Pirate Wires - CEO Assassinated, Deranged Leftist Response, Hunter Biden Pardoned, Judge Denies Elon’s Tesla Shares

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

Episode #79: We’re back.. and in person! This week, the PW crew is in Miami.. so we’re finally doing an in person episode. Don’t mind our festive hats. The UnitedHealthcare CEO was assassinated in New York City this past week. What looked like another story on crime in NYC, quickly turned into a full on targeted attack. The deranged left took to social media to celebrate the death of a health insurance CEO. The journalist leading the charge was none other than friend of the pod, Taylor Lorenz. We get into the dark timeline of what discourse like this could lead to. Hunter Biden was pardoned in a surprise move by Joe Biden. Who will be pardoned next? Pirate Idol is back! This time, the married couple battles it out! We discuss the gender affirmation bill in Tennessee and Elon Musk’s Tesla stock denied by the judge. Enjoy the show! And buy our new “Moon Should Be A State” merch. link below.. Buy the new merch! https://store.piratewires.com/drops/002?utm_campaign=Moon+Merch+Drop&utm_content=Longform+Newsletter+Design&utm_medium=email_action&utm_source=customer.io Featuring Mike Solana, Brandon Gorrell, Riley Nork, Matt Marlinski We have partnered with Polymarket! Download the Polymarket: Election Forecast app https://apps.apple.com/us/app/polymarket-election-forecast/id6648798962 - Disclaimer: Not Financial Advice, For Entertainment Purposes Only. Sign Up For The Pirate Wires Daily!  https://get.piratewires.com/pw/daily https://piratewires.co/free_newsletter Topics Discussed: https://www.piratewires.com/p/times-taylor-lorenz-has-lied-about-tech-and-people-in-tech?f=home Pirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWires Mike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolana Brandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrell Riley Twitter: https://x.com/rylzdigital Matt Twitter: https://x.com/mattmarlinski

It was like a movie, assassination. It was like, dude, the silence. Like John Wick. There's Facebook posts going around that were announcing the news. It was like the laugh cry emoji was the most popular choice for the emoji. And people wonder why we want these executives dead. We don't want to enter this dark timeline. That's a dark, that's a dark.

Yeah, it's really dark. To get off of it. No one is above the law. No one is above the law. Nobody is above the law. So Biden announced Sunday that he would be pardoning his son, Hunter Biden. Would you pardon your son? My son would never actually. Not my son. Not my house. what's up guys welcome back to the pod we're all in uh we're all in person today for the first time ever we're uh we're down in miami for our i guess is it a quarterly is it a is it a and it's what i don't know it's seasonal quarterly whenever i'm like you know what we gotta see each other so we

get everyone together and i was like fuck it let's do an in-person thing so here we are um we've got these great hats on thank you katie in the office for setting us up i think brand looks fantastic definitely looks the best great looking turkey um yeah that's great um cool so i guess i don't know i feel like we're just like getting into it. I don't want to get down to business. I'm trying to like, this is new for me. What do I do with my hands? Let's get into the show. I think there's no way.

We had a couple of huge topics. Obviously, Polymarket's coming up. We're going to talk in the Polymarket segment a bit about the pardons. Obviously, we have to talk about the pardon. It's going to be one of our big stories today. But just crazy news this week that I think we have to start with is the assassination of Brian Thompson, the CEO of insurance giant UnitedHealthcare, which was crazy, which we all watched happen on the internet. Hear about it first, but within a couple of hours, the footage started footage started going viral it was a straight up it was like a movie assassination

okay it was like dude with a silence stance like shot him he turned around multiple times sped off you had uh you had what's his riley i forget his last name dude heck uh who did the city bike tracking uh i forget it waltz first name was riley wasn't it yeah it was riley so we can pull up the tweet uh unclear if actually a city bike was now involved but it seems questionable so you've seen a lot of i mean immediately you have twitter people trying to crack this case riley did do a bang up jock there's someone out there with a city bike we found someone he found one person he found someone who was riding around so i was just going to work down there and then he got immediately dogpiled by the communists who came out obviously in favor of the assassination which

we'll talk about in a minute i want to pause on that conversation while we just talk about the actual what i saw um it was it was crazy to watch people reaching immediately for a take on this you could see it. I saw people say, oh, well, this is... I've been talking immediately. The news breaks and people are saying, this is about crime in New York City. And this is about... I forget what the other one. There was another really stupid one before we got to the sort of lethal gloating.

And I just thought, this is... People... This is so big. We just witnessed something. To actually watch it was i think you were left with this really um this feeling of of importance associated with this thing it was a really grisly killing and broad daylight of a major executive um who no one ever knew about until now so it wasn't even like oh he we knew he had it coming or something

and it's like this he's in this violent game of whatever. It's just a rant. It's like a random executive. And, um, it was for me to, that was enough. That was shocking. And I didn't actually, I felt the impulse to, I think, to have a take, but I just sat with it and, uh, and sort of walked away from it because I'm an adult. Many people did not do that and had to say a bunch of stuff that I think ultimately really didn't add it into the conversation the conversation what what i saw and what i felt before the end of the night and then it's changed this morning was just um so this is this is a real thing i think we talk about stuff that's bullshit so often it doesn't really matter so often that we try and associate that with important moments like this but this one really mattered this is

like the trump assassination for me. That one was even more of the attempt. That was, you know, more serious and more, I think, viscerally horrifying even. Even though he didn't die, there was something about just we did know that person. And think about what would have happened to the country at that point and whatever. But this was one of these rare moments where you're just you're taken out of the bullshit and uh and you remember that the country is maybe the world is just sort of still a pretty violent place and pretty crazy shit can go on what was your immediate first reaction to the uh to to the um to the hit for me obviously i could be the new york guy i mean immediately you

wanted to go to the new york is lawless like narrative and i was i think by the time luckily i saw it it seemed like it we knew was targeted already but like immediately the city's out of control it's lawless there's crime everywhere a ceo's getting shot and killed and so it is one of those times i remember like to just fucking shut the hell up for a second because people just get wrecked by saying a lot of things and sure you can certainly make a lot of things about crime i mean i think you really said it well in the daily it's like that shit just happened sometimes like sometimes something really can't like put and obviously we'll find more about like what the hell is all the back end of all this was like it doesn't maybe you thought at first it might be like an actual like

hit but or now that's what it looked like right of course look it didn't feel like a mafia hit it definitely was he looked like a professional to me like like almost like he was hired to do a hit like so like like that's why i was like is this some like old school mafia shit which my heretical thought of the day it was like that's kind of sick just like oh okay i really romanticize mafia shit too much that's me come from jersey but um like that's what you thought of us but then like i forget what we could bring up like what he wrote on the bullets so it seems like he might just be like one of the crazed guys who's just like trying to assassinate people similar to the one who went after the president but i mean it was like deny deny defend depose right so this was a this is actually

there's a book about insurance companies called delay deny defend yeah and the subtitle of the book is why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can do about it yeah it's got to be sorry matt it's got to be like this guy has had a really bad experience with united healthcare and he's crazy any any you know trained to do this it was understandable killed him i mean it's a but that's one of those things that it is like a random act and it doesn't matter how lawful your city is like anyone could kind of do that anytime yeah so i'll just walk up to you with a silencer just kind of shoot like the world is kind of like that that's why my big worry out of this is that like this is

going to lead to like copycat offenders because everything about the story from like the messages written on the bullet things from the glee that we're going to get into on the internet of like this guy is doing heroes work plus there was also a possible photo leaking of this guy where he's like kind of good looking too everything about it in my opinion is just like laying the framework for copycat offenders to just follow his lead and be like this is a thing we just do to ceos now i mean is it not in a sense itself a copycat offenders to just follow his lead and be like, this is a thing we just do to CEOs now. I mean, is it not in a sense itself a copycat? This is, we just saw one of the highest profiling, the profile attempted assassinations in the history of the country. We all watched it. That was, you know, I think we forget how important that is and how huge that is and how dramatically that can change the way a person thinks about anything and uh and it

i i do feel like they're linked i think that we were living in this very violent world actually and this very violent moment actually which was kind of i mean at some point you have to just believe people when they tell you that they believe um and what we saw has not just been a few crazies on the internet saying they're glad this person was killed because and i think the argument goes something like this um the health care industry is terrible and um therefore people who are working with the health care industry are bad and it's good when bad people die they die i think roughly is that is the thinking here on uh among you know i want to say it's just like a deranged segment of the online

left but it was like a huge huge huge population of people um we looked at so you see this facebook posts going around that were announcing the news it was like the laugh cry emoji was the most um popular choice for the emoji uh there are endless tweets that we can throw up here um that have you know tens of thousands of likes on them cumulatively probably one of the highest profile and this is this is a mix of of um i would say you're crazy online communists, like actual sort of hammer and sickle and bio-communists and, and just very hardcore left-wing writers who are defending it. And of course the highest profile one was, uh, none other than misinformation herself, Taylor Lorenz. So this is a tricky one because there are a Taylor post this. I really didn't want to actually, I didn't want to talk about Taylor. She is an artist. And I think a lot of what she does, it should be respected in that way. you put it in the moma and and you let it just fester and you put like a little you put a little

what is it like a velvet rope around it and you charge people to look at it that's how you treat art but this felt not like that this was um the man died she posted a picture of another CEO of another healthcare company. Blue Cross Blue Shield. It was Blue Cross Blue Shield. And in a separate post, all on Blue Sky. It's funny how she's... Another thing that's great about her is that she chooses the content that... She puts her content on the right platform.

And this content was only on Blue Sky, and this is where it belonged belonged so she has this woman's face it's like a it's basically a target this is while this guy was killed she now posts another person on top of a story uh that looked very bad for blue cross blue shield about anesthesia um revoking payments on anesthesia or something uh and uh it was very obvious to me that the implication there was go get her, but it was not a smoking gun until you looked at her feed and you saw her also saying a post before. And people wonder why we want these executives dead. So what follows is just cacophony of discourse around whether or not this is okay. And I would say it's discourse and not just, there wasn't just condemnation. There was condemnation among my friends. There was condemnation among my follower list. It was like,

oh, she's crazy. This is awful. I have questions about the information, which is giving her money. And we can talk about that in a second. But all over Blue Sky and all of her threads, people were like, based. She's correct. And she went on and on about this. Every time it came up, she hopped over to Twitter and she further, she was like, I didn't say that. And then she further justified it. It was very clear in the context of all of her posts that she really did think this person deserved to die, that other people like him deserve to die. And I would say just like, I would add on top of this, not just the healthcare piece, the way that she started the entire thing was, this is how I found the news out. And it was a picture of a meme she got in her group chat

that was this like smiling star that said CEO down. It didn't talk about healthcare. It said CEO down. And this is, again, like this is, this is not, she's not picking this out of nothing. This, this is the kind of conversation that's really popular online among what we would call like the dirt bag left. These are people who are actual open Marxists and talk about killing CEOs and business professionals all the time. And it's class warfare. And if you go after them for this and say, you know, this is horrible.

How could you say this? It's, well, you're a bootlicker or, well, I would be a bootlicker probably. And then someone who, you know, wasn't running a business themselves would be called a class trader. And they love it. It's like a little bit LARPy and deranged. It's like, do they really believe it? Do they not? And I wonder why people ask that question because this has happened for over a century now. They believe it. These people are real. They are called communists. This language

is the exact language they use. This is no longer like the Looney Tune social left. This is the economic populist left. They are the real deal. They go into a country, they proliferate, they take it over, and they do a lot of mass murder. And this is the language they use. And this is what this whole story is about, in my opinion. That's actually what's happening here. It's not about healthcare, it's about communism um and communism is proliferating on these left-wing channels and people like taylor who are desperate for uh some kind of cultural thing to plant her flag into has found the axe and sickle crowd which is the hammer and sickle crowd which is fucking wild is there not just like a beautiful irony of her saying like anyone who raw dogs the air is killing old people? Well, that tweet was that was phenomenal, though.

That was that was an excellent post. I can defend that all day. That was the Taylor Lorenz art. That was beautiful. But doing that and then also like posting like bounties basically for old people. Like, is there not just like a terrible irony in that? I don't know. Well, because because it was a health. people like is there not just like a terrible irony in that i don't know well because um because

it was a health yeah because she's like posting the the faces of healthcare ceos to like target next and like celebrating the real irony is right before she was she posted the woman's face who she wanted again and let's be very clear like the reason you post that woman's face is because you want her to be killed yes that's what taylor is doing she's posting this woman's face and she's saying implicitly this woman should be killed she has since i should add uh she added a post underneath that that says you should write her a polite you should write this woman tons of polite letters this is after it's like you can't write that after we just saw you say that the reason that you said the words the reason we want them dead like you said it you just fucking said it we

have the screenshots i saw it they're not even said it, you just fucking said it. We have the screenshots. I saw it. They're not even screenshots. It's still up at the time of our recording. It's still posted. She's not even deleting it. Like she just believes that it's weird that she didn't. I don't know why she lies about it after the fact,

but, but the crazy thing is right before she posted that woman's face, who she wanted again to die. She had a thing about these right-wing journalists who uh aren't taking seriously the treatment of women like herself on the internet these these dedicated harassment campaigns and of course she's talking about stuff like this us talking about the actual like murderous things that she's saying that's the harassment that she's just truly this is like this is the mind of a...

I mean, it's fascinating. It is fascinating. I remain fascinated by this woman. Captivated, I should say. Can you imagine a biopic of her called Misinformation? A Misinformation. You should create it. We should create it.

Like a 10-episode Netflix biopic series. Honestly, who wants it? It's kind of like a comedy. Execs, are you out there? Because if you're out there... We could write the script oh i'm a screenwriter i've written she's not part of the mainstream i don't have credits but i do have credits but you're a screenwriter i'm good yeah i'm a great fiction i was way better at fiction than i that than uh than this um yeah i'm i'm down to write misinformation it'd just be hard to like nail down the facts

though because we need to find things out like her actual age and things like that she admitted it yeah she said that's right but now she's now she's trolling the troll this is the the trouble that i have with this story is that like you know most of what she does she's blocked me and said horrible things about me and you know she's tried to i mean years ago she went after people who followed me and went in their in their dms to tell them that i was a bad person oh really misogynist and yeah this is crazy this is years ago wow um like she she really but then i mostly avoided i would say like we i never really got in her crosshairs after that until recently and that was like too funny because i have a way bigger platform on

x now and we have pirate wires and like i'm just not intimidated by people like that anymore um but it's still nonetheless funny to me for the most part like most of what she does and i even sometimes wonder you know like now she's trying to have fun with it she jokes about her own age she does have lore i think that's fascinating like that's fascinating. All that stuff is interesting to me. This one was not interesting. This one is like, this is a problem for me and not really just because she's a crazy person saying these things. I probably would have ignored this actually if it was just her. The problem is that the information just ran a piece of hers and gave her money. The information is like one of the top business journals in the entire country. This is where business reporting happens. We expect this institution to be giving

us unbiased information about the state of the technology industry. This woman, a technology journalist at one point in her career, she changes her title constantly. So who knows what she thinks she is today? I don't know. Ask her. I have no idea. I think she's a performance artist. But what does she call herself? I don't know. It's part of her art. I'll leave it to her. The problem that I have is that I now, like the information makes her like a legitimate voice again. And the fact that they would hire her, that to me calls into question everything that they do. That's like, how can I, as someone in the tech industry and someone running a company, I am the CEO of this company,

trust anything that you're writing about CEOs. You are paying the person who is laughing about CEOs being literally gunned down in the street. That's crazy. That is like a whole other fucking level. And it's not really about taylor it's about for me the interesting piece of this is the way that she's treated by institutions as legitimate um the way that she's protected by them the way that she's celebrated by them that is the tell into who they are into who the institutions are and that is my interest in this story i've been accused this morning of cancel culture for this, for talking about this by Alex something or other.

I forget his name. He was a journalist who used to matter many years ago, not as much anymore, but he still has, he's got a great handle. It's just at Alex. So respect to him for getting in early. But it's like 100,000 followers or something. But it's just like, oh, the return of cancel culture or whatever when I raised that

this is a problem. This is not the same thing as a journalist getting fired because he made an off-color joke that a woman happened to hear at a tech conference, okay? The question is like, why do our institutions literally want us to die? And I'm not even saying that this woman should be fired or not hired i'm just saying it matters like this is an important part of the way that we think about an institution like the information is that they're working with people like this right that's that is meaningful and we do need to talk about it we can certainly talk about that company but steel man a little bit i mean like she's been ousted at new york times washington post there's just not many outlets left for her yeah so she seems like she's on like kind of her last stand in any sort of like mainstream media sort of co-sign yeah she was this is why i said i wouldn't have talked about it until the

information thing like i don't think i would have made a big deal about it but that's that's a huge deal i mean that's i would say it is also funny though on that note yeah she's you know run out of the new york times run out of the washington post seems actually even more significant to me because what i've heard from the inside is uh one of the real issues with taylor at the washington post was the way that she would talk about subjects that had nothing to do with her core competency which what the fuck is that supposed to be don't know but it's what it certainly is not is uh israel uh and and Palestine. And so journalists- She's a social media girl. So that's what she's-

Journalists working on other subjects would become frustrated by her talking about their shit because it influenced their own work, obviously. If you have the- Every time Taylor says anything at the Washington Post, it would be framed as, Taylor Lorenz of the Washington Post says this, or just the Washington Post says this.

And then if you're like a journalist covering this stuff, that's crazy. You don't want that. But yeah, run out of the Washington Post. I think that that one feels more of like a forcing out to me. Leans into Substack, which is funny because she's gone after them for years. Now this is all that she has left. She has to sort of stand on her own feet, which I thought she'd be great at personally. I thought that she would have built up a bunch of subs there. She could crush on Substack, yeah.

But she didn't. She starts struggling. She starts kind of explaining that she's struggling in the message, her like sort of whiny messages on the Substack saying like, if you care about journalism, you have to pay for this quality, whatever, blah, blah, blah that I do.

You know, TikTok reporting. People are not paying her. She struggles for like a month and immediately becomes a full-fledged communist that's interesting that's that i think that needs to be a part of the story here it's like the last game in town in a sense like is it like she has communism is she yeah it's all she has left yeah so the tough time figure does she actually believe this or has the larp gone too far because i think this happens a lot of leftists like it happens on the right side too like the

like the larp just goes so far you're just stuck in like the fucking the the train like the water spear like oh no i think the the larp is extensive for sure and a lot of what she says i think is fake just like a lot of what these leftists in general says is fake but on the question of economics and economic populism and eating the rich and all of this this is a this is a space for losers this is a space for like deformed freaks of society who can't make money like they always find communism they have always found the personal people i know who's who support this the most are like the the deadbeats like the the ones who kind of like fell apart the ones who are like way too left and like they just like they're still living with like four roommates and at the age of 38 and and

like all the way up in bed style you're like okay man like good luck with that i think there's plenty of money around for for taylor i mean the ccdh her fans don't believe in capitalism who's gonna pay for her she's i think taylor's gonna be around forever i think she's gonna get really rich I think she could be a really great politician. Honestly, that might be the next game for her. She just needs to go full politician. She could do really well in the non-profit sector. That's true. I don't think she has the stomach for the non-profits.

I think if she works for the CCDA, she's perfect. Non-profits thrive on operating in the shadows and exerting lots of power while pretending they have none. Taylor is a champion of the arena. She wants glory. She wants to be in there. She wants to be crying and laughing and celebrated,

applause around her. That's not non-profits. That's what she's doing. Counterpoint. Trantifa. He is all over Twitter. He's really big. That's a lawyer for the ACLU.

We're going to talk about this a little bit later in the episode, the trans case before the Supreme Court. Yeah, maybe, but I think that that... Yeah, I don't know. I don't have an answer to that. I think this is not Lauren's last stand. She's not going to go out quietly.

What was that thing that Palmer said about her? She's like a jihadist journalist. She's dangerous because she's willing to suicide herself. What a great quote that was by Palmer. She just has no regard for

her own safety and she'll just say anything. It's not beyond the pale to have these questions about our institutions. it doesn't just end because she's now at a failing sub stack it's like if you're giving her money and jessica lesson just did right that's it's a huge deal to me as someone who is again a ceo and doesn't love the idea of the normalization of ceos being murdered in the discourse as like a funny thing. And it's like not a lot to ask of someone. Something about Taylor's career is so much her career

is like the social media trendy girl. So she keeps having to be like in the spheres of TikTokers and whoever like the famous person of the day is. So her opinions tend to reflect that. So I've talked to you about like something that annoys me with elder millennials, which she is one, which I am too. They keep trying to act like 20 year olds when they're like 40 year olds.

And so like when I see her write things like this, when I see other like lefties that I know on the personal side who like write messages like this, like, sir, ma'am, you're 39 years old. Stop posting like you're 19. Like you shouldn't be thinking like a leftist like that at your age you got to give it up for millennials though again myself included who look great i look fantastic like look like yeah they're acting young but they're looking young too yeah like those tweets are fresh but but that's where the larp goes out of control because you're

trying so hard to fit i mean i don't think she looks forward i think she looks great i think i look great i think you looks great. I think she looks phenomenal. I think I look great. I think you look great. We look great. Riley's actually young. Riley's actually not a millennial. He looks fucking better. But that's where the LARP goes because you have to constantly keep acting young so you're constantly going

to more extreme circles to sort of keep fitting in with these 19 year olds. Yeah, that's just the internet too. We're all in the stew together that's true what do you do how do you how do you grow in a digital space where you're kind of free of the physical body in the signs of age you don't have to you can you can larp and so you do that's true and then is the larp is it really even fake i mean what is really fake it's not just who she is and how her mind works or whatever how i am how like it's is it fake it's i don't know i don't know there's like this increasing separation between the physical and um the mental because of the internet and that's maybe what we're seeing here good point the first pieces of

that it's a good shape-shifting which again would be perfect for politics i i like that theory chameleon i think that wired would hire taylor i could definitely see her landing a spot at wired well it would make them much more relevant which is yeah that would be a get for wired taylor would well she's you guys look into it give give me another give me another reason to write about it because as it stands i don't know does she currently block you because we you had a recent yeah yeah she unlocked me to um yeah she attacked by her wires uh unprovoked and i was like let's go. Are you joking? People think, I don't... I was talking to someone yesterday

or this morning who was really anxious about being dogpiled by communists online. He had said something about the shooting and people were attacking him. How do you deal with all these death threats? I was like, I love this shit. Are you kidding me? You grow to love it. I love it. i love it yeah like

you that's what they don't understand it's like they and maybe i think most of them do because they don't come after me anymore right i i think it's like at a certain point they realized like they would they would quote tweet me or something and i i would clearly enjoy it and it just took the it took the yeah i don't know they want want to be hurt. They want to kick you down. It took it out for them. Yeah. So yeah, she went after Pirate Wires. We obviously, you know, struck back with a mighty blow.

And then there's a piece you can check out, actually. We can maybe like do a little screenshot of that piece right now, Matt. Updated today? Yeah, we updated it today. The history of Taylor Lorenz's lies. updated today yeah we updated it today the the history of taylor lorenza's lies and then um and then she commented on some of the stuff that we were saying she had to unblock me to do that though so she unblocked me and she commented or you know we went back and forth good comment though she was right what did she say this is fan behavior oh what did she say yeah yeah i am a fan

i'm very open about that your fans i'm a great fan work. Well, she always tries to drop the teal bomb. That's like the one that's supposed to get you. You're like, oh man, got me. Oh no, am I Peter Teal's protege? What will I ever do? That's so terrible. Don't tell people that. Yeah, well, she posts on Twitter and her Instagram stories.

I did find those as well. So she had a good 24 hours with you. Yeah, she went. Because when the eye of Sauron sees you, it's like she enters a fugue state. She does. So it was funny for her to say it was fan- I mean, she posted, I think, six or seven to one against me.

She goes and goes and goes and goes. I think she blacks out. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she probably blacks out. I think she also enjoys it. Listen, we have a lot in common. I would never celebrate the public execution of a CEO, but I don't know.

I see where she's, I think I, she's a muse of mine, let's say. But yeah, then she blocked me and that was the end of that. I will say it's separate from Taylor, but on the issue of the killing and the discourse, which you mentioned the normalization Riley a moment ago, which I think is very astute and very correct. And the danger that we're facing now i had a hand not one

but a handful of ceos uh in tech reach out to me about this issue and they were not scared but they wanted to talk about this they wanted to talk about um it was like world's getting more violent language is getting much more coarse you have platforms now that seem to be celebrating language like this and now you have a high profile uh public public execution of um of a ceo uh that is being defended on class grounds and people are worried about copycats people are worried about more of these and i don't really have anything great to say in response i think like for sure there will be more attempts it's a trend yeah yeah um same thing happened when that submarine um blew up oh yeah when they were they were looking at the titanic it was all these deranged seen discourse yeah it's anti-billionaire

discourse yeah i have a tweet it says um one of the dipshit billionaires on that stupid submarine is rich from running a private jet company he's literally cooking the planet alive and we are meant to feel bad his stupid head has been squashed by the righteous pressure of the ocean. Nah, man. R.I.P. Bozo. Not gone soon enough. Has 1,500 likes, 106,000 views. Yeah, the submersible one is... It's not as bad.

It's not as bad as celebrating an assassination, I think. It's so... It's like mixed for me. Maybe it is. I went back and forth on this. I don't know which one is worse they're obviously very similar and they're tapping into the same bloodlust that you see it's the same it's it's like an excused bloodlust that you see on the left it's like they're the right has crazies yes the left has crazies that work at like there's a

columbia professor that was saying something similar to this you have you know and a writer for the information or something saying something like this. Like, that's what the left has. It's like, that's what is the difference here is the institutional support for crazies like this. But I don't know which one is worse. I think that with the submersible, you had a bunch of people who were kind of, they seemed more clueless and innocent. And there was a kid on board. And so it was like very sad in this other way i forgot about the kid this was one like they had to really reach they were happy to reach but they had to reach for

the class argument here which one the assassination which is submersible submersible with the assassination thing it's like very clearly a class warfare issue and it was he was killed because of his job in health care which was seen as um exploitative of poor people yeah you see you see way more justification of the deranged tweets in the assassination than you do than you did the titanic like i've seen i didn't really see a lot of people following up the deranged titanic tweet being like oh no actually this this crazy deranged take is justified. But with the assassination one, you have like whole tomes being written

about how it's okay for us to celebrate the murder of this guy. It's insurance companies, man. Everyone kind of hates him if you like him. So not that I'm defending it, but it's just like something about insurance companies gets people all pissed off. Yeah, that's how they're justifying it. Yeah, I don't know anything about insurance everybody is just an expert right away though I think it's just also crazy though

for for a writer specifically I mean they're aren't if you had to pull Americans on how they feel about journalists would journalists pull higher than healthcare executives I don't know but they would and so I think it's a very dangerous game to play yeah of um you know who deserves to die and who doesn't yeah like i think it's just we don't want to enter this dark timeline that's a dark yeah we really have to get off of it because this kind of stuff builds and becomes runaway like you see the memetics of school shootings, for example, which happened so many years ago. I feel like Columbine is the one that really triggered it. Columbine happens and you have now decades of copycats. It does not go away. It keeps happening every time there's one,

obviously because there's so much emotion behind it and so many stories about it and your face is plastered all over the news and um it just that attracts more crazy people and it happens again and again and again and this was my fear with the donald trump attempt and and what i hoped was that um i hoped that by his by by him surviving and the uh the assassin being so just like quickly and mortifyingly killed like he looked really pathetic up there uh just shot and destroyed i hope that that the imagery of that would shatter the memetics of the assassination and we wouldn't see any more again of politicians because a country was fraught enough like the idea of entering a new loop like we had in the what

60s and 70s of like high profile political assassination like that just seems crazy it's it's true darkness you do not want to be there and i don't know if it did and this this is like this is very much in that like dark spiritual stew not to get more depressing but i i do i do think that the early 60s and 70s, like the crazy college white people who said that they were on the side of all the oppressed people all over the world, they did eventually, they were LARPing at first,

is my read of history, but they did end up making bombs and then blowing up buildings with people in them so it could get it could get worse an assassination attempt on the streets it reminds you and we remind us when like of course when like it happened with 9-11 happens you just realize like how easy it is to kind of do these things like wait it's not easy to get a fucking plane in the air and fucking like you know we live in i live in new york city it's like it's not that hard to like do something really bad shit pretty usually and it's like oh that's the silver lining about humanity too it is it is easy to do these things and it almost never happens because the

almost everybody finds them abhorrent right which is why we all lose our minds when we see people saying that it's not abhorrent it's what we wrote about uh or what i wrote about for pyrewire is your help um back during uh what is it, the terrorist attack in Israel, that triggered a peace of mind called moral inversion. And this is the idea that, you know, when truly horrific things are not only excused but celebrated, that's really disorienting for the average person who's not evil. And that is what we've been experiencing,

not just in that case, but for years. There were all sorts of, you can check out the case, I mean, the piece, we like broke every single one of the big popular ones over the last few years down. This is that now, you know, we're back inside of that. And that's what I experienced when I see this is like this really powerful revulsion to the inversion of morality and um and then i guess just an anxiety a low level anxiety that it's it's not the end of something but the beginning of a new kind of class warfare as someone sitting next to a billionaire i really uh hope not especially sharing an office with you yeah you guys are really hoping maybe let him leave first

and even yeah yeah you guys are all working with with what is it what would they call you they would call you like um well certainly class traders oh yeah i'm a big time trader i sold my soul but i mean there is like you know like my parents when i was in construction and teaching he would sort of go back and he did uh teaching then construction then teaching then construction depending on um there were a few periods of time in the 80s and 90s where it was a lot of money we made in doing drywall and then it dried up and so we went back into teaching um and my mom was a teacher and became a school administrator but like we had that much money when i was young um and uh more than my older siblings but still it wasn't like we were not, I am not like,

I am not of the elite class. Like I didn't even know that, I didn't know how rich people were even until I went to school. But it was the first place where I was like, whoa, like there are other levels of rich that I did not realize existed genuinely. And there are a lot of them, like a lot of people, way more people than i thought

i thought everyone kind of roughly lived the way that i did middle class life like public high school whatever then i went to san francisco and i met an entire other level of wealth after boss university from all these stanford kids who were going to ivy league schools who had like real wealth and power um and i'm not a part of that or i wasn't but i am now that's the american dream hey there we go we're all gonna get love that guys we're all gonna get there you don't gotta mow down people in the streets you just gotta fucking do a job well make some money wow what a concept god taylor just be more interesting and sell some stuff provide shareholder value you don't have to do communism. We were rooting for you.

I was really rooting for you. You're the chosen one. The problem is no one chose her though. That's the thing. That's what she's freaking out about. She was not chosen. She was not given those sub stack dollars and now she's supporting mass murder. Basically.

Inevitably. Just give her a week. Anything else on the assassination attempt? We're going to learn a lot more. Hopefully, I mean, we're going to probably learn a lot more over the next day. Like, I think that now we see his picture. I think it's only a matter of time, probably before the NYPD catches this guy. Yep. You were saying this.

Like, people think, say what you were saying about people think that NYPD. Well, the NYPD posted a picture right before we started recording, and who knows, it might change by the time this releases. People think the NYPD can't catch criminals or something. Was that Eric? No, it was Eric who said that. But that is the truth. People think, yeah, the NYPD sucks at this because New York City looks like sort of third

world dystopia. But when horrible things happen, they crack heads together. but when horrible things happen, they crack heads together. For example, when the Macy Thanksgiving Day Parade was interrupted briefly by those pro-Hamas people, they were like,

get the fuck out of here. Shut it down. It did not even remotely hit that broadcast feed. No, no one watching this show even knew. You would never know. No way. They were like, you're gonna interrupt

pikachu yeah pardon me no no you're not not today satan they cleaned them right up excuse me ronald mcdonald is up yeah i don't want to see this was it was ronald mcdonald right right in front of them and they were just like get the out of here get out every one of you they're probably i bet they're in jail right now. I hope so. You do not interrupt the Thanksgiving. Our sacred tradition. Which was the 100th. It was the 100 and, was it 100?

Or was it 98? I think it was the 98th one. So we're going to see the 100th. Such a cool tradition. I love it. Love the parade. Yeah. Love it.

It's sick. It's just balloons in the air and walk down the streets. Sick. Yeah. I'm surprised they still let us do it. It feels like one of these beautiful things that surely there's like an environmental reason or something that people can use to ruin this for us and they haven't done it yet and i'm thankful for that to be honest well probably thankful for the tourists because the locals probably don't like it but like the tourists keep that shit alive because like i'm coming to see the

fucking parade well locals are there too though that was uh i saw flavor flake there this year true yeah he was are you a local man you're like i've never actually been in the parade yeah but you live you live around there i live yeah you know i don't want to put my address up here but i do live in the relevant area but yes i do i do live pretty close to the parade all right we gotta move on to the pardon riley let's do it tell us about speaking of crimes the speaking of criminals tell us about the crack tell us about joe biden's crack accident cracks uh yeah so biden announced sunday that he would be pardoning his son hunter biden um the guy with a history of activity to graphic for this family-friendly podcast we will not get into it um despite previously saying he wouldn't do such a move and despite many people from his own party saying he wasn't going to he did uh pardon

hunter notably it's for not just the gun case that he was being investigated for, but for like everything up to, I think it was like January, 2014. And this of course really runs counter to Democrats saying constantly on the campaign trail that no one's above the law, which someone made a beautiful compilation of on X that we can play right now. No one is above the law. No one is above the law.

Nobody is above the law. No one is above the law. No one is above the law. Nobody is above the law. No one is above the law. No one is above the law. But however, as Solana noted in the Daily, why are we pearl clutching about pardons now? Like Ulysses S. Grant pardoned Confederate generals, FDR pardoned like the population of Cincinnati. Like the real issue in my eyes is like doing so now, despite saying like all those years that you weren't going to.

That's the real issue in my eyes. Yeah, I think the lie is hard to stomach. I think it's also hard for me, it's the span, right? So Biden pardons for 11, it's an 11 year period. Yeah. That's, that's, that raises an eyebrow for me. That's like, what, what do you mean an 11 year period? What specifically are you pardoning?

It's a, it's this idea, this concept of, of a, of a unconditional sort of like whatever pardon for crimes, not only that were committed or that we know about and that he was um that he was uh what is it called um that he was something of what is the word i'm looking for like accused like not just uh when you get it in when you're in court and they they're like you're going to prison but i want to tell you for how long in a minute convicted um so he's not only pardoned for crimes that he was convicted of, but for crimes that he committed that we don't even know of. That's really weird. And I would say, you know, we're in very bizarre ethical territory here. It's like anything, what if he committed treason like which is possible i mean we're talking about the connection between him and ukraine like i don't know what's going on there nobody does

and other than the bidens and there's a reason that they issued the pardon um i think that's yeah that's that's the weirdness of this it's not just that he pardoned his son after a conviction though even that would be probably unethical. I think the pardon should really be used. There's something, there's some utility to it, I think, where it's like the justice system isn't perfect. And it's kind of nice to have a human at the other end of it all who can act like a human

and just say, this was wrong. And the country thinks this is wrong. I think this is wrong. I'm going to fix this. And you saw that a little bit um with trump when he pardoned that woman for the drug charge um in his term and everyone sort of felt like yeah that was messed up and like thank you for doing that obama pardoned a lot of people uh i only looked into a couple of them or one of them really which one that came up it was another one that was like this, like a sort of unfair drug charge.

And I would be willing to believe that Obama probably had a bunch of these that were just, they were too much and not right and they served their time, whatever. There's something in it there. I don't know. Even the Confederate thing I can defend as well. You know, Ulysses S. Grant wins for the North

and then is trying to heal the country. And so he's just trying to, you know, get over this. And it's like, you need something, you need a person, a human to touch this as a human rather than as this, you know, unfeeling, unthinking machine that just exerts neutral justice, whatever. But this doesn't feel like that.

This feels like something really personal that is very dark and difficult to defend until we know the extent of the crimes he committed and yeah i don't know they should they should do the president should be able to do like the reverse pardon like oj like oj like no no actually he was definitely yeah you gotta go back i saw another one that was crazy someone's like you know what really if the president gave people blanket pardons who weren't accused of anything but got specific like i'm going to pardon joe scarborough i'm not going to put a name for this i'm going to pardon because i was like an actual shmoe who i personally hate for looking

at inappropriate pictures of minors and like i'm part he's pardoned for it he's pardoned for it and it just like what and it just puts him in the news for that just chaos and that's that's really funny you could also do do almost like a stand-up routine where you're partying them for just being idiots. You're like, I'm partying Mika, what's her name, for like, what did he say about her? Like that her nipples were bleeding or something? No, did he say that? Well, it's partying, so.

But it's partying. Yeah, yeah. I partied her for that. Didn't he say something about plastic surgery or face was bleeding? I missed that one. Bleeding from wherever something about plastic surgery or face was bleeding? I missed that one. Bleeding from wherever. Was that her?

Or was that all? It was some very graphic thing that he said. I think that was Megan. Didn't he say that about Megan? Something about bleeding with Megan, I think. Yeah. That was a long time ago. Yeah.

You're citing me. Trump could pardon Rosie O'Donnell for one of their fights. Yeah. He can pardon the entire insane radical left. It just turns into a roast. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

It's just like a funny 25-minute stand-up routine. What we should do is if we're going to pardon it all like this, you can't just pardon a little bit of crazy. You have to go all in

and pardon a lot. Like, just do... He should have... Biden should have pardoned Trump is what I think. He should have just straight up pardoned him. Like, and just think about the optics. First of all, there's nobody on the Democratic side who thinks, really earnestly believes

that Trump belongs in prison for the crimes that he committed. No one thinks that. It is pure politics. It's pure war. And this is your opportunity to get out kind of in an interesting way with with hunter it's like you say listen all the lawfare has gotten so out of control i am pardoning all of

these people i'm pardoning trump i'm pardoning uh the j6 people i'm pardoning bannon who i think is still in is bannon still in jail no he's out right okay so he's out but still i'm pardoning him he's no longer a felon um i'm pardoning my son who was a victim of lawfare on the other side and now it's time for us to come together and you know get over all of this shit um you know fuck you pelosi and then he bounces to the beach with an ice cream cone and he would be remembered well i think yeah because we do feel i think we all feel this real uncomfort, this discomfort with the state of the politicization of everything. I totally agree with that.

It would play really well into the Biden meme where he walks off with the Linkin Park music and the movie credits hit. I mean, perfect. He just pardons everyone, just like the music hits, he's out. Yeah. He promised to unify the country. Yes. And that would be unifying.

I totally agree with what you're saying. That would be sick. He should be pardoning his political enemies yeah that would be awesome and he should be pardoning people on the right he should be pardoning the j6 grannies and the feds that uh that set the whole thing up yeah he could literally reach his whole reputation in like yeah this would be like right now he's going off like terribly like his tail between his legs he did that The whole thing would change. There's something about him that I want him to

eke out a win before this all ends. And I feel like there's this thing going around about Biden that he's getting back at the Democratic Party. Yeah. I don't know if that's real.

I'm full on. The he doing to get well the idea is he did something to get back at him it was like one he endorsed kamala right away yeah which which obama didn't want that yeah obama did not want that obama wanted to have a process and pelosi wanted to have a process and biden said okay so you're forcing me out. Fine. Good luck, Kamala, who everyone hated. But people forget that Kamala had the worst approval. The reason that no one heard of her for years was because she was so bad that people, they hid her away. So Biden's like, yep, Kamala's up. It's the only right thing to do. There was a sense to it because of the money piece. She could campaign with the money that Biden had already raised. So there was something rational about it. But there was no process. And he did that on purpose. So they say maybe that was sabotage. And then certainly, I mean, his behavior throughout the election, he didn't

really campaign much at all for her. He was on the beach. Those pictures of him at the beach were brutal for the Democrats. And then also, it was famously Biden in a Trump hat laughing. Good. I love that picture. Not good. I love it. And, and then it was like that in the end that,

you know, Trump wins Biden has Trump over and he's having the time of his life at that press conference. Just like talking to his old pal, Donald, who he's having the time of his life at that press conference just like talking his old pal donald's yeah who he's said is the right like just months ago this is the rise of fascism and now they're like you know well he's donald's not chuckling donald's laughing from that roaring fire but biden seemed happy yeah um and i think that's where it comes from it's just we see these things and we make the story my favorite piece of evidence that why i believe that they voted for trump jill biden wore a full red dress to go

voting that day yeah don't act like they don't know what they're doing this is like the same they've been in politics their whole life remember when obama wore a tan suit and everyone had to melt down yeah they know what they're doing i was like that's a red ass dress she was wearing but they i believe it i'm falling the the ukraine um long-range missiles thing i think was was bad for trump and i suppose good for democrats by default well you're talking about when i know i think it's good for trump it's good for the world so you have you have biden allowing uh ukraine to use long-range missiles that would strike into Russian territory

that were given to them by the Americans. After saying that he wouldn't let them for the longest time in the world. And so this happens like a month ago or less. And Russia said that was a red line, right? Well, it is. I mean, it's pretty crazy to be like, here are these missiles. Go blow up fucking Moscow or something.

Like, yeah, I would be upset too if Russia did that. I'd be like, hey, that sounds like war to me. So he does that. And the whole world's like i mean the right wing is generally they're saying oh biden wants to create a world war because they this is what they believe we're talking about the talker carlson right but i thought you know this is and it was actually on our team also mentioned this it feels like a bargaining chip sort of actually this is sort of helpful for trump because you have this like crazy biden who's doing this crazy thing at the very end of his term when it can't possibly affect really much and then trump comes in and immediately has a negotiating he's a chip to negotiate with with with putin and i believe this like we won't we'll we'll take that

ability you can immediately take it off you guys give me this and i'm going to take this off now trump has a bargaining chip that he didn't have that this is like an extra one for him i think it's it kind of works in his face provided we do not all die before january 20th it works in trump's favor i so hope that's the case and not the start of world war i think that was our take on it was like i we hope that this is a bargaining chip and not the start of world war three yeah nobody wants a war yeah come on guys bitcoin is ripping you do not that video of um russia's own long-range missiles coming down like vertically it's horrifying you guys have to see this video maybe you can find it i'll find it i've never it looks like science

fiction you dystopia it's scary not ideal to watch because these things are coming in from from like outer space basically and they're going mach 7 and so all you see is it's just like in a millisecond this like missile coming down and the whole sky lights up it's crazy Yep. Crazy. Yeah. War. This is war. We got to talk about the Polymarket. So super related to this, totally. It's the, I'm a question of pardons, which I think is an interesting one. Thank you, Polymarket for supporting PirateWire. This is a paid partnership and we could not do the incredible reporting that we do without your support. So on December 1st, 2024, President Joe Biden issued a full and unconditional pardon to his son, Hunter Biden, covering all federal offenses committed between January 1st, 2014 and December 1st, 2024. This pardon includes Hunter Biden's convictions on federal gun and tax evasion charges. In his statement, President Biden expressed that he had refrained from interfering with the Justice Department's decision, but felt compelled to act, stating, I kept my word even as I have watched my son being selectively and

unfairly prosecuted. So the question, who will be pardoned next? And you know a bunch of them are coming. So Politico reported that the White House may pardon Dr. Anthony Fauci to protect him from future federal investigation and prosecution. So that's up there on Polymarket, but there are a bunch. So we have, at the time of our recording right now, folks think Anthony Fauci has a 31% chance of being pardoned. So relatively low, lower than I would place it. Julian Assange at 6%. That's not happening under Biden, but maybe under Trump. I could see Pamela Anderson going to the White House and petitioning on behalf of her boy, Julian.

Liz Cheney has a 25% chance of being preemptively pardoned. For what crime, I'm not entirely sure. Unless I'm not deep enough, maybe there is some right- A blanket Cheney family pardon? No. But now on Trump, on Pauly,

we've got Ross Ul olbreich at 65 we have donald trump self-pardoned at only a 13 chance which confuses what do they know that i don't know i thought that was like 99 i thought we were going to be writing a pirate wires piece about the first ever self-pardon um edward snowden at 19 chance i don't see that one happening and eric adams at a 16 chance i will say that i see I don't see that one happening. And Eric Adams at a 16% chance. I will say that I see a higher chance of that one happening. What do you guys make of these pardons? Let's start with the Biden ones.

What are you thinking? Fauci, I mean, Fauci is the one to talk about. What do you guys think about the potential Fauci pardon? First of all, do you think it's going to happen? And second of all, do you think it should happen? Isn't it like an admission of guilt to to preemptively well the steel man would be that they it's actually just a tell into what they think the trump administration is going to do they think the trump administration the republicans under trump are going to go after

fauci regardless of whether or not fauci committed any crimes yeah like for example being responsible for a uh once in a generation pandemic that killed millions of people and shut our entire world down for literally years. Yeah, but it's also a tell that they don't believe in the power of our justice system and our institutions to survive another Trump presidency, which it did four years ago. I mean, this is the question, right? I never understand why they're talking about this stuff. It's like, all the Nazi stuff, and now it's like we yeah we experienced trump we it was fine actually like it was whatever he didn't like him you either liked him or didn't but whatever but like we literally are here we

survived democracy happened there have been elections since like i don't understand the argument how does the pardon work like if it's a preemptive pardon. It's a wizard wages bond. It actually is. You no longer are a criminal. Would a pardon make a trial or a lawsuit against Fauci more or less likely? I guess less? Less.

It's a preemptive. It's like one of these, well, I don't even know if this is, like the blanket pardon preemptively, I believe the Hunter one was historic in this way. So I don't, does that hold up in court? I don't know. Not sure.

I mean, what a crazy vibe of Taoshi being the so-called hero in the early pandemic. Now a pardon? The fact that it's even coming up in conversation? Well, he did. That's crazy. I mean, I think where they would probably try and get him is perjury because of the gain of function stuff.

Right. And that's just one of those things in law, I feel like, that you go after someone for because you can't get them for the real reason you're mad, which is gain of function research, which I think I could even steal man gain of function research. Like, I mean, this is like, there is a bio argument in favor of doing this kind of research. You're trying to get ahead of pandemics

and create cures from there or whatever. But of course, when you work with China, you have to assume that everything that you're doing is going to be used for military purposes. So that's really, there's no justification for that. It might not be the worst idea for them to do because I mean, especially if you see, who's that new FBI director

that like Trump just nominated? Cash, Cash Patel. Yeah, he wants to go after people. So I mean, I don't know if he wants to go after Fauci. Who's that new FBI director that Trump just nominated? Cash. Cash Patel. He wants to go after people. So I don't know if he wants to go after Fauci. I'm speaking on my own. Well, someone has to go down. $200 billion of fraud.

I mean, the report that came out this week is crazy about COVID. It's what came out in that report, the House report on COVID. That's like, where did that... I don't want even the fraudsters to go down. It's like, oh yeah, some random guy creating some fake business and getting a PPE loan in some slum. I don't want even the fraudsters to go down. It's like, oh yeah, some random guy creating some fake business and getting a PPE loan in some slum. I don't care about that. I care about the government officials

responsible for that entire system. How do you just preside over $200 billion of fraud and then keep working in your job? Not only are you not being put in jail, but you're still getting a paycheck from us. That's and it's like everything there's never been we've not had a reckoning for everything we went through under covid and i would like to see something and i think it's i would see the democrat i can understand the democrats actually allowing fauci to become a kind of scapegoat so they get out of it themselves but then maybe no one becomes

everything in that code report was like all the things we got banned on for social media that was all the things they told you that you're you're you're crank if you think that way like everything in that report was exactly what the internet was saying in 2020 2020 house report talked about efficacy of the vaccines it talked about insane it talked about the out the uh the masking efficacy it talked about the harm of shutdowns for children it talked about 200 billion dollars of fraud it talked about the fact of shutdowns for children it talked about 200 billion dollars of fraud it talked about the fact that the virus almost certainly came from a lab in china like that we fucking funded this is the stuff this is this everything this is why we have the state the information let's call it an information disaster that we have right now in this country is because

the truth was guarded from us rapidly for years when we needed it the most that's why you started this yeah it's like imagine if riley lost pirate wires 200 billion dollars would we would we fire him i would hope so if not i would i would i probably think I would have to sit with it. The shock of $200 billion flowing through pirate wires would be so enormous to me. But then he lost it for us. I know, but I would just want to, I would need time in the fortress

of solitude to just consider what had happened. Yeah, there should be triggers in the government for getting it automatically fired. Right. Well, what do you lose? $200 billion. Like, okay. Well, so do you guys, but do you guys think this will happen or 31 is low these are low these are all lower than i thought like biden is getting he's only pardoned uh you can maybe matt pull this up we have um i tweeted a list uh it was on wikipedia of just like all of the

pardons by president but it's still pretty low he's like at the time of the tweet it was like in his 20s and and so that's in his 20s. He's only just getting started. He's a month ago. I think the pardons are coming. Why not? He just created the innovation of the blanket, unconditional pardon of things that have not even been discovered yet. So why not a Fauci pardon? I'm just trying to imagine the outrage on the right if that happens. Like, they already hate this guy so much. If that happens and they're just like, you're above the law, Fauci, like, I think we're close to, like, riots. That's insane.

Like, they hate Fauci so much. Yeah, I didn't see a big chance of it happening, but it could be one of those things where the gang getting leaked to the media and, like, the story's getting spun up, and then maybe it gets more attention than, like he's eventually does part in because like well i gotta do it now because there's so much attention on it because like this kind of came out of nowhere for me i was like wait what fauci and pardon dude the biden one the hunter one came out of nowhere i didn't i i didn't but you know who did not come out of nowhere for the view i went and checked out

i always give them a little view a little a little bit of my attention um they had a whole show defending the concept of a pardon before it even happened days before it happened i believe that someone in the white house is in contact with them to help them get messages out probably and i really believe this and no one covered that it's a fairly big deal to me that they were talking about this days in advance, and then obviously lockstep defending it as it happened, other than the Republican clown they have on there to pretend that they're not a left-wing show. They saw it coming, and I think that maybe that's where we should look for the next preemptive pardons.

It would be interesting to see what the View ladies... We ought to watch The View now every day. The second The View ladies bring up a topic about anthony fauci you better start you better i can't tell you to bet because if you're an american you can't bet on on the platform but you can rest assured that uh that fauci's getting out the view to white house pipeline is real i like it yeah so any thoughts on maybe the uh on these or maybe the trump one my only thought was like the r Ross one for Trump. Actually, it should be higher than 65% because that has to happen.

He ran on that. He promised all the Bitcoin and all the crypto people that he was going to do that. Yeah. He hasn't mentioned it. He also just took a victory lap with the crypto people already with Bitcoin. He said, I'm the reason. You're welcome. Maybe he thinks that my debt is paid to the to the crypto bank I

know I know that there's a big contingent of like the libertarian types or like the people they care a lot about they really want Ross to um to be to be pardoned so like he has kind of has to do that we'll not have to do anything but like you should didn't Ross like commit like crimes though you know what this would require a whole other show. Sorry, I'm getting off the polymarket top. It's all the Silk Road stuff. But we should, we'll do it.

We'll do a Ross show when the pardon inevitably comes back up and we can discuss it. It's a complicated story. You know who should really get on the show for that is Cyan Bannister

who has followed it really closely and is a free Ross guy. What about a self-pardon? Last thoughts. This is the last part of the segment before we move on to idle yeah sure let's do it but what but will it happen i don't even know that you can do it i don't know you can do it either it's never been tested a lot of the cases have already like been dropped on their own right so maybe that's the reason why he wouldn't but like were they pop they were paused i thought like the jack smith

has stepped down i think it's like the georgia one is still going on but yeah he doesn't really need to do anything for four years if he's in office like maybe you can do at the end but it already depends on chances he's convicted in new york they're waiting for a sentencing and the sentencing i thought was paused until after right his his term so oh then yes do it yeah if he can't yeah if that's if that's something that can be done if you're probably gonna win he doesn't need to do the self-pardon yeah that's how i'd play it well here's the other question if you can also he's gonna be old he's gonna like it well that's not gonna stop them if you can do us if you can do a pardon preemptively for an enormous period of time, and we're now entering this world of lawfare,

where both sides seem very keen on destroying the lives of not only the people they're running against, but their family members, then do we not just see a tradition now of as people exit the White House, they blanket pardon everybody they know and everyone in their family for everything they've ever done? And then also, I would say, can you even be mad about that, whether a Republican or a Democrat does it? And I think the answer is no, because there's no way to function as a democracy now without that. If we're in the business now of jailing people after they lose elections, then we cannot persist. We will never attract competent people back to politics again as long as that environment persists.

So I'm kind of in favor of the blanket pardon at that point. Well, I guess I'll tell it to all you guys. Would you pardon your son? I would probably not pardon Hunter Biden, but I think the problem here is that there was probably some connection between Hunter and Joe. No, I would probably not pardon my crack-headed son, but I wouldn't have gotten him a job in Ukraine either,

and I wouldn't have been a dirty, corrupt politician either. So who can get in the mind of someone like that? Parental energy is strong, though. Parental energy is very primal. I don't think that this is as complicated as people are pretending it is actually like the thing that the real reason it's complicated is it's it's because biden was complicit in it right in my opinion you know legal note that's a conspiracy theory allegedly for entertainment purposes only but that is we're just having fun here guys

it's christmas that is what people were saying though about the timing of the hunter pardon Legitly. For entertainment purposes only. We're just having fun here, guys. It's Christmas. That is what people were saying, though, about the timing of the Hunter pardon. It's like right when the Ukraine Burisma stuff started to pop off. He probably did come out before 2014, though. Brandon, would you pardon your son? Yeah.

Let's go. Of course I would. I would, too. So you guys, so we had a bunch of Bidens in the house today. Riley? Yeah. I mean, to your point, if my son was doing what hunter was doing probably no but just as a general

rule listen you'd you'd you'd pardon my son would never act like hunter not my son never not my house didn't um is there's another by the the another biden, right? Yeah, that was the good one. That's the lore of Biden, famously. He had this really great son and then the crackhead son. I think it was unexpected. I don't remember how he died. But he was the chosen one.

He was a star. Went after, had sex with the good son's wife. Like, there's a lot there. That's a wild family. But we're closing that chapter, guys. It's over. The's a lot there that's a wild family but we're closing that chapter guys it's over the pardons are coming in i'm sure we're having more uh we gotta move on to the idol segment let's go Okay, it is time. It is time. It is time for the moment you've been waiting for.

Not only have the semifinals, we're in the semifinals, correct? Not only the semifinals of the greatest show on the internet concluding, or not concluding, continuing right now, it is the Battle of the Spouses. Matt, give us some like crazy music or something on top of the pirated music to tee up the Battle of the Century. And here they are.

We have in the audience with us, Chris and Olivia. Where are you guys coming in from right now? Are you in different rooms or like, what is it? What is the vibe? Tell me everything that you're thinking, feeling, you know,

I'm at my co-working space that I'm at, that I typically work from. Olivia is downstairs at home. Wow. Speaking. The tension is high. Yeah. Awesome. Well, you know, it's been a real joy. Um, we are stoked to carry on, I would say,

and I'm just going to get right into it. Olivia, you're up first. And the topic that I would like you to tee up for us as we carry on the show today is this, uh, transgender bill or not bill. I'm sorry. The court case. The Supreme Court is hearing right now. Why don't you break down the story for us and then we'll all get into the topic. To take one out of Riley's book? Yeah, sure thing. So the Supreme Court appears likely to uphold the Tennessee ban on gender affirming care for kids. The case brought by families and a doctor opposing the ban argues the law constitutes sex kids. The case, brought by families and a doctor opposing the ban, argues the law constitutes sex discrimination. The court's conservative majority seems poised

to side with Tennessee. Conservative justices like Roberts, Coney Barrett, and Kavanaugh raise concerns over unsettled science, as well as the state authority to regulate medical practices. Many of you also probably saw the viral tweet by the first openly transgender lawyer to speak before the Supreme Court, saying that two year olds getting gender surgery is something that they would that he would support, he would support. So that's basically the case. And there's a couple of different angles angles we could take here yeah i saw uh kentonji brown jackson i always forget the arrangement of her names which one is it which

one i don't know but the one the new one the biden one the one that biden said uh i think it was the most recent supreme court um justice she compared this to another one that went viral was she was comparing it to interracial marriage, which I thought was like wild, like really, really crazy. Um, but I mean, is anyone like, I mean, what are you guys thinking is, is that, I mean, who wants to defend it? Probably someone should steel man it. Brandon, me. Yeah. I think that, that people like brown jackson or whatever her name is see it as a human's rights issue and not anything else and so if you're treating um transing nine-year-olds as some sort of fundamental human right i i can see how you would elevate that to the level of um inter interracial marriage which i think is a perfectly reasonable stance to have that being you know an okay thing to do that's my steel man i think what's going on here too which is

interesting is like one side of it is is this actually sex-based discrimination by our constitutional standards um and i'm gonna i'm gonna argue no it's actually an age-based discrimination um but it's really difficult to offer an age-based discrimination to the supreme court because their society is full of age-based discriminations minors cannot drive they cannot smoke cigarettes they cannot drink alcohol they cannot serve in the military they can't even get a job um they can't get one. They can't get what? Can't get tattoos. True. Yeah, exactly. And so this is actually an age-based discrimination.

The sex-based one, one of the arguments that was presented in this trial is like, okay, if a young boy wants to get testosterone treatment to speed up his, you know, let's say he has a hormone deficiency, he can. But if a young woman wants that, then she cannot. And that's why this is a sex-based discrimination. I think that's a pretty big stretch. And I think because they presented it as sex-based discrimination, it's pretty clear that the ban will go through. Well, I think it's a clever... It wasn't like the case would have happened with or without this framing. The actual Tennessee, because there are a bunch of these bills, I think, in the country, but the Tennessee ban specifically allowed for, let's say, a young boy has delayed puberty or something and needs testosterone to jumpstart that, which is, I don't know how common it is, but that is a treatment that exists. I don't think it's that controversial. And the state got ahead of

that and wanted to preserve it so they said you know they specifically carved it out and they said there were a handful of things they carved out like this um and they said well this is okay but uh any sort of sex hormones that um are contra someone's biological sex like treatments for that will be will be banned and so then it actually is, there's an age thing here, but, but I think it actually is a sex-based discrimination thing. They're saying like, why can boys have testosterone, but not girls? Um, which maybe sounds crazy if to us, but like legally speaking, I don't know that they don't have a leg to stand on. I mean, they're, they're using preexisting law that maybe that preexisting law is the problem. Like, like maybe, maybe this is just a problem of our sex discrimination laws or something. I'm pretty sure this is also, by the way, how gay marriage made it through the court was something specifically like this, where they said, God, it was so long ago. How can I, I'm going to try and do my best to remember how they justified it. But it was something along the lines of like um by

no i can't remember it but it was a sex-based discrimination thing they made some sort of tenuous argument within the confines of of of that and so probably it'll pass but not because it i don't think because the argument's fallacious i think just because there are more people on the court who are like this is this like we want it's like the state's right to do this and we're going to find some way to justify it no matter what, which just seems how they're all coming at this issue. When I was listening to the justices, they all very clearly had made up their mind

before they even saw this. And then it's just like this weird game in American law where you just have to find some arcane thing that existed a century ago to, like, cast your spell and sort of move on. So have you guys all heard of the drug teletamide? Most people know it from the Billy Joel song. But teletamide was a drug that was prescribed to pregnant women to treat morning sickness. And the result was thousands of babies were born without arms and legs, or very deformed

arms and legs. And this drug was legal in Europe and Africa and some parts of South America as well and widely used. But there was one woman who worked for the FDA in America, and she had real big concerns about the use of this drug. And so she continued to like push it back and not allow approval in the United States. And the result of that is thousands of infants were spared from serious deformities. So a huge concern I have about puberty blockers and hormone therapy for minors is the shaky science. Like there are no long-term studies on any of this stuff and the effects it has for kids. Like just from a hormonal perspective, like anyone who is or has lived with a woman knows that based on the time of the month, she's going to be more susceptible to certain

things, you know, and it's because that's just a hormonal reality of humans. And so for children whose hormones are not even fully developed, we don't know the long-term consequences and there are serious concerns about bone density and fertility, which would be irreversible. And so I did some first principles here. I looked up how are children diagnosed with gender dysphoria. And it's all behavioral and mental questionnaires, not a single medical review of like what's going on in their body. You know, if these kids were diagnosed with serious hormone deficiencies, and then they could kind of supplement to help them with whatever mental health issues were resulting. That's one thing, but these are purely like emotional qualitative

evaluations right it's so the opposite of everything that was prescribed uh socially for young gay kids when we were sort of coming to terms as a culture with like how we treated gay people it was um well you know just leave them alone you know they're fine like like they don't we don't have to do anything to them they can can live their life. We can live our life. Treat little gay kids with respect, whatever, and not kids. I mean, teenagers when they're coming out or whatever, whatever, no bullying. But it was super, super duper, this is who they are and just don't touch them. And the trans argument, which is lumped into that, is precisely the opposite. This is a mental state that they have that needs to be, quote and to do that you have

to dramatically alter them chemically hormonally permanently and uh and then often surgically and that you know and which is what uh they're calling her trantifa i believe the lawyer on the case. Chase Strangey. Yeah. It's a he. Sorry, he. And that is what that lawyer, that is the argument they were trying to make. I think, you know, maybe, maybe you can make some argument like that,

but it's just so completely new that you have to give it to, I think you have to give it to the states. This is a really, really new issue and people are going to have to decide this on their own. You can't have some top-down enforcement of allowing something that is medical. And we don't, like you said, know the consequences of. I think you have to just exercise openness on these issues that are so new. It's just kind of my normie, I think normie opinion about it. So you actually don't have to leave this up to the states if you didn't want to. The inspector general holds the right to exclude nurses and doctors from participating in federal

health care programs. And so that means that they can revoke those individuals' rights to using any medical insurance in public health. So the inspector general is appointed by the president. So we could we could do we could say I call on President Trump to permanently remove all medical professionals who have violated their Hippocratic oath by participating in enabling or profiting off of the mutilation of children as young as two. Right. I wasn't saying legally. I was saying my like sort of opinion on it, which is that we should leave it to the States just because it seems like people really, I mean, I don't, I don't think I,

maybe you guys understand it more than I do, but I don't, it's, it's an issue that I feel like, I guess I just, maybe there's something in me that doesn't like telling parents what they can and can't do with their kids first of all like that's maybe the other like confusing part of this is you have parents who brought the case to tennis against tennessee and they're saying like this is what we want for our kid and we just have i i will say you know i find it abhorrent personally but i guess guess a comparison is, why can't I take my son to his pediatrician and be like, listen, I want morphine for him for teething?

Right. Good point. That's not an argument, and it's partly because we understand that morphine for babies is bad. Or it's like, you can't go and be like, I don't think my son should have a hand and so we need to cut it off. That's exactly right. Yeah. It's permanent genital mutilation that results in them being unable to bear children. It's so many gray areas, right? Cause like one of the problems with this situation is

because parents seem to be almost forcing some kids into it from like the sort of social side of it, especially in more liberal cities where it's like, oh, I want my kid to be almost forcing some kids into it from like the sort of social side of it especially more liberal cities where it's like oh i want my kid to be more gay or trans so and then like the other gray areas like you'll see people who make the example of like well i knew since i was two i was trans like maybe they were and then like everyone else no has no idea and so like you're just and there's this endless loop of like who actually knows and who's just crazy and who's just part of like the the culture at the time of what's in vogue and they can do whatever they want when they turn 18 which is i think well yeah so we're now beyond this is like the court case is not this the court case is not the supreme court is not deciding whether or not this stuff will be banned the supreme court is deciding

whether or not um states have the right to ban it like we're not even at the like let's ban it all across the country phase it's it's the question of whether or not the states have the right to ban it like we're not even at the like let's ban it all across the country phase it's it's the question of whether or not the states have this right and i think they certainly do have the right and you saw that like in the cases even another one thing that really bothered me was the the distortion of the uh the concept of like settled science here and um that's what trantifa was doing he was he was going like he was saying like oh we know that this is helping these kids with their sense of dysphoria and suicidal ideation and things like this. And one of the Supreme Court justices, it might have been Kagan, who is of all of the crazy justices, usually my favorite, but was very bad on this, who brought up this, this idea that like, they're always better off and they say they're better off

and it's reporting that they're better off, but that's not, then the other justice were bringing like, no, actually like all of the recent science that we have about this is indicating the opposite. All of the studies are indicating the opposite. All of the European studies

are indicating the opposite. All of the European legislation is leaning towards the opposite because of the studies. Like the people who are not following the studies right now, they're, it's Trantifa and his friends. Like those are the people who are not following the studies right now, it's Trantifa and his friends. Like those are the people who are not following the studies

because for them in adulthood, they really are happy with their hormone treatments and things like this. And that's fine. But, you know, whatever, live your life, keep it away from the kids. And again, like at the very least, like the states have a right to ban it for children.

How many times have you heard that before? You're settled science. You We heard that with other topics. It turns out, it never settles. You can always just run another study. That's the point. What does the puberty blocker do? What does a person that did puberty blockers look like at 25?

I was under the assumption. I know, but is that actually what happens? Your voice never changes? You're 40 years old and you sound like a... Yeah, because this is why... Go ahead, Chris. Well, I was just going to say, when you talk to doctors actually about this for years,

what they were telling parents was that it was a temporary on-off switch and that if you used puberty blockers, then it was not permanent and it was fully reversible. And that was absolutely not true. It is, it is a, it is a permanent, it causes permanent damage that they, those children, they never go through those later developmental stages. So they, they don't develop physically the way that people do when they go through puberty ever, and they lose the ability to have

children. Well, yeah, on the small penis thing that's what you said like a tiny little well that is true and it becomes a problem for uh trans women later on in life who want to get that surgery this is this is a lot of information i don't know if you guys want all this information i don't know if it's ready for this is a pod ready for this much information. This is why you're in YouTube jail, Mike. I don't know, but I have read that vaginoplasty, is what they call it, becomes very difficult. What? Are you telling me not to say it? Should we not

talk about this? These are the facts, man. You want the facts? You're going to get the facts on PirateWire's. Vaginoplasty becomes almost, it becomes close to impossible if you've been on these drugs and you have a micro penis which is what happens for young men who are given these drugs because they use that tissue to create the i think they call it a neo i think they call it a

neo vagina hilarious and uh and so then they have to do all these other fucked up things and it's yeah it's like a total it's a total sort of scary, monstrous. Obviously you can't reproduce. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. You get sterilized. Well, listen, let's move on. Um, I would love to talk about our next talk. Speaking of trans. Yeah. I'm transitioning right now to, uh, we are transitioning to the Tesla judge. So, uh, I'm going to let Chris just knock this one out of the park for us. Go ahead. I'm going to try to get through a lot of backstory very quickly. A Delaware judge ruled on Monday that Tesla CEO Elon Musk still is not entitled to receive his $56 billion compensation package, despite shareholders of Tesla voting in June to reinstate it. So this is the ruling by the judge, Chancellor Kathleen

McCormick of the Court of the Chancery, following her January decision that called the pay package excessive and rescinded it. That surprised basically everybody because judges don't traditionally do this. And people are saying this casts uncertainty on whether Musk will stay with the car, stay with Tesla. So at the time, a little history, at the time the deal was signed in 2018, Tesla had a market cap of $50 billion. For Musk to get paid, Tesla's market cap had to double to $100 billion. And then Musk was paid more for each additional $50 billion. He increased Tesla's value all the way up to $650 billion. At the time that Musk signed the agreement, it was super unclear that this was even possible. Talking head Jim Cramer said,

quote, if Elon makes that much money for people, I would double what he gets. I wish everyone would take that. Co-anchor of CNBC's Squawk Box, Andrew Sorkin said, it's truly eat what you kill, skin in the game, dare I say crazy, perhaps the most radical compensation plan in history, impossible to gain. If he gets to say $99 billion, he gets nothing. Not only did Tesla get to $650 billion, it only took three years. Then Musk was sued to claw back that payout. The lawyers filed a lawsuit on behalf of a single Tesla shareholder who only owns nine shares worth less than $3,200 and actually money off those Tesla shares. zero dollars but awarded the attorneys that sued musk 345 million dollars a rate of 18 000 per hour in tesla shares that's the most ironic part is the tesla shares i know what that's crazy yeah he doesn't want to he wants that money in tesla yeah like um you don't want that tesla

stop but i do listen it's just it's. I don't know how to justify this. And you saw across social media, all of the investors, there's a pretty unanimous agreement on this among CEOs and investors and shareholders, like major shareholders and major companies who were just like, who fucking asked you, Kathleen?

Who asked you? Why are you talking right now we are this is an agreement between us your job as a judge is to make sure that agreement is um but like we follow through on our agreement not to not to change our agreement or alter our agreement in some way uh I think it's it's pretty bad for the state of Delaware this is a this is a a state that I discovered this week while sort of playing around with or researching the news. I didn't realize this. There are more companies incorporated in Delaware than there are people who live in the state. And that is because obviously Delaware,

the entire corporate law structure of that state exists to encourage this, to encourage incorporation in the state. It's like, this is what they do. It encourage incorporation in the state it's like this is what they do it's their business um i think it's just i mean there are a lot of elements of this but but one of the strangest to me is just that this is so sort of contra the best interest of the state of delaware like separate from what's happening to to elon it's weird to me that they would do this i just don't i don't understand or tolerate this. I just don't, yeah, I don't get it. How is there any legal precedence for that? The shareholders made a decision and the court overturns it. How is that even remotely allowed? Well, I don't know if there might be

legal precedent. Is there, does anyone know if there's legal precedent? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a corporate law person. I don't think that that shareholder vote was legally binding in a way that that judge would have to then overturn her decision. I think was just they were using they were going to use that as a piece of evidence in this will people kind of thing yeah the original compensation plan was legally binding like in a case that in a way that you can bring in as evidence the other interesting thing is that this is the judge that forced you on to buy Twitter but it seems crazy to me that... Bet she regrets that.

Yeah, she totally did it to screw with him. And it's like, now he runs the country. He's really second in command right now. There's got to be some legal statute that prevents a judge from being biased clearly like this? I mean, how do you prevent bias though? Yeah, it seems like a pattern. So what's interesting is I looked into how these judges actually get elected. And in America, a lot of judges in a lot of states are actually voted on, but that's not the case in Delaware. And there's about, it's about 50-50.

So in Delaware, they're actually elected by the governor. So in this case, that's john Carney. And he had lawyers privately submit who should be elected to this position, and then he makes the decision. And so it's really shady. This is historically how it's always been done. So it's arguably a case of lawfare and another example of an unelected bureaucrat. She wasn't elected. That's doing a lot of damage to America. What's hilarious too is her salary is presumably taxpayer funded, which a fifth of Delaware's taxes come from these corporations that they're waging war on. So it's like, reap what you sow.

Do you really want your salary to just be going away like that? I think this feels like reflexively Trump deranged to me. This is a variation of Trump deranged. It's a new variation. It's like the Delta variant, which is

Elon derangement. And that is what she is suffering from. This explains the Twitter thing. This explains the double down on this decision with the shareholders. And she just doesn't care. And I don't think there is a reason. I don't see any consequences for her. I don't know if anyone in Pirate Wars knows about local Delaware politics,

but what are they doing to their state? This is their thing. It's the corporation. Who's this governor that nominated her? I want to know. Does anyone know about Delaware, period? Who has been to Delaware? Has anyone here seen Delaware?

I've turned through it. I've never heard of Delaware. Delaware Water Gas is kind of cool. It sure is Delaware. It's south of New Jersey. I know that. I drove there once for a movie. Let me just tell you about this movie.

I was in college. And I was walking down the street. I saw this advertisement for tryouts for a movie. Let me just tell you about this movie. I was in college and I was walking down the street and I saw this advertisement for tryouts for a movie and it was like a student movie. I thought, fuck it, I love to,

I'll do that. And I was acting in high school and I was like, I haven't done that in a while. Like, yeah, I'll try out for the show. And the show was called,

the movie was called Delaware, W-H-E-R-E. And it was about this very premise. It was a bunch of people who were like, who's ever been to Delaware? Nobody.

Is it even real? It's a conspiracy. And then they go on this journey to find Delaware and in the end they don't. In the end they try to get there and they realize it's not real. I believe. If you can find that, it was at BU.

With the friends you made along the way? Yeah. It was very short. I actually don't remember anything else about it other than I was a star. Of course. And I crushed it. Let's go.

Let's go. All I care about. I think we should make Moon a star. Of course. And I crushed it. Let's go. Let's go. All I care about. I think we should make moon a state instead of Delaware. We got to replace them. Honestly, like if they're just going to wage war against like the whole reason they exist, which is corporations just make it honestly too small to be a state.

Like it's like very, it's very silly. I don't know how that happened historically. I don't know why we're allowing it to persist. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And I get really mad when they start talking about making D.C. a state. That's crazy. First of all, D.C. is

in a state. It's inside of another state. It can just be a part of that state. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I think we need to expand territory, but maybe reduce the number of states. I'll take Greenland first before D.C. Greenland doesn't have to be a state greenland can be a territory we don't need to make it a state people are like oh what do we we don't have enough we don't have the space on the flag or

whatever first of all that's not a good enough reason to not expand terrible reason first of all second like it doesn't have to be a state we have tons of territory that's not a state the u.s virgin islands aren't states the i can't pronounce is it the mariana islands uh guam american samoa these aren't states this is just't pronounce, is it the Mariana Islands? Guam, American Samoa. These aren't states. This is just territory that we own. Greenland can be that. Cuba probably could be a state.

I think they're going to vote in the way that I want them to vote. So we're letting the Cubans in. Of course. They're getting senators. And I think Moon, we got to populate it first. But probably after we populate it. think Moon Statehood just sounds really cool so I'm in favor of that. I don't know what you guys think about that by the way. Where are you on the issue of

on Moon Statehood? Well, you know what? I'm going to reduce it. Let's start with Greenland and we can take it off from there. I'm open. Okay, great. You know what? I like that. You know, we got to start somewhere and I'm happy to start with openness.

Well, I don't know. Where does this go? I guess, where does this go with the Tesla stuff? I mean, how does this conclude? Supreme Court, right? That's where it goes. I mean, does it? It goes up to a higher court in Delaware that is apparently more conservative. Gary Black is a guy that professionally, he talks about this stuff and has a lot of investors. And so he's analyzed it and he says this will go to a higher court in Delaware and they're more conservative. One last angle to this that I would point out is, and it's with great sadness and incredible reluctance, that I'm forced to admit that the British may have a point. In Britain, if someone sues and loses, they may be required to pay the defendant's

legal costs. That discourages frivolous and false claims. This is called loser pays. Yeah, we need that. I mean, this case should never... Tell me more about that. Do we know anything else about the guy who sued, who had the nine shares? Yeah, it's just a single guy. And then what these law firms do is they find someone. They want the case. They troll around. They find the guy to represent them for the tort case. Yeah, we got to do something about these crazy lawyers. Yeah, this is like ADA trolling, patent trolling. There's another new type of trolling that I forget. It's very parasitic.

Yeah, I don't like it. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of the judge, Kathleen. Got my fucking eye on you. That's her name. It's Kathleen. There's an extra A in there randomly. Riley's disappointed.

She's a Karen, let's be real. It's not Kathleen. They're good parents. We have to be careful here. Let's disappointed. She's a Karen. Let's be real. It's not Kathleen. Well, she's the bad. There are good Karens. Yes, yes. We have to be careful here. Let's not just throw that around. Yes, correct.

Come on, Riley. The nation needs Karens. We need Karens to, what are some, you know, that's a whole other topic. Guys, it's been real. And we got to wrap it up. It looks like our Christmas episode, but it's not our Christmas. We have, you know, two more weeks to go. I just was in the spirit. Everyone's

in Miami. Any last thoughts? I mean, we could go backwards. I mean, if you guys want to talk about the trans situation, Tennessee, we could talk about Tesla. We could combine these things somehow. There is a link. I know the link. I'm not going to bring it up. You guys don't know it. Is there a

physiognomy check? Elon's having to... Yeah, the link is that, well, I don't know, the link could be Elon, and Chris talked about this in another episode, like his child, there's a couple states that allow children to receive gender-affirming care without the consent of their parents. Washington and Oregon are two of those, and then some schools in California have, like they can offer contraception to children in school-based clinics. And so this whole,

in a sense, it's good that the left went so far. I think they ended up getting a lot of moderates to vote for Trump this way because they're like, listen, I don't care about your tax policy. I don't care about all these other things. But I do care about the safety of our children who, contrary to some people's beliefs, are the most vulnerable members of our society. We need to protect them and we need to use common sense as to what's best for them long term. Yeah, it seems like this is the issue that radicalized trump i know a lot of people uh who voted for not only biden but um hillary who voted for trump in this election and it was the it was specifically this issue this was it was uh it was the issue of uh and it was not just on the kids too i think there was something really disorienting about um watching the swimmer

for a lot of people i think that was the moment for a lot of people it was not just on the kids too. I think there was something really disorienting about watching the swimmer or a lot of people. I think that was the moment for a lot of people. It was like watching that swimmer just like wreck women in the pool. And the boxer too. And then the, well, that came a little bit later and I think people had already, they'd already,

they'd already been pilled at that point. The boxer was just confirmation. But the, but the swimmer was the one where it was like, it wasn't just that it was happening. It was that, it was that they were treated or like they were bad people for just questioning it like just saying like well wait a minute what's going on here uh on a college campus she seems huge like we should talk about

that probably and uh that's where the pilling began i think and that's certainly where his what began and then i'm drawing i'm like that guy with the map right now and so like that links over to uh he starts getting crazy on x um which he's forced to buy by kathleen that backfires because um it goes really well for him at least in terms of politics and now she's really mad and she's doubling down on the tesla thing she's lashing out she's bothered she's trying to figure out whatever she can do to stop him um and uh i don't know maybe she will eventually someone's gonna stop it i mean he just keeps he like has been indomitable for years but everyone falls eventually and kathleen could be the woman will she be not entirely sure but stay tuned we will follow the story to see if kathleen destroys elon musk um it real, guys. Catch you back here next week.

Don't forget to sound off in the comments about Olivia and Chris. Tell us who you want to see more of. They didn't attack each other much. It was pretty amicable. I don't know what's going to be going on tonight. Probably behind the scenes, it gets a little spicy. But you tell us who you want to see back here.

They're keeping it private, but it might get a little spicy in the comments. I want to see some arguing. I want to see some factions happening. I want to see chaos. Because they've been kind of commenting. I want to see a little more dysfunction happening. Just for my entertainment purposes only. If you support me, you support my wife.

Oh, that's a catch-22. He's trying to win. He's trying to get those votes. For psychology. It's been real, guys. I don't know how to... Anything else? Subscribe. Subscribe to The Daily.? Subscribe, subscribe to the daily. Subscribe. Please subscribe.

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