Pirate Wires - Total Victory: Trump's Landslide Win (ft. Bridget Phetasy) Dems In Shambles, Vibe Shift In America

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

EPISODE #76:bWe’re back! We got your election reaction episode this week. Bridget Phetasy joins us to break down everything. Trump completes the flawless victory, the media melts down, the Dems are a mess, and what will we see in the next 4 years of a Trump Presidency. Featuring Mike Solana, Brandon Gorrell, Riley Nork, Bridget Phetasy We have partnered with Polymarket! Download the Polymarket: Election Forecast app https://apps.apple.com/us/app/polymarket-election-forecast/id6648798962 - Disclaimer: Not Financial Advice, For Entertainment Purposes Only. Sign Up For The Pirate Wires Daily!  https://get.piratewires.com/pw/daily https://piratewires.co/free_newsletter Topics Discussed: https://www.piratewires.com/p/total-victory Pirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWires Mike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolana Brandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrell Riley Twitter: https://x.com/rylzdigital Bridget Twitter: https://x.com/BridgetPhetasy TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Welcome Back To The Pod! 1:15 - Election Episode! Trump's Landslide Victory 26:20 - The Prediction Markets Beat Traditional Polling - Sponsored By Polymarket 33:38 - Media Meltdown - Blames Racism, Latinos, and Black Men 44:50 - The Left Is In Disarray 1:06:00 - The Next 4 Years - What Do We Expect From The Trump Presidency?  #podcast #trump #technology #politics #culture

There's misogyny, but it's not just misogyny from white men. It's misogyny from Hispanic men. F**k around and find out. You opened the border and let in between 10 and 20 million, what, illegal immigrants. The idea that they thought Americans were going to watch the state wield all of its power. F**k around and find out. Just the things people are saying and they're, you know, women are like, go off your birth control, delete your apps. That white women in this country have to change the way that they interact with the patriarchy. I think the general theme was Kamala did nothing what's up guys welcome back to the pod thank you for giving us that extra week while we were at hereticon bridget fetishy in the house who is also at hereticon the uh mc extraordinaire cracking

jokes at all of our expense but probably no one's expense more than Brian Johnson, the immortal man. That was fun. Thank you for doing that. And thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. What an exciting time. I mean, you obviously, listen, this is maybe Matt, like give us some kind of America fireworks flag in the background. This is the election episode. That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. obviously we had to talk about it um one of the reasons i really wanted bridget here today other than the fact that she is just a funny brilliant gem of a human being is I noticed that you got in this really interesting dust up with the heterodox people, which we're going to talk about a little bit later, who felt it was just really insane that you wouldn't vote for the same person they were voting for. Before we get into that, though, I think that we probably just should tee up what happened on Tuesday.

And it was just a wild, overwhelming Trump victory. It was a comeback. The man lost the last election or some would say had it stolen. I don't know if anyone in this chat would say that. He certainly won this last one. We kind of felt it early on in the night. It was, I don't know, you just like felt the vibe, right? It just didn't. Once those first results started coming in, nothing even changed. I'm not sure what it was. I just, I had a gut feeling. And let's just go through some of the stuff that we saw. So obviously he won the electoral college, but then he sort of critically won the popular vote. I think psychologically, that's really important for the country. It also hasn't happened in 20 years. There were all of these strange anecdotes coming in from around the country. One of the first ones I saw that really shocked me was

Miami-Dade. Miami-Dade County hasn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1988. It was plus 11 Trump. You had plus Matt, our producer, Matt in the pod mentioned before the show started, or maybe it was in our Slack. New York City obviously went Kamala, but swung nine points in Trump's direction. Every single swing state was won by Trump. You saw huge gains among Latinos and black men as well. You saw one of the craziest ones for me was young men, 18 to 29 plus 30. There was like a 30 point. I think it was a 30 point swing. You had huge gains also in blue states.

So no one's going to talk about New Jersey because, you know, went Kamala. But the fact that it came so close, you saw, you saw gains all throughout the state and different counties that used to be Biden counties that are now Trump counties. And you just saw like a narrow margin. I think it was like plus four that Kamala might have taken it by. You saw gains in Virginia. And then there's a story in California. So I'm in Los Angeles right now. The pro crime DA, Gascon, I think his last name is, was fired. You had Prop 36 pass, which recriminalizes or it makes, once again, theft of merchandise under $950 or something. When you go in and you ransack a store, that's now a felony again. So this is this sort of like

make crime illegal again policy passed. I think it was like by 40 points. It was, again, an overwhelming victory up in San Francisco. Mayor Breed fired up in Oakland. You had the mayor and the DA both recalled. It was a massive sort of, I mean, around the country route, I would say. The House is now in the balance. It looks like it's going to go Republican. The Senate is in the hands of

the Republicans and Donald Trump. And there's a lot to talk about. I think the question for you guys right off the bat is just, how do you see this? Are you seeing this as more of a Trump victory or a loss for Democrats? It feels like a, I mean, both, I think, I think, why not both? I think it feels like a Trump victory. Obviously the popular vote I agree is psychologically important for the country, but also for him. I think it makes him see, you know, he was that thing that he wanted so badly in 2016. And it does feel like a loss on the left because reality really, everything you just ran through is really examples of reality reasserting itself in a way that I've been kind of waiting for in America. But I think it feels like the grownups stepped in and were like, okay, enough of all this nonsense. We let you guys say that men could

get pregnant and now we're done. All right. We've had enough of this silliness. And we let you guys loot stores for a while. But it does feel like there's a little bit of a pushback from just... The silent majority spoke up. Yeah. riley brandon what are you guys i mean you're both in la what is the what is your sense of the vibe uh i'm here i happen to be here this week but but not typically so break it down for me what was it usually like there i mean what have people been saying what is the reaction so i live in glendale which is a majority i don't know if it's majority armenian has the the largest population of Armenians in the country. And they're, they're pretty, they are on the base side of things. Um, my personally, my neighborhood was full of Kamala

signs that are all gone today. Um, I saw a tweet like today, which I didn't believe somebody said, like today which i didn't believe somebody said somebody's tweeting like you know in my community i can't say that i voted for kamala because it would be you know like i would get you know quote unquote canceled oh my god i think the opposite still remains here um anybody who voted for trump is not talking about the fact that they voted for trump if you just saw today that uh on twitter i saw on my trending section that like newsom has like convened like policymakers in california um preemptively to like fortify california from like the attack on democracy that trump is is you know ostensibly preparing so um i don't you know like

i haven't like gone out to bars since the election i don't like know what the vibe is but like my my expectation is like this is going to be a sanctuary city um from like the actual realignment that's actually that's actually happening across it's crazy because when you said that newsom convened policymakers i i assumed he's a smart politician. I assumed it was something along the lines of he read the room and gathered people together and said, hey, if we don't take care of some of these really deranged policy positions, we are at risk of losing the state. And maybe it seems like no. to go off of what Bridget, what you were saying before, um, in, in terms of, it seems like the adults are in the room

kind of vibe. I had a, a similar feeling. It's sort of, I think if I had to distill what happened on Tuesday into one piece, I mean, obviously Trump is funny and he has his core group of fans who love him and the memes were on point, But I really think that it was a kind of, you know, fuck around and find out type election. It was like you opened the border and let in between 10 and 20 million what illegal immigrants. We don't even know that number. First of all, like that's crazy, by the way, that you don't know that number. You then paid these people with taxpayer dollars for their rent and their food while Americans were struggling to pay their own rent because of economic policies of yours. Fuck around and find out.

You know, America had to watch a biological man beat the shit out of a woman at the Olympics and then was gaslit when we said, hey, this seems off, right? Like, fuck around and find out. There's all the lawfare stuff I was thinking about. Like the idea that they thought Americans were going to watch the state wield all of its power against not only the front runner opposition candidate, but all of his allies, many of whom by the way, went to jail and be more afraid of him than them is delusional. Like fuck around and find out. There was a whole list of things like that. And I think that you could really say there are basic, there are these three very, very basic, basic, basic things. It's the border, it's crime,

and it's the economy. And I think these are roughly the things that you would term a part of the social contract, the bare minimum of what you expect from the state. It's why we sacrifice rights to the state. It's why we give them taxpayer dollars. And when you don't take care of those three things, you are breaking your side of the deal. Your government is no longer legitimate. There was a massive route, and I think it was on those grounds. Republicans probably would be... I think they would be very, they should not think of this as a victory for them. It's a victory for Trump. And it is really an indictment, I think, of the shirking of responsibilities that we've seen for many years. Like, as you said,

it was, we're talking about rioting. That was 2020 that began. And it's kind of, this feels like the end of that period of time in American politics to me, I hope. Yeah. I think if you are to say it's more of a Trump victory than a Democrat loss, what you would look to is look to his strategy. And, you know, I've, I've never been more happy to say I was wrong when we talked about the podcast campaign strategy for Trump earlier. I, I had skepticism. I thought this wasn't a reliable voting demographic. It's risky. It may blow up in his face. And instead, it proved to be pretty genius. I mean, like the Zoomer bros turned out in full force with massive swings to the right, like you mentioned. And it's just an incredible swing. And, you know,

we'll get into this topic later, I'm sure. But just the erosion of trust in mainstream media really left the door open for podcasts to sort of fill the void. And, you know, they proved to be far more influential than I thought they'd be. I guess, sorry, Baron for doubting you. I guess he was sort of the architect of that strategy and his grandpa's a year about that one. But yeah, I guess, you know, like to quote the title of a previous Solana banger, like we really are the media now. And that's kind of crazy. Did you see Elon say that? He actually, he said, uh, I think he might've said like, you are the media now or something, but it was, it was very pirate wires coded. I was like, let's go. The man is, the man is reading.

He's paying attention. Um, yeah, I agree. The podcast thing important. This was the podcast election. You know, this, this was you, if you just, and we, we had that whole chart in our last episode of just the podcast that people had done. Media is fragmented now. We know this and we can get into it now, but it's totally fragmented. And so you can't just go to the New York Times, which is obviously on your side, and expect them to send out your story. You have to go to all of these different sort of siloed off audiences, Joe Rogan being one of the biggest that Kamala didn't care about. But I wonder if you just counted the number of podcasts and the number of listeners on those podcasts and compare the two Kamalas to Trump's, I wonder what you

would see. I think the only thing you could glean from that is like, of course, Trump won. He worked harder. That's another piece of the story that maybe is not, it's kind of ignored. And this happened during the Hillary campaign as well, where Trump just works. He really does work a lot. He is, he's touring, touring, touring, touring, touring. He's hitting every single location. He's talking to everybody. He's dipping in from like, you know, a rally over in wherever the hell in Pennsylvania, then he's going to McDonald's and doing his tour or whatever. Then he's hitting Joe Rogan. And I mean, Kamala had days, I think like on her birthday, I don't think she did anything. And it just seemed, I don't know. She just didn't want it as much as my opinion. I still think that about her. I don't think she wants this. I think that she's going to open a restaurant in Napa and it'll be great. I'm going to go. And that's what she

should do. I'm happy for her. Bye. It's interesting, the podcasting, because it was so siloed, I feel like it did make it hard to tell. A lot of us were like, it feels like Trump is going to win. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kamala did, because I know that I'm in a bubble and I don't know. And I try to pay attention to the other bubbles, but because everything was so stratified, you really couldn't get like a good idea of the pulse. You could get a sense, but it was, I was very much burned in 2022 thinking for sure there would be a red wave and then was very wrong about that at the midterm. So this time around, I think I was a lot more measured in terms of my confidence and my gut feeling on the temperature of America. And it turns out my gut feeling was right for really the past four years I've been seeing this trend. But all of that,

everybody being so dispersed makes it harder to, I think, be confident in your ability to predict anything. Yes. I felt the same sense of not knowing going into it where I really was doubting myself. My gut also was, it seems like I have all of these friends who voted for Biden who are now voting for Trump. I've traveled a bit throughout the country. I see Trump support everywhere. I was looking at just all the rallies and the enthusiasm and then certainly what we all feel online, all the podcasts, everything on X. Um, but then you have these, you have, you have the New York times, you, you have drudge report, which is sort of, I mean, used to be the sort of rogue guys and now they're just totally Trump deranged. They're like the wild version of the mainstream

media now, like a little bit edgy, but they are obviously pro-Harris and they're citing polls, which we're going to talk to in a second in our polymarket segment. But all the polls were, what, a coin toss to slightly leaning towards Kamala. And I thought, man, it was one of our friends, Ryan, um, uh, Brandon, our friend, Ryan, he said, I don't know what's right right now. And I, and I'm, I'm not going to know, I think until the election, I don't know. Someone, someone is lying to us. Like, like, like we're going to learn a lot when this election happens. lying to us like like we're gonna learn a lot when this election happens and i went in with a giant question mark and until really those first few moments when i when the when the results started coming in and then i knew that uh you know that the right wing the twitter thing the sort of retardosphere right there were a lot of conspiracy theories there was a lot of made-up bullshit there were a lot of fake celebrity endorsements there was a lot of conspiracy theories. There was a lot of made up bullshit. There were a lot of fake celebrity endorsements. There was a lot of weird made up sex scandals. It's a garbage dump, that ecosystem of like newsletters and alternative media sites and x.com and podcasts. But in within

that garbage, it contains everything. Like it contains all of the garbage and all of the truth. And you have to just be able to navigate that. And in contrast, what you see from the sort of much weaker now, mainstream media that, that like sort of legacy press, the sort of state voice on from the New York times, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, like all those people is not that it's not the truth. It's a, it's a single perspective. It is, I think you could steel man it and say, they don't mean to be so biased. They didn't mean to get it to get it wrong. They just, they just were blinded maybe by what they, they hoped for. But one thing I know for sure is I didn't, I didn't get the answers from them. I got it from, from the garbage dump. I think one of the things that I think you saw just to,

to continue with the postmortem on the, on the Trump victory is like, when you have these memes going around, like women saying that, that if a trump victory is going to basically cancel out women's rights for good um you know like i think what we saw is like that represents the left basically like running on like narrative messages like fumes right because like just simply wasn't real yeah um i asked perplexity like you know um you know give me a list of times that Trump and Vance denied that they would support a federal election, uh, sorry, a federal abortion, uh, ban. And I got like a list of eight times with, you know, sources from CBS, NBC, uh, you know, like NPR every place, you know? And it's like, so when so when you have these narratives that like are actually just

substanceless, I think it actually doesn't, it doesn't work. And I think that's what we saw. And I saw this great tweet about the situation where it was basically just like fake, the federal abortion ban. And somebody said, these people don't believe that, they believe that they ought to believe that and i think that that perfectly describes how the left larps and what the what like you know like what the left larps looks like and i think um i think that doesn't have much power actually in the end i think that's what we saw with trump i think that's 100 true i think on on the the uh the abortion stuff in particular that was also just interesting where we were told that was really really important and all of the data we've seen since the election indicates that

it really, really wasn't. And it makes sense when you break it down because who really demographically cares about that? It happens to be one of the few demographics that voted for Democrats, which is college educated women. And so it's like you have these, you have black women voted overwhelmingly for Harris. So did black men, but just way fewer of them than they did for Biden. Like there was this huge Trump surge. And then you have college educated white women, um, who are voting and college educated white women really do seem to care about the abortion. I think it's like if you could care about abortion and other things, I always think about, you know, what women's rights, you know, or women's interests, like what is in women's interests? And I feel like, well, the border is like, aren't there women who care about the border? Are there women who care about the economy? Aren't there women who go grocery shopping and realize like everything's really expensive right now and their rent is really expensive and you're

not allowed to build housing. And like, if you get mugged get mugged outside, you can't get justice. Don't women care about that? And it's like, yes, I think a lot of women are just people and they care about these things that people, Americans care about, is my sense. But we have a woman in the pod today. What is your sense speaking as a woman right now? I was joking before the election because I got burned in 2022. It was right after Roe v. Wade. And I thought that people would be very mad about the lockdowns, the draconian. I thought they'd punish their governments for so much of the COVID overreach.

And I had to come to terms with the fact that it was preference bias. And also just on the heels of Roe v. Wade, preference bias and also just the, the, on the heels of Roe v. Wade, the whole abortion thing was so, um, it, it just was so in the mainstream and I kept joking like bitches love abortions. I was like, never underestimate how many, how much bitches love abortions. But I will say the fact that I could even make that joke, it's almost, it almost points to just how much resistance to that idea there is i my generation i think is the first generation that came we really were the first sexually liberated generation i'm i'll be 40 oh gosh old i'm like 45 so i was the first generation and a lot of us have it was like drilled into us that that was almost part of

your identity, you know, being pro-choice. And it wasn't really until my 30s I even knew anyone pro-life. I never had to interrogate that belief. It was installed in me before I really even had a chance to interrogate it at all. And I think the younger generation has a little bit of that, but they're not also having as much sex just from a numbers perspective as we were. So I don't know if it's that important to them from just a practical perspective, but they're also just more like the kids, the younger kids are just more engaged in the culture wars in a way that I never was because they're on TikTok and they're getting all this stuff. And I actually think they're exposed to more diversity of opinion than even I was as a young person. So they're not,

I don't know that they're all being like brainwashed in the same way that I was around this topic. And I also think that women that they rely on to be kind of brainwashed in the same way that I was around this topic. And I also think that women that they rely on to be kind of brainwashed have aged out of worrying about that. And we're worried about groceries. We're worried about crime. We're worried about our kids being in a bathroom with a dude or some boy competing against our daughters at sports, the generation that really was very pro-choice and they could rely on to like, you know, it's like that little like, I don't know, it's like a trigger

that goes off in your brain where you're like, this is all that matters. We got older. And it's not the most important thing anymore. Abortion was never an issue that was won by the voters. It wasn't a law that was passed. It was decided by a court because there wasn't enough popularity there to do it. So if we're going back to the state pre-Roe and things have been locked forever since no other no other political or cultural issue seems to be like this where you know gay stuff and uh civil rights like you you you move on very quickly

generations move on very quickly and normalized they sort of upload the new culture and that's it and abortion has never been like that it's always been pretty divided and we just haven't really thought about it because of row and now it's back and people I think are kind of ambivalent on, I think most people want some degree of protection in like the earlier stage and then they get confused on the later stage and just don't want to think about it. And when you compound that with the fact that there are states where you just have abortion rights, like the huge liberal states, you're good to go. You can have all the abortions you want. So what demo are we really talking about now? I think we're talking about this very small demographic of women who not only... Now it's college-educated white women

who not only want abortions in their state, but the freedom to abort in every state. And that's just like, that's not an important, like in terms electorally, that's not an important demographic. It's a very small demographic that, uh, that didn't certainly in this election did not matter. Yeah. Aren't they, didn't they enshrine it in like 10 more States on the, on this election. So at the state level, it does lose a lot of the time other than maybe Florida, this, this selection cycle, but but that that people I think seem to be OK with it being at the state level because it generally if there's any chance of expanding it, it wins. And if you're trying to restrict it, it loses. So it's a pretty it's been this is why I think so many people thought that it would be losing at the federal level in such a powerful message because it loses for Republicans every time, everywhere. They basically hadn't won anything since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Yeah. I mean, I think for sure, if you're trying to do like a total ban, it's a loser. Yeah. you're going to, it's, it's a loser. Um, I just, I was going to say that, um, I would love to see like a state by state breakdown of the, um, the women who voted for Kamala and, um, whose primary concern was the abortion ban. Cause my, my, my theory there would be that most of them live in states where abortion is like, like they have the most permissible abortion laws i don't know if anybody's seen anything to the contrary um but i yeah i have the feeling that uh it was mostly like liberal women and liberal states voting uh voting along these lines let's

talk about i mean this is one of this is our polymarket segment thank you polymarket for giving us money and uh supporting the work valuable, incredible work that we men of taste do here for you at Pirate Wires. But this is a special Polymarket segment. We had, I think, one more like this recently. And Polymarket has just been a big part of the election. And we were going to talk about it regardless. And we have to talk about it regardless. Because we really saw um this

interesting set parallel to the election you had this other contest between ways of learning about what was happening in the election and there was the pulling of it all which tended to have things a coin toss or lean kamala a few times leaning trump but kamala at the end it was leaning kamala uh and you had the betting markets which really split about a month ago and never turned back it was just a trump train all the way until the night of and then it was a jump from you know 69 to 75 90 and here we are today uh in the lead up to the election, polymarket garnered significant attention as Donald Trump's odds surged. Some Democrats alleged that Republican donors were manipulating the market, a topic our guest John Coogan addressed

in the previous episode. It was later revealed that a French trader known as Theo was behind substantial pro-Trump bets on Polymarket. Theo employed unconventional polling methods, we learned recently, such as asking individuals who they believed their neighbors would vote for. And as election results began to come in, Polymarket's odds for Trump increased rapidly, outpacing traditional media on state-by-state reporting. In the end, the final electoral map mirrored Polymarket's predictions from October 25th, highlighting the platform's accuracy in forecasting the election outcome. It was really a total victory for them. here. We talked about it last week because this is how people say that Peter Thiel is secretly pulling the strings behind everything. And it's this long convoluted chain of people that get back to Shane, who's still in charge of his company. But I talked to them about this and

I said, it seems this is pretty... If it doesn't play out like you say it is, it seems pretty bad. I myself would feel confused about it and I would have to do some introspection here. There've been a couple of things on the markets that have confused me and this would be a big one because it was such a sharp divide. But in the end, it was Nate Silver's. I think he said, I ran 80,000 simulations and 40,0 12 of them or something leaned Kamala. He was the one who had a really, a pretty, I think, and I like Nate, feel bad for him. I think he had a pretty rough night on Tuesday.

It was a victory for Pauly Market. And he lost to Keith. Dude, pull up the tweet, Matt. Pull up the tweet. That was, first of all, so Keith, there's no way he actually took him up on the bet keith is saying you know keith says florida is going to be uh won by i think 10 to 12 points but minimum eight and uh by trump and nate is just you know you're huffing gas he's reading the polls he's he's reading constant polls he's like you don't know what you're huffing gas. He's reading the polls. He's, he's reading constant polls. He's like, you don't know what you're talking about. I thought, I thought Nate was correct. I thought, yeah, Keith is a, he's doesn't know what he's talking about. Uh, Nate, I think is really

misunderstood by a lot of people who think, oh, you miss, you mispredicted Hillary versus Trump, you idiot or whatever. He's a really smart guy. He's a really principled guy. He's a really sober guy. And I was wrong. I was wrong. And Keith was right. And I know he didn't make the bet because that's just not the kind of, I don't think, I just don't think he did correct me if I'm wrong. You know, if anyone knows that I'm happy to issue a correction here, but I doubt he made the bet. He should have though. And it was a huge, huge victory for that guy. And again, yeah, bad night for Nate. One thing I struggle with, with prediction markets that I've been thinking about a lot since the election is like, of what value, I mean, it's like, what are we supposed to do

with a prediction market when, like, let's say four weeks before the election, right? Because there's a time-based component where it's like prediction markets aren't actually, they're not going to predict something. They just predict what would happen given all the current information. And if we're, you know, like, so that's a fun, there's a huge function of time here that we never talk about. And so like when you, it's almost like polymarket, polymarket every single time is going to resolve to, it's going to resolve to the right outcome because it's not predicting an outcome. It's just people placing bets on an outcome. So that's something that I've been sort of perennially sort of confused by with Polymarket is like, when should I take the prediction most seriously? Because there could be like a late last minute surprise that completely changes everybody's feelings about what's going to happen even those in the market and that changes

everything so um that's just like one of these things like i just like kind of don't understand i don't know if you have any thoughts on that but i think that we're just going to learn i mean there still is a chance that it was a fluke or something and i just i don't think so i think it's just a new part of the information ecosystem and we have to run it a bunch of times, you know, we have to just keep looking at it and keep seeing where, where it's right and where it's wrong. And then assessing why we think it's wrong. Um, the thing that we know for sure has been wrong, you know, a handful of times now are the polls and, uh, and the polls that are probably a part of the problem there is just, you know, the polls that are amplified, but that's where I turned to someone like Nate who really does do the work.

And, um, and still, I don't think these results were just not reflected in the polling data. They were, they were not, not, not something like this. Um, yeah, I mean, they were categor not not something like this um yeah i mean they were categorically useless the 40 000 or the 80 000 simulations that was a categorically useless observation i thought and and so i did i was just like well what do we do with this like i understand i like nate too i don't know him personally but i have a lot of respect for him um but i just couldn't make up or down or what he was saying. It was like, okay, well, if this is what your model is telling us, then... And then this was the outcome, right? Like a soft blowout. Well, what is the value of the model? Yeah. I also saw...

The value of the underlying data. I don't know. Those polls become the backbone of the analysis spread through the press. What's left of the mainstream press. You have like the New York times daily on the morning of the election saying, uh, well, it could be a blowout for Trump or for Kamala, or it could be close. Um, you have, uh, like truly they, they hit all of them in the podcast. It was crazy. I'm like, why would you even publish this? This is bizarre. Like you could also just not make a prediction i didn't make a prediction i don't know what the fuck's gonna happen democracy is chaos anything could happen i have no idea i went in like let's see what's gonna happen um but then you had caris swisher predicting a blowout for kamala uh and

then pivoting pretty quickly and like this takes us to our media meltdown segment of the of the podcast i think there's a there's an interpretation here of the MSNBCs and the New York Times continuing to double down on the election outcome and representing that everybody in America is racist and that we all knowingly voted in a fascist and all that, where they're just saving face now and they're going to quietly change their positions over time um and i'm hoping that's that's what it is and also a lot of them are going to be fired i think like like a lot like the what's that joy and reed lady like i don't i agree i think i was watching her so we're now entering our media meltdown segment the media melted down long story short there was a bit of a meltdown. Not everybody

melted down. I think there was some sobriety out there. I saw a lot of interesting stuff. There were people like Derek Thompson of the Atlantic. And I mean, I saw lots of just interesting people being thoughtful as some do after an election. I was surprised by the New York Times, which seemed to become much darker than they were before the election. Tuesday morning was one story, just sort of muted. I found myself going to the Times a lot this election, looking just for raw facts. It still is in my cycle of news sources. It's like X, it's the New York Times, it's Drudge Report, it's Washington Post. I'll check if I really just want to be annoyed about something. And then threads if I really want to laugh at something. And then

usually just what people are sending me in our Slack channel. But Wednesday morning, it was an authoritarian is rising and the darkness descends and these are really scary pictures and headline after headline after headline. I was surprised by that and less surprised by the Joanne Reed thing, which, Brandon, if you want to describe what she was talking about. I think the general theme was Kamala did nothing wrong, but America did. And this will be the second opportunity that white women in this country have to change the way that they interact with the patriarchy. And, you know, God bless Shannon Watts who has tried to have that conversation. What is the meme?

It's, it's, it's, no, it's not me. It's, it's the children. It's the children who are wrong. It's the, yeah. Oh, I love that. It's the Latinos who are racist. It's the Latinos who are racist. Latino races. Yeah. Yeah. Which Al Sharpton and Joe Scarborough, um, that they actually had a clip go viral,

um, where they were both blaming, um, black men and Latino men, uh, for being misogynist and racist, um, against Kamala.

And that's why they didn't, um, they didn't, they didn't swing her way. So there's a lot of that. I just say really quickly too, Democrats need to be mature and they need to be honest.

And they need to say, yes, there is misogyny. But it's not just misogyny from white men. It's misogyny from Hispanic men. It's misogyny from black men. Things we've all been talking about who do not want a woman leading them. It's just silly because we saw how Biden was doing, which was incredibly poorly. That's the reason that he dropped out of the race. It was like,

yes, he has dementia, but it was the fact that Americans reacted to the dementia. They were like, we're not doing this. He was totally abysmal. And I don't know, it's just, it's silly to keep talking about it. How are to keep talking about how are we still talking about this specific kind of discourse in in 2024 again it's probably hopefully a saving face you know and and the more extreme people are going to get kicked or they're going to kicked out of the newsrooms i just i i don't know it's weird i would think that it wouldn't be as bad but then i've been looking at facebook because i'm addicted to how unhinged everybody is right now and it is just the things people are saying and they're you know women are like go off your

birth control delete your apps start paying for tampons and cash so that the government doesn't know when you're bleeding you we can share you know diva cups and like i mean truly and i was asking my friends today i'm like it's what's really fascinating to me is like the different psychology of larping like the the larping on the left is very like republicans aren't stopping in their cars and crying they're more like get your guns they're coming for your guns you know like they could stock up on your food supply and um stop the steal was i was trying to think during 2020 what i was seeing from the right wing you know the equivalent and it's just so different on the left it's just like unhinged shaving their heads this is not on the media level, but just on the individual level. And is it like these

histrionics and even at The View, they were crazy. Is it just we live in a time where hyperbole and histrionics get you a lot of attention? Or do they actually believe this? Because if you believe Trump is literally the next Hitler, then this reaction is somewhat appropriate. I don't know why you would have to film yourself doing it, but that's the appropriate reaction for believing this to be true. Or is it just like histrionics for engagement? I don't know. What do you guys think that's an interesting point where you have to just be loud enough to penetrate the noise uh or to rise above the noise that it always exists online you know so you have to take it to

that level have you been following justine bateman's feed on x no tell me oh my god it's it's my favorite thing online right now so she is basically critiquing all of these videos from the perspective of a filmmaker it's like she's like bad lighting you should shoot this way the the in the car is an overused location it is just the best thing online right now is justine bateman taking chill quote tweet lives of tiktok who's got all these videos that they're aggregating, obviously, and, um, we'll just be like, it's so brilliant. It's just, she's just looking at it very rationally. Like, here's what I would do if I was filming this. I saw that one of the woman shaving her head. And it reminded me of that scene in V for Vendetta. And I thought you guys live in a parallel dimension, unless it's just this, you know, this internet thing. But then I saw another one that did not feel like internet

performance to me. That was much more frightening, which was a mom talking to her kids. I was going to bring that one up. That was fucking dark, man. I haven't seen this one. So it's a mom talking to her kids and she's breaking the news that Trump won. And then it's a little girl. It sounds like she's got to be like seven or eight and maybe six or seven, like young. And you hear her whimper and then start hyperventilating. And then you hear the dad in the background like, you breathe. It's okay. You can breathe.

And the mom's coaching her through how everything's going to be fine. But the mom looks terrified. And the mom's coaching her through how everything's going to be fine. But the mom looks terrified. She's in a movie about the rise of Hitler and they have to change their lives because of it. And I thought like, man, if your kid feels any kind of... If your seven-year-old daughter knows anything about... Has any kind of feeling about Donald Trump, whether she's fucking make America great again in class or, um, terrified that he is, you know, the fifth Reich that that's child abuse. Okay. Like your kid does not, should not know anything about this. And that one, that is where I felt like this isn't just performance because that kid's not faking it. That's a real reaction that I'm listening to.

And it's really disturbing to me. Yeah. That's, that's really unsettling. I don't think you should be... I mean, the Make America Great Again, kids are going to pick that up from their parents. At least it's positive and optimistic. But giving... I think where the line is for me is when you're making your kid anxious and you're passing that, you're projecting your own anxiety onto your child. And there is a lot of this in the culture. So as someone who is a new mom, we were watching Inside Out 2. And then the 13-year-old girl has this panic attack. And we're like, nope, nope, turn it off. Why is a 13-year-old having this insane panic attack, but there's so much of this just in the culture. And you saw it with the colleges where they were like, you know, you guys can have a day, whatever, take whatever time you need there. And, and telling the students that instead of being

resilient and just go to school, that it was okay if they skipped class and had some kind of melt, meltdown in their cry closet. That is for for sure the other big thing here that's happening is there is a premium like a kind of cultural premium placed on displays of anxiety and talking about uh you know sicknesses that you're experiencing or conditions that you have um there is this i don't know how to even describe it really. I just know that you get something out of it culturally by going through something and revealing that to people. You can feel that online and you felt it throughout all of the social sort of revolutionary stuff we've seen over the last five years, but you also see it in social circles, you know, among your friends and things like this as people talking about good. That's strange. That is a, that is a

counter trend to, you know, zoomers, uh, breaking for Trump by 30 points. I would expect men, zoomer, was it just men? Well, as a generation, they broke a lot less. And I don't believe that women voted for Trump. I think they voted for Harris harris it's it's only the zoomer boys who voted for trump just by a lot but more zoomer women than they thought voted for trump i think there were more zoomer women than they expected voted because there were a lot of women who were young zoomers who were pro-trump too so i think there were more than they thought in the zoomers, but the men, yeah. But this is, again, this crazy gender divide that's occurred in this election. Although the suburban moms really came through and were like, no, because they care about the social things.

Yes. We should talk about that, by the way way really quickly before we move on i would love your perspective bridget on uh the the 1619 project woman along with it was joanne reed and a lot of people we talked about before but the 1619 project woman went viral online for uh accusing blaming white women yes uh of we always get blamed voting on behalf of uh the ethno state and i was just wondering, is that yours? Like when you voted for Trump, was it, was it because you were hoping for,

you know, the ethno state? Oh, when I was in the booth, I was like for the ethno state. And then I pressed Trump. No, it's,

this is this, this happens though. Every, every election. i feel like i didn't realize this until i was very online i'm like well let me guess they're gonna blame white women again it's like the the rhetoric on the left around white women is is can get very deranged it's like and and borderline like genocidal sometimes and so I've kind of just learned to brush it off. I feel like sometimes the only way to deal with it is to mock it. My whole thing was during the whole woke years or whatever we want to call them. I was like, don't give into it. Just tell them

they're annoying. I had a whole expression like, you're not woke, you're annoying. It just minimize it by kind of mocking it. So I can't take it too seriously. She goes viral all the time for saying that. There is a lot of people who will say, you're voting because we've internalized the patriarchy and we are invested in maintaining power when it's really like, no, I don't want my little girl to be in a spa with a dude. I don't want to pay four times what I was paying for groceries. My insurance has gone up. People don't know how many women are in charge of running the house in terms of finances, paying the bills. We see all of this stuff on a line by line basis and like women are going to

be mad if they can't get botox because they have to pay more for groceries i'm sorry not just botox but it's like and all jokes aside suburban women are um they're balancing a lot of things you know i think i from i had a great conversation with Mary Catherine ham on my, one of my two podcasts. And we were like, are suburban women going to break for Trump? Because everyone in our circles, it was anecdotal,

but we were all in group chats and we were, everybody was like, so we're all going to vote for Trump. I like, yeah, we're going to do this. And I, every woman, I have a very politically homeless subscriber base.

Every single one of those women shockingly came broke for Trump. And I was these are libertarians. They're RFK Jr. people, people who have never voted Republican. So when I started seeing that trend, I was like, holy shit, he really might win. You know, you might take this because in my and again, it was like holy shit he really might win you know he might take this because in my and again it was like well maybe these are just my circles but i think suburban women were were balancing these things of you know abortion pro-choice and all of the other stuff we've talked about and clearly we know which direction they voted i I don't think they were all like, this is for the ethnostate. Yeah. It's like, they really think that like suburban women want

some kind of white Wakanda. Is that what they think? I don't, but I, I actually don't. I think they look at you guys. I think they look at you guys and they think I can bully them. I can bully them into voting the way that I want them to. And they can't do that with like a zoomer white boy with a broccoli cut. You're not bullying him into voting the way that you want him to vote. They're outside in front of the frat house doing the Trump dance right now. Like there's no path, there's no path.

So it's like, they got to go to you. Part of, part of my most, uh, part of the reason i put that video out before the election of why i voted for trump was because my most sexist but scientifically backed position is that women do need more social permission to do something that isn't popular

this goes back to just our safety and our dna it's very scary to be outside of a tribe for men and women, particularly for women. You're not protected. It's very dangerous. It's in our life-saving response that we have. And women, as we've seen by many of these contagions in the past, they just generally tend to do things in social circles and, and, you know, egg each other on or like all, a lot of the things that are for good and for bad. And I do,

I, I think women in those group chats and putting, having people like, um, Heather hang came out and had said she was voting for Trump. I think they, even men reached out to me and said, Oh,

I saw your video and I was on the fence and it kind of helped me just go, okay, this isn't, I mean, you know, it's not like the death of everything if I do this. And women, I think women just, there was like the suburban mom, you know, secret vote that I think was happening in the group chats. And, and I was wondering if it was, I think it came to bear out. We saw a piece of this in tech, obviously, in a huge way with just, you have people like David Sachs coming out very strongly. Obviously, Peter started it, but he was demonized at first. Now you have years of antibodies built up. David Sachs comes out, you have different people on the All In podcast who come out, huge uh or just like reasonably popular VCs come out in support of this and it was just like a snowball

effect and once there was social like you said permission to go it was way way way more people I do I want to let's talk about your video um so that's interesting I didn't realize that was the reason that you did it I think that's really uh that's really interesting were you surprised I was surprised to see how much pushback really interesting were you surprised i was surprised to see how much pushback you got were you surprised to see how much pushback you got from um really this contingent of like a centrist libertarian e header self-proclaimed heterodox literally self-proclaimed heterodox uh heterodox thinkers like imagine like sort of maybe the idw adjacent crowd people who work in institutions like the atlantic for example but um but want to seem free thinking

and they were looking at you for this what what was up with that i mean the video i did the video for a lot of reasons one was i had been very public about my being on the fence, and then it would have felt shady to just keep it to myself. I don't know. My whole thing is just being honest with everyone, but my audience in particular. And I expected blowback. There's a lot of people in that faction. I see what they say about me. I've seen it. They've been waiting to call me a female Dave Rubin.

And they have been waiting for this moment for six to eight years where they can just say, ha, we gotcha. Because I have slowly, as they would say, been moving to the right. I think that becoming a mom radicalized me in ways that I've explained in my video where I had a child and suddenly I couldn't be like a Gen X or just like sitting on the sidelines being like, ah, you guys all have to care so much. That sucks. I'm like, ah, shit. Now I've got to like care about who's on the school board and whether like the Montessori teacher has pronouns in their bio. Okay, I guess I've got to fight. And that was something new.

So these things are, and just having people tell me that what wasn't happening wasn't happening. When I first got caught in the crossfire of the culture wars, knowing nothing, being a waitress, trying to be a comedian, got sober in 2013, stumbled into it in 2015. got sober in 2013, stumbled into it in 2015, and then slowly in 2016 started pushing back very early against the insanity on the left, but was still being at Playboy. I heard from the right all the time about how feminism destroyed America. And I was the reason that this country was collapsing and et cetera. So I was like, I don't trust you guys either. And they opened their tent up much more over the years. But someone said to me, it's not what you're saying. I was like, why does everyone think I'm on the right? And they said, it's not what you're saying. It's what you're not saying. And I think about that a lot because that is audience capture. Because I started saying

when I would pause to say something and found myself hesitating, I would be like, oh, this is going to get me kicked out of my left wing circle of friends. And then I just started, my whole mantra on Twitter is fuck it, send tweet. Like there's not very clearly, there's not much of a pause and or now X. Then I feel like if there's something that I felt like would alienate my new audience and I wasn't going to send it or say it, I'm falling prey to the same thing. And it's very hard. You have to kind of I feel like my audience now has a pretty high immune system to me being not really being sure where I'm going to fall. Even just in a video I did yesterday, I was like, guys, I'm not MAGA. I'm not going to be like we started dumpster fire in the Trump years, making fun of Trump. We are going to continue to do that because it's hilarious. But well, it's like equal opportunity. So I was expecting this from that heterodox community i i think some of their criticisms aren't entirely wrong but i do you

know i try to see like the good faith people but not all of them are really operating in good faith that that's when they lose me it was the re the what is her name kathy or something i think she's like ukrainian maybe what is her name uh kathy young yeah that one went after you and it seemed personal to me uh and yeah and then it was on the heels of the atlantic piece by thomas chatterton whatever um and that piece was wild to me to have a piece the piece was uh the problem with heterodox people voting for Trump, it was like, how could this be happening? It was a whole piece on sort of exploring that. And I just think if you are a self-proclaimed heterodox thinker and you have a problem with someone not voting for the Democrat, you have to do some soul searching. You have to look in the mirror and ask yourself many

things. I think the first one is like, why am I publicly calling myself a heterodox thinker? I'm not even saying necessarily because you're wrong, but also it's very cheesy. I think to say that and to call yourself that, um, I didn't even know what that word meant until like two years ago. And it's like, if you, if you have a heterodox, a heterodox platform, you're not fucking heterodox. Like, what are we talking? You're not the contrarian that you think you are. You are just in the machine and you want to be liked. And it's like, you know, you are just an Atlantic writer voting Democrat who happens to also agree that children shouldn't be chemically castrated. Well, guess what? You don't get a trophy for that position. That is just like a normal, but you're not like a brave,

edgy contrarian thinker because you think we should not be chemically castrating children. That's not enough for me. You have to be open to people exploring different ideas. And I think that Bridget, what you did, it's hard to go out publicly and brand yourself with a candidate. And I think it was cool that you did it. And I think like, fuck them for going after you for it, for something.

It felt good to take a stand. Honestly, I didn't vote for anybody in 2020 and I, it felt good to be, cause now I can, I, that was why I voted for him. I felt so much cognitive dissonance between I want him to win,

but I can't vote for him. So I had to really interrogate that. Well, why can't I vote for him? A lot of people have squared that they wanted him to win, but they couldn't vote for him. I couldn't square it. I was like, just pull the lever and then own it. And now I have to own own that vote. And I can I don't know.

It just felt it actually was much easier than I thought. You know, it's for all of the, I don't know that like heterodox, that's very strange too, because that kind of smug disappointment only works in one direction. Like, why shouldn't I be disappointed in you for voting for Kamala? That is like a very strange mentality where it only comes in one direction. Yeah. What does she even believe? How as a self-proclaimed thinker of any kind, can you can you tolerate someone without positions? That's crazy. And I think they would follow. I've noticed when they make these arguments, they tend to fall down on the side of like, well,

this is an existential election because Donald Trump tried to do a coup or something. And I just don't believe that. Sorry. I just, I just like, don't think that's what happened. And I don't think it was that I, I, I think that it was a riot. I think riots are bad. I think he was a buffoon about the entire thing and, um, has made like a lot of mistakes in the things that he said. But I do not believe that this is a man who's actually trying to seize control of the country and some kind of dictatorship. And when you pull the average American who has followed that story, who is a Trump supporter, they're not a Trump supporter because they think he's going to be a dictator. They're a Trump supporter because they know that he's not. And that's just something

that people who hate him say. And they really just want a border and they really just want crime to be illegal again. And they really just can't stand the woke shit. And like the fact that racism became so normalized over the last handful of years, like that's the kind of stuff that they're voting on. And I think it's really intellectually dishonest of the other team. I think it's fine to not vote for Trump. I think it's fine to hate Trump. I understand where they're coming from. I do understand it. I understand even voting for Kamala. What I do not understand is for them to go and try and demonize people who disagree with them in this way, especially coming from the position of these free thinkers. I think on the tech side, when you have like Vinod Khosla or Paul Graham, these kinds of people who are, they're not, they're not satisfied. Reid Hoffman is another one. People who are not satisfied in just disagreeing with you publicly or voting for Kamala and giving money to Kamala, that they've done all of those things.

But they want to go and say, they take it a step further and they say, you're a bad person for doing this. This is immoral. And that's this kind of shaming tactic where you can feel someone trying to control the Overton window. They're reaching for it and they're trying to tighten their grip around it. So they don't even have to make an argument in favor of their candidate. You socially are not permitted to disagree with them. And that's the kind of thing that I resist all the time because that's the kind of thing that fucked us in 2020. That is the thing all throughout COVID. That is the thing that crippled our country.

And that scarred me. Scarred is maybe the wrong word. I learned a lesson that I will never forget. And I will never, ever, ever, ever back down on those things ever again. It's just way too important. I think I learned that lesson too. And I think a lot of Americans did though. And that's why you saw that their immunity was much higher to being shamed for this kind of vote than it was in 2020 even. I mean, how, I want to see the numbers of how many first-time trump voters there were from people who either never voted for him or vote you know i i'm curious about those numbers

when it's all tallied up the the righteousness like the moral righteousness aspect of shaming people into voting is that like a novel that's like a relatively recent thing in politics right like or i mean when does that start? Because like in the 70s is where I think identity politics really got going in the United States with like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers and all that. But I don't know that you saw that, you know, reflecting on people's their choices, like that wasn't part of the conversation. And it was just like, purely like, you know, vote based on your own interests, etc. And I wonder, I guess my question is like, is that is that novel now? And if so, I think that would be a good sign, because it seems like it's on its way out. I think I think

maybe America kind of woke up to that, you know, and sort of just like, no, like we're not being browbeaten into voting for an abstract concept that, that the left essentially wants us to vote for. We're actually just going to vote for the things that we want to happen. I think that's wishful thinking. It's not on its way out. And that's because, um, you know, someone, uh, power bottom dad on Twitter, it's a great account. Give him a follow, uh, power bottom Bottom Dad said Trump just won the election, which means and everyone seems to agree. And I still feel scared to post about my support for Trump on Twitter. And that's because and I commented and I said, that's because you're correctly intuiting the shape of power in America. the shape of power in America. Power in America is basically unelected. It's almost entirely Democrat. It occupies every fount of power. We're talking bureaucratic power. We're talking the power in Hollywood. We're talking the power in the press, though that's shifting now with the alternative media ecosystem. We were talking to power all throughout tech until recently. And now I think

it's really just tech leadership that's not on that side of things. But all throughout business and money, banking, these are places that are overwhelmingly Democrat. And so even if it's not on that side of things. But all throughout business and money banking, these are places that are overwhelmingly Democrat. And so even if it's not, you know, your elected official is a Republican, you feel social pressure to if you are a Republican or you're going to vote for a Republican to at least not talk about it. And I think that will persist for as long as Democrats have so much power in the country, all these other, you know, seats of power. That's just us. That is our that's evolution. And I think that will persist for as long as Democrats have so much power in the country, all these other, you know, seats of power. That's just us.

That is our, that's evolution. That is us knowing how to survive in a group is just by being aware of who's in charge. And you feel it like, like the hair is raising on the back of your neck. Like, you know, when, when your side is not in power. And that's why I find so many of these conversations about, you know, who is in power and who's not. And people are like, Oh, I was nervous to say that I didn't vote for Trump. I'm like, no, you fucking weren't because we all know, like we all know what the correct vote was and what the bad vote was. And, uh, it's just very frustrating to me to

have to pretend otherwise. It's crazy how few like actual critical post mortems you see from the left rather than shaming Trump supporters or blaming all white women. Like one of the few that I did see was Bernie Sanders. And it makes sense that he would be the one calling them out because where Democrats clearly lost the most is where Bernie was the strongest when he ran. It's like he thrived in the joe rogan podcast environment like he was strong with latinos that he had a group called bernie bros because he was so strong with young men like yeah and you know other democrats like gave him shit for promoting his rogan endorsement in the past but like they gave him shit if democrats want it they called it

yes yes yeah and they called him like a nosh a Nazi adjacent for going on the podcast at the time. Insane. Yeah. Yeah. And if Democrats wanted to like actually learn from the landslide, they would listen more to the candidate who thrived on Rogan, you know, rather than listen to the cable TV talking heads who blamed it all on racism. Yeah. I do think Elon gave a lot of permission too. And like those young Gen Zers, people don't realize, I have nephews that age,

they grew up with all this stuff in high school. Like they were the generation that had all of the tone policing and thought policing and then the woke-m really and they were so and being told that they were evil and racist because of the way that they were born and these guys have definitely reacted to it it's kind of made the MAGA movement the counterculture because it's like the it's like the punk rock for these guys and I think they all like they they're really into crypto. They were, they grew up online and they really look up to guys like Elon. So Elon coming out and in support of Trump for that younger generation, you know, older people might've kind of been like, oh, whatever. And they, people have these, all these opinions, but the younger guys were like, this is the,

he's like their hero. Yeah. That doesn't, that that that resonates with me i've always had the the zoomer male vote swinging so far to the right um was completely unsurprising for me because i've always had this model um based on my own experience growing up of like when i grew up the basically like the sort of christian evangelical right was the scary cultural force same and they always kind of looming threatening to take over in some way or another politically and culturally and um i remember you know in high school thinking like you know like

understanding their positions and just thinking like these guys are fucking lame you know like they're just totally lame pr prudish people. And I want to do something to offend them. Like that was my instinct, right? Like I want to just, I want to, I want to buck that authority. And the left looks exactly like that, exactly like that. And I think as a young boy, you know, 12, 12 to 16 years old, all you want to do is show that type of, um, person that like they're like fake and gay, right. Or something like that, right. You don't, you don't, you just, you want to shock that person because they're so prudish. They're so closed off. And, um, yeah, I really resonate with it. You just said just said it's it's a powerful force

the teenage boy but when awoken and it doesn't it doesn't tend to involve itself directly in politics but when awoken it is uh it is mighty as we are now learning uh the the last bit here i wanted to just touch on pretty briefly was um you know we've covered the election and the ins and outs of it the cultural piece of it uh how it happened what we think was happening i guess it's like what what comes next out of this you have a handful of people who are at least saying they think trump is going to this is our last election democracy's over he's an authoritarian and that's that i mean that's silly i i we know that that's not true unless unless and then oops my bad i will come back and apologize if uh that's on me right here's the thing though mike i will say the people who stood up against all this stuff

like the all along against the overreach and covet and vac vacs mandates the these people who have suddenly come right and they voted for Trump, I believe we're still the same people who are going to stand up if, whoops, we're wrong and he's literally Hitler. It's certainly not going to be the people that have been

quietly just going along the whole time. I don't trust them to stand up to anything. So I at least trust that the weird realignment coalition of people and thinkers, they are the people who have been pushing back against all of this stuff all along. I agree. Yeah. I think what is the word in the, um, there's the personality quality that means that you don't get along with people disagreeable. It's a disagreeable group. And, and that is, it is like a kind of inoculation against really crazy shit.

Um, and contrarianism, but yeah, but it's like, what is, what is next? Is it, you know,

is it, is RFK going to be making French fries great again with beef tallow? Uh, is Elon's doge a real thing? High-speed rail uh with beautiful bar carts cutting through the rockies and getting me from sf to new york in a night i won't hold my breath will the moon finally be a state um i don't know uh questions for you guys and then i i will just start though with as of uh today is we record on Thursday. So this comes out on Friday.

So as of Thursday, I did see Trump making some statements on some executive orders that he plans to make. And so before we get into your last minute predictions or last predictions, Riley, what did you what did you read about? I only saw the immigration one. But what else? What else is he promising now? Yeah, he's also announcing some possible administration appointments. One of them I saw was a popular regenerative agriculture guy who is getting an appointment to the USDA, which I'm sure will make the Amish very happy,

which is so funny, by the way, that that's one of his voting blocks now. And he's also been announcing some proposed executive orders. He put out a video saying that on day one, he's going to end birthright citizenship in America, saying that the future children of illegal aliens will no longer automatically receive U.S. citizenship. And in a separate video, he said he'll sign an order ceasing gender affirming care for minors. So he said there, I will sign a new executive order instructing every federal agency to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age. So it seems to be sort of like a stark contrast from the first Trump administration, which reportedly was like a lot of scrambling and not really having a set agenda. This time, it seems that he

clearly has a plan in place to like enact his agenda on day one. Well, you see that. I mean, I saw the immigration thing already. People are freaking out about it, of course, because they forget about everything that he does. This is a very popular position. It is kind of a common sense position. You don't get birthright citizenship in like all throughout the old world. this is a new world north america south america thing and it makes sense because you had to populate these new especially america you to populate in canada you to populate the country and build the country and citizenship just worked differently but you don't have this in europe you don't have this

anywhere in asia you don't have this in most of the african countries um but on the on the fact that he's and maybe you guys can can disagree on that position or whatever, I'm very much in favor. I think that you do not just automatically get citizenship because you were born here. Otherwise there are all these obvious incentives, which he's trying to kill, which is like, why wouldn't you just come here and have a kid who can then have citizenship? But citizenship, immigration certainly was one of the main reasons that he was elected. And the other one, I think you saw this in places like Virginia, and I think it was Loudoun County, where you had this huge swing away from the Democrats, where this is a Democrat stronghold. do with this topic specifically. This is really an important topic to parents across the country. So you can be mad about it and you can be bad about immigration, but the overwhelming majority of Americans are on the same page here. And I think that he's going to basically just be doing

stuff like that. Stuff that most people actually agree with, even if it's not, I don't know, popular on threads. I love that you're on threads. You got to check threads once in a while. I'm fascinated with the ho strike. That's what I'm just looking at. Oh, the women who are saying they're not going to have sex with Trump supporters or have sex at all, is it?

I've been just calling it the ho strike, but yeah, I think it's the 4B. Because they're not getting abortion. It's weird though to be like, because I can't have an abortion, am I sex it's like that's what the christians want you to do you know that right like they got you they got you girl they won that's what's so funny everyone on the right is like oh good we managed to convince them to not have like promiscuous sex too what a win for us um what do you have any i mean what are your do you think the do you

think the host strike grows do you think it becomes no i think it's the like movement for attention right there was a really funny video going around and it was like the norway sweden and it was like ladies welcome you can go to these countries where there's the 12 they they too have a 12 week abortion ban or something yes yeah we it's we have the most permissive abortion laws I think maybe Canada but it's like yeah

like they all have they have the exact abortion ban that I think makes sense like it's like it's it's like it's a reasonable number and then after that number it's it's if it's like it's a reasonable number and then after that number it's it's if it's if the mom's life is in danger that's really sad and we should allow it there as well and that seems good that seems reasonable that seems fine they the music that was it you should play that clip if you can find it I don't know if it's fair, but I thought, how could I let you fall by yourself?

Well, I'm wasted with someone else. If we go down, then we go down together. Someone said it was like the top so far for cringy post-election content. Oh, really? But I don't know about that yet. The woman talking to her kids was pretty wild. The hair cutting one was pretty wild. Yeah, everyone going Britney Spears.

That's a little strange. Last thoughts, predictions for the way things are going to play out over the next couple months? I don't know. I have to try and be humble. I definitely feel that urge to get drunk on liberal tears. It's not great. it's not great it's not great it's not it's a it feels like a character defect and i do think you have to like the urge to kind of dunk on your opponents is not it's not good sportsmanship even though it's funny um

so i hope that, and I do try to remember that a lot of these people are really suffering and, and the Democrats have like parade on a vulnerable population of young people and they're, they are psychologically not doing well. So I, I predict a lot more histrionics online. I don't know though. There's no,

are there any protests? Like, you know, remember 2016 with the like stuff yeah i saw one i was just telling this to the guys before you hopped on uh it was in chicago and it felt so lackluster it felt like um they were larping the larp of a 2020 protests. And I just don't, I don't think they have it in them for another hashtag resist moment. I think that they're tired. They want to move on. I was in LA, um, I'm for the, uh, for an election party.

And, uh, so that night I was at a restaurant and before I went to the party and nobody fucking cared. Nobody was talking about it. Everybody was laughing and drinking and no one... I was checking my phone relentlessly to see what was happening. No one had their phone out. It was just pure bliss. The next morning after the election, I went to breakfast, the same... No one cared. Everyone was just going about their day. I think that's what also the press was most nervous about, was they know that this is going to be very different than 2016, where there was so much energy behind stopping anything from happening. Now, Trump is not clueless and the average American, if not basically on board with most of his platform positions, just doesn't care anymore and wants to stop thinking about it. I think that he'll

probably just be effective and it'll be fine. But also I predicted this election would be boring before the first assassination attempt. So, I mean, I've been wrong before. Bridget, what were you saying? Another weird phenomenon, and I'm interested to hear from your listeners or from you guys. A lot of people, like liberals secretly, have reached out to me and been like, I'm glad he won. Even people who voted for it because they felt like they had to. This is a very strange three-day-later phenomenon that I've been experiencing from people who didn't vote at all or didn't vote for him have been like i'm glad he won so i went i went golfing with my buddy uh who's from vegas and again i live in la and um it was on the over the weekend before the election and he wore a maga hat

wow and um i was like okay like okay, like, cause you like, this is a really popular golf course. Tons of people around, you know, you, you're always talking to people because like, you know, you might be there, they're behind you and in front of you, you know, golfing. And, uh, it was like totally fun. Like we were talking to everybody, everybody was great. You know, nobody batted an eyelash as far as I could see. Yeah. And it was very conspicuous, you know, the hat. And so I don't know. I know a guy, a friend of mine went out in New York with the MAGA hat and same thing happened.

Like nothing, no one gave him any problems at all. And actually he got a lot of support like throughout the street from a like like all kinds of people um i think that it's you can just look at the election map and probably what's happening is it's like i mean trump won for a reason and um and i don't know yeah i don't see i don't see the protests happening. Or though, I mean, again, though, I'm wrong quite a lot. Riley. I'm going to be a blue J6 on J6 or whatever day it is. They're just going to have a knitting sit-in?

What is that going to look like? Legos, a tent for Legos, starbursts. Riley, last thoughts on the Zoomer perspective. Do you think that it stays strong? Is this here to stay? Do they swing back? Do they fade away? Are they over it? Was this like a one-time thing? What's going on there? Young people always want to rebel against their parents and their parents have been, you know, the school marmy people on Twitter telling you what you can't say. So I think as long as that continues, the Zoomer to the right trend is also going to continue. Bridget, I'm going to give you the last word as our guest. Anything I don't know. What do you think about it could be anything the reaction to your to your coming out video, um, reaction to the election

prediction for the future. I'm really worried about the young women like that. I, I, as much as it's funny to watch all these videos, my big takeaway from this as someone who was a young woman in their twenties and teens is I, I want to find a way to reach them and try and deprogram them a little bit from a lot of the fear mongering and give them some psychological resilience. And I feel like this generation of women, they feel very lost and unhinged to me. And nobody seems interested in how, you know, it's easy for, this was my kind of issue with the right wing when I said they have a woman,

a young woman problem because it's like they, they, we let, and I guess I can include myself in that now, which is weird. Um, there's like this dunking on them. Isn't going to bring them over.

You know, it's, it's like, it's like going after a woman who's an abusive relationship for not getting out soon enough so i i do feel like part of the work that i want to do and that i hope women in this space do is trying to reach across the aisle and and mentor and help some of these women so that they're not all in psych wards in five years. It seems like you kind of out, I mean, this is what your video strategy was. I think that

you just need social protection in some way. And you're doing that. I think it's really cool. I think it was really smart. I've never thought about it from that position before. Um, and I would love to live in a world where the women of this country are slightly less crazy. I shouldn't say that. Most of them are great. Honestly, like, and I say this to like, like some of the most base people I know are like the women in my life. Like there's a, the reason I am the way that I am is like my mother, my sister, like they're the ones who did this to me. So, you know, they're out there. It's just like probably the craziest ones get the most attention.

And for reasons I don't understand, Bridget, thank you for coming on the pod. You are the best. Thank you for also Hereticon, which we didn't even talk about, but one of these days. Thank you for having me. It was awesome. You guys. So much fun. Have a great one.

Go touch grass this weekend and see you here next week.