Pirate Wires - Kamala Struggles on Fox, Elon & SpaceX Landing Rockets, Migrant Crime, Columbus Day & Pirate Idol

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

EPISODE #74: As the polls continue to shift towards a Trump victory, the Kamala campaign decided to take more chances in the media. Unfortunately, Kamala’s interview with Fox News did not go as well as she had hoped. We take a look at the remaining weeks of the campaign and what the betting markets are telling us. Will Trump or Kamala go on the Joe Rogan podcast? Elon & SpaceX continue to inspire the country by completing once impossible missions, while California tries to remove them for political reasons. The FBI changes crime data and Venezuelan migrants are causing an uptick in crime in cities. Finally, The last quarterfinal of Pirate Idol. Columbus Day? Or Indigenous Peoples Day? Our political parties are now celebrating different holidays on the same day. Featuring Mike Solana, Brandon Gorrell, Riley Nork, Matt Marlinski We have partnered with Polymarket! Download the Polymarket: Election Forecast app https://apps.apple.com/us/app/polymarket-election-forecast/id6648798962 - Disclaimer: Not Financial Advice, For Entertainment Purposes Only. Sign Up For The Pirate Wires Daily!  https://get.piratewires.com/pw/daily https://piratewires.co/free_newsletter Topics Discussed: Pirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWires Mike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolana Brandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrell Riley Twitter: https://x.com/rylzdigital Matt Twitter: https://x.com/mattmarlinski TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Welcome Back To The Pod! 1:30 - Trump Is Rising In The Polls & Betting Markets 3:00 - Kamala Harris’ Interview With Bret Baier Did Not Go Well.. - Is It Over For Her? 19:50 - Chances That Trump Or Kamala Go On Joe Rogan Podcast - Sponsored By Polymarket 28:20 - Elon & SpaceX Lands A New Rocket - The State Of California Reject SpaceX Launches 38:30 - FBI Changes Violent Crime Data - Venezuelan  Migrant Gangs Committing Crimes In Our Cities 46:00 - PIRATE IDOL - Debating Columbus Day vs. Indigenous Peoples Day 1:15:00 - Thanks For Watching - Like & Subscribe #podcast #kamalaharris #technology #politics #culture #elonmusk

I don't even know what a venture capitalist does most of the time. I mean, Trump is going gangbusters in the polls right now. The Kamala interview with Bret Baier on Fox News, highlighting how disastrous some of her answers were. She stood up to him. She's running for president. What do you mean she stood up? Like she's standing up to the bully.

She's running to be the most powerful person in the world. It's hard to know if she even wants this. That's my, that's the vibe I get. It almost perfectly coincides with CharlieXCX tweeting that brat summer is over. Brat season is long over. Coconut season, it maybe was just a mirage the whole time. The trees are barren. The coconut what's up guys welcome back to the pod we are we're talking about the kamala harris interview on fox news obviously we are talking about elon musk grabbing the rocket with giant tweezers and the reaction to that and And also the California government, well, I guess it's like the unelected board, whatever, war on him. Brandon's going to break

that down in a minute. We have our polymarket segment coming up where we're going to talk about the odds that Kamala or Trump appear on Joe Rogan, which very interesting developments there. And also I think a broader read of the culture right now, which I really am looking forward to talking about. And we got our pirate idol. The final quarterfinal is upon us. So sit tight for that. We've got three returning guests, the last three of the round. Very first thing we got to do is, I mean, Trump is going gangbusters in the polls right now.

And also the betting market. I mean, he's edging up in the polls and then the betting markets just have him, especially like you look at Polly, just the stories nonstop online, blowing him out of the water. This morning I saw, I think it was a 62% chance of him winning according to the betting market. So this isn't science and who knows knows but it's a very good indication because people have so much money on the line um because of that there's been a pretty interesting reaction on the kamala side of things which is and it's to me is rational um she has to take some desperate measures two of those measures uh include one a lot of free for black men just promised which we could talk about in a minute uh black men specifically and only like very very let's just like be clear black men only are getting these loans um and number two interviews

everywhere uh so the biggest of them all i would have said, I mean, we talked a little bit about the one that was kind of quasi-stealth edited last week. But the Fox News interview with Brett Baier is one of the most important interviews, I think, of the election season so far. Riley, why don't you tell us what happened there? interesting things happening on the campaign trail right now. Polly market showing Trump with 62% odds of winning Kamala, putting out policy proposals geared towards black men. One of those proposals, including legalizing recreational marijuana to quote create opportunities for black Americans to succeed in this new industry, which as I wrote in the daily sounded pretty fricking racist to me. Other interesting developments

though, Tim Waltz really, uh, trying to play up his folksy appeal, uh, by saying he doesn't know what a venture capitalist does. So I guess the constitution and venture capital to pretty foreign areas to Tim walls. Um, but really notable was like you mentioned the Kamala interviewer interview with Brett Bayer on Fox news, um, which just absolutely made waves on X, with many on the right, and even just like across the board, highlighting how disastrous some of her answers were, including on questions about Joe Biden's health, the border, whether or not the country was on the right or wrong track. Although I do have to point out that Kamala did have a few defenders including my favorite Mark

Cuban who described that interview as Kamala quote standing up to Brett Baier with force and never backing down so yeah what do you guys think was that a sign of standing for Kamala she stood up to him she's running for president what do you mean she stood up like she's standing up to the bully she's the most she's she's already the VP she's running for president what do you mean she stood up like she's standing up to the bully she's the most she's she's already the vp she's running to be the most powerful person in the world and we have to like coddle her feelings and be like she did a good job fighting back against the bad reporter um i i give her props i think that um the truth is trump has not to the best of my knowledge done in an interview with MSNBC, has he? I mean, he went in front of the Black Association of Journalists and got grilled for-

Okay, that he did do. Definitely done hostile interviews. That was a wild one. But he's not out there talking to Rachel Maddow. I guess Rachel Maddow is also on a very different level than- Brett's a real journalist. Rachel's a talking head. But I give her some credit for going to such a hostile place i mean fox just turn it on i mean it's like 24 7 kamala sucks channel so there is some credit due

there to go in and face them but she was not prepared and i'm not gonna buy i just this whole it wasn't just cuban you saw this reaction. I went on threats for that pure shit. And what I saw was really, I think a group of people looking at someone who they support handling, not a hostile, but just a very hard interview with someone who's not completely bought in on the propaganda for the first time ever. They'd never seen Kamala in a situation like that. Whereas people on the right see Trump in situations like that all the time, not on MSNBC, the true as far left as you can go, but he's getting hostile or difficult interviews constantly. It's sort of what he famously is, is getting attacked by the media and fighting back and saying fake news. It's been part of his identity. So they were shocked and they were bothered, but we did learn a lot.

So I have notes here because I started watching and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. I almost don't want to go too hard because she seems nice. And I want to encourage this kind of thing, going out and doing the interviews. I when pete budaj goes on fox i think he does really well typically i i would like to see trump do more really really difficult interviews with the left but i think it was just really a disaster um so she let's see uh immediately she's asked about immigration she brings up the fact that she had a bill that they tried to pass you know within hours of um inauguration the first bill practically within hours of taking the oath was a bill to fix our immigration system yes ma'am it was called the u.s citizen citizenship act of 2021 it was essentially a pathway to citizenship. May I finish responding, please?

But you have to let me finish. You had the White House and the House and the Senate, and they didn't bring up that bill. I'm in the middle of responding to the point you're raising, and I'd like to finish. Yes, ma'am. We recognized from day one that to the point of this being your first question it is a priority and the bill she's talking about was like mass amnesty for over 10 million illegal aliens right that was her solution to the border uh she defended the sex change operations for prisoners thing where um defending maybe is the wrong word she was just like i I will follow the law. She refused to say she wouldn't do it anymore. She did say my presidency will not be a continuation

of Joe Biden's presidency. So Brett asked her specifically about the comments she made on The View where she said she wouldn't change anything, which is wild because they're running as a change. She's running as a change candidate. You have Tim Waltz up on stage saying, we can't handle four more years of this, referring to Biden's presidency. And she's saying she wouldn't change anything and that she was responsible for every major decision. But here she was saying, it's not going to be a direct continuation. It's going to be a little

more bipartisan. I'm going to work with Republicans. For me, the highlight, a lot of people are focusing on the immigration stuff and i understand why because it was just such a disaster for her she had no really no way to defend herself and what they did and when the questions were framed to her and her response it's like she had not even thought about how to answer it at all it just looked really damning it It looked like, wow, we're for sure going to have open borders forever if she is the president. But for me, really the most interesting part of the whole interview was when she was asked about President

Biden's senility. Brett Baier was like, when did you realize that he was mentally impaired? Which is a crazy question to ask her and something that is so important to ask her because she has been working with him for years telling us that this man is mentally okay which okay whatever she's lying um all politicians lie that's not so so scandalous um i mean it's terrible maybe it should be more scandalous than it is but i'm used to these people lying to get whatever they want, which is power. Joe Biden, I have watched from the Oval Office to the Situation Room, and he has the judgment and the experience

to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the American people. There were no concerns raised? Joe Biden is not on the ballot i understand donald trump donald trump but you talked about it and donald cluny said within a few minutes of talking to president biden at a fundraiser that he thought this was not the same joe biden that we saw on the debate stage is on the ballot i understand what's crazy in this situation is she then used his senility all the democrats did as a reason

to switch her in as president with no election which we've never seen in my lifetime we've never seen a primary circumvented like that before so that's a huge deal and the only way that you make that work is if you're actually saying like this man is impaired and you're she's basically just i mean you're trying to have it both ways right now and it's like if you're being switched in for this reason um when did you know that he was so bad and why didn't you do anything about it and um she was stumped man she had nothing she could say to that i thought that that was yeah that was for me the moment um there were you know some other good things in there i'm scrolling through my notes uh there was the january 6th thing which maybe we talk about in a second which i um people are

saying that trump's threatening to use the military against people who vote against him or something now it's this is i saw this new york times op-ed to this effect it's now a democratic talking point it's total bullshit um there's the iran question which I didn't really care about. And then there's the idea that Brett wouldn't let her speak, which I am of two minds on. It's like, I did want her to speak. But also, she was just giving talking points, and I really wanted answers to some of these questions. But also she was just giving talking points. And I really wanted answers to some of these questions. I really want to know when her mind changed on the border. I really want to know what it was that made her change her mind on the border and what she would do with these policies if she had to do it over again. I want to know those things so I can make a decision about this woman.

And I really want to know about the Biden stuff. But all in all, yeah, total disaster. Democrats, of course, calling it either a victory for them or this horrible attack from Fox News. She went on Fox News. She knew it was going to happen. She wasn't prepared. And I would say that's it. She's cooked, but who knows? Riley, what did you think? Well, did you watch it? Did you watch the whole thing? Yeah. And I sort of agree with you on the topic of Brett Bay's sort of talking over her. It's sort of just reaffirmed for me that like the podcast format is just so much better than these like quick hit cable interviews. Like I saw Brett Bayer saying after the fact that like right from the jump, Kamala's team was trying to wrap things up. Basically, like you can't get down to any sort of substance in that sort of like tightly compressed environment.

And so like, yes, Kamala's answers were pretty bad and showed that she hasn't been tested like you mentioned. But there were times when it did sort of like just get into like shouting match territory. And I think that in a long form, you know, format, like a podcast with a host that isn't like the call her daddy host, Kamala's weaknesses will actually be just be highlighted even further. So yeah, I definitely would have liked this to be two hours and not like 20 minutes. I agree. uh kamala's weaknesses will actually be just be highlighted even further so yeah i definitely

would have liked this to be two hours and not like 20 minutes i agree like if you just you got a letter get through the talking points maybe that's the way that you do it and you just need more time for that which is not a big ask for someone running for president and it's it's really um it's sad what i think it's actually we're we can talk about this in a moment i want to hear you know all brandon's thoughts as well and we have more discussed on this topic before we move on to polly but it's i actually think it's better now than it was eight years ago um but yeah i think it's like you need more time and it's not just like oh because i want to hear her talk about more things it's like you need more time because you you actually have to bleed these candidates of all of their bullshit and once their bullshit is out it's like they have nothing left to do

but talk to you like a human and then it's very simple it's like tell me about cash and release you know tell me about the uh the uh covet era restrictions that you removed. Tell me about your plan moving forward for what you want the immigration system to be. You say it's broken. How do you plan to fix it, really? How many people should be coming in? Should it be a lottery system? Should we be letting in more engineers or something? Tell me something that's going on in that ahead of yours. Brandon. Yeah, I wonder why she doesn't do that. Like she's had months to come up with a policy positions on these issues. Her staff could be doing that. She could memorize them and just say them in an interview. So I didn't watch the interview. I kind of feel for her.

Yeah, I did too. Being a presidential candidate or a politician has to be so stressful. I mean, just imagine going up against Brett Bayer or whoever, who are just like professional interviewers. They're very tricky. They're very clever. And I'm not totally convinced that that type of format is it, that it really gives much like, like being good at interviews like that. I don't know. I think it's good for a president to have that skill, but I don't know that it really gives much like like being good at interviews like that i don't know i think it's good for a president to have that skill but i don't know that it's like the core competency you need to be a good president i agree so i would kind of just echo riley's point i think the podcast format is a little bit better because um even with somebody like rogan who's like

generally a very empathetic individual he he um i feel like he he sort of what's the word like engenders himself is that the right word to the guest um he's very likable and he kind of like he goes along with what they're saying and he pulls stuff out of the guest and i think um at very least, I think you do want a candidate who can give its constituents confidence that they actually have a plan and that they're relatively competent and that their plan is a sort of competent way to attack the issues that its constituents are worried about. But I don't know that the Fox News interview format and all of those types of formats are the best way to go about illustrating

that. I think that she, I agree with that. I think that there could be something, like she had time to say something. It was 30 minutes. There was time to say something. And the real thing that she needs to do is throw... It's time to throw Biden under the bus. And she's not doing that. She is trying to say that she's a different president, but she's refusing to criticize Biden for any reason. I don't understand that at this point. I don't know. I mean, she's pivoted to the right. She's talking about how she owns a Glock. She is super... She's like, I prosecuted people at the border or whatever you know she's mrs border police person now deport them i mean i don't think she's actually said anything about deportation yet

um but but she's generally speaking like a she's made this massive pivot why not say um ignore everything i said in 2019 i had my had my eyes opened over the last four years watching what happened to this country. We made a lot of mistakes that I would not have made had I been president and I won't make now. I love Joe. His heart was in the right place. I think it was from where he started, I could understand why he made that decision. It was proven to be incorrect. We should have never done X, Y, and Z, or he should have never done X, Y, and Z. What I will do moving forward is this other thing over here. And she just doesn't, I think she's very afraid to offend anybody right now because she's losing. And when you're losing, it's like, you don't want to lose your base. You don't want to

lose the support of the party. I think she doesn't know what to do. And when you say that you feel bad for her, I feel that way too. I don't think that she really wants this i think that um i i heard i read some rumor that like she has insomnia right now she like she can't she's just having a really hard time sleeping and that was the first time i had like empathy i was like oh yeah like because i wouldn't be able to i would be a nervous wreck if i was running for president and I was getting criticized, you know, just constantly. And again, she's put herself in this position. So, of course, that's an important thing to keep in mind. before on the podcast she talks about she wants to own a little restaurant where they just make i think one dish and they just serve a certain amount of them and then once they're done with them they're done for the day and it's like such a northern california dream like she's in napa and she's she's you know she's uh represented northern california forever in san francisco

um and i can i know the van that like the vision that she's i I can see it. I want to go there. I want to go to that restaurant. I want for her and for me, I want this dream to happen for her. I think she'd be great at it. She told us what she wanted and was not running for the presidency. This happened to her. I wonder had there been an open primary season earlier. I wonder if she would have even have run i really do because it it does not it just does not seem like her heart is in it and um

yeah i have that feeling as well i i don't it's hard to know if she even wants this that that's my that's the vibe i get it's like other people want it for her so badly and i understand that too which is where my empathy comes in really like the idea that um you know the crowd is begging you to do something she's all these democrats who think donald trump is hitler and they're like please save us and you have these people like really begging you to do this and you know she they needed the money that she was already on the ticket so she was able to use the money that was raised and there were all these common sense reasons why it made sense that it just had to be her from a Democratic perspective. But no one ever asked her, like, Kamala, baby, do you want this?

Her husband never did that. Do you think that's the main reason, the money? Because aren't there these rumors that Obama never wanted Kamala and wanted maybe to do an open primary? Yeah, there are. So I actually don't know. Maybe I'm just projecting. Maybe if I were an politician, I wouldn't want it. And I would want that restaurant.

Maybe that's what I want now. I'm like over this. Moving on to our Polymarket segment with our great partner, Polymarket. Thank you guys for helping us do what we do over here, which is shit talk and explore the news. I want to talk about this podcast stuff. With less than three weeks to election day, Polymarket is showing a 73% chance of Trump and a 33% chance of Kamala

Harris appearing on Joe Rogan's podcast before the election. Rogan has previously only featured long shot candidates like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Bernie Sanders, and Andrew Yang. Either interview would be Rogan's most consequential political episode yet. But if you ignore Rogan himself and think about the power of a podcast like this in general, Kamala's been on Call Her Daddy, Trump going on Flagrant, Rogan coming up, this is sort of like the podcast election. We've never seen so much importance ascribed, I think correctly, to these alternative media entities. Call her daddy. I think it was silly when the right wing went after her, which I think Riley, you pointed out very astutely. It was meaningful for her to go on there and it did make sense for her to go on there

to reach all of these people. And it will make sense if they go on on rogan i think what you're really seeing here is just a kind of acquiescence to the new media norms of our country which we haven't seen before we haven't seen anybody sort of acknowledge any major candidate are both major candidates in election acknowledge that this is what we are doing now. So, oh, right. Trump was on the all-in pod. We've seen this, all this election. It's a huge deal. What did you guys make of the trend? Or do you make of the trend? It's a really interesting pivot, I think, on the left, because I remember when Bernie Sanders was sort of like playing up Rogan support. I think this was in like the 2020 primary. And he just got like eviscerated on the left because people were like, Rogan is sexist. Rogan's an anti-vaxxer.

You know, how dare you? And now that Kamala is like way underwater with male voters, they're singing a completely different tune. And I just think that's a really interesting pivot because she's so struggling with that demographic. It's not just the Rogan thing of it. It's like Sanders was this outsider kind of fringe countercultural candidate. So him going on a podcast, let's remove Rogan from it. It would have been not as crazy. This is a centrist. Well, she's running as a centrist Democrat. She's certainly the machine Democrat. The machine democrat owns the institutions they own the media they shouldn't need this right so if they're reaching in in for rogan that says to me that they feel like they need it

they need not just rogan but they need they need uh the like the podcast audience yeah i mean i guess the question is what she's what is she going to say on joe rogan that's any different than what she said in her media appearances and other podcasts well i'm sure they'll talk about works yeah maybe they'll talk about well so you guys think she's gonna get do you think she'll go on do you think she'll go on the show on rogan i think things she's got to do something sorry riley was that i i think things would have to get like pretty desperate because because even though I don't think people would come at her the same way they came at Bernie for going on Rogan, I still think there might be some pushback on Rogan himself. And so I think in order to avoid that,

she might only go on if things are really, really looking dicey for her. But yeah, I guess we'll see. I'm just imagining her with him now, and you know he's going to be like, so this, so this like trans prisoner thing, you really think that you really think that she'd be like boilerplate answer? Like, but come on, just, just say it was crazy. Can't you just say it was crazy? You don't believe it anymore.

You never did. Like, can you just say that? And then she has a boilerplate answer and then he does it again, you and it's like you got to say something maybe she does i don't know i don't know i don't think she will do it i think she should do it i think she needs to hail mary i think that she needs to she needs to connect with people not just men and not just people who are not her supporters now but her supporters i don't think i don't the joy you riley i've been noticing this thing that we do when we're working on the um on the daily you're still using coconut uh i used to call her a little coconut and i haven't felt the desire to it doesn't feel right anymore for me so like when i'm writing it i don't i've dropped that because it just the

it doesn't resonate the way that it did you know two months ago for me where it really felt like that was a great nickname it did evoke so much of what she represented and like how she was meeting the press and the world it's not a joyful it is no longer the joy is brat season is long over coconut season it maybe was just a mirage the whole time uh the trees are barren the coconut water is we are out um and now people are looking for steak and she does know how to cook it but i don't see any in the fridge and that is what we are looking for now and because people on her team don't see that i think think that they're getting demoralized. I think that they are really feeling like they're going to lose. And so she needs to make them happy. She needs

to give them something really exciting or this is over, I think. Because the Trump people, they're voting for him. They're going in and they're not going to sit home on election day. She needs people to be as excited as they are. If I was Kamala, I would stop immediately doing any hardball interviews or any, uh, and I would not do the Rogan interview. I would pivot to lifestyle propaganda. Um, I would, I would just get, you know, segments where, uh where a very friendly interviewer is following me while I cook a nice meal for my husband, wine tasting, things like this. I think she can connect with – I like that aspect of her personality. She seems like a super chill lady to hang out with, and she's fun. I think that's her best shot.

I think she's cooked on policy because she doesn't have it and she doesn't she seems not very competent frankly in policy um and every time she talks about policy she contradicts herself or says something really incoherent well you know she just doesn't care she clearly doesn't care because she's changed i've never i was thinking about this the other day we've we have never seen a presidential candidate who has changed their position so much on things. I mean, a wide range now of the sort of the border, the economy, law and order, the second amendment. Like this is a woman who is pro buybacks, mandatory buybacks. Now talking about her glock and like

giggling about it on screen which is great like she actually that interview was a great moment for her um but it's like she doesn't care she cares about winning and that's like there are different kinds of politicians there are two really there's the ideological creature and there is the administer the sort of state like the california model of a politician california model which is what kamala is which is like you just do what you have to do to win and then you hold power and i don't even know why they want it other than that's a whole other question but give this woman a pot and let her make some fucking braised lamb shanks and talk about whatever like i really do think she would just everything would change

if she was casually imagine her casually like stirring a pot of food being not focused on you but the food talking about like nuclear disarmament or something i am so engaged right now in this fantasy give it to me give it to me riley you were about to say something about charlie xcx oh i was just it was on the topic of you saying the coconut thing in decline. It almost perfectly coincides with Charlie XCX tweeting that Brat Summer is over. So it'd be really interesting to see the poll since she tweeted that. I wonder why she said that too. That was weird where she was like, fuck it.

I'm popping this bubble. I'm not, I am not going down with this sinking ship this woman promised me this woman promised me some kind of like well what did she promise i mean it was all an illusion it was all just people projecting their own shit onto her again i feel bad for kamala poor kamala poor sad kamala sorry kamala we're moving on elon musk uh we had quite the show over the weekend brandon why don't you break it down both the launch would be interesting to hear about and also uh what's going on in california on so october 13th spacex launched its starship vehicle for the fifth time and when the second stage the sorry, the first stage, the booster, returned back to the Earth, it was caught by what Elon calls a Mechazilla. So, basically, like these two chopstick-like arms caught the booster in midair.

And it was the very first time they tried it. It was the very first time anybody has ever tried it with a rocket of this size in history. And it was the very first time they tried it. It was the very first time anybody has ever tried it with a rocket of this size in history, and it was successful. The Starship itself flew way past the Kármán line, so it made it to space, came back down, successful reentry, dropped into the ocean close to a prepositioned buoy.

So basically, the fifth Starship was like a massive, massive success. People were excited about it. It was cool to watch how many people were stoked about this. I think this one takes a little bit of imagination. You need to understand that this is like going to Mars. That's why this is important. And under a possible Trump administration, we could talk about that in a bit.

I think it might happen. Trump's all about these big, symbolic gestures and things. And if he could get, if he, if Trump could get some people to Mars, you know, that he's going to try and do that.

Like that is just, I think the way. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's kind of worth going over like, why would you catch a rocket too? Yeah.

And the reason is because of the, the reusability, uh, situation reusability becomes way, way, way faster. So normally, um, when you, when you land a rocket, let's say on like a drone ship in the ocean, or, um, you, you land it with legs on the ground, it takes between, uh, two to four weeks to get that booster ready again for another launch. So you've got to inspect it. And it takes multiple weeks sometimes to move these boosters back to another launch pad. And what SpaceX wants to do is they want to catch the booster, refuel it, add payload and launch it from the same thing that they caught it from.

So this would take it from, this would take like turnaround time from, you know, two weeks to two hours, right? So this is actually a very important step in the reusability issue of the rocket, which ultimately means that we get more payload into orbit faster. And then we get obviously a base on Mars quicker, the more payload we can get up quicker. It also, I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson talking a bit about how Elon and SpaceX haven't done anything that NASA hasn't done. And I don't, even before this weekend, that wasn't true. They've massively reduced the cost of launch, which has enabled something like Starlink, which is when you decrease the cost of launch, which has enabled something like Starlink, which is when

you decrease the cost of launch, you can increase the number of things orbiting the earth. And now you have this massive constellation of satellites that is going to connect the whole world to the internet. And that wasn't possible economically before they did this. It's weird to me how much they want to discredit what is this unambiguous good in the world. I don't know how they can't compartmentalize these things either because I don't have a problem with that. Clearly, we were just talking about Kamala's... We are even in the embodiment of an actual political creature, it is possible to say, I like these things about them and like, I like these things about them. And I don't like these things about them. But they can't even do this about a man who's

not running for office. He is a private citizen who is now increasingly politically, I mean, he's campaigning for Trump now. But it's just shocking to me that someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson, who ostensibly cares about these things, can't get behind them. What is going on in California? Yeah. So the California Coastal Commission recently rejected a Space Force slash Air Force application to increase its launches from the Vandenberg Space Force base from 36 launches to 50 launches per year. The Space Force exclusively uses SpaceX first launches. So this was basically an application to increase the number of SpaceX launches from 36 launches a year to 50 launches a year. Now I was looking into the issue and it's funny in a way. And you

kind of have to know a few things before understanding why they actually, what happened when they blocked it. So first off, like the Coastal Commission was established in the 70s. And it has basically total regulatory control over land use and public access along 100% of California's coastline. So their jurisdiction extends from like 3,000 feet to five miles inland, right? So they control anything that can happen there. Now, yeah, pretty crazy, right? Now, an important distinction

for this specific hearing that they had is that the commission treats quote-unquote federal agency activity differently from other activities. And basically they are they are more flexible with federal activity than they are with private activity. core of the commission's argument came down to their rejection of the distinction between spacex and uh the air force they basically argued that that these launches this increased number of launches actually is private activity and it's not actually federal activity because SpaceX is involved. And because they say SpaceX benefits more than the air force, essentially.

So that is, that's the argument. I think it's a pretty crappy one. Um, and so they voted six to four to not increase the number of launches from 36 to 50. And yesterday, I think Wednesday,

uh, Musk filed a lawsuit against the commission because during the meeting that they had during the hearing where they rejected the application, some of the commissioners basically cited Musk's politics during a relatively heated conversation. One of the commissioners said Musk has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race. Another one said another one criticized Musk for spewing and tweeting political falsehoods and attacking FEMA. So that's what's going on with the commission and with SpaceX. I have. How are they appointed? Are they appointed these people? So, yeah. So it's a 12 commissioners, a few hundred staff. And with SpaceX. How are they appointed? Are they appointed, these people?

So, yeah. So, there's 12 commissioners, a few hundred staff. Six of the commissioners are appointed. One of them is appointed by Newsom. A few others are appointed by various departments. And the other six are elected by their members of the public. They're elected? Yeah. I lived in California for so long.

I never remember seeing any. How long are the terms? I i don't know i don't know how long the terms are i mean it's kind of like an most of the members are the ones that are most outspoken are like 55 year old wine drinking moms it's it's kind of funny and they clearly all have trump derangement or sorry elon derangement syndrome i've looked into some of their tweets and uh did you anything notable worth mentioning so one of the one of the commissioners gretchen newsom who's not related to to gavin newsom i think she's actually the executive uh chair or something like that one of the top ones in the commission she she had to criticize i believe elon for spewing misinformation in that hearing. But I did notice that she tweeted when the Project 2025 stuff was going around,

she tweeted that this is Trump's plan and Trump owns Project 2025. So she's not totally immune from also spreading misinformation, quite frankly, but it's kind of just standard TDS. Yeah. It seems pretty obviously another case of a mostly unelected group of people in government punishing their political enemies. And they're also punishing the government right now. They're disallowing the government. So what the Space Force uses Starlink is, I think it's like for his like spy shit like they they go up there and they send a bunch of stuff and it enables us to communicate uh in our operations around the globe and probably monitor our geopolitical enemies and um this commission is actually blocking them from

from increasing our capabilities in those areas this reminds me of the immigration situation and we're going to talk about that now these people have too much power you should not be able to just thwart the will of the federal government on an issue of national security and this is one of them in the case of of the launches and even if it wasn't, if it was like just our economic prosperity, we need these launches to happen or something like there are a lot of cases you can make. If the federal government wants it to happen, it just needs to happen. And I think there is a lot of room for states rights type stuff, but only in so far as it doesn't hurt the rest of the country.

Like it cannot actually, It cannot hurt Americans. I should not have to feel the weight of your decision in Florida if you make some crazy decision in California. And right now that seems to be the case. And that is especially the case, maybe nowhere else is it more the case than in immigration. Riley, crime is up. This is a multifaceted story. We're going to get to trend on argo in a second our new friends our new neighbors from venezuela thank you kamala and joe um we'll talk about crime first and the way the fbi manipulated the data that was a crazy story yeah sure thing so in the realm of america drifting closer to the purge so in the first uh this story before we get to the trend de aragua

real clear investigations did an expose where they were able to determine that the fbi had like stealth edited crime data from 2022 to reflect that the rate of violent crime was actually much higher than it actually was so last september the fbi came out with their supposed final crime data from 2022, showing that the rate of violent crime was down 2.1%. USA Today, and I would assume other outlets ran headlines based on that data saying violent crime was down in America. Turns out a little over three weeks ago, I guess, the FBI had actually revised those numbers in a massive way, now stating that the rate of violent crime had increased 4.5% in 2022, which is not like an accounting error. It's a huge swing. And they made no announcement of it, I guess, just like a little footnote on their website saying this is what accounted for it. But a crazy six point swing that they just didn't announce you know there's something

about being gaslit for so long where i mean that's really what's happening here is you look around and you're you think and i think i mean my gut is things are better now than they were in 2022 and 2021 but um you know i remember for years looking around me like things are better now than they were in 2022 and 2021 but um you know i remember for years looking around being like things are worse things are much worse in in the cities and just being screamed at by these crazy people who insisted that crime was down there's a whole you know crime narrative i guess that comes from the social justice and let's say criminal justice left these are people who believe that criminals are really mistreated in a way that is awful they think it's mostly racially motivated and they think that it's their duty therefore to liberalize the system and i kind

of under well i don't agree with them at all but i i do understand where they're coming from and maybe why they think this is important um i just think that our safety is more important and it's been crazy to watch, not just the crime increase, but our inability to be able to discuss the crime. One of the things that this is linked to now, I mean, on the topic of crime and crime increasing and like just trusting your eyes

is the New York city crime. And specifically, did you, by the way, did you follow the trend story at all? The one in a, do you want to tell us what's going on there? Yeah,

sure thing. So simultaneously, while you have this, you know, the FBI just massively amending their crime data without telling anyone. You have this story that you wrote about in the Daily Solana, where I guess 20 juvenile members of the Trende Aragua gang, so the same gang that took over

the apartment complex in Colorado, I believe, doing the same thing in New York City, this time at a hotel that was reserved for migrants, where they have been committing armed robberies, brandishing knives, and then posting about the crimes on their government-issued phones, which I have to say, I think that part is actually a good

thing that they're actually documenting all the criminality. Because as we know from the other story, we can't really trust the FBI to do that part. So good thing that they are, I guess. It's out of control now. I mean, it's been out of control for a while. The evidence now is in front of us. We should not be paying. We should not be paying. This should not be happening because we should not be paying for

them to be here. It's like one thing to have a de facto open border situation. It's quite another to be actively paying people to live here. You have government funded housing. Let's say, no, no, no. You have taxpayer funded housing. You have taxpayer say no no you have taxpayer funded housing you have taxpayer funded phones you have taxpayer funded food health care education all of that is what you get when you're here so clearly there's an incentive even for regular good people who want to come here and get all that free shit like i understand that if you're coming from a shittier place you want all the good stuff but now also we're doing it for the criminals you have a massive gang roaming the streets robbing people um we need to be able to deport them and the reason that we can't deport them is because new york city is run by people who hate you

it is a sanctuary city a sanctuary city which means they don't have to work with ice at all and that has to we that has to end new york city cannot be making decisions like this because their decisions on immigration have it those people go anywhere. They can leave New York City and hop over to Jersey. And then it's like, my mom lives in that state. You cannot have one small group of crazy people in City Hall in New York City making enormous immigration decisions for 350 million people. That is bananas. That is the reason that our federal government exists like if i can't even what even is a is a nation without a border like that is maybe you have to even have a border before you can talk about national defense because what are you defending if not if not a border

like you the government in a sense is the border they They are responsible for this. And these people need to lose quite a bit of power in the States in stuff like this and in stuff like to a lesser degree, but a still significant degree, the Elon Musk stuff. The federal government has to be making this decision. It has to be empowered to make this decision. I mean, to abolish these sanctuary city laws, we need to drive all of these people out of politics, but at the very least, if we abolish the sanctuary city laws at the federal level, then we will have the ability to deport these criminals, which is what has to happen. Not just them also, by the way. These are juveniles, which means they have parents who are allowing this. That is not the kind of parent that we need in the country.

It's like, they all have to go. They really like all, all, all, all need to go. I wonder what explains the fact that there are gangs coming here from south of the border. That's not a, that's not a that's not you know you don't it's hard to imagine gangs fleeing their own country because that's where the turf is you know like our our cartels sending gangs up into the states to establish you know drug trafficking networks?

Like what is, it's strange to hear that there's, you know, full-on gangs are being imported into the states. It seems pretty alarming and hard to understand. In the case of Tren in New York City, a lot of it is happening recently. Like they weren't even gangs because they're juveniles, right? Like they're recruiting and the gangs are growing. So maybe there was some of that that came over for whatever reason and then it's just been growing while here and i just don't want to have to worry about it i don't have to think about it and i would like you know the people who have been elected to take care of it to take care of it and

that begins with getting rid of these sanctuary city laws again because i shouldn't have to i shouldn't have to worry about what's who's coming in and staying in my country because a very small minority of crazy people really want them to be here. I'm sorry. That's just not how we're going to do it. Um, what we have to get to is the final quarterfinal of pirate idol hit it so welcome back to the greatest show on the internet and the last quarterfinal round the final quarterfinal round so next week we begin the uh we begin the semifinals and then we take a break

off for hereticon and then we're back with the semifinals but this is the last one it is a great group we've got kevin olivia Olivia, and Andrew back in the chat. A great topic, which I have. I mean, I know this is about you guys to a certain extent, but I mean, they're always a little bit about me. Can I help myself? And I have a lot of thoughts on this one. We got to talk about Columbus Day.

Riley, break the story down for us. Sure thing, folks. So this past Monday was a holiday, but which holiday it was depends largely on who you ask. Proud Italian American Andrew Cuomo joined most Republicans in honoring Columbus Day, while Democrats instead opted for Indigenous People's Day, with Kamala Harris stating on the campaign trail while commemorating the occasion, European explorers ushered in a wave of devastation violence stealing land and widespread disease hey did you follow this

story at all while it was happening a little bit a little bit what do you think uh okay so first of all did you before we even start did you celebrate columbus day or indigenous people's day or neither i mean who knows that might be one of your takes i I bet it is. Well, I didn't have a big backyard barbecue, but I'm definitely on the Columbus Day side. So I have got another schizo take for you guys this time. Okay. Have you heard the name Yuri Bejmanov? That sounds familiar. that sounds familiar what kevin has okay so yuri bejmanov was a former kgb agent oh yeah that sat down yep in 1984 for a tv interview and uh he described this strategy by the soviet union of uh you know ideological subversion of the United States. And it consisted of four stages, right?

So demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization. And this is pretty clearly part of the demoralization stage. I don't know, if you look at current events, we're pretty advanced through all these stages, as a matter of fact. But this is definitely part of demoralization. And the demoralization stage consisted of undermining the society's moral and ideological framework. framework. And the way you do this is you would capture the educational, the media, and the cultural institutions and inject ideologies that cause people to, you know, sort of lose their mooring to traditional values and stuff like that. And, you know, and stuff like that um and you know one uh result of this of course is going to be societal division um as you can see right i mean we have one half of the country that celebrates columbus day and

another half that celebrates indigenous people's day but like i want to back up a little bit like who is um i agree it's demoralized i feel demoralized i've been success to whoever is whoever is responsible for the demoralization. But that's my dead hand project are you guys familiar with this so the dead hand project um was an automated nuclear defense system that would activate without any humans if the soviet union was nuked it was designed to launch all of its nukes at america and so um you know they almost ended the entire world and this feels like that sort of like this old soviet strategy perhaps that maybe is still even though the soviet union's gone it's like still a threat it's like still out there but how is it out there what do you tell me describe how it's out there well so i was gonna you know the the way i like to think of it is it's it's like it's a mimetic warfare weapon and they detonated it back in the cold war and it's still exploding now um and uh you know i mean to use another metaphor it's like a sort

of like a virus bomb right i mean you you set this thing off and these things just sort of spread throughout society and throughout, you know, well, you know, just sort of the, I don't know, like the mimetic, like, you know, zeitgeist or whatever. And it doesn't require any tending. It's a fire and forget weapon.

I will add a little context and then I want to get, Olivia, I would love your take, but a little, I noticed that, because I've been following the Columbus Day drama for a while. I'm very keyed in. And the Washington Post just two years ago, I believe it was two years ago, it might have been last year, had a whole Columbus Day spread. It was multiple articles about the oppression of the indigenous americans and how bad columbus was and it was like a feature that they offered and this it was in the

high it was in the it missed all of that that um the indigenous people's day even got started and um or got i said the the federal stamp of approval from, I believe it was Biden, but the it's, it was worse than it seems to me. It seems like this year, more people, maybe this could be just a product of Twitter being run by Elon Musk now.

But what I was seeing was way more support for Columbus day than ever before. And also the mainstreaming of the anti-aztec memes which are speaking of emetics very powerful like very very very matt pull one up um we gotta see one of you they're like here comes the right wing thing mass murdering everybody um not just mass murdering it's a human sacrifice culture river page who used to work at pyrewire's wrote a great piece about this that you should check out matt you can also link that in the bio um but that that's become you know a really evocative meme it's like anytime someone goes after columbus now there's this massive backlash of people who were like

actually he liberated the south americans um you weren't seeing that a couple years ago olivia what's your take wait pause the moon should be a state shirt phenomenal phenomenal choice amazing love it can you do you mind showing people the back really quick because i've been seeing this now this star let's fucking go that's for the moon we did that that was a pirate wires innovation in this in in this sort of internet i don't know arena and now i see that i see it done by other people for other states it's like a it is a meme it is i think it's it's a growing meme and uh and the moon should be a state but that's a topic for another day sorry i cut you off but i was excited um take it take it take it take it from the top no problem yeah so i did i did a lot of research actually about who Columbus was, because I think also what happens is we get this information from the left and people just believe

it at face value. And part of that, I think, is a test to see how many lies they can get away with telling, because this will be useful for them for the future, perhaps. Anyway, so Columbus was an Italian. He grew up in a seafaring family. And he got this idea in his 30s that he could reach Asia by traveling west across the Atlantic instead of traditionally going east. So he spends seven years trying to secure funding for this journey, which is an incredible amount of persistence. for this journey, which is an incredible amount of persistence. He finally secures his Series A from the queen and king of Spain, and they provide him all the ships, all the supplies, all the crew to go.

Within two months, he reaches the Bahamas, which nobody knew that was there. That was not on his maps. And by the way, he had use like celestial navigating and like dead reckoning and all these archaic naval strategies like he was truly a master of his craft and the fact that he didn't die is a miracle in of itself so then he lands which by the way it's like if you you're the only investor in a series a round and then they like million X your return as the investor within two months. So one other side note, too, he secures for himself. He has to claim any lands that he discovers for the country of Spain.

And he gets a small profit of resources. But he also secured the title for himself of Admiral of the Ocean Sea, which is just a sick title. So I give him his props for that. Anyway, he gets there and he has very detailed journals, which are full of thoughtful observations on the people, their way of life. And he has very friendly interactions with the Native Americans. Like, based on how the left acts, you'd think he was this bloodthirsty Indian killer that just wanted to destroy their way of life. But it's not true. He spent time trading with them, learning about their way of life. You know, he was also a Christian missionary. Part of his goal was to convert these people

to his faith, which he held very dear. And so I think it's like when I look at who Columbus was, I'm inspired and I'm motivated. And like that is the beauty of the American spirit, which I don't feel that way celebrating indigenous people to stay. I think the left wants us to feel guilty about that day. And, you know, I also I don't have a lot of remorse for the actions of my ancestors. I didn't do those things. I don't expect my children to- They weren't even most of our ancestors. Like white people generally have inherited the sins of like every group of white people that have ever existed, but like you're super diverse. And like, what were my, well, I'm half Spanish. So I guess probably there were some conquistadors back there.

But generally speaking, like why is a German responsible for what Columbus did? Or like a British person responsible for what Columbus did? I've never understood that. It's like this strange white identity thing that they really, really want us to have. Totally. I just look at Columbus. I'm so inspired. Like he was a man of faith at Columbus. I'm so inspired. He was a man of faith and conviction. He worked so hard. He was a businessman. He was an investor. And I think it's actually

really damaging to take away Columbus Day for the American zeitgeist. Well, I mean, wasn't there some bad stuff? I have not looked into this that deeply because I don't think it actually matters. And I have a take on it in a second. But wasn't there like, there wasn't like sex slavery stuff or the issues with colonialism on one man in Columbus. He didn't actually spend much time in the West Indies. And I think in his journals, you can see that like he saw the potential for Native Americans to be doing labor, like mining silver and gold to be sent back to Spain. I don't think Columbus was personally like rap raping or killing all of these Native Americans to the degree that they would want us to believe. I actually don't. I think that the grievance holidays, I have a problem with. I have a

problem with national holidays that exist to remind you that you're bad. I don't think they're necessary. Don't think we need them. I think we were better without them across the board, like all of them. We get rid of all of the grievance holidays. I think it is important to have a version of history that we tell ourselves, especially kids, that is heroic and good, which is maybe the core conflict here. Separate from the possible Soviet Union mimetic warfare, it's like this difference in opinion on

how we should tell our own story. And it seems the left is very, very obsessed with, um, like the, it's like the, the real story of the three little pigs or something. Like they want to tell the story of the big bad wolf. They want that to be there. Like, where was he coming from?

And, uh, and I think the right generally is like, that doesn't, it doesn't matter. Like, I think the average right winger doesn't think that like, well,

colonialists were perfect. Like there is a lot of problems and a lot of horrible things but also the reality is the aztec empire was probably the most evil empire in the history of the world that we that we have a record of um it's like shit's complicated and we are never going to know what really happened in the past where we have just stories that have been handed down written and passed down and so you have to what you really glean in this perfect really a perfect story this perfect conflict between these two world views and these two ways of looking at america is is a tell into how people think about america today and you know the the left really

thinks that we're terrible and um the world would be better without us and the left really thinks that we're terrible and the world would be better without us. And the right really thinks sort of like the opposite. And there are extreme versions of that that get more and more extreme as you go. I don't care if the version of Columbus that we celebrate is a little bit fake, because I think all history, everything that we get handed down is a little bit fake. And you have to frame it. Everything that we do in the news, every story that we tell

is framed by our own judgments and biases. And like everyone's life, Columbus's life was so long. Every colonial American was like, you have decades and decades that you have to weigh and decide, like what do you emphasize and what do you not?

And when you're leaving things on the cutting room floor, you are always going to be emphasizing something over another thing. And I think that's fine and expected. I would like to just introduce one sort of anti-Columbus Day perspective, which is it's sort of our first, I think it might be the first woke holiday. This was done for Italian Americans, right? This wasn't done because it was like, oh, he's discovered North America. I don't think he actually, he might not even have known that North America existed. I don't, he certainly never went there. He did discover the Americas, but the existence of the day day was i believe it was fdr who created it and he he

did so to as like it's like an identity day which is why italian americans in new york city get so fucking mad about it because it's their day it's like that's the day that they have and um i think the left kind of maybe all all of us lost sight of that because it's so ingrained in the American identity now, is the story of Christopher Columbus. It was like a successful woke, early woke sign off. And we think that's just what it is. We forgot about the origin, but the Italian Americans did not. They were like, no, no, no, no. That is a day for us. And you are taking it away and giving it to another aggrieved minority group. That's, I think, an interesting piece. Kevin, what do you make of this? Or you guys can also push back or whatever. Yeah. I mean, I think, honestly, Columbus, probably equal parts, thumbs up and thumbs down,

probably the same thing with the indigenous Americans. I don't really care one way or another. What I do care about is the United States now and our leadership. So if you go on the Department of Commerce website, there are 11 federally recognized holidays. One of them is Columbus Day. There is no mention of Indigenous Peoples Day yet. The Democratic nominee for president, who presumably could be running our country, doesn't recognize the federal holiday and instead recognizes the holiday that was created to protest against that federal holiday. So the indigenous people's thing is not, Biden didn't actually make

that a national holiday at all. That's just a complete, I know some states have. So is that just like we're all reacting to the work of some states that have done this? I think so. Yeah. Unless the federal government is just really bad at updating their website, which very well could be the case. But it's just odd to me that we're sold this idea that Biden-Harris administration are the restore of norms. It doesn't seem normal to me that the potential president is not following federal holidays and sort of adhering to that norm. But honestly, it's odd to me. I was reading about 2020. There were 33 statues of Columbus that were ripped down in 2020. And I don't really like the idea that the president of the United States is

associated with that movement that's tearing down statues and writing in the streets. It just doesn't seem like a very positive and inspiring message. I don't see the joy. I'm not getting joy from that. It does not bring me any joy. I will say just on a little fact note here, it's not a federal holiday, but it has been recognized by the Biden administration. So that's the big thing where states were doing it previously, then the Biden administration recognized it. It's officially, you're right, not a federal holiday. So it is crazy. Not crazy. It's just very, very notable. What I picked up on online was you had Democrats celebrating one holiday, Republicans celebrating another holiday publicly for a

reason. And they're not just... These're not just these are not just different names okay one of the holidays is a celebration of european explorers who then colonized the americas and the other holiday is implicitly an indictment of that entire thing that entire chapter of of european history and a celebration of cultures that no longer exist. Okay. Like we don't know what, there were hundreds of probably maybe thousands, but certainly hundreds of different cultures in the Americas, most of which have been lost now. And like, what are we actually celebrating really?

If you like break it down,, what is the celebration there? Well, it doesn't even matter for the purpose of this conversation. The notable thing is that you have a real bifurcation culturally that I think is alarming to have half the country celebrating literally a different, not a different name for holiday, but a different holiday on the same day. I don't think there's a precedent for that in american history and it to me is you know it's funny to talk about the columbus day stuff and the culture war stuff is like you know kind of always fun to dip a toe into but there is a i think it's really dangerous for what the really the democrats have done here by purposely putting the day on Columbus Day. You're inviting perpetual rage. Once a year, all we know that's going to happen on Columbus Day every single year for as

long as this double day exists is people are going to be mad at each other and the country will be divided. It's like a day that exists now for division in America. That's actually what the holiday is. It's like a culture war holiday um and they did that they purposely did that uh that is really i think a tell of where we are as a country right now you know like it's like it's a super culturally divided country and it's all along political lines it's also like such a clear difference to like what the intention of the holiday is which is guilt and and division like Like November is actually Native American Heritage Month. So a whole month dedicated to celebrating those cultures, which is awesome.

Like they have really cool parts of those cultures that it's great for people to learn more about. And people who still identify, you know, as Native American, like they want to celebrate that. That's awesome. So it couldn't have been like, hey, just a reminder, like Native American Heritage Month is next month. No, it's like we put this on this day and our goal is to make things crazy. Yeah, it's obviously intentional. I mean, it's, you know, again, it's all about undermining our national story uh you know the the sort of the myths and and stories of a nation

are essential to it uh essential to your cohesion you know if we can't agree on certain things then you know what what exactly are we right i mean are we just a bunch of people who happen to live in the same place or are we a people right um yeah antonio a friend of mine antonio garcia martinez i've talked to him a bit about some of these topics and he's referred to he said we're no longer a country we're just an economy and that's how people treat it they come here and they treat it that way and and that's interesting like the the nation of it all is i to your point and he's like right really been taken out of us yeah and i think and i honestly how can you see this as as anything less than intentional though i mean you know it's it's when when they're you know teaching kids to be ashamed

of our history to feel guilty for things that that you know prior generations did you know you're tearing down statues of of you know not only confederate generals but also founding fathers and stuff and union generals grant was torn down in san francisco i'll never forget it because i had the bio all right he was already my guy on twitter and i was like you did what you did what to who and because he was racist what what do you have to do to not be called racist in this country the man freed the slaves he won he defeated the confederates and they're like fuck this guy if that's the line it's like they're i'm never they're never letting me into the pearly gates

if it's like grant gets a pass i mean yeah i mean the only the only conclusion can be right that they just want to tear down the past. And, you know, the idea being that you tear down the past, you can replace it with something else. And then you control the future. Yeah. He controls the past, controls the future. Unburdened by what has been, you know. I'm really worried that they're coming for Thanksgiving next.

I really like Thanksgiving. And I think that's ripe for the taking for them. This story that the Indians and the Pilgrims were there eating together and celebrating together, they're going to come after that and rip it apart, and we're going to be made to feel guilty on that day. I just want to eat turkey, watch football with my family, but I really think it's – I don't know. They have been trying, I guess the way that they've gotten at it previously

has just been to the warning stories about your Thanksgiving uncle. Right. Like, you know, everyone's got this dirtbag Thanksgiving uncle and this is how you talk about politics with him. And I realized recently, like, I've got a bunch of nieces and I got a nephew now. You are the uncle.

I'm the uncle. I'm the dirtbag uncle. I'm the uncle too. That they have to worry about. And should fucking worry by the way like now my table no one's taking me down um but the like native american piece i've seen them bringing it up a bit that they no longer do this stuff from what i've been told about people who have kids in school like we used to do the like the story of the Native Americans helping the pilgrims with food and they sat down together. We would shake butter. All of

that has been taken away, certainly in liberal states. They already are getting rid of the myth of it all. But the myth, to your earlier point, Andy, about we being myths, that is what I was talking about. It doesn't matter exactly what he did. There is an idea of Columbus that exists beyond the facts of his life. Just like there's an idea of the founding father, certainly, like the George Washington, like who even was he? It doesn't matter. Like he is the totemic father figure of the country. country and we all have a sense of that story in our mind and it's much more important um than like the minutiae of his day-to-day existence it's like that is the thing that story that myth is the thing that keeps us all together and you'd have to be very very very very dim to not understand that and i i think that most of the people responsible for this stuff do understand that and and they want to they want to destroy those myths they want to they want to erase what it is to be um an american and and like you said to sort of to rewrite it i don't know that they're going to win though like like i said there's so much pushback now

people are there's a lot of backlash yeah i mean it's really heartening actually i mean i remember i remember i mean it wasn't really even that long ago that you would hear them saying all this stuff and you never got to hear any pushback, right? Because, I mean, you know, at least before Twitter, you know, there wasn't any real sort of big public forum where people could push back against that. It was just all in the news. And, you know, you had your varying things on CNN and MSNBC, and then you had, you know, your boomers on Fox News or whatever. But then, you know, Twitter comes along and, you know, obviously before Elon bought it, it was a forum for all, you know, a lot of the worst of this crap. But now that Elon is in control of Twitter and we can actually hear it, I mean, yeah, you get this pushback.

And I think you realize that it's been there all along. Really, not everybody was buying this nonsense. I think what we really need to save the holiday, though, is no one's ever going to... Let's talk tactics here. No one is ever going to care about the importance of a founding myth or anything like that. What you really need is tradition that is fun, that people like. And you need to think of some interesting, like maybe on Columbus Day, you get on a boat or you make a boat and like, I don't even know, but like something, you get drunk on

a boat, like maybe it's a boat holiday. Maybe you just like, you need like a subtle rebrand. Now it's a boat holiday. Or now it's like, I don't rebrand now it's a boat holiday or now it's like i don't know what else did columbus did he really get syphilis maybe it's a sex holiday i don't know but like you let's go you need something because you can't just be like a day about a guy that i think is bad and i'm too lazy to wikipedia so that's what we need we need to we need to figure that out thanksgiving we'll never lose thanksgiving because you got the table we'll'll never lose Christmas because you got the tree and Santa Claus. And what we really all need to do

is put our thinking hats on and think of some new traditions that we can celebrate on Columbus Day. What are your last thoughts, guys? I mean, traditions in mind, if not thoughts on Columbus Day versus Indigenous Peoples Day, thoughts on the future,

like the direction this goes and the future. So the most worrying part of this to me is that if we just could have returned to my bejman off thing is that uh one thing he said was that the process of demoralization was irreversible and i don't know if i completely agree with that. You know, it certainly has been preceding a pace, I think. But, you know, just talking about how big a backlash there's been is, you know, again, it's heartening. But I think the real strategy is just to do what the lefties did. And it's you have have to take back the institutions. That's the only way to really do this stuff.

You've got to take back education. You've got to take back media, which we're kind of having some success at. And you've got to take back culture. And I'm not going to pretend to know how to accomplish those things, but it's got to start there. So I grew up in Texas and Columbus day was also state fair of Texas day.

We got a free fair ticket when we were students and we got to go to the fair. So I think we should move forward in that direction and just everybody, whatever, however you name that day, just try to go have some fun and we can all get along and have a good time. try to go have some fun and we can all get along and have a good time. White tail. Yeah. Push and joy. Olivia,

any Columbus day traditions. How did you celebrate Columbus day? How would I, or how did I, how should, how should we all, I mean, food that's very American.

We need a lot of food. And I think a great way to, like Andy said, taking back institutions. I'd love to see a lot of food. And I think a great way to, like Andy said, taking back institutions. I'd love to see a lot more homeschools pop up, teach kids in the home what Columbus Day is all about. And that's what we'll do. Well, not me, because I don't have any kids yet. But if we make Columbus Day a sex holiday,

maybe there's a path for me. Guys, it's been real. Vote. Actually, everyone who's watching, I would love to know what Columbus Day traditions we should have vote actually everyone in the who's watching i would love to know what columbus day traditions we should have sound off in the comments tell us what a great tradition for columbus day would be um tell us who you would like to hear more from uh kevin olivia or andy all back in the chat for the quarter the quarterfinals uh it's been real have a a great weekend guys. Um,

that's all I've got. Goodbye.