Pirate Wires - Super Bowl Erasure, Putin/Tucker, Jon Stewart, America's Craziest Mayor, & Kristen Stewart Photos

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

EPISODE #38: We’re back for your weekly Pirate Wires podcast! Are you ready for this one? Because this week is a wild ride. We start off talking about Alicia Keys’ vocal mistake at the Super Bowl and the NFL erasing all memory of it from the internet.. leading to a discussion on the Mandela Effect. We then move on to reacting to the Putin/Tucker interview while Biden holds a press conference to prove that he’s not senile. Jon Stewart returns and calls out Biden’s age. River then tells us this crazy story about Tiffany Henyard: America’s Mayor. We then follow up with right wing outrage over Kristen Stewarts androgynous photoshoot, the latest update on Twitter famous’ Ian Miles Cheong. Finally.. we wrap up with the wild news on the one and only Rachel Dolezal. Featuring Mike Solana, Brandon Gorrell, River Page, Sanjana Friedman Subscribe to Pirate Wires: https://www.piratewires.com/ Topics Discussed: https://www.piratewires.com/p/tiffany-henyard-americas-mayor?f=home Pirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWires Mike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolana Brandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrell River Twitter: https://twitter.com/river_is_nice Sanjana Twitter: https://twitter.com/metaversehell TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Welcome Back To The Pod! Like & Subscribe 1:00 - Super Bowl Erasure! Alicia Keys Vocal Flub Removed From The Internet 3:15 - The Re-Writing Of History On The Internet 11:00 - The Mandela Effect 22:00 - Putin/Tucker Reaction & Jon Stewart Return 38:30 - Tiffany Henyard: America’s Mayor 51:40 - Kristen Stewart Cover Shoot For Rolling Stone Causes Right Wing Outrage 01:02:10 - Ian Miles Cheong - WTF is going on?! 01:06:30 - Thanks For Watching! Like & Subscribe! 01:06:45 - JUST KIDDING - We Have To Talk About Rachel Dolezal 01:14:00 - See You All Next Week! Tell Your Friends!

I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side. You're now rewriting history online. Why are they lying to you about this? And anytime you hear the word they, like buckle up, you're about to get a sweet conspiracy theory. But I maintain that the fruit of the womb thing, I know what I saw. What I do know is I sat through two and a half hours of like history. Joe Biden was in the middle of a press conference

in which he was trying to make his case to the American people that he was not senile. Joss Stewart comes back. His killer segment, it's about Biden's age. I thought his monologue was pretty trite. I mean, I guess I have to give him credit for actually pointing out the obvious. Her name is Tiffany Hinyard. If she loses election, the salary will go to $25,000 a year. But if she wins, it will stay the same.

That's crazy. Preschool teacher fired for like an OnlyFans account. Okay. The picture that is linked is of one Rachel Dolezal. She's got a great body for a woman of grade. You looked at her OnlyFans? Welcome back to the pod, guys. We have a lot to cover today, so I want to get into it right up front. I want to talk about this. I want to talk about, it's a piece of the Super Bowl that nobody gave a shit about at all for the first time in my entire life. And they didn't care.

So this year, no one cared. I want to talk about it. It's the Super Bowl halftime show. And I'm going to take a weird angle about it. It i don't care about usher okay i'm not here to do what we typically do which is like was the halftime show good was it bad i feel like this one was bad not the topic in our discussion he had a guest star alicia keys and there was a voice she had a little a little bit of a voice crack when she sort of first started singing Again still don't care not interesting What is interesting about this voice crack and I mean I have a lot to talk about it here I want to really get into this because we've written a lot about this at pyrewire as I certainly have

It was erased. So in subsequent, like, released recordings of this live show, which, you know, 150 million Americans watched and saw happen, the voice crack is no longer there. And this is on Apple as well as the official Super Bowl YouTube channel. I have heard reports that videos with the crack were taken down. I tried to confirm that before the show. I haven't seen that. I don't have any hard evidence of that uh but what this is to me this is fascinating so you have a moment that everybody in america sees that now for the rest of time will be just a story we tell meanwhile the actual recorded record is something that did

not happen okay it's a small difference and i here people, maybe you're thinking like, maybe some people are thinking, well, what's the big deal about this? Who cares that the voice crack was smoothed over? Is maybe this not sort of dissimilar from, I don't know, lip syncing or something like that. I think it's fundamentally different. You lip sync on a show, that's the recording, that's history. We saw it happen. Okay. You're now rewriting history online. Now, I've read about something adjacent to this in a piece called Variant Z, in a piece called Encyclopedia Titanica, in a piece called Tether, I wrote about this. We are losing our history. So the weird thing about the internet is when we all went online, the promise of that in the early 2000s was just unlimited information and we would have all

of the world's information at our fingertips. So that happened, we have unlimited information. What we sort of didn't see coming was that it changes. And actually, physically, the things, the record can be changed. Now, once you stop producing that, once you stop having a hard covered, say, encyclopedia or something, and the definitions of words and things over the last 20 years or things that even defense that happened on Wikipedia and whatnot are being edited in real time, you lose your sense of common shared reality. Now, I guess there's a question of whether or not that ever existed in the first place, which we can get into in a second. But I want to leave you with one more. So you have the voice crack. and get into in a second. But I want to leave you with one more series. So you have the voice crack. I think a more interesting and really serious example of this was something I wrote about at

the time that it happened in a piece called Tether, the congressional hearing for now Chief Justice Amy Coney Barrett. So in her hearing, she was asked about some gay question and she was like the typical song and dance where she has to pretend that she's not homophobic. Maybe she's not. Maybe she is. I don't know. But she had to prove that she was not homophobic. I don't think she is. She had to prove it in front of Congress. And she started talking about this. She said, I'm not homophobic. I don't care. Anyone's sexual preference is their business, blah, blah, blah. Immediately following that, a Huffington Post reporter wrote a piece saying that Amy Coney Barrett uses this bigoted phrase, sexual preference. And it goes viral. And

everyone's attacking her. All the leftists are attacking Amy for using the phrase sexual preference. And I'm scratching my head because I'm like, it's definitely dated, but I don't think it's not offensive. Sexual preference. I'm not offended by sexual preference. Is that offense? I had earnestly not received the memo. Neither did the dictionary because that definition changed in real time. The definition, when you type up sexual preference, you Google it, you go to the dictionary, the Webster's definition, it changed to include that this was now offensive. So I think this is roughly the theme that I'm interested in. This is the topic that comes up again and again at PirateWires, because I think it is this very important aspect of our information

landscape right now that continues to be underexplored um not taken seriously and uh yeah i think it's a i think it's i think it's incredibly important um oh oh rough thoughts i maybe i want to start with river you were kind of nodding along maybe to the amy uh barrett piece what was your take on that oh yeah that was stupid i just remember thinking at the time i was like well i mean i tried both i preferred men so i mean that is why I'm gay. Like, it is a preference. I didn't hate it. It was just, you know,

I preferred. But, no, I mean, it is... I mean, this sort of thing has happened, like, for a long time. I mean, you read about it, like, in Orwell or whatever because it happened in the Soviet Union. Stalin's, like, editing Trotsky out of official portraits of, like, the Bolsheviks and all of that. whatever because it happened in the soviet union stalin's like editing trotsky out of uh official

portraits of like the bolsheviks and all of that um my super catholic great grandma used to cut people's ex-wives out of the family photos but like some people have been doing this for a while but i i really remember the first time i i noticed this was you know the movie avatar like james cameron's movie avatar oh yeah you know the scene where the blue people are like having sex i guess but it's like with their tails and like the the little tendrils or they connect the tails and that's how they like fuck i guess yeah it's weird okay that was edited out that's if you rent that movie on amazon prime right now it's gone i thought i was losing my mind because i or I was like watching it on Amazon Prime

and I was like, I remember this scene. I remember being in like 14 in a movie theater, seeing this and laughing because I thought it was like so weird and ridiculous. And I like, I thought I was losing my mind. And so I was like Googling, I was like deleted scene, blue people f***ing like, you know, whatever.

Had to like sift through all the porn. But then I found like a Reddit where other people were like, no, I remember f***ing, like, you know, whatever. Had to like sift through all the porn. But then I found like a Reddit where other people were like, no, I remember this. They took it out. And it's like, yeah, James Cameron, because people made fun of that scene. So he took it out.

There are a handful of examples of this in film, actually. We published a piece by Kat Rosenfeld called Gaslight. And I mean, she goes into them. She was focusing on what I saw as it was like kind of this woke erasing of things, which is classically like Chinese cultural revolution status, you know, to go back and transform art. I noticed it recently in Aladdin though. I was

watching maybe like a year ago, I turned on the cartoon Aladdin. I'd seen the live action and I was like i forget what i want to kind of compare it to the original that i remembered and they altered uh they altered the beginning because it was considered i guess um anti-muslim or something it was some version of this thing that we always hear um and in the small details it feels like not so big of a deal. But in aggregate, it feels like we don't have history anymore. It feels like if anything can change at any time for any reason, and there's no record and they can actually go into like you buy the video game or the movie on Amazon and the thing that you buy can be altered remotely. Amazon and the thing that you buy can be altered remotely, that is very alarming. And I know it's, again, these things seem trivial. These are the examples that we're catching and seeing. I think it's happening all the time. And again, in aggregate, that starts to feel like the sand of civilization slipping out from underneath you. And I don't know. Yeah, it's super, I don't know, kind of

eerie to me. Yeah, I think one reason it's so eerie as well is because, you know, in journalism, the standard is if you make an edit to a piece after it's published, like a correction or something, you have to say at the end that, you know, editors know we've made this correction and you have to specify what the correction is. And that's just for, you know, transparency and honesty. But I think it's also so that readers who read the original piece and go back to it don't, you know, feel like they've been lied to by the journalist. And these cases you have this kind of like in the case of avatar or in the case of this alicia key's uh vocal you know mishap at the halftime show there is no disclaimer that like this content has been edited uh after the fact it's been censored in some way um and i think

that as long as there's no like now that you have this breakdown of sort of norms and standards around how media gets produced and disseminated um it is kind of scary that you can have all kinds of corrections that um completely change content people interact with and if they've already shared it then like it's yeah it makes me wonder what we don't know like what what has changed that we don't know has changed? There's this Fruit of the Loom conspiracy. What is the word for these things? Mandela effect?

Yes, the Mandela effect. The Fruit of the Loom is classically a Mandela effect. Rever, you want to define the Mandela effect really quick? Mandela effect. It comes from this false memory that a bunch of people in South Africa had about Nelson Mandela dying in prison and like the eighties and he didn't. And it's basically sort of like a, a collective false memory. Yeah. But I maintain that the fruit of the loom thing is, I know what i saw okay so so now there's a famously

nelson mandela is where it comes from uh the one that probably i mean might be even more the most famous at this point is the movie shazam people remember uh like a shazam movie starring sinbad i believe is how is how it goes um and actually that never existed the movie does not exist um starring there's no Shazam starring Sinbad. The Fruit of the Loom one, you have the cornucopia. So what is the brand identity of Fruit of the Loom? And many people imagine a cornucopia with fruit pouring out of it. And in fact, that allegedly is not true. It has never been true. Not even once in the history of Fruit of the Loom. What is actually true is that it is just fruit. There is no cornucopia. And people online, if you go and Google this, like people in comment sections and chat boards about that,

they're losing their mind over this because they truly, myself included, I mean, I remember the cornucopia, right? They truly believe that it it existed now there have been people who um there was one girl i saw on tiktok so i have no idea if it's real but she dug all the way back into like you know clothing that was 20 years old and and she shows you a frilly loom tag that had a cornucopia on it um you know she swear like here it is it's real why are they lying to you about this and anytime you hear the word they like buckle up, you're about to get a sweet conspiracy theory. And the theory here is that they are changing very small, trivial things in the world to see what you're willing to tolerate. the cornucopia um it definitely existed and they say no it did not it never existed um and we accept that then there's it's like there's a standard they can kind of push it further how far can they push it the underwear company the what the underwear company well i have no idea

further i have no idea who they are they're gonna get away with next in this scenario yeah i mean i don't know i don't know what i don't know what they i don't know who they are i still don't know but it does separate from the conspiracy of it all um you know it does beg the question of what we would be willing to tolerate if someone just stares you in the face and says that's not what happened it was this totally other thing um and and it seems like quite a lot is my take on this. River, you wanted to talk about how you actually believe in the conspiracy theory. I do. I think that TikTok actually, she pulls up my tweet.

I'm just like, I know what I saw. It went viral on Instagram. Yeah, it may be a different TikTok. I don't know. I just see that. I see my tweet pop up all the time on Instagram now. It's one of those like mean things that gets recirculated now but yeah I mean I have very distinctive memories

of the cornucopia like I and I've seen like yeah like I've seen like the old like people are like finding stuff at Goodwill and they're like here it is I don't know there's I can't prove it but it feels like uh I don't know maybe it's some sort of multi, there's multiple dimensions. I don't know. There's something weird going on, though. I wonder, it's like, are we kind of, are we recalling something from a, this is, do I believe this? I don't know. I lose track sometimes of the things that I believe in.

The things that I enjoy believing. No, this is one where I'm like, is it possible that we're recalling, it's like we have memories from a parallel universe just next to our parallel universe. It's like just close enough that there's some sort of crossing of wires there. And then I was just, this is like a totally separate thought,

which is, do I believe, I don't know that I actually believe that. I sometimes lose myself in the things that are fun to believe and this is definitely one of those things but something is happening here and the company is straight up denying it and that's that's weird i that is very odd to me to have uh these mass false memories and um and this is a yeah i guess it's like it's an adjacent conversation to the fact that we actually have some real memories that are being altered in real time. And what are the consequences of that? Brandy, you had some interesting thoughts about that, the sort of high-level topic here that you shared in Slack.

Yeah, I guess I'm on the fence on your whole theory of things. I guess I'm on the fence on your old theory of things. I think there's kind of a tension between the fact that previous to the internet, there was only like a specific percentage of the information or history was saved in encyclopedia books and actually entered the record versus now. I presume it's safe to say that we save much more information about what happened previously or what goes in the record. The record is much bigger now. Right. So I think, you know, maybe there's a tradeoff here where we're storing way more information.

But some of that information is getting modified to, I suppose, prop up the regime, I guess. That's the theory. So I think that's interesting. I also think, you know, Winston Churchill, I think, is attributed to saying history is written by the winners. And I don't think what's happening today is an anomaly in history. Well, there are all sorts of losers on Wikipedia writing it now. So I do think that it's quite different. All you need is control of the distribution of information online and a bit of

it because it's not like we're recording these things all over the place. And then the Google footprint vanishes. So right now, what do you have? You have a dictionary that's digital only that's been altered. The definition has changed. It's now different. It is now officially, by decree, it is rude to say sexual preference. We have articles talking about that change, but Google is in charge of that and things fall off depending on how old they are. And eventually, what do you have? You have the dominant record says it's offensive. It has always been offensive. You have a bunch of internet sleuths saying, wait a minute, but I found this article from 50 years ago that there's only a digital copy of that says this random thing that I want't believe you. I think you made that up because there's no physical record of anything. I have a hardbound collection of encyclopedias or the encyclopedia. I don't even know what the proper nomenclature of this is because we don't use them anymore. But it's for the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's the last one they published. It's in my room in San Francisco. And there's

nothing like that anymore where we could disagree on something, but we're disagreeing on politics. Not like, what is the entry in the encyclopedia? Just go look it up. Then at least, if norms are changing, you could point to it and say, well, the norm changed on this date. Now it's unclear what the norm ever was. That feels very new to me. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I keep thinking about how the papacy, when they were running out of money in the 1600s, began selling indulgences. And they wrote a decree and they were like, it's cool. We can just sell your way into heaven. Yeah.

And people bought indulgences. And I suppose some percentage of Christians were like, like all right i i believe that but ultimately that was seen as as folly and you know now we know that the the lutherans won that that uh that conflict so i don't know i feel like the i feel like the truth or or the better way ultimately makes its way out of those situations where you're like, your example is the definition or that sexual preference, that term is bad. I had never heard that, but I feel like if truly like most people on the left believe that the word sexual preference is bad, I think we'll ultimately get out of that and realize that that is, we're saying the R word again, aren't we? I don't, so this is the thing. I'm not worried about the sexual preference is bad. I think we'll ultimately get out of that and realize that that is,

we're saying the R word again, aren't we? I don't. So this is the thing. I'm not worried about the sexual preference. Who cares if it becomes, maybe it does. Things change, words change, insult, things become insulting that weren't once. For me, the more important thing is knowing what was offensive, when it became offensive, having some real sense of how, of what people used to say. And we do have a sense of that for everything before the year 2002 or whatever, whatever rough moment in the early 2000s when we started producing more information online about the present day than we did on physical, tangible, like papers and things like this. So now, I mean, PirateWires is a great example. PirateWires is 100% digital. So we could

change the record and what is... There are very few outlets you can go and sort of verify what once existed in an article that we published three years ago. We have control of that. And there are tools that you have like the Wayback Machine and things like this that you can edit. In fact, famously, we have caught at PowerWise, we've written about certain reporters changing that or removing themselves from it. I do think it's a new problem and it is an underexplored problem and it's going to cause problems, especially like 20 years from now when we're trying to remember what was really happening in the year 2009 and we have no record that we can trust. We have our memory, which is imperfect, which the Mandela effect, and my real perspective

on the Mandela effect, is it proves that our memories are kind of janky and can be influenced by stories we want to believe and by what our friends believe. And we really believe these things that we saw, but we now have proof that we didn't. And so it's going to be hard to piece together what happened in our formative years, which seems like a total reversal of what the trend should be, because our assumption is always as the future moves on,

we get better at this stuff, not worse. But I think that what we have now is literally worse than paper, which is strange. Yeah gonna be like 80 years old like telling my like statistically likely gay nephew like our lady gaga's art pop had an r kelly song on it and they're gonna be like okay uncle they're like let's get you the nursing home you know they're like they're talking believe me she got rid of it did year so she erased it from like perry had a song called you're so gay yeah that starts with you should hang yourself with an h&m scarf and they're like okay sure i just had to think they got they haven't got rid of

that one yet but buy the cd because they will eventually um i want to quickly talk i know it's a little it's a slight this is you know a week old at this point i want to quickly talk. I know it's a little, it's a slight, this is, you know, a week old at this point. I want to quickly talk about the Putin, uh, Tucker interview only to get to another topic really quick. So they're all kind of connected, but you have, um, you had this Putin Tucker interview, um, media lost its mind over the fact that Tucker was doing this. over the fact that Tucker was doing this, it's sort of like an assumption that he is spreading Putin propaganda, whatever. Maybe he is, maybe he's not. I have no idea what the relationship is with the Kremlin. I don't know if he gave the questions to Putin ahead of time. What I do know is I sat through two and a half hours of history. I sat through a long ass, very thoughtful, even if it's propaganda, the man is able to at least sit down for two and a half hours and make a case for something on behalf of his country. And there are lots of questions about whether moved from that interview uh to the news and joe biden was in the middle of a press conference that he held for i think like 20

minutes in which he was trying to make his case to the american people that he was not senile and in it he confused the president of mexico with like another nation as you know initially the president of Mexico CC did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in I talked to him I convinced to open the gate I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side you're the president of the United States and this is your whole thing. Your job is to be defending the country. You are the commander in chief. And it was a very stark and startling juxtaposition between what is our apparent enemy abroad and our man at home. And there are only really, you could read it two ways. If Ari is Russia, the enemy of the US, okay. If he is, then our president needs to be just as good as him at least. If he's not, then I'm able to point to him and say, okay, well, can our president be a little more like him? There's no version of this that makes Biden look good. And Biden is not unique in this. I could not picture Donald.

I think it would be entertaining to force Donald Trump to sit down and talk to us about history for two and a half hours. But do I think that he would be eloquent and thoughtful and forceful? No. In fact, I can't think of a single person in the country who could. Certainly none of the old ones, which very quick, I want to connect it to the Jon Stewart thing. And let's talk about all of this,

like if you guys just take any piece of it you want. But Jon Stewart comes back, we've talked about him on this pod. He's coming back. I was super negative on it. I thought it was going to be pretty bad because I'd seen some of his Apple stuff and it was atrocious and it was disappointing because he was so good on the COVID leak in China and interesting. And he kind of forced Democrats to a more reasonable position, which is a great place for him and a useful tool for the Democrats. He failed at Apple, but then he comes back. And what is his segment?

Like his killer segment? It's about Biden's age. He does it in a really smart way for a Democrat who wants his goal is to get Biden out of the election to put someone young and formidable in the race. And so he draws an equivalence between Biden and Trump, and he makes fun of them both. And by the end of the monologue, he starts with sort of tepid, confused applause. He ends with the audience is on his side. I got to thinking like this guy, very good for the Democrats, and he's going to be influential, I think, throughout the next election. So a lot here. You guys, what are your thoughts on any range of these things here? First of all, the senility question in general of Biden,

sort of the embarrassing nature of watching him follow Putin, or just the Jon Stewart thing. Like, am I right? Is he going to be, is he back? Is he not back? I don't think I'm Jon Stewart's target audience, to be honest, because I'm not like a, I don't know, boomer Democrat. Is that fair to say that that's his sort of target audience? I don't know. I thought Democrat. Is that fair to say that that's his sort of target audience? I don't know. I thought his monologue was pretty trite. I mean, I guess I have to give him credit for actually pointing out the obvious, which is that Biden is obviously senile and in decline. And as is Trump, of course, I mean, they're both, you know, Biden's past 80, Trump's about to be 80, I think. But I wasn't really, I don't know, I wasn't really blown away

by it. And I do think, you know, Biden just gives me so much secondhand embarrassment. I can't even bear to watch some of his press conferences because it's so, I mean, it's like every other word is a gaffe and doesn't make sense um and it is it's impossible to imagine biden speaking coherently for an hour let alone two hours about anything uh let alone and you know putin is was obviously pushing a very tendentious narrative of history but at least he was able to sell a narrative about why he's doing this and it it was an interesting narrative. And maybe it wasn't historically accurate, but at least he's got something that has an emotional appeal in the way that Biden just repeating NATO talking points, I think doesn't for a lot of people. Well, yeah, he's sitting down and his goal, even if it's propaganda, he did a good job. He went in,

his goal was in two and a half hours, I'm going to convince people in America that I am doing a thing that is in my best interest and I'm no threat to them. And to do that, I'm going to talk about history. I'm going to make myself seem reasonable. I'm going to make fun of Tucker Carlson, who the elites don't like. He's a clown. Clearly, I also think he's a clown. He did a great job. If it was just marketing, he did a good job of it. And to your point, Sanjana, I don't think Biden could do that. I genuinely do not believe he's capable of doing that. And that is great. He's the president of the United States. That's a huge problem. Yeah. I've seen a lot of think pieces and tweets lately of people sort of bemoaning the fact that

republic sometimes it's just republican sometimes it's young republicans sometimes it's a new right whatever people complaining that people on the right particularly younger people people online uh don't hate russia and they like russia and they kind of like putin don't hate Russia and they like Russia and they kind of like Putin. And when you watch that interview, you realize why. What Putin was articulating is a vision for a country, which we do not have and we have not had since the collapse of the Soviet Union. When we were just like, we won. Okay, now let's have a big garage sale and just sell everything.

American, the point of America will be buying a new TV from Korea. Like that, I mean, it's sort of feels so vapid and hopeless. And there's been all these, I think neoconservatism, like the idea that we're going to, you know, turn all these despotic nations in the Middle East into democracies or whatever. Like that was sort of a an attempt to try to reclaim it which failed and now people are sort of trying to do the same thing by uh you know

sort of refashioning neoconservatism as like we're just going to defend we're going to get involved in every foreign territorial conflict that there is uh and you know that'll be the point of america is just picking sides in these uh you know, blood feuds. And it's not working. Like, we have to have a country. Like, what Putin was articulating is a vision of a country, a place with a history and a people and a vision for the future. Even if that vision is Russian imperialism, like, maybe people in the West don't like that. like maybe people in the west don't like that but it means something to russians particularly after suffering you know the humiliation of uh the what happened with the soviet union collapse which is

you know these oligarchs uh come up westerners come in they buy in everything the economy is racked on purpose and um people feel humiliated felt humiliated and that's why putin came to power and i think it's always it's a cautionary tale because I think if we don't get our shit in order and something, you know, really bad comes along, some sort of economic crisis or something else, we're going to have a Putin-like figure because that's the only thing that will be able to keep the country together is sort of a strong man who has a vision of America that people believe in and people will give up a lot of rights to have some sense of there being a point to this whole thing. Yeah, I think I agree. Well said. Brandon?

I don't have anything to add. I think that's a banger point, River. And I totally agree with that. When I was watching it, I tweeted and deleted something like that Norman Rockwell painting because people were making fun of Putin for going on and on about the history of Russia. And I think my tweet was something like, I think it's good that a country has a, when a country has a president that can, you know, like talk about history intelligently. And I think River, you said it better than I can. Um, that really symbolizes somebody who's, who actually has a positive vision for their own country. And I agree. We're not, we're not

getting that from our, our politicians. Um, on the other side of things that I could, I would address, I did get some weird vibes from Twitter. I saw people tweeting that Putin should just simply not be interviewed, that Tucker had done something wrong for interviewing Putin at all, which I think is a super weird point. Um, at all, which I think is a super weird point. It is an established tradition in journalism for journalists to interview powerful heads of our foreign adversaries. Like Mike Wallace interviewed Ayatollah Khomeini literally during the Iranian hostage crisis. Edward Morrow interviewed Khrushchev at the height of the cold war dan rather interviewed saddam hussein right before desert storm of of uh osama bin laden's op-ed i didn't even i i completely missed that one viral on all the tiktok girlies were like osama he was right and we had to

have a whole discourse about it because we're discovering this old op-ed of his from 10 years ago when they were, I guess, still prepubescent and didn't know what was happening or why he was bad. Yeah. My point is to say that I found that critique extremely strange and illiberal. And I was basically rubbed the wrong way, but yeah, good interview. I think people would be wise actually to listen to when they do interview these like despotic figures to listen to what they have to say this was something I heard

I can't find this interview I tried and tried to look for it I think Glenn Greenwald or somebody was talking about it I heard it on a podcast but in the lead up to the Iraq war an American journalist did an interview with saddam hussein's um sort of secondhand man he's this uh iraqi christian guy who was in the bathys party for a long time came up with saddam and he was the i figured the journalist was where they

were like criticized for that because they were like he's airing out propaganda on national tv and all this but like what the guy was actually saying in the interview was like you don't understand this country like the only thing that is keeping the that is protecting religious minorities in this country and keeping people from killing each other is this sort of secular is like the is bathism is this sort of secular Arab nationalism without it. You have a massive Shia, these Shia religious fanatics who are backed by Iran who are like going to take over the country. And that's basically what happened.

And like, if people like that wasn't propaganda, he was actually telling you the truth, you know? And like when Putin says that, um, he believes that, you know,

he's talking about how he basically believes that ukraine is a real country you can say this propaganda or whatever but that's actually what he believes that's what a lot of russians believe for and they have reasons for believing that because it wasn't an independent country until the 90s so like i i don't know it's just like this weird um it's almost like i don't it's not quite anti like this weird... It's almost like... It's not quite anti-intellectualism, but there's this... It's almost like they don't want to understand what people in other...

How people in other countries think. No. Because it's a two-and-a-half-hour interview where certainly Putin is going to tell us exactly... We have already established that what he cares about is his people, and that is great. Wish I had one of those in America. But certainly, and I agree that we should be able to hear, and there's probably some

wisdom in hearing what they have to say. The problem is that what he is going to tell us is shaped in a specific way to get something that he wants that is not in our interest. It is in his interest. Maybe there's overlap between our interests, but more than likely, there are things that he wants that will be bad for us. And I want to just steel man the other side because it's the same conversation we have for really almost every disinformation story, which is actually, while I think probably the four of us and most of our listeners,

I have a lot of faith in our ability to sort of make that analysis ourselves. There are many people who are not smart enough to make that analysis. They believe everything they hear and it does lead to really bad negative consequences. Now, I still think the freedom thing is good. I still believe it, but I don't think we should pretend that there is not some reason that people are upset that Tuckerucker just gave you know a two and a half hour platform sort of quite uncritically to vladimir putin other than the end where he was like uh hey can you release this journalist who you're holding hostage and putin was like no and then that was the end of it um i think there's a you know i don't want to pretend that there's not

that it's like oh why would they care about this like it's very obvious why they care at the very least it's obvious why they care the question of whether or not uh he should do it is something different but it's like let's not pretend that it's i don't think it's so black and white i do think um one thing that's interesting about the tucker interview specifically is compared to like is it dan rather who interviewed saddam uh brandon yeah is the tucker interview was not edited uh very heavily like whereas the rather interview is edited for tv um and you know um when barbara walters interviewed fidel it was edited for tv as well i thought it was kind of interesting that tucker just he he editorialized a bit at the beginning when he had his monologue.

But then it cut to just him talking to Putin. And Putin was, you know, he went on his supposedly 30 second presentation of the history that lasted like half an hour. But I do think that there's a kind of, there's a technical point here that might explain to some extent some people's objections. point here that might explain to some extent some people's objections, which is just that the interview really was presented with very little context or editing post-production. Yeah, the frame was not given to people. And that is scary. And the thing is, I always resist the fear of people thinking for themselves is what is behind, you know, most of these efforts to censor. And I resist those efforts and fuck those people. However, like in this freer world that I want, and that I think we all want, we have to be real about the

fact that you're going to have huge hordes of people who believe in absolutely bananas things that are not based in reality. And in fact, we see that. I do think it's proliferating. I do think the internet is going to be the sort of vector where that happens forever. I don't think you can stop it. I think we have to figure out a way to deal with that. It's sort of like fragmented media ecosystem that we live in. There are two things I want to talk about still left today. I want to talk about a batshit crazy mayor that River wrote about, and I want to talk about Kristen Stewart's androgynous sex pot photo shoot in Rolling Stone. Let's start with the mayor, and we'll get to Kristen Stewart, I promise. Yeah, I'm obsessed with this woman. Her name is Tiffany Hinyard. She actually has

two positions. She's the mayor of Dalton, Illinois, and also the supervisor of Thornton Township. Dalton is kind of a... It's like a village within Thornton. It's in the South Chicago suburbs. Anyway, this woman... I'm just going to read off the list of crazy shit that she's done. Since she was elected in 2021, this woman has not been in office

very long. She hired a sex offender to do home inspections because he worked on her campaign and then fired him because he talked to a journalist. She puts up these giant billboards advertising city services, but they have her name and her face on them. So it'll be like free produce

with her face on it. And she's like smiling and doing like that's so just she has a fake breast cancer charity which i feel like is that's very classic politician but she's so over the top with this she just got subpoenaed by the state attorney of illinois for not basically never filing any paperwork on it uh despite taking money from the city to fund her private breast cancer charity she took a trip to vegas at the taxpayer's expense and went to all these different places like went to bubba gump's shrimp company and when she was being questioned about it in the town meeting had the bubba gump like shrimp had like on her desk in front of her as she was denying that she

I guess didn't spend any money. Let's see. She once showed to a meeting dressed as Wesley Stipe's character from New Jack City. She also has a DJ who accompanies her to town meetings to accentuate her points

with music. They'll be playing like Rihihanna's better have my money uh like stuff like that um there's more she uh she faced her recall uh but she beat it on like some sort of weird technicality like a paperwork thing or something uh and then posted this infographic on instagram that was like i'm your mayor now and forever and it says like it says like recalled defeated or something like that uh she's building a sort of uh praetorian guard uh she just keeps pulling cops off the street to serve in her personal security detail this is a town like 20 000 people by the way so she's being like uh driven around in black suvs like the president like it like a caravan uh

the cops are like but keeping journalists from talking to her she fired her chief of police because this wife was friends with uh one of her political opponents. What about the one... Didn't she also change the salary based on whether or not she wins the next election? Yeah, I was about to get to that. Yeah, she's in the township supervisor position, which pays like $200-something thousand a year, which is kind of crazy for an elected position. She successfully passed an ordinance that says if she loses election the salary will go from it's like 240 000 or something

to 25 000 a year but if she wins it will stay the same that's crazy that one for me that's all that's the one. How does she pass something like that? I don't get it. I don't know. How does anything get passed? She's being sued over it. They're interviewing the lawyer on local Chicago news.

And the, what is it called at the bottom of the news? Chiron. The what? The Chiron. The Chiron. It just it just says in quotes illegal in so many ways um what is it about this woman that she's starting a podcast too by the way which i will be listening to me we all you have to be your first guest join the club yeah i will interview her but what what is it about her i mean she's really captured your imagination your heart your your mind what is it about her she's just she's camp um she has this relationship she's like an old school uh corrupt politician in the way that she's um giving stuff away one thing i don't even think i mentioned in the article is that she's in a beef

with a lady who runs a local food pantry and it's like keeps denying her permits to expand her food pantry like a legitimate like food bank for poor people in a like town that's pretty poor because like she gives away food as like in her capacity as mayor in boxes that have her name on it so she views this this kind-hearted woman who owns a food bank it's like a political enemy but she um she like gives away stuff to people she's kind of like a tooth fairy figure or something um did you say the million dollar very camp the oh yeah yeah yeah she said she was doing there see there's so fucking many i can't even i like made a list it's like two pages long yeah she announced for um black history month she was doing a million dollar

giveaway that had her face on it and she's making this sign with like a kente cloth thing in the background and it actually turns out that it's money from the city and it's not the total budget is like a million dollars and it's money for like rent or mortgages or assistance or something it's that one's actually like the branding is hilarious like the way that she's like maybe it seemed like some sort of raffle or like lottery or something um but i think at the very least like that's one of the few things i don't think she'll get sued over because she's actually for once using the money somewhat for what it's intended for. But yeah, she she's also made music videos. look at you look at you you look at you you big man i'm happy leave me alone you man yeah leave me alone

it's you're just gonna have to play it I can't I can't remember the words but it's great like this woman's Instagram is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen and this is another documentary opportunity

oh yeah there has to be one in the works yeah if not we should make it the piece it was like at least she Another documentary opportunity for us. There has to be one in the works. Yeah, if not, we should make it. You mentioned in the piece, it was like, at least she does the corruption in public, which is another person. You wrote about George Santos, and he was another person who kind of, I mean, I don't know that he did it openly

as much as he got exposed, and he was funny when he was exposed. But there's something maybe weirdly charming about these people because it's just so clear-cut and also everyone agrees like like they do these crazy things and you don't have half the country defending them it's just like we can all agree this is really bad and it's also funny and then it's it's just you know we move on meanwhile nancy pelosi's uh stock what is what is it it's like she's the warren buffett of her uh generation i will say on that though she's beat the market by like 500 or something yeah it's a little weird

but it's kind of don't you want your don't you want your senators and congressmen economically aligned with the country i do i don't want them to be able to bet against it i don't want them to be able to short these things i think that's really crazy um but i think that they should be they should almost maybe be forced to invest in like just uh index the worst companies imaginable one next mission has cross let's. Let's do them all. They have to invest in like, I don't know, like the Fortune 500 or something. Yeah, no. I mean, they should just like have their money should just go into a blind trust.

It's just like an S&P or something. Yeah. You also mentioned, and this is where I also disagree. Well, the only place really that I think I disagree. It is a weird off. It has nothing to do with her. I agree that she's awesome. Terrible, but awesome.

It's too much money for the mayor to be making, right? Like what is it? 200,000. I think that these people, we need to have like 30%. We need to cut the entire workforce of the government by two-thirds and give everybody else an increase in pay because we are not incentivizing good people into these positions. And why did she cut the salary down to 25K if she loses? She's trying to kill her competition because she's actually correct that if she does that, it will lower the incentive to run.

And so it's weird. We all look at this in the wealthiest country in human history, She's actually correct that if she does that, it will lower the incentive to run. And so we all, it's weird, like we all look at this in the wealthiest country in human history. We know that we are not incentivizing good, smart people to go into these positions. And we seem to not care about it. I always think about this in the context of the president. Would we really be having this Joe Biden, Donald Trump conversation, this question of should we or should we not have an 80-year-old in office who can barely string a sentence together if we simply paid the president $10 million a year? I think that a lot of really talented people would do a lot to get that position,

and it would solve a lot of problems. And it's like, oh, but we can't pay the government a lot of money. I think we just fire a lot of people. No? Am I crazy? I mean, Donald Trump already has a lot of money. So he still wants to be president. Yeah, it's a very rare person that it attracts. It attracts a megalomaniac who money's not enough. They need power. But we need people who are incentivized by money because that's 99.9% of human beings.

And they're right now all doing very lucrative things in business where they are actually providing a lot of value and doing a lot of good and running businesses in a way that is very efficient and very helpful. And I think that you want to get those people into government rather than have to rely on the random one-off, will he, won't he dictator. I think that only works if you close off the means of like corrupt activities to like presumably nancy pelosi i don't know you know if what she's doing is completely above board with her stock trading but it seems a little sketchy to me um because like i don't know hillary clinton eliz Elizabeth Warren, a lot of politicians are millionaires because they're politicians.

So there were millionaires after they became politicians via speaking fees, consultant gigs, and all that. So I think you would, like, it's already really lucrative to go into politics. politics. I think if you're a certain, not local politics, but I mean, I don't actually, I don't know the facts. Yeah. But national politics here- Your average congressman is not making anything. They can't even afford to live in DC, which is why the recent issue of their salary increase came up and people freaked out. This is a classic right-wing thing. And I get it to be like, how dare you? Why do you want $200,000 or something to go and run the government when the median income of Americans is blah, blah, blah. And that's what it should be. But I don't think it should be. I don't think that we should be paying

congressmen what we pay janitors. I think that it should be actually an elite position and you get a lot to do it. And yeah, we're really hard on the corruption side, but you get a great salary. And we do seem to have a problem of attracting good people to those positions. And the congressman is like, that's president, yes. Those huge, sexy positions, all sorts of room to make money after them, senators, a lot of them. But then you go down to congressman, and we're not even yet talking about all of the people who actually run the government. They're not the unelected positions that run the day-to-day sort of like machine and then you get into local politics and it's a complete nightmare in terms of the kind of people that

you're attracting it's like all of that needs to be harder to get into if we want these things to function i can get behind that you get paid a million dollars a year to be a congressman but you have to delete the robin hood account like or it's like a scale like as you get more powerful your salary becomes lower but at the ground floor ground level you're getting paid a lot of money for the people who actually run things who are there voting every day yeah then like a city like san francisco you just fire two-thirds of the people working for the government because they're literally not doing anything. They're going to work, they're fucking around on their computer, and they're going home. They're collecting a paycheck and a pension for the rest of their lives. So, no. whore of my being need to talk about kristen stewart um i actually i mean sajana river who wants to who wants to break it down for us what what happened okay i mean basically kristen stewart just had a cover shoot for rolling stone that came out yesterday um i mean she she gave a long

interview basically where she's promoting this lesbian movie she's in that's apparently coming out in a few weeks uh which has the tackiest movie title i've heard in a while called love lies bleeding oh god um oh god but yeah i mean basically kristen stewart uh is a lesbian and or she's dating a woman i guess her fiance's woman and she is doing this photo shoot uh as a super androgynous woman wearing like a jock strap she's got pictures of herself doing she's got a mullet pull up yeah she's got a mullet she's doing pull-ups she's like grabbing her crotch uh she's topless at one point and turned uh backs or backs towards the camera looks very androgynous and the interview the title of the interview is kristen stewart saying like i want to do the gayest fucking thing you've ever seen

and that's like the that's what the the article is called uh so pictures of kristen stewart go viral on twitter and there's a lot of pushback from I guess right-wing influencers on Twitter who are basically saying that this is what wokeness does to people. So like you have Ian Miles Chong who apparently has not yet been sentenced

for sedition. Arrested by the government of Malaysia for what is it? Anyway, we'll get to that later sedition yeah unclear what happened or if people were just calling him to be arrested but he said i don't wish him death but i don't wish him well either that's all right so so ian posts this picture of cillian murphy on the cover of uh of gq and uh is that how you say it cillian anyway christian stewart and uh he says what's with this new gender bending trend

all over the media? Men are women and women are men. When does this train stop? You know, Cillian Murphy catching strays. Like he's just trying to like live his life. Yeah. Like a skinny Irish guy. He does have like a signed female at birth face

a little bit, but like, that's just his face. It's not, he wasn't even really dressed like Androgynous. Yeah. And then, uh, Chris Russo, um, or Rufo,

sorry, makes a, he says he makes a comparison between Ellen Page and Kristen Stewart. Um, he says, uh, they put pictures of Ellen Page or Kristen Stewart under headlines with words like joy,

family, happiness, propaganda that intends to demoralize, sort of compares, I guess, Kristen Stewart's photo shoot with Elliot Page on the cover of Esquire. So there's this whole firestorm basically about Kristen Stewart. My broad take on it is just Kristen Stewart to me looks like a lesbian doing lesbian things. And I think the comparison with her and Elliot Page is kind of pernicious actually, because like Kristen Stewart is actually decidedly not doing the Elliot Page thing of like transitioning medically and, you know, Elliot Page honestly could have just been like a like an androgynous or butch lesbian or something, but chose to get on the medical path.

And Kristen Stewart is doing something different. And they're really not the same. Like one person is on cross-sex hormones the rest of their lives and got a mastectomy and did all these interventions. And Kristen Stewart is just being an androgynous woman and yet it provokes the same reaction clearly uh from from some people yeah i hate the idea that kristin stewart is doing something fundamentally new i think that her photo shoot was purposely provocative um but she's not doing we've had androgynous women forever uh famously like for you know beyond even in the 19th century right like you had these these uh famous portraits of like women in like

a suit and a top hat or whatever doing whatever it is that i don't know like this is we've seen this we've seen it again and again and again and uh she is a lesbian and lesbians exist and she has been a lesbian for a long time uh i i don't think that it's well then again i think maybe the problem here is we just kind of we like forgot that people think that gay stuff is also bad um and like that's what we're looking at here is a reaction i don't think wokeness did that to her i think that she is that is what she is um it's she was androgynous too it wasn't even like hard butch you know i i i my best friend uh since high school is a very very much lesbian and so is her sister and i live with them like i've been around like real butch lesbians where they're like hey can i borrow your clothes like like type of thing and like that's not really what like kristen stewart was doing like i don't

think anybody would have really mistook her for like man necessarily and she's still she had a mullet and i don't know she's like she's hot like she looks hot and like it and i i don't really uh i think that that's actually what bothered people is that she does look she has like she has an ice body she's there's like something kind of like sensual about her it's not actually like the gross like you know green haired like asexual gender fucks shit that people have been doing for a long time now for like purely political reasons i have nothing to do with sex like that photo shoot like drip sex and i think that's actually what triggered people a little bit is like they were like like they didn't they hadn't seen something like that in a while they hadn't seen somebody pull out the androgynous thing in like a sexy way and i think it um uh made a lot of people uh

bothered she had that there's something psychological going on over her breasts um in a way that is like classically feminine and uh like you see this in in sort of straight classically feminine and uh like you see this in in sort of straight straighter photo shoots uh quite a lot and um that i agree it's like what is really like what is actually the man part of her like there's nothing like she's wearing a jockstrap but it's like a cute that she has a mullet but like it's still long hair it's a weird haircut but she she hasn't changed her body to be she's like distorted her body chemically or physically with surgery or whatever else um she's just giving something that we haven't seen in a minute because there's been a lot of lesbian erasure the last like over

the last five years um like we just straight up forgot that softball players existed but guess what folks they're here and they're queer and they're not going anywhere no matter how bad it makes you um brandon kink was doing stuff like this in the early aughts and she's not even a lesbian right yeah and people loved it brandon i want to know um you are the uh you're a straight guy man like you're our we gotta i think there's an open question right now and this is hard i in the comments i really need to hear this too and i feel like i'm this one i'm gonna get i know i'm gonna get roasted uh is she actually is she hot is this hot is it not is it confusing it is a hot and confusing way is

it i know you're also married so maybe you can't talk about it i will just say that matt our video guy he did comment on this before i started i want to represent him he's like you're he's a he's a another straight guy and he like another 100 straight guy i should say and he um did not find it hot but was a caveat and he's like this is not disgusting it's like i just am interested in a different kind of girl um brand what do you think i don't care man i i don't know uh allowed to say that's the real thing i'm i'm perfectly allowed to say i i just don't i like don't i don't have a take i i guess my what my experience of this was i i saw one tweet and i'm more interested in that ian michael chong guy but um what anyways yeah so i saw a side by side of the rolling stone kristen stewart with twilight kristen stewart where twilight kristen stewart looks much more i don't know wholesome and like

all american maybe you could see in her eyes you i always knew she was a lesbian yeah she's got and straighter she looks straighter i suppose i would say and to me she's hotter in twilight but i like matt like i understand i mean i could i could also be attracted to the uh the rolling stone christian christian stewart what does he i think this is like this is just a tribal situation i think there's also the potential that Kristen Stewart look like is on generally the, the, the right side of the culture war. Like what you brought up Sanji about like how Elliot's page, I keep wanting to say Elliot Smith, Elliot page, um, literally transitioned medically. Um, lesbians are like, no'm a lesbian not trans right and so i can see like kristin maybe is sort of that type of person oh yeah you know that she has closeted turf views like a hundred right oh yeah you get her alone and she's like we got to get these trans

people out of lesbian bars like a hundred percent i used to i used to um i used to see her in los feliz at bars getting trashed not lesbian bars because i didn't go to those but normal bars that's my that's my my other she seems cool i just i would like to hang out with kristen stewart that's yeah i've surprised that people were bringing up the twilight uh pictures as like, she was so much hotter before because I've always felt like she looked kind of dowdy a little bit in those in Twilight. If you want like peak feminine Kristen Stewart, you have to go to Spencer where she played Princess Diana and looked gorgeous and also weirdly like Princess Diana in a way that I didn't expect.

But see, they don't have any culture. They don't even know that she played Princess Diana. That's too much of a deep cut, I think. Let's cap it off, actually. I know that none of us have prepared to talk about any of Miles Chong, but I saw a massive trend yesterday about people just rooting for him to die like

super excited about him being executed by the government of malaysia uh ian miles chong is this malaysian influence i think it's malaysia right he's a malaysian influencer he's never from what i've read he's never been to america he's a huge sort of right-wing account online and uh he just caught like you know he's on every single elon musk tweet like with a comment and uh he's got like all of your sort of hard right opinions that he's he's sending out there but for some reason he crossed the the uh the people of his nation with his israel palestine takes which i believe are maybe too pro-israel i was my sense of the controversy he was too pro-israel and um they're trying to have him tried for sedition and um that's just fucking crazy like everything about him is crazy to me

the fact that he exists the fact that he writes about a country he's never been to the fact that he's so popular the fact that he's now maybe going to be put in jail. Thoughts about Ian Miles Chong? Yeah, I just think he's a really interesting specimen. He's an interesting phenomenon. The fact that this guy can exist, he's got tons of followers on Twitter. He has almost a million followers. And he basically spends all day amplifying just Red Meat for the Culture Wars content in the context of mainly the US and Canada. Because I think he works for, does he work for Rebel News? Or am I, I might be wrong about that. But he talks a lot about stuff going on in the US and Canada. And it's like, of course,

this Israel-Palestine issue, he's, you know, amplifying right-wing talking points, American right-wing talking points about it, in a way that falls afoul of Malaysia's majority Muslim population. And it's just, like, bizarre. And, I mean, it's not hilarious, because I do think it's kind of bad that people are actually calling for him to be charged a sedition um but he's a weirdo i think uh so i think we just to clarify i'm looking at a time magazine article from yesterday and this is apparently just a big rumor and chong denies that anything is happening to him that the government has taken any action against him was it just a crazy viral joke it was it was a viral there was one viral tweet and everybody started making memes about him getting executed but the viral the thing that's funny about it is like

they're so people hate this guy so much that all it took was one article that literally said malaysian netizens are calling for him to be tried with sedition like there was no evidence that this had actually been heard by anyone in the malaysian government there's no evidence there was like a movement for this to happen it was just like a bunch of people in malaysia were like let's get this guy tried for sedition and then everyone on twitter is like yeah fuck ian miles john um i was saying on his christian spirit tweet there's all these people who are commenting like ian would never have said this when he was alive like um it would be crazy if the malaysians did it just to like get an internet win because you don't hear about them much you know what i mean like they did it as like maybe some sort of tourism thing they're like

they're like come see his public execution they'll do like they'll build like an olympic stadium for it or you know it sounds it sounds like in december malaysian police did arrest a 36 year old guy for supporting the establishment of malaysia israel ties according to time magazine so uh it's not it's not out of the realm of possibility that any closing thoughts on uh on ian miles chong um on christian stewart on the hotness or not of christian on vladimir putin on the giant whore what was it, the ripped Vladimir, ripped, he was not ripped, but the Vladimir Putin on the

horse shot. I'm just babbling at this point. Guys, it's been real. I want you to get in the comments and tell me if Kristen Stewart is hot or not. I'll talk to you next week. Later. Sorry, we're back. This is a red alert for pirate wires um yesterday tweet goes out

about a preschool teacher who gets fired and that this all the tweet says preschool teacher fired for like an only fans account okay the picture that is linked like no comment at all is of one rachel dolezal um you click in and i learned a lot that i didn't know i didn't know that rachel had i didn't know she was a teacher uh i didn't know that she had an only fans account i didn't know that she changed her name to what is it sanjana uh it is nikichi diallo so rachel dolezal for anyone who is just crawling out of iraq and were completely forgets mandela affected away i don't know um this is the woman who went down for being white but pretending she was black and like running the naacp in her hometown or whatever it was um and then instead of like just saying sorry or pretending it didn't happen or just going away

uh she came out as transracial and and in so doing totally and permanently infuriated um well the left the the right was sort of anti her until this happened and then i think that my gauge of the right at that point was like kind of how it felt about chris and stewart like didn't know how to deal with it. Mind blown. Like can no longer talk about it. But Rachel's the butt of every joke online now. I feel at this point bad for her. I don't know. Rough thoughts about Rachel's OnlyFans firing.

Yeah, I feel badly for her. It is kind of a bizarre choice to make when you get like globally lampooned for lying about your identity. And you then, then i guess go underground and start teaching she's working in after she was working in an after-school program i think um and changed her name and you know moved states and things like that to then do an only fans account um it just seems like a bad decision to me because i would think you'd get exposed

eventually like people are going to recognize you um so yeah i mean she's clearly mentally unwell i don't think so i don't know i've seen her that is an extremely poor decision making you're a preschool teacher you looked at a little bit of mental wellness to you know go to the gym she's clearly in the gym she's you know her subscriber counting up the transracial shit she's dug her heels and that's why i respect her yeah most people would be like i'm going to find i sorry i'll go back to being a white woman but she was like nope i'm not doing it i am black and i kind of respect it there's this one like formal very formal seeming interview of hers. And it's not, it wasn't with what's her face on the today show.

But in my mind, I remember it that way. It was like some like very elite kind of day to daytime talk show host who was talking to her about her, her, her trans racialism. And she really had to like, she made the case.

It was crazy and wrong, but she made it. It was, I mean, someone, someone had to do it. um it was crazy and wrong but she made it it was uh um i mean someone someone had to do it i guess there was a documentary about her that i watched uh i kind of feel bad for her a little bit because like her reasons for doing it are really like psychological like basically her parents were her telling of it anyway which seemed genuine is that her parents

were super abusive but she had all these like adopted black siblings from africa and they were like really really close and so she was just like it was like a weird coping mechanism or something to like i want to be like my siblings because they're like the only people i have or so it was like it seems very sad but um i mean she did ever tell you that my husband okay so i brought up rachel doles or i brought up condoleezza rice one time the former secretary of state under bush i can't remember what i said it's something about condoleezza oh no we're watching the uh racial draft like that famous dave chapelle and they brought up condoleezza rice he was was like, isn't that that lady who pretended to be black? And I was like, you mean Rachel Dolezal? And he was like, no, Condoleezza Rice. I was like, no. I was like the secretary of state.

And he was like, yeah, I was like, baby, no. Like I was like, you thought that the secretary of state, like our chief architect of the Iraq war millions dead was a white woman pretending to be a black woman.

And like, we just moved on from that. I was like, we would never talk about anything else you truly believed it man it seems like a peaceful state of mind though like i know he sleeps well at night um yeah i feel bad for rachel man i think that she for whatever reason she did what she did and then got caught up in the trans stuff like many sort of unsuspecting to online people but just took it to a weird place that pissed off everybody um and she became this she's this kind of person who

we all agree it's okay to hate which ian miles strong is very different because he and miles strong is um he's out there every single day i i like he's he's making a case for a politics that maybe you don't like rachel's not she's kind of living her own life for that she's not a she's like on twitter every day talking she's not um like a politician she's not famous she's not rich um but she is famous well she you're right yes she's infamous um but she's not like yeah she's not rich um but she is famous well she you're right yes she's infamous um but she's not like yeah she's like a celebrity who's getting lots of positive attention we're mad about it like she just um she's a witch that we burned and now it's kind of happening again it is she does do it to herself well she has an only fan like there's no way that people subscribe to her

didn't know that she was rachel dolezal i have questions about the people who subscribe like another what are they into kids to feed you know that they're into rachel dolezal they get their subscribers yes i mean there's you have a niche you're into trans racial porn there's exactly one woman exactly yeah she owns the market for sure she's zero to one baby she's a monopoly company she's dominating the market uh no one can follow her i yeah i remember we might have to edit this out because it might be a little too hot for youtube but i remember on like seeing this guy getting ratioed to death on black twitter like a year ago because

their only fans have been out for a while it was like she was launching her only fans and he like quote tweeted and he was like and like he was just getting ratio and they were coming for him so bad and i was like you know what live your truth man if i feel i don't know it i feel very not a part this has nothing to do with me. I didn't say it. I didn't endorse it. I don't understand it. I don't know if it is. I haven't seen it, but I'm just, you know, he seemed like his honest assessment and he stood by it.

He did not delete the tweet. Well, guys, it's been real. I'll see you next week. I was trying to think of something funny to say, but there's... Who can follow Rachel Dolezal? Godspeed.