Pirate Wires - Climate Change Is Over, Jewish Tunnels In NYC & SF Ends The War | PIRATE WIRES EP#30 🏴‍☠️

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

EPISODE #30: The Pirate Wires crew is here for your weekly Friday podcast! This episode we get into all the latest clown world stories. Now that Greta is yay-Hamas, is the climate change fight over? Pete Buttigieg says ‘not so fast!’ as he claims that the supply chain will be disrupted by climate change.. while there’s an actual terrorist attack in the Red Sea. The Jewish tunnels in NYC brought out some of the best memes on the the internet. The complete buffoonery that is SF passing a ceasefire resolution. Don Lemon is based and on X. Which leads us to our final topic about the overton collapse and the future of news media. Featuring Mike Solana , Brandon Gorrell, River Page, Sanjana Friedman Subscribe to Pirate Wires: https://www.piratewires.com/ Topics Discussed: https://www.piratewires.com/p/overton-collapse https://www.theindustry.pw/p/crisis-on-the-red-sea https://www.dolorespark.pw/p/grim-new-record Pirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWires Mike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolana Brandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrell River Twitter: https://twitter.com/river_is_nice Sanjana Twitter: https://twitter.com/metaversehell TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Welcome Back To The Pod! Like & Subscribe! 1:30 - Greta Is Full Pro Palestine. Is The Climate Fight Seeing Its Final Days? 18:00 - That's Pete Buttigieg's Music! Pete Blames Shipping Crisis On Climate Change.. Not The Actual Terror Attacks 22:30 - It's Time To Build! - Jewish Tunnels In NYC 34:45 - SF Ends The War! A Complete Nonsense Ceasefire Resolution Was Passed 40:30 - Dean Preston Blames Racism For Grocery Store Closing51:45 - Based Don Lemon! Don Is Back On Twitter Exclusively. What Will His Show Look Like? 55:00 - Overton Collapse - The Changing Media Landscape In America1:07:00 - Thanks For Watching! Like & Subscribe! See You Next Week! #podcast #climatechange #nyc #sanfrancisco #politics #culture

We don't do that in America. I think that she feels that she's wrong. I think the climate thing is not working. Why on earth could you possibly care about Palestine and Israel if you genuinely believed in apocalypse? How dare you? America said it's time to build, and the Hasidic Jews of New York listened.

It's just a s*** show, in my opinion. Discussing a war on the other side of the country that san francisco obviously has nothing to do with and it's weird because like we all know it's stupid everyone knows it's stupid they know it's stupid we know it's stupid what's up welcome back to the pod guys we got a packed show for you today um first if you haven't checked out the ryan peterson interview we just did this week um or that i did this week with ryan you should definitely check that out uh we're going to touch upon a little bit of that today but it's a great conversation about the crisis in the red sea the shipping crisis in the red sea the trade

crisis the global trade crisis that has been catalyzed by the Houthis blowing shit up in an attempt to provoke a broader regional war over Israel. It's a great episode. I don't know if I can say it's a great episode, but it's my episode. But it's really, it's Ryan doing the having LinkedIn there, so I think I can say it. It's great. You should check it out. Subscribe and all that good news here so subscribe share comment uh and let's just get right into it um i am dying to talk about greta thunberg uh this is not someone who i don't i avoid her you know she's like this she's catnip in a way for a certain kind of online poster and i try to i mean i nip i nip the catnip, I do. But for her, it just seems it's too obvious. It's too easy. It's why do it? It's the evolution for me though.

So the thing about Greta Thunberg, the sort of autistic climate activist from Northern Europe, who is worshipped or had been worshipped for years by the left as a kind of, I don't know, goddess of misery and human deceleration. She's really embraced the pro-Palestine movement. I guess she would call it probably the free Palestine movement, the pro-Hamas movement, right? Many perspectives on what you might call Greta Thunberg at this moment. The interesting thing to me is not Palestine, Hamas, Israel, whatever. It's that she's changed her primary focus for the first time ever. She's never wavered from the climate thing. She's been very, very committed to just relentless focus on really the collapse of the United States, right? It's like not very interested in China and India,

very interested in America and Europe. Briefly pro or anti-nuclear, I think she kind of wavered a little bit on that for a moment when she realized how impossible it was to defend the idea of Germany shutting down its nuclear plants and burning coal. But now it's like she's wavered a bit

what first of all have you all noticed that and then i have some thoughts on maybe where i think it might be coming love to hear your thoughts on it i'm gonna start just river i mean takes on greta thunberg and this evolution um well i mean it's not the first like kind of wild thing that she's done i remember for a while she was reportedly corresponding with the unibar you guys hear about like they were they were writing each other i didn't know you were about that yeah um yeah a lot of parallels you people should probably keep an eye out but he was that was that's still environmentally sure yeah but um i mean it doesn't really surprise me uh the pro-palestine stuff, I think, is more... I mean, it's been a part of, like, the far left in America for a long time, but I think even, like, in Europe, it's more of a mainstream, like, political issue for the left, like, the people who actually get elected, like, social democratic parties and stuff but it is um yeah it is weird that like this is her new hobby horse because she's she has been very militant and staying on the environmental thing it's kind of hard to tell why like i don't know because

there's been all sorts of other crazy atrocities and uh you know bad stuff going on in the world um that she hasn't really paid attention to so i mean i really have no idea why uh maybe she's just like like the rest of us um just incapable of escaping just like the relentless um sort of push to say something on social media about this conflict i would agree with that had she wavered really at all um publicly and to see no no wavering what i really think is she has i think that she feels that she's wrong i think that she's i think that it's oh i think the climate thing is not working the climate discourse is it, which is crazy because on one hand, you see these relentless headlines still, um, about the sort of coming apocalypse and whatnot.

But even when the Democrats bring this stuff up in debates, it doesn't, it feels like their heart's not really in it anymore. It's not like I was in college in 2006, seven. uh when i think i'm not sure when an inconvenient truth came out but it was around that maybe 2005 or something um but certainly in like summer of 06 and 07 there was a huge conversation about the end of the world i was in boston i remember the um the boston phoenix which was an independent newspaper they're super lefty they all were but it's sort of the world. I was in Boston. I remember the Boston Phoenix, which was an independent newspaper there, super lefty. They all were, but it still worked the globe.

The message was the same across all of the papers. There was also peak oil. Do you remember peak oil? Yes. Peak oil was around 2005. And that was, people were panicked about peak oil. That's the funniest thing to think about now. Where're just like no there's like endless oil yeah actually that's the problem because we're gonna die if we keep burning it yeah that that scared me

into being an environmentalist at the time i i i nibbled at the at the an inconvenient truth sort of narrative i really was like i mean i went in there like damn i mean he showed me those charts and i was convinced i thought the world was ending the phoenix straight up said they said large parts of boston would be underwater by now by today um and while i've been thinking about this and greta's evolution and wondering you know what is going on with the climate stuff uh not in terms of reality, but just in terms of the discourse, which is kind of where I tend to live and what I tend to think about. I started to think about Ocasio-Cortez came out in 2019 and said that we had 12 years before the world ended due to global warming. And I wonder if in hindsight, I that's you know it was five years ago so we have seven years left to live right we don't like i i where is there should be a countdown we need to be like

we need to be tracking this right that feels almost like maybe that was the height of hysteria global warming hysteria at that point and um and even when the fires were happening, right? You had all the California wildfires, maybe like a year later. They really tried to pin that on global warming, but it didn't feel as much of a sacred cow. There was plenty of criticism. I critiqued it myself at the height of what you might look back at and think of as a uniquely culturally authoritarian moment where you could not speak. I had no problem criticizing that narrative and going after land management and zoning laws and things like this. And I don't know,

it feels like a little bit over. And it feels like on some level, Greta kind of moving on to a new topic, no matter how popular, I mean, like as River, as you mentioned, there's always some popular topic that is sucking people who are on the internet in she's always resisted it and now she's not and that feels i always really believed that she really believed this and really cared about it and this is certainly a sacrifice to that right why on earth could you possibly care about palestine and israel if you genuinely believed in apocalypse was on the table like nothing would be more important than staying on message and she's clearly betrayed that she no longer believes that when she the late 2010s is when she kind of

popped up and that was really the peak culturally of like the climate doomerism he had first reformed which is a great movie but it's like about like you're like a priest who like becomes basically like the Unabomber you have Shittown which is that huge NPR podcast about the guy who basically kills himself with cyanide who because he thinks that the world is going to end he's also like mentally ill and calls it

a gay guy all kinds of interesting stuff it's also a great podcast there's a lot of really great art that came out of this millinery and like death cult um and also annoying stuff like greta thunberg but like it it really was like this weird cultural moment where i think that um i honestly think it had a lot to do with trump where like it wasn't even necessarily about the climate stuff like it on the it's the surface it was but like people i guess like sort of like the liberal portion of america had this impending sense of doom that was actually coming from i think

their increasingly political like increasing political irrelevancy and so they like latched on to this thing this like climate thing that had been around since as you said like al gore's documentary and um just sort of like really really played that up but now um i think biden's the president um he hasn't really done anything about this issue but this new uh sort of you know the palestine thing has come up and like that is kind of replacing it as like the uh the moral cause of the day because it shows that like even when democrats are in power like there's still awful things that can happen and like there's nothing you can do about it i see where you're coming from with that but it's very

i mean you can't say that the palestine stuff is anywhere near as evocative as black lives matter and that started in the obama presidency and still the like the greta greta did not she was not out there talking about black lives matter to the best of my knowledge and if she did if it was if there was one post somewhere maybe someone i'm sure someone now is going to find that it's not like i mean greta is committed it is like really has become a the palestine thing's become a big part of what she's talking about um whereas i mean black lives matter would have been if barack obama's the president he's a black president still this is happening right that's that's when the conversation begins and um and of course like this country actually has a history of racism and a race

conversation and like this this is a it was very sensitive to uh it's very acutely american conversation in a way not to say that racism doesn't exist elsewhere but this specific sort of like the black white conversation is is our conversation drove the whole country crazy and still um it it didn't it didn't it didn't sway the hardcore. I guess maybe back then Greta was a little too young, maybe. Yeah, and also Swedish. They didn't really have anything to do with Israel-Palestine either. What are you seeing, Solana?

I always saw that one post from Greta where she's with a group of people and they're holding up Palestine signs. Has she been on this since October 7ober 7th or like what's the history started it started a little conspiratorially there was um at least i thought it was a crazy it was like at the height it was the octopus it was it was when um the uh i missed this whole news cycle israel hamas first blew up back in october greta took a picture and in the picture was um with her you know crazy activist friends was this plush octopus and uh the pro-israel people freaked out they were like this is like clearly a call back to these anti-Semitic cartoons that were illustrated in newspapers back

in Hitler's day. And they showed all the octopuses and the Jewish octopuses that were killing everybody. I was like, that's fucking crazy. It's a stuffed animal. There's no way. But she immediately took it down as this thing started, which was my first signal where I thought, wait a minute, that is quite odd because if someone was accusing me of anti-Semitism for a stuffed animal, there's no way in hell I would apologize. I would at least be confused long enough to not take the thing down. I'd be like, wait a minute, this is crazy. She didn't do it. It was an immediate thing. And then came all the Palestine stuff. And now I'm like, you know what? I think that octopus

really was an anti-Semitic octopus. I don't think Thunberg likes Jews. I really don And now I'm like, you know what? I think that octopus really was an anti-Semitic octopus. I don't think Thunberg likes Jews. I really don't. I'm going to say it. Isn't she? I mean, I know she's not German, but sounds German. She's got that fascist energy. I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm just calling the shots as I see them. That's just because she's Scandinavian, I think. But I mean, I think that to me, Greta, That's just because she's Scandinavian, I think. But I mean, I think that to me, Greta, part of it in my mind is that she's getting older. I don't know if she's like queer yet or something or if she soon will be queer. But it just seems to me that Greta is also falling prey to this kind of in this house we believe ideology, which is this sort of unifying thing of like in this house we believe, you know, Black Lives Matter matter and whatever some environmental slogan and all these different things that are packaged into one in this activist these activist leftist circles where you know you see it like in berkeley for example where they're having a march this weekend for people's park and free palestine and it's like okay what what's the connection between this like land development they're doing in berkeley

and free palestine it's not clear but they what's the connection between this land development they're doing in Berkeley and free Palestine? It's not clear, but they'll make the connection that this has to do with helping subaltern people across the world and international solidarity and all this stuff. So I do think that on some level, I agree that maybe Greta's alignment with Palestine is now sort of a concession that maybe the world's not ending tomorrow. But I also think that there's just this like broader leftist current that subsumes all causes within this one overarching like activist narrative. And she's part of that now. What's she up to in general? Does she like have a way to make money what does she do she does she go around and speak at events or what's her i don't know no idea i'm assuming saudi benefactors because i have zero evidence but it would be the best

possible story so that's where i'm sure she has like some speaking fees or has like written a book or something her parent like ever since the start i always thought it was weird because her parents are like her mom was an actress and her dad is like a finance guy or something i don't know like they just seem like the type of people who would be like shuffling their like child autistic child prodigy around as some sort of like i don't know millenarian leftist like tent revival preacher you know what i mean like she had a weird it was like a weird child prophet thing that it was creeping up that that was definitely the case during trump remember when she remember that meme where she was she was caught uh looking at trump with a really mean face and everybody was like

fuck yeah greta thunberg you guys? She was putting a curse on him. She was really mad. Yeah. Yeah, and everybody was like- That was her whole thing. It was like when she went up before that audience, I forget what audience, was it like the, in my mind it was like the Oscars or something.

And she went to, it was some huge audience where she stood up before everybody and she was like, you have destroyed my generation. And all the old people were like how dare you you're so right thank you like crying it's just weird she does she serves just like snm purpose it's there's a fetishistic thing about it where people want to be punished by like a northern european young woman is like what is i really do believe it on some level you see that a lot on the hard left it's like this weird sadomasochism and you saw it also with remember at the height of all the

sort of like america's race war where those white people were kneeling down before the black people though that whole crowd of white people never forget that image i will never forget it like ask literally asking for the abuse and sort of thanking them for it and they were giving it to him right like both sides were totally it was totally consensual um that's a weird sex thing that's what i see when i see that that's definitely what's happening it's crazy and i feel like it's also it's it's um it's it's not something i want to see in public right like if you want to do that you can do that in some weird club in the confines of your bedroom. I'm still a little bit of a libertarian about that kind of thing. Be weird and freaky somewhere else, but not in front of kids.

The thing that made that a little bit weirder, too, was that it was in some random public park. I noticed it in the barbecue area. It was just like they gathered to do it. I noticed it like in where, in like the barbecue area, it was just like, they gathered to do it. It was also, there was also that image that went around of like Pelosi and a bunch of Democrats wearing the candy cloth. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Yeah. African cloth. Yeah. Candy cloths all kneeling. Yeah. And like the, the specific design, I think, I believe it was from the Ashanti empire, which was like a giant slave trading empire yeah and then they just didn't address that and it never came

back up again it's like we're just going to pretend it didn't happen hey guys thanks for listening to the Pirate Wires pod make sure you like subscribe comment below and share this with your friends I do want to kind of quickly note on the climate stuff there was this phenomenal tweet of Pete Buttigieg's. This was a few days ago. He tweeted

that the greatest threat facing the supply chain today was climate. And this is kind of one of the pieces of the climate thing for me where it really feels like the conversation has fallen off um i mean nobody thinks that nobody co-signed it he got no support from the mainstream press and the reason is obviously because there's a crazy terror campaign in yemen that has shut down the fucking global shipping one third of global shipping um again in an attempt to provoke to provoke the americans into war in yemen which would catalyze a broader war surrounding israel which we discussed with ryan this week and it's just like that that the obliviousness to such a clearly pressing thing is um people are over it including people on the left. In California, the fires are used obviously to absolve people from their own poor decisions, whether it be in land management or zoning or

PG&E's culpability and all of this. And just in general, I wrote this piece once a few years ago, global warming in my homework. And that's when I really started looking at this stuff as, I think there is some truth to the global warming stuff. I do think that man-made global warming is probably true. And I do think it's going to have an impact on the world. I think it's not clear at all what that impact is going to be. cautious about uh but i think that mostly the people who talk about it don't care about it at all and so we have them talking about something they don't care about while something else that really matters which is public infrastructure um or in this case the supply chain um is crumbling and we need them to focus on those things and to take accountability for those things where nothing gets better at all um i don't know what do you guys think about that yeah it just kind of seems like election year rhetoric to me um apparently like oil production is at all-time

highs in america right now but biden's not mentioning it because it would not be good for him to mention it currently and i have to wonder if like but a judge is like yeah it's about climate change but he also knows that it's actually about the Houthis. Otherwise, it's just really depressing. If Buttigieg actually thinks that this unsolvable climate change problem is what's going to take down global shipping, then I don't know what he's going to do about it. It's not unsolvable. simple as we've been told that, and I'm going to take them at their word right now. I'm going to take Akazu at her word that seven years from now, the world is going to end because of global warming. And the reason is because of all the carbon that we've dumped into the atmosphere. The more carbon that you dump into the atmosphere, the warmer the planet gets. Okay, understood. So obviously what you need to do is not only stop producing carbon, fuck that, you need to

sequester carbon. We have ways to do that. Like we've proven ways to do that. We could be ocean seeding right now, dumping iron into the ocean, spiking phytoplankton growth. That will be sequestering carbon. We'll be spiking fish populations. And maybe it does toxify the sea, but it prevents this crazy apocalyptic thing that we're being told, you know, potentially a runaway greenhouse effect that leads to like a Venus-like atmosphere. That's very scary. If that is on the table, why aren't we talking about these dramatic carbon sequestration things? And the reason is because I think it's a little multifaceted.

One, people don't really believe it. People don't really believe that this is going to be the end of the world. That's why you have people buying property in Nantucket still. And two, I think the global warming probably works out for some regions and then does really poorly for others uh it's it's really it's actually pretty complicated when you start talking about um when you start talking about global climate because if we were to cool the planet quite a bit europe would be screwed and um it's like, obviously every region has a different, they have a different, they would have a naturally different desire for the weather. You don't want super extremes, but within the margins, if you had that kind of control, we would never be able to agree on what

to do. Okay. I want to move on. This is a totally different, like a wildly different, could not be more different topic. It's a very strange topic. America said it's time to build, and the Hasidic Jews of New York listened. tremendous wave of incredible press some absolutely phenomenal memes uh including one viral video featuring an nypd officer who employed the phrase we don't do this in america but in that awesome accent i want to let's play a clip of the guy Okay. Okay. So that accent is my mother. My mom sounds like that. She's from New York and she sounds like that. And it is a, it is like a strong, soothing accent to me. There's nothing that could be happening where a man like that, with that accent comes out and lays down the law where I don't feel a little bit better. And he's been kind of like my guiding light throughout this entire process. And he really is how I feel about it all where these tunnels were discovered about a month ago. Cement truck comes in to fill in the tunnels. There's like a huge fight. It seems like there

is a conflict between a radical group of Haseeds and like the regular Haseeds. And somehow these tunnels are related. None of the reporting, I've been reading it on the New York Times and whatnot. No one seems to really understand what's going on. What we do know is that the sort of less radical Haseeds, I mean, Haseeds are radical to begin with, but the less radical Haseeds are really upset about these tunnels. And they're really worried about how they're going to play publicly. And so I am just sort of like,

I don't know what's going on here, but shut it down. No more tunnels. We're not doing tunnels. Yeah. The ones who dug the tunnel, they're like this weird messianic sect of Asids who think that the Messiah was this rabbi who's like dead now but like lived i think like

where they were i think they were like trying to dig to him or something so river this is a this is a break-off sect of of hasids uh yeah that are doing the tunnel yeah they think there was a messiah i thought it was just i thought that the the shul or the organization that is apparently responsible or accountable for this, they put out a letter that said basically like there's some rabble-rousing teens that did this, and we absolutely condemn it. That's where it starts to get fishy for me, and that is why. I have a group chat with, I'm not going to use names, but this one friend of ours is is very sensitive to the israel stuff and then

and and he was really mad at us laughing at the tunnel memes because they're funny i'm sorry and i was just like listen bro i was like bro they are funny and if you can't accept that then you have enormous problems like you it's like democrats basing trump and saying he wasn't funny in 2016. Like, that's why you lost. See, he's obviously funny. The tunnel memes are funny. But he was really sensitive to it and kind of like obscuring the central question that I had about them casually, which was just like, you know, why are so like lips of TikTok is an Orthodox Jew. And she's super involved in that community. And she immediately amplified the counter narrative about these being these kids and they're not like everybody else.

And it's like this very whatever thing. And I'm thinking, why are you so sensitive about some tunnels? It's just funny. Whatever. We're shutting the tunnels down. Who cares? Why are you freaking out about it? The average person wouldn't care um i think there's a bigger part of this story and and partly the overreaction is because they don't want there to be a broad wave of anti-semitism um because it doesn't take much to kind of catalyze a broad wave of anti-semitism online and yet i still why would they think something like this would catalyze a broad wave of anti-Semitism? It wouldn't.

It's just a tunnel. There's something else in the story that I don't quite know what it is yet. And all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories that are very vile. And I don't want to say they're conspiracy theories. I see a lot of people saying really horrific things in comments on this. It is alarming. There is more to this story. It's not all just fun and games um

you know like another messianic jew in a tunnel who's alive again i mean we've all seen this story before yeah i mean speaking of that like i mean people should not be like spreading like crazy you know conspiracy theories but like to say that like no other religious group people that nobody else they like for instance if there's if it came out that like uh priests or like uh seminarians at like a catholic school or something were secretly digging tunnels under like a giant catholic cathedral people would also be like yeah there's something weird about that you know what i mean like people would be would they well i don't can you tell i don't understand what the big deal is about these tunnels i mean can you somebody did point that out they were like well that is sorry i'm sorry but i'm that

shit up and i'm like that's fair you know what i mean like and well we've seen what but we've seen what is done with those tunnels like we actually know why those tunnels are being built. Like, it's happened time and again. I mean, all that is just to say, if you secretly build tunnels... If you secretly build tunnels, it's inherently suspicious because they are secret. What? It is absolutely... I fundamentally reject this. It is absolutely not. I don't understand

this. If there are some random... Like, tunnels sound fun. Who doesn't love tunnels? I love tunnels. As a kid, I dug tunnels through the snow. The idea of tunnels are like like like they're they're they are whimsical and um i don't know like adventurous like is the what were they secret i think i have to defect solana i mean secret tunnels are inherently suspicious if they're secret they're suspicious a secret tunnel in the middle of new york that you. This is not something they did in a day. This was multiple months.

It's something like Harry Potter shit. That's awesome. Trying to defend the secret tunnel. It's a little suspicious. No, it's suspicious. That's what I'm always listening to. It's mysterious. I agree with that.

I agree that reaction is suspicious. I don't think... I think let them have tunnels. It's like that clip of Chris Crocker when he was asked, you know, Chris, and this is the Lee Brittany Lowe guy, they said, Chris, what do you make of Brittany's hit and run? And he was like, you know what, guys? Brittany is an icon. You know, she is, I don't think she's, he said she's a legend. Let her hit. And that's how I feel hit and that's how i feel about that's how i feel about teenagers digging tunnels if they are teenagers but i don't know like the reaction

was suspicious i want to know what was i i do i am curious to know well more about what was going on with those stuff the orthodox jews took a cue from the protestants and see we have like a weird unassimilated like group of uh religious people called the amish and we keep them in the pennsylvania countryside they could be digging enormous like they could be hiding they could have missile silos under those barns we don't know and nobody cares or thinks about it because they're kind of but these people are like in the middle of new york building the tunnels so then it becomes like an issue for public concern when people are like hearing yiddish in their walls and like it'd be kind of dangerous like stuff could just fall you know what i mean

yeah so any thoughts on the on the on the jewish tunnels i mean i'm curious what the engineering know-how required to build these tunnels was like did they actually it wasn't clear to me looking at the tiktoks and uh reading some of the stories i briefly read like how they actually dug the tunnels it seems pretty sophisticated so the guy in my group chat who is sensitive about this said there were no tunnels there was like this one and he he had this scope kind of uh thought that he was spreading about it. And then I saw more headlines this morning about there being tunnels. So I think that's a great question. Yeah. I don't know. Like, how do they do it? Someone needs to interview one of the tunnel diggers. Why has no one gotten, we should interview one of the tunnel, one of the diggers. We should, let's try and get one of the diggers on the podcast. I have a lot lot of questions actually i think that the degree of

uh time and effort involved in digging the tunnels would kind of to my mind make more clear whether or not this is whether or not there is a sinister dimension potentially or a sort of weirder dimension or if it's just innocent teenage fun like okay teenagers digging tunnels i don't know sort of randomly without the the knowledge of their higher-ups um or like a sophisticated tunnel digging operation for some broader purpose yeah even it even if it is like something that's not exactly above the level that doesn't necessarily mean it's like a secret uh like milwaukee and like a child sacrifice cult or something because like okay if you live in south florida or new york and you're a gay guy you know that them hosties are

on grinder like they have vices just like everybody else's and maybe they're building a tunnel to like i don't know drink smoke cracks off dudes whatever they're doing down there you know it's none of our business really unless it kind of unless they are doing something kind of insane and which you know then maybe it is i was offered money for sex um by an acidic gentleman back in my new york city days in my early 20s i was like hey holy shit they used to hang out outside of a bar that i liked uh my friend alex i used to hang out this bar metropolitan and they would hang out outside of a bar that I liked. My friend Alex and I used to hang out at this bar, Metropolitan. And they would hang out at this bar. It's a gay bar.

It's like a kind of – back then, it was like an alternative gay bar. So they played cool music, and it was a divey bar. And it was in Williamsburg. So they'd hang out outside until the end of the night, and they would come in and use the bathroom sometimes. And it was very strange to see Hasidic Jews outside outside of like waiting, not just outside, like waiting outside of the gay bar. I think to pick guys up, I don't want to, you know what, I'm not going to give any nefarious motive here. But I do know that I was followed home and right outside of my home where my mutual friend with Brandon, actually, the person who introduced us, this guy, Ryan, who lived, we were roommates back then. He was on the first floor. So he was right there watching the whole thing go down and the dude he like pulled up and he asked where uh he's like hey hey i was like oh hey and i thought he wanted i don't know why i got

the sense he wanted directions and i used to love giving people directions in new york city because it made me feel like a new yorker and like oh i know what's going on um so i was like what's up and he said uh you know where the good gay bars are and i was like oh like you're in a jew like he had a full-on it was like the hat and the curl and i'm like that is like a dark like your life must suck i felt bad for him i'm like this guy um is closeted gay guy looking to kind of like break out of this crazy cult-like religion that he's in and he wants to explore his sexuality i had felt like i want to help him i'm like uh yeah there are a couple and he threw one out he said sugarland i was like oh no way you don't want to

go to sugarland sugarland was a club it was crazy it was wild i'm like you're not ready for sugarland like you need something okay i'm sitting here like trying to help this man i'm like you should go to metropolitan. People are nice there. There's a nice little bar, whatever. And then he puts his hand on a pile of money and he goes, you want to come with me? And I was like,

I gotta go. But thank you. I was weirdly complimented, but absolutely not. And I really, this is not your first time doing this. And I really felt, I felt stupid because I really thought I was helping this guy. But in the end, it was a funny story and I love to collect those. So that was my, yeah, that was my acidic Jew outside of a gay bar who followed me home story,

which they don't all do. I'm not saying all Jews do this. Certainly not all Jews, definitely not all acidic Jews. This is just a random story about this crazy city of new york where lots of cultures come together and weird shit happens like for example sometimes there are tunnels um sajja take us to the san francisco c-spire conversation speaking of palestine versus israel oh my god i mean this topic it just it feels like buying into the bread and circuses, but basically San Francisco. So last month, Dean Preston, our favorite millionaire Marxist, introduced a resolution for calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

Also an end to Islamophobia and anti-Semitism, whatever. It was the symbolic resolution that he introduced at the Board of Supervisors last month. And I was actually there at the meeting when he introduced it. And there was a massive line of people who gave like six and a half hours of public comment. And for context, you can only give a minute long speech in public comment. So there were a ton of people who showed up to talk about this. And it made headlines and, you know, ceasefire resolutions were popping up in city councils all over the country. They had one in Oakland around the same time. And so the resolution was then sent to the Rules Committee as part of Board of Supervisors procedure where it was discussed this past Monday because, you know, they have to sort of propose amendments to it.

And then it goes back to the supervisors for a full vote. And so what you had was another six-and-a-half-hour-long meeting on Monday in the Rules Committee where a supervisor named Matt Dorsey proposed an amendment acknowledging atrocities committed on October 7th. This led to massive debate among the supervisors, and then another interminable round of public comment where, by the way, one of our new favorite San Francisco dolls, Rupa Maria, who's a UCSF doctor

who circulated this insane chart on... This is the one who said that... Femicide leads to inflammation. She's also the one who just she just blew up she blew up because she was circulating this like theory about how zionist doctors uh harm their patients and so we need to have like a an inquiry into zionist doctors in the u.s um and hurt patients of color zionist doctors are dangerous to the health of patients yeah of patients of color yeah exactly i mean it was basically this like weird intimation that

jewish doctor i mean by zionist i assume she means jewish as well um are somehow hurting patients of color it was an insane thing ucsf ended up apologizing and saying that they disavowed tired racist conspiracy theories anyway rupa shows up to give comment among hundreds of other people at the board of supervisors um and they end up sending it back to the full board which then on tuesday spends another six and a half hours like if you tally this up it's like you know almost a full day they spend discussing this discussing the ceasefire resolution and eventually they approve it eight to three. And this is heralded in publications like the Chronicle and the Standard as like this massive statement that's going to make a huge difference in the war.

Soleil Ho, who's a favorite columnist of mine in the Standard, writes this piece about how this is a really important gesture because it's showing that this major democratic city is kind of repudiating Joe Biden's stance on Israel and that this is going to make a big difference. And it's just a shit show, in my opinion, because they spent, I mean, people don't realize there's only three Board of Supervisor meetings a month, full Board of Super supervisor meetings a month, full board of supervisor meetings a month. And they spent two of these board of supervisor meetings, one in December and one in January. And then the rules committee meeting, of course,

this week discussing this entirely symbolic resolution. I mean, it's an insane use of taxpayer money. Literally discussing a war on the other side of the country that america is not even officially involved in that san francisco obviously has nothing to do with and it's weird because like we all know it's stupid everyone knows it's stupid they know it's stupid we know it's stupid um we the israelis know it's stupid because i just saw them tweeting a clip about how stupid it was uh everyone knows it's stupid and yet it i do i don't want to just laugh at it i think it really is so important because this is how governments across city governments specifically across the country are failing it's it is like this total um absolving of themselves

from responsibility for the actual job of a city government which is to make the city less shitty locally like you have to be focused on your city it seems crazy to have to say this and yet it does feel like that is one of the biggest problems that we're facing as a country right now. It's like these people are not, they're not doing the most basic jobs possible. And then when they do dip in, and so it's like, obviously there's the, there is the fentanyl crisis and all of the drug overdoses that you wrote about this week in Dolores Park. The chronic problems of in San Francisco, the gutting of retail, the collapse of the really jobs in San Francisco. People are not working in San Francisco anymore.

You have a massive hit to the local economy. It still hasn't recovered from COVID. sort of in that the pantheon of problems that san francisco has something like for example the closing of grocery stores in areas where there are no other grocery stores the solution is not to solve the problem by going after the criminals who have made it untenable for people to open grocery stores in the city the solution is as dean preston suggested, to force the store to stay open somehow. I don't even know how that is possible. Can you walk me through what happened this week with that? Yeah, I mean, well, it's not possible.

Basically, so Dean, again, Dean is behind the ceasefire resolution, which is a non-binding resolution, completely symbolic. And again, at this past Tuesdayuesday's supervisor meeting introduced a resolution urging safeway which is a grocery store to reconsider their decision to close their location in the fillmore so people familiar with san francisco there is a safeway massive grocery store pharmacy and bank and one uh on in the fillmore slash Western Edition, which is Dean's district. And this Safeway has been there for 40 years. But for the past few decades, honestly, has been plagued by rampant and increasing theft. The parking lot of this Safeway has also been like a de facto open drug market for a while.

Like back in the summer the Safeway was blasting classical music at night in an effort to discourage people from dealing drugs in the parking lot they've tried a ton of different things to reduce the rampant theft that plagues all pharmacies and supermarkets in San Francisco I mean they had at one point you had to show your shopping bag to security guards but that wasn't working or people were saying they're being in San Francisco. I mean, they had at one point you had to show your shopping bag to security guards, but that wasn't working or people were saying they're being racially profiled. So they implemented these like automatic gates at the self-checkout where you had to scan your receipt

to get out. But Safeway is basically saying, look, we are not making we're not making a profit on this branch. The numbers don't work out. So they're selling the property to a real estate developer. They're relocating all of their employees to different safeways across the city and they're leaving. And this lot that they're selling is almost four acres. It's, interestingly enough, zoned for both residential and commercial properties. So what you could have if people like Dean were willing to cooperate with developers, you could have affordable housing built there. You could even have a new supermarket built there. And by the way, they're opening up Trader Joe's around the corner from the Safeway. But Dean's response to all of this is just to

introduce another resolution saying, hey, let's not close this Safeway. And he has this kind of hysterical speech that you can watch in the Board of Supervisors where he talks about how really this is repeating redlining. And he sort of implies that the Safeway employees are racist because they want to leave a blighted neighborhood, which is not what they said. mean we're gonna play the clip let's let's let's see one of the this is like your standard i would say um concerned san franciscan

over something that has a very simple solution and let's talk about that after the clip i was deeply um angered to hear about the sudden closure because it is not only unconscionable, it is cruel, it is mean, it is disheartening to think that we have to come here in 2024 to defend food justice. It is completely, when you look at the demographic of the people who live around that Safeway, it is a lot of seniors. Where are they supposed to shop? Where are they supposed to go?

It is not only a grocery store. It is a pharmacy. It is a bank. So here's the solution. Arrest the people who are robbing the store. And then all of the problems go away. This is like, obviously, this comes up every single time a drugstore or a grocery store closes. And this has happened many times over the last few years. We've been covering it for a long time. Every single time the response from the left... I've never seen a supervisor actually get up and try and pressure this force, essentially, the store. Well, not force. It's

resolution. It's just some stupid pageantry. But I've never seen that before. Usually what happens is counter-narrative, is that these never seen that before. Usually what happens is like counter narrative is that these stores were leaving anyway. They were never going to stay there. It has nothing to do with the crime because they don't want to solve the crime because they believe the crime. I don't even know, honestly, who even knows at this point, why I don't want to solve the crime. I'm so lost in their narrative. But for that to be true, you would have to believe that all of these anti-theft measures that they put in place serve no purpose, right? Why did they do that? Why did they put all of those anti-theft measures in place if they were just going to leave anyway? It's like the solution

is so obvious. It's right in front of your face. All we need to do is prevent people from robbing the store blind and we'll have a grocery store. uh and we can't do that and so there's no grocery store and that is just the way the world works this girl here her mental model of how of what the world is in which like there is just like a cabal of two or three guys white guys who are making all of the decisions and we have to just petition them hard enough to like make sure there are grocery stores that you are able to just roam and take whatever you want and walk away without paying anything is so divorced from reality that it's like, that's not a person that we're ever going to be able to reach. That's not a person we can have a

real conversation with. So we've got to reach everybody else. Everybody who's fed up by this stuff, those are the people that we have to write to. Those are the people we have to speak to. And we got to get them on board with voting for people who are not criminally insane. Anyone else on the topic of grocery stores? Well, just to add one thing. I mean, I think that a lot of this comes down to the fact that people like Dean and this woman and other people who think that these closures have to do with like racism or whatever are still stuck in a worldview where all the people stealing from these grocery stores are like single mothers stealing baby formula for their kids or something like that um but we know that the theft in san

francisco is part of this highly sophisticated drug economy where you have addicts who are basically boosting large amounts of goods from supermarkets and pharmacies selling them to middlemen the fences um you know for cash and then using that cash to buy drugs and this has been very well documented um leighton woodhouse has a great piece on it but it's you know they need to sort of break out of this insane inaccurate idea of who's robbing stores um if they you know want to understand uh why it is in fact not deeply unfair and racist to prosecute theft well they don't want to understand i mean i think that they really must understand i mean preston seems so cynical this is a total abdication of responsibility on his part i can't see it any other way. How could he actually think that the problem of theft is mom's stealing baby formula?

This doesn't map onto reality in any way. And he lives there, presumably. I don't get it. I think that he does believe in the communism of it all. He really does conceive of the world even though he's a multi-millionaire in a multi-million dollar house um exactly the kind of person who should not exist in the communist world right like the target if you're having a communist revolution the bourgeoisie sitting right in front of you he does believe in like class a small class of capital people sort of just abusing everybody and sucking the wealth

out of them and he also believes i think truly in his heart of hearts that you shouldn't have to pay for food and for clothing and for uh and for shelter and so if you really believe that then like it's really hard to get you angry about someone robbing a store for food, which is how he's always going to frame. He's never going to be like, oh no, they're buying dish detergent 10 at a time and razor blades and whatever else to sell literally outside on a blanket, which they're doing to make money to buy drugs, which is legal in San Francisco effectively. He doesn't make all those steps. He just says, I don't care that someone's robbing a grocery store because that should be okay. There shouldn't even be a price tag. And I don't think that's crazy to say because

every time this conversation comes up online, the Democratic Socialists of America, of which he is a member, they say this explicitly on every time it's a subject. So that is the level of crazy that we're dealing with. They are a minority. And I think we've got to get to a place where we can just say, you know what? We don't need to talk about the virtue of stealing anymore. And you guys are just no longer welcome to the conversation. We need to shut down these public hearings and shit.

We don't even need those. Why do we even have those? They need to do their job. And if they fail at their job, they're fired. The end. It's also interesting because every actually existing socialist society in history criminalized stealing. You could not just steal shit. You would get sent to a gulag or jail or tortured.

Or enforced it much more harshly than like any place in the west does yeah that's right weird fantasy where like you know like under socialism there's just like no rules i mean the soviet union like it was illegal to be homeless because they did like to their credit like they had a higher ownership rate than the united states they made i mean they made those like giant like brutalist buildings or whatever but like if you didn't have a house you could go and they may put you in like a unheated like nasty basement or something but like you could not just like sleep on the street like they would arrest

you because they were like you're being a vagrant and you're being like a parasite on society we'll give you a place to live but if you don't stay there like we're going to put you in jail and like i don't know that's what socialism actually looks like in practice i can see you getting excited work in san francisco frankly but um that's the future river wants yeah i mean he's outlined it for you that's where his thinking will take you i would just maybe matt you can cut this in but that I totally agree, River. I mean, another example is Mal's Great Leap Forward. They would basically go through farms

and collectives on farms and look for farmers who were like storing away more of their crops than they were admitting that they had because the state was taking all their crops and they were um admitting that they had because the state was taking all their crops and and basically partitioning it out to them and saying this is how much you can eat of your own crops and these people who would who would um who would like sort of source them away some extra because they were all malnourished and basically dying of starvation were beaten up and you know like like you said sent to the sent to the local gulag or

whatever they had there and so yeah it's a really good point to make fortunately it's a point that we are now permitted to make well the truth is i was always permitted to make these points on twitter no one was ever silencing me making fun of communists that to my to the credit of the prior order was always permitted um but there is a new order on social media uh i want to talk a little bit about this don lemon who we last saw um on a debate stage in cnn a little panel discussing the future of nikki haley and he believes that nikki haley was sort of over the hill, past her prime. And this was because women hit a certain age and are there no longer. I don't even honestly, he didn't really connect the dots.

He sort of awkwardly stated that this was specific to women. There was pushback from his two female colleagues, which i'm not even gonna it's not my mind be like oh like the woke skulls i was like what does he mean i'm curious like that's weird uh he didn't just say oh no i mean something else he was like you can google this like go do your own research and sort of implying that he had discovered that women like past a certain age are really not capable of doing much i think he was i don't know maybe it was like a menopausallying that he had discovered that women past a certain age are really not capable of doing much. I think he was, I don't know, maybe it was like a menopausal thing that he was talking about.

Long story short, he was fired. And that was the end of Don Lemon, who until that moment was considered like one of the woke scolds himself. We haven't heard much from Don at all. My assumption was that he really went through no meaningful change at all. I think he's like a little bit older now. I thought he was just, you know, he's rich, going to retire, have a nice life. No, no, no, no. He is now launching, we learned this week, his own show in the vein of Tucker Carlson on

Twitter. And in it, he introduced language pro Twitter. He used the word X. Anytime someone says X instead of Twitter, you're like, that's an Elon boy. That's a man on Elon's side. So he's like, thank God for free speech, X. We're going to have real open conversations and all this kind of stuff, kind of refashioning themselves. People are wondering if he's going to be conservative now. No, no, no, no. He's going to be a both sides guy. This is going to be a both sides bro. It's going to be like, I'm the kind of guy who sees both sides and I talk to everybody it's gotta be what it is but the big change here is just that i mean he's on the it's like the vibe shift continues this is don lemon now on x saying yay elon uh elon endorsing the show um and uh and i don't know the resurrection of a formerly canceled yet yet again on twitter i hope he

goes like full like manosphere like men's rights activist or whatever because of the women who ruined him he's like let's talk about family court you know like you just really like gets into it yeah i think it's definitely within his wheel i mean he's a gay man and there is this like certain kind of we all know them we all know that we all know like yeah we know the game is not there is i don't i think most are not truly i think this is something that like radfems like to say and it's totally not true this is like in the vein of roxane gay the cousin of claudine um publicly saying that drag is woman fit like it's like woman face it's like that kind of rad femory of it all i i don't

it's not true of all gay men but there are some gay guys who are just like not here for women. And Don Lemon might be one of them. I'm not saying no based on his past comments. So yeah, so it's there. But it brings us to the question of like the Overton window and the widening of that Twitter's role in really speaking of Claudine Gay, you know, the firing of claudian gay i think it really happened on twitter i wrote a lot about that this week in a piece called overton collapse um that's a concept we've been thinking about a lot in our chats brandon you had some stuff that you were thinking about you want to kind of relay on that broader topic like the evolving media landscape i guess i see us as as being in the middle of a of arenched, it's like World War I of what I'm calling the consensus war, such that there, and this is not a unique take. I think this has been around for quite a while, but we really truly don't, there's 50% of the country that doesn't see reality the same way as the other 50% of the country. And it's such a huge difference

from how it was before. In Slack, I brought up the fact that between the 60s and the 80s, Walter Cronkite was anchor of CBS News. And he signed off every night with this phrase, he would say, and that's the way it is. And this was like, for me, and I think a lot of people think this, a symbol of like when there was actually consensus on reality in America. You had like basically one information source or even one person deigning, like, what is reality. And during Cronkite's tenure at CBS, you had huge geopolitical events happening. You know, you had, like, John Lennon died, JFK was assassinated, MLK was assassinated. You had all these huge things that everybody sort of only had one place to go to for the information and today we're kind of in

the opposite position we have this like terminally fractured information environment um where nobody nobody agrees on anything. And I think, again, like I brought up in the chat, I think that the reason for this, or one of the main reasons is essentially social media algorithms that identify your preferences and serve you content based on that.

As long as we i think have have those algorithms the consensus problem is just going to become more entrenched and uh unless like an idea breaks through to each side i don't i don't know how that happens so i mean i think that even without those algorithms we would have this consensus. I think the algorithms pose a slightly different, a very different, it's maybe that a little bit of that problem. There's another problem, which is that it's a different kind of search, right? In the early 2000s, when the internet was first coming online, really for young people who were flooding to it, we were directing our own searches. You would go to the internet and look for something. And you would be the one that push. Yes. Yes.

This is being given to you and it is endless. And that's a whole other very interesting conversation that I would love to honestly pursue a little bit more in the coming months. But when it comes to reality, I think that that was always going to be challenged. That is just what happens when you shatter a monopoly. And there was a media monopoly throughout the 20th century that came along with some things that were pretty heinous, right? We've lost a lot, but we've also gained something. And the thing that we've gained is we haven't had consensus for a single war since the internet sort of went online. And we did previously, or enough of the consensus to get us into some pretty gnarly situations that, you know, looking back, I certainly think,

I think many people think we really had no business being in. And there are any number of things that, any number of points where you don't want consensus on something. So the really crazy things, you want people to be disagreeing and sharing different opinions. But then when it comes to the really basic things, it would be nice if we could reach consensus on the obvious stuff. For example, math is not racist and we need roads to be open. And if a grocery store is being robbed blind, it's not because of systemic white supremacy and capitalism. It's because someone is robbing a lot of stuff and they need to be put in jail. And those are the things, you know, yeah, where we've lost consensus completely. There are no more hall monitors on the major platforms, certainly not Twitter, at least, who are policing a uniform narrative. uniform narrative. And in that new vacuum, where now you have both the internet at scale and no more institution of social media censorship, or at least political censorship on X, we're seeing an opportunity for people to get a lot of attention to achieve weird little actions

in a way that they've never had before, but no unifying movement yet, I think. I don't know. Maybe one of these things could grow into something bigger, but for now, it does feel like it feels pretty chaotic and like anyone's game, which is driving people to do very crazy things. This is why I wrote about the Ackman thing specifically. You now see both, you have opportunity on the right to take out someone like Claudine Gay, who is this powerful DEI bureaucrat. But then you have a backlash like we've never seen. Or maybe we've seen it, but it's an immediate backlash. It is from the press and it is coming for his wife. It's a nasty fight in both directions. And that's because everybody's actually capable of doing a lot now. It's chaotic, but you can do stuff. You can build new things. You can get a lot of eyeballs really quick. Companies like Pirate Wire exists. That never would have happened 30 years ago. Because who has time to build an actual newspaper situation, deal with distribution

and stuff? No no i'm just going to publish it and send it out and if people like it they like it and they do thank you guys for your support um anyone else thoughts on the operating collapse well i think that like i i mean it's reached like a nationwide level now but i think that for my whole life like growing up evangelical there was no like shared consensus reality between like my family and like the rest of the country and you don't realize that growing up but like it was true like every you know there are separate like evangelical radio stations and tv stations that like talk about the news but it's like hurricane katrina happens and like oh this is a punishment

from god for like sodomy or you know or you know things that are happening in the middle east are like because of the book of revelation that sort of thing there's a lot of people who in a sense i think like everybody's kind of become like an evangelical now where you're living in your own sort of world where you're like seeing these major events happen but like the way that you're processing them is uh just completely unique to you and like whatever yeah and you're like social while you're subscribed to yeah right and like you can't even really see it from from another perspective like you can't conceive that like i don't know the war in iraq has like actual like you know material history and like i don't know the war in iraq has like actual like

you know material history and like pushes and pulls and things to do with like economics and like um you know the history of uh nasaism or whatever and like that it's not actually just something from the book of revelation um and the same thing with like crime and white supremacy or whatever for the last now i think because it's separate from anybody being able to speak or related to anybody being able to speak online came a new um tidal wave of information we've never had so much information before there's so much there's more information is i feel like being minted every day online in terms of pieces, tweets, clips, whatever, than probably existed in whole decades before the internet. That is going to mean that for whatever belief you have, not only are there other people you can find who have that belief, but you will be able to find, quote, anything that you that you think is true and so you really can

just construct like your entire reality online based on you know citations and sources and even when people talk about this or that study like i i every there's not a debate on any health topic where both sides are not throwing studies at each other and um that is partly the study it's partly a failure to sort of understand what studies are and the scale of studies. And it's, I think, mostly people writing about studies and creating really just entirely like false frames on everything that's reported. And so that is just, yeah, I mean, that is the world that we live in now. It is one of total information chaos. Also, content creators can monetize.

That's a content creation opportunity there, right? So if every tribe online or whatever you want to call it needs content to fill their universe, right? Like if they need evidence for their beliefs, that's an opportunity and that's actually happening. One of the things that I'm thinking about now is that, I don't know if you guys saw this, but a mainstream publication did an analysis of, it was a teen's journey on TikTok. And it was specifically focused on the frequency of, I think, war footage,

like sort of grisly war footage that showed up in their feed. You see that once the teen starts showing interest in war footage, it's like first every fifth video is war footage, and then you start seeing every video after 20 videos is war footage. And again, that brings me back to algorithms are really entrenching us into this situation. And if you combine that with the fact that now content creators can monetize, which isn't a bad thing, it's just what we're paying people to add fuel to all of this. And it's a really interesting and crazy situation. We had an interview, really a conversation with Ben Smith early on in our podcast, in the Pyrowire's history.

It was me, Ben, and Camille. And we talked about a lot of this. This is a problem that I've certainly written about for three years since Pyrewire's existed. This is a topic I'm super interested in. I think that that's going to continue. It will just get, and I think it will get worse. I think it can only get worse. And the alternative is monopoly. It's either it's speech policing and the monopolization

of a single perspective. And it's like, it's just as bad, right? But with different bad things, there are different negative externalities there. So I do think that the chaotic information landscape is safer for us, but we need responsible parties within that landscape to be curating information and acting in a manner that is noble, you know, like really trying their best to weigh the facts and tell the story. And then for us, I mean, I think, I think there's no, I don't believe in unbiased. I think that we're clearly biased and that's fine. You have to own your bias and say like, this is what I believe and this is why I believe it. And people need to kind of know that. None of this, no more of the 20th century, I have no belief side, merely am the truth. I don't know that I'm a Walter Cronkite guy. I like this side of things better, but we have a lot of work to do on the curation side

and just in building these channels that can be more respected and kind of amplifying them and whatnot. And I think that we all need to be talking about this more because once it normalizes, people are on the same page, like that is the high level problem and we need to find these new sources.

I think that'll be a healthier world for all of us. I think that was a good place to end. Yeah. You guys, it has been real as always. Definitely be sure to back up and check out that Peterson interview. If you haven't, check out our pieces this week at piratewires.com. Subscribe, share this with your friends, leave a comment. It helps on the algorithm side. It really does. And thank you guys as ever for tuning in. See you next Friday.