Instagram or YouTube? Instagram. YouTube, I I film my videos, I edit my videos, and then I put them up. And the only time I really am on YouTube is to listen to your podcast or to listen to somebody, like a podcasting format,

where it's like I still every now and want, like now and again, wanna see like who they're interviewing or what they look like. So I'll like look over every now and then. But I am not super into like sitting still and watching like an hour long video. I need to be working. I need to be doing something. So for podcasting and stuff the podcast is really taken off because of that. So this podcast is great if you're on an airplane and you download a four hour show and you

watch it. But other than that I don't know who in their right mind would sit down for this song other than me. I met a farmer guy at the thing over the weekend He's like I love it because I don't have to do anything. I just listen for three hours straight He works with his hands. No, but see yeah, but that's different like listening I get but not watching. That's what I mean Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean, it's a cool setup. It's aesthetically pleasing. Yeah, like it's awesome. Yeah, but it's like Like you're not jumping off a cliff and I'm not gonna you know, you know, and so it's like, you're not jumping off a cliff and I'm not gonna, you know, you know? And so it's like, I love- There's no explosions.

Yeah. Not to downplay the importance of video as the video guy, but I feel like it's really just for like clips is the main thing. Is it a two minute like video clip will like, then we're just gonna click on it. It's true. I mean, like I don't watch a lot of Joe Rogan.

Obviously there's much I object to here in what he says like everybody else does. I don't know why we always have to offer that cover. Yeah, just in case people think it's a blanket endorsement of Joe Rogan. But I've watched I've watched clips, but on very rarely will I go, I'm going to go watch that entire interview. Yeah, sometimes, sometimes I do. I do the same thing with the news.

I just like I'm going to watch clips, but I'm not watching this whole show because most of the time it's just propaganda. Yeah, yeah. A lot of news seems to have degenerated into look how outrageous this thing is. And it's always negative. There's never like homeless woman got like ten thousand dollars from like standard buyer. Or if it is, it's on TikTok and the guy's filming himself giving her a ten thousand. He's like, wait, are you in frame?

Yeah. Oh, funny. So bad. What's that? Is it John Kaczynski? Who's the fella from the office? Yeah. Do you remember what? Yeah. What's his name? the is it John Kaczynski? Who's the fellow from the office? Yeah. Do you remember what? Yeah. What's his name? Well, whatever. Kaczynski. Well, remember he did that that positive news over Covid? Oh, yeah.

On YouTube. It was actually really enjoyable to watch. Yeah. He's such a charming person. Yeah. John Krasniki or something. John Krasniki. Krasniki. That's a cool last name. It's in there. Yeah. He he seems really cool. And now I have to re-watch The Office.

Let's cut this. We can all go out and watch it. All right, so cool. So what kind of feedback have you been getting from people? I mean, you said that one of your hopes is that people would be able to encounter like a younger woman speaking on these issues. Is that the experience you hear from people? It's nice to encounter someone. Yeah. I mean, after I did my talk in SoCo with Bishop Strickland and Father Nolan and

everything, I met so many young women who were just like, you have helped me so much, either come back into the faith or to really dig deeper. And being able to just connect with them one-on-one was really important for me, because most of the time they're just a number on my screen. They know who I am because they watch my social media, but actually being able to meet them and get to know them better was a real experience for me. And so I wanted to kind of hunker down on that.

Obviously my videos are for men too. They really find it interesting and it helps them understand their Catholic girlfriend a little bit better, you know, because they're just like, why is my Catholic girlfriend saying this? And I'm like, so, like, this is why. But yeah, I want to bring Catholicism to younger generations, but also my content is for parents, because parents have teenagers. You have a teenager who maybe is like, I don't want to be Catholic anymore.

Or they're like, why do we do this mom? And I've had parents that are like, I literally just show my kids your videos because I don't know how to. That is so beautiful. It's amazing because I never expected that. I would have expected it to be like, also if they watch any of my older videos,

I'm so sorry for all the cringe. I literally like. But what we're doing now in 10 years, we may view as cringe. So it's all relative. It's okay. It's okay. But yeah.

And so I really, it's really all my contents for everybody. I mean, religious ed teachers have used it in their classrooms. I've had mothers use it for their kids. I've had dads use it for their sons. Have you done a video on why you should get off TikTok? I did a video. That would blow up and every mother and father in America will thank you.

I should. Honestly, that is a good idea. I'll be like, Matt Fred told me to do this. But it's so true because I mean, so many parents are like. Because a teenage girl having her mother and father say, here's why you're not on TikTok is one thing. But showing a video of a young woman like yourself explaining that. No, it's so true.

The parent thing where it's like kids are like, oh, mom, like, but all my friends are doing it and everybody my age is doing it. I'm like, just because everyone else is doing it, sweetie. It doesn't mean you should. As if I'm saying this, I'm 22, however, 23. 23, sorry. It's OK. I wish I was still 22. But no, I mean. Amazing. 22, we are so old.

Do you really? Why do you wish you were twenty two? Twenty two was like a really good year for me. I was like on top of it. It was a good year for me, too, because I got married. Yeah. Oh, that's so sweet.

But yeah, I just I don't know. It was one of those things where twenty two was just like, you know how you have that one year in your life where it's just everything's like not perfect, but like close to it. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. It was just like a really great how you have that one year in your life where it's just everything's like, not perfect, but like. Close to it. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, it was just like a really great time.

I felt really independent and I was like, I'm running my own stuff and we're going places. But yeah, I mean, TikTok is just the worst place for teenagers to be. It infiltrates your mind and it makes men like, not to use the word, but like soy boys. Like, have you ever seen like the thirst traps on there? What does that mean?

Does that mean like a feminine man? What does that mean? Yeah, it means feminine. You say it so people can get angry at you. What does soy boy mean? It means like an effeminate man, like somebody who's like, I don't. No, do this because I really, there's a huge, I'm talking to you, I'm aware of just how old I am.

Do you feel that way? Like there was a time where you, I'm talking to my wife, people who aren't seeing who I'm talking to. Like there was a time you and I used to give talks to teenagers. I'm going to talk to some teenagers about pornography in Iowa next week, or this week.

I realized when I gave, the last time I spoke- Speaking to the mic, yeah. The last time I spoke to a bunch of teenagers, like high schoolers, I was like, oh my goodness, I got really old. Cause I mainly, like I'll do a lot of women's stuff or like college age, but like teenagers, I realized it was like, wow, like I am so far removed and um, from their world and their culture and yes, definitely feel, feel older, but that's okay.

Okay. So I want you to explain to me and we're gonna I'm what is a soy boy. And what does this mean when you did this thing? What is that noodle arms? like they have like no muscle they're like they they always have their shirts off and Keep going. I think they get it from time. All right noodle arms shirt off. Keep going. Yeah, they have like what not to do writing it down Yeah shirt off, keep going, yeah. They have like- What not to do, writing it down, yeah. So true. It's like they haven't hit puberty yet, but they think they're the hottest thing since Betty White.

I can't say sliced bread anymore because Betty White is older than sliced bread. And she died, unfortunately, rest in peace. But I mean, they just think that they're so hot and they're like thirst traps and they'll like do the like, they'll lick their lips in the camera, they'll pretend they get arrested by police, they'll like put their hands behind their back, they'll like thirst traps and they'll like do the like they'll lick their lips in the camera they'll pretend they get arrested by police they'll like

put their hands behind their back they'll like make these cringy videos and they'll be like I'm the hottest thing since Betty White yeah and it's just this is amazing from the the idea that like you shouldn't eat like soy right I get that I get that soy has estrogen or something I get that but just that's so funny just to hear the description. I'm so glad I'm not on TikTok. Noodle arm, shirt off, pretending to be arrested. These are not the things I would have put

under the title Soyboy, but this is good. I'm learning. It's so weird. They think like they're so muscular. They haven't even hit puberty yet. I totally would have done that though. If I was a 15 year old and I had TikTok, 100%. I mean, because the women like they'll be like,

yeah, get it, you know. I don't know that. Yeah. No, they'll be like, it's beautiful. There's something beautiful about it. What's beautiful about it is this like it's obviously perverted when a woman dresses immodestly and acts like a whatever and a boy does something similar.

But behind all of that is just this desire to be seen and accepted and like loved. And when he's older, he's going to show his kids and his kids are going to roast him. Yeah. That's amazing. All right. Good. So you mentioned you came back to the faith. How did that happen?

Yeah. So I fall away from the faith for eight years. How old were you when that happened? Eleven, twelve-ish. And is there a reason you fell away? Yeah. There was a lot of stuff happening in the church at the time. I had just been confirmed at that point.

I got slapped by Cardinal Sarah. Nice. You know how they slap you during confirmation. It was great. I actually just recently saw him. He's doing well. Cool. But yeah, I got confirmed and then that was 2011. That's when a lot of the sex scandals

started kind of like picking up a lot. And so we fell away and I mean, I was like, yes, no more mass. I don't have to sit through it for an hour. I can text my friends. I can do sleepovers. I don't have to worry about anything. You know, I mean, that's what I thought.

I was just, I was like, I'm free, you know, I can have sleepover Saturday and the Sunday now, I don't have to worry about it. God became kind of like a thing in the back of my mind. Like, I knew he existed, but I was just like, I'm not a part of the church anymore, I don't have any consequences. Obviously as like a 12 year old, I was just like, I can do what I want.

So for eight years, that's what I did. Like I was in and out of rough crowds. I never did drugs or sex before marriage or any, my dad instilled a lot of good values into me as a young person where I was like, I saw what drugs and alcohol and all those things did to my friends. And I'm like, I don't want that for me.

I don't want that for them, but they're grown people. Like they can make their, I talk like 12 people, like they're grown people. 12 year olds are not grown people. You don't stop growing until you're like 25, but that's not true. But I'm not a scientist, but I just, I was like, I saw what it did to my friends.

I saw how so many of my friends were becoming alcoholics at the age of 16. I saw reckless driving. I saw all these were becoming alcoholics at the age of 16. I saw Reckless driving I saw all these things and so I became the mom friend I instantly put myself in that situation where I was just like you need crackers. I got you. You need a drive home I got you you need money for gas and you're on the south side of Chicago I'm coming to get you like I did not care about myself I only cared about the well-being of. Even though I wouldn't do those things, I neglected my own boundaries with them

in order to make sure they were safe. When in reality, they made those decisions themselves and they would have to face the consequences for those decisions. But I tried to keep those consequences away because I loved them and they were my friends. Unfortunately, they did not feel the same way. They would walk over me like all the time.

They were just like, I need money. It wasn't even like, hey, can you come pick me up? It was like, I need a ride. It stopped being like, oh my gosh, thank you so much for helping me out. It became like, I need help now, like come get me. And so when people stopped kind of appreciating what I would, it just became like second nature.

That's when I was kind of like, like can I have some appreciation for driving an hour to come and get you because you're drunk, you know? And there was just like no appreciation for it. And so slowly like, I just kind of accepted it and just got walked over by everybody. I got bullied a lot in high school.

I had like no self respect to basically, cause I didn't know my worth at that point. You know, when you're 12, you're going into puberty, you're going through all of that, you get hit with the, oh, you know, there's other girls that look like me, but prettier. I need to wear more makeup. I need to wear this outfit.

I need to look a certain way because you're trying to find your niche. You're trying to figure out where you fit in, what you like to do. And without God in your heart, without God in your mind, you're really led astray. Because He gives us those set rules. He gives us like, don't do this, don't do that, you know? And if we don't have those rules and we don't know truly that we are a child of God in our heart, we allow the world to come in and tell us who we are, and the world never tells us good things. So, for me, that's what happened.

Like, I was, I got eating disorders, I became depressed and anxious, self-harm, like, just everything. Under the sun, I struggled with, nobody knew, because when you really do struggle with a mental illness, the only people who really know are close to you. You know? And so I struggled with that for years. And then I get seasonal depression too. And so when I turned 18, I had the worst seasonal depression of my life. Not counting last year, because I also had desolation, but it's a different story. But I was in my bright pink room. No, I think it was turquoise actually. And I looked over at my pug and donut poster, which is like my calendar. And I looked at it and it was Sunday. And I was just like, Sunday, like I have so much to do today.

I have school, I have this. And I was like, but you know what? It's Sunday. Like we used to go to church when I was a kid. So I decided on a whim just to go to church. I was a kid, so I decided on a whim just to go to church. It was random. So random. Did you, and you drove, did you tell your folks you were going? No, I don't think I really told anybody.

I think my mom knew though, because like, why else would I wear a long skirt and a veil? It's so cool that young people are sneaking off to church. Yeah. It's just like, I'm not going to go do drugs, bye mom. But yeah, and I should mention prior before that, I actually found my childhood rosary randomly that I lost for like eight years and I found it, I started praying it.

So before that, so I probably should mention that like our lady definitely helped lead me back to her son. And I go to church, it's a Nova Sordo parish, but I don't know, I don't know anything, you know, and I go to Nova Sordo too, reverent, but I sat in the back and I don't remember if I was late know anything, you know, and I go to Nova Sordo too, reverent, but I sat in the back and I don't remember if I was late or not, but I remember I really wasn't paying attention at all.

I was really too scared to be there because everybody, I felt like everyone was staring at me. They're like, we know she doesn't go here. Like you can't sit with us, you know? I wasn't in the niche, I didn't know anybody. And so I didn't start paying attention until I had a conversion in front of the Eucharist where the priest raises the host. And I felt Jesus speak into my heart. He's like, do you trust me?

Was this at Holy Mass that day? Or a different day? No, this day. Okay. Yeah. And I was like, hello? I was like, hello, Jesus? Jesus? And he literally was just like, do you trust me? And I was like, no. We were talking about, you know, I was just like, you're the reason that I have all these problems. Like, why would you let me go through all of this? Like, my friends hate me, even though I do everything to try to help them. I'm depressed. I'm anxious.

Like I was just, I was rattling off stuff in my head. I was like, I was probably burning a hole through the eucryst. I was like, you know, um, and I was just off stuff in my head. I was probably burning a hole through the Eucharist. I was like, you know, and I was just so angry. And you know, and then he just kept asking like, do you trust me? Do you trust me? And I was just like, nope, nope, nope. Probably went on for a good 15 minutes. I'm gonna be honest, I'm really hard headed.

But my heart at that point had become stone cold. You know, I was mad, I was angry, I was depressed. I felt like I was on my own. I felt abandoned by God, even though I'm the one that abandoned Him. And slowly, you know, Jesus took like a chisel and a hammer and He just kind of like cracked away at my little heart. And eventually I was like, I can try. And at that time, I didn't even know about Divine Mercy. You know, I prayed it as a kid, but it didn't even register. And so I was like, I can try, you know, and I will try. And so after that day, I decided,

I'm really actually going to try because I felt a sense of peace at that Mass that I never felt before. You know, being able to say like, okay, Jesus, I'm going to try and trust you. It's not a commitment. It's not like, yes, I will trust you. It's, it's a stepping stone. And that's what he asked. He's, he reaches his hand out and he says, take my hand. And then he leads us, you know, and that's what he was doing. He was reaching his hand out

to me. He's just like, you don't have to take it, but you should. And so I, I was just like, okay, maybe. So it was like a little kid holding on to their dad's pinky finger, basically. I'm like, maybe. And ever since then, I've been pursuing my faith. I've been growing in it. I've been trying to get better in it. And I found out about Divine Mercy. And actually, the first talk I ever gave was on Divine Mercy Sunday. And I didn't know it was Divine Mercy Sunday. And I gave that talk and they're like, did you know it was Divine Mercy Sunday? And I was't know it was Divine Mercy Sunday. And I gave that talk and they're like, did you know it was Divine Mercy Sunday? And I was like, what?

It feels like something I should have known before I gave the talk, but I'm glad it came full circle. It was so crazy. It's happened twice where we also had, I gave a talk on St. Gianna, and it was also St. Gianna's feast day. And then I gave a talk on mental health and it was St. Dymphna's feast day. I have no idea. I don't know these things and it just happens.

But in an essence, that's kind of the story of how I ended up. How, if you don't mind me asking, how did your mental health, how was that affected by your coming back to faith? Oh, it was so tough at first because of scrupulosity. When I first came back in my faith, I had my general confession, you know, where you have to go through everything for the last eight years. And the priest was just like, he probably got a beer after that. But he was just like, I'm glad you're here. Yeah.

Did you tell him it was going to be a general confession? It wasn't one of those ones where you were in line before mass and he thought it was gonna be one minute. It was. Yeah. I mean, he knew me kind of from when I was in like confirmation because he was my teacher. So he was like, oh yeah, I remember you. And I was like, sorry. I was the worst kid in confirmation class. I would pass notes all the time to boys I liked, which was all of them.

And I would just be like, want to go on a date? To all of them. It was bad. I did not pay attention during confirmation class. So yeah, this poor priest, still friends with me till this day, thank God. Thank you. But he really helped me kind of be like, you know, this is fantastic that you came back,

that you went through this and you came back because most people go on this journey until they're like 35 or 40 and good time to make a U-turn. Yeah, right. And their 20s are gone and you know, they wish they would have found it out sooner. So you are where you need to be. And so I really struggle with scrupulosity in the beginning.

But scrupulosity I've said before is not across the Lord is calling us to carry. If it's anything, it's more like a scourge of Satan that the Lord calls us to renounce. And I think what's so difficult about scrupulosity is it has the sort of, it has an element of piety to it because you're taking sin seriously. And so to the scrupulous person, when you tell them that scrupulosity is not good, it sounds like you're saying taking sin seriously is not good, and it's a very difficult trap. I struggled with scrupulosity a great deal a few years after our marriage, and I remember thinking I wish like one saved always saved was true. I'd love to leave Catholicism and become Protestant if I could believe that. And it was Therese of Lisieux.

There was a lovely book. I recommend to everybody who struggles with sc scriptulosity called I Believe in Love. It's a retreat based on her teachings. And it was also, I think, the sixth session of the Council of Trent, sixth, I think, which is on justification, which never says that we cannot have a certainty of our salvation. Right. But just that we can't have a absolute certainty, but we can have a moral certainty. Right.

Anyway, so those that really helped me, just trusting. There's this great line in this book, and I think it would speak well to anyone with scrupulosity. He says, I'm not saying you believe too much in your own wretchedness. We are far more wretched than we can ever understand. What I'm telling you is you do not believe enough in merciful love. And that's the ticket right merciful love. Yeah, that's so true. And that's the ticket right there, I think. That's so true. And I mean, when you look at all the saints who have gone through scrupulosity, like you

said, St. Tresa Lassoux, St. Faustina, I'm sure Thomas Aquinas went through it too. Like so many saints have probably gone through it because when we realize the gravity of our sins, because when I eventually had all of those sins lifted off my soul, I was cleansed. I cried for weeks. I was like, what have I done to God? What did I do? He finally kind of lifted the veil and he was like,

you left. It was almost like a replay of my whole life. It's kind of like dying and like your life flashes before your eyes and you're just like, wow, I accomplished nothing. You're like, and that's how it was. Like I was, I was 18 at the time. So I was still really young, but I felt like I,

I could finally see like, you like, I was the cause of all my problems. And if I had just followed God, yeah, I'd still have struggles, but I wouldn't be alone and I'd be way better off than trying to go off and do whatever the heck I wanted to do. And so the gravity of that finally set in, and that's when my scrupulosity kicked in,

where I was like, I am so horrible. Like I'm the worst person ever walked the world. But then I'm like, I can't give myself that much credit too. I like that. You know, I can't do that. But you know, it was one of those things where I just felt so horrible. And I view that as a grace to be sorrowful for our sins.

If I didn't feel sorry for my sins, I would have been like, what's wrong with me? I think a distinction needs to be made between scrupulosity and a tender conscience, right? So just because scrupulosity is not good, it doesn't follow that a tender conscience isn't. Like we should have a tender conscience. We should not want to offend our Lord. But there's that distinction, I think, that has to be made. Yeah. And it's hard because I would, what they call priest shop, we're like, if a priest

didn't give me a hard enough penance or something, I would go to a different one. I see. And you'd reconfess? Okay. Yeah, don't do that. That's not good because I, it's really what it's showing is that I do not trust in God's mercy. And it's also like a sacrilegious act in a way. It's kind of like why we don't get rebaptized and the church teaches that it's a sacrilegious act. So if you've been baptized in a Lutheran church with proper matter and form, the church does not rebaptize you. It's a general baptism or something. It could be, right?

You could do a, what do they call it? A provisional, thank you, a provisional baptism. But it's the same, yeah, it's the same reason. It's like we trust in the power of God so we don't redo this. But yeah, but I see the point. I can get the temptation. I need to reconfess this and hopefully-

And it was so bad until a priest was just like, I'm the same priest you went and confessed this no way and I was just like I Was just like oh, sorry. How did he not realize like why wouldn't he just assume that you've committed these sins again? Mainly because it was like the exact same thing He was just like are you pre shopping and I was like yeah, because I get-shopping? And I was like, yeah, because that's how I get the term from it. And I was like, maybe he's just like, you can't lie in confession. And I was just like, okay, yes.

And if you do, I know you'll come back and tell me that you will. So you may as well just be honest now. Exactly. And so I just like bawled my eyes out to him. Like, I don't know what to do. I feel like nobody's giving me enough like penance. I don't, cause when you're away for eight years, I mean,

I know some people have been away for longer. Some people, you know, maybe they've committed worse sins. But when you have that knowledge, it's like you, as a human, when you're, when that's revealed to you, you almost don't know how to handle it. You know, like I've done all these things, like what, what do I need to do? But all God asks us to do is go to confession, make a penance and fix our lives basically, you know, that doesn't mean we're not going to sin again. It just means we're making reparations to not sin again. The other thing is like, you're not the, and I know you know this, but like you and I are not the cause of God's love for us.

And I think by going pre-shopping, as he said, or becoming scrupulous, we're where it's, that's why it's so bad. It's like, I'm the cause of your love for me. Yeah. I've got to do this so that you'll love me. But it's the exact other way around. It's like God loves you and that makes you lovable. Exactly. Yeah. It's almost I don't want to say like a pride thing, but in certain sense, like scrupulosity in my in my experience with myself was a pride thing. I'm like,

I'm so important, you know, I'm not that important, you know, in reality. And I'm like, I don't really know how to explain it in a way that would make sense without going like, you know. That's okay, let's try. But, try it. Try, we have a lot of time. It's like, when, like, if I think, oh my gosh, I committed this sin, it's awful, and I need to go to a priest and get a really hard penance, you know, God's not asking me to do that. He's asking me to go to confession, do the penance the priest prescribes me, and then

make reparations, you know? And I can fast and I can do stuff on the side, you know, to get a little purgatory time knocked off. But at the end of the day, we think that God is so much harder on us and expects perfection. And he does, right? Jesus tells us in the Bible, be perfect like your father is. But he also knows that we're human and there's no way we can reach perfection until we're in heaven.

But we can strive for it. And I think striving for it is important, but we shouldn't get caught up to it. And that we peace, we have to strive for it with peace and trust in the Father's love. Exactly. Because Satan's the accuser of our brethren. The Holy Spirit is called the parakeet. And I learned from Scott Hahn that that word means defense attorney. So it's like the Holy Spirit is our protector. He's our defender.

When we used to pray that I would say parakeet I was like, he's a parakeet. That's cool. I was like, what did we would Liam say has a kid about the our father? He oh, he said what's a holy worm? But I think the little kid thing. So like you are, sorry. Okay, so as you're saying, like there's nothing you can do. Like what comes to mind for me is like you're his little girl. Like you are God's precious little girl. And from like being a mom, like picturing our kids when they're little and breastfeeding, it's like there's no like you're doing this wrong or you can't like we've just got love them where they are and the Lord is like I love you so much,

you are my sweet precious little girl. And then for a child to like start beating themselves up because they didn't drink the bottle the right way or they burped and got spit up all over you. It's like I don't care. It would break your heart. Oops sorry, I keep doing it. I don't care if you spit up all over me.

Like I love you and I want what's best for you. Like you're happy, right? When the baby finally burps and like gets that out and you're like, oh, that was good. Like you're relieved. There you go, you're good. And at no point is the parent thinking, oh, you're bad or wrong.

Like it's- I love what you said about that too, because it's so true that God meets us where we are. He's not calling us to a place that he has not already gone, you know, as Jesus. Like he's been, didn't get spit up on him. Well, maybe, I mean, there were 33 years that are unaccounted for, or like 30 years

that are unaccounted for, so maybe. But like, he was ridiculed, he was abandoned by his friends, he was crucified for our sake, he died, you know? There's so many things that happened to him that we go through on a daily basis and we're, and we just kind of ignore it almost like, oh, well, we already know this because it's a story we've heard since we were kids. In reality, no, it's so relevant to our lives now. And God's not calling us to be, you know, something we're not, you know, he's, he's,

he will literally meet us where we are. Like when Peter was like, Lord, let me come to you and walk on the water, he said, come to me. And Peter got out and he kept his eyes on Christ. And they were walking towards each other and then he got scared. Maybe he got a little doubt in his mind that like, oh my gosh, I'm on water, like the wind is crazy. And he started sinking. But the first thing he did was say, Lord, save me.

And God met him where he was and he pulled him up. Amen. Yeah. And so I'm, that's what I think of. I'm just like, I'm sinking Lord help, you know, and he pulls us up. All you have to do is literally ask. Do you think that these, what did you call it? Scrupulosity and the like? I don't know. I don't mean mental disorder. That's just wrong. But what did you refer to it as? You had, um, like anxiety and these sorts of things. Mental illness, mental illness. OK. Do you think this is this is more common these days because of maybe social media?

I don't mean to give you the answer. Maybe that's not it. No, it's OK. Yeah, I definitely think social media plays a role because we're isolated and we're very social beings. Social media is contradictory. It's isolated media. Oh, that's good. Because in reality, yeah, we might be interacting with people.

But where's the actual interaction? You know, you're texting somebody, but you're not seeing their face. You're not communicating, really. They can't hear the tone of your voice. So many things would be fixed if you just called somebody on the phone or like you video chatted somebody and they could see your voice or they could hear. Yes, I know what you mean. They can hear your voice and they could like see your facial expression.

Text messages. They can't, they don't know what you're trying to say. Like for guys, um, they can literally just be like, yeah, okay. I'll meet like they'll say, yeah, okay. I'll meet you at the restaurant in 10 minutes, you know, and we'll be like, oh my gosh, he hates me. But like for know and we'll be like oh my gosh he hates me yeah funny but like for women we'll be like okay sweetie I'll meet you at the restaurant in like 20 minutes I'm just getting my hair done lol and they'll be like imagine if I said that yeah how women are always like I'm getting my hair done yeah no that would be good you can do it with your beard you but I'm getting my beard done oh gosh

no I know what you mean. Text is tone deaf. That's actually a good argument against solo scriptura, right, because you could take any sentence. I like the one Pat Madrid used. He said, I never said you stole my wallet. Right, you say that and you think you know what that means, but then you emphasize any of those words and you change it. I never said you stole my wallet.

Or I never said you stole my wallet. Or I never said you stole my wallet. So true. Or I never said you stole, like it Or I never said you stole my wallet. So true. Or I never said you stole. Like it's infinitely interpretable. English is horrible in general. But yeah, it's so true. Like there's so much confusion. And that's the beauty of, you know, how God created us to be able to speak and communicate through,

you know, body posture, through eye contact, through hand movements, through tone of voice. You lose all that. Yeah. So do you find that the women who watch your shows and men, are they kind of resonating with what you're talking about as you kind of maybe do you encourage people away from social media or is that that's probably not what you I was part of your story, but it's not like that's what you hop on. I feel like it's hard because social media has been integrated into our society so much now that if you don't have it

You're a social leper by the time you're five. Yeah, unless you're homeschooled. I was homeschooled. But yeah good for you Yeah, yeah, and it was it was one of those things that like I don't want my kids to have social media or anything Yeah, don't do it until like they're like 18. Yeah, but I know that things happen but the thing is is like I know what social media did to me as a 13 year old when Instagram first came out and YouTube started ticking off and everything. I was engulfed by it as a 13 year old. I was seeing something on Instagram the other day because I downloaded it again, as I said for the cigar lounge and it's so bad.

I hate it so much. Like I don't have to pretend to hate it to be cool. I actually just hate it and deleted it. And here's why. Like there was this one video, you know, they suggest things to you, and it was a woman, and she walks out on her porch and she looks over this peaceful scene. I'm like, this woman set her camera up and then pretended she had a phone free morning.

Yeah, that's literally what I think too. But she looked good while she was doing it. But she looked so good. So then I set my camera up and I did the same thing. Yeah, totally. Just like these boys who pretend they're in fights like you said or something. Somebody had to set that camera up. Or the worst. I'm so glad that phones didn't exist when we got married. All these bloody people hugging and spinning on beaches. Phones did exist. I know you're saying that we're really old and we are old, but phones did exist.

Okay fair enough. Phones existed. Just not smartphones. Just to clarify, he's like 98 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good for 98 though. He looks young. Yeah, thank you. Not for 38, but great. For 90.

Yeah. It's so true though. I think also because, like what you're saying, I took theater classes for about four years. I was in orchestra for eight and I took theater class for four. So as soon as I was done with orchestra, I'd go to theater until like 11 p.m.

And I took so many theater classes. So now in movies, I can't even enjoy movies because I'm like, somebody did that. And like, I can tell when somebody's not acting well. I'll be like, faking, you know? And I'm like, acting is fake, right? So now I can't really enjoy movies because when I see somebody, I know exactly what they did. I know how they set up the camera. I know the angles. Are you like that, Neil? Cause you studied

this stuff. Are you like that when you watch movies? Do you find yourself getting out of your? I mean, it's usually just like a matter of, Oh, that was a really, excuse me. That was a really cool shot. Interesting. But even that takes you out of the moment, right, that was a really, excuse me, that was a really cool shot. Ah, interesting, but even that takes you out of the moment, right? Yeah, it does. A little bit, I mean, for me, it's not so much taking me out of the moment, it's like a layer of the art, I guess.

Okay, cool. I mean, it's crazy, I mean, not that men and women are different, but it's crazy, it's crazy how much detail, because I'll look at somebody's outfit, and I'm like, somebody had to plan that outfit. It's like a Disney Channel original movie character outfit where it's like leopard print on top of like neon yellow

on top of skinny jeans and like high boots and tons of bracelets. And I'm just like, somebody had to go into their wardrobe and pick that out. You wore that literally two weeks ago. That's true. That's actually not a lie, I did. Oh, that's funny, you're not joking.

I'm not kidding. It would have been a great joke. She sent me a picture of her outfit, I said, you look like a lie, I did. Oh, that's funny, you're not joking. It would've been a great joke. I'm not kidding, you said you looked like a Disney Channel original character, I don't know why, what is wrong with your game? I said, you're not allowed to walk out the house like that. It was too late. You're questioning your mental status. It was too late, you're like, I'm out of the house,

run, run, run! I had hot pink shorts and a leopard printed tank. Okay. It was not a good, it was a home school moment. I've never struggled with. No. You're like, should I wear this black shirt or that black shirt?

That black shirt. I love it. It's so true. I mean, somebody had to look at that and go like, we're using that for this movie. I see. And I mean, I looked at that in my closet. I'm like, I'm wearing that.

So it obviously happens. But with the theater knowledge, it's like, now that I look at like social media and stuff, I do the same thing. I'm like, she set that camera up at this angle. So it would. Yeah. But see, just because something has been so integrated

into modern society, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be lepers. It doesn't mean we shouldn't not use it. You know? I think there's a balance. Yeah. I definitely think there's a balance. Where it's like, you, I always tell people, are you addicted to social media?

And then I look in the mirror and I'm like, I'm addicted to social media. But the thing is, is like, there are things we can do. So I don't know if you know Timoree from Trending with Timoree. Oh, she's lovely. She's awesome. I've met her before.

She's really sweet. I had her on my podcast in season two, and we talked about how we spend our time as Catholics and how social media takes up a lot of time. And even if it necessarily seems like you're soaking up good Catholic content, it's still a waste of time. You could be reading a book. She doesn't have a TV, which I think is awesome. I'm not there yet. But that's the thing is like, we can definitely have a balance though, where, you know, maybe you don't have social media on your phone.

It's only accessible on your laptop or computer. You know, I tweeted from my computer and I got bullied for it. So maybe not because people can see how you where you tweet from. Yeah, nothing. They're like, oh, Android for like Twitter from for Android or Twitter for from computer or Twitter for someone bullied you for tweeting from your computer. Oh, they're just like, are the worst people. They were like, what happened to your phone? And I was just like, you know what guys,

they don't have it. It's not on my social media. We are in so different universes. Like you and I live in different universes. It's the age gap. It is, that's totally what it is. It's the age gap plus the advance of technology while I was doing other things like having kids.

We live in different universes. Honestly, that was probably more productive. But what's that, having kids? Imagine that, you're what? 15 years apart. Yeah. 15 years apart. Imagine other people that are that much older. Right.

So like. Yeah. You feel like this too in 15 years. Just so you know. If someone was 15 years older than you, you wouldn't have that. That's right. Because of the advance of technology. That's exactly right.

But you'll have it with someone 15 years younger. Does that make sense? It does. It does. Because I wasn't raised on social media. I didn't have social media. I had flip phone growing up until I was like 13. So-

Good parents. Yeah, good for them. And I got lost and that's the only reason I got a phone. Cause I got lost. Matt, I want to go back to something you said earlier. Cause you were like, we don't want to be social lepers just cause we're, you know, trying to live intentionally. But I think it's like, I don't know.

I would liken it to like, people used to like chain smoke every break that they had at work. That was like like I don't want to you know Be a social uppers, so I should go chain smoke with these people But it's like if you knew that that was unhealthy in the way that they didn't seem to know that it was You would like find some way to maybe go for the social aspect without like oh one second. That's excellent I love what you're saying because that's what people would say hey They were like why the only reason I smoke is if I't, I don't actually get to hang out with these people. That's actually really true. That's really cool.

So what's the solution? What I would say have one cigarette like like you social media very intentionally know what brings you joy, know what tears you down. Always keep in mind like the stuff that you're talking about, like this person set their phone up. This is just a presentation of an ideal life. This isn't real. I keep that kind of. But I don't. Yeah, that's that's great

But I don't know if our brains can know that there's these things called mirror neurons, right? And we've been talking about him for the last by we I mean neuroscientists for the last 15 years and it's this idea That we feel what we look at So like if you see somebody gets slapped in the face You might physically react as if you had been slapped in the face, right that kind of thing that's why pornography is so detrimental, because you can say this is just fantasy, but you don't actually know that. Like, you know that in one level of your mind, but the other part of your mind

thinks you're engaging in the thing you're viewing. It's hard. And so I agree that you can step back and say, look, this is fake. And that would help to say that. But I don't think you can do that. It's definitely hard. Go ahead. I think it's also having a community around you

that's living radically different. So like, for example, like at Saturday market, when we were down there, like it was a lot of college students, it was a lot, there's multiple ages, we're down here, downtown Stephen Mill, and people are having conversations, there's live music, we're listening,

no one's on their phones. And I feel like if someone came and they were like this, everyone's like, dude, what are you doing? We're listening to music. And like, but there's a culture around it. And we're actually making memories and doing things and interacting and eating real food. And I think by having that,

having something else calling you out, and then it's real social interaction, right? And having, so giving yourself like time limits, so like the one cigarette, so it's like, okay, I can be on social media for this one hour a day or something. Someone just said LMAO. I'm going to hide them from channel just for saying it. I'm king. No, I love what you're saying there.

Like, and because if you have the real thing, the fake thing is seen. It loses its appeal. So if you have real social interaction. But like I said, it's isolated media. Like you, because people don't have that type of community, like they're in school 24 hours usually, not, okay, eight hours. And then after that,

they usually have extracurricular activities and then they have music or swim or this or that and then they're home and they're only home for a short amount of time and they want to decompress and so they're on their phones. But then they feel even more depressed because maybe they're isolated from the school people they're in because they're around those exact same people for about eight years, you know, if you go to the same middle school and high school in your area and district. And then if you don't find your niche really, you know, you

go to social media, but social media is such an isolated place that you don't really have the real thing until maybe you go to college. And then by then you are, you're already on antidepressants and all that stuff. But like, I like what Neil is saying because it's so true that you can step away from social media, but it is so difficult to stay kind of, what's the word you used? Kind of like, yeah, yeah, but detached, yeah, you like being detached due to the fact that like it's so addictive. Right. That even if you... It's hard to regulate your use of it. Yeah, even if you're trying to stay like, okay this is fake and I'm not gonna scroll for hours.

Sometimes it's gonna happen anyways because it releases like hormones in our brain and we just wanna keep going. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but social media has created a mental health epidemic in the younger generation that I'm already seeing in everybody, like a lot of kids, you know?

I babysit some kids, other kids I don't babysit and I just observe. Like the parents hand them an iPad before they walk into the restaurant. I've been to so many restaurants where there's like three year olds on iPads. And I'm like, and they're fancy restaurants, don't get me wrong.

So I'm like, the kid probably doesn't want anything that's there anyways. But like when I was a kid, we always went to family friendly restaurants. We never went to expensive restaurants really, unless it was a special occasion, because I didn't want any food. I want chicken nuggets. So I'm like, what's the point?

And how my dad distracted us to eat food was he got us a peach. It was a canned peach. It was a half of a peach and he would split it between me and my sister and he would teach us how to cut it. And it distracted us until our food came. It was fantastic. That's a way healthier way. Parents are resourceful and kids do not need expensive, you know? Kids are trained to have expensive things like phones and computers and iPads and video

games and whatever. They don't need any of that. Give them a mud puddle, give them some boots and a frog and they're fine. At least I was. No, my kids do. Yeah. Let me ask what, cause I know you've been doing this for a while now, what video would you say you're most proud of or that you think the Lord has used to do the most good on your YouTube channel? I want to say probably the beginner's guide to the traditional Latin Mass. Cool.

That was a big one for everybody. I think that's the one actually has the most views. I'm not sure on that. But that one helped so many people where when we started getting suppression in Chicago for the TLM, people really wanted to support it, but they were like, I don't speak Latin. Do I need to do that to go here? Like, what do I wear?

What do I dress? Because these churches look so much more fancier than my Nova Sordo parish I go to. And so I made that video way before we had all these restrictions, but it ended up taking off right away because people were like, this has helped me so much, like understand the traditional Latin mass and feel comfortable and know what to

expect. And in reality, when you go enough times, I don't even suggest like bringing a book or anything, you know, the missile. Yeah. Just experience it. You know, just get in there and sit somewhere where you can still follow along with what people are doing. Let me ask you this for those who might be older. Maybe even we have older priests. I know I just learned there was some Irish bishops

who kind of watch this show sometimes. What would you say to them? How would you, like, why is there such an appeal to the Latin mass? Because I think older folks, certainly older than us, would be like, I don't understand it. How could this possibly be attractive? What is attractive to the Latin mass that younger people are, yeah, find attractive? I'm just gonna, I'm gonna say what, like, I don't understand it. How could this possibly be attractive? What is attractive to the Latin mass

that younger people are, yeah, find attractive? I'm just gonna, I'm gonna say what like I've experienced personally. Yeah. It's gonna sound weird, but you know those kids that are like, I was born in the wrong generation. We were literally talking about this on the way back. So like people, she's done, she's done with me.

Eight hour car ride, she's done. But she, but But basically, kids, kids, sorry, young adults and kids and teens, there's such an appeal for the traditional Latin mass because it feeds our souls and it feeds our roots. If, as somebody who is raised without a phone, as somebody who is raised with a real connection, you know, to dirt and just being okay with being dirty, you know, and having connection with God's creations. You know, I just saved a praying mantis and I save bugs all the time. Is it a worm? I don't care. It doesn't deserve to die, so I'm going to put it in the grass. I mean, I will literally stop traffic. I won't stop traffic.

So, by literally, I mean not literally. Not literally. Not for a worm. for a kitten I have though. But the fact of the matter is that we have roots that are kind of, as Catholics especially, burned into us almost. You know, 2000 years of tradition. That's a lot of years. And we really are looking for the reverence. We're looking for something that's real. Like Shia LaBeouf said, like something that's not gonna sell me a car. Right, like don't try to appeal to me.

It won't work. Just be who you are and that'll be attractive. Because kids, like the whole, I've taught, I've done a little like experiment. And I asked a group of young adults, like have you ever been to the traditional Latin mass? They said, no. And I'm like, what do you think of it?

They're like, well, we don't think it needs to be like that upscale and we think it's overdone and they put too much emphasis on it. And I'd be like, but are you willing to go and actually experience it once? And they're like, okay, all of them, 100% of them now solely attend the traditional Latin mass because they cannot go back to their Nova Sordo Pharisees.

When did you do this experiment? Last year. And how did you do that online or in person? It was literally just like, How interesting. It was just like a little group. And what did they say? And they were just like,

thank you for introducing us to this because we had no idea. Because people don't know, you know, they really don't until they go and experience it. And I was raised in the traditional Latin mass because my dad made sure that we knew what tradition was Yeah. Because people don't know, you know, they really don't until they go and experience it. And I was raised in the traditional Latin mass because my dad made sure that we knew what tradition was, because that's what he was raised in. He went to the TLM every day before going to school as a, you know, middle school.

And so he wanted me and my sister to be raised in that. And it was a really big deal for him. And the church, church the just the You know, I think because as humans were so visual the church really is heaven on earth and it should look like it God should have all the beautiful artwork that human hands could possibly create and some human hands can create some beautiful artwork I mean if you look up st. John Cancius, which is my home parish for those who don't know It's the most gorgeous church. I think've ever seen. I haven't been to Europe, so I'm going to say in the US, but I want to say that like it's probably the prettiest church I've ever experienced. And that feeds your soul because what you see and how, what's a good way to place this, how a church decorates is how they feel about

God, in my opinion. Yeah, and it's how they're teaching people to think about God too. Now, 100%, it feels like we are running out of sacred places and we just want to go somewhere where we can, as it were, kiss the earth and worship. And if our churches become mundane and people dress and walk around it like they might in a 7-eleven, like where do we go to experience the reverence? We're incarnate beings. We need physical, beautiful things. Exactly. Yeah, and neither of us are saying that the novus ordo can't be that, I think.

Yeah, I go to a very reverent novus ordo. It's very beautiful. Us too. Us too. But it's just like something happened in the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 1000s, where it was like, what if we just. Got rid of all that's beautiful. What if we became minimalistic? And worse than that, like minimalistic wouldn't be good, I agree. But it's like, let's make more garish art. And yeah, I mean, I don't know if you've seen. So we do the Rosary Rally outside of the Holy Name Cathedral

the first Saturday of every month to be like, you know, we're like, we want our Latin mass back. Oh, beautiful. Is that right? Tell me about, tell me more about that. So basically what happened- So, supich band? Supich band, the traditional Latin mass went on the first Sundays of every month, any holiday. So Easter, Christmas, you can't say the TLM. If a priest does say the TLM, he's not allowed to say any other mass after that

And it's not allowed for confirmations baptisms anything weddings. You can't say it How did your church react to that? How did the priests react to that? Unfortunately? The Institute of Christ the King like, you know got shut down for continuing to say the traditional Latin mass. They got banned from Illinois Oh my gosh, I didn't know this. I've been out of this. I heard vaguely, but on the peripheries, I haven't gone into it. So it's a Latin mass. These fellows at St. John Cantius continue to celebrate it.

No, it's Institute of Christ King. What did I say? Can't just. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's OK. So Institute of Christ, the king. But at that church continued to celebrate it. So they had their own little church on the south side kind of, and it burned down actually. They were trying to fundraise to rebuild it and they're still rebuilding it. They're still there, but they're not allowed to say public masses.

Okay. Correct? Yes. But did they get banned for continuing after? Oh, wow. Yeah, because technically they're not a part like they're valid in the eyes of Rome like they're in communion with Rome But technically they can do their own thing like they don't have to listen technically There's like a there's like a part of me, right?

It's like a maybe a conspiratorial part But I don't know how far-fetched it is that I wonder if there's part of the hierarchy that wants to drive Everybody to SSPX and then excommunicate them. Maybe that'd be so sad. Like if you love the traditional Latin mass and the SSPX aren't in Sism, so you would start attending there. It's I wonder if there's like some awful part of the church that wants to do that. I mean, I.

Which is so bizarre, because even though Latin mass people online have a certain people categorize them in a certain way and sometimes not unfairly. Rad trads. Yeah. Like there is like, you know, a streak. But when you meet people who go to the traditional Latin mass, they're just these like beautiful families that want a reverent liturgy and want sound teaching. They're not monsters. They're beautiful people.

If a baby is not crawling over me during mass, I don't want it. Like, I don't want it. Like, I have, I always sit with big families because the mom usually needs a little help anyways. And the kids, like, they just stare at you. They stare at your soul. The other thing I find that's beautiful is like,

there's also this characterization of Latin mass people and it's false, right? But it's like that they're prudish and uptight but if you go to Latin Mass there's lots of breastfeeding going and it's unashamed and it ought to be unashamed it's beautiful it's amazing and babies in our experience most of the time yeah this is it's alive yeah we had this experience when we used to go to the Latin Mass for the FSSP in San Diego. And we just felt frustrated because our kids wouldn't sit still.

And we would look at these other big families, these kids in their oversized suits that got handed down to them. And they were standing and kneeling and levitating. And we said to our priest like, we just don't know what to do. And we were so discouraged. And the priest said the most perfect thing that helped us. He said, don't worry. I know enough about original sin to know those other kids aren't normal. And you know, he was joking, of course, but it was just like the perfect thing. You

know, we felt so welcome. So that's so sweet. So, so okay. So now y'all are, you are, you're praying the rosary outside of where the Holy Name Cathedral. Okay. And that is a church that has been modernized a lot. Good for y'all. What a beautiful way to just say, hey, look, we love you and we respect your authority, Superch, but here's what we desire as our pastor. Can you grant us this? And we pray the rosary outside every Saturday around noon-ish, I think. But... How many people show up? It depends on the weather. It really does. In the winter. The first time we did it We had like 60 people easily easily

In the summer months we had to end up changing it from Sunday to Saturday because more people were able to make it and not Go to mass. Yeah, so now we probably still have a good 30 or 40 people I hope you keep going the issue is that Holy Name Cathedral is not a big fan of us. So what? Yeah, if you guys look at the tabernacle for Holy Name Cathedral, you guys won't even know what it is If you look it up, I'm gonna look it up right now And that like if you find it, let's put it on screen Holy Name Cathedral 30 people watching. Oh, hi guys. That's just that's just illustrative of how interesting you are. I love you all All right. So what are we doing? Are you what's it called? Holy Name Cathedral Tabernacle?

Let me know what you think of it Tabernacle-y. Enter, put glasses on, because I can't. Okay, home page. Okay, images. Ah, I'm on Microsoft Bing. Boo! Oh no.

Did you see, did you find it, Neil? Oh, this thing is, is that it? Yeah, that's it. It looks like an elaborate bottle opener. It looks like something from the alien movie. Oh no, I think it's an alien thing, yeah. Yeah, that's their tabernacle like an elaborate bottle opener. It looks like something from the alien movie. Oh, no, I think it's an alien thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's their tabernacle.

That's where Jesus is housed. And it's not in the back of the altar either. You throw that up on the screen, Neil. It's actually all the way on the left side of the church and pushed all the way in the back. You can't even see it unless you walk specifically back there. People let us know in the comments section below what you think of this.

And don't be afraid to say you like it. I'm not trying to make people feel bad. Are those like like real Christmas trees like it's huge. Yeah, it's massive It's ginormous and it it takes up the whole back. Yeah, and it's just see in this cigar lounge. You like it Yeah, cool. All right You're fired Did you see that statue that is I think somewhere in the Vatican? Yeah. Where there's that giant...

Yeah, you like that too? Well, I was like, this is really weird, and then it's supposed to be, somebody made it like, when they were worried about like, the Cold War, and so it's like, supposed to be like, the god over, you know, like, nuclear destruction of the world, like, kind of keeping... glory. Sometimes when you know why something has been put together, it helps. But I remember going to a Benedictine monastery in California and they were explaining to me all the symbolism and it was still an ugly church.

It's like, congratulations. But it's still there. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's our fans, Benedictine people. I've totally offended all of them. No, totally. Totally. But that was the well, this cigar lounge, we had to tear through five layers of, it sounds like a tangent, but it's not, tile and shag carpet to get to these gorgeous wood floors. And we had to get rid of drop ceiling to expose this gorgeous, I'll take you there and show you, it's beautiful, gorgeous tin ceiling. And I'm like, this is like what happened in the church.

Like, see this beautiful stuff? What if we covered it with crap and told you this was like good? We're like, still crap, still don't like it. Yeah. It's true. And we've had people like, we had this specific one time when we were praying the rosary outside,

little boy, probably about four or five years old, holding a sign and it was freezing outside. It was so cold. Like he was crying, but he was, he was strong though. Like he was, he was crying cause his hands hurt from holding the sign, but he refused to put it down. And so I gave him my hand warmers.

I was like, here kid, you need this more than I do. Did stupid respond to y'all? I think he blocked me on Twitter, but I can't he did. Yeah, that's right. I think he did. But, but this lady like came out of Holy name cathedral and yelled at the little boy for being on her stairs. Like she's just like, get down, get off the stairs. You guys aren't allowed up here.

And he was five little, five year old little boy. He was eating his little- That's not how you win sympathy with big traditional families, yell at children who are standing. Yeah, this poor kid, he started crying even more though, because he- Ah, bless him.

And so his mom like had like this giant coat, she just like put it over him. She was just like, just come here, child. But it was so cool. But yeah, it was really bad. And after mass, people were clapping and it was weird. Yeah, because I snuck in to go to the bathroom because I was like.

Oh, they were clapping at mass. Yeah, I was down in the bathroom because it's the church. And then if you go a little farther back, there's two staircases that go into the basement to the bathroom. So you can still hear what's going on. And people like clapping after mass and then they played like some of the sound Like Phantom of the Opera after would

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Welcome back to the podcast. Yes, yes, yes. All right. Bye love. Bye. That was my wife I was talking to. Not Amber. Some random person.

Or Neil. That would definitely be Neil. All right. Question for Amber from Pseudonymos. Fair enough. Cool. How do you recommend we try to convince older generations of the beauty and merit, oh we've done that, of the TLM, that have a dismissive attitude about it? Okay. So maybe just to, we kind of address that, but feel free to take a swipe at it. I would just say if you can, like just tell them the beauty of it. And if you can, if it's somebody close to you,

like maybe your parents or your grandparents or something, take them with, like honestly take them with, but yeah, I know we definitely addressed a lot of that. So I don't know, Chloe, do you have, cause you know a lot about that situation too. I mean, I never really run into that often because I'm just in the traditional Latin mass area. You're really trying to rope someone in on it and.

Yes, the older generation. Maybe you sit over there and speak into that if you want, just so we hear. Just because I know you have dealt with that. Well, I also think that it's so important that as traditional Catholics that you remain joyful. Yeah. Because they want you to be angry and and insulting and it's true.

Yeah, I mean, I would say the number one thing of course is to lead by example. And that can be hard when you feel that you need to explain every step that you take within your faith and it can be criticized a lot, especially when you are in the TLM community. Yeah. But I do think that as long as like Matt said, keep that joy. And I do think that that that's so infectious

and people will go, where did they get that joy from? I want some of that. Yeah. Oh, and they'll follow you. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good. This person said, who's a super chat, Max a million.

Amber and Chloe agreed with me that Matt is a boomer. Oh really? Oh, Max, no. How dare you, Max. I love Max. Shout out to Max a million. He's one of our friends. He's our friend.

Well, he paid me $5. So I'm okay being called a boomer for $5. Hi, Max. We love you, Max. Joe Lankin says, Matt, why do you and other apologists no longer get imprimatur or nihil obstat on your books? When is it required? When is it not? Well, I don't know if it's required, but that's usually up to the publisher, whether or not they think it's worthwhile. I suppose most of my books don't. Well, some of them kind of deal with theological issues

full on. But I would imagine if you're kind of writing a textbook or something more authoritative in which you're teaching, then you would need or it would be good to get that. But that would be my answer to that. Hey, Amber, what's the worst thing about being a Catholic YouTuber? Oh, from Matthew and Taro. I definitely I actually think I have a YouTube video coming out about this on Tuesday, so tomorrow.

Oh, interesting. But to summarize, I guess the fact that you are the example you have to set. And the fact that if you mess up, nobody gives you grace for it really. Like when you're in the public eye, you mess up, nobody gives you grace for it really. Like when you're on, when you're in the public eye, you mess up, people hold you to that for years, sometimes months. But there are things that sometimes still pop up where people bring it up and I'm just like, I know, okay, I know I said that, but I was young and I was learning. And I guess just the fact that sometimes it can be really hard to

Remember that there's somebody else on the other side of the screen, you know and really keep that that Professionalism and and everything. I mean you could also get addicted to social media I don't really have a problem with that too much because I just yeet my phone across the room 90% of the time, but But I guess mainly like having to set that example and you have so much responsibility on your shoulders when you do something like this to not lead people astray and it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of stress and there are some really cruel people out there that won't let you forget that but at the same time there are so many great people. So I don't know if there's anything I really hate about it. It's just, there's some more struggles than others.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Let's see. Emma says, how do we best teach faithful Novus Ordo attendees about the more traditional side of the church? Not just the mass, but ultra. Well, we've addressed this.

I don't want to keep saying the same thing, but I think there's something about living it and showing the beauty of it. Just throw them into a bus and tell them you're going to the supermarket, but take them to a TLM. Yeah. Noah says, which haters should we pray for the most? All of them.

Lisa says, I watch her on YouTube videos and I think she's so lovely. She is such an inspiration to my girls. Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you, Lisa. That is so cool. I love her. I had to Google who she is. I've never heard of her.

After reading a bit about her and her story, I definitely want to catch the interview. not a question, but that's a nice little thing. I appreciate it. Yes. Oh, here you go. Do you guys have any advice guidelines for veiling at mass? I converted last year and my wife reverted we attend a reverend novus order and there's a lot of veils My wife likes how they look but doesn't know a lot about them and if there are rules about different colors or styles, et cetera, thanks for all you guys do. I love that. Yes. So obviously, I mean, veils are gorgeous. They represent our, you know, our modesty, humility. It's a way to kind of mimic our lady. You know, she always veiled

and she was always in the presence of God. She was always in constant adoration because she was, you know, she always had Jesus. And so it's a way that we can kind of mimic our lady, but also show the reverence that is due to God, you know, it's almost like a submissiveness. Those things that are veiled are holy, like the altar is veiled, the tabernacles veiled, and we should veil ourselves as well. So the colors of the veil, there's black for married women and then there's white for unmarried women. Some guys use that as a dating tactic. They're just like, oh, she's-

They're like tagged like bears in the wild. Yeah, she's just like, okay, she's wearing a white veil, she's available. That doesn't always mean she's not having a boyfriend, but when you're married, you usually wear a black veil. You can also wear different colored veils. I have blue because I love blue. I wear them on Marian feast days.

I also have a pink one. I think Chloe has a black one with gold trim. That's really pretty. It's pink with black trim. It's pink with black trim. You know what? I'm colored black. What was it like the first time you veiled?

I've been veiling since I was a child. My mom always tried to stick a veil on me and I was like, nope, that's not happening. My sister and I would fight over one specific veil. There was a really fancy, beautiful one that you would think we would go for. But we didn't want that. We wanted this simple, tattered little off white veil that was like probably seen one too many masses. And we just fought over it constantly

because it was lightweight, so we didn't feel it. And I just did not want anything on my head. But coming back into my faith, I took that tradition and I actually researched into why we do it. You know, the reverence behind it, holy things are veiled and, you know, in the Bible, like women are veiled and you know, in the Bible, like women are veiled and so I- Paul talks about it too. Yeah. Yeah, that women should veil. Yes, and so I really took that to heart

and I was like, I should do that. I'm not perfect, I forget my veil a lot, but I still do. Yeah. And I found that it really humbles me, you know, because I can do my hair before mass, I can do, I can get all glammed up and everything, but then I cover it with a veil and I'm like, oh yeah. how we John Jonathan page I was talking about this recently where he said how you dress means something and even if you say you know what like I'm just gonna wear jeans and Nikes and I don't need to dress up and it's like okay but that itself makes a statement there's no neutral dress. a statement. There's no neutral dress. And, you know, but I think for a woman, not being one myself, I only have to imagine that, you know, you can get dressed up to go out to

dinner. You can get dressed out to go on a date, but you're probably not wearing a veil during those things. So adding the veil is this like physical reminder that something is different. Yeah. Something is holy. Something is different. And I think I did a YouTube video on it a while back. I was gonna remake it though, because the cringe level was very high. But it's true because when you're veiling, as a woman, at least in my experience,

Chloe can talk on this too, I feel like it's no longer about me. I can do my mass, I can be like, everybody's gonna look at me cause I look so pretty. But in reality, it's like, that's not what it's about. Like the mass isn't about a dating game. It's not about trying to find a husband. Like do that afterwards.

You know, take your veil off afterwards. Yeah, exactly. You know, when we're in mass, we should be focused on God. And I think wearing a veil not only helps me get into that mindset, but also helps the men, you know? And be like not distracted by her hair or anything. I don't know if that actually happens. Hair is beautiful.

It is. Yeah. I think, you know, when you walk into a church, especially St. John Cantius. Just speak right into the mic if you don't mind or else they won't hear you. You know, I think when you walk into a beautiful church, especially when you walk into St. John Cantius, you know, the beauty engulfs you. And it's just overwhelming how much beautiful art and colors and just incredible beauty that's around you. Oh, he's excited about something. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

I just read something that offended me. I apologize, you were making a point. I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead, girl, go. Okay, T. What I love about Bailey is that you almost camouflage yourself in That's good because you're taking the attention away from you. It's not about you It's all about God's all the glory to God and I just think it's such a beautiful way to

Accept the beauty you have as a woman and to just engulf yourself with the Lord and with him only so true I love that Thank you say lmao. Here's what I know that offends me with this. This is that. Thank you. Did he say LMAO? Here's what I know. No, that offends me. But this, this is sad. This person said, um, that she wore a veil for a few months. This is one of my local supporters. Um, but then she stopped after being lovingly confronted by one of our Deacon's wives.

Oh, it's always a Deacon's wife. And then she says, I've been contemplating. Ions wives. Oh, it's always the deacons wife. And then she says, I've been contemplating. I've been. Yeah, that's right. I've been contemplating it again as I need the piece it brings me. Wear it and then go right up to the deacon's wife and give her one if she wants to wear it. And so here's a spare just in case. I think obviously I think the answer is like, if you go to church

and you're judging people for either wearing or not wearing like you Need to repent of that. Yes is not your business, but someone confronting you on a tradition of the church That's perfectly acceptable is unacceptable. Yeah. No, I completely agree you Definitely should not have to put up with that because I mean when I feel that enough sort of I would get looks but nobody ever Was bold enough to say anything, when I bailed out of Nova Sordo, I would get looks, but nobody ever was bold enough to say anything. But I feel like deacons' wives, I'm sorry, I've had so many bad experiences with deacons' wives. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. But I'm not sorry. It's because of the fact that they feel like they have power because they're a deacon's wife. I don't know what it is, but it's like, they're just like, my husband's a deacon and I can say what I want and I can help run the church

It's almost like Susan from the parish council You could call her Susan. No, don't do that. That's judgment. I'm sorry Susan No, you should wear it as an act of defiance. You really should and you know what get some crazy colors stand out Yeah, just like the opposite of what we say You want to blend in so like leopard skin colors stand out. Yeah, it's like the opposite of what we're saying. Because you want to blend in. So like leopard skin. All right. Aaron Whitlow says, Hello, Matt, I am 22 years old. I am a 22 year old official convert.

As of last August, your videos have played a huge part through my research and conversion. Glory to God. So I just want to say thank you. Also, for an actual question to Amber, what is solid advice you can give to younger guys around my age on how to properly date a woman in the Catholic Church? There you go, Amber.

I'm already old fashioned man with older morals, but I am not sure if my Protestant approach to dating should be any different. All right, so there you go. There's a man who's one year younger than you, who would like some advice on dating. So the first thing I have to say is that, you know, so the young adult groups that a lot of young adults groups I've gone to, the guys instantly are just like, are you married yet?

You have a boyfriend. It's not even like, oh, hi, how are you? Like, you want to get to know me? It's just like you married. No, do they really say that? Yeah. Yes Yep up front instantly because they want to know whether or not you're worth dating or not Well, you've been having a chat with her the coffee because if you're not worth it, they're like, why would I worth? Why would I waste my time talking to you? If you're not gonna date me basically attitude? Are you okay? I really want to see you're not exaggerating someone comes up to you. This is having more than what I've experienced They've said hey, are you married? Yeah, have they really done that?

Yeah, the hell I've had a guy grab my hand and like look to see if I had a ring on it And so now sometimes I do wear it right? This is this is a great advertisement becoming a nun today for women. Yeah, so my main thing is like approach a woman with intentions of not dating at first. And approach her with the intention of getting to know her. She's a person for goodness sake. She's a person. She's not an object.

But like approach her with being like, hi, my name. And also have that. My name is, my name is John. What is your name? Stuff we learned in kindergarten, guys. And don't grab her, don't. Ever, ever, ever, ever. Don't do that, okay?

I'm sure you wouldn't, but whoever asked this question. But I'm just saying like in general, just be confident in who you are and go up to her and be like, hi, my name is blank, not blank, but my name is and just get into conversation with them. It's really not that hard. Women appreciate that. Just don't be weird.

Don't be weird. That's it. Women really appreciate it. And then, you know, if you have a sense of humor, that's even better because girls love a sense of humor, but not a weird sense of humor. You know, like a funny sense. Not funny ha ha.

Funny weird. Funny weird. The age gap. I love it. Not funny ha haha. Funny weird. The age gap. I love it. Not funny haha. Funny weird. It's like when people eat and they're like, is it hot, hot or hot, hot?

Like you just said the same word four times, you idiot. That's what I do with drinks. But it's one of those things where like approach her with the intent of getting to know her, not with the intent of dating her right off the bat. Right, calm down champion. Yeah, because- But then when they wanna ask you out,

how should they do that? So when you finally like figure it out, here's the thing, I think too many people get in their heads about dating. Dating does not mean you're committed to that person right off the bat. You can go on three dates and be like, sorry, it's just not working out.

It shouldn't be this huge like, oh my gosh, I have all these expectations and they need to meet all of these. It should not be an interrogation of checking off a list and being like, how old are you? 25, too old. You know, Leonardo Caprio who? So, yeah.

I got that reference. Got that reference. You know, and it should. Yes, there should be a bell that I ring whenever I get a joke you make. You're still with it. It's true. And so it's like, it shouldn't be checking off a list.

It should be getting to know them for who they are, not for who you want them to be. Preach. You know? And so you should just get to know them. And if it doesn't work out, don't be like, oh my gosh, I committed to this person because I asked her on it.

You know, you're going to save yourself so much more time and you're going to save her so much more time. If you're upfront and honest, like, hey, I would love to like stay friends or something, but this just isn't going to work out. Like, you know, I'm going to save yourself so much more time and you're going to save her so much more time. If you're upfront and honest, like, hey, I would love to like stay friends or something, but this just isn't going to work out. Like, you know, I'm going to do this. So saying something like, hey, can we get a coffee sometime would be just just and then get to chat and so.

But then what would your advice to to to women be? My advice to women? I mean, you can definitely let you let a guy know you're interested in them by spending time with them. You know, you can... Because I've heard people say, if somebody asks you out for coffee, go out for a coffee. But I don't think that's true.

If the guy's weird, don't go out for a coffee. Yeah, agree. Say no, like definitely say no. But like, yeah. Because if you don't like him, girl, she, like don't do that, you know? But I definitely think there are a lot of times I've yeeted myself out of situations where I'm just like you know

because the guy was just like so creepy and no offense little little little little sprinkle of offense but does the fact of the matter was I felt so uncomfortable that I'm like, no, absolutely not. There have been other people where I'm like, I would just get a coffee with you as a friend. I would let them know, I think of you as a friend, not friends on them. Men love when they hear that. Yeah.

But some guys are like, if they're really chill, they'll be like, yeah, if you're not interested in dating but you still want to be friends and chit chat, I'm fine with that. Do you think part of the awkwardness has to do with how divergent the secular and Christian culture have become? Because I think in my parents generation, people still dated and weren't necessarily looking to fornicate that afternoon, right? And were open to marriage and children. Whereas today, I think many people may not at all be open to that. And so maybe there's this pressure to let you know really quickly why I want a date. Maybe that I saw this thing on Twitter where like it was a tick tock, but people

reposted on Twitter and this girl left her boyfriend of four years because he wanted children and she didn't. So she was leaving him. Yeah. And I was like, well, it looks like he dodged a bullet there. Yeah, honestly. But like, it's so true though. There's definitely a difference with, you know, after the sexual revolution, things just exploded and look where we are today. Like, yes, Roe v. Wade was overturned. That's such a blessing. But now we have even bigger problems. You know, we have to fight back on contraceptions. We have to fight back on sex before marriage. We need to, we need to really ignite like human dignity again in people. Because when women uphold

themselves to a certain standard, women, men are forced to uphold themselves to a certain standard in order to be with those women. So I really think women have a lot of control in society. And if we start upholding ourselves and being like, no, you do not get to have sex with me before marriage, and then walking away and that guy's just like, well, we'll just find someone else who does. Well, then you dodge the bolt with that guy. But if that guy was just like, wait, no, I really liked you.

He tries to be better for himself. I mean, women make men better. We bounce off of each other. We we compliment each other. If you're like, how many movies have you seen where the guy's like some bum and then the girl comes around and at the end of the movie, he's like this hot dude with like spray tan. See, it's funny you say that because in my estimation, all chick flicks are the exact opposite. They begin with a dorky, self-conscious woman who removes her glasses and throws her hair back after having been pursued and her beauty been actually seen.

So it obviously goes both ways. Men make women better. But I think it's because Hollywood perverts things so often. So really it's something I've noticed with men a lot. I think men are afraid to ask women out because men are so often painted as being creepers Or what do you think you're younger than me? I mean, I think that Can they hear you yeah, I mean I guess looking back at my experience

I think that there's this a lot of weight put on the idea of like dating somebody or not that guys kind of carry around with them. And so it is sort of, I can imagine guys just walking around with the idea of asking somebody out to date in their head being this dramatic big thing so that there is no way for them to really do it casually. Because for them it's a huge thing. It's this rejection or not. Like psych themselves up. That's a great point. do it casually, because for them it means this huge thing. It's this rejection or not. Like psych themselves up.

That's a great point. Yeah, and so I think it just, I don't know, I guess that's the whole thought. Is it just, it doesn't have to be that big of a deal. You can just say, you know, hey. Would you like to go on a date with me? Yeah, do you want to go on a date? Yeah.

Because it's really just kind of hanging out, but also like, you're not saying, hey, let's just be friends. Yeah. You're like, you know. It could lead to something more exclusive. Right. Yeah.

And if you don't mind me, in a general way. Please do. Go for it. I do. Just speak right into the microphone. From what you were saying earlier, I do think there's a big gap between secular dating and even just Christian dating,

even if we want to make it more vague. You know, there's either like Netflix and pair bonding, or like let's hang out one on one and read some Jobe. I mean, I think it could feel a little awkward. You are the best. I love her. I do too.

It could feel a little awkward and I think that it's tough, it's hard to bridge the gap and so I think that's why we, there's a lot of awkwardness when it comes to the Catholic dating community is people just don't know how to approach it. Because I don't think I don't think it's the case that, well, Catholics are just weirder because I want to go there right away.

I would be like, yeah, traditional Catholic guys is weirder. And there might be some truth in that, but I don't think so. It also depends on how what you experience weird to be, because in my estimation, just trying to hook up with someone the day you meet them is super cringy and weird and pathetic. But if the other person doesn't find it that way, then they're not accused of being pathetic. But it's true. It's an interesting. There is a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure, especially on younger generations, because now it's even harder.

I mean, I think it's a little easier in the Catholic circle to kind of find someone you click with because at least Your religion is the same. So hopefully your morals are the same in the sense of like abortion and sex before marriage But there are still so many issues that you run into in the Catholic circle. There's so much division still where it's like I've ran into so many guys who don't want their girlfriends to have jobs or anything even even while dating. Did I lead with that? Oh my gosh. Twice. Oh my gosh. I've had people ask me like, what do you do for a living? And I'm like, oh, well here, let me give you my card. Like I'm a Catholic communicator and I also babysit and they're just like, no, they don't say that. They don't take my card. They do. It's unfortunate.

They're like, no, what's your real job? I hate people. You're like, this is my real job. This is what I do. And yet they listen to like Tim Gordon or you and stuff and they're just like, no, that's real stuff. Right, because he has... he's a man. Yeah, that's... I was gonna say something else, but yeah, that's sad. That's sad. Can I ask you something a little maybe controversial? Please, that's what this is about, man. Why do you think it is that, like, Christians and Catholics specifically are more often accused of kind of being misogynist than, say, the kind of modern, I guess, secular world? Because I think...

Do you want to answer that? No, you go first. I think that today most secular people wouldn't think that there are legitimate biological differences that make men and women more optimal to serve in different roles. I think so. I think you've got people who think well men and women are categories that are socially constructed. And then you got people who don't think that. And if those people say anything about, well, men are better at this and women are better than that, it's seen as misogynistic, I think. It also might be. It also might be a reaction

that is bordering on the misogynist. If a man was to say, maybe in response to this social craziness we're experiencing right now, well, women are whatever and they'll say something like they're not funny. No, or like they're not as smart or they're not something like that, which is like untrue. Like you'd probably want to know what the science says if you're actually trying to make a factual statement. But I could see Christian men responding to the insanity of today's woke left by going the other extreme and saying things that are false. I would imagine Christians are more likely to fall into that trap than secular people are. Yeah, I definitely agree because just

in my own personal experience as well, though, I think some guys can also misunderstand certain things in the Bible or they they this isn't like all guys but a lot of the guys that I've known who have gone kind of misogynistic are misunderstanding with some things in the Bible. You said they've gone kind of what does that mean? Like they don't want you to have a job and they want you to stay at home and be barefoot and pregnant your whole life like not that I don't mind being barefoot and pregnant eventually, but not right now, you know?

But the thing is, is it's like they'll take things out of context because it happens with converts a lot. I notice they're very like not to like, not to offend, but just true. But like I'll notice like converts will be so into their faith that they take something too seriously and they'll be like, women aren't allowed to to do anything. Have driver's license. Yeah. And it's interesting because then I'll point out like, you know, the holes are like, oh, well, this early church father said this, or you really need to put this part in context. And then they're just like,

well, you're a woman. So what do you know kind of thing? I've had it said four times to me. Do you think I would imagine that that strand of thought is more prominent in traditional circles? I think it's this desire to like, I feel like I have no roots and I'm floating throughout modernity and I want to latch onto something. And when I latch onto it, I want to be really friggin serious about it. Which is and it's like a new fundamentalism. And it's,

I'm not like trying to diss on people that are trying to like find their niche or anything, but some things like are just taken way too seriously. It's like the, it's obviously like the man is the head of the house. It's God, the man, the woman, the children, you know? But you have to talk about what that means too, right? Cause that can be horribly misinterpreted.

Right. So it's like the man is the- I'm not saying you have to do it now, but I'm just saying we have to be nuanced as we have these discussions. Look it up. Google's free. So just kidding. Don't go to Google.

It's awful. But it's just the fact that some guys, like they'll latch onto that, like you said, and then they'll come off as misogynistic and women are like, okay, like I want a job though. Like maybe not a full-time job job, but like a part time one. I feel like that conversation is appropriate as you near marriage. Right. So if I'm getting to know somebody and we're dating

and then we talk about our marriage together, obviously things like I would. I want to have like a large family or I don't. And then it's like and like it's important to me that like I would like my kids to be homeschooled, like I would like you to stay at home. Like I would like to provide for our family. That conversation in context isn't weird. But over donuts, the first time you've met is... There's a way to approach it.

I think the difference is stuff like the guy having the job and the woman not getting out much is kind of normal when it's a means to an end. It's like we want to, you know, raise a family together. This is the best way that we see to do that. You know, we want to live a certain way. But when it's your litmus test for displaying how Catholic you are. When it's at the beginning, it's not actually what it's supposed to be. It's just like you want ownership of this thing that you kind of don't even really see as a person.

Yeah. Because you can't talk to them as a person. They're only in this one context for you. I see. You don't want them, you know, out in the world because they can't talk to them as a person. They're only in this one context for you. You don't want them out in the world because they can't control themselves and don't, I think that's how a lot of people see women. And I think that degrades women. A lot of experience I've had with guys

are exactly like that, talking to them like, baby. I think so, Spiltrap. And I think, unfortunately, a lot of women, then they run really far in the other direction. Yeah. And then see, this is funny. You say that, right? Because that's what that's what I'm saying. It's like you have men just pendulum swinging

because they're like, well, that's insane. Like, look at modernity and men not knowing if they're men and women not knowing if they're women and nobody knows what marriage or sex is. And so we just like rush to this maybe false, yet more traditional view of things. And then, as you say, women, you say say go to the other extreme, which looks like what? I mean, the really far extreme is just embracing the more modern view of feminist news. Like new age stuff?

Yeah. Of I don't ever need a man and men actually, I see no value in that. I hate men. It's just, it's very selfish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely the belief and contraception and a lot of just the new age evil thinking that can disguise itself as looking very good

and empowering and in reality, it's actually breaking you down. It's so true. As a woman, it's taking, it's stripping you away from what you really are. But I think both of these things happen when you don't have roots. When you're not rooted in who you are in Christ and in have roots. When you're not rooted in who you are in Christ

and in the church, when you're not rooted, that's when that starts happening. And that's why it's so important to make sure you know, you know, context behind certain things. And I think it comes with a level of pride as well, you know, and so it's just important to have those roots. Maybe this is a little out of hand, but I feel the urge to just make a public service

announcement to everybody. I love public service. Guys, you are deserving of love. You deserve to be chosen. You deserve to have excellence drawn out of you when seeking after somebody. And girls, you also are deserving of love and, you know, to be treated and considered as a person and make your own decisions. And, you know, preach. One thing I heard Jordan person and make your own decisions and, you know. Preach.

One thing I heard Jordan Peterson say about marriage, which I just loved, his point was like in marriage, he's like, you want someone to contend with. Yeah. He's like, cause what do you want? Like you want just some like wispy woman to pat you on the head and tell you how great you are and sprinkle rose petals in front of you. He's like, maybe that'd be nice for a few weeks or months. Yeah. But eventually don't you want someone in your corner who sees the you that you aren't yet but could be and calls that out of you?

And I like one of the things I love about my bride is that she is, I say powerful, but by that, I mean, competent and just she's never led me astray. I think there's like a special charism in marriage that I could ask the opinion of a hundred people concerning some important thing I'm about to do. But there's a certain wisdom that she has. And I don't know if it's cause of our sacrament of marriage that like she's never led me astray. You know, it's so important. Yeah.

Amen. Neil, thanks for saying that. Yeah, it was really good. It is so hard to have these discussions today. Yeah, like there's no room for any kind of nuance, right? Even if you said it as well as you could. You can literally say anything and someone will take it the wrong way. Someone it'll be one person, but they'll do.

That's a good that's a question. So how do you know that you're on the right track when you produce videos? Because I would imagine you're like me, where you've decided I can't go by what my commenters say. Yeah. Because it's a crazy house in there. Some people say all sorts of horrible things. Some people say all sorts of kind things.

You really wanna get the opinion and encouragement and advice from those you respect, like Chloe or others. So how do you go about that? So my main thing is I look at real world events today and I don't look at it to be like, oh my gosh, this title is gonna get the most views, you know, kind of thing. I look at it to see what's relevant.

What is something that I've gone through in my past that I could talk on that people are going through today? Whether I see it on Instagram reels, I see it on the news, I see it on, you know, some kid emails me and they're just like, this event happened and it's really, and if I get like multiple emails about one specific event or one specific topic, I'll do the topic, because I'm like, you know, if multiple people want it,

I might as well. But when it comes to my content, I specifically stay with my own story and what I've experienced, what I'm going through, how my faith life has grown and is continuing to grow. And then of course I get Chloe's opinions on things. We just started a series on my podcast called Girl Talk

because I had over 400 girls email me asking me about boyfriends and things and how they need more girl talk type episodes on YouTube and Facebook and all these things. And I'm like, cool. But I'm like, I'm very earthy. I'm a very earthy girl. I'm not feminine feminine like Chloe is, you know, which is a great trait of ours.

We're so different in the fact that I love dirt and frogs and stuff and hiking and camping. I did wilderness survival. I'm a certified scuba diver. I've repelled off 50 foot towers. I've done stuff. Quick story about my wife. So my wife grew up as a tomboy. If she grew up today, she would,

some ideology might force her to think she's something that she isn't right, but just that beauty of people being different. My wife as a child was forced to wear these big frilly dresses, but she would wear pants under them so she could rip the dress off and go play soccer with the boys

as soon as mass was done. That was me. Yeah. Good. Yeah. I love it though. That is so true. And I think I'd always have dirty feet.

My dad would be like, wear your feet dirty. I'm like, I don't wear shoes. It's cool. You know? But yeah. And so we started the girl talk episode because I had so many girls email me about these issues and I'm like, as much as I would love to give my two cents, I think it's unfair because I'm very earthy and as I would love to give my two cents, I think it's unfair because I'm very earthy

and I can give my own opinion, but I think I should also have a second opinion of like really, you know, feminine side of things. Like Chloe's really motherly and she knows how to do her makeup unlike me. And she, you know, stop. But like she's really embraces like the mother role in a sense of like the feminine mother role.

And I'm more like the cool aunt that likes to like give kids sugar before they go to bed so you know we have that difference but I wanted to get those two opinions so we started the girl talk series on my podcast and girls are raving about it they're just like this is perfect this is exactly what I needed and so it depends really on the content you know if I feel like it's relevant to the to today you know then I'll talk about it. But if it's not, then I'll usually probably talk about my story or stuff because genuinely

that's what my channel is about. It's about my story and helping people come back to the faith like I did. That's awesome. You ever heard of Jason Everett? Jason Kristallina Everett? I've read his book, like, How to Find Your Soulmate Without Losing Your Soul. I love Jason. I don't think anyone's doing as good a job as they are. He's good. Kind of talking about the beauty of virtue of chastity, you know But that's cool that you know have this platform. What's crazy is how things surpass other things, you know, yeah because of new technology

It's crazy. So it's like even though Jason is brilliant and has been speaking on this issue to literally millions of people around the world And use social media comes along and then like if you're on it, you rise and you've got a platform that he may not have or whatever. Yeah. But we can totally learn from each other and bringing people's thought to the to the four. Yeah, absolutely. It's crazy how technology has changed and will continue to change. I mean, we might not have Instagram in like the next three years.

We don't know with the amount of times it changes. The only thing we really will have is probably like email and the web. Everything else will probably change. So with the web, the internet. This person says, I, this is weave 88. He says, I have a two year old girl and I'm pushing very hard for her to be a nun due to the minefield that is modern dating. And then he says mostly sarcasm, which I hope is true. Let me say two things and then let you speak. I don't feel that way at all. Like I like I have sometimes joked with my daughters. I'm like, you are welcome to marry if you find a man who loves you more than Jesus. But I don't mean, I don't mean that. Right. I'm being and they my children know I don't mean that. And whereas I would like them to be open to the possibility of becoming a

nun, there are actually a lot of amazing men. I think this is like this myth that it's like true. We're all becoming increasingly depraved and awful and therefore marriage is impossible. Like, no, I know so many young men who go to Franciscan here and young women who are just good and beautiful and decent and normal. And so just this this this despair that, well, my, you know, look how crazy things are. I mean, I get it. You love your child.

You want what's best for them. And so I get the place it's coming from. But I would just say be at peace because our Lord was raising up saints in the first century of the church where Paul was telling the Corinthians to stop, like, for fornicating with their mother in laws. Right. All sorts of crazy crap was happening then. Mm. Crazy. And it's like, it's not it's like, yes, technology has advanced and the opportunity

for depravity is a lot nearer perhaps. But the Lord is still raising up saints and there are good, decent, well-rounded men and well-rounded women. And yeah. But what do you think? No, I completely agree. I'm a babysitter. I've been a nanny for almost like 18 years. It's no, eight years. Hang on, I gotta do math.

No, maybe it was like ever since I was 10, whatever. I can't do math and I'm 23 now. Somebody else do the math in the comments. I'm 23, I can't do it, I'm giving up. Yeah, I give up. It's not gonna happen. It's my Gen Z trait. So I babysat so many kids and I've seen so many kids go into the real world

who were sheltered by their parents and just give into everything the world had to offer them because they never knew how to handle it. They were never exposed to it. They were just like, alcohol, what's that? You know? And so when they went to college, They were just like, alcohol, what's that? You know? And so when they went to college, they went into the real world, they just gave up.

They let loose. They got away from their faith. Whereas kids who are brought up in their faith, I mean, I was brought up, we helped the nuns out in Chicago, like make soup for the soup kitchen to give to the homeless. I was a three-year-old chopping a carrot with an apron that was way too big for me. And the nun took the time to help me with the knife. It was a butter

knife, but like it took me forever to saw through that carrot. But she really took the time. And so I always had an appreciation for nuns. And when I went to go stay with some Dominican sisters back in last year in October, it was just a fantastic experience, but I knew it wasn't for me, you know, and I still have a high appreciation for them. But when you raise the kids in the faith, but you still tell them about the dangers of the world, but that you shouldn't be afraid of it, you know, because it almost becomes forbidden fruit. Right. And, but then you also are raising children who have this defensive posture against the world that isn't healthy either. Right. Yeah. You know, like this. You've seen, we've seen that in people, right? Where they kind of

get raised in these strict environments where everything is evil. But first of all, this is not true. And so it's not helpful to say things that are false. Most things are not intrinsically evil. Right. You know? Right. Jeff Thomas says, I'm a 25 year old man and I learned so much from Jason Everett's The Dating Blueprint. Amber speaks truth. I'm not in a relationship, but still looking. Can't wait for the book club. You have a book club? Yeah. The book club starts in October 3rd. Yeah. We're starting with the Screwtape Letters

by C.S. Lewis. Really excited for that. This person, Mark, says women can help by giving men, creating the opportunity for men to approach, hang out after mass, go to events, let men talk to one on one in group settings. Fair enough. Yeah, I do think that women tend to stick with their clicks, their girl clicks quite a bit and it can get hard. It can be hard to get them alone. I've even experienced that. Trying to get girlfriends. I'm just like, you know, um, that's how Chloe and I met though. I love, I love that my guys are like,

maybe they're not my guys, maybe they came over here cause they've been on your channel, but I love that they're asking you dating advice. This person says, question for Amber, once a girl gives you the old, I just want to be friends, is there any chance that girl will change you? There's no chance.

I'm sorry. I mean, I'm sorry. If she says it, she means it. You know, if she wouldn't say it, if she didn't mean it. I think what's frustrating for men is they get told two things. They get told you're too passive and you don't approach women. And then when they do approach women, they're accused of being awkward. And fair enough, maybe they are, but it's kind of awkward thing to do, right?

So they're accused of being awkward or they're accused of like, I already said no. So yeah, it's a bit different. I think women also need to give the men some grace due to the fact that like, a, they need to check themselves as well because men will approach a woman and then the woman will be like, no, I'm not interested. But then she'll be like in the background and then he'll be like, oh, she's interested. And then he goes up and he's just like, hey, do you want to go on a date? And she's just like, now. Now. Now. Jacob Carter says, one thing about raising kids

is that you need to love them into heaven, but not scare them out of hell. Interesting way of putting it. Yeah, I feel that. Is that the older Super Chats map? Yeah, I think that's it, right? Are there some other ones? That's pretty good.

Are there? Emerson Wells is asking, being the head of the house, how do you think a wife can charitably discuss agreements with decisions a man has made in that role? Oh, so let me, let me kind of give you my thoughts on this whole submission thing, right? Yeah. And that's that like, I think what's important is whenever we discuss a difficult thing, that it can be helpful to begin by saying what we don't mean.

So if I talk to a Protestant about why I think Mary's a mother of God, it can help for me to take some time to say what I don't mean by that. I'm not saying Mary preceded God. I'm not saying that we don't worship Mary. Likewise, if I talk to a Muslim friend about the Trinity, it's important that I say what I don't mean when I say the Trinity. You want to do that because you don't want people to come in with preconceived ideas, You want to do that because you don't want people to come in with preconceived ideas but at some point you have to then say what you do mean. Okay so when you look at a difficult passage from Ephesians 5 where Paul says husbands are the head of their of their wives or something to that effect I don't have the exact words in front of me right. It's important right. in a day and age and in a society where women have been like objectified and used and discarded like that's like the pornographic culture is that. Okay so in and where women are mistreated by men it is very important that you don't I think if you want to be heard at least maybe you don't but if you do that you begin by saying what you don't mean and you should say things like that doesn't mean that the woman becomes a walking mat for her husband that does not mean you know that a woman shouldn't. I'm. Shouldn't seek that role nor should she contradict her husband unless she has good reason to that there should be this sense of submitting to the good her husband wants for her because no one should submit to a tyrant right nobody wants to submit to a tyrant so if you hear women submit your husband's and you here.

Allow him to dominate you you are right to rebel against that, right? But I think there's a sense in which a woman wants Well, I don't know if she does or not But I talked about my wife like my wife wants me to lead our family in love and as a servant She wants to submit to my authority You know She even little things right like wants me to lead the prayers for our kids Like once me to have the head of the table, right and that's not a dominating thing, right? Okay

That's what I think that means But then if you read people like st. John Chrysostom in his commentary on this what he'll say are things like okay He quickly says that and then he says now you love your wives, right and he sent John Chrysostom Bishop right? fourth century right father of the church You love your wives, right? And St. John Chrysostom, bishop, right? Fourth century, right? Father of the church. He'll say, now, what if she disrespects you?

What if she talks down to you? And then he says, what about it? You do your duty and you love her. How did Christ win over the church? Not by dominating, not by tyrannizing, but by laying down his life. You do the same thing. There's a few thoughts on it. I agree. There's another one to Enoch and Elijah.

Matt and Amber, y'all are doing great work. Just wanted to give that affirmation. Thank God. We love affirmations. We love to be doing the right thing. I know. Beautiful. Glory to Jesus Christ. Also, I know in like arguments and stuff, I'm just throwing a tidbit of like information out there.

You're having an argument. Guys, so this is like scientifically proven that women like to be face to face and guys like to be doing something while they're talking to their women. So they prefer to be side to side. To their women, I like it. They prefer to like be working with their hands

while their woman's talking to them. Whereas women prefer face-to-face contact because they want to make sure that they're being heard and through eye contact and stuff. So one of the best ways you can do that, though, men and women is if you're having an argument, the best solution for it is to hold hands like this across the table with each other and talk to each other in each other's eyes. That's the best way because then you're like physical person. I'm talking to the love of my life, hopefully. Like, I don't want to say something that's going to hurt them. And when you're looking at their face, it's so much easier.

Thank you for saying that. That is a really cool thing to kind of change your physical posture, even in a way that's not usual, like holding hands in a different way so as to remind yourself that's so true, because my wife, she's so cool, she's so cool. She's so choleric. You know what I mean by that? Like she walks. This is this is how she realized she was so choleric. She said to me once, you know, when you walk into a room and you size up,

who's in charge and if no one's in charge, you take charge of the room. And I said, no, I have no idea. I've never done that. She went, really? So she's cool. I've never done that. She went, really? So she's cool. I love her. She's so cool. But what was I going to say about her? But but I mean, it's funny, like just because someone like you've

pointed out a few times that you tend to enjoy activities that aren't traditionally feminine. But I don't know. I think it sounds beautiful and feminine to me. It's just like maybe femininity doesn't have this strict, narrow. Right. That's what I mean. And you are motherly. You're a beautiful young woman.

Yeah. And so are you. But it's like this idea. This is what happens when you eradicate the sexes, you thereby eradicate sexual traits and then you make a mockery of them when you want to regain them either through drag queens, which is a mockery of femininity or by having these specific things that a man must do, feel, be like, speak like. And then you've narrowed it again.

Yeah, that's exactly what our first girl talk episode was on about how femininity looks different for everybody. Yes. And it's so important because there have been girls who have come to me and they're just like, I wear jeans and a t-shirt. Am I feminine? And I'm like, girl, yeah. Are you a woman? Then yes.

What is a woman? Well, we don't know that. We're not scientists here, guys. But yeah, it's just it's really important to know that femininity looks different on everybody. And that's important. I mean, you should still try, but like. But I do think it'd be kind of like if we eradicated what humans are. And we said humans don't exist. There's no humans.

It's just like. And then you put monkeys in. But then you then then there would be a subculture of people who would very much like to know what it was that people did when they thought they were humans. And then they would do that rigidly. That's kind of like that. That's actually really accurate. That's really accurate.

We had a super chat earlier from the J.M. Lu 11, which I need to try to scroll up and find particularly, but he was asking for just thoughts on receiving communion on the hand. It was back when you guys were talking about traditional Latin mass. Do you want to go? Do you want to go first? Are you afraid of what I might think? No. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm of, um, here's my, here's my general thought on that. I think it's optimal to receive on the tongue for a few reasons, but I don't think it's wrong to receive on the hand.

Here's here's the thing I try to sum up my ministry with. Right. And that's like a faithful Catholic should not only submit to what the church teaches authoritatively. A faithful Catholic should also not demand uniformity where the church allows diversity of opinion or custom. So since this has been allowed throughout our tradition and not just recently, I think it's permissible, but I don't think it's optimal. One, because I and he is my personal opinion.

So I'm giving my personal opinion because I think to handle something like I would handle other food doesn't sort of remind me of what it is I'm receiving. That's the first thing. The second thing I think that like if we do actually believe that every particle of the Eucharist is entirely the body, blood, soul and the divinity of Jesus Christ, then it's obviously far more likely that I could desecrate the host even accidentally. So I sort of accidental desecration by by becoming a part in my hand or something

like that. No, actually, feel free to give me your opinion if it differs to my. It's fine. I mean, I definitely agree. I'd never receive in the hand just for those specific reasons, because for me, the reverence of receiving on the tongue is so important because I'm not just receiving a cracker, you know, like how so many people in the Protestant churches do, you know, some guy, I guess, is doing like bread and grapes now because like how so many people in the Protestant churches do. Some guy I guess is doing bread and grapes now because grape juice is too expensive.

I don't know. Because wine, what? Yeah, grape, because in Protestant churches, they use a grape and a piece of bread or a crouton. Anyway, so for me, I could never trust myself to ever touch Jesus because my hands aren't consecrated. But also, like you said,

I could accidentally desecrate the host somehow and be sacrilegious in some way that maybe I don't even know I'm doing it. But for me personally, I could never receive on the hand. But there's a reverence that comes with receiving on the tongue where you know who you're receiving. You're kneeling before him. You are, you know, I don't know.

There's just something about it that makes me believe in the true presence even more. I don't know if that makes sense. It's like kneeling to receive, right? It's like, can you stand and receive? Obviously. Does it change the objectivity of what's taking place? No, but it does help to kneel to receive,

say in the Western church, because you're saying something with your body that Reminds you what what it is you're doing exactly Exactly. Oh, we got another super chat Jacob. We're just gonna stay live until super chat sis Is there any way besides church hopping to find a nice more traditional church mine barely feels Catholic ping to find a nice more traditional church. Mine barely feels Catholic. Honestly, you're literally just going to have to church hop. I'm sorry, but you have to.

The other thing might be to look up their website. You could probably ask a traditionally minded friend. Here's the thing. Even even the website for Kansas, I feel like isn't that great, to be honest. Like you actually have to go and see the community. I've been to some beautiful churches who have horrible community. I've been to a beautiful tiny church

that's maybe, you know, houses a few hundred people and the community's amazing. It's one of those things where you're really just, I'm sorry, but you're really gonna have to church hop. There's no real other way. Like the internet can only give you so much information on it. But when you go to their young adult groups, when you go to their church, their masses,

you really get a sense of what the church is about. You're not really gonna get it off their website because, let's be honest, church websites aren't the best. They probably use like Bing or Wix or something. And most of the time there's these huge floating icons that's like, Mary, I'll sparkly on the side with like a dove. And I'm sorry, they're not really put together that well. And so you might look at that and be like, Ooh, but then you go to the church and you're like, wow, the community here is amazing. Yeah. I think you really are going to have to unfortunately church hop. I'm sorry. Yeah. You'll be okay. You'll live. Yeah. Eight hour drive to church hop. It's me, it's us. Before we, okay, good stuff.

Do we have, oh good, we got Amber's channel in the description below. Click that, subscribe to her, share it, all that stuff. As I say, I think you're doing a great, great job. Oh, thank you, I appreciate that. I mean that, you know, sometimes it's hard to take compliments, like I don't, but there's no way I would have had you on my show if I was like,

this girl's not good. I thought you were amazing. Just like why? So I'm so glad you're on the show. Thank you. But I want to let people know too, that we're about to release a five, a seven part video teaching series by Dr. Ed Faser, who's a well renowned expert on Thomism and Aquinas's five ways.

And to get access to that, go to matfrad.locals.com, click the link in the description below, become a supporter, and you'll get access to it. We're going to release the first one Friday. I think you brought him in, did you? Yeah, yeah, sweet. So it's going to be really good. Dr.

FaZe is brilliant. And he's going to go over in great detail Thomas Aquinas's Five Ways for God's existence. Anything else you want to say or chat about before we wrap up? No, I think we covered a lot of great stuff. And thank you for having me. This is a really fun time. I love coming here and Being here awesome, and it's sunny. So maybe you can go do that tour of Franciscan. Oh, yeah, maybe like we drive around a little bit

She might I've never been to over to other I I'm so excited because this is this is one of those things that I absolutely love doing where I love meeting people. The internet's great, you know, it is, because it makes these connections. But actually coming, actually like talking and like having conversations and hanging out and stuff, it's a completely different level, you know? Social media, eh, you know? But when I get to meet people,

when I get to meet my followers, when I get to travel and talk to so many people in person, I get to see their faces, I get to make my followers, when I get to travel and talk to so many people in person, I get to see their faces, I get to make eye contact with them. It's just so different than talking to a camera. I love talking to my camera, it's fun. But when I actually get to experience the people who follow me and hear their witness

and hear their stories, it just proves to me that God put me in the right place at the right time. So my fear though is that you're gonna get a ton of dating requests from guys watching this show. But that might not be the worst thing. Is it really? It is. I actually had a guy send me an actual piece of paper

as to why he would be a good husband and I just had to sign it. You had to sign it. He sent it to me like a PDF and I would have to print it out and sign it or something and then send it back to him. See that's not awkward. Yes it is.

I mean I get a lot of dating requests. Oh my gosh we just got another super chat. We cannot stop when we get super chats. This person is Timothy McCormack. Hi Amber you helped me revert to the church a few months ago. I really appreciate your work. Oh my gosh welcome home. How good is the Lord? It's so good.

He uses a knucklehead like me and a lovely person like you. I won't call you a knucklehead. They bring people back to the church. How good is he? I call myself a knucklehead. Yeah. How good is the Lord? I do just want to let the stockers know though, cause there have been some sketchy, sketchy connections made, but not by Amber's own voluntary work there. There'll be some really sketchy letters she'll receive, some sketchy emails, and I do get concerned

that a little bit from now, you watch those crime documentaries, her smile lit up a room. I don't wanna have that with Amber, so let's tone it down, guys. Just a little. The emails should go through you. You need to hire Chloe to just kinda I don't want to have that with Amber, so let's tone it down, guys. Just throw it up. The emails should go through you. You need to hire Chloe to just kind of weed out the trash.

She kind of is already. She's like my secretary slash best friend. And maybe there's one guy who writes, like, you know what, I don't know if Amber needs to get this. I'll respond. Trash. Honestly, I should. We should just send all the emails to you.

It's getting to that point. It's getting to that point slightly. PSA ended. My bodyguardguard PSA. Best friend, bodyguard, secretary, driver. Yes, everything is the OK. So someone else wrote, is the tongue consecrated to receive the host? No, obviously. Yeah, I've heard people say this. And I think what it is is obviously like the priest's hands are consecrated, right?

To hold the host. And I don't know if this is a good response or not. I haven't thought it through a great deal, but I don't think the hands are any less holy than the tongue. It's both a bodily organ that has no right to be receiving God. But I think there's the the you know, like there's a there's a kind of pedigree to receiving on the tongue. And I for the reasons we laid out, that's why we'd prefer it. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool! God bless everybody.

Keep it real.