Pirate Wires - Trump’s Constitutional Crises & DOGE’s Coup

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

EPISODE #: This week, we experienced a constitutional crises.. we think? Why is everyone losing their mind over Trump’s basic executive powers? The DOGE team continues to be hard at work, but some believe that these young men should be put in jail. We continue to dig through the wreckage of the Democratic party. In other news, the Super Bowl halftime show was bad, the media refuses to acknowledge the Gulf of America and Elon & Sam Altman continue to wage AI wars.Featuring Mike Solana, Brandon Gorrell, Riley Nork, Molly O'Shea, Kartik SathappanWe have partnered with AdQuick! They gave us a 'Moon Should Be A State' billboard in Times Square!https://www.adquick.com/Sign Up For The Pirate Wires Daily! https://get.piratewires.com/pw/dailyPirate Wires Twitter: https://twitter.com/PirateWiresMike Twitter: https://twitter.com/micsolanaBrandon Twitter: https://twitter.com/brandongorrellRiley Twitter: https://x.com/rylzdigitalMolly Twitter: https://x.com/MollySOSheaKartik Twitter: https://x.com/sathaxeTIMESTAMPS:0:00 - Welcome Back To The Pod!1:45 - Are We In A Constitutional Crises?13:00 - DOGE Coup24:20 - Thanks To AdQuick For Sponsoring Pirate Wires Podcast!25:30 - The Super Bowl Half Time Show Sucked33:40 - Media Ignores The Gulf Of America Name Change51:45 - Kara Swisher & Scott Galloway Want DOGE Kids To Be Arrested59:30 - Elon Musk To Buy Open AI? Elon & Sam Altman Continue To Fight1:09:30 - Limestone Mines That Keep Retirement Records!1:12:00 - Thanks For Watching! Like & Subscribe#podcast #technology #politics #culture

Which side are you on? Which side are you on? Kill me. Today's big buzzword, a constitutional crisis. I think there might be at this rate, the way that they're, I mean, we're already at level 99 and there's no calming down. This feels like a national exorcism. And I feel like that's where the left is right now.

Like they're acting f***ing crazy. We need to go gangster here. It is as if he's in a video game and he just popped back up at a save point directly before he began the next term. He was elected to do all of this. He specifically said what he was going to do. I think that people used to call it golfing. What was it again that they used to call it? Weed on dead name. What's up guys? Welcome back to the pod. We've got Brandon in the chat.

Again, he's back. People thought he quit. People thought he was running away. The commenters have been going nuts, but here he is. He's looking camped as fuck. Welcome back, my friend. It's good to have you. I'm going to ask you all sorts of questions about where you've been and what you've been up to on your journey through the Antarctic today in a bit. We have an AdQuick, our amazing new sponsors. Love them. I don't want to trash anyone who's previously sponsored the podcast,

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I mean, there's this question of whether or not the country is being taken over by a fascist dictatorship of the democracy. Yeah, so democracy had a good run, folks, but it's over. Our democratically elected president is throwing it all out the window by appealing a court ruling. So what happened?

So Chief Justice John McConnell Jr. of Rhode Island, who sits on the US Court of Appeals for the First Circuit issued a restraining order this week preventing federal agencies from freezing local grants and aid, which is something that the Trump administration called for as they seek to cut spending, no longer fund programs related to DEI, et cetera. This ruling comes after a lower court judge issued a similar ruling.

Attorneys from the Trump administration appealed that one. And soon after this latest ruling by the Rhode Island judge, uh, they appealed again. That's like sort of how our legal process works. Um, but Democrats argued that even after the judge's order, federal funding for grants and aid remained inaccessible. Thus the Trump administration was ignoring the law and provoking a constitutional crisis. Today's big buzzword, CNN's Caitlin Collins said,

quote, we are three weeks into the second Trump presidency, and tonight there are warnings that the US is dangerously close to a constitutional crisis. Meanwhile, for their part, the Trump administration says it's these judges who are causing the crisis. Caroline Levitt said at a press conference, we believe these judges are acting as judicial activists rather than honest arbiters of the law. The real constitutional crisis is taking place within our judicial branch. So what do you guys think? Who is to blame for the ongoing constitutional crisis that's going to topple American democracy any second now.

Before we even get into the constitutional crisis, it's a pair of words, really. The second one they have is coup, and they're closely related. I think there's a lot to talk about in both. Do you want to break down the coup piece as well? And then we can just go ham on it. Yeah, so the coup piece is something that they're talking about with regards to Doge.

So like, not only do we have the constitutional crisis going on, but we also have a coup happening as well simultaneously. According to Scott Galloway, who described the efforts of Elon and the Doge team as a coup, he called them, quote, the new insurrectionists. I want to know who their names are. And I want to see Democratic governors saying, I'm going to do everything I can in my power to use the full faith and to the letter of the law to put you folks in prison. I think what you're doing is trespassing. I think this is a coup and be clear just because the new insurrectionist who was elected, you know, I don't believe this is legal and I'm going to hold the people accountable who are trespassing and part of a coup accountable. The actions that have prompted him to talk about the coup are these Doge zoomers

who like we talked about last week first had their sights set on USAID. This week, they according to Doge eliminated almost a billion dollars of US Department of Education contracts. And according to our little Doge tracker, they're at like $37.89 billion in taxpayer savings. So that's, that's the actions that you have to... And they're related to the constitutional crisis part. What specifically... Let's try and steelman it before we get into this.

What specifically are they saying is creating the constitutional crisis? My understanding of it, and it's been a chaotic week on the internet, so bear with me, but my understanding of it was that Congress controls spending. The Doge team at the orders of Trump, by cutting or stopping,, halting spending was usurping the authority of Congress basically. So there was like this executive overreach and that was the crisis, no? Or is there something else?

The crisis I think is, at least in the context I saw it being talked about was in regards to this Rhode Island ruling because you had the judge say, okay, you have this restraining order because you had the judge say, okay, you have this restraining order, you can't do the federal funding freeze anymore. And then they alleged that they still couldn't access federal funds for these programs and grants. So they were alleging that the Trump administration was not abiding by the ruling of this judge on the court of appeals in Rhode Island. And that was the constitutional crisis

because they were just ignoring the law haphazardly. They're quibbling on whether or not Trump, Trump's not out there saying I'm going to ignore the courts. They're quibbling on like what is agreeing and what's ignoring and what's the process. Biden, we don't have to go to AOC. Biden specifically himself said he was going to ignore the courts on the topic of the student loan stuff, which did he do that by the whatever happened with the student loan stuff? I mean, he said a lot of he, he gets, people just let him off the hook. I think cause he's old and kind of baddie. And it's like, he goes out saying he's, he's creating constitutional amendments.

He's saying he's going to ignore the court. That's the constitutional crisis. They tried to amend the constitution and the last week of the presidency via tweet. I know it's just like, no one believed it was serious though, is the problem. So no one even mentioned it. It's like, well, he's not really a, he can say whatever he wants. It's just, we don't believe him. Whereas Trump they're like, he might fucking do it.

He might do whatever he says and the stuff that he's not saying. Yeah, I just don't, I don't, it seems to me that we're just kind of in the middle of process right now. And the thing that's really not process is the thing that we keep seeing again. So the ACLU mentioned, uh, they, they just released a whole thing. It was a couple of days ago, uh, talking about all of the people who were losing their jobs in the administrative state, all the civil servants who were losing their jobs. And they, uh, they had a quote that I think is pretty important.

The American Civil Liberties Union writes to you to ask that you use the full force of your congressional authority to prevent the executive branch from carrying out any illegal mass layoff of federal workers. In particular, we, that's just by the way, crazy state, any illegal layoff of federal workers, I guess, a mass layoff. But like, I don't understand that. We'll get back to it. In particular, we are alarmed by reports

that the Trump administration is planning imminent mass layoffs of probationary federal employees across the government, potentially affecting more than 200,000 federal employees. Important part here. Not only would such mass layoffs violate federal law, but this action would undermine the important and historic check that the career civil service

has had on curbing abuses by the executive branch. Okay, so a thing about checks and balances. There are three founts of power in the country, three branches of the government. The checks on the executive are the legislative and the judicial, not the executive. The civil servants they're talking about work for the executive are the legislative and the judicial, not the executive. The civil servants they're talking about work for the executive branch.

The executive, the employees of the chief executive are not supposed to be a check on the power of the executive. That's not how this works. What you're actually describing there, which was then echoed in a clip of, on the Daily Show, Jen Sakai. How do you say her name, Sakai?

I don't know. Jen Sakai. I think it's don't know. Jen Saki. I think it's just Pesaki. Jen Pesaki. Jen's own. You're lying. It's not Pesaki. So Jen Pesaki gets on the Daily Show, echoes the ACLU. I mean, this is how it works, man.

Like the ACLU really organizations like the ACLU pretty much give you the marching orders for the entire left. And so that's the thing. It's like this is illegal. This is an abuse of checks and power. Like these people are important checks on the executive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They don't even think this shit through. They just hop onto the Daily Show and start talking about this. And it's like, yes, we need to preserve these checks, these checks and balances. What you're not what you're actually describing there is an entirely new found of power that none of us agree to that is completely unelected.

And it is literally what people mean when they talk about the deep state. It's that that is that specific thing right there. Unelected people in a position of power who can resist, who can hashtag resist the president. But they're doing so from within the executive branch. It's crazy. That is not that's not the way the government is supposed to work. I agree. Charlie Kirk, who you think what you will of him, executive branch. It's crazy. That is not, that's not the way the government is supposed to work. I agree. Charlie Kirk, who you know, think what you will of him, like tweeted something

super prescient the other day. He said that this feels like a national exorcism. And like, I was thinking about at first, it didn't strike me how, how right on that was. But like, if you think about it's like such an apt analogy. So you think about like the movie, The Exorcist, or like, you know, exorcisms we've seen in movies. It's like, it starts like, the exorcisms like start really slow. Like the priest is just kind of like, you know, saying things and like the girl starts like mumbling. And by the end of it, she's like contorting her body and like vomiting green shit, her head spinning around, and she's saying all sorts of crazy shit. And I feel like that's where the left is right now. Like they're acting fucking

crazy about us addressing waste abuse and abuse and fraud. And like, it's just I've been sort of in or somewhat mystified, I think by the absolute sort of like hysterical reaction by the left on this stuff. It's surprising to see. It's how they got all their money, right? Like I don't, that's what we're seeing, is that this entire activist movement is supported by our government. And so if you turn off the funding,

what happens to, what actually is the left anymore? A lot of these ideas were not popular. It's what's surprising to me is that the Democrats have gone so long without a backlash of this kind. You talk about things like like the trans girls in in in female sports issue. You can talk about things like the open border. You can talk about things like the inflation. These are hugely unpopular issues that the Democrats have been playing with

for a very long time. It's like they've already got this political route and now it looks like they're losing the foundation that they've stood on top of for so long. I said in the Daily something along the lines of like, because there was a pair of articles in the New York Times that had this, again, echoes of this crazy framing. One talking about Trump hiring loyalists in the government. It's this panicked piece in the New York Times Daily, which was like- So hypocritical. Yes.

So it's this panicky piece about Trump hiring people or appointing people to the government who are loyal to him. And I'm just immediately confused when I hear that. I think like, who else would you hire but someone who's loyal to you in a position of authority that you're supposed to be appointing them to? I don't understand that. Why would you hire someone who's not loyal? Like, who else would you fucking hire? And then the second thing was this op-ed they posted that said it was a brutal week for democracy. Again, you maybe could say something you could maybe say it's a brutal week for the country if you really disagree with what's Going on you could say it's a brutal week for Let's see a brutal week for these important funding these this is important funding If you really think that the Muslim Sesame Street is something we should be spending our money on you could say it's an important a

brutal week for for checks and balances Maybe maybe the idea that Trump is shutting down funding is really offensive to you. And I want actually I want to give you space for that. I believe that that is something that we can have a conversation about it is, it feels unprecedented to me. I mean, I don't know when else this has happened. And we should definitely talk about that. But one thing that it was not a brutal week for was democracy. He was elected the president and

like not only was he elected, he was elected with the popular vote. Like it was an overwhelming victory for him. Okay. So like that is people like, well, he wasn't hired. He wasn't elected to do any of this. He was elected to do all of this. He specifically said what he was going to do. Yes, he was elected and you maybe don't like that. But that's what's going on. I think that maybe what the panic is this time around is a sense of knowing that this is going to turn out just so much differently than 2016 did. He's going to make a lot of lasting change, I think. Even at this point, even if they stop him now, there's already change. There's already just this exposure of how the money was being spent and this exposure of the way the bureaucratic class operated and this exposure of the way that our media and government thought of the bureaucrats as really our government, which they're effectively saying sort of over and over again right now. I'm actually waiting for that to get even more clear. I think it will. I don't think there's a crisis yet.

I think there might be at this rate, the way that they're, I mean, we're already at level 99 and there's no, there's no calming down. Well, I think everyone knows that the first hundred days of any sort of new administration is the most important and you're going to go hard and you're going to go fast because you have to make out on the promises that you made. And so I think function of this is like, in part, just hysteria and media being media, in part, sore losers being sore losers, and then in part, also people getting caught doing what they've been doing for a while, and at the reality that, you know,

they might have to get a real job now. I don't know. That kind of sucks. I don't know if any of you guys listened to the Rick Caruso on Joe Rogan, shout out to Joe Rogan podcast, but he was talking about how these lifelong career bureaucrats, they don't know how to do anything else. That is their job. They only know how to socialize themselves and work within each other and the thought of getting a real job is pretty scary. Like even in his election back in a couple of years ago,

he was like really close to winning. And it was, I think, like 10 days, I wrote this down, like 10 days through almost to when I was getting called. And all of a sudden, the Democratic Party just flew in like Obama, Pelosi, each individual, and then all of a sudden overturned it and just worked together as like some sort of coalition to win over the region. But I think most of this is like a function of like, let's just invoke more hysteria and continue to try to stay alive.

Even the union piece is really interesting. Like unions feed off of people being employed by the government. So the incentives there are... I don't know, they're just heavily correlated. So of course, there's going to be lots of backlash against that. I think a big part of the hysteria too, in addition to the funding piece is also, and this is my favorite part, is the, the Doge team has access to Americans personal data and private information. And it's like, number one, not only was that information like already in the hands of government officials, but like, and we can get into an argument about who we trust more with that information, literal geniuses who decipher scrolls or some undersecretariat, whatever. But number two, we already have evidence of these government officials misusing that private information, whether it's the FBI

breaking FISA law or the NSA or whatever. But it's only a coup now that some Zoomer with a broccoli haircut has that information. It's crazy. It's ageism is what it is. It is ageism. It's totally backwards yet again, how they think about almost everything. So one thing I was thinking about on a topic Riley of the zoomers and the sort of zoomers in control, the zoomers in the government, uh, who are obviously working for other people. They're literally just employed. Like they're literally just young employees of the people who are obviously working for other people. They're literally just employed. Like they're literally just young employees of the people who are in charge who are telling them what to do.

But AOC obviously apoplectic about this issue. And I somehow like we, the new cycles just move so fast and we just forget things. She doesn't have a problem with young people. She was just defending Luigi Mangione. She was just defending a literal fucking assassin. Okay, like Luigi Mangione is out there saying like, another guy in his mid 20s has a lot of interesting

thoughts just killed someone. Okay. But Luke Faradar, who deciphered these ancient scrolls that were totally covered and calcified in fucking lava is someone who what? Belongs in prison? Are you joking? It's just like the most backward shit ever. Someone quoted the Bible to me. I realized that this Peace of Mind Moral Inversion, what is it, Luke 5 something? I can't remember. I'm not very good at scripture.

But it's basically, it's about people calling good things, bad things, and bad things, good things. It's like this... Oh, yeah. ...an ancient thing, I think probably people have been dealing with forever is when someone has a kind of cancer of the soul, they're turning shit around and they're inverting things and they're framing. It's not just that you're wrong. It's that you're framing something obviously good as

bad and something obviously evil as good. And that is what she's doing. And we need to stop listening to crazy ass people like that, I think. Another thing I was thinking of, Molly, while you were talking about the speed at which. It's like this is the first 100 days of a term are really important. One thing that's really interesting about this Trump

term is that it's not his first term. No one ever talked about the first 100 days of a president's second term. Right? That's something you talk about with someone's first term. And so what he has right now is not really his second term. It is another first term. He had four years off to think about how he would play the game again.

It is as if he's in a video game and he just popped back up at a save point directly before he began the next the next term. And this time around, he's like, OK, I need a team of loyal people in my cabinet, I need to, I can't just go on and govern because the deep state is going to resist me at every turn. So I have to tackle the people inside of the executive branch were refusing to follow my my my orders. And and he's just kind of moving on from there. It's like he's just playing the game again with new knowledge

and he's playing it totally differently. You can even just see that in his choice of vice president, for example, and someone like JD Vance, who just completely has his back versus what's his face, the last one who seemed like someone he brought in as a token regular guy. That's what I literally am forgetting his name. What was his name again?

Mike Pence. That's crazy, dude. I couldn't remember who he was either. Nuts, how we just like memory hold this shit. Wow, different world. What's Mike Pence up to? I don't know. It's the opposite of a crisis, right? I mean, the first time Trump was elected,

he was explicitly elected to drain the swamp and he didn't do it and I hated him for that. But now he's back and he's fucking doing it. This is exactly what he's supposed to do. And Brandon's comment with Exorcism, I mean, these are swamp creatures. Like Molly said, they can't do anything else. I mean, they could probably run a nonprofit, but most of those are NGOs and we're not funding NGOs anymore.

So maybe 1% of them are employable by starting a nonprofit of some kind, but the others, they will go homeless if they don't. So they will do anything. They will do anything to preserve this. We're going to start some commercials on Fox News, the way that you see them, like, you know, for $5 a month, you can feed the starving African child. It's going to be like, for five bucks a month, we've got to feed these bureaucrats and it's going to be a sad, like, I don't know, 45 year old cat woman on the side of the road clinking a tin cup. You love to see it.

Well, on the point of like the unions too, like they're trying to tell people not to take the incentive package to cut your job and walk away. Like, wouldn't you be concerned if someone didn't take that package? Like, I'm thinking from the point of, okay, if you have nine months to get a job and you can't get a job in nine months, why do you have the job you currently have? Yeah, I don't know how this is gonna shake out.

But now, I do have this question of. Because Riley, you just said they're the opposite of Doge. Now I'm thinking of you guys ever watch Captain Planet? No. So are you too young for Captain Planet? I've seen it. Wait, you don't even know what it is. How the fuck do you know what it is?

What is it? That's okay. That is blowing my Riley. Do you know what Captain Planet is? Like vaguely. I have not seen a single episode. No, it's like Power Rangers. Oh my God. Do you understand that? Okay. So, okay. Well, then I think I'm understanding something that this is breaking news. We know why millennials are acting, millennial men act so differently than Zoomer men and women. Captain Planet was a show that we all watched. Anyone, every millennial was watching Captain Planet. Captain Planet was about five young teenagers from five different countries around the world who get Mother, Gaia, mother earth is like, oh, the planet's dying.

We need to like save the planet. And so she gives these magic rings to five different people. And it's earth, fire, wind, water and heart. They invented an element for Monte, which is the worst power. It helps you like mind control animals and shit was so, everyone hated it. Fire was the best. That was Wheeler. He was the American from New animals and shit was so everyone hated it. Fire was the best that was Wheeler. He was the American from New York and he had like a fire rain. And so

that's what like they would have these magic power rings. And when they combined their powers, they would create Captain Planet, they would summon Captain Planet who was like, you know, the as Brandon mentioned, it was very like Power Rangers adjacent. It was like he was like, you know, they combined they then lose their powers and Captain Planet has them and he beats the bad guy. All the bad guys were like, you know, different versions of pollution. One of them was capitalism. I mean, they didn't call her that, but that's like what it was. It was kind of the what? Capitalism is bad.

Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. So in hindsight, this is just obviously extreme crazy degrees of propaganda. Like we were just sitting there ingesting propaganda and it was awesome and we loved it and we played this game and it was just, it was socialist, anti-capitalist, environmentalist propaganda. Some good points were made along the way, but overall it was fucking propaganda.

Anyway, long story, but I'm trying to understand like who in that show, they had sort of like the opposite of the planet tears and they would create, you know, there was one series where it would be like, oh, the greed, whatever, blah, blah, blah, they're like the five evil qualities. And then they created like an evil captain planet. I was just wondering like,

what does the evil Doge look like when this backlash inevitably comes, you know, who are they and what are they up to? Well, it's a, listen, I just went on the Power Rangers monologue and you guys don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about. So we're just gonna move on. Just table that, think about it later.

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but they're responsible for getting it up there in Times Square, which was again, very, very cool. Thank you guys. Thank you for supporting us. Now, before we get into the rest of the show Because the very next thing is the we'll get into golf and naming shit in a second I do want to talk about the Super Bowl. It's not on our list of things to talk about but I have I'm just fucking I'm heated I and here's why I mean because on Instagram on Twitter whatever like we're already on to the next annoying Culture war issue. I'm still getting fed videos about Kendrick Lamar's performance.

And anything that is even remotely, softly critical of the halftime show is just thousands of people in there saying, that's because you're, what is the phrase? You're not like us. You just don't get it. Like, not smart enough to understand the message. There have been just long posts of people breaking apart every single detail of it. I'll tell you one detail I did notice was the fact that Kendrick was wearing bell bottoms. Oh, God.

Did you guys like, I don't care. I'm already tuning out. I'm like pants. They don't they don't fucking fit. Like you're on a natural stage wearing bell bottoms. And then it's like, oh, there are there are guys on stage in different red, white and blue. They're forming an American flag. I'm like, okay, that's cool. Like I've definitely seen that a million times before. And people are like, how fucking brave to have an entire stage of black people. And I'm like, wait, what? And they're like, because Trump's there. I'm like, OK, you are, there are so many assumptions that people are making about what the other guy thinks,

that they're having a dialogue effectively with themselves. Nobody cares if there are black people on stage. That's been like half of the Super Bowl shows over the last, it was like, we had Beyonce, two performances, both fantastic. Rihanna, wasn't The Weeknd, oh, that one was not so good. Snoop Dogg, that entire show, that was like six different rap artists.

That was the best show of all time. It was awesome, like everyone loved these shows. No one was criticizing any one of these shows. And I don't understand, I actually don't understand what is, so just on the question of like racial representation at the Super Bowl, there is no, like you didn't do this, like this has been a part of our culture forever. Black Americans are a part of American culture and especially our music culture and they've always been represented and they've done it in a way

that was appealing to everybody. These were a bunch of songs that weren't hits that were popular among rap fans only. I get that. And I get that rap fans love it. Great. Congratulations. Like, I'm glad you like rap. The average person in the country doesn't know what this is and it wasn't bangers to them.

And like going off about how Drake is a pedophile at the Superbowl, I don't know. Like that is not really what I'm looking for. Wearing an A minor chain. It's weird, man. It's like, why are you bringing this here? I don't care about this. I'm here, people are like eating buffalo wings and trying to have a good time, not trying

to learn about the hidden messages of whatever it is. They're like, oh, well, you're not smart enough to get it. It's more like I refuse to get it. I'm not going to sit here and like be lectured to about anything at the Super Bowl. I am here to watch commercials and to eat fried pierogies, which I made myself, and to kind of laugh at dumb shit for a minute. Like I just don't care. It was not good. It will not be remembered.

They're like, this was iconic. No, it was not. It actually was not iconic. The thing is like, no one's mad. No one is angry about like the subject matter at the Super Bowl. No one cared enough to think about it. And next year they won't think about it at all.

I don't know. What did you guys think about Kendrick? I mean, every human being I know just thought it was shit. You know, that like there was not much more to it. I'll actually defend like the A minor Drake stuff is the only thing that added some intrigue. Like at the party I was at, everyone was wondering like, is he going to say it? Is he going to say it? Then he says A minor and everyone in the crowd says it. So like, I think that was some fan service and it may have been the only enjoyable part of the entire show. So I guess I'll defend him on that.

And yet Serena Williams come out and I guess there's some drama there. I'm no expert, but... I saw her husband on X say that she got in trouble at a game for doing that dance. And so I think the argument was like, well, that was because she was black and if a white person had done it, it wouldn't have happened. And so now here, this is a woman doing the dance. And it's like not actually about, people said it was about Drake.

I think it's actually about racism. I don't know, I don't care. I'm over it. I think it's just a reality distortion field. People are looking at this, Trump is there. They're still seething over Trump's massive victory and just, they have to say something. Because someone told me about this way after.

And I was like, what the fuck are you talking? I watched it. And I'm not like one of those guys that couldn't understand a word that he's saying. He is speaking English guys. Like I heard the songs. And there was no hidden message. I don't know. I think if you asked him, he would say the same thing. Personally. I mean, I felt I felt while I was watching it, I was just like, oh, I'm bored. I wasn't thinking, oh, I'm frustrated by this racist message,

this divisive whatever. Yeah, I was just like, I'm bored. Oh, and there was a Drake pedophile thing. I'm like, that's, I don't know about... Well, I think us as Americans, we have really high degrees of entertainment. And the game sucked, the commercials were horrible. And then you get to the half-time

show and we're used to like seven artists coming out and tons of um like fireworks and commotion and surprises and different songs. Like you know you go to a bar mitzvah and you get like every song under the sun and this was just one category of song. So I think like we just we we weren't feeling it. It was a little blase. And because of that, people are getting creative and coming up with weird narratives to make it interesting. Yeah, I guess it is. The post show is maybe more interesting than the show.

People just, you know, what is it? What do they call your a sideline quarterback or a couch quarterback or? It's some phrase about getting involved in the game. Armchair quarterback. They're armchair quarterbacking the halftime show. And they were trying to make it, like you said, more interesting than it actually was.

Anyway, I fucking hated it. And I hate it more now than I did when I saw it. Like I keep, every day I hate it. This is also how I am about yinbies. I just, I was just dog piled by all these yin-bes I'm gonna connect them here. Yeah, this transition. So there is this there are these yin-bes there was this little yin-bi bitch who did a side by side of these cookie cutter shithole suburb houses and these beautiful Brooklyn brownstones and

was going off about how suburbs are hellholes and everyone should basically be living in these brownstones with like a communal park or whatever. And you see this on follow-on comments, people were like, hey, but what about this or that? And then defending suburbs. And he was like, no, no, no, every kid should be liberated

from these oppressive nightmares. And I was like, oh, this is no. Every kid should be liberated from these oppressive nightmares. And I was like, oh, this is the thing that is a problem with the Yenbis is that they say these reasonable things like we should deregulate housing in cities and allow people to build and get higher density in these places and allow people to do with their own property, whatever they want.

But when you scratch the surface, you realize they really aggressively hate the way a lot of the country lives and wants to live and they want to change that. There's an actual interest in wanting to change that. So I, Yimby's went fucking nuts in my mentions, making up all sorts of crazy shit that I didn't say and fighting with that. And it just, it feels like a Kendrick supporter to me, just like this very tedious kind of like internet.

Some people would say it's autism. It's not autism. You're just annoying. That's all it is. It's just like an annoying person who did not have friends in high school, who now because of the internet is able to frame themselves as much more popular

and thoughtful than they actually are. And yeah, that's it. That's like my high level take is that Kendrick fans are a lot like yimmy kind of people and I don't like any of them, even though I agree with them often and I think that they're just bad at marketing and they got to get their house in order or You know, we're all they're gonna have the it'll be the Nimbus winning until the end of time

I don't know why I keep talking about random shit. We got to talk about the Gulf of America. Oh Molly my take God Okay. Well, welcome to planet America. They did it. They actually did it after over 400 years of a wrongly titled body of water, the Gulf of Mexico. It is now renamed to the Gulf of America on Google Maps and Apple Maps. The White House even designated February 9th as Golf of America Day. On top of that, on top of that, there is a bill to rename Greenland to Red, White, and Blue Land introduced by Georgia rep, Buddy Carter, based. Okay, but this is where things get interesting,

because you'd think that's it, right? Moving on. Well, guess what? Not so fast. Wikipedia editors are still refusing to change the name, and the resistance lives on. There's so much to talk about with the Gulf of America. I think, okay, so we're borderline weird.

We're entering cringe territory, I think, on the right, with like all of the weird, let's name everything. And it was funny for a second, but we, I think we do have to pump the brakes a little bit. However, the Gulf of America thing is, I think it's, let's just say it's interesting for me. I am interested by that. I'm very interested in the Wikipedia thing

and how Donald Trump by executive order, it cannot just change the name of a body of water that is mostly bordered by the United States of America. But Barack Obama could change the name of a mountain, Mount McKinley, to Denali in his term, and it's immediately changed in Wikipedia. Then fast forward to 2024. And I know these are different things you say, like how could we compare apples and oranges? Well, let's compare apples and apples. Let's compare Denali to Denali. So Barack Obama's order goes into effect.

Now it's the Wikipedia page changes. Donald Trump also concurrently while he's renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America is renaming Mount McKinley to Mount, well Denali to back to Mount McKinley. And it's still Denali on the Wikipedia page. It's not even like, it's not even, oh, it's, I think, I think it is Mount McKinley is in the head,

but it's not the name of the article. And so what that says to me is that you have a class of people at Wikipedia who are not really following consistent rules. They are following the same vibes that we have journalists for the AP following, for example, which we can talk about in a minute. But I don't know, what do you guys think about the Gulf

and the Wikipedia refusal to rename it? It expands beyond Wikipedia actually. So when I briefly look into this, not to do another Super Bowl ad, but I use Google Geminis deep research on this one. And I asked it all about this and I said, Hey, can you give me examples of other presidents and executive orders that would have renamed things?

And it just said, no, basically like to give a counter. Like I said, Hey, these are the things about like Trump's executive order. Here are the things that he's changed. I would like to find some counter examples to compare. And it just like said, no, it's no, we can't do election related information, blah, blah, blah, blah. And just wild. Wait, I'm going to find some counter examples to compare and it just like said no It's now we can't do election related information blah blah blah blah and just wild wait. I'm gonna try it right now And it won't do it and then I go to grok and it's like a Lot of grock will do it Venice will do it deep sequel anything else will do it What are what are other examples other than Obama and Trump? Can you name some other examples besides Trump of presidents renaming things?

I'm getting a bunch here. So sorry, I hate to burst your bubble. Both of you. Gemini. Oh Gemini. Google's Gemini disaster. Google's AI is an anti white lunatic. Tell me more Gemini.

It's black Vikings all over again. My exact question. It is, my exact question is, is there a case from the previous admin that would prove this bias? Are there quick renames or articles, personally changed due to Biden's EOs or other pages edited on Wikipedia?

And it just said, I can't help you with that right now. Very interesting. I think the other one that's very interesting though, and the one that I think we're gonna have more of a conversation here, I don't know what you guys all think about this, is what's going on with the White House press room and the AP. So the AP is refusing to use the name Gulf of America, and they're choosing instead to use this antiquated name.

I think that people used to call it Gulf of, what was it again that they used to call it? We don't dead name. So they're refusing to use Gulf of America's actual name. And because of that, the press secretary has kicked them out of the briefing room or they said they're going to, cause they were just in it the other day, but they're alleging they're gonna do this. And the journalists are very upset.

I believe they said this was a violation of their constitutional right. Did anyone catch that? I wish I knew like sort of what the rules were around that. Well, the rules can be anything. If it's a matter of like we choose who covers us, then I guess they have the right to kick the AP out. Right.

Yeah, it's like, it's their... If it's their prerogative, it's their prerogative. Like if it's always been the current administration's prerogative, then and they're not breaking that standard, then I don't see any issue at all, really. Also, like you don't need to report. I mean, like what like good reporting work is done? I mean, I guess there's like gotcha questions, you know, that you can ask in a press conference and like somebody will fumble it and they'll look stupid. But it's not clear to me like what, you know, like earth shattering reporting has come out

of the press room, you know? I really agree. The institution of that is broken, just like the institution of I think the congressional hearing is broken. You know, People are not going there to learn from the guests that they've brought in, which would be interesting to have Congress call people up to discuss something that they don't have any expertise in. I thought about that during the AI hearings, specifically the first ones, where it really felt like the guests should be there to explain to Congress what this is and how it works. The press briefing only exists to get these sound bites. And maybe there's some limited or a lot of benefit potentially for Trump there if because Trump's very good at picking

people who are super hostile to the press. So that just creates a lot of opportunity for him to create these viral clips all over the internet. So Trump's able to message through that kind of by hacking the system. But I don't know that that really serves the people at all. What might serve the people is if there were spokespeople inside of the press room, who or the press team, who could the White House's press team who could teach who could speak to journalists and explain different policy ideas and things like this in an off the record or on background way, just to keep the press kind of informed of what the president is even doing.

But yeah, the room itself feels off to me. I certainly don't care that Trump is kicking the AP out. I certainly don't believe that they have a First Amendment right to be there. I don't know why anyone would even say that or suggest that. I don't think it's a crisis. I don't think it's a problem. I don't think it's a problem I think that they can invite whoever they want and I don't know why the AP

has I Mean, why isn't pirate wires there, right? Like we're a media outlet. What is the difference between the AP and pirate wires? Really? Honestly, like I'm not even being an asshole right now, but it's just like all it is is time and Honestly, like I'm not even being an asshole right now, but it's just like all it is is time and The number of people that you know that has nothing to do with the Constitution and that has nothing to do even with like maybe There are norms there, but they're not norms that we should care about That's not like a norm that matters to me I think if the AP wants to be there They should play by whatever the rules of the White House are and if they're not that could potentially hurt the president, right?

If the president is kicking out every single person who's hostile to him, maybe that has a hit on his reputation. Maybe the American people find that to be really obnoxious and he suffers because of it. Maybe they changed their coverage of him because of it and he suffers because of that. I don't know. There are consequences there, but certainly the norm as it is, I don't know. I'm not really on board with that. But maybe there's a reason. Can you guys think of a steel man for the AP being there? I saw Bridget was a little bit upset about this one. The idea being she introduced this idea on Twitter of like, this is kind of woke to be forced to say things. Like for example, this new made up name, the Gulf of America. Well, people were saying that, like, naming it this is like...

the right version of woke. Like, going this far and having different names for things because the left likes to name different... I don't even know what they name things because I don't really pay attention, but I know they have certain names for things. And so this is like the right version of like, all right, this is our lingo, you know?

And then it feels like a club. When like, all right, this is our lingo, you know, and then it feels like a club. When I first saw this, I was like, slightly worried about like a precedent in the future, like hypothetical Democrat administration, because you could see like, is a conservative journalist going to get banned, like, for not calling a neighborhood in Seattle chas or something like you could see like a hypothetical scenario where that happens. But they wouldn't even need that like that excuse for it. They would just be like, okay, conservative outlets see it like they keep Fox News, I think,

like all these other outlets who are joining the press briefing room now, like war room and things like that, like they're not going to need a justification. They're just going to be like, see ya. And that's going to, they won't need a reason. They're all going to be cut. When the Democrats come back into power, whenever that is, I don't know, 20 years from now, come back into power whenever that is, I don't know, 20 years from now. The new playbook is crazy. And so the amount of executive orders you're going to see, I've been thinking about this one kind of crazy idea, which is because the world, the country seems to change so significantly just with the namings of things, right? Like you change, you change the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.

But then even more importantly was Mount McKinley for me. To change Denali back to Mount McKinley after Obama had changed it to Denali. Do we just start seeing a wave of like a thousand executive orders signed on the first day that are pre, they're like pre-written, ready to go, that just undo everything that was done in the prior four years and reset the new woke order.

So it's just like completely, it is almost like you're entering a new country. Every time it switches from Republican to Democrat, I think that's possible actually. I feel like that's only if like the cultural winds or that the cultural change that's taken place over the past year or so is very fragile and not actually that real. There could be a situation where the left is in retreat and it's in retreat for a long time.

Before 2010, it was in retreat since the late 70s, I think. And we didn't see identity politics for quite a long time during those years. So I would put my bets on extreme identity politics and craziness actually being sort of kneecapped and will be kneecapped for a long time. And in terms of political playbook, maybe people will come in guns blazing in the future. But I don't know that we're going to go back to, you know, one of the first EOs being to rename the Gulf of America, you know, like the Gulf of like Harvey Milk or whatever.

Right. That would be wild if it's not to go back to Mexico. But it's like the Gulf of Gay. And you're just like, wait, what the fuck are we doing here? Yeah, but that would be a Democrat thing to do for sure. like the Gulf of Gay and you're just like, wait, what the fuck are we doing here? Yeah, but that will be a Democrat thing to do for sure. I don't I think that they will, though. I think there'll be more names. I see Denali going back and forth forever.

I see it as like a ping pong ball, because what they're saying is that Denali is what the ancients called it or something. And it's been called Denali forever and ever. I just don't believe that. I think that's kind of who cares. I don't care what Yeah, I write I don't care. I don't care what it was called 1000 years ago. It's Mount McKinley today. This is America and like you're also American like I don't the Wikipedia thing, which is so interesting about that in the context of the Mount McKinley thing is what they are saying now, not when Obama did it. Obviously Obama renames it to Denali

and it's like, well, the president said it, that's that. It was the executive order. It's inside of America. The American president can name this done. That's the precedent. What they're saying now, the only way that you can defend Denali staying up is well, the indigenous people

who have always been a part of this mountain think whatever. I don't like if we were just giving naming, are we giving just the naming rights to the indigenous people of America for everything? What else are they able to name? Can they name the United States Turtle Island? I mean, if they are they really allowed to do that? Is that the president, the president that we're setting here?

That's just, that's just obviously not gonna work That's not tenable. They're not in charge. This is America is a country that exists and it is our country and it is run by Americans who elect their representatives into Congress and and they elect their president and Donald Trump is the president and That is that case closedired of talking about it. Why are we going back? The Wikipedia thing, that one specifically feels like a problem to me, more so than the Gulf of America. I guess there's this question of, I mean,

can the president just name anybody of water? Like, what is he allowed to name really? I mean, can he name? Could he name the Atlantic? Could he rename that something? I mean, that doesn't feel like it's ours, right? It's like belongs to a lot of people. What is the legal basis for the name of the Gulf of Mexico? Is it just in a million contracts? Yeah, I think it's just that it's just been that way.

It's the Spaniards. They named it that. But I mean, no, it's not I don't think that there's a necessarily how is it enforced? Like you can this is one of those things, Solano, we always saying like, yo, sir, like, like you wave a magic wand. Yeah. And it happens. It feels like this is actually one of those things where it's just like you have to, like maybe maybe moving forward contracts, in America, like contracts given to American companies or by American companies that say Gulf of Mexico, actually no longer

legally legally valid because that's not a real place, because the president said so. It just seems fake and gay. The whole thing in every direction. I agree, it's like, it is like a sort of kind of reflexively woke thing. Part of it is, you know, it is hard.

I struggle with this. Greenland, I'm real, I'm serious about Greenland. I'm excited about Greenland as an opportunity for America and building the partnership there. I'm excited about Moon. I'm excited about Cuba. All these things are things I actually believe in. But those are things actually happening, right? This is just renaming something.

Nothing changes. And that, I, while I am, while I find it amusing and I find the reaction to it especially amusing and I find the reaction from Wikipedia editors not only amusing but telling, I think we learn a lot about our information ecosystem by looking at the way they react to things like this and what the rules really are. I think probably just renaming stuff is kind of like,

we should maybe stop doing that. Like I think that that's not the way. Naming things back, I'm all about. So I feel differently about Mount McKinley than I do about the Gulf of America. All of the different forts and shit like that, like yes, no, the woke shit over the last four years were erasing, were resetting.

I can make an argument in favor of that. The Gulf of America thing I thought was a joke. I mean, I really thought that he was just, he was just pissing on the socialist president of Mexico. But then he just, he actually did it and I was like, damn, okay, we are just making up stuff now. Okay, got it. It is a new world. You guys are right. Like this is very much like a version of, didn't they call, didn't they like say that Joan of Arc was trans or something? They did say a Roman emperor was trans recently. Yeah, they definitely changed a few historical figures as gender to trans during

during Biden. Trans people are so like this though. This is how they are within the context of the gay rights movement too. If you want to get insular, they were like this during the, the Stonewall stuff. They just randomly pick out historical figures and like, oh no, she was trans. That was a trans woman of color. It's like, that was just a queer dude who like, called himself a man and dated men and just wore like kind of girly shit. You can't just do that.

You can't just call like, are they going to do that to me one day? Or are they looking back in the surface of their weird revolution, whatever the gender queer wars of 2050 look like as 20, hopefully 2150 look like. And they're like, Oh yeah, he was, he was a, she was trans. She just couldn't say it back then. She just couldn't say it. Right. I mean, I do look, you know what I look, you know who I look like.

You did say it earlier. I think that Kara Swisher and I do look, you know what I look, you know who I look like. You did say it earlier. I think that Kara Swisher and I do have. You get mistaken for her. A similar style and it gives me pause. It does give me, I reflect, I do think she dresses like me. I think it's more like she's dressing like me, but I don't know if that's a good enough. I don't know that I feel good about that.

And I don't know. If you get the glasses, I quit. I stopped wearing, listen, I stopped wearing the glasses because I was like, I can't wear aviators anymore. I look like I'm copying her and it just is like not fair because she's clearly shopping in the men's section and I'm like that's my like You can't take that from me. That's you've taken enough Kara Swisher She's also trying to arrest the dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think she's one of the main lesbians. I would say yeah

What the the main lesbians of America? Yeah, I think she's one of America's foremost lesbians for sure. She's a powerful lesbian. I think she's a great lesbian. I mean, as far as lesbians go, I think that she's like done a lot of good for the lesbian community. Rich. She's a rich lesbian.

She's got kids. She, I gotta get off this topic because I've got, I'm in the danger zone. Because speaking of Kara Swisher, and this is an important one, her and her boy Scott Galloway over the weekend decided that the Doge kids, that's how I call them kids, the Doge men, they're young men, the Doge men should be arrested for what crime, does anyone understand exactly the crimes that they're working for just working for the government constitutional crisis is it for the so it's like a legal access of I mean I'm sure at this point

they have some kind of let's just steal man it and say trespassing okay at the at the order of the President of the United States trespassing in files that belong to the executive branch of the government. The executive told you to do it. Okay. So that's what they're saying. It sounds like I'm making it up because it's so nuts that they're saying that these people should be arrested.

He said it and then they defended it on their follow-on pod. They nutpicked the craziest anti-them commentary and sort of congratulations they were able to get out of some of that. But on the charge of like, you said you wanted these people arrested. They were asking for names. They wanted names of the young people that were working there. That's a crazy thing to ask. It is. It's some scary witch-burning shit. And it's worse than witch-burning,

because again, they're asking for prison, and we've seen this. Like, we've seen what the left did to allies of the Trump administration throughout... the sort of Biden era years. And I think what they're trying to do here is scare people who are smart and competent out of working with the administration.

And that's why they're going after these guys rather than Trump or Elon, because Trump and Elon both, let's be honest, they seem to like the attention first of all, but these people are young and they've never gotten this kind of attention before. I imagine it is nerve wracking for them. There's a huge magnifying glass on them right now. Not only them right now, but their whole past. And

then you have Scott Galloway saying like, listen, you're going to go to jail. We're going to get you to go to fucking jail. He wanted the Congress to sort of rise up and resist this. And I'm thinking this sounds, you know, this sounds a lot like an insurrection. That's what you're talking about. You're talking about some kind of the military getting involved. He said, we have to go gangster here. We need to go gangster here. That's just funny to me though. Like Scott Galloway saying anything about gangster. I'm like, come on, Scott, you've never gone gangster in your life. No one believes that. Why even say that? Why even open yourself up to that? I would never say that.

Like, and I feel like, am I more gangster than Scott Galloway? I don't know. I don't know. Just goes back to my previous point. This is like what you say in the middle of an exorcism. It's like you're just saying really, really crazy shit just off the wall crap. He did say Target and, or either Target or CVS

was a better investment than Amazon within the past decade. So I'll just. Oh, well, he's he famously says the wrong thing about business. That's canon. But in terms of like crazy things about culture and sure, we're going to arrest young government workers for doing their job like that is typically not. I don't think he was known for that. No, it's actually pretty counterintuitive to most of the stuff that he says about young men, because he's always like so pro, like, mental health and men and like...

masculinity and all that kind of stuff. So it's weird that you would be putting down... guys that have a really consequential position in the history of America, and making them sound like criminals. I also, yes, and I also think on the Elon Kara thing that I don't really think Elon is typically going after Kara Swisher. Elon is commenting on other people saying things about her

and by other people, I mean, I sort of mean, like me in Pirate Wars. Like, I have definitely... I've definitely said shit about... I mean, I sort of mean like me in Pirate Wars. Like I have definitely, I've definitely said shit about, I make, I love, I mean, like I said, she's one of my muses. I think that I find- You were just on Megan and you spoke about this. Yeah, I'm a great fan of Kara's. And I've seen him like laugh, cry emoji to our stuff before.

I wonder, I kind of do get the vibe of Kara where like, they're trying really hard not to mention us. You know what I mean? Like they just like, they know they like, they don't exist. We don't know who they are, who are they? Don't know, but I mean, we're the ones, we're landing all the great dunks on Kara. And it's just, it's like, it's too easy.

She just gives them to us and no one else wants them. And I'm like, I'm eating them up all day. I'm like, I'll take every one. But I think that she's, I think this is actually, you know, I spent the first part of this podcast sort of mocking or this segment mocking their egocentrism. I think this is really all about us. I think that we are the center of this whole thing.

I think it's our fault. I think we've been talking, we've been going way too hard on Kara. Elon can't help but see it because, you know, he follows me on X and the shit pops up. He gives it a laugh cry emoji and then Kara's like, Elon's coming after me. He's not coming after you. He's just giving me a little high five and and that still makes me more of an expert on Elon than she is. Saying that she is, she is out there saying that she's an expert for doing an interview once four years ago, sweetie.

She is out there saying that she's an expert for doing an interview once four years ago, sweetie. No, that's not how this works. You don't know anything about him. All you know is what we all know. And I feel like not even that much because you live in a echo chamber where it's you and Scott giggling over what young man you want to arrest.

It's like, that's not reality. You're on a different planet. I think that they are not like, they believe what they're saying. I had dinner with somebody who is just as old as them in their income bracket the other night and he's a liberal and he was livid, like white hot rage about all the stuff going down with Elon and Doge. And I think this is actually like a common point of view among that group of people.

And they totally believe it. So, you know what I'm just stressing? But as you were saying that, you mentioned their age. Do you think, Brandon- Yeah, like 55 to 62 years old, something like that. Yeah, it's a Gen X thing. Yep, exactly. Brandon, do you think that there is like a sort of Gen X,

maybe late boomer coming to terms with the changing of the guard thing happening that is maybe behind some of this a little bit? I don't know. It's hard to say. I mean, the one thing I can say about the person I was at dinner with was that he is super anti-woke too, which is like a really weird combination of things.

Like he gets that the left is crazy, but he's absolutely incensed by Elon and Musk. Um, so I don't know. I mean, yeah, maybe there, maybe there's a sort of fade into a relevance. Like as you get older, you do. You sort of, like this is crass to say, and I don't like to say it, but you know, like you're, you're nearing retirement, you're going to become less of a part of the conversation and yeah, maybe that's something happening. I mean, that looked like the standard age of those people that were singing at the protest.

Oh my God, Matt, pull it up. Which side are you on? Which side are you on? Tell me which side are you on? Which side are you on? Tell me which side are you on? Which side are you on? Bump it. Oh, those guys are even older. Bump it, bump it.

The song slaps. It actually sounds kind of good at the beginning. Yeah, Katie, my assistant, she said, it's a bop. It is a bop rap. There's some beats behind it. First 10 seconds, yeah. Yeah, I wish that for the Democrats, what I wish is for their own sake,

they would just stop. I wish that they would just stop this. Stop. No, keep going. It's not, but it's not, yeah. But for the, okay. We gotta talk about OpenAI, or we're not gonna have time.

Cardick, take it away. Elon recently made an offer to purchase all of OpenAI's assets and IP for $97.4 billion. That is to purchase it from the OpenAI nonprofit. Sam made a counteroffer immediately saying, we'll buy Twitter for $9.74 billion, so just 10 times less than that amount. And then proceeded to go on Bloomberg, like within 48 hours, it feels like, and to say and said about Elon, probably his whole life is from a position

of insecurity. I feel for the guy. I do not think he's a happy person. I've got thoughts, but it's just, it's kind of the danger zone for me because I know them both. And I think a lot of people in Silicon Valley feel this way. No one wants to get into this. We all know people who work for both companies. We all know both men. We're all kind of rooting for both of them, generally speaking. And I did not like that comment of Sam's. But to be fair, that was a leading question. The interviewer asked him if you think he's insecure, and that's what his response was.

Yeah, but I think didn't he also say something? I heard that interview and he said something like, he's not a serious person as well. I believe he was referring to Elon there. And I just don't think it's good for either of them. I think all of this is bad for both of them, but I can't, you know, who can say to someone who feels wronged

that they shouldn't feel wronged? This reminds me of the sex, what's his face, the sex Parker thing a little bit, though Parker was definitely just a hundred percent, he's the one who carries that feud forward. I don't think sex does anything at this point really feeding into that. Whereas Elon and Sam are both now locked in this thing where they keep they keep poking at it and escalating it.

I mean, it's hard because, right, you made that initial investment in open AI. I can see this making more sense and carrying this food forward if he didn't have XAI. Like he has a company now, he has like the biggest like training cluster on earth or whatever. He can just compete. And Alvin did say that during the interview, I was like, I just wish he would compete with me and that would be great.

Well, he's competing, people use it. Oh yeah. People all the time. Yeah. So I'm going to get this a little bit wrong, but they're trying to get out of the nonprofit status and I think they're trying to get investors at an evaluation of something like $40 billion. Yeah, it was definitely a move

that was designed to fuck this up. That's why Elon did it. Right, so like, I don't know. I just feel like Elon will do whatever he can. Yes, there were two takes on Twitter why Musk is doing this. I think just one is right and one is wrong. The wrong one is basically saying that,

you know, Grock isn't that good, Grock sucks, and he needs to buy open AI to have workable AI. I mean, that's just not true. I mean, Chachapiti is better right now, but I think that's stupid. And the other one is basically, this is like a 40 chess move or whatever. He's just trying to raise the price

so that the nonprofit has to buy it at that price. And then some of the other takes are basically saying, because Sam wanted to buy it. Well, Sam wants to buy it from the nonprofit to move it into a for-profit benefit company. And he was suggesting that we'll give 25% of the company for $40 billion. So this already over doubles the price or the fair market value. It is a nonprofit, so they can kind of ignore this. It's just more kind of like,

what's like more fuel for the legal fire that's ensuing and all the lawsuits that Elon has opened that this offer is out there. And other people have said that by Sam not taking this, that makes him seem like a nonprofit guy. I don't wanna do the fiduciary duty because this isn't to make money But then the opposite is it's funny because you're not taking it to make it a for-profit Corporation to take away a lot of money. It's hard. I don't on the legal side

I don't know how he can say it's not worth that now because he's turning it down So he is clearly saying it's worth More than that and also that shouldn't be an issue if he only has the money that's fine that's crap, but in the grand scale of things and with Masayoshi-san and everything, like hundreds of billions of dollars coming in, I mean, what's an extra 50 billion dollars? I do think I mean, yeah, Elon sort of opens himself up to this with all this with legal action specifically.

And there is only so much a person can take before they snap. I think that probably the genesis of this entire fight, I was not there. I don't have a front row seat to that. So I can't give any insight. But from, you know, at this point, it's just like, I don't know, I don't like any people, every time they say a nasty comment, and people are clapping, like, yeah, you got to blah, blah, blah. These are both people who have done a lot of interesting, exciting things and

good things for the world. And I don't like seeing them being torn down. It's, I don't like a, I don't like a tech on tech fight. I like a tech on media fight. I like a tech on government fight. A tech on tech fight feels like that's not the mission. This is like a serious fight too. It's like a serious battle that,

that does have some weight and like national interest. It's not the same battle as the Zuck versus Elon MMA fight. That was a sign of the times, I would say. But I think honestly with all of this and how exhausting it is, Sam's doing pretty well. I mean, it's kind of brutal going up against Elon. Like everyone says, don't go and try to compete against Elon.

And he's holding up pretty well. And he's not even doing it for money. He's doing it because he loves it. And health insurance. Do you think it would be different if Sam, like they were just like very upfront, like this is going to change the world. It's going to be very lucrative. I want it to be a for-profit so I can raise a ton of money and just

destroy or crush or whatever verb you want to use. Like, do you think it was just like very transparently, not kind of wrapped in language, like this is a public benefit corporation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, non-profit. He just said like, yeah, that was a stupid idea. We should have never been a non-profit. I just want to raise money for a little company. Right. Well, I think that he'd be in a very different place. His persona would be sort of unambiguously. He'd be this like unambiguous, awesome person right now in tech culture. Whereas at the moment, I think there's like an asterisk next to his name. And it has to do with all this kind of stuff.

I think that Elon would have gone after him relentlessly no matter what. And and so like when it's like the scam Altman stuff doesn't really land with me because I mean, Elon would have had a problem with Sam. No matter I mean, again, because he feels like Sam changed the game, I guess is, is it but I don't I just don't know the truth. It's so complicated with with those guys. it's the lore is so deep that it just feels kind of like a feud, you know?

Like these things you almost forget where it began, but I do know that he's not gonna stop. And I also think that maybe it doesn't matter because there's like these LLMs are being commodified. You're seeing them everywhere. Do you think Allman could do pull off a Zuck-like rebrand at any point?

Because people hated Zuck. I mean, it was pretty bad. He was like lame and hated. And now he's like awesome. Do people really hate Sam though? I think some people seem to really hate Sam. I think a lot of people like Sam a lot, really love Sam. I think he's a very polarizing person right now.

And I think a lot of it has to do with the Elon stuff. And a lot of it has to do with the switch from nonprofit to for-profit. And a lot of it has to just do with, he's a very powerful person. People are scared of AI and power and they're like, where's it going to go? And so you put that on someone and he's the person they're putting it on. And a lot of serious engineers hate him because they went from open to closed.

There's all sorts of people for serious reasons not to like him or to obviously like him. It depends on what you feel about AI like him or to obviously like him. It depends on what you feel about AI and people have just very, very strong feelings about the way that this should be done. Including Ayla, for example, who just said that she's already dead. We're dead. You're all dead. Like this is ending. She's not even planning for... This is... I actually want to have... We're going to have Ayla on the pod and I want to talk about this specifically. We'll talk about AI safety with her. I think it'll be have, we're gonna have Ayla on the pod. And I want to talk about this specifically.

We'll talk about AI safety with her. I think it'll be a wild conversation. I just saw her on the whatever pod. She's just fucking wrecking these people who were really not prepared to talk to us. I mean, Ayla is a brilliant prostitute. And it's like they're bringing her on to be like a dumb prostitute.

And she's like, no, I'm a prostitute, but I am smarter than everybody in this room. And I'm now going to dismantle you. It was awesome. It was awkward. It was mostly awkward, but that works in Ailas' favor. Ailas are happy and awkward. She doesn't mind awkward.

They don't like awkward. That was the first time I watched that podcast. And I was surprised about how boring the guys were. From the clips, I thought this must be like such a funny podcast or at least. I would say it's funny. I find it, I don't wanna like clutch my pearls over here, but I find myself often like offended

at the way they treat women on that show. I think it's like a gross, I think I find it really gross and unfair. And I think it was really brilliant that Aila went on. It's like such a smart move for her. And then she posted her only fans link, which is blowing up. And I mean, Godspeed. I mean, this is just, Aila's going to Aila and they should have known that though. You got to do research.

You don't bring Aila on the pod to dismantle you if it's like an anti anyway, whole other topic. Last thoughts before we go. It could be, I mean, we have a wide range of things we can last thoughts on everything from Karis, which was style to Aayla's gangbang. We could talk about chat GPT. We could talk about the Wikipedia of renaming situation. We can talk about ad quick.

Love those guys. Thank you again. We could talk about AdQuick. Love those guys. Thank you again. We could talk about the constitutional crisis, anything. Anything. I'm gonna go for the limestone mine, restoring all retirement paperwork. Honestly guys, this is kind of sick. I think this is really cool.

It's so inefficient, but wow. Think about it. What other places are we storing things? Things that might be more important. It really makes you think. Yeah, I like the limestone mine. I'm reluctant to get rid of it even. I'm like, does it serve a purpose? There might be a reason. We can't just burn all these things down. It's been around for so long. There had to someone that's such a weird rule that I'm all like, oh, just get rid of it. My question is just why was it put in place?

It's in a mine, so you specifically cannot burn it down. It's not the government, by the way. It's a contractor of the government. Have you guys have you seen the picture of the employees on tricycles down there? And is that real? It's probably real. I saw a photo with like a line going around the different shells and there's like an employee and she's smiling and like she's on

like a little tricycle and that's how she gets around from shelf to shelf. It didn't look AI generated but I don't know if it's real but it was not AI generated. Well guys it's been real. I will do a little digging and we'll maybe revisit the limestone mine and tricycle situation next week. I'll be in London, it'll be later there but I will be on the pod. Might not be live chatting today, I'll be in London. It'll be later there, but I will be on the pod. Might not be live chatting with you today. I'll see. Adios. Don't break your nose on a water bottle while you're out there. I will try my best. What is that a reference to? The bottle caps.

The bottle caps. You know how they're like attached to save the environment. Oh yes. I'm actually more worried about tweeting and going to prison for it. That's true. I don't know what the rules are. And I'm sort of like, is this a trap? Am I about to become a political prisoner? I might. But it would be, at first I was like,

oh, I shouldn't say anything on Twitter while I'm there. And then I thought, this would be so good for subscriptions. I sacrifice yourself. I got to get arrested. That's real journalism. I got to get arrested for telling the truth. That's what I'm going to. I gotta get arrested for telling the truth. That's what I'm going to. I'm going there to tell the truth to these people.

I was like on this, cause it's sort of like a, I'm going to a conference a little bit. I think it's like a respectable but centrist sort of conference, a little bit edgy. And I was like, oh, so like we're talking about Islam, right? And they were like, oh no, no, no, no, no, there are no plans for that. I was like, oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

We don't need to talk about that. It was like, that's the vibe. So I don't actually know what to expect. We'll see. I'll report next week live from London, not live, but from London later.